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Summary

Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte? - Episode S1 E10 "The Baby Shower" with Jenna Bush Hager

Introduction In Season 1, Episode 10 of Are You A Charlotte?, titled "The Baby Shower," host Kristin Davis delves deep into the iconic Sex and the City episode of the same name. Joining her is special guest Jenna Bush Hager, who brings personal insights and reflections on the show's enduring themes. The episode not only revisits the pivotal moments of the baby shower but also explores the broader societal pressures faced by women regarding motherhood and career.

Pressure on Women: Motherhood vs. Career A significant portion of the discussion centers around the episode's exploration of the societal pressures women face in choosing between motherhood and career aspirations. Kristin Davis shares her perspective as a single mother, highlighting the intense scrutiny and expectations placed on women to conform to traditional roles:

Kristin Davis [05:12]: "As someone who's a single mother, there's a lot of pressure to be in a couple. But I think there's even more pressure to be a mother. People look at you sideways if you reach a certain age without being a mother."

Jenna Bush Hager echoes this sentiment, recounting conversations with friends who grapple with the decision to have children:

Jenna Bush Hager [04:33]: "I do have one really good friend who is comfortable saying she doesn't want kids... I think the conversation is slightly changing, but we haven't come far enough."

Behind the Scenes: Filming "The Baby Shower" Episode Kristin reminisces about the challenges and unique experiences of filming "The Baby Shower" episode. She describes the logistical hurdles of shooting in the suburbs, likely Connecticut or Long Island, and the limited budget that required the cast and crew to commit to extended filming periods:

Kristin Davis [05:35]: "We had to get in vans and drive out to the suburbs... It felt like we were out there for weeks with all those ladies and children."

The episode marked a departure from the usual New York City settings, focusing instead on the dynamics of a baby shower, which allowed for more character development and exploration of personal aspirations.

Character Dynamics: Carrie, Samantha, Miranda, Charlotte The conversation delves into the distinct personalities and reactions of the main characters during the baby shower:

• Carrie is portrayed as contemplative and uncertain about her desires regarding motherhood.
• Samantha displays insecurity and competitiveness, a rare vulnerable moment for her character.
• Miranda grapples with self-doubt about her maternal instincts.
• Charlotte embraces the baby shower fully, highlighting her traditional values and desire for family.

Kristin reflects on how these character traits were established early on and remain relevant:

Kristin Davis [15:05]: "This is what's fun about the baby shower. We begin with Carrie getting the invitation... then we get ready to go, and Charlotte is immediately welcomed into the Mom Club because I've got the Bellini baby baskets, my ticket into the Mom Club."

Notable Scenes: Baby Shower Preparation and Jenna’s Personal Anecdotes One of the standout moments discussed is the chaotic preparation for the baby shower, where each character’s preparedness (or lack thereof) is humorously showcased. Jenna Bush Hager shares a personal story paralleling the on-screen chaos with her real-life experience of her water breaking unexpectedly during her own baby shower:

Jenna Bush Hager [23:43]: "My water broke at my baby shower... Everybody panicked... It was just kinda hilarious and shocking."

This anecdote underscores the unpredictability of life and the blend of humor and anxiety that comes with major life events.

Relevance Today: Enduring Themes Kristin emphasizes that the themes explored in "The Baby Shower" remain pertinent today. The pressures of balancing personal desires with societal expectations continue to resonate with modern audiences:

Kristin Davis [33:53]: "The topics that we used way back then in 1998 are still relevant and interesting... how does this feel to women now or men or anybody."

The episode serves as a mirror to contemporary discussions about women's autonomy, the evolving nature of friendships, and the continuous negotiation between career and family life.

Jenna Bush Hager's Reflections Jenna offers her insights on the evolution of workplace dynamics and societal expectations around motherhood. She discusses the unrealistic notion of "having it all" and the importance of supporting each other without judgment:

Jenna Bush Hager [56:28]: "Nobody's asking men... it's something may suffer, and usually what it is is our mental health... parenting is no joke."

Her reflections provide a contemporary lens through which to view the challenges faced by the characters in the episode, bridging the gap between on-screen narratives and real-life experiences.

Conclusion The episode "The Baby Shower" of Are You A Charlotte? offers a rich exploration of an early Sex and the City narrative that delves into timeless issues faced by women. Through engaging dialogue and personal stories, Kristin Davis and Jenna Bush Hager highlight the show's impact on conversations about relationships, career, and motherhood. The podcast episode not only celebrates the legacy of Sex and the City but also underscores its continued relevance in today's societal landscape.

Notable Quotes:

• Kristin Davis [05:12]: "People look at you sideways if you reach a certain age without being a mother."
• Jenna Bush Hager [04:33]: "I think the conversation is slightly changing, but we haven't come far enough."
• Kristin Davis [15:05]: "Charlotte is immediately welcomed into the Mom Club because I've got the Bellini baby baskets, my ticket into the Mom Club."
• Jenna Bush Hager [23:43]: "My water broke at my baby shower... Everybody panicked..."

Timestamps:

• Introduction & Guest: 02:41
• Pressure on Women: 05:12
• Behind the Scenes: 05:35
• Character Dynamics: 15:05
• Notable Scenes: 23:43, 33:53
• Jenna’s Reflections: 56:28

This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and conclusions drawn from the podcast episode, providing a valuable overview for both fans of Sex and the City and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? We are here to recap episode 110. That's season one, episode 10 called the Baby Shower.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I remember it.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a good one. And you're the perfect, perfect guest. I have the incredible Jenna Bush Hager. She, as you all probably know, hosts a whole hour of the Today show now called the Today Show Today with Jenna and Friends.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Which I was just on.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know. I loved having you.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing. And it's always great to see you. And I get to see you twice today, which is super exciting. And I do think you are the perfect person to talk about this episode, the Baby shower, because this is a really interesting and kind of different episode. I mean, the first season, I don't know when you last have seen the beginning.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, this is what's so crazy about. About Sex and the City is that they were like, okay, they're gonna talk about this episode. And I was like, oh, is that the one where shoes get stolen? Like, I've watched it a million times over the years, but it's crazy how much we can remember. I'm like, I think it was in the suburbs. And they were like, I don't know. And then they were like, yes, you're right.

