Do Opposites Attract in 2026 with Lala Kent... (S3 E9 "Easy Come, Easy Go")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: Do Opposites Attract in 2026 with Lala Kent… (S3 E9 “Easy Come, Easy Go”)

Host: Kristin Davis
Guests: Cynthia Nixon, Lala Kent
Date: January 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a deep, playful discussion between Kristin Davis (Charlotte on Sex and the City), Cynthia Nixon (Miranda), and special guest Lala Kent of Vanderpump Rules. The focus is a rewatch of Sex and the City Season 3, Episode 9: “Easy Come, Easy Go,” which features Charlotte’s engagement, the complexities of relationships, and perennial questions about whether “opposites attract.” The conversation ripples out to explore personal growth, acting challenges, sobriety, female friendship, and evolving depictions of women on screen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lala Kent’s Journey with Sex and the City

• Initial exposure: Lala watched the series in 7th grade, sneaking episodes with her best friend and marveling at the candidness about sex and city living even in conservative Utah.
  • [03:04] “We would steal her mom’s car, go to this place called Cafe Trang, take out Chinese food in Utah… come back and just, like, whatever was playing.” — Lala Kent
• Full rewatch as an adult: Only recently binged the series from start to finish, live-tweeting her reactions and discovering new nuance as she ages.
  • [03:38] “I was posting throughout as I was watching... Everyone’s like, ‘This is crazy that you of all people have never seen [it].’” — Lala Kent

2. Watching the Show — Then and Now

• Cynthia Nixon’s Perspective:
  • On watching episodes with unfinished elements in the early days, and rewatching decades later with new self-compassion.
    • [05:00] “There’s nothing I can do now about my performance, right?... That has gotten better with time.” — Cynthia Nixon
  • On actor direction and challenge of playing Charlotte’s first big storyline (engagement to Trey):
    • [07:03] “Everyone would basically tell you what they wanted you to do… I was just trying to play shock through an entire scene, which is very hard—possibly impossible.” — Cynthia Nixon
• Acting critique & growth: With time, Nixon has grown less critical of her own performances and more forgiving:
  • [06:47] “I was like, no, it’s fine… I never think, ‘I crushed it.’”

3. Relatability of Characters & Evolving Identity

• Which Character Are You?
  • Lala relates to different characters at different ages: started as a “Samantha,” grew into a “Miranda,” and now sees traits of “Charlotte.”
    • [11:13] “The moment that I became sexually active, I was like, oh, I am Samantha as it gets.” — Lala Kent
    • [11:40] “As a whole, I think I’m mostly Miranda.” — Lala Kent
• Universal experience: The cast and fans alike agree most women have a little of each character in them.

4. Themes of Aging, Sobriety, and Self-Determination

• Kristin and Cynthia reflect on their traditional upbringings, the drive to escape to NYC, and how acting ambitions shaped their lives.
• Sobriety: Both Kristin and Cynthia discuss their journeys, the challenge of staying sober in wild New York (especially the ’80s and ’90s), and being surrounded by “wild people”:
  • [13:39] “I have a publicist I’ve had for over 30 years. I have a manager I’ve had for 30 years… But there were other people that I’d meet along the way and they’d be like, ‘You’ve got to go out to parties.’ I was like, ‘Whoever got a job from going to parties?’ That’s crazy.” — Cynthia Nixon
• Changing messages for women:
  • [22:45] “I feel like finally getting older is like an empowering thing… It’s your superpower, right?” — Lala Kent

5. Navigating the Entertainment Industry & Personal Growth

• The trio swaps stories about how entry paths and expectations for women in Hollywood have changed, especially as reality TV and social media altered the landscape.
  • [22:11] “When I first came out here, I wanted to be an actress… if you signed up to do reality TV, it was like a death wish for your career, and now it has changed.” — Lala Kent
• Value of education vs. experience:
  • [25:04] “Get a BA and make sure you get a more well-rounded education… Nobody cares if you have a degree.” — Cynthia Nixon
  • [25:54] “I was like, ‘Well, it looks like I’ll be part of [the small percent who makes it].’ And I never took [the SAT].” — Lala Kent

6. Rewatching “Easy Come, Easy Go”—Episode Analysis

• Writing and acting appreciation:
  • [26:26] “All the storylines are just great and they’re all intertwined in ways that are interesting… In retrospect, I’m much more able to see how hard the actual mechanics were.” — Cynthia Nixon
• Why the show endures:
  • [27:26] “It’s the hugest compliment in the world that people still love it and still come up to me… Who would have ever thought—we never would have dreamt any of this.” — Cynthia Nixon
• Relating to Episode Themes:
  • [35:08] “The whole theme is about following your heart or your mind, which is such a huge question. Every day, forever.” — Cynthia Nixon

7. Relationships — Head vs. Heart, Opposites, and Chemistry

• Carrie’s love triangle:
  • [35:16] “When Carrie ends up in bed with Big… you have the perfect guy right in front of you, but the heart just wants what it wants.” — Lala Kent
  • [36:16] “The first time I rewatched this episode, I thought, ‘Oh my God, she’s so stupid, Carrie, so stupid.’ But then this time I watched it and I was like, you can tell that the Aiden relationship is not right for her.” — Cynthia Nixon
• Emotional addiction:
  • [37:10] “You become addicted to the super high highs and then the super low lows.” — Lala Kent
• Carrie’s self-insight (or lack thereof):
  • [41:16] “Carrie is interesting in that she’s got her column… but she doesn’t have a lot of personal introspection. Right? Her introspection is about relationships in general, kind of intellectual rather than, ‘Why am I doing this?’” — Cynthia Nixon
• Friendship analysis:
  • [44:44] “I don’t think you could categorize any of you as bad friends. That’s the beauty of the show, is a group of women navigating their lives and always coming back together.” — Lala Kent

