Do the Clothes make the Man?

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Do the Clothes Make the Man?"

Are You A Charlotte? — iHeartPodcasts
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Molly Rogers (Costume Designer)
Date: December 22, 2025

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Overview

This episode dives deep into Season 3 of Sex and the City, focusing on the pivotal role of fashion in both the show and its cultural impact. Kristin Davis (Charlotte York) is joined by legendary costume designer Molly Rogers to reminisce about memorable wardrobe choices, behind-the-scenes dynamics, personal anecdotes, and how fashion choices became part of the series' DNA. The conversation is candid, humorous, and insightful, offering fans a rare look at both the creative process and the pressures behind iconic looks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fashion as a Storyteller in Sex and the City

• Transformative Moment: Season 3 marks a turning point for the show’s fashion, where industry respect and designer relationships flourished.
  • "Season three was when we started going into stores and people were like, oh, yeah, I know that show. Definitely really starting to borrow." (Molly Rogers, 04:43)
• Personalization: Kristin discusses evolving her own relationships with designers, learning from Sarah Jessica Parker, and finding styles uniquely suited to her character and body:
  • "That was when I started trying to find, you know, who I liked number one, who. Who fit me number two, and then trying to kind of develop those relationships…" (Kristin, 05:24)
• Attention to Detail: Molly is lauded for her meticulousness, from buttons to ribbons, and reworking vintage and off-the-rack pieces for the characters.
  • "Molly has an obsession with buttons, you guys…she has, like, a column where, like, buttons...Molly will go and she will find all these ribbons and bring the ribbons back and make earrings out of them for you." (Kristin, 08:02)

2. Pressure, Paparazzi, and the Critique of On-Screen Fashion

• Outfits Out of Context: The cast and crew often struggle with the public’s snap judgments, particularly from paparazzi shots that lack narrative context.
  • "You're seeing these outfits out of context…[but] the costumes are supposed to tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great standalone outfits necessarily." (Kristin, 10:12)
• Social Media Scrutiny: The acceleration of critique in the Instagram/TikTok era is daunting, sometimes even altering actors’ willingness to attend events.
  • "It's scary, right? Am I going to be picked apart if I don't wear a couture gown?...So I didn’t go." (Kristin, 12:43)

3. The Complication of Choice: Who Picks the Clothes?

• Marketing vs. Character: Sometimes marketing departments or external stakeholders override designers’ original costume choices, leading to incongruent looks.
  • "That shoe. If you want a bang and a punch for a commercial...Was it character related? No." (Molly, 13:44)
  • "This is really important because everyone wants to blame the costume designer and it's so not fair because there are so many players..." (Kristin, 14:36)

4. Enduring Looks & Their Stories

• Iconic Furs & Shearlings: The origin stories of various coats, especially Charlotte’s pink shearling (a compromise after refusing a chinchilla cape) and Carrie’s "vintage" muskrat coat.
  • "There was a chinchilla cape… I had nightmares that the chinchillas came alive and were crawling all over me." (Kristin, 26:05)
  • "We did not find out that it unzipped into a short jacket until the third year." (Molly, 28:40)
• Samantha’s Fur & Nicole Miller Dress: Kim Cattrall’s unique preparation for a firehouse scene, including taping her ankles to slide down a fireman’s pole easier—details only noticed if you look closely.
  • "Kim insisted on taping her ankles in white gauze so she could slide down the pole easier. And if you watch that episode, you see it." (Molly, 30:47)
• Flowers and Accessories: The birth of Carrie’s iconic flowers, sourced from a fancy New York shop on Sarah Jessica’s inspiration, as well as bold, chunky jewelry that flouted TV conventions.
  • "Sarah Jessica came in that season and said, I'm into flowers... someone went to the fancy, fancy flower place on 14th street and just got boxes of them." (Molly, 32:13)
  • "Pat loved trinkets like that. She loved a horseshoe. She loved an apple. She loved a heart. Like that, to me, is so eye catching." (Molly, 61:25)

5. Men’s Fashion — Fashioning Aiden & Big

• John Corbett (Aiden): Some of his wardrobe (reservation jewelry, double denim) reflected his personal style, sometimes requiring compromise between actor and designer.
  • "His reservation jewelry was a big talking point. I remember hated it. But in order to get him to wear some of the shirts…she had to compromise." (Molly, 37:41)
  • "He is so 1 million percent the anti Big. That is true. Powerful. Right. And the jewelry kind of takes it further." (Kristin, 39:37)
• Men’s Tailoring Debate: Discussion of "ill-fitting" suits as intentional choices to communicate character (Aiden as anti-fashion, Big with chocolate brown suits).
  • "There were big discussions about this guy doesn't alter his clothes…he didn't go into the store and say [get tailoring]." (Molly, 40:40)
  • "Pat loves chocolate suits. And they're so hard to find. Or they were then. And whenever she saw one, she was like. Like, somebody's wearing that." (Molly, 41:29)

6. Iconic Dresses, Weddings, and “Too Many Cooks”

• Revisiting Milestone Outfits: Kristin and Molly reminisce about favorite and infamous dresses—like the Cavalli handkerchief top and the wrap Mugler/Donna Karan halters.
  • "I brought this because I was gonna wear it... But this is a Cavalli. It's like so of the time, right? It's so cute, isn't it?" (Kristin, 23:07)
• Charlotte’s Wedding (and Bridesmaids Drama): The Vera Wang dress, multiple fittings, Polaroid archives, and debate over bridesmaids’ color (and which designer made which dress)—with a lighthearted nod to overblown media coverage.
  • "What I remember about this is that there was some debate about whether or not everyone would be wearing matching bridesmaids dresses, and did they have to be this color? Because certain people did not want to." (Kristin, 56:01)
• Personal Mementos: Kristin shares she keeps certain iconic dresses and accessories, revealing the deep connection the cast has to their characters' clothes.

7. Body Image and Pressures of the Early 2000s

• Paparazzi & Body Shaming: Kristin recounts blunt, sometimes cruel encounters with paparazzi and the general public regarding her appearance—a reflection of the era’s toxic beauty standards.
  • "The paparazzi are there... and this woman paparazzi says to me, ‘well, you don't play Candace because you're not thin enough.’" (Kristin, 65:22)
  • "I go up to the counter to get the M&Ms, and this girl behind the counter says, ‘Oh, I can't sell you these. You shouldn't be eating these.’" (Kristin, 67:01)
• Show’s Legacy and Cultural Shifts: There’s reflection on how far things have come, but also acknowledgment of how grueling the public scrutiny was for women in media at the time, especially around body image and fashion.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the power of costume design:
  • "You bring the level of detail of each button...Trim, ribbon, tassels, buttons. She has like a column in the fitting room…" — Kristin (08:02)
• Fashion criticism out of context:
  • "You're seeing these outfits out of context…The costumes are supposed to tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great standalone outfits necessarily." — Kristin (10:12)
• On social media and fear of being critiqued:
  • "It's scary, right? Am I going to be picked apart if I don't wear a couture gown from the Runway? ...so I didn't go." — Kristin (12:43)
• On John Corbett’s Aiden:
  • "His reservation jewelry was a big talking point...In hindsight, that was a mist. You know, in my opinion, I don't think he needed jewelry like that." — Molly (37:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:51] — Molly Rogers Introduced, Season 3 Fashion Discussion Begins
• [05:23] — Kristin on building personalized designer relationships for Charlotte
• [08:02] — Praise for Molly’s eye for detail and stories of reconstructing outfits
• [10:12] — Problems with public criticism, paparazzi, and context-free fashion
• [14:36] — Disputes between marketing, directors, actors, and costume designers over final choices
• [23:07] — Cavalli handkerchief top and rooftop cookout anecdotes
• [26:05] — The infamous chinchilla cape and Charlotte’s pink shearlings
• [28:40] — Discovery of Carrie’s fur coat as detachable
• [30:47] — Kim Cattrall’s firehouse scene: ankles taped for pole sliding
• [32:13] — Sarah Jessica Parker’s “flower period”—trend origins
• [37:41] — John Corbett (Aiden), his jewelry, and double-denim debated
• [54:55] — Inside scoop on bridesmaids’ dress and Charlotte’s wedding drama
• [65:22] — Kristin recounts paparazzi body-shaming, pressures of the time

