Babies, Boats and Big... (S3 E8 "The Big Time")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: "Babies, Boats and Big..." (S3 E8 "The Big Time")

Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Easton (Producer)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Kristin Davis (Charlotte York from Sex and the City) is joined by producer Easton to revisit and dissect the Season 3 classic, "The Big Time." The duo relives memorable moments on set, reflects on storylines involving boats, babies, and timing in relationships, and dives into how the show’s themes continue to resonate in 2025. The commentary blends behind-the-scenes tidbits, character analysis, and personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlotte’s Boat Scene & Trey's Introduction

[03:44 – 06:55]

• Kristin recalls the vivid experience filming on the Hudson River boat: "The boat I definitely remember because it was very beautiful, very cold. There's two scenes on the boat ... I couldn't stop shivering. Level cold." (Kristin, 03:44)
• She fondly recounts the technical challenges: matching backgrounds, turning the boat around, and hiding microphones in impractical places due to delicate costumes.
• Trey MacDougal (Kyle MacLachlan)'s second episode: Kristin and Easton discuss how the show initially intended for Trey to be "not interesting," but Kyle's performance made him instantly captivating.
  • "This is the episode where you really see clearly that the original idea for Trey was that he was not interesting." (Kristin, 05:13)
• Kristin expresses delight at the show keeping Kyle for more seasons because of his dreamy, nuanced portrayal.

2. Long-Arc Storytelling & Rewatching the Show

[06:55 – 08:21]

• Both participants appreciate the evolution TV storytelling has undergone since the late ‘90s, with premium cable providing space for character development and long arcs.
• Kristin shares a fan encounter—a woman in her 30s just starting the series—highlighting its enduring relevance.
• On binge-watching: “If you're on Netflix or on HBO Max, it just goes into the next episode. It's very hard to turn it off.” (Kristin, 08:18)

3. Carrie, Aiden, and Big: The Love Triangle’s Tension

[08:50 – 36:19]

• Carrie’s Dilemma:
  • Kristin admires Sarah Jessica Parker’s ability to convey subtle torment and emotion, particularly when Big calls Carrie as Aiden briefly steps out.
    • "Sarah Jessica is just so fucking good... the subtlety, the torn element..." (Kristin, 08:50)
  • They discuss John Corbett's (Aiden) baby-faced charm, his unique sense of style, and comedic details (e.g., Aiden's Ouija board as set dressing).
• Big’s Emotional Outburst:
  • Big's melodrama after seeing Carrie with Aiden is called out as immature:
    • “I remember acting like this when I was like, 17.” (Easton, 30:10)
    • “That's like, I don't like that. Like, I wouldn't want someone to call me and be like, I'm on your corner.” (Kristin, 34:32)
• Timing in Relationships:
  • The segment closes by underlining timing’s importance in love, as Carrie reflects, “This is exactly what I wanted to hear a year ago.”
  • Kristin’s real-life advice: “One of the biggest things that I didn't understand was the timing of, like, where people are in life and how that is going to relate to a relationship. I felt like if the feeling is strong enough, that is going to dictate what someone is ready for. But I do not think that's true now.” (Kristin, 42:54)

4. Steve and Miranda: Babies, Readiness, and Gender Roles

[09:51 – 13:36]

• Steve Wants a Baby:
  • Kristin and Easton debate Steve's yearning for a child, with Easton critiquing Steve’s “gee whiz” attitude and lack of forethought beyond the fun parts of parenting. Easton notes, "I see this from men a lot that want a baby and do not think anything beyond...they don't think about everything else that comes with it" (11:12).
  • Kristin empathizes: “If that other person is having that baby feeling ... you really have to honor it as the other person. Now, that might mean saying ... I'm just not there.”
• Miranda’s Focus:
  • Miranda is depicted as ambitious and realistic, being called a "mean mommy" (a term the cast still jokes about), echoing pressures women face regarding parenting expectations.
    • “I mean, the whole mean mommy thing... We all get it. We've all been there.” (Kristin, 13:05)

5. Production & Set Details

[19:01 – 23:30]

• Viewers learn about the realities of filming in NYC circa 2000. Green screens were too expensive and unreliable; background continuity was solved the hard way.
• Technical stories: body mics hidden in uncomfortable places, ADR (dubbing over lines in post-production) was routine, and there are fun debates about which apartments and hallways on the show were sets or real locations.
• Fashion is frequently discussed, including how John Corbett had a say in his wardrobe and sartorial Easter eggs in set design (Aiden’s Ouija board).

6. Visual Storytelling and Directing Choices

[24:32 – 26:55]

• Kristin admires director Allison Anders' use of "masters" (wide shots), capturing the city’s feel and the characters’ full outfits—a hallmark of Sex and the City's visual identity.
• Sarah Jessica Parker appreciated these shots for their fashion and atmospheric effect.