8. Is Carrie a Narcissist? The Fan Debate

• Fan critique: Lala raises a friend’s belief that Carrie is a narcissist.
• Cynthia’s defense:
  • [44:04] “She’s our entree into the world… we’re hearing her thoughts and her voice... Of course we’re hearing her thoughts. If we were in your head hearing your thoughts, we would also think you’re a narcissist.”
• On making mistakes:
  • [45:49] “Who hasn’t fucked up? Everybody.” — Cynthia Nixon

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On self-critique:
  • [06:52] “There’s nothing I can do now about my performance, right? It’s off my shoulders.” — Cynthia Nixon
• On finding pieces of yourself in the show:
  • [08:14] “… as I’ve gotten older, I see myself… in each of you. For such a long time, it was like, ‘Which one are you?’” — Lala Kent
• On women aging:
  • [22:54] “Getting older is like an empowering thing—it’s your superpower, right?” — Lala Kent
• On the question of heart vs. head in relationships:
  • [35:08] “The whole theme of this episode is… about following your heart or your mind, which is such a huge question. Every day, forever.” — Cynthia Nixon
• On relationship cycles:
  • [37:10] “You become addicted to the super high highs and then the super low lows…” — Lala Kent
• On friendship and being the show’s ‘lead’:
  • [44:04] “It’s just the basic conceit of the show, right, that we are in Carrie’s head... she’s a great friend.” — Cynthia Nixon

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• Lala on discovering SATC & fandom: [03:04–04:23]
• Cynthia on acting and direction: [04:59–07:42]
• Who are you in the SATC universe? [08:14–11:44]
• Sobriety & coming to NYC: [12:44–15:14]
• Changing times & career advice: [22:11–25:54]
• Season 3, Episode 9 analysis: [26:12–27:26]
• Carrie/Big/Aiden discussion, head vs. heart: [35:08–41:16]
• Is Carrie a narcissist? Debate: [43:00–45:49]

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, humorous, and empathetic—oscillating between deeply personal confession and playful banter. The hosts and guest are generous with praise, open about past struggles, and keen to re-examine beloved characters and tropes in the context of 2026’s cultural shifts.

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Closing

The episode closes on the note that these layered discussions are too big for one sit-down—with a promise to continue (“we are going to have to have a part two”).

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For anyone who loves Sex and the City, is curious about the realities behind the episodes, or relishes honest talk about love, growth, sobriety, and self-definition, this episode offers warmth, nostalgia, and perspective. The rewatch is much more than surface commentary: it’s about what it means to grow up alongside cultural icons, interrogate old stories, and still see ourselves reflected in them today.

Transcript

[Lala Kent]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Michelle Williams]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Tell me what you were telling me before about how you have watched the show or which parts.

[Lala Kent]

So I used to watch like random episodes with my best Friend in the seventh grade. I don't know if we had any business watching Sex and the City in the seventh grade, but we would do it. We would steal her mom's car, go to this place called Cafe Trang.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

Wow.

[Lala Kent]

Take out Chinese food in Utah. In Utah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God.

[Lala Kent]

Salt Lake.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Lala Kent]

Come back to her house and just like, whatever was playing, I guess it will. You know when they would do. I don't know. It was on season.

[Cynthia Nixon]

This is probably when it was on E. Right? Like, like, was it. Did it have the bad words and stuff taken out?

[Lala Kent]

No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, okay. We were in it. Wow.

[Lala Kent]

So recently, I want to say maybe like five, six months ago, I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start Sex and the City from start, start to finish. I am obsessed. When I was asked to do this podcast, I was so intimidated.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, no, no.

[Lala Kent]

I was like taking notes on the episode.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's adorable. I can't wait to hear your thoughts. So when you. So, so, so have you seen the whole thing yet?

[Lala Kent]

I have seen. So how many seasons were.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There's six seasons.

[Lala Kent]

Yes. Season one through six. I watched all of them.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Lala Kent]

And then I had seen the movies. So now what I've been told. Cause I was posting throughout as I was watching.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Lala Kent]

Being like, I just started. This show is amazing. Everyone's like, this is crazy that you of all people have never seen.

[Kristin Davis]

True.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It is a little crazy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lala Kent]

So I'm all about sex and I'm all about it being in the city. And so now I'm going to go back and watch the movies, even though I've seen that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

And then we'll start and just like that post. Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Cool.

[Lala Kent]

I love it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love it, I love it. So what? I mean, I wish I had been following along as you were posting, but I have you in person, so I should just hear in person. So obviously everyone tells me and I'm rewatching it now for the first time. Right. Like, I saw each episode as we were going, and sometimes it would be rough, it wouldn't be finished. Like, there would be music missing or there would be a visual effects missing or things like that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But we were always really anxious to see, you know, at least I remember us being. And Sarah Jessica says she didn't watch all of it, but I feel like she did. I feel like we talked about it, but that was obviously a very long time ago. But we would run home, we would get VHS from hbo and before it aired yeah. And go run home and watch it. Because we were, you know, we were so in.