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Tone and Language

The episode is candid, friendly, and sprinkled with industry humor. Both Kristin and Molly speak frankly yet affectionately about each other, collaborators, and the industry pressures, always with a note of optimism and nostalgia. There’s a confessional, almost slumber-party vibe to their shared stories, resonating especially with fans interested in fashion, TV production, and the women's experience in media.

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen (or read!) for fans who want a blend of nostalgia, insider know-how, and reflections on both the triumphs and challenges of making Sex and the City’s costumes so iconic. Kristin and Molly’s rapport offers both entertainment and genuine insight, inviting listeners to appreciate that behind every memorable TV outfit are dozens of stories—of art, compromise, and sometimes, a little bit of drama.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

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[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

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[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

Thank you so much for having me again. It's so fun to talk to you.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's amazing to have you back. Thank you for joining me from your vacation. Apparently. Apparently vacating. I mean, what's happening?

[Molly Rogers]

I don't know. I just. By the way, I just want to say it's horrible here because I don't want anybody coming.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, I saw the picture you put on Instagram. Instagram. Of the traffic, which is, of course, a Sandy. Sandy path. I was just immediately filled with jealousy.

[Molly Rogers]

I am not going to say anything about this paradise. It is fantastic.

[Kristen Davis]

You're in a secret location.

[Molly Rogers]

I have done my homework.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, good.

[Molly Rogers]

Looked at how jam packed that season was.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, season three, we had to have you back on to revisit season three because it is incredible.

[Molly Rogers]

There is so much in there. And can I just say, and I don't know if this was your experience. Season three was when we started going into stores and people were like, oh, yeah, I know that show. Definitely really starting to borrow. And yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, I do absolutely remember that. And I feel like, you know, Sarah Jessica. This is when I think, to me, things clicked in my mind that Sarah Jessica had had these previous relationships with designers. Right. And had known them and gone to events with them. And she understood, you know, kind of the personal side of it in terms of.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

How to go about that relationship and being respectful, of course, and returning everything when you were supposed to and all of that. And that was when I started trying to find, you know, who I liked number one, who. Who fit me number two, and then trying to kind of develop those relationships, whether it be through going to fashion week, to their show, or, you know, getting to know, like, the personal shopper at Prada was our close friend for a long time.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, that's right.

[Kristen Davis]

Remember, she was fantastic.

[Molly Rogers]

Well, I remember. Yeah, she was great. And I remember Kevin, too. Who's there.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Amazing. Amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

Well, you educated yourself so, so quickly.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Molly Rogers]

Because that was kind of unexplored territory in a weird way for telev.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, very much so. I mean, obviously, we weren't television. We were hbo.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, like, yeah, true. But I remember people we go to ask for something. And people were like, sex in the City. Is that some show about orgasm? Like, they didn't. They wanted to see it first before they played with us.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, for sure. For sure. And I feel like it was also the year. This is the year that we got nominated for the Emmy, which was, like, for me, I remember everything about that so vividly. And the wow, like, the shock. Do you remember how shocked we were? And the fact that we then win it eventually, like, the next year also just still insane to think about, because no HBO comedy had ever been nominated, much less one, you know? And we always thought that the Sopranos would be the ones. And of course, they also were. But it was so wonderful that we were thought of in that way.

[Molly Rogers]

Exactly. So heavy hitters.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

In it. Yeah. I just have to say.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Your hair.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Molly Rogers]

And your skin is always flawless.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you, baby. This is neglected hair that is very, very long. Okay. It's very, very long and slightly dead on the ends from work, so it needs some. Some love. But you're looking fantastic there on your vacay.

[Molly Rogers]

Well, let's just say, oh, this paradise. Not telling you my GPS location at all. Never come here. It's horrible.

[Kristen Davis]

I will not.

[Molly Rogers]

I will not.

[Kristen Davis]

But I'm happy that you're getting some rest because we couldn't have you on for a while because you were working. You have been busy, busy, busy, busy lady.

[Molly Rogers]

I have. And it was, as you can imagine, an incredible experience that you gals trained me really well for.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm just gonna tell everybody. So Molly was doing the Devil Wears Prada, too. She was on the Dev War is part of one with Pat. And, you know, Molly and Pat have been with us since the very, very beginning. Well, Molly was not on the pilot. She was on episode one, so, you know, episode two, I guess. Right. But that's pretty much the very beginning. 1998. And we love her desperately, people. Desperately. And as Sarah Jessica and I have many, many, many times discussed, the level of detail that you bring to everything you do is beyond. Like, we have. Neither of us have ever worked with anyone that brings the level of detail of each button. Molly has an obsession with buttons. You guys. You do buttons and tassels and trim. Okay, yeah. Trim, ribbon, tassels, buttons. She has, like, a column in the. You know, in the fitting room that I think you guys have seen the pictures on Instagram. I'll repost when we air this of. She has, like, a column where, like, buttons. Like, sheets of buttons that she got in, like, midtown, You Know, like, there's ribbon store in midtown. Molly will go and she will find all these ribbons and bring the ribbons back and make earrings out of them for you. Okay. Like, earrings.

[Molly Rogers]

So crafty.

[Kristen Davis]

No, it is crafty because it's, like, old school, you know? You also will take a dress completely apart and re. Put it together, obviously, with our wonderful Taylor, Adrian, or, you know, totally, whomever you're working.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, I'm sure those ribbon stores and button stores are probably not there anymore. They are losing. Losing the garment center as we speak.

[Kristen Davis]

That's upsetting.

[Molly Rogers]

And I learned detail is for winners from those control freaks. Pat. Sj. Yeah. And I guess you.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no, you taught me, babe.

[Molly Rogers]

You taught me attention to everything.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

And as we know these days, that is so true. What people pay attention to.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, yeah, you were. You were.

[Molly Rogers]

The minutia.

[Kristen Davis]

The minutiae. Yeah, absolutely.

[Molly Rogers]

It's not pleasant.