[Kristin Davis]

It's in the suburbs. I know. That is. Part of the reason I wanted to do the podcast is that our writers were just so incredible and wrote so brilliantly about relationship things, about cultural elements of, you know, ag. And, like, one of the things we really look at in this episode is the pressure on women. Do you want to become a mother? Do you not want to become a mother? That's a pretty big, you know, issue and question for women in their 20s and 30s. And obviously, our characters are mostly in their 30s, and Samantha's a little bit older and obviously has a very strong point of view, and it's very interesting to look at. And you would think that in the 27 or 28 years since this episode aired, things would have changed, but I don't really think they have.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No. I do have one really good friend who is comfortable saying she doesn't want kids.

[Kristin Davis]

Does she live here in Manhattan?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, she lives in Texas. Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Good for her.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

She lives in Texas.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm impressed.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And I think it was a lot. It was a lot to get there because there were pressures, you know, so much pressure from society, but also from where she lives and from. From a lot of different places. And I Was like, I don't. I feel like you just don't want to have kids, and that's okay. And she's like, yeah, but I. But one. You know. And I think the conversation is slightly changing, but you're right. We haven't come far enough.

[Kristin Davis]

No, we really haven't. And the thing is, as someone. I'm a single mother, and there's a lot of pressure to be in a couple. Right. But I think there's even more pressure to be a mother. Like, people look at you sideways if you get to a certain age and you're not a mother. It's really interesting what I like about this episode. I like so many things about it. And I don't know if I told you earlier, like, I had not seen any of these shows since.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Since 1998.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

So you've just started rewatching for the podcast.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And a lot of it, I don't remember. Some of it I do. Like, I have a pretty clear memory of this because we had to get in vans and drive out to the suburbs. I think Connecticut. I think we're in Connecticut. I would have to check with someone, but it was. It was a ways. And it's either Connecticut or Long island somewhere. And we were out there at that house. I mean, it felt like for weeks. We didn't have that big of a budget to film for weeks, but we were out there for quite some time with all those ladies and children, you know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, my gosh. Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Very different. Very, very different. So it was quite a departure. And when I look back on it from a writing perspective and a, you know, just executive producing of the show perspective, they were so bold to do it. You know, we weren't in the city. Mr. Big isn't even in the episode.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Really. No. Men focused.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I mean, there's some men when we come back, but that's also kind of funny. Like, it's more a reaction to having been in this, like, hotbed of motherness. Right. Like, you know, people act a little crazy when we get back to the city, but I love that they already had the kind of, like, you know, sense of, you know, we can do this and we can do that. Because when you think about how the show develops, there would be really serious episodes, even though we're technically a comedy, and there would be, you know, kind of, we go to la, we do this, we do that. I mean, I love that. That was kind of. There was a lot more happening in first season than I really realized remembered.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't remember it. And also at the time, my sense of it was that we were all over the place and that we didn't really know what we were doing. But I think that's really came to be our strength, that we were kind of open to different things and bolder and HBO was allowing us to try different stuff out. Right? Yes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Which was super cool.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I look back on it now and it's so much better than I thought.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, don't you love that?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Thank God. Wouldn't it be terrible if I look back and it wasn't?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But also that it does feel relevant even now. Like the, you know, I was gonna say the younger, but the next generation that is watching it can see themselves in these women too.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Two girls at the airport yesterday said to me, oh, you know, I watched this show when I was in my 20s and now I'm in my 30s. I understand it so much better and I relate to it so much more and it's so much more interesting. And I was like, that's cool. That's good. I mean, you could watch it at different times and have different ideas about what the character's going through. And also, just in terms of identifying yourself as a character, you can start out thinking, like, I'm a Miranda, like Olivia Munn was saying to us today. And then later on you're like, oh, no, maybe I'm a Charlotte.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I was a Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's fun. That part of it, I think is fun. And also I love to see what has changed and what hasn't.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, one thing that has changed, and I'm sure you're gonna have some thoughts on this is New York.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, when I look at the old show, I love that New York. I know different.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I lived in New York, like, for I. I was in school in Texas, but I lived in New York for the summer.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, fun.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know. I was taking classes, like Shakespeare classes at nyu and it was so fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Was it so magical?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It was magical. I also worked at a PR firm, which was like the best thing. Cuz I was like, oh, I hate pr.

[Kristin Davis]

PR is a thankless child.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'm like, this is actually not something I want to do. And I thought that I was into it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because you don't even know what PR is.

[Kristin Davis]

You have no idea what they have to deal with.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But it. But that New York was so fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. What year was that?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That was like 2000. No. Yeah, 2001. Wow. I mean, is that too late or is that too late? Am I.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that was around. That was a glorious summer. That summer was like, what year did you.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Wait, 27 years ago? What year did you guys start shooting?

[Kristin Davis]

We filmed our pilot in 97.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is insane to think about. And then we didn't get picked up for a while. And so then when we did get picked up, we got picked up in 2008.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, you weren't picked up until 2008.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, they took over a year to pick us up. Can you believe that?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. What were you believe that?

[Kristin Davis]

There was some behind the scenes brouhaha. That is kind of boring, I think. And I don't totally know for a fact, so I shouldn't even say it, but HBO at the time was known for having boxing and movies, and I.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Remember that, which is hilarious. You do?

[Kristin Davis]

And they had a show called Dream on, where every week a different girl would. Would be nude. Huh?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, that I don't remember.

[Kristin Davis]

You probably weren't watching it. I remember it as an actress because I was in LA auditioning for things that I was always like, oh, my God, I can't audition for that. But they didn't have female driven things on hbo. And also in general.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

There were not shows where there were four leading women who were interesting in different characters.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know. Was this the first?