[Kristin Davis]

In it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In it and of it, like, everything was exciting, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Of course.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then I didn't ever like to rewatch it when it was on E. Or on the different, you know, versions of what it was on, because it seemed like I would get stuck in the past. Like, I didn't want to just sit and think about it. And I would just walk by and be like, oh, look at where Celebi looks so young. You know, and just keep going. You know what I'm saying?

[Lala Kent]

Do you feel like you were critical?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I definitely am critical, but I'm probably more critical when I would first watch it.

[Lala Kent]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that has gotten better with time. Right. Because now it is 30. Almost 30 years later.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which is insane. There's nothing I can do now about my performance, right?

[Lala Kent]

Nope.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's off my shoulders. Like, for instance, there is a scene in this episode. I have rewatched this episode twice now. Oh, I should tell everybody. We are rewatching Easy Come, Easy Go, which I have to say is one of the best.

[Melissa Jeltson]

It's.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, gosh.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Episodes. Oh, my gosh, so much happens. It's season three, and it's when I get engaged. So when Kyle recently came on and we discussed. So I had watched all kind of the highlights of the Trey relationship, but then I rewatched it this morning before I was gonna see you, because it's just such a great episode and so much happens. Yeah, so much happens. But there was a scene in this episode, and I remember at the time also feeling like I didn't do it well. And then when I watched it for Kyle, I also thought I didn't do it well. And then this third time watching, I was like, no, it's fine.

[Lala Kent]

Like, I actually crushed it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know if I crushed it. I never think that way.

[Michelle Williams]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But the scene when I go to tell Carrie about the engagement. Yeah. I don't love my performance then. And I have a very, very visceral memory of what it was like on.

[Kristin Davis]

The set that day.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because everyone had. When I say everyone, I mean behind the camera, Right? Totally. Like, it was Directed by Charles McDougal, who's one of my favorite directors. And Charles is a great director because he doesn't really micromanage. But the way that our was, our writers were very, very involved, and they were always there. So Michael Patrick King wrote our episode, and he's one of our executive producers. We love him very much. But Also, we had a bunch of women writers, and they would all be there. Like, if it was a big scene, everybody would be there, and everyone would basically tell you what they wanted you to do. Especially back then. Like, now I would be like, okay, guys, that's enough. Like, let me just do it.

[Lala Kent]

Right, Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But back then, this was really Charlotte's first big storyline, you know? And, like, with a lot going on over many episodes, and in this beginning, Trey, we were really laying the groundwork of what was going to happen between me and him. Right. So the whole idea that she's been wanting this proposal, wanting this proposal, wanting this proposal, and then she kind of blows it by basically proposing to herself. They wanted me to just be like. I don't think they wanted me to be tearful, but they just wanted me.

[Lala Kent]

To be in shock.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So I'm trying to play shock through an entire scene, which is very hard. Like, possibly impossible. You know what I'm saying?

[Lala Kent]

It's really interesting to hear your perspective on that, because that's actually one of my favorite parts, where you're at the door and you walk in and it's. You're just, like, in a fog, and you can tell that. Here's what I love about the entire show is as I've gotten older, I see myself at the age of 35. In each of you, there was. For such a long time, it was like, which one are you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

The wind blew the wrong way for Charlotte, and she doesn't do well with that.

[Kristin Davis]

No, she has.

[Lala Kent]

She has what?

[Nashville IVF Patient]

She.

[Lala Kent]

What? She. How she wants something to go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

And that's very much me. So when she wanted it so badly at that dinner, and then you're just at Carrie's door. I loved it.

[Kristin Davis]

You did?

[Nashville IVF Patient]

Okay.

[Lala Kent]

I loved it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, good.

[Lala Kent]

Because I felt like there was so much going on in your head that you were still trying to process. Like, I was obsessed.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God.

[Lala Kent]

That's my take on it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That makes me so happy. Because, really, you can never be objective about yourself. Really. You know what I'm saying? You just know what you were trying to do, and you know what everyone's telling you to do, and you see the work. Like, I can see myself, like, trying to do what they were telling me to do rather than just kind of breathing and living. But she is just kind of processing. You're right. Which is stuck in a way. I felt like what their direction was at the time was a little bit stuck. Like, they can get an idea. Writers especially, can get an idea, but it's Hard to act. You have to really go with what's happening. You know what I mean?

[Lala Kent]

Of course.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But Charlotte is very in her head, you know, like, in general. Right. She has, like you said, the kind of vision of what she wants.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or what she's expecting, and then life doesn't live up to it, which, of course it wouldn't. How could it possibly. You know what I mean? No one can read your mind. Right. Which is like a big thing. A big thing with Charlotte forever, really. You know? You know, her vision versus reality versus reality.

[Lala Kent]

And that's what I. I loved about it. And I loved when you were at lunch meeting Trey's mom for the first time, and you were clocking little things like how.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I like that, too. I like that, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lala Kent]

I just find Charlotte to be so sweet and interesting, and I relate to that as I get older and have more experiences with different types of men.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who did you used to relate to?

[Lala Kent]

I used to feel like I was just a Samantha. Like, very much so.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

You.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Even your young self.

[Lala Kent]

My young. Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow. I love that.

[Lala Kent]

I. I mean, obviously, when I first started watching at the seventh grade. 14. Right. I didn't relate to any of you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right, right. You were like, wow, I just couldn't.

[Lala Kent]

Believe I was seeing boobs on. On.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Totally freaking awesome. Hearing some crazy words and stuff. Totally. And you're in Utah, too, so it's even more like you're in a very kind of more conservative environment. Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

I was like, this is awesome.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It made you want to get out, I'm sure. Right.