[Kristen Davis]

No, the minutia is a little bit much. And as we talked about with a different. A different person who was on a couple weeks ago, the bizarre paparazzi, you know, like continual paparazzi all day long, which you guys also got on Prada, is I. I think, in some ways detrimental because you're seeing these outfits out of context. Like, I remember when we came back within, just like that, we. We knew that we had killed Big. But not everybody knew, thank goodness. We had to keep it top secret. So people were just so confused why Carrie was dressing like that. And I, I. It was so frustrating because they don't know the plot or the story. Thank goodness they don't. Right. But you're seeing just. You're being inundated all day long with the paparazzi pictures on your Instagram, and, And you're thinking, why is she wearing that? You know, and it makes no sense. Whereas if you knew the plot, it might make sense. But I feel like you've already gone through this gauntlet of judgment from the paparazzi pictures, which is really unfair because the costumes are supposed to tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great standalone outfits necessarily.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. They're not commercials like in the conjecture, which is what you're talking about, too, that goes on and on. Why would she wear that? I just experienced a little taste of what may be coming at me. There was a teaser release.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, honey. I know.

[Molly Rogers]

Do you. Did it hit you, too?

[Kristen Davis]

Listen, I follow everything because I love you so much, and so I'm always. And I'm not. I don't even obviously text you if it's stressy, because I'm like, I know she's stressing.

[Molly Rogers]

I need your warnings.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, maybe I should warn you. I mean, look, I also feel. I mean, what I like about if I have to try to find the silver lining of the critique that's happening continually, is that when they first see something, right? When. When Instagram, TikTok, whatever, first experiences something, they'll. They say their gut reaction, like, why would Miranda Presley be wearing, you know, what you call them? Studs. What are they called? Which? What? Valentino. Valentino. Rockstead. Thank you so much.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Why?

[Molly Rogers]

Why?

[Kristen Davis]

Why? And then they were like, there's this shoe. There'. Shoe. There's this shoe. And, I mean, it is a kind of a tyranny in a way. Like, I was invited to something recently, and I really just was, like, frozen. I thought, like, I don't know if everyone is going to be wearing couture gowns from the Runway or, like, a black dress to look decent and whatever, but, like, all the people, and I love them all. I love Nikki Bell. I'm all for them, and I love their point of view. But, like, it's scary, right? Am I going to be picked apart if I don't wear a couture gown from the Runway? I don't know. It's so scary. So I didn't go.

[Molly Rogers]

Live my life.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I'm just trying to live my life.

[Molly Rogers]

I know.

[Kristen Davis]

And I wanted to support. It was for Clooney, and I wanted to support, but I didn't go because I was. I don't have an outfit that they're not going to kill me for, so I didn't go. But it's the same with these teasers, right? You put out a teaser. I thought it was fantastic. And then first they're like, she would never wear a rock stud. That was 19. Whatever. Blah, blah, blah. I don't know what year it was. 2000.

[Molly Rogers]

What is the message here? Yeah, right.

[Kristen Davis]

What is the message? But what I loved is that it did come around. Like, first they were like, no, no, no, that's terrible. Whatever. Then. And they were like, this is a better choice. This is a better choice. Which always cracks me up also. Right. And also, you're working with actors who have an opinion. And I'm not saying Meryl chose that shoe. I don't know who chose that shoe. And you don't have to tell us.

[Molly Rogers]

But I want to.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, great. Tell us.

[Molly Rogers]

Tell us who chose the shoe sometimes. Well, I wasn't in the room of Course.

[Kristen Davis]

But, oh, no.

[Molly Rogers]

Sometimes you're in a room with people like marketing people who think they know better than you. And that shoe. If you want a bang and a punch for a commercial. Yeah, that's an attentive, you know, that's like a bold statement. Was it character related? No.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Molly Rogers]

So it was insisted on and both shoes, mine and theirs was shot. And then when I saw the teaser, I was. Who did that? Oh, Molly. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

That's so upsetting. You guys. This is really important because everyone wants to blame the costume designer and it's so not fair because there are so many players. The director, the actor, he has a.

[Molly Rogers]

Very good opinion, you know, very Frankel.

[Kristen Davis]

David Frankel, director. And he has a good opinion and is respectful, I believe, you know, to Molly, which is wonderful. And then the actor sometimes has opinions.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, certainly they have a bunion or something.

[Kristen Davis]

Sure. They might have. They might have some, some like real, actual walking issues. Like a serious issue. That's true. Like, there are some people that they, they cannot wear the super high heels. And then there's some people, they might be really, really good at it. I'm not going to name names right now. But then they hurt their foot in a certain shoe and that kind of hobbles them. And then you are just like trying, like one time, I know, for, for, you know, for myself, I was trying to wear those super high heels. I was like, I can still do it. Na na na na na. And then we were doing the dress for when I fall on the mattress in the art gallery. Art gallery, right. And for some reason I chose those lunatic level Louboutins that Zendaya wears. I think we just thought they look good with the dress in the room. I forgot everything that I have to do in those shoes. And then after that, I was in some pain and there was a coffee. No, it's not coffee shop. The Mario's place, you know, the bread place.

[Molly Rogers]

Hot fellas.

[Kristen Davis]

Hot fellas. Good job, Molly. Yes. Hot fellas. I'm in Hot fellas. I have to get up at one table and one walk to the other table and my feet hurt so badly that I kind of teeter totter across the room in like the saddest way.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kristen Davis]

Because it was like the week after or whatever, you know what I'm saying? So like I had, I had done myself in in the gallery and then I was still wearing those really high shoes because I think we had them in like every color, you know, And.

[Molly Rogers]

I had thought to myself, paying for it, right?

[Kristen Davis]

And I was like, we're just sitting in the restaurant, right? It'll be fine. But I forgot I had to go talk to the other moms.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh my gosh. But I have to say that I think was because of the physicality in the gallery, because you are pretty pretty, you know, stealth and good and really tall ones. Like truly, I'm.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm usually pretty good. It was, it was that I had to run in them and then fall and we had my stunt double, but she never did it because that's how it always happens, right? So I did it like 40 times maybe, you know, kind of cuckoo level. And I think it was pretty late at night, you know, which is our way. Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes. Shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay, it's not just shopping. It's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery. And I found the most amazing Mugler jacket. And the costume department loved it and it felt so good and I still have it at home. Like when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magnet in 2007 and never got over. Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee eBay things people love.

[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Doug]

And Doug, what a horrible call. Hey, ref.

[Molly Rogers]

Open your eyes. Ref.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Doug]

Nope, that's not it.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

I think that in through their untrained eye and not just seeing like a gold grommet, they thought that has a lot of punch.

[Kristen Davis]

Interesting.

[Molly Rogers]

Gotta get a lot for our money. They didn't think that these things are translated into character. She would never.

[Kristen Davis]

No, probably not. No, no, no.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow. It's too flashy for her.

[Kristen Davis]

It's flashy and it's also like just slightly not current.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. But it's like things happen as you know.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. This is important to be on the record about, I think because sometimes people want to just take you to task and I feel like it's very unfair. It's very unfair. And there's some things in this episode, I mean, this, the season, I guess we're Looking at the whole season, season three, which is like the year 2000. Right. Which is kind of a long time ago, but it's also so amazing how incredibly current things really look.

[Molly Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

Which is bizarre to me. Is it because the 90s, or whatever they want to consider is the 90s is kind of back or like, is it just that they're timelessly good outfits?