7. Changing Views on Marriage and Gender Expectations

[43:13 – 45:39]

• Kristin reflects on how the background noise of the show was based on "all women want to get married," which sounds quaint or outdated from a 2025 perspective.
  • “The background of the conversation in the year 2000 ... was that all women want to get married. That was the background, Right. That's where we're coming from. So then, like, that's why Samantha is like an outlier.” (Kristin, 44:28)
• She notes how in recent years, increasing numbers of women—especially over 40—choose fulfillment on their own terms, marking a shift from the societal assumptions embedded in early seasons.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“This is the episode where you really see clearly that the original idea for Trey was that he was not interesting.”
— Kristin Davis (05:13)

“Sarah Jessica is just so fucking good... the subtlety, the torn element, you know...”
— Kristin Davis (08:50)

“I see this from men a lot that want a baby and do not think anything beyond the, like, ‘ah, gee whiz, it's gonna be great to throw up, play catch with my kid, won't it?’ and, like, they don't think about everything else that comes with it.”
— Easton (11:12)

“One of the biggest things that I didn't understand was the timing of, like, where people are in life and how that is going to relate to a relationship. I felt like if the feeling is strong enough, that is going to dictate what someone is ready for. But I do not think that's true now.”
— Kristin Davis (42:54)

“The background of the conversation in the year 2000 and 1999 was that all women want to get married. That was the background, Right. That's where we're coming from.... Whereas now in 2025, the statistics of the unmarried women are different.”
— Kristin Davis (44:28)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:44] – Kristin recalls filming the boat scene
• [05:13] – Discussion about first impressions of Trey MacDougal
• [08:18] – On binge-watching and new fans discovering the show
• [09:32 – 13:36] – Steve, Miranda, baby fever, and gender roles
• [17:43 – 36:19] – Carrie, Aiden, and Big’s fraught love triangle, including voicemail reveal
• [24:32] – Discussion of camera work and the use of wide shots
• [34:32] – Real talk about Big’s boundary-pushing “I’m on your corner” gesture
• [42:54] – Kristin’s lesson about timing in love and relationships
• [44:28] – Shifting cultural narratives about marriage and independence

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Episode Takeaways

• Behind-the-Scenes Details: Fans get a treat with colorful anecdotes about set logistics, costume quirks, and the realities of TV production in 2000.
• Relationships & Timing: The episode sharply analyzes how timing can be as crucial as feelings in romance—and how that realization grows with maturity.
• Changing Perspectives: Revisiting the show through modern eyes highlights evolving attitudes toward gender, marriage, and independence, showing why Sex and the City remains relevant.
• Cast Chemistry: The warmth and insight of Kristin and Easton showcase the close personal and professional bonds behind the show’s magic.

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For more insights, join Kristin and Easton in the next episode as they continue dissecting what it means to be a Charlotte, Miranda, Carrie, or Samantha in the modern era.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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Oh My goodness, you guys. We have the most special guest. It's the return of Easton, our producer.

[Easton (Producer)]

This is such a thrill. Thank you so much for having me back, Kristen.

[Kristen Davis]

I love having you back. And for this particular episode especially, it's called the Big time. It aired July 30, 2000. It is directed by Alison Anders and written by Jenny Bakes. And I'm so excited to have a male perspective.

Okay.

[Easton (Producer)]

I'm excited to share.

[Kristen Davis]

Got some big topics in this one. Big topics. Okay. So when I think of this episode, I think of Charlotte's storyline involving the boat. Like, you know, how there's some things that I remember really clearly, you know, about filming, and some things I have no memory of at all. The boat I definitely remember because it was very beautiful, very cold. There's two scenes on the boat. One I'm not wearing a wrap, and the other, I have this, like, pashmina wrapped around me. I think I couldn't stop shivering. Level cold. I'm always cold, as you know. But it was gorgeous. But another situation, like the Staten Island Ferry, this was like our boat season, for some reason. We start season three with the Staten island ferry. Now we're on this, like, it's like a party boat, you know?

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah. Like a small yacht or something.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it was pretty nice. I remember being pretty nice. And we also had to do the thing we did on the Staten island ferry, which was turn the boat around so that the background matched.

[Easton (Producer)]

Oh, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Because you're getting the city on one side and New Jersey on the other. We were in the Hudson river, so. So you couldn't just keep sailing down the river. Right. You had to turn back around so that it matched for each take.

Right.

And, you know, it's such a pain, but it was really pretty fun. Except that it was really cold. But I remember it being really fun. And I remember it being fun partly because Kyle at that point was. This was his second episode. Weird that he came in in the middle because we would have, you know, a director would do two at a time.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. So I guess he came in in the middle and did one with Allison. No, sorry. One with Nicole, one with Allison. Anyway, he was brand new. Right. And this is the episode where you really see clearly that the original idea for Trey was that he was not interesting.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

Because he's telling the story of how we met. He's telling it so adorably. Right. And obviously, I as Charlotte and like, just hanging on every word, and I think it's so cute and funny and Carrie's voiceover is telling us that she was. Already remembers all the details because she's heard it so many times. So that this. I think we abandoned this after this episode because he's Kyle and you just can't continue down this road of that. He's not that interesting and exciting.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah. Even when he's delivering this like, boring story, he's got that, you know, that voice and he's just, I mean the.