[Lala Kent]

The moment that I became sexually active, I was like, oh, I am Samantha. As it gets.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Fantastic. That's great.

[Lala Kent]

Talk about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's so great.

[Lala Kent]

And then as you. You get older, I developed an appreciation for Miranda where, like, I have to say, by the. By the time it was over, I was like, at this stage of my life, even though I can say, like, I think most women have a piece of each of you.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

As a whole, I think I'm mostly Miranda.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love that. That's super interesting.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Michelle Williams]

Wow.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, let me say, I've never seen Vanderpump Rules, so I don't know. I don't have a lot of preconceived notions about you. Right.

[Lala Kent]

That's great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, it is. It's really nice, though. I have enough knowledge from your podcast untraditionally, lala, because you are creating your own life in the way that you want it, and I am, of the same thinking. I came from South Carolina, which was very traditional, though my parents weren't really, like, super preppy or anything like that. But I was surrounded by, you know, everyone talked about wanting to get married and wanting to get engaged and blah, blah, blah. Everybody was blonde, you know what I'm saying? The whole thing. And I was an actress from a young age, so I wanted to get out as soon as I could. I just wanted to go to New York, which I eventually did. It took a while, but I wanted to, you know, have a different life, a more adventurous life. A different life. And I have absolutely had that.

[Lala Kent]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It's been fun.

[Lala Kent]

You've had a very fun life.

[Kristin Davis]

I have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have had a very fun and adventurous life, yes.

[Lala Kent]

How old were you when you left?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I went to college. My dad was a college professor, so I wanted to move directly to New York at 18. And he said no. And he was right, because I was not yet sober. And had I moved directly to New York in the 80s, not sober, it would have gone really badly. So I'm so lucky that he said, no, you cannot do that, young lady. What on earth. You know, he was like, you must go to college. So I went to Rutgers because they had a BFA acting program.

[Lala Kent]

Amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I could be close to the city and go in to see plays, and, you know, I just wanted to be as close as I could to the Broadway of it all, you know? And I was. Which was great. Which was great. It was perfect. Because I did need that time to. During that time is when I realized that I needed to get a hold of my. My. My abuse of alcohol. Predominantly alcohol.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, you were sober.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, I've been sober so long that I don't talk about it all the time.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

But.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Thank God. Thank God for you. Yeah. Thank you.

[Lala Kent]

I mean, in common.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I love that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I don't know how I would have navigated. First of all, New York in the late 80s was just insanity. I mean, I remember I was kind of alone in being sober. I wasn't really in a program at that time, and I didn't know anyone who was sober, except I had a boyfriend who was sober. Oh, great. Yeah. So we could be together in it. But I remember just walking. I had to walk. I had a waitressing job, and I would walk home, and I would walk by the limelight, like all the crazy clubs, and just be like, oh, thank God I'm not in there. I don't know what would happen to me.

[Lala Kent]

So you never felt Triggered once you moved out, you felt like you were strong in your sobriety when you, when you moved and were in that environment.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, I did feel triggered for sure, but I didn't ever fall, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think largely because of John, my boyfriend, who was super sweet. He was in some ways like the police. You know, he'd been sober for a while and he was very protective and I think he knew the dangers more than I did in a way, you know, of like he'd been out, he was three or four years older than me at the time. He'd already been out and you know, lived a life in the city and knew how crazy it could be. So he was very protective and that helped me get over the, the initial hump of like being out in the crazy world and trying to be sober. But it was lonely in the way of like my roommate was wild, you know what I'm saying? Like there were all these wild people around me and I would just be like, no, I'm just gonna stay home.

[Lala Kent]

Right, keep your blinders on. You know where you have business being.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And where you do not 100%.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

Lets you chat with people in the back without yelling.

[Kristin Davis]

Ah, moms, you know what I'm talking about. Ready to upgrade your ride? Learn more about the Hyundai palisade@hyundai USA.com Call 562-314-4603 for complete details. If you're listening to this show, you know who Steve Brady is, One of the most beloved characters from Sex and the City. Well, if you love Steve, that means you probably also love David Eigenberg, who has a heart of gold and sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Knows how to play one on tv.

[Kristin Davis]

Like his other beloved character Christopher Herrmann on Chicago Fire. That's why you should check out his episode on the One Chicago Podcast, the new show that's an exclusive behind the.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Scenes look at the iconic show from.

[Kristin Davis]

The One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med, and of course, Chicago Fire. Each episode joins host and former Chicago Cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci as he's joined by the actors, producers and writers as they take a deep dive behind the epic One Chicago Universe. Each week you'll hear exclusive conversations with.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The writers, crew and stars who bring.

[Kristin Davis]

Your favorite first responders to life. To listen to the One Chicago Podcast, search for One Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's One Chicago Podcast. Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery and I found the most amazing Mugler jacket.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the costume department loved it and it felt so good and I still.

[Kristin Davis]

Have it at home.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like when you score that rare Adidas.

[Kristin Davis]

Collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Ripped right out of a Magaz in 2007 and never got over.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity Guarantee Ebay Things People Love I'm.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, what Happened in Nashville tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We have some breaking news to tell.

[Lala Kent]

You about Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor.

[Melissa Jeltson]

In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight. And trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos.

[Lala Kent]

I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow.

[Melissa Jeltson]

But this story isn't just about a few families futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

It doesn't matter how much I fight, doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it going to get me pregnant.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Listen to what happened in Nashville on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then I moved here in the 90s. Also insane. Oh, cocaine.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, I can't even imagine.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, everywhere. Cocaine. Everywhere. Everywhere.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Everywhere.