[Molly Rogers]

I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at all your references from this jam packed season.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. It's a lot.

[Molly Rogers]

And I see things that are very, you know, like a lot of Cavalli on Carrie.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I know, I know. Listen, I brought. I brought my Cavalli. I. I need to show this to you guys. I'm gonna put it on the Instagram, because I brought this because I was gonna wear it. Okay. And it looks really big how I'm holding it up right now. I was gonna wear it, but when I put it, it's like a little handkerchief. I was like, I can't wear this. I was gonna wear this in honor of our podcast because I keep this in a little drawer at home. But this is a Cavalli. It's like so of the time, right? It's so cute, isn't it?

[Molly Rogers]

Absolutely. The fabric and the crystal, the glitter. It's like Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

I wore this on the rooftop. Remember? The baking hot.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. The cookout.

[Kristen Davis]

The cookout, yes. The end of the season with that iconic picture, if I do say so myself, of us laughing when our feet had sunken into the tar. Because that was the level of heat we were dealing with that day.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. Those things you remember.

[Kristen Davis]

It is. And also the elevators broke, and so we were walking up and down the stairs of that very tall building. Yes, yes. The days.

[Molly Rogers]

Really great photo, though, I have to say. It has so much of the energy of the Dynamic 4.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree, I agree. It's. That's why it's one of my favorite all time photos. For sure.

[Molly Rogers]

Everybody looks nuts. Like Kim, Kim, Kim in a two piece gingham outfit. She looks like, you know, it's fantastic. Mary Ann from Gilligan.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

What it was. Yes. How far can we push this? They're having a cookout. Gingham. Two pieces.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

Glitter Cavalli.

[Kristen Davis]

Glitter Cavalli. And I think I was wearing, like a short skirt and I never get up because I'm. And I'm like kind of tugging at the skirt. Like, you just know. Pat was like, wear it.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, you. I love when you imitate her because you sound like her.

[Kristen Davis]

You Know, I don't think I do it justice at all. Not at all.

[Molly Rogers]

I try.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you? It's hard. It's hard. Okay, let's start a little bit at the beginning. If you will allow me, I have my phone. Oh, fantastic.

[Molly Rogers]

So I can reference what you're talking about.

[Kristen Davis]

Of course. Of course.

[Molly Rogers]

I have a few stories, as you do as well.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I can't wait. I think you're gonna have stories that I don't even remember. Okay, this is the episode. It's called Where There's Smoke, and we go to Staten Island. Now, the thing that I remember, whenever we would go back to work, because this is the first episode of the season, right? And obviously, we're shooting two episodes at the same time, so I think the next one. The first one's where there's smoke, and the next one is politically incorrect with.

[Molly Rogers]

Right, yeah, that makes. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Kristen Davis]

So we would always film two at once. And I remember every year, because it was February, that we'd go back to work, but the show didn't come on till June. So we're freezing, like, rising. New York City in February is so king cold, you guys. And I am a lightweight. I'm a southerner, as is Molly. I like my hot humidity. It's like, what I live for. So I'm always freezing cold. And Pat always wanted us in furs. And I believe this was the year I never wanted to wear the fur. I always begged, please, please don't make me wear the fur. And she was like, no, it's wonderful. It's fabulous. And I had to go to Bergdorf's. I want to say to the fur department. Do you remember this? Like, it was either Bergdorf or it.

[Molly Rogers]

Might have been Sacks Sachs was where they would loan them out.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

And there was a cape.

[Molly Rogers]

Mem.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. This was a trauma for me. All right. This was, like, up there in the trauma level, there was a chinchilla cape, and she really loved it for Charlotte. Now, look, I get it. Capes are fantastic. And it was kind of soft, but it had the little chinchilla, and it just looks like little chinchillas. And I went home that night, and I had nightmares that the chinchillas came alive and were crawling all over me. And so then I was like, pat, I can't sleep thinking about that chinchilla cape. Like, please don't make me wear it. Please don't make me. I would wear her down. I would, like, keep on begging and begging and begging and end up in the Shearling. That was, like, as far as I could get her down. And some of these pink shearlings that I wear are still on people's favorite Charlotte outfits ever.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, this. That's what you wore on the ferry.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly.

[Molly Rogers]

Right?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Yep.

[Molly Rogers]

And I think I have confused with the baseball game.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I have a different one there. I think every year she would get me in a pink shearling. And then there's one coming up when Sarah Jessica's pregnant and we're cold and I'm wearing a pink shearling that people put in, like, top 10 Charlotte. You know, I'll post on the Instagram. It's not in this season, but I mean, like, I think three or four seasons, she found somehow a pink shearling for me to wear, which, you know, was a good. A good compromise for me at the time.

[Molly Rogers]

I think of Pat's top 10 disappointments. You rejecting the chinchilla cape is probably way up there, but, I mean, that sounds like her.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it up there. But can I say that she's got Kim in some major furs? I mean, obviously, we also have the vintage fur, which we should touch on a bit. Carrie's vintage fur, which we have. Now.

[Molly Rogers]

May I speak?

[Kristen Davis]

Please do. Please do.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay. Now, I believe I am correct. At the time, I was so curious. What is that? I believe I was told it is muskrat. Have you ever heard this?

[Kristen Davis]

No, I have not. It's musk.

[Molly Rogers]

That is what I believe. Because that is morphed into. It's an opossum coat. It's not. Oh, God. I remember. I remember calling Ina's. And I believe that's what it was. Now, it was not until season three. And this picture that you have of her wearing it with. We had it for three years. It was the first thing we bought Carrie right.

[Kristen Davis]

At Ina's.

[Molly Rogers]

We did not find out that it unzipped into a short jacket until the third year.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't even know this.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, it's longer. Oh, we had no idea until somebody looked at and goes, hey, this thing gets shorter. Wasn't that fabulous?

[Kristen Davis]

That is fabulous. But wait, did we have another piece or is this it?

[Molly Rogers]

That's the shorty version.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, got it. Because. Yes. There's a one where it comes below her knee, Right?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Garden.

[Molly Rogers]

That is a fabulous thing.

[Kristen Davis]

It is. Let me ask you. It's not Pierre Cardin, Correct?

[Molly Rogers]

No. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

The Internet thinks it is. It's not you guys.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's like a no name, isn't it?

[Molly Rogers]

I Don't think so.

[Kristen Davis]

I think Sarah thinks it's a no name.

[Molly Rogers]

I'm not sure about that. I mean, they have season one and two continuity books at hbo.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, well, we better get them before someone is hbo. And we can't get this right before it.

[Molly Rogers]

Netflix. Yeah, but it's really difficult because it's all of our handwritings on Polaroids. Wait, and it's not.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, the Polaroid books are at HBO Digital.

[Molly Rogers]

Digital.

[Kristen Davis]

Digital copy. Got it.

[Molly Rogers]

Got it. One and two episode. I mean, season one and two. Got it. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow, that's interesting. I mean, Sarah Jessica feels like it's a vintage no name that came from Ina, you know, in the very beginning. Right.

[Molly Rogers]

She could be right. I remember. You know, as you do find in vintage coats, someone's monogrammed initials in the right chest lining.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Like a person.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would make sense. So it was definitely passed down through to Ina, but I just found that to be so interesting to find that it had a piece that came away.