[Kristen Davis]

Voice and the kind of delivery. Like he's got a very interesting off kilter delivery which I think obviously makes so much sense. Sense for, you know, Twin Pine, Twin Peaks in the Pines, whatever. Twin Peaks. But also for all the. He just brings that with him, you know, even though obviously very, very different character. But it works so perfectly also. Which is also, I think for me, I just remember being so excited that we got him. Right. And thinking like, well, wait, we can't. We can't have him for just like three or five or whatever it was supposed to be. Right. Because he's him and he's like so dreamy and. And so good and so nice.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, it's just rare, you know, it's just pretty rare, I have to say. So obviously everyone agreed with me and therefore we have two seasons pretty much. I mean, I can't remember exactly how many, but we have him definitely for. For third season and fourth season.

[Easton (Producer)]

I mean, when I look back at the breadth of Sex and the City, I always think like with Charlotte it's Harry and Trey. Like those are the. You know.

[Kristen Davis]

Of course.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah. So like such a major.

[Kristen Davis]

There are unfortunately a lot of other guys in between there, but we'll just. They don't even really deserve a mention. I. But you know, the thing that I do love about her, and this is what I love about television as a viewer. I love a long arc.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, that's the joy of television in my mind. It's not what we grew up on though. You know, when we grew up it was like sitcoms and soap operas, I guess. Soap operas is a long arc, but in a different way. Right. But like that's the joy of, you know, hbo, that they would let you just lean in to things that weren't clear, you know, Obviously. Also we have such a big episode with Carrie and Aiden and big again, like, it's so good when you watch it back. And you know, most of the things that people say to me. I did just meet a lady in Starbucks, she was 31, so I don't know what I should call it.

A Girl. A woman.

A woman. A woman in Starbucks. And she told me she had just started watching.

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[Kristen Davis]

The first time just now. And she said, yes, it's really. It resonates. I'm like, good. Yes. I said, I'm really jealous. It's really fun to watch the first time. She was very sweet. I almost told her to listen to the podcast, but I didn't. But anyway, maybe she'll find us.

[Easton (Producer)]

How fun to just start watching an episode, then see Charlotte. I know.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, I was talking to her dog. She had a really cute Datsun. I was talking to her dog for a little bit before she figured it out. It was pretty funny. But also, it's just so rare. It's so rare and kind of wonderful that people would just now be finding it. But one of the things that I thought about when one of the things people tell me and that I thought about when I was rewatching this episode was, you know how they just. If you're on Netflix or on hbo, Max, it just goes into the next episode. It's very hard to turn it off.

[Easton (Producer)]

It is. I fell into that trap when I.

[Kristen Davis]

Was watching this episode last night.

[Easton (Producer)]

That's me.

[Kristen Davis]

And I should totally know what is gonna happen. But A, I don't remember. And B, you don't really care if you know what's gonna happen. You just don't wanna stop. You don't wanna stop. And I think a lot of that, you know, and it's all of us. I know, but, like, Sarah Jessica is just so fucking good. Like, it is crazy to me. Like, I know her, I love her. Obviously, every time she won an award, I was like the biggest clapper, you know? Like, I always want her to win, and I think she deserves everything. But, like, even now, I look back and I'm like, the subtlety, the torn element, you know, when Big. Cause this is the episode where Big calls her when Aiden goes out to get a coffee filter.

[Easton (Producer)]

What?

[Kristen Davis]

I had forgotten all of this, right? Like, it's such a trip. But also, John with his little baby face is just. I mean, oh, my God. And Chris. Because, you know, in the beginning, we're so, so tortured. I felt as an audience, and people are gonna text me and be like, are you talking about the show? Like, it's real. And I'm like, yes. Okay. I'm sucked in, you guys.

[Easton (Producer)]

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[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Now it's real to me. I'm now understanding because all the whole time that I wasn't rewatching, people would talk to me And I'd be like, you know. You know, it's. You know, it's fake, people right now. I totally understand. It seems so real. It seems so real because it's so, so well done. Like, our writers did such a great job in the writing, and I mean, all of us, too. But, like, you have to start with the writing in these type situations, I think, you know, like, it's key. So anyway, she's just so good. And then when Chris. Because we are. I felt so tortured by him in the first season. Like, he's so withholding on and on and on. And then one of her things, and this is the big theme of the episode that I need your male perspective on, is timing, which I think is a really good question, really interesting question about people and relationships and what you're ready for and what you're not ready for and how you can't really change that. Sometimes, you know, it's a hard thing to be like, well, this person that I'm with needs a baby. Like in the Steven Miranda situation, Steve wants a baby. And she's like, well, you're insane. And I totally see her point. Like, we were talking about this before we started recording. Like, it does totally change your life. And on the other hand, I feel really bad for Steve.