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I don't think it was the first. Because there's the Golden Girls, which people love to. Yes. And obviously an incredible show in its own right. In its own way.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because they were different.

[Kristin Davis]

Different, obviously, multicam, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I don't know how old those characters were meant to be.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

They were meant to be in their 50s.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, that's so painful.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Isn't that crazy? Isn't that so crazy? We've, like, talked about that before, Hoda and I, and we were like, what? That has changed. Don't you feel like age, aging has changed?

[Kristin Davis]

Thank God.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

No offense to anyone.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, we love those Golden Girls, but of course, they're living in a retirement community. Believe me. I know. It's crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

I can't even believe that.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I thought they were 80.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, I know. Me too.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Well, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. I'm gonna recover.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know. Recover, recover, recover.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I mean, you know, sometimes it's really good to remember these because these are societal, like pop culture things, elements. Right. That are just part of the big picture of what society is kind of telling us to expect from our lives. And it's not true.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

So I think that's so important, and it makes me so happy. I remember. And this is funny to say now everyone looks at me sideways when I say this, but for me, I've been auditioning. I've been on Melrose Place, and that was my big job. But then after that. Before that, after that, we've been.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Olivia and I have been talking all week about how obsessed.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Well, we're the same age, and it's so fun when you have somebody that has the same point of reference of you. But we were, like, of that generation who would watch 90210 and then Melrose Place right after. And my child just streams television. You know, she's like, watched all of Grey's Anatomy, and I'm like, do you understand that we would wait for Thursday night?

[Kristin Davis]

No, they don't understand. I don't understand. What I was gonna say about aging is that when we got the show, for me, it was this huge relief that the characters were in their 30s. So I was like, oh, thank God. I don't have to lie anymore.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because in Melrose Place, were you playing up? Is that. Or. I can't remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Did we even say how old Brooke was? I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, I feel like I was the same age as most of those people.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

20, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I think we were supposed to be in our 20s, and I feel like I was in my 20s.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember when. I remember when Melrose aired, we had a party. It was my birthday party, and I was turning 30, and it was fun. I felt like, I'm a success. I'm on television.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'm on 30. I did it.

[Kristin Davis]

It's going well. You know what I mean? So I was very happy. But I remember just. It was like, kind of unheard of that four women who were over 30 would be starting a television show about women in their 30s in Manhattan. It was kind of like, what? And for us, we were like, yay, we don't have to lie anymore. This is awesome. And now it's kind of. That's something that I do think has changed because, you know, people are working and working and working, and, you know, so many women, they were like, you know, women over 50 taking over the.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oscars a hundred percent.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. As it should be. I mean, our.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

We had such a theme in our show, sort of unintentionally, when Hoda was on, because Hoda just turned 60, and all of these women would come as guests, including you, and the sort of common Theme is it gets greater later. And I feel like, thank goodness other people are catching on.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank God.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You know, culture and.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And I mean, that's part of the reason that we're doing it. Just like that is because there is this. Sometimes Hollywood is slow in this way of not green lighting or not even. I mean, honestly, I don't even know what was being pitched.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Cause I'm not in every office all the time. But I know for us, you know, everyone thought, well, of course they did. And just like that. No, there was no of course. Like, we had to go in there and pitch it. Michael Patrick had to have ideas. Sarah Jessica had to go with him. We had to really convince them, like, this is important.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

We need to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

These are the characters, of course. But they were like, well, what's the story? And the story is that your life keeps going and it's more interesting and different things happen and you have to deal with different things. And they're maybe hard or maybe not hard, like all the different things. Right. But why shouldn't we be telling those stories?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, exactly. You know, Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Let's talk about the baby shower.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Okay, let's go back.

[Kristin Davis]

But I could talk to you about all these things.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Keep going.

[Kristin Davis]

This is what's fun about the baby shower. We begin with Carrie getting the invitation. It's very fancy, like a wedding invitation, which I think is interesting. And then we show everyone's reaction. And of course, Samantha, Miranda, not very into it. They don't even want to go. Now, apparently this woman, Lainey, who is pregnant and having the baby shower in Connecticut, used to be a party girl. And all of us know her. And her claim to fame, which is bizarre, is that she would strip at parties.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

So funny.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's so funny. And also, like, this is when I also kind of laugh at us in terms of, you know, we're just super casual about it. You know, like. Oh, yes. And this is what she'd do. She'd just stand up at parties and just take off her clothes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

And then it does show a flashback, which I'm not in. And I remember being so jealous that I couldn't be in this flashback. Cause I think it's early 90s. Sarah Jessica's wearing a pink cowboy hat. A pink one?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I did.

[Kristin Davis]

Samantha's got some big, like, weirdly spiky hair. I mean, it's super funny. Charlotte, I guess, is just, like, all for some preppy girls. I don't know. But I really wish I had been in that scene. When they flashback to the pre married Lane when she was there just taking off the clothes. And I mean, Carrie does look horrified, you know, But I mean, Samantha at a certain point too, which I think is interesting. They do say something about Samantha being insecure, which I don't really think that you would describe Samantha as insecure. But I think what it is is that Laini was kind of in her. Competitive. Yeah, competitive.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

She's like, wait, who is this girl taking her clothes off?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And is she doing more than I'm doing? And do I want to do that? Do I not want to do that? Which I think is super interesting because we don't see Samantha like that very often. Right. So that's interesting. Y for her. But so this Lainey friend. And I do think it's also interesting in the beginning of the show, there's all these kind of peripheral characters, but we seem to somehow know them all really well.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Like every. Everyone.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Like even that we haven't gotten into it. But that Charlotte would tell this Laney person her secret baby name. Okay. When? How? At a party. Like. Well, okay. I mean. But I mean, on the other hand, I love it that they just drop us in.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

They don't explain anything.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

It's super interesting.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally. It was before we needed all the information.

[Kristin Davis]

Is that right, do you think?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Well, yeah, because now it's like, you talk about something, you're like, wait, Google that and let's find out who it is.

[Kristin Davis]

That's a good point.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And we have all the back information about everything. This was in the time.