[Kristen Davis]

It's very cool. Now look at this crazy fur that she's got. Kim in here for the fire station, I believe. And then she takes it off.

[Molly Rogers]

I have a little story for you if you're interested in this.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

Number one, that was a Nicole Miller dress, which I'm sure you remember. Nicole Miller.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

And I'll never forget that night. Kim insisted on taping her ankles in white gauze so she could slide down the pole easier. And if you watch that episode, you see it.

[Kristen Davis]

What? I must re.

[Podcast Host]

Watch.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't even notice. Well, that's something. How did she even know that? That's so interesting.

[Molly Rogers]

She thought it would grease her better. But you see them if you're looking.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm gonna look back now. I'm gonna look back. I mean, I thought the whole thing was very bold. I had not really remembered everything that she did. And she looks so cute when she puts the little suspenders over her naked self.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that was. That's cute.

[Kristen Davis]

It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But I think that Pat took all the furs that I wouldn't wear and just made Kim wear bigger furs.

[Molly Rogers]

Totally, totally. That color's too hot for Charlotte. Give it over to Samantha.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, also, I think that it would swallow me and you couldn't see my head. You know what I mean, Rob?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of coat.

[Kristen Davis]

It's a lot of coat. It's a lot of coat. She can pull it off. I think also when we see Sarah with Slattery is when we really start to see the flowers. So I was wondering if you remember how did it start? Did you realize what you were doing? Like what did.

[Molly Rogers]

Sarah Jessica came in that season and said, I'm into flowers. What she saw that inspired her. I don't remember the person in history that she was like, I want to bring those back. So someone went to the fancy, fancy flower pace on 14th street and just got boxes of them. And it was a really great thing to introduce. It's. It was so viral, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It still is. It still is. So you guys just went and bought a bunch of. Of fake flower pins or just fake flowers and so sewed them on things.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. And they were so beautiful. From that store had a such a fabulous name like Sherman and Oaks.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, that's fun. Did we have Niall at this time on the show as our tailor?

[Molly Rogers]

I think so.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like we must have. Right. She was so amazing also.

[Molly Rogers]

Or trillion.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, trillion. Trillion. So great. Oh my gosh. Trillion. We've had some.

[Molly Rogers]

We all. We broke all their spirits.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no. Because you guys, it. There's no harder job.

[Molly Rogers]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean every single outfit for every single person has to be tailored within an inch of its life.

[Molly Rogers]

Absolutely. Tailoring jeans for Carrie I Burger. Burger wanted his T shirt sleeve a quarter of an inch shorter, which almost. We lost our minds.

[Kristen Davis]

See, it's the people you least expect. Right. Like if you look at Sarah Jessica and you were like, yes, that would be hard to find. Jeans that would fit that tiny little body. That makes sense, but.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, it doesn't necessarily make sense that Burger would want his T shirts. According. That. That's interesting.

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Doug]

And Doug, what a horrible call. Hey, ref.

[Molly Rogers]

Open your eyes. Ref.

[Kristen Davis]

You're really not gonna call that? Come on. Hey, ref, why don't you customize your car insurance with Liberty Mutual and save money. I don't think you get what we're doing. Sure I do. We're all just giving him advice. You guys on sports, me on saving money.

[Doug]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Molly Rogers]

Oh. Oh, that's a story.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, tell us.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay. And then, you know, all these little tidbits. I mean, it's just what happened. I mean, no, no one any harm. But you know, his reservation jewelry was a big talking point. I remember hated it. But in order to get him to wear some of the shirts she was interested in, she had to compromise.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Molly Rogers]

But in hindsight, that was a mist. You know, in my opinion, I don't think he needed jewelry like that.

[Kristen Davis]

It was interesting when I watched it because obviously I know Corbett, and I obviously know that is his jewelry, but. And I also know that that's his double denim, you know?

[Molly Rogers]

Okay. You know him well.

[Kristen Davis]

I do. I mean, don't we all? Right. Because Corbin is a pretty big personality. He's not somebody who's just like, oh, yeah, I'll wear whatever you want. That's just not. John is. He has a lot of opinions and, you know, feels very much like this is who the character is or isn't.

[Molly Rogers]

But the thing that I liked.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too. I mean, you need that. And I think that in our world, from the men, you really needed that because, you know, they needed to be feeling confident and like, they could make their own statement. Right. Because it was so much our show. Right.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. We got to them. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

It was hard.

[Molly Rogers]

They wanted to be one of the divas, for sure.

[Kristen Davis]

And more power to them. I'm all for it, but, like, for him, when I looked back on the show, first of all, I didn't remember him having that little baby face. It really just like, oh, that little baby face. John is just something. Right. And the long hair. He is so 1 million percent the anti big. That is true. Powerful. Right. And the jewelry kind of takes it. It further.

[Molly Rogers]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So from that perspective, I got it. Like, he's not New York City. He's not, you know, fashion. He's Is his own thing.

[Molly Rogers]

That's really important to bring up.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, but Pat, as a true New Yorker, did not understand a turquoise ring.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, like a huge, huge.

[Molly Rogers]

She was not interested. I love it.

[Kristen Davis]

I get it. I get it.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

And then there's this one thing I want to talk about too, because it has to do with him. And I don't know if it was you guys or him, because one of the things when I look at the show, the old. Really. Because now we're in 2000, which is really right on the cusp of the 90s, right. When he comes to my wedding, which he doesn't come to. Right. Aiden doesn't come because they end up breaking up. Remember this? Right outside the wedding, but he's dressed to come to the wedding. He's wearing this massive suit. Okay. And it's brown, and it's like, not tailored. It's like kind of flowy. It's strange. What is that about?

[Molly Rogers]

First of all, when I saw your note about that, I was like, brown. That. That's so odd.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Molly Rogers]

You know, and I think there were big discussions about this guy doesn't alter his clothes. You know, he's not turned. You know, he didn't go to a tailor. He didn't go into the store and say, you know, I thought it was something like opinions that wanted it, you know, not ill fitting.

[Kristen Davis]

And it really. It really was to the point where I was like, what's going on? But also at that point in time, because the season before, we've got big getting engaged to Natasha and he's also wearing a brown jacket. And I'm like, oh, the brown, like. And it's not the brown that we would use now if we did use brown. Right. It's like a black.

[Molly Rogers]

Pat loves chocolate suits. And they're so hard to find. Or they were then.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Molly Rogers]

And whenever she saw one, she was like. Like, somebody's wearing that.

[Kristen Davis]

No way.

[Molly Rogers]

She loved them.

[Kristen Davis]

That's weird.

[Molly Rogers]

They were so sexy and chocolatey and I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow, that's super interesting. It's also, to me, there was like a change happening in suiting for men, but it hadn't really happened yet. Like, Tom Ford hadn't really happened yet. You know, there were things that were coming that were going to really change. Tailoring, how we looked at tailoring, what we expected. And whereas he had always been beautifully tailored because he was. He was playing like a, you know, media dude, whatever. Right? A finance dude, whatever he's supposed to be.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But everyone else is. You're like, huh, what are they wearing? But I kind of like that. Okay, wait, I have a question.

[Molly Rogers]

So funny. I need to watch that again for John's brown suit. That's hilarious.