[Lala Kent]

Part of my language. I don't with that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. No, no, it's serious.

[Lala Kent]

It is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Serious is really not good. So I remember being at parties and seeing like dinner plates of. With a mountain. I would just be like, lovely. Excuse me.

[Lala Kent]

Lovely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know the 90s here was woo, woo. It was a lot. It was a lot. And I do remember there were people in my life who not my. Like, I have a publicist I've had.

[Kristin Davis]

For over 30 years.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have a manager I've had for 30 years. I mean, I've had like a really great team, but there were other people that I'd meet along the way and they'd be like, you've got to go out to parties. I was like, whoever got a job from going to parties? That's crazy.

[Lala Kent]

No one gets a job. And when you're sober, you realize you're all in one big room talking about bull.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Totally.

[Lala Kent]

It's actually quite insane.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly.

[Lala Kent]

Like there have been moments in my seven years and some change where I've gone out to nightclubs and I'm watching people and I'm like, do we all realize that we're in like a concrete room just with music that's way too loud?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Horrible.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Horrible.

[Lala Kent]

No one realizes that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I know. Well, because I think you're really. You just think that you have to do it or you think you're supposed to do it or you think that that's how something meaningful is going to happen in your life. I don't know why.

[Lala Kent]

Nothing. Nothing ever good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I agree. I agree totally.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I worry for the young women Who. Who do that or feel like they need to do that, I guess I should say.

[Lala Kent]

Well, I think it's. It's our job. You know, we're in. We're in different lines of work. And, you know, when I first came out here, I wanted to be an actress. And you. You couldn't. You. If you signed up to do reality tv, it was like a death wish for your career. And now it has changed.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

So we're. We're in. We're both in entertainment, but I feel like it's our job to. To take these platforms and spread the word on how to go about this. What are the red flags?

[Kristin Davis]

I agree.

[Lala Kent]

Let's not try to paint them green, because we love to do that, especially at a young age.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right, right.

[Lala Kent]

And I. I feel like finally getting older is like an empowering thing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Absolutely.

[Lala Kent]

It's something that women are embracing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

It's like your superpower. Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Lala Kent]

I don't feel like it was always looked at that way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, of course. I think it was experienced that way, but I don't think that we had a way to talk about it. I mean, I am newly older, relatively. I mean, it's also relative. Like, when we started the show, we were in our 30s. Right. Which is so funny now because, like, that's very young. And obviously, you look back at the show, look like little children to me.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But at the time, there was this whole freedom because as an actress, once you were in your mid-30s, you were kind of done. You were on your way out.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So it was such an empowering thing to get these parts, because first of all, you didn't have to lie about your age anymore because depending on whatever audition you went to, you had to lie and say you were that age. Right.

[Lala Kent]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I remember just going, oh, thank God I never have to lie about my age again.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because, you know, like, these strong, powerful women in our 30s, and we were supposed to be in our 30s. That was the point.

[Michelle Williams]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

Don't you find it interesting, though? Because as I go out and about and see. See people in their. Around my age, it's actually, we're still trying to figure it out in our 30s.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Lala Kent]

Whereas your. Your guys's personal lives may have been all over the place, but, like, wonderful careers were happening on the show. You know, Carrie with. With her column, Miranda being this, like, incredible lawyer.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

I don't feel like it's as much that way anymore. Maybe it's just living in Los Angeles, but At that age, we're still really trying to figure out what we want to do. And B and C. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think a lot of that is because the world has changed too.

[Lala Kent]

Correct.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think Covid really, like, you know what I mean?

[Lala Kent]

It threw everybody off.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like there was no. Cause when we were all in like college age. Right. I went to college. I don't think Kim went to college. I don't think Sarah went to college.

[Kristin Davis]

Cynthia went to college.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I think that you were kind of told that there was a tract that you could be on. Right. But we all wanted to be actors, so I went to acting school. Does acting school help you? No, no, not school. And I did. And I'm glad. It helped me develop as a human being.

[Lala Kent]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But it doesn't help you in your career at all.

[Kristin Davis]

At all, at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I need to really reiterate that I think it's great. Like if you love theater and you love acting and you want to enjoy yourself in college also just get a BA and make sure you get a, like a more well rounded education.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which I didn't really care about. I didn't do that. I didn't care. And I'm not saying I regret it. I'm happy with my choice. But I just think that you, you in some young way, you believe that it's going to matter that you have this degree. Nobody cares if you have a degree.

[Lala Kent]

Isn't that because so many people, so many of my. I always had this mindset. I remember my counselor calling me in and being like, we need you to take. What is it? An sat.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

When are you going to be doing that?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Where are you going to school?

[Lala Kent]

And I was like, I'm moving to LA and I'm going to be famous. And they were like a very small percentage of people.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But you're one of them.

[Lala Kent]

Yay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yay Lala.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

And I was like, well, it looks like I'll be part of it. And like I never took it. But all of my friends went off and did college and most of them are in debt. They don't use their degree for anything. So if there is one thing, I knew what I wanted to do and that's great. Nothing was gonna stop that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Amazing. Okay, let's talk about this episode. So this episode in my mind. So my favorite season is season three, the season that we're in. And part of the reason I think that my favorite season is season three is when I watch these episodes, all the storylines are just great and they're all intertwined in ways that are interesting and more in depth in a way than in the beginning. Like, I think it took us some time to find our legs in terms of, like, the writing and how to. How to get everything in. But also everyone's storyline is great and different.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it took a lot of work on her writer's part to get to that. And also, so much happens in such a short amount of time. I know. It's amazing. It's amazing. Every time I watch it, I'm like, wow, wow, we were so good. I mean, I thought it was good at the time and I loved it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But, like, in retrospect, I'm much more able to see the. How hard the actual mechanics were.