[Kristin Davis]

So true.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like probably right when Internet was, you know, before social media. Barely. Barely anymore.

[Kristin Davis]

No, social media where we're not like.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Googling every last detail so our attention span. You could drop us in.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true. And I think Michael Patrick has said that he felt that the exposition was not that interesting and that when you did move to New York, you were just in life with these people. That's true. You weren't finding out where they were from and what all the things. You know what I mean? You were just like at the place with them.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. And we didn't have that much time to set that all up.

[Kristin Davis]

So true. Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It would've been episodes.

[Kristin Davis]

The episodes are 22 minutes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That's what I mean.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is insane. Yeah, I know. And we get a lot done, which is really good. It's true.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

The writing is so good.

[Kristin Davis]

No, they're so good. I mean, that's really the secret to our whole success. But I think that's a boring answer for people, so they gloss over it, but it is the truth. Okay, so everyone has their different reaction. Miranda, Samantha, don't even want to go, which is funny. Of course Charlotte wants to go because I guess we haven't fully said, other than there's an early episode where Carrie's dating the marrying guy. Then she decides it's not for her. She was trying him on, and maybe he would be good for me.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I go out with him until we go shopping at Bergdorf. And I don't like his china pattern that he likes, which really makes me laugh. Okay, so we are seeing the beginnings of what is gonna turn into Charlotte really getting didactic about getting married. Yes, but they're not totally. We didn't start with that, by the way.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

How interesting that you were so different than her, than the character you played.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like opposite.

[Kristin Davis]

I was opposite in many ways.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, as far as at least the.

[Kristin Davis]

The married part, the traditional part. I know, I know, I know, I know. It's an interesting thing. So we have all these different reactions. Then we get ready to go, and we've rented a car. And the three of them are there wearing the most 90s sunglasses I've ever seen in my life. And Samantha brings a bottle of Scotch. Miranda brings condoms, which is, like, so insane. And Carrie brings nothing. And this is one of my most favorite moments that I definitely remember from the early, early season. I come running around the corner with the Bellini baby basket, and they made it as big as possible. And this was a real thing. Like, I remember the Bellini baby basket, all the Bellini products, and it's like, this big. And a baby's supposed to sleep in there, which is also weird and funny. And I'm running, and the things are, like, jiggling and funny. And then we all get in the car and no one sits in the driver's seat. And they say. I think Carrie says, can anyone drive? Or maybe Samantha, can anyone drive? Which is also pretty funny. So New York and so New York. And we have so many callbacks to that as time goes on. In terms of we go to la, and there's a whole stress about who's gonna drive. And then Carrie drives, but then it doesn't go that great. I mean, so many different funny things. But, you know, this is so early. So we go. We go out there. I am immediately. Charlotte is immediately welcomed into the Mom Club because I've got the Bellini baby baskets, my ticket into the Mom Club. The others are, like, on the Side drinking and complaining, basically the whole time. But then we find out also that Carrie. Oh, I think in the voiceover, we found out the Carrie's period is late, which is a really interesting tie in and I think so relevant to life in your, you know, 20s and 30s in a way. And also her relationship with Big is pretty new.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So she doesn't even tell him.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Which I think makes perfect sense. And she doesn't tell him. And she says she's so smart. And I know people sometimes think she's not so smart, but I don't get that. But she's, you know, she. She starts to. She says, you know, I'm gonna ask him or I'm gonna tell. And then she can't finish the sentence. And then she says, I realize I'm not gonna talk to him about it until I can finish the sentence.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

So smart.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, totally. Right. Like, be able to think about what you wanna say before you actually say it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And she doesn't even, you know, go get a test or anything till later. But I think being at the baby shower and, like, at one point there are all these kids running around the yard and they shoot her with a BB gun thing, you know, a Nerf gun. So she's, you know, it's a lot of. It's a lot of children. She's like, oh, I better find out later. But I love that storyline, and I love the way that they tie it in. And I love the fact that it's so early in the relationship with Big that, you know, she doesn't even know. And then there's a lot of conversations where she mostly, with Miranda, talks about, you know, do I even want kids? Am I maternal? Like, when they go to the drugstore, she literally says, do you think I could be a good mother? And Miranda looks really nervous, like she's not sure.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is interesting.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I think sometimes what's hard for me to be objective about is I know Sarah Jessica, who's super maternal. So I was always like, of course. But maybe I just wasn't really able.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

To disassociate the character from the actor.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly, Exactly. Cause I get it when I look back, you know, she's out and about, you know, knows everyone.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's a career focus too.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, like we were saying. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, it's super interesting. There's so many interesting things. I mean, there's so many interesting things said. And I'm. Okay, wait, let's talk about the baby name. Because it's really funny. I mean, just recently, I guess on TikTok and. Or Instagram, there's been this whole sound about this man saying my Shayla.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Have you heard this?

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

What is that?

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, it's on my Instagram if anyone would like to see it. I don't know where it came from, but it is, you know, the baby name that is much discussed in this episode. So I did it and people loved it. You know when you do a. You act it out.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I'm paying for it. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. I don't understand the man who's doing it, but he's really funny. And I don't know if it came from the show. I'm perplexed, but sometimes little pieces of things come out in ways that are just amazing. Yeah, totally, totally. So when we're sitting there. Oh, also, I need to mention this at one point. You know how at a baby shower there's a tradition. I don't know if you did this. Where you take all the bows from all the packages and you make something on your head.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Did you do this?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No. My water broke at my baby shower. Oh, no. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

That's like a TV show.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

What did you do?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I went to the hospital.

[Kristin Davis]

Did everyone panic?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Everybody panicked. And they called my husband, who was with some of the other guys.

[Kristin Davis]

Like a guy thing, like having a.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Beer on the corn. We were here in New York on the. I mean, we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It was like, April. Wow. So it was beautiful. And 12 years ago and like, oh, two weeks. My daughter's about to have her birthday.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, that's nice.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And. And they called and they said. And everybody was laughing. Cause it was shocking. And there was only one man in the room, and it was the caterer. And he threw paper towels at us and then walked out of the door. He was just like, I cannot deal with this.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh my God.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And it was. What was even more comedic about it is we were in a circle.