[Easton (Producer)]

I do. But I am. I had a hard time with Steve in this episode.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, he did seem like a child.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes. And I see this from men a lot that want a baby and do not think anything beyond the, like, ah, gee whiz, it's gonna be great to throw up, play catch with my kid, won't it? And, like, they don't think about everything else that comes with it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton (Producer)]

And you know who that falls on.

[Kristen Davis]

I do, Mom. I certainly do know. I certainly do know. I mean, I'm a single parent, as you know. But, I mean, it is. I watch all my girlfriends go through this, too. I mean, it's like, in some ways, I have it better because I don't have anybody to be mad at. You know what I'm saying? Which is great. I mean, not counting Hannah's husband.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But, you know, I feel for both of them that the reason that I feel for Steve is because I feel like when you're in a relationship with a person, man or woman, if that other person is having that baby feeling, you know, that it's like a calling, you know, in my mind.

[Easton (Producer)]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

You really have to honor it as the other person. Now, that might mean saying to them, I'm so sorry, but I'm Just not there. Right? Male or female, sometimes that happens. Like, Miranda's definitely not there. Of course we know what's going to happen. But let's just go with this episode, right? She's not there. She's trying to be a partner at her job. She's very focused. She also feels like he's a child. And she's not wrong.

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[Kristen Davis]

She is not wrong at all. But on the other hand, I feel like he's kind of. He's so open, you know, he's so open. His heart is so open. And he puts up with her being kind of mean to him, you know, and then he's like, we just, you know, it would be so great to have a baby. And, like, there's a part of me where I'm just like, oh, he's so pure. You know what I mean? But I can also see her point. Very much so. And of course, we do know what does happen. But I have to say, because anyone who's seen the whole show, Steve is a great dad.

[Easton (Producer)]

He is.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. He grows. Yes, he grows as a person for sure. But when you see him watching that Scooby Doo, oh, my goodness. I'm like, man, Miranda.

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[Kristen Davis]

You gotta. I mean, I get it. I mean, the whole mean mommy thing. And I mean, we all do still refer to mean mommy. Like, I'll be like, if we were working, you know, this past show and my kids were with us or whatever, I'd just be like, I was such a mean mommy. I was a mean mommy this morning. Like, we still. It's like a lingo, you know what I mean? Because we all get it. We've all been there. We've all been there.

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Okay, let's. Let's talk about Carrie's storyline.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, so they start it's her and Baby Face Aiden, which I think is just what we should call it Because Baby Face Aiden, I mean, it's like, almost like a different person. It's super interesting. Like, really adorable.

[Easton (Producer)]

Very adorable.

[Kristen Davis]

So adorable. And like. Like, when I'm jumping around, but when he has his dog. I also love that all these dogs are showing up now, and I'm about to get my dog, too. Like, I don't know what came over our writers. They were just like, let's everyone get dogs. But I love it, of course. So Aiden's got his dog, and Steve gets his dog. In this episode, Charlotte doesn't have her dog yet, but she's. She's coming. But when he. Carrie, tells him that she has to go on the boat party.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And he's out there by himself with the dog, and he's just like, oh, shucks. Like, he's adorable.

[Easton (Producer)]

That outfit he's wearing at that moment, he looks. He just stepped out of Studio 54.

[Kristen Davis]

He does.

[Easton (Producer)]

But, yeah, he's got this, like, purple kind of shirt that's, like, unbuttoned a little bit. He's like, cool glasses. It's very groovy in that. In that scene.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, John's pretty groovy.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I would have to ask Molly who put what on him. Him at that point. I do know, as I think I've said already, that John has a lot of say in his wardrobe.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And John has a very unique, you know, sense of style.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah. I think it matches his vibe. You know?

[Kristen Davis]

It does. It definitely matches his vibe. He's a very unique person.

[Easton (Producer)]

And one other thing I want to point out about Aiden's room that I. Watching this. He has a Ouija board at the foot of his bed that, like, I don't know if he's using it as a counter for. Because there's, like, a bowl of cereal on top. It's. He has a Ouija board sitting down there. I'm like, what's Aiden doing in the.

[Kristen Davis]

Middle of the night?

[Easton (Producer)]

Is he summoning spirits who just casually has a Ouija board sitting around their apartment?

[Kristen Davis]

I can't believe you noticed that. That is so funny. I didn't even notice. But I'm sure John Corbett was like, yes, yes. Leave the Ouija board.

[Easton (Producer)]

The Ouija board stays.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, who in set deck came up with. That would be my question for that. And I never, ever noticed. But I did notice that we see Charlotte's door and hallway. So I'm getting more apartment. It's a good thing, you know, I've moved away from the two flats that were my bedroom. Even though previously, we had that. The time where Samantha sleeps with my doorman. And we had a hallway with a bookcase in it.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

But that was a real apartment. That wasn't a set, and we never see it again. Cause I was like, wait, what is that? Like, what is that? I mean, luckily, it was white, right? So it wasn't, like, not true to Charlotte, But I was like, I've never seen that hallway. And then also, when I am the man and I take the picture, I hang it in a hallway.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

But I was like, I don't. I don't know what that hallway is either. Where's that hallway? But maybe they got. They put my white flat in a hallway position. I don't know. But this was an actual. I feel like a set of a apartment door. I don't think we were on location.