[Lala Kent]

Totally.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, and have full, full appreciation for it.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

I mean, the show stands the test of time, which is, I think, very.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Hard to do 100% because there's so many shows out there.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you're basically competing with all of them over the test of time.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it's the hugest compliment in the world that people still love it and still come up to, to me and still are discovering it, which is like, I mean, who would have ever thought we never, never would have dreamt any of this.

[Lala Kent]

That's gotta feel really amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It does. It does. I mean, obviously there's so much luck that plays into it, but also there's so much hard work in terms of getting to the point and getting the job, but then also doing the job because it was like, my entire life.

[Lala Kent]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, there's no. Like, once it really succeeds, which is third season. Third season is when we shockingly got nominated for an Emmy for the first time, and we never thought that would happen. And then once the award thing started, that was in our off season. Right. So we'd go to work in February, and then the Golden Globes would be in January. So it was just like year round, you know what I'm saying? Like, you had little breaks, but not really. And then you were doing press to try to. You know, it was. It was a lot. It was a lot.

[Lala Kent]

It sounds like so much fun.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was fun. It was work, but it was fun for sure. But also, like, there are things I think back in terms of my personal life, and I'm like, oh, my God, how did anyone put up with me? Like, I don't think I talked about anything else, really.

[Lala Kent]

How could you? When that's your life, right? When that's your life, how do you. That's what you go and do when you Meet people, you talk about what your world is like and when that is your every single day. And anyone you're communicating outside of that person are also a part of your business.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's mostly who you're talking to.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. So the timing at that point in time was probably just off. You weren't, I don't know when you met your person or I don't have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

A person, but adopted.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, you adopted your baby?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, see, you did it the right way from the jump. You did it the right way from the jump.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's so sweet.

[Lala Kent]

Thank you. Damn, I'm so jealous.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm sorry. I mean, look, it happens the way it happens, right? It happens the way it happens.

[Kristin Davis]

You ever get in a car and think, okay, this changes everything. That's exactly how I felt getting into the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Now I know hybrid SUV probably makes.

[Kristin Davis]

You think fuel economy first, which by the way, yes, the thing gets up to 600 plus miles of range. But that is just scratching the surface.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The new Palisade hybrid is redefining what.

[Kristin Davis]

It means to drive an suv. For starters, let's talk about interior space. It's class leading, which is just a fancy way of saying that the whole crew and everyone's going to be comfy. You've got seating for seven or eight passengers and yes, that available third row power seating that reclines. Game changer. There are available front and second row relaxation seats. Basically a spa day on wheels. And an available class exclusive blind spot view monitor that shows you a video feed of your blind spot right in the dash. How smart is that? There's even an available class exclusive built in dash cam. So whether it's a scenic drive or someone cuts you off and pretends like it didn't happen, you've got the receipts. And if you're all about the sound experience like me, the available Bose 14 speaker audio system is going to blow you away. I also love the tech forward touches like standard 100 watt USB C ports because fast charging is non negotiable these days. And the standard passenger talk intercom that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Lets you chat with people in the back without yelling.

[Kristin Davis]

Ah, moms, you know what I'm talking about. Ready to upgrade your ride? Learn more about the Hyundai [e-mail] Call 562-314-4603 for complete details. If you're listening to this show, you know who Steve Brady is. One of the most beloved characters from.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sex and the City.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, if you love Steve, that means you probably also love David Eigenberg who has a heart of gold and sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Knows how to play one on TV.

[Kristin Davis]

Like his other beloved character Christopher Herrmann on Chicago Fire. That's why you should check out his episode on the One Chicago Podcast, the new show that's an exclusive behind the.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Scenes look at the iconic show from.

[Kristin Davis]

The One Chicago Universe, Chicago pd, Chicago Med, and of course Chicago Fire. Each episode joins host and former Chicago cop turned Chicago PD producer Brian Lucci as he's joined by the actors, producers and writers as they take a deep dive behind the epic One Chicago Universe. Each week you'll hear exclusive conversations with.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The writers, crew and stars who bring.

[Kristin Davis]

Your favorite first responders to life. To listen to the One Chicago Podcast, search for One Chicago Podcast on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's One Chicago Podcast before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery and I found the most amazing Mugler jacket.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the costume department loved it and.

[Kristin Davis]

It felt so good and I still have it at home.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like when you score that rare Adidas.

[Kristin Davis]

Collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over. Yeah, those.

[Kristin Davis]

It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity Guarant Ebay Things People Love I'm.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, what Happened in Nashville tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We have some breaking news to tell you about.

[Lala Kent]

Tennessee's attorney general is suing a Nashville doctor.

[Melissa Jeltson]

In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos.

[Lala Kent]

I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow.

[Melissa Jeltson]

But this story isn't just about a few families futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

It doesn't matter how much I fight, doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Listen to what happened in Nashville on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay, so this. The whole theme of this episode is exactly kind of what you're talking about, which is about following your heart or your mind, which is such a huge question. Every day, forever. I think you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

And, oh, my gosh, when Carrie ends up in bed with Big.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

And you have, like, the perfect guy right in front of you, but the heart just wants what it wants.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know.