[Kristin Davis]

Uh huh.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like she was opening presents, right? And my friend goes, oh my gosh, she's about to have that baby right here. My stomach made a weird movement.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh my God.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Which I guess is what happened.

[Kristin Davis]

I have no idea.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I have no idea. Okay. And this has only happened with my first child. And my water broke in front of every single person sitting. And everybody's reaction was so different. Like somebody cried because they were pregnant. And they were like, just had.

[Kristin Davis]

And they had so much feelings. So much feeling.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Other people were dying laughing. So when they called dying laughing well, it was, like, kind of funny because also I was like, what is happening? You know? But they called my husband and Barbara, my sister, and I have a twin sister. We played so many pranks on him over the years.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That he did not believe. Like, he thought this was, like, a funny thing girls were doing. And also, he'd been to the doctor, like, with me the day before, where they were like, you have six more weeks.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

So he just was the thought. And. And then there was a producer that works on our show, still now works on our show, who I've known all these years, 12 years later, who is so lovely and earnest and kind, and her husband was with her. Henry, my husband. And she called, and she's like, daniel.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's real.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

This is real. And he was like, listen. Her husband was like, I know Barbara and Jenna can lie, but Carrie cannot, so you need to go to the hospital.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. Anyway, so I don't think we put the bow on our arm. Got it.

[Kristin Davis]

You didn't get to that.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I fully understand.

[Kristin Davis]

I fully understand. I also. I'm not sure people still do it.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I feel like it was more. No, I kind of remember, like, it.

[Kristin Davis]

Was a thing, but I just don't know if it still happens.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Probably not.

[Kristin Davis]

So for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a bow on her head, which I really think I probably had something to do with because it is one of my favorite pictures. It's very funny. I mean, I also think, because Charlotte just really would like to be part of this club. You know what I'm saying? So then Laney has a huge amount of bows on her head, at which point, one of her friends says, oh, little Shayla is gonna love. Blah, blah, blah, whatever gift it was. And I'm like, what? And, like, kind of a big reaction for young Charlotte. I stand up like, that is my secret baby name that I told you. She's like, well, I'm just really sorry. I don't remember. And this is such an unfair thing that I'm about to say, but I, back then, would have a lot of trouble separating the actor from the part.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So later on, when Big has Natasha and I've said this to Bridget, I'm like, I'm really sorry. I just really couldn't look you in the eyes. Yeah, I just couldn't. I just couldn't.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like, you thought she wasn't bad.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's terrible. It's terrible. But luckily, I can tell her that. But also with Dana, Willard Nicholson, who played this part of Lainey. I was just like. I was very mad.

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

So I jump up and I say, that's my secret baby name. And I did tell you. And she's like, I just don't remember. And. And then Samantha comes in, so ready to protect me. It's so cute.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I love that.

[Kristin Davis]

And she's like, you bitch. And we stomp off, which is adorable. And we go to a bar, which is so perfect and really funny. And I don't really remember. Like we're at some Irish bar, like wherever.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, wherever you were.

[Kristin Davis]

Wherever we were. Connecticut, Long Island. I don't know where we were. And we drink and I go to the bathroom when I'm gone. And this is kind of heartbreaking. In a way. Carrie doesn't want to tell me that she's late with her period. So they talk about it while I'm gone. Kind of sad. And then I kind of.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because she doesn't want to make you feel bad, though, Right. Because she knows.

[Kristin Davis]

So. And also, I think they don't know what I might say. You know, that I'd say something like, you have to have it in my naive kind of a way, or whatever. Which I can totally see. Even though, as time goes on, I say, every woman can make her own choice. I choose my choice, which is about many things, obviously. But at that point, I think. Because the three of them are very much like. Well, two of them are like, we don't want that. Carrie's like, I'm not sure what I want. And I'm like, I want to have babies and get married. Which is interesting. And I know it's different, but I do feel like there are groups of friends where people want different things.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

A hundred percent.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. You don't have to always be with people who want the same thing. No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You don't want that be boring. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And they're super interesting and fascinating. And also, Charlotte is into her job at the gallery. It's not like she only one note. Yeah, right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you, Jeff.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Different people are. And back in the day, too, people would be like, why is Charlotte friends with them?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And I feel.

[Kristin Davis]

What? Why not? Come on.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Exactly. I mean, but you had other friends. Don't you? Like how I say you. Charlotte did.

[Kristin Davis]

Welcome to my world.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, sometimes I just can't even say that right now.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know, but you just. I mean, Charlotte did have other, like.

[Kristin Davis]

Kind of, but not really.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Her besties were there, but, like. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

One time later on, we do see these girls that she went to Smith. She goes to a brunch with them, and she realizes to her horror that she is now the Samantha of that group.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

How wild is that?

[Kristin Davis]

It's a fascinating scene. Yes. And I drink too much and then I throw money at them. I don't know why exactly. We'll have to look at that to.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Pay for the debt or.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I guess. I don't really know. They make me mad for some reason.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know. We're gonna find out when we get there.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Wild. I can't wait.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It is wild. I mean, Charlotte has had quite a development, you know, which is a good thing. Obviously, an actor and, you know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. She. She evolves just like humans do.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. As have the Others. Right. And I do think it's. Oh, one of my favorite things. When they get. So they go back to the city, they're kind of having, like, a reaction to being in this mommy club thing. They go back to the city and Samantha has a I don't have a baby party. Which is so hysterical. And also reminds me, do you remember when Carrie. Later on. And I think this is when her shoes might get stolen. I'm not sure she has a. No, no. This is when she has to take her shoes off and she has a party that. For her own engagement or whatever. Like, I'm engaged to me.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

So that she can get gifts.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, yes, exactly. Oh, she's like a register or something.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's hysterical.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, I love that we took on all these kind of.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, like, traditions.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

That are not really fair to everybody.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Just to women.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah. And like, put you under pressure and, you know, expectations and whatnot. And somehow also holds you up, like, this is your choice or whatever. I think Samantha even says at one point, like, she's trying to say that she's worthy by having a baby. Like, she's, you know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is really interesting and I think does happen.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Don't you?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is sad.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, that's not why you have a baby. No, no.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But. But people do, I think, or. Or just feel like it's part of the pressures of being a woman, and.