[Easton (Producer)]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

I think I'm trying to figure that out.

[Easton (Producer)]

When I'm watching this, I'm like, okay, which. This was a set. What was real? I thought the first second. I'm sorry. This is so naive of me. I thought. When I was watching the boat, I was like, are they actually. Because I know it wasn't a. The green screens were good at that point.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no, no. They were horrible. They were horrible.

[Easton (Producer)]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

No, this is like the year 2000.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So we could never afford that. It was, like, so expensive to use a green screen or to do anything in post. Like, when they would say, like, oh, we have to do it in post, that meant everyone was having a breakdown. You know what I'm saying? Like, it. Like, the digital of it all had not happened. Had not made it to the screen, really.

[Easton (Producer)]

You know, And I also thought for a second that the boat was maybe just docked. But then I saw that I could see the depth. I could see the.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no, we're out there. We're out there, and that wind is blowing. You can see my hair.

[Easton (Producer)]

That was. My next question is, how much ADR did you have to do for that?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I might have had to do the whole thing. I mean, we are always body mic'd. Now, you might ask, where would we put those body mics?

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[Kristen Davis]

It is a big challenge. Okay? Big challenge. And I'm wearing that little chiffon Dolce and Gabbana dress. I can tell you for sure that mic is in a place that we cannot discuss. That mic is hidden in a place that's super uncomfortable, and that involves being in a dressing room to do, which is not normal for sets. Like, the sound guys want to come up and put the mic on you on set. That's what they like. But we just teach our guys, like just put the mic and the mic pack in my dressing room. I know how to turn it on. Let us handle it. Because it's going to be in some clothing in a way that you can't get to. You know what I mean? That's just how it was. I mean, and back then the mic packs were like decently large, so it was uncomfortable. They're much smaller now, thank God. Thank God. It's a whole drama. But they never would trust like a boom. I mean we would have a boom there because you're always trying to get double. And then we did do a fair amount of adr, but when I watched the scene with Kyle, I didn't feel like. I didn't feel like it was adr, but maybe that's just how good we are.

I'm not sure.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah, the performance felt like it was in the moment, but it sounded really good. So I was like, God, they're on that. I know. They're on a windy boat.

[Kristen Davis]

I know I would because you can see my hair is going crazy. Because I was gonna say, I wonder if they put up a windscreen because. Cause sometimes they'll put up like just off camera like a windscreen that someone's holding, like, oh, you know. But my hair is obviously very much wind blown and Kyle's is like slightly windblown but not as much as mine because I'm on the edge, you know, the railing of the boat. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I need to watch it now again to tell you. Easton, I'm not sure, but I think it's the body mic. I mean if we looped it.

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[Kristen Davis]

We did really well. Yeah, let's put it that way. But I mean, I do feel like there was looping for every episode. I'd say at that point, like we would go in and we knew our guys and we, you know, it was like part of it. You know what I'm saying?

[Easton (Producer)]

It's part of the process.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally, totally. Okay, so Carrie, we start in bed with the baby faced Aiden and they're like, they're never leaving, they've got food. She says, when do you think they're gonna send someone to get us? And he's like, maybe when spring thaw comes or something. Adorable. It's very adorable. So it's obviously going very, very well. Then she goes, she goes out in this crazy outfit with these lavender tights up to her Waist, which I feel like someone just dressed as Halloween in. Did you see that, Hannah? Oh, it was on our social. I think that someone wore it for Halloween. That particular outfit. It's like shorts or a skirt. It's a skirt over some purple tights with high, high heels and some kind of a midriff bearing situation. I don't know, it's adorable. It's not one that I remember, but I do need to ask Molly about it because it's really funny and good. It's like a six year old might dress.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes. And I love the, the wide shot of her, like exasperated, stomping away from the dry cleaner.

[Kristen Davis]

The outfit looks pretty good. It's pretty good. And the funny thing, I think when I watch those moments, Sarah is so physical. Her, her, her comedic timing and her physicality is so good. And over time I feel like. I feel. I don't know if I should say this, but I feel like she didn't want to do that as much or whatever. But back in the day she was so free with it, you know, and it's really good because that shot across the street, there's a lot of. What I love about Alicent's direction. This particular episode especially, there's a lot of two shots and a lot of masters, as we would call them, that they just keep in the master for a decent amount of time. Like there's a whole scene with Carrie and Big when they first bump into each other in the boat. I think they're in the master for a while because this guy kind of jostles them and they fall into each other. But then we cut into her face and you could just see her looking at him with such powerful eyes. And then when we go back and we see them again on the boat, there's a master for kind of a bit of time just to see their body language. It's so good. And I remember really wanting to do that a lot more. And then someone, somewhere, possibly HBO people, wanted to cut into close ups. But I remember Sarah Jessica used to always say, you know, we need the distance shot so that you can see the whole outfit and the shoes and really get a feeling of the city.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes, yes. And to me as a viewer, those shots feel. I feel like I'm there at the party. I feel like I'm part of this, you know, as opposed to just watching TV shows.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Easton (Producer)]

Like if you were there at the.