[Lala Kent]

And at some point, you always give in, and it's like the forbidden fruit. I have been in relationships where I'm like you, if I'm so happy with this person. But if you were to drop this specific person in front of me, I would forget all about this. Even though this is so right for me, because my heart just knows, and my vagina knows what it wants.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, it's an interesting thing. I don't know, because I have never been married, right. I've never been really. I've been really committed to people. But if I'm really in love, you could drop anybody in front of me. It doesn't matter. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so my question, when I watch this, and again, you see it at different times and think about it. You think different things when you're rewatching it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, the first time I rewatched this episode, I thought, oh, my God, she's so stupid, Carrie. So stupid.

[Lala Kent]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

But then this time I watched it and I was like, you can tell that the Aiden relationship is not right for her.

[Lala Kent]

No, it's certainly not right for her.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So that, to me, that's a symptom of that. That then Big. Big is unfinished. Right? Like, we all know what that's like. Now, I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's right. And I don't think it's right or good for her, but I understand why she does it, because it's undone, you know, it's not complete.

[Lala Kent]

Right. And we all. We all know obviously what happens. But at this point in time, what I am thinking is, it. We can say it doesn't feel complete. And I think it. It. There's a very small percent chance that you end up, like, being with the person who's so toxic.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, of course. Right.

[Lala Kent]

But it's like you become addicted to the super high highs and then the super low lows.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

When that's horrible for you.

[Lala Kent]

It's so.

[Cynthia Nixon]

For everyone, awful.

[Lala Kent]

I like to think about it as hitting a vapor.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It is. It is. It's full. No, you're right. You're right.

[Lala Kent]

You're.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's a good way to put it. That's a good way to put it. And I think this time when I rewatched it, number one, I'm looking at Aiden and I'm like, why doesn't he understand that she. Like, this is, you know, like, it's nice what he wants to do, but also he's kind of oblivious to her.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like he says, I want to redo your floors. You're not gonna know I'm here. And then she's like, he's sanding your floors. He's got plastic up on you.

[Lala Kent]

Even though I work from home.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. So, like, he's somewhat not connected to her. You know what I'm saying? He's not really getting her in a way. Right. Which is, I think, true the whole time that he doesn't really get her. And that's what's interesting about him is he's different and different than Big, obviously, but also different than Carrie. Right. And that's interesting.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But does that really. Does he. Are they super connected or do they just have great chemistry? Like, not that different from Big. Right. Like, I look at the chemistry factor.

[Lala Kent]

I think Aiden came in at the right time.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. It's all timing.

[Lala Kent]

I. I usually am like pro chick. But how could Aiden get to a place where he knows her when she does have such a wall up? She's not even acting like herself. She's a version of herself that. That I feel is. Is almost like a shell of herself. I agree.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I agree. She's not. She's not giving her full self. You're so right. She's the Big in the relationship. She's the withholding in a way, even. Tell him about Big. She was like, big says, like, you know, she said, he doesn't know about you and I don't want to do. And Big says, why? Which that's like the. I mean, sometimes Big frustrates me, obviously, but like, sometimes I'm like, yeah, why, Carrie? Why wouldn't you tell this new relationship about your past relationship? It was pretty recent. So you're right. She's got a wall.

[Lala Kent]

You open up the whole can. And if she were to tell Aiden about Big, it would be a venting session and her being confused and. Right. Then he would know that is not finished.

[Kristin Davis]

You're so right.

[Lala Kent]

You're very much.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're so right. Yeah, that is so right. And on one hand, she's smart that she feels that and doesn't do it. But on the other hand, how could she actually expect it to work with Aiden if she's got the wall, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

She seems to always want to be in some sort of relationship to distract her from Big.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true.

[Lala Kent]

And that part I do not relate to.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Lala Kent]

Because any time. And I haven't had a lot of moments where I'm like, I really, really like this person. I can think of maybe two in my life. Yeah. And like. And one of them is not even the father of my child.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

Wow.

[Lala Kent]

Like, at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow.

[Lala Kent]

But I can think of two. And the moment that those don't work out, I cannot even bring myself to go out and meet someone else because I just want to by myself. And I want to retreat and focus on myself and what is good. Why am I attracting this type of person?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

Who wants to, like, give you all of this love and be present, and then all of the sudden they're, like, gone off the face of the earth. You better be dead in a ditch, because that's the only way I'm going to be cool with you disappearing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yikes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Disappearing is horrible. Shame on whoever you guys are.

[Lala Kent]

Shame on them.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Bad.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Disappearing is horrible.

[Kristin Davis]

It's the worst horrible.

[Lala Kent]

Like, after a few text messages, disappear. Disappear. But you can't go out with me, meet my friends, you know, be intimate and sleep together, and then everything be normal and then literally overnight go MIA. So with Carrie, though, I find that she.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You mean she's like that?

[Lala Kent]

You're saying she's find that when something goes south with someone, she's ready to go out. Saying the easiest way to get over someone is to get under someone else.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely. Which we. I think we actually have a whole episode about. But also, Carrie is not. Carrie is interesting in that she's got her column where she's really thinking about, you know, relationships and people in New York and what's going on. But she doesn't have a lot of personal introspection. Right, Right. Her introspection is about, like, relationships in general. And what about this question? It's kind of intellectual rather than, why am I doing this? You know, like. Like when she's relistening to that voicemail. And Miranda's over there. That was so entertaining to me because it's like they're in high school.