[Kristin Davis]

It 100% is part of the pressures of being a woman.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And that's why Worth.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's not our worth. And I mean, then. And this is coming up, too, in a big way. Because what Carrie's dealing with would be, who am I, you know, if I. If I were to be pregnant and have Big's baby, whether we were together or not, like, will I give up who I really am? Has Lainie given up who she is? Because then we get back to the city and Lainey calls Carrie and she's like, we should get together. And Carrie's like, oh, I'm sorry. I've got to go. I'm going to Samantha's party. She's like, samantha's having a party? And then she shows up there with her pregnant self and she wants to strip off her clothes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, that sounds hilarious.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's just so uncomfortable. And everyone at the party just looks mortified.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. You're like Lainey and that also. Think about that. What that says about women, too, is that as soon as they become pregnant, they're Somebody else.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And they're not sexual and they're not fun, and, like, you're just a different person, which is so unfair. But also, it is a huge life change.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It is for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

It is for sure.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But she tries to get up on this, like, it's like a coffee table, I guess, or like a stuffed thing, but it's big. And she's so pregnant. And I remember us being really nervous. Even though she wasn't pregnant, we were really nervous. And all of us are horrified as well. But literally every person in the party is hardy horrified. And luckily, she can't do it. And she gets down. Thank God. Yeah, thank God. But it gets carry all in her head about, what if I was pregnant? A, what would I do? B, am I maternal? C, who would I be? Because I've just been. Career, career, career.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And then at a certain point, she goes to. I believe they're in Central park and the trees are blooming. It's just so glorious. And she's at, like, one of the little. The little side, you know, playground parks. And she's watching all the little kids, and they're adorable. And of course, they pick this kid who has hair like, Sarah Jessica's color comes over and, like, you plays around her feet. And the mom's like, sorry. And she's like, no, she's adorable. And it's the cutest scene. And Sarah Jessica's so, so good in it. And it's what I love about it. And again, I. I just don't remember this happening in television shows. I think it was more of kind of a film thing that you could have moments where the lead character is just in silence and that you. You. I think she's got some voiceover, but she's also just sitting, watching. And that wasn't something that you used to really see on television. Yeah. And it made us feel, number one, like you could really get inside Carrie's mind. And the voiceover, of course, helped, but also, like, that you could really. It had some space to think about the ideas, which I think were so central to the writing and to the whole development of the show, these ideas. And it let the viewer think. Yeah, what do I. I think, would Carrie be a good mother? Would I be a good mother? Do I want to be? You know, it let you also have.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

The experience, like, the space.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

To think.

[Kristin Davis]

And I remember that being something that Sarah Jessica also kind of pushed and stood up for ongoingly. You know, like, we need to remember that she's got to have time to be processing. Because it would always start with the question, like, I wonder, blah, blah, blah. You know, made me think about blah, blah, blah. But then, like, she's trying to work through it too. She's not just theoretically thinking about it. She's like, where do I.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's a whole episode. It's like the thes of what she's going through.

[Kristin Davis]

Yep. And eventually those thesises became what we were all going through.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes, exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

That hasn't come into play yet. Exactly. And I do feel like she looks at the camera once or twice in this episode. What did you think about that? People have very mixed feelings about her.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Breaking the third wall, basically. I mean, I can't. What in the. She. I didn't. That did not bother me. But did it stop? I remember it at the beginning. Did it stop halfway through?

[Kristin Davis]

It does stop, but it's weird. It comes back all of a sudden. You're like, oh, my God, it's happening again.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, I. When she would do it, I remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But then I feel like it became less frequent.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, for sure. And then we also had, you know, the people on the street who would talk, which also became less frequently. That kind of highly entertaining.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And at the first season, I remember that it kind of gave you slight. It was kind of like Law and Order vibes for some reason. Do you know what I mean? Like at the very beginning of Law and Order, where there's the person that's like, like. And you're like, are they going to be part of this anymore? And it was just like. Because that was always like. The person on the street was not even an integral part of the show.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you mean the person who gets killed?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes, I do.

[Kristin Davis]

In. In the prologue, at the very prologue.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Where it's not even what the show is about.

[Kristin Davis]

That is true.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I do know what you mean.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And then when you'd have the person on the street look at the camera and say something, it would never have been somebody.

[Kristin Davis]

No. Yeah. No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Wouldn't have been like a Laney. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's not an extra.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. No, it's someone else. It's actors who were hired. And as I think Jenny Bix, who was our first female writer who joined, told me it was so much work production wise, because the casting people would have to cast them. Hair, makeup, all wardrobe, and then we would have to set up different shots. Like it would be a whole day of that.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

Which we didn't really have time for, you know, so from that perspective, it was hard. I think that there. I've met a lot of people who enjoy it. Which really surprised me.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because we were campy, sort of, right?

[Kristin Davis]

It was a little campy, yes. I mean, sometimes also, I think it was a little campy. Because they would give those people the most extreme things.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Well, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, where like. Like the moms at the. At the bridal baby. Baby shower do it. Where they're like, I tell my son every day that he's the best. I mean, that actually might be part of a scene. That he's amazing and he. He rules the world. I tell him every day. And then she walks away. And Miranda's like, I wonder if any woman is ever gonna be able to please that man when he's grown. You're like, I know. I know. Then, like, another woman's like, you know, I. I just love to. To play. And then I go in the closet and I drink. I can't remember what she said.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

But, you know, the more extreme.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But they are like, of course. Because otherwise, what? They're like the comical sort of.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes. And also, I mean, I do think it's true that there's going to be a huge variety of people on the.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Subject matter thinking different things.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. Which. That part was interesting. But I think because we didn't get to develop those characters, it's not that interesting. Which is why we do eventually get rid of it.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes, exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

So we go. I love the scene. They go. They go to the drugstore to buy the pregnancy test. Miranda and Carrie. And I always love Miranda and Carrie together. And I hadn't really realized this entire through line. Also, like, they really have these deep talks, the two of them, the whole time since the beginning. That they don't really have with the rest of us. Not in the same way, you know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, it's true.