[Kristen Davis]

Party and you just looked over like you're a person. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. That does feel like that I totally felt that way too. And I was there, but I still totally felt that way. So we're with Aiden. We're with Aiden and Carrie, and they're in bed and they're not gonna get out and they're gonna have to send people. Then she's gonna go to this party for a magazine called Gab, which obviously made up. Right. Like, what on earth? And then she drops some very funny names when they're on that boat, but she's gonna go to the magazine party. And then Aiden basically says, like, I don't wanna go, which is adorable and odd a little bit, but obviously we need to see, so it's fine. Then she tries to get her clothes from the dry cleaner in the funny outfit. She tries twice and they're like, no. Which I also feel the dry cleaners in New York City for some reason are never open. And it makes no sense. Like, everything is supposed to be open, just like we say in the show. I've had this experience myself. You walk by in the middle of the day, the dry cleaner's closed.

Like, why?

Why? It's odd. Anyway, I feel. Feel what Carrie's going through. So then we're at the boat and for some reason Natasha is not there, which he never explains. And she never really presses, which is also interesting. But you also kind of get the feeling that he came to see her.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Which she feels. But then she doesn't know because she's all, like, trying to be appropriate and whatnot. Of course, you know, slightly aloof. And she walks away from him, which I thought was so great. Right. And he's very, you know, charming, basically, in his way. And he asks her if they're seeing someone, and she says yes, and that he's perfect. And I'm like, ooh. So then this part, I didn't remember this at all. And it is so funny to think about voicemail machines that we all used to have. But when you go to play the voicemail machine, everyone in the room can hear it.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, how mortifying.

How do we live through this?

[Easton (Producer)]

It's funny, I think about, like, when you play it back, everyone can hear. And also if you're at home with friends and someone calls you, like, oh, let the machine get it right. They're still. They're going to hear it.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I can't believe believe more problems didn't happen. Like, you know, it's like, wow, it's a lot. So Carrie. Carrie comes home with Aiden, and Aiden said something vague about, like, I'm gonna set the timer. And I was like, timer? Does he have a child who has iPad time? Like, that's what went through my head. I was like, where did Aiden go? But the other funny thing is that her apartment's really tiny. So he just walks to the little kitchenette area. He could totally have heard Big.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

But he acts like he doesn't. And he says, you know, they do, they, they also cut to him from her angle, right? That looks like he's far away. He's so not far away. Which I think we all know, right? Like now that we know her apartment like the back of her hand. But she's right there by the door playing. And Big's like, loud, like, I'm Carrie, I'm downstairs or whatever. I'm on your corner.

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[Kristen Davis]

He says something like, in a panic. He sounds like panic for him, right? And she's like, ah. And she stops it. So then Aiden says, you're out of coffee filters. And I think he says, does he say he's going to the Korean to get it? He says something weird that that is.

[Easton (Producer)]

What he said jumped out at me as not having been a New Yorker in the 2000s. I was like, I assume bodega.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, bodega. Aiden, do you not know? And I guess the truth is he might not. He's Aiden. Yeah, he's from Virginia, where he's from.

Right?

Like, he's from the woods. He's from the woods, totally. I was like, that's so funny that you're going to, to the Korean. But okay, so he's going to the Korean to get a, to get a coffee filter. And then he, there, he, he leaves. And then there's knock, knock, knock. And she opens the door. She thinks it's Aiden, but it's Big. Oh my God.

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[Kristen Davis]

I felt panic. And then she says, what are you doing here? And he says, didn't you get my message? And she goes, what? Wait, I, I, I, I, I paused it. And then he says, was that the guy? The perfect boyfriend? And she was like, yes. And he's coming back. And I felt very stressed, very stressed out. Even though I couldn't really remember what happened. I was like, I don't think Aiden comes back and finds him. But I mean, he totally could. What the heck, right? And then Big is all like, I'm so up. I was like, oh, that is a lame man. What did you think?

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, you know, I remember acting like this when I was like, 17. Yeah. Yeah. Like doing some big dramatic.

[Kristen Davis]

The drama. Yeah, the drama is a lot.

[Easton (Producer)]

I can't imagine doing that. That's like a. How old is big supposed to be? Like, it is like 40s. Yeah. I was like, come on, man, what are you doing?

[Kristen Davis]

But I mean, for sure that's who.

[Easton (Producer)]

He is, you know, So I guess.

[Kristen Davis]

That'S it is who he is. But it did. I did think about the drama and I did think about, like, huh. Like, I don't really remember this, but it works, right? Because I. I think the reason that it works or. Or that it seems like it could happen is that it. He is so withholding and covered that. Then, like, he's not fluid, you know, he doesn't know how to communicate really. And she seems to understand that somehow, you know, which is kind of sweet, but then also really not.