[Kristen Davis]

It's like.

[Molly Rogers]

And then on. And just like that, we had him in a suit that didn't fit when he went to that other. Remember that?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, but that was a story point. Right, but then they cut that scene, didn't they? Did they cut the scene where he. They think there's a big and tall shop on the corner, but it's gone. I think we refer to it.

[Molly Rogers]

We refer to it.

[Kristen Davis]

But he's got those short pants. But it's so funny. It's really. It's so obviously funny. Did you not think it was funny? Were you dying?

[Molly Rogers]

We did. We were hoping that you would see that they were short, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

I think you did. When he's walking down the street with her, you know, towards us. I mean, it's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious. I mean, it is funny, you know, I don't think people also realize how tall Corbett is.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, well, you do when you see them together in a closet or, you know, for sure.

[Kristen Davis]

But somehow she. She's up there on those tiptoes.

[Molly Rogers]

He is a tall drink of water.

[Kristen Davis]

He is a tall drink of water and. And a sweetheart. All right.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm still trying to talk him into coming on the podcast, so if you run into him, Lisa, I will.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, I will pester him. He's so much fun.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, right? And we need his voice. We need his memory.

[Molly Rogers]

He's got great stories.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Right. We need it.

[Molly Rogers]

Get him.

[Kristen Davis]

I'll do my best. I'm trying. I've been texting him, but he's not responding. All right, this is Carrie.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my God. When we dance on the dance floor. Dancing to that.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Beep, beep, doot, doot, doot.

[Kristen Davis]

I think so. Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

That's so great. You two are so distinctive in your dance moves. I love that scene.

[Kristen Davis]

I think we had that choreographer there. Do you remember how anytime it said the word dance, she'd be like, where's the choreographer? Coming. Even if it was just casual. Yeah, because it was scary. You know, we were scared. We were always scared of dancing. You know what I mean? You know, And I'm happy. I'm happy that we did. I also. I have that bag that I have on my. On my arm when I'm dancing. I think it's Celine. And it's white. It's like a white rhinestone. I should have brought that in.

[Molly Rogers]

Body. Cool.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. I do have it. I do. I have two of them. Because at some point. Yeah. Isn't that strange? It doesn't look anything like Seline of today. Nothing.

[Molly Rogers]

That's pretty impressive. I'm glad you have it. I can't wait to talk about another outfit of yours. I'm praying you have it.

[Kristen Davis]

Which one?

[Molly Rogers]

I. I'll hold. I'll hold.

[Kristen Davis]

We can always get it. No, no. Whatever's on your mind, Go. It's fine.

[Molly Rogers]

Halter dress that ties in the front.

[Kristen Davis]

The When? Tiffany's. Yes, of course. That's a good one. And apparently it's Versace. Is that right? I don't even remember that. No?

[Molly Rogers]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

Is it Mugler? Yeah, I thought it was Mugler, too. Sometimes the Internet has things wrong, you guys. I don't want to break anybody's spirit or anything, but Sometimes I look at the. The little captions, I'm like, no, no, that's not it. Here we go. It's a good one. It's a really good one. And I feel like we have had perfect with that. Thank you. They did great, didn't they? I think this is when I had that really nice French guy.

[Molly Rogers]

Guy.

[Kristen Davis]

What was his name? Like, Pierre maybe. He used to give me the most amazing blowout. My whole neck would be like getting pulled off my, off my shoulders in the trailer. But it was worth it, you know what I'm saying?

[Molly Rogers]

Wow. Like, he'd just be like, how to manipulate hair.

[Kristen Davis]

Big time. Big time.

[Molly Rogers]

That's like movie star Elizabeth Taylor.

[Kristen Davis]

Thanks, babe. I mean, I think what we were going for because we knew we were going to end up. This is McDougall. Charles McDougall is directing this we. Which of course, one of my all time favorites. I thought he really understood a great guy and he understood Charlotte and he understood Charlotte and Trey and he always had like such interesting, creative camera things he would do, you know, and he always came to work in that beautiful suit. So he understood fashion.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah. He was a cool cucumber, that one.

[Kristen Davis]

He really was.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So I think we were going for like an Audrey Hepburn esque but like modern and casual version, you know, like, not trying too hard.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. It looks so amazing in that dress.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you, baby.

[Molly Rogers]

That holds up for real.

[Kristen Davis]

It definitely does. And I don't own it, which is really sad. But can I tell you there's some really funny details here. So number one, we have done this dress, different versions of this dress through the years. Like, do you remember?

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

The movie. I have a white version which I think is also Mugler, which I do own. That's like a wrap. It wraps around and is backless that we wore when I have that hot nanny. Do you remember that? When the hot nanny comes out in the slow mo with her bosoms nipples. Exactly. And I love that dress. That dress you could get out and wear right now, no problem.

[Molly Rogers]

Totally. That is a classic Charlotte silhouette. Backless halter, full skirt. It's just a no brainer.

[Kristen Davis]

Love it. Then I have these. I don't know if you can see them. They're some kind of strappy shoe.

[Doug]

Shoe.

[Kristen Davis]

It's white. I literally have worn that shoe in many different iterations through the years, including in. And just like that. Do you remember when you go over and over, Right. Over and over and over. We go to stock Natasha down in the. In. In Soho on the Pebbles. And I'm wearing these with that Amelia maxi.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. The sailboat. I know. Isn't that funny? I don't even think we're intellectually doing it.

[Molly Rogers]

No, I think it's a part of our cell DNA.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. It's a part of our cell DNA. Oh, my God, I love it. Wait, I don't even know. I'm not. I'm not really in order, but it's fun times, so I don't care.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay. Sorry we flipped.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no, I totally am glare now. For some reason I'm in episode 10, but I think that's cause I had to find the mugler. But it just reminds me that I have this Donna Karan dress that I wore. Do you remember this? The blue Donna Karan to the engagement party yesterday? I know. I still own this. It's in storage.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember how much you loved that dress.

[Kristen Davis]

I passionately.

[Molly Rogers]

Did you find that dress and make us get it?

[Kristen Davis]

I think I did, but when I look at it, I think it's a weird choice. And I think it's so interesting. Like, I don't know what was going on in my own mind other than that. But as you started the. The talking about the season, saying it was when we really did get to start really borrowing designer stuff. And I remember feeling like I couldn't fit in designer stuff because it was still very narrow in the hips, how they were cutting things.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

So I was always so anxious that I wasn't going to be able to fit into it, which is actually part of how I found Prada. Because Prada is cut in a more like 1940s way, you know?

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

More like for. Yeah, yeah. Hips and waist and all the things. And Donna Karen is, like, so user friendly. Right. So this is Donna Karen. And it's a very cool and weird dress. And in some ways, also kind of not in some ways, when I look at it, not what Charlotte would actually be wearing to her engagement party with Trey and Bunny.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, it's very watery and soft. Chiffon.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. My Piscean self took over. And you somehow let me.

[Molly Rogers]

Let's say Pat was into that.

[Kristen Davis]

She must have been. And the thing that I do like about it is that. Is that here Charlotte is marrying into this, like, you know, bastion of preppiness, storied family.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, uptight Bunny's wearing all the, you know, Chanel boxy jacket jackets and everything. And she shows up in this, which in some ways I think is great, because, like, she could have just looked like everybody else. She could have been wearing pearls. She could have been wearing Chanel. You know.