[Kristin Davis]

And they're so different. And I think that Miranda really is more. I don't know, straightforward. Tells it like it is to Carrie than the rest of us. Obviously, Charlotte is always, like, cheerleader.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes. Yeah. And gonna say sort of what she wants to hear.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And positive. Like, just trying to always put the positive on it. And then Samantha might just be like, oh, no. You know, she just might be like, don't do that. Or, you know, cut to the negative. I don't know if that's quite the right word. But you know what I'm saying?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

More dismissive slightly.

[Kristin Davis]

Or almost, like, cynical or whatever. Like, no, that's not gonna work out. And then Miranda's just kind of in the middle, but very accurate, like she really knows her well, which I think is also really such a great writing that they wrote them so early on.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And to think about those dynamics separately as well as. As a whole.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And back. Back in this time. And this is also what I love about this episode. All four of us are together for most of the episode, which I love, because we didn't even have the coffee shop set yet. Right. So we had had little restaurant scenes that are actually in little restaurants. But not every episode, which that hadn't kind of gelled yet either. But this particular episode, we're all there, then we all go to the bar, and then we all go to Samantha's I don't have a baby party, which I think is adorable and hilarious. And then Lainey comes, we're all mortified. And then Miranda starts making out with Samantha's accountant. But I mean, the thing that's fascinating to me, and this is part of the reason I did the podcast, is that the topics that we used way back then in 1998 are still relevant and interesting. Right. That was part of the reason that I thought, yes, we can do a podcast and we can talk about that and how it's changed or how it hasn't changed, or how does this feel to women now or men or anybody. Right. It's super interesting. And then some of the things really haven't changed. And I did feel also like there was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that we didn't used to talk about, partly because there was no social media. I don't think people were necessarily as interested in how we made film and tv, you know?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[Kristin Davis]

And we always felt like we might seem like we were complaining if we talked about the fact that we were up all night all the time. Because we were up all night all the time.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Because that's what we had to do. And we didn't ever want people to see us as complaining. Right. Because we were so thrilled to have our job. You know, our job was like no other job. It was amazing. And we knew that, you know, so we didn't want to be like, oh, we're so tired. You know, we thought that would be bad. Like bad form, I guess.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But I mean, now I feel like everyone knows so much more about how things are made. And, you know, you'll have people out filming when you're, you know, filming.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

They're filming you filming, shown pictures of, Of. Of y'all filming. We've Seen it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Which. You would never have seen that the first time.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no. First of all, it was 5 in the morning.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Second of all, no. The paparazzi didn't come and the fans didn't come. I mean, the movies. The movies is when.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no. Oh, no, no. Sarah Jessica got pregnant. That was when things changed. And that was so frightening and scary. That was when there was no sense from the magazines that maybe it was inappropriate to chase a pregnant woman around town. I know. It was very scary to watch. And they would sit with us for, you know, 14 hours, like it was nuts.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Do you feel like that's gotten better?

[Kristin Davis]

I do. Don't wanna say too much, but there's, like, a few people around town who can be like, I think, was it last season to paparazzi? Maybe second season of. And just like that, to paparazzi. Got a fist fight over their positioning to be photographing us during a scene.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like, you know, and you guys were like, we got to also focus on our job.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. We need to get through the shot. Yeah, we need to get the shot. We need to not run over you guys. I mean, they're clearly safe, you know, and then if there's, like, fisticuffs, you.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Know, you're like, oh, my gosh, what.

[Kristin Davis]

Is going on, people?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But I mean, at this point, we are kind of used to it in a really weird way. I'll tell you what does worry me, though, is that sometimes the fans, like Sarah Jessica and I had a walk and talk towards the end, and our production value now is, like, so way up here and back. In the beginning, it was not. I mean, we did a lot with a little. You know what I'm saying?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

But we used a lot of handheld cameras and Steadicam and, like, just on the shoulder. Totally crazy. And we would just wheel these lights down the street. I mean, I love that. Insane, right? But now. Now we have huge cranes. Right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And everything's beautifully lit and all things.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Thank you. We try. We try. And Michael Patrick feels very strongly about that. He feels like the fans expect that, and he wants to give that to the fans.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Well, because part of it is so visual. Right. Like, especially in the movies, too.

[Kristin Davis]

I think the movies changed the game for us. And it's hard to go back. We had this fantasy that when we came back for Undressed like that, that we would just be like guerrilla filmmaking like we used to be at the beginning. I don't know what we were thinking.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It can be like that.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because it has not been like that.

[Kristin Davis]

But we try to do our best, but somet we, we don't walk very fast because we've got the crane and the crane can only move so fast. And I remember seeing somebody watching a fan watching and saying, like, I'm so disappointed. I thought they were walking so much faster. And I want to be like, well, when it's cut together, it's going to be okay. Don't. Don't ruin it for yourself. And also, they didn't know what we're talking about. We're talking about something serious, so we're kind of a little more contemplative. Right. But like, you don't, you don't want to ruin, ruin it for the viewers. Yeah, that's what I worry about now.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, like, is it too much.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

A storyline or something? I remember there was like some photo that everybody completely obsessed over and now I can't even remember what it was.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Well, that's how it happened.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Something like it was Carrie with some man or something. Maybe Aiden was back. Is Aiden back?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah, babe.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, that was it.

[Kristin Davis]

You gotta catch up.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That was it.

[Kristin Davis]

Aiden's back, baby.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Is it. Can you tell like, or you know, is it?