[Easton (Producer)]

Does he leave the message? The message is before the party on the boat. No, it's after. Okay.

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[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Easton (Producer)]

Because I'm wondering, like, how much of his overflow of emotion and passion for Carrie is from seeing her and learning that she has someone new. And the idea that even though he's with Natasha, she is now even more unattainable.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean. Yeah, you're right on. I didn't even think about all those things. I mean, for me, what I thought, because I'm a woman, I was like, oh, he's just been pining. He's just been pining and trying to figure out how to see her. So he gets. He goes to this party thingy, he's going to see her, doesn't bring his wife because he's pining. Right. I didn't even think about the whole unobtainable. But that's so true.

[Easton (Producer)]

I mean, I agree that he did probably go without Natasha to see her, but then. Then the extra layer of, like, maybe the reality of seeing her coupled with. She has a boyfriend that she thinks is perfect.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

I mean, that can hurt. That can hurt big time. For sure. And I think he definitely seems to be. And I don't know if this is true for all men. I know there are some people who think this is true for all men, but, you know, he seems to be the type of man who needs a bit of chase situation.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes, he does.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, that's what I think about that. But I mean, do you think that's all men?

[Easton (Producer)]

I. I don't think that's all men, but I think it's a large majority. And I don't know if this is the right. Like, I've seen this. I don't personally believe this, but I have seen this out there. The whole, like, men are hunters. They wanna.

[Kristen Davis]

Huh.

[Easton (Producer)]

You know, Like, I think that's kind of. It's dumb, but that, like, part of me is like, oh, is there any. Is there truth to that? I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't know if there's truth to it either. I wonder about that. I mean, there very well might be truth. I mean, it's also like, you remember when Charlotte dates her handyman?

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Because there's something adorable about a guy fixing things in your apartment. Like, that's such a very old school kind of thing. But, I mean, I relate to it.

[Easton (Producer)]

It's true. You know, I. I can't. I'll fix the WI fi. My wife does.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, you're good at that.

[Easton (Producer)]

She does not react at all. But if I'm positive she's excited, you know, she's happy, but she's not. Like. But if I. Man, I changed a light fixture the first time. That was another level, you know, like.

[Kristen Davis]

When it's like something, you know, I do know. That's adorable. Yeah, it's nice. It's definitely nice. I had a boyfriend once who was frustrated with the door in my old New York apartment because it was like, off or so, I don't know, something. And he took it off the hinges and he sanded it and I took a lot of pictures.

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[Kristen Davis]

Because it was so cute.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So I totally know what you're saying. I totally know what you're saying. And what is that? Like, where does that come from? You know, it's so interesting. Like, is that socialization or is that, like, innately in our brain or.

[Easton (Producer)]

I want to take care of me and make sure. Make me feel safe.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't really want that. Right. So it's interesting because technically, intellectually, I don't actually want that. But then yet my brain still responds. Do you know what I mean?

[Easton (Producer)]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

It's wacky. It's wacky. So with Big, I think you're absolutely right. All the different things play in for sure. And I also feel like the drama plays in of, like, I'm on the corner. Like, that's not. That's like, I don't like that. Like, I wouldn't want someone to call me and be like, I'm on your corner.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, ew. You know what I mean? But obviously they're not us.

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[Kristen Davis]

But it's very high drama. Like, he's making it high drama.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah, he's Doing this like Streetcar Named.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely. So Streetcar. So Streetcar. And then he waits till he leaves and then. I mean, it's a lot of drama. But this is back to Sarah Jessica. I mean, I think everybody's very good in this. But like the way that she doesn't overplay somehow. Like she's 100% grounded and there and her eyes are saying so much. But she's also just very. She just trusts the material and the writing and the situation. She doesn't overdo it in any way. Because if she had, it would be bad.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, like, it makes me really appreciate her, the intelligent way that she looks at material.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes. It's a masterclass. It really is.

[Kristen Davis]

It really, really is. And she's so funny in the early and so charming. And then she's so real and like so panicked. And you know, she does have the amazing Aiden. And at this point, especially super amazing Aiden. Right. Like, really, none of his things have shown up yet.

[Easton (Producer)]

No. And I'm a very public and long time Aiden hater.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Easton (Producer)]

Which I've talked your ear off about watching this episode and you know, I turned this episode on. I'm like, oh, this is an Aiden episode. And here we go get. Let's fire up some hating. And then. No, I. He's. He has not committed any sins to me.

[Kristen Davis]

No, he definitely doesn't. I don't think it's. Until the.

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[Kristen Davis]

I think the wall is when we get the first taste of like the oddities of Aiden or whatever. But he means well. I mean, I can't. I haven't gotten to rewatch that yet. I only have the Vegas of memory. But it's kind of like what we're saying of the positives of him just kind of gone too far. Yes, right.