[Molly Rogers]

A hair ribbon.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. All the things that we do later.

[Molly Rogers]

Right? A dupe of Bunny.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. I love that she didn't. That we didn't.

[Molly Rogers]

That was. That was cool.

[Kristen Davis]

But I don't know if I meant it or not. You know what I mean? Isn't it. It is odd. And I kept this thing and I'm so glad and I should get it out. But I feel like I'm too old to wear it. I don't know.

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[Molly Rogers]

That. You have beautiful shoulders. Oh, gosh. I love this. I think that's correctly identified.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah, I do. I do. I do. And I don't own it, sadly. It's really good. I wish I did. It's really good. It's also funny because this is so good. A tiny, tiny houndstooth, which I'm sure they probably told us would stroke. And it so didn't.

[Molly Rogers]

Well, wow. I love the detail of that front chest.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too.

[Molly Rogers]

So pretty.

[Kristen Davis]

Beautifully.

[Molly Rogers]

And that is very appropriate.

[Kristen Davis]

Very appropriate. Very appropriate. With. With Anthony and Vera Wang. Definitely. Now, let's just talk about the wedding for a second. I think you and I talked about the wedding before and many, many headlines were written. Okay. About how when I jokingly said, you know, I think Sarah Jessica's still mad at me about those bridesmaids dresses. I mean, literally, like 30 headlines, Sarah Jessica Angry with Kristen Davis.

[Molly Rogers]

No, you got to fill me in.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm joking.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, so remember, tell me everything.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. So I'm getting married. Charlotte's getting married. Right. In our Vera Wang. Which I have a literal stack of Polaroids of our fittings that we did. Which I will get to in a second. But what I remember. And you tell me what you remember. So here are my ladies wearing slightly different versions of a beige satin dress. Right. Like, they each. They have their own neckline, which is really adorable.

[Molly Rogers]

Correct. Which is really great. Great.

[Kristen Davis]

Really great.

[Molly Rogers]

Did Vera make those?

[Kristen Davis]

I believe so, but I'm not 100. Sure. Yeah. Either Vera or Badgley Mishka. Because my other dresses that we tried on were Badgley Mishka.

[Molly Rogers]

That's right.

[Kristen Davis]

And then I wear Badgley Mishka for Charlotte's second wedding because they are, like, lovely individuals. Anyway, the second one. I know, but what I remember about this is that there was some debate about whether or not everyone would be wearing matching bridesmaids dresses, and did they have to be this color? Because certain people did not.

[Molly Rogers]

Did not want to. That color.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, I'm with you.

[Kristen Davis]

And I remember there being a lot of debates.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember this.

[Kristen Davis]

And I remember also there's been, like, a ton of debate about my wedding dress. Even though when you really look at all the. All the pictures, I mean, we had, like, 10 wedding dresses that were all amazing and could have been great, but there were so many cooks in the kitchen.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. This was. This caused a war. I believe.

[Kristen Davis]

I believe it did.

[Molly Rogers]

I believe it did. It was pretty. Pretty discussed, let's say, healthily discussed.

[Kristen Davis]

Healthily discussed for quite some time. I think that's the other thing is that there was a big lead up to it, right? So it gave everyone time to weigh in and then.

[Molly Rogers]

And spin around.

[Kristen Davis]

And spin around. I know. And I remember at my. At a certain point, I didn't care. I didn't care at all. I was just like, whatever. They're all great. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I think that the idea with Charlotte, because we all knew it would be very traditional, you know, big, whatever you would call it. Right? But, like, I have some here. I don't know if you can see where they're, like, more fitted. They're less poofy. This is the one I ended up in, which is very poofy. But then there was also the veil conversation, like, how long this veil is, like, down to the bottom of the dress. But I had to lift the veil. Cathedral. Thank you. You know the words. I had to lift the veil. You know, in that scene with her, this is a different silhouette, but also beautiful. I mean, there's so many that I could have worn, but I think there were just a lot of thoughts about.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, a lot of cooks in that kitchen. Now you're bringing it back.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Here's a different veil that's quite poofy. You know, it was like, is it gonna be poofy? And then. I don't know if you remember when I Got married the second time. Michael Patrick sent down his notes, wrote that I had to be wearing a Chantilly lace veil. Do you remember this?

[Molly Rogers]

Vaguely.

[Kristen Davis]

And we were like, whoa. Why? What do you mean? And he said, because, Charlie Elizabeth Taylor wore one in one of her.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Many weddings. And we were like, okay, but we already picked the dress. Like, maybe. Maybe we needed to know that before we picked the dress. But I think we just wore it and it was what it was. You know what I'm saying?

[Molly Rogers]

It was all good, buddy. Came out on the Internet after you and tried to, like, crucify, because guess what? There wasn't one.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. We could. We could create in peace. This is an adorable picture. It's a much more fitted dress. And there's Pat in the background in her bucket hat. I don't know if you can see her. She's so cute. And then I have one here somewhere. This is a tight one. I'm sure everybody was like, no, Charlotte wouldn't wear that. And I probably really wanted to wear that. There's one. This is one where I have, like, a very poofy veil on. There's one. This is one. It has a big bottom, and those are patterns. That. Tennis shoes. She is under my dress, completely covered. She's trying to pull down the lining.

[Molly Rogers]

What a fabulous picture. You're kidding me. I want to see that on Instagram.

[Kristen Davis]

I will put it on Instagram for everyone to see is. You're really cute. Just your sneakers are showing, and you would never know that there's a human being under there. She's totally in.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, then I want to ask you something because your memory is so good, because it was your wedding.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

What about the Scottish plaid treatment on Carrie's Brides? Because she was.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it.

[Molly Rogers]

What do you call them?

[Kristen Davis]

The bridesmaid maid of honor. Right, right, right. I love it. I didn't remember it at all, but I love it so much because you absolutely know that was Sarah Jessica. And this is a use of you with your trims. I'm sure that you were like, could be. Yes. I will get those. Those little ribbons for you.

[Molly Rogers]

Scottish plaid section. And find something appropriate.

[Kristen Davis]

And I think there's a brooch on top of it, which is also very much, very coming.

[Molly Rogers]

Like, reminiscent of a flower.

[Kristen Davis]

Yep. So. But on the belt.

[Molly Rogers]

Very smart. Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it so much. And there is the guy. You know, obviously, Trey's wearing his kilt, which is adorable. And then there's his cousin, or whoever he is, who's Scottish that way we can't understand anything he says. Who's also wearing a kill.

[Molly Rogers]

Samantha sleeps with, I believe. Right?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, yes. And talks about how there is something under there, but it's easy to get off or something. I don't know. It's very trippy and funny. Very trippy and funny.

[Molly Rogers]

Now, how many times were you married, lady?

[Kristen Davis]

Just twice. What do you mean, you think there's more?

[Molly Rogers]

First was Trey. Yeah. Scottish?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Was the second one.

[Kristen Davis]

It's Harry.

[Molly Rogers]

It's Harry. There's nobody in between? No. Okay. You only got married twice. I'm very disappointed in you.