[Lala Kent]

It made me want a lot of licorice, by the way. I was like, that looks like. I love. They're ripping.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's very. It's a very high school moment. But I think it's also very like we all.

[Kristin Davis]

That.

[Cynthia Nixon]

All relationships, I do think, do that to you potentially.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like you're suddenly in grade school or whatever.

[Lala Kent]

You know what I mean? Who you are.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

And you have to have a third party come in, which is what I love. When Miranda's like, we could listen to this, this, and we will never know what it means.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. I know.

[Lala Kent]

We have all been a carry in that moment, and we've all been the Miranda in that moment.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's true. But it's important to have that Miranda voice. I have the Miranda voice in my head. Right. Who can be like, why are you even trying to analyze this? You will never know. You'll never understand this younger man.

[Kristin Davis]

They make no sense.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know what I'm saying?

[Lala Kent]

No one makes any sense.

[Kristin Davis]

No one makes any sense. No. No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But that's what I love about Carrie is that she is trying to figure everyone else out, but not ways herself. But she also tries. But then, like, her feelings, I think, are too strong, which is kind of interesting because she also has, you know, kind of the facade of like, I'm cool. You know what I mean? She has like a. You know, but she's not.

[Lala Kent]

She's got a lot of swag she puts on.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

You know, I. I have this friend, which you. You should. And I'm blanking on her last. I always say I have this friend, and then I'm like, what the hell is her last name?

[Cynthia Nixon]

You don't have to start with a baby. She.

[Lala Kent]

She thinks, Carrie, I have this friend who. Who is obsessed with Sex in the City. And she has always said that, even before I watch that Carrie's a narcissist.

[Cynthia Nixon]

A lot of people say this, and we discuss this because Sarah Jessica does not like this. And we discuss this sometimes in life. And there was a time of COVID where this became a big thing on. On Instagram and TikTok and whatever. And there's some very funny videos about it, I have to say. But I personally do not think this is true for a couple of reasons. They say that she's a bad friend, and I don't find that to be true at all.

[Lala Kent]

I don't find that to be true at all either.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, but I also think that the way that the show is structured and people don't necessarily realize this, then why should they?

[Michelle Williams]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're just watching the show and enjoying the show. But the way the show is structured, she's our entree into the world, right? She's our leading character. We're hearing her thoughts and her voice.

[Kristin Davis]

We.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Her voiceover, you know, we're seeing her writing. Right. So of course we're hearing her thoughts. If we were in your head hearing your thoughts, we would also think you're a narcissist.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

If we were in Hannah's head hearing her thoughts or Easton's head. Because you're in your own head.

[Kristin Davis]

Why would your thoughts not be about.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You and the people around you? It's just the basic conceit of the show, right, that we are in Carrie's head. That's my answer to it. Because to me, she's a great friend. I mean, look, look, she's. She's, you know, I mean, I don't.

[Melissa Jeltson]

I don't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Who's a perfect friend? Nobody. Right. But, like, she's there for these friends.

[Lala Kent]

I don't think you could categorize any of you as bad friends. That's the beauty of the show, is a group of women navigating their lives and always coming back together.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

And maybe I need to watch it again, but I do not think that Carrie is a narcissist.

[Kristin Davis]

No, me neither.

[Lala Kent]

And I've dealt with a many of those.

[Cynthia Nixon]

100%. I mean, most. Mostly. Mostly I've dealt with male narcissists. Right. Which looks different, Jonah saying, than female narcissists. But also, I have known female narcissists and they. Carrie's not one at all.

[Kristin Davis]

At all.

[Nashville IVF Patient]

At all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I think, like, there's a time early on, I can't remember. I think it's first season where she stands Miranda up for Big. That's not good, obviously. But Miranda gets really mad and they, like, have a fight. Do you mean?

[Lala Kent]

I don't think Miranda would have been as mad if Big wasn't a piece of shit.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, of course.

[Lala Kent]

Of course. That's why she was mad.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, of course. But also sitting support.

[Melissa Jeltson]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, if you're. And this is before everyone had the cell phones, like, Carrie's still running to the phone booth.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, that's. You know what I mean? That's up. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So you're sitting somewhere by yourself. Of course. And Miranda's mad. I totally get it. And Big's a jerk. I totally get both sides, right? But who hasn't up? Everybody. So.

[Lala Kent]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know what I mean? And also, I mean, you know, they're, I was gonna say they're kind of young at the time, but whatever, you know, like when you watch the beginning of the show, we do seem really young. But I also think some of that is the world. Like, you know, we didn't have dating apps, we didn't have, you know, cell phones and texting everybody all the time. You know what I'm saying? It was like a different world, right?

[Lala Kent]

It was a different game. Saying, I'm going with Big to get his Big, right? You know, and she's like, at least I know I can call another friend.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or I can go home, I can.

[Lala Kent]

Have a drink by myself and maybe find me a cute bag.

[Kristin Davis]

You guys, this is so much fun.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That we are going to have to.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Melissa Jeltson]

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[Nashville IVF Patient]

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[Melissa Jeltson]

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[Michelle Williams]

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[Rory Scoville]

Have you ever listened to those true crime shows and found yourself with more questions than answers?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Who catfishes a city? Is it even safe to snort human remains?

[Lala Kent]

Is that the plot of Footloose?

[Rory Scoville]

I'm comedian Rory Scoville, and I'm here to tell you Josh Dean and I have a new podcast that celebrates the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. It's called Crimeless A True Crime Comedy Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lala Kent]

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