[Easton (Producer)]

Exactly right. I think in a different. Because I was thinking about this, I'm like, normally I would be on him for not going with her to the party. I know. Like, it wasn't that. It wasn't that big of a deal to her to. That he didn't come. She didn't. She wasn't mad. She wasn't disappointed. It was just.

[Kristen Davis]

And it's mean her party.

[Easton (Producer)]

She's just going to go. She's not super excited about the gab party. But I think there's another version where I'm like, he should have gone with her that party and this big thing wouldn't have happened. I didn't. I did not react that way, but I could see that. And I was trying to think like why didn't I react that way? Because Aiden is fine at this point.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

Well, the other thing I think about it, that I liked about it because also I was like, well, why didn't he go? I think it's because. I think it's because they're very different. And part of what we like about him is that he's different from her.

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[Kristen Davis]

Because Big is similar to her.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, he's. He's a much more big deal than her, meaning the way the characters are at that point in their lives. Right. But like, you know, he goes to those parties because he's in the business, which she makes a little side joke. And I don't know if people realize who he's based on that he was, you know, a publisher person. But, you know, the idea of Big is that he was like a very successful person in her same social circles. Right. And then Aiden is totally out of her social circles. A furniture maker from some country place that we don't know. Maybe they said it somewhere. I have to look back. But, you know, he's different. And I think that's what's kind of nice. Right. And I think that's why Aiden doesn't want to go. And he's not saying, I need to be with you all the time. Which is actually nice from Aiden. Yeah, right.

[Easton (Producer)]

Allowing her to have this separate part of her life.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

And he's not jealous.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yeah, exactly. Very secure.

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[Kristen Davis]

He's not like, who are you gonna meet? Which is good. Which is very good. Very good. So, yeah, Aiden's super interesting at this point to me. So then Big comes. He's his up mess self, and she's very sweet to him. And she basically says at the very end that he.

Oh, he leaves.

After he says, I'm so up. And then Carrie listens to the message that he left on the machine and he says he misses her and he can't stop thinking about her. And she says, this is exactly what I wanted to hear a year ago. Oh, man. I felt that. I mean, like, this is the timing situation. And this is what I think, if I could say I have like a list of things that I would like to say to younger women and this is one of them. And I have at some point said this to different younger women. I know. Well, here's a chance to say it to Mora. I think that one of the biggest things that I didn't understand was the timing of, like, where people are in life and how that is going to relate to a relationship. I felt like if the feeling is strong enough, that is going to dictate what someone is ready for. But I do not think that's true now.

[Easton (Producer)]

It's a very Charlotte thing to think.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, so Charlotte. So Charlotte. But also, I think Charlotte thinks that she's only gonna meet people that she's gonna know and meet people who want what she wants.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

And she makes a lot of effort for that to happen. Like her wacky episode where she's like, I'm gonna call the married guys of my friends or whatever, where she's just like, huh? What? What friends? Like what? But I guess Charlotte has other friends, and then that doesn't go that well. But that's how she meets Trey. But, you know, like, she has her. Her different methodologies that she's gonna try to use to get that. But I think she just assumes, in an interesting way that, you know, these other guys want to, you know, settle down and get married and have, you know, 2.5 kids and live in a big apartment or whatever she wants. You know what I'm saying? I mean, isn't that what she wants? I think that's what she wants.

[Easton (Producer)]

That is what.

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[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I mean, I do think that's naive.

Right.

But I also think at the time, and I see this in the writing of the show in a way that I wasn't aware of, but I really notice it now from 2025 perspective, the background of the show, even with Miranda, who I never thought of as being like this. And I've actually said to Cynthia, like, did you remember that Miranda used to talk about trying to get married? She's like, what? And I'm like, there's multiple episodes where you discuss. Not like. What I remember of Miranda is that she's super independent and she wants to be a partner, and she's, you know, strong and all those things, and that she is worried about dying alone.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And I feel like that makes perfect emotional sense. But there's that one where her interior designer gets married to the guy, and she's like, that should have been me. And now no one's going to be with me. And. No, no, no. And I'm like, who's that? Who's that person? But I think the background of the conversation in the year 2000 and 1999 was that all women want to get married. That was the background, Right. That's where we're coming from. So then, like, that's why Samantha is like an outlier. Like a total, complete outlier. Whereas now in 2025, the statistics of the unmarried women are different. They were changing already. Right. And that's why they put us on the COVID of the Time magazine and wrote who Needs a Husband? Which is one of my most favorite things ever, as I think I say more than once. But now the statistics match it, right? And especially like women over 40, there's so many who've gotten divorced and they're just like, I don't have time for that. I have my own income, I can travel, I can do what I want. And I love it. I love it so much. But that was just starting in the year 2000. You know, it wasn't like the background noise. The background noise was all women want to get married.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting.

[Easton (Producer)]

Yes, very much so.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, everybody, thanks for hanging with me in Easton.

We have so much to talk about that we are going to come back later in the week. Please join us, Easton and I, on Are youe a Charlotte?

[Easton (Producer)]

We'll see you there.

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