[Kristen Davis]

You are? You know why? We put on, like, 40 wedding dresses. So I think that's why you think I got married more. No, no. You know, Charlotte finds Harry and, you know, then. Then it's game over.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. With the world.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Exactly. And remember, he was my divorce lawyer. Lawyer from Trey. That's how I meet him. Which is so perfect. Okay, now I have this picture where my producers really want to understand this necklace. Sarah has, like, just a tube top on. Very Sarah Jessica. And then she has this big, chunky. It's like a heart or a strawberry. I can't even tell what it is. What is that?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, well, you know, we got free. You know, it was still about, where can we get stuff? We don't have any money. And Kenny J. Lane showroom was very generous.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, they're so nice.

[Molly Rogers]

Pat loved trinkets like that. She loved a horseshoe. She loved an apple. She loved a heart. She loved. Like that, to me, is so eye catching.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

In a. In a. In a childish kind of way. Like, that's a chunky thing, but it's fun.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I think it's really fun, you know? And I also think on television they usually try to get you to have very tiny, unnoticeable accessories. Right? Yeah, exactly.

[Molly Rogers]

Pull the focus. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And I think that's why it was so different. Right? And I mean, we're different in many ways, as we know. But I think that was one of the big differences. And I think for me, sometimes it took a little getting used to because I was like, that thing's so big or whatever, you know, But. But I mean, that's the. You know, the joy.

[Molly Rogers]

I'm very. Yeah. I'm very cautious about stuff like that. I'm. I get timid to. You know, I don't want. If it's a beautiful long earring and it's gonna swing through the whole bar scene, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's True. But I feel like something came over us in season three. And I mean, not so much me, because I, I, I am still playing Charlotte. But I think we were just like, Yeah, I think the newness of it all and people sending us things, we were just like, yes, we're excited. And it reminds me of this beautiful gold butterfly.

[Molly Rogers]

That's exactly what I was gonna bring up also. Kenny J. Lane.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, it's so. It just made that dress, didn't it?

[Kristen Davis]

And she wears this on the COVID of Time magazine in our photo shoot, doesn't she?

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. I believe you're right.

[Kristen Davis]

I think she does. It's hanging in my closet. I should have just checked before I came.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Because I love that it's my only picture I have hanging of us. Because I think it's so funny that it says, who needs a husband?

[Molly Rogers]

Interesting. I wonder if I have that magazine. I have so, so many.

[Kristen Davis]

You do?

[Molly Rogers]

I have boxes.

[Kristen Davis]

Where are they? Huh?

[Molly Rogers]

In the attic of the condo.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, we should look. That would be so much fun.

[Molly Rogers]

So many me.

[Kristen Davis]

Next episode.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, you're welcome to Paul through.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, that would be fun.

[Molly Rogers]

Craziest. Big, huge articles on all of you.

[Kristen Davis]

Guys and about wore it best, right? And what body shape do you have? Are you curvy? Charlotte still makes me so mad. Okay. So mad. Are you thin like Sir Jessica? I was like, you guys, Come on. I have seen recently, though, a lot of stuff on Instagram about how rough the 2000s were for women, you know, in terms of body expectations and shaming. Like, it was so intense.

[Molly Rogers]

It was intense. It was intense. Any kind of bathing suit scene would, Would unravel. Anybody? Anybody? Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, and when I agree. Oh, I know. I mean, the funny thing, Sarah Jessica has her wonderful style, but, like, when she wears those board shorts in the second season, oh, I love it so much because it's so her. Right? But if Sarah Jessica Parker can feel self conscious. Yes, anyone, Anyone can.

[Molly Rogers]

There is no hope for any of us.

[Kristen Davis]

There is no hope. There is no hope for any of us. But we were in such a pressure cooker, you know, it was really intense. And I remember, I don't know if I've told this story on the pod. I don't think I have. When we were doing the first season, when people were really confused about what the show was, right? Like, they didn't know were we like real sex on hbo, you know, in the middle of the night. They didn't know what the heck we were, Right? But people, the paparazzi at Least the fashion people in the paparazzi knew Candace Bushnell. So they knew of the article, the column, you know, the book. And I was at this event one time. I was just wearing my regular clothes. I think I was with my publicist, and we had to go by and check on another client who was at an event. So we kind of swung by after going somewhere, and I'm just in the back trying not to. You know, I'm not really there. Right. And the paparazzi are there, and they're chatting with me, and they. They're saying, what are you doing? And I was like, oh, we're working on this new show, Sex and the City, for hbo. And. And they say, oh, Sex and the City. Like. Like Candace. And. And I say, oh, yeah, yeah. It's based on. On Candace's column. And it's. This woman paparazzi says to me, well, you don't play Candace because you're not thin enough. I mean, she might have actually said, you're too heavy. I can't remember what she said. It was so mean. And I was like, no, I'm not playing Carrie. And I'm trying to be polite, and I'm like, where's my publicist? I'm going to die. And then I would see her on red carpets, and I would be so upset, and I was like, why are you like this? You're a woman.

[Molly Rogers]

Why are you a woman hater.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? And you're a paparazzi, and you're a woman paparazzi.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, come on.

[Molly Rogers]

Band together.

[Kristen Davis]

But they just be so, like, openly to your face. Do you know what I mean? Like, well, you're too heavy. You're not thin enough. You can't possibly play her. I was just like, oh, Lord. And my other thing. I don't know if I've told this story on the podcast either, but it reminds me of it.

[Molly Rogers]

It.

[Kristen Davis]

So this is when, like, weeklies were coming out, like Us Weekly people, right? There's more that have gone away, like life and Style or whatever. There were so many.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And every week my mother would be like, oh, blah, blah, blah, saying, blah, blah, blah. And I would just be like, mom, I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Because obviously they were just all about, you know, critiquing everything and. Or stirring up drama.

[Molly Rogers]

Comparisons.

[Kristen Davis]

Comparisons, yes. So one time I'd had something happen that I wasn't happy about. And so I was walking home, as we all do in New York, when you got to walk something off Right. So I'm walking something off and I stop at a, at a bodega to get some M&M's, and I go up to the counter to get the M and M's, and this girl behind the counter says, oh, I, I can't sell you these. And I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, yeah, you shouldn't be eating these.

[Molly Rogers]

Stop it.

[Kristen Davis]

Please give me my.

[Molly Rogers]

You couldn't get away with anything.

[Kristen Davis]

Please give me my Ms. Woman I need.

[Molly Rogers]

I cannot believe that story.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. This is what it was like, wow. Like people were invested in your thigh circumference. You know what I'm saying?

[Molly Rogers]

That is mind blowing.

[Kristen Davis]

It was scary. And I remember just like crying the rest of my walk like, why didn't I just say, like, give it to me. I'm trying to buy something in your store and why didn't I just go to the next. Next bodega? I don't know. But it, like, it hurt so much.

[Molly Rogers]

It threw you for a loop.

[Kristen Davis]

Threw me for a loop, which is how I felt a lot of the time back then. I have to say, honestly, if I'm just being honest. All right, we are gonna cut this into two episodes because Molly has a lot to say and we love to hear it. So please join us later in the week on Are youe with Charlotte to continue talking about season three with the Incredible Molly Rogers.

[Doug]

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[Doug]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Doug]

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