[Kristin Davis]

I can't tell you anything. He was back and now he's kind of gone.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, you got. I do need to catch up. Watch the whole first season, which I was obsessed with.

[Kristin Davis]

If you like the first season, you'll really love it. The third season's coming soon.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Okay, good.

[Kristin Davis]

That's adorable. Yeah, Aiden's back. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not giving anything away. Aiden.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Okay, when I said that, I was like, am I giving something?

[Kristin Davis]

No, Aiden came back and then Aiden left again. And no, just. Okay, watch, Just, just watch because there are, there are photographs out there. So I don't think that I'm telling anything I shouldn't be telling.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, that's what I'm thinking.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I mean, also the funn is sometimes Michael Patrick, who is the one who sometimes really wants us to keep secrets. He writes these scenes that are on the street.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I know we're like, we're trying to keep a secret, but this is gonna get out.

[Kristin Davis]

A lot of people here, like many, many people. And John Corbin is very, very tall.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

No one's gonna miss him. Totally out on the street. He's there in all his glory. But it's a great, great, interesting storyline. Storyline involving. I'm not giving anything away. I don't think that was not in season. Season 2. Parenting and Divorce and kind of, you know, things that we have to deal with at this age.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Good. Can't wait.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I hope you like it. Oh, I can't wait to hear.

[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Israel Gutierrez]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

Are your ears bored?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn and say yeah?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a miniseries, totally nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000 2000s.

[Kristin Davis]

It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

My favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV Tres. You could turn on the TV, you.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.

[Kristin Davis]

The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[Israel Gutierrez]

From the building of the core that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

[Kristin Davis]

I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.

[Kristin Davis]

Love for what Steph has done for the game.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore.

[Israel Gutierrez]

For guys that have changed it, come revisit this. Magical warriors ride. This is Dove Dynasty.

[Kristin Davis]

The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published and he was unlike any first time author author Canada had ever seen.

[Kristin Davis]

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail, 12 years in solitary.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

He went from an ex con to a literary darling almost overnight.

[Kristin Davis]

He was instantly a celebrity, he was.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

An adrenaline junkie and he was the.

[Kristin Davis]

Star of the show.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Goboy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I had a knife go in my.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Stomach, puncture my spleen, break my rib.

[Kristin Davis]

I had my guts all in my.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Hands only to find himself back where he started.

[Kristin Davis]

Roger's saying is I've never hurt anybody but myself.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And I said oh, you're so wrong.

[Kristin Davis]

You're so wrong on that one.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

We ready to fight? I'm ready to fight.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Is that I thought it.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever we need to use our voices to fight back and that's what we are doing on Fighting Words. We're not going to let anyone silence us.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That's the reason why they're banning books like yours, George. That's the reason why they're trying to.

[Kristin Davis]

Stop the teaching of black history, queer history, any history that challenges the whitewashed.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Norm or put us in a box.

[Kristin Davis]

Black people have never ever depended on.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

The so called mainstream to support us. That's why we are great. We are the greatest, greatest culture makers in world history.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. I wanted to ask you too and this is kind of. You can, you don't have to answer these but I'm super curious your thought because of the way that we talk about motherhood in this episode and obviously I wasn't even thinking about these things at the time that we filmed it, right. But now many, many, many years later and I've got two kids I adopted and love so much. But also it is really hard to still have a job like the whole having it all is really hard, but our characters are before that. But also contemplating could I possibly do both or not do both? And I was just curious if you had thoughts on that topic or, like, giving. Giving up your other life.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I mean, I think, obviously you can't have it. I think the idea that having it all is sort of. First of all, nobody's asking, like, my husband, that people aren't asking men.

[Kristin Davis]

Good point.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

If we're giving up things for jobs, you know. Yes. I had, like, a.

[Kristin Davis]

Even still in 2025.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, nobody's asking that.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And we're talking more about. About, like, fair play. And there's many friends I have that are doing it on their own and. But. But the point is, I feel like anything that sort of separates women at a time where women need each other.

[Kristin Davis]

Good point. Good point.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

So, like, when I was pregnant with or maybe my second daughter, somebody was like, now are you gonna take maternity leave? And I don't know why it rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm like, why do you care?

[Kristin Davis]

It's not your business situation is.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

First of all, we should all be able to take as much leave as we can, which is not. I just found, like, that conversations around balance were inherently a little elitist. Like, I worked in inner city D.C. and West Baltimore with parents who did anything for their kids, but also worked multiple jobs. And of course, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And nobody was like, so, hey, what's your balance situation? You know? So I found, like. And also. So when I first had kids, I was like, when people are asking me about that, it made me feel like I was doing something wrong.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Because there's guilt, inheritance.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You can't have it all. Like, what you said is so true. It's like, something may suffer, and usually what it is is our mental health and our mental health and our time to, like, you know, somebody was like, will you take your shoes off? I'm like, I'll take my shoes off, but my toes look terrible.

[Kristin Davis]

You know?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like, I'm like, I haven't had time to go get a pedicure.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen, if I have time for a shower, it's exciting, right? Yeah, like.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And that's all fine.

[Kristin Davis]

It's sad.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It is sad. It's sad and fine. It's fine.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course you've made these choices, and that is.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And I'll be thrilled you made those choices with those. Me too.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You know, and so. But no. And I also had a friend at work who was like, I don't know about having kids. I'm worried. And I will say, in my line of work, having kids is just enriched what we do, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Me too.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I said to this person, I'm like, and also, don't let work be the reason.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You know.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I agree. I think you have to really deeply listen inside yourself about what you need to be happy and think about. You know, are you gonna regret not making a decision?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

You know, Hoda's story is. And she wouldn't mind me saying this, because she said it a million times, is she was walking with a friend who. And neither one of them had children, and they were in their, like, probably late 40s. And the friend said, I mean, you and I, we just never wanted kids. And she stopped. And she, like, internalized it and stopped and was like. I mean. Because nobody asked her, I don't think.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Because she hadn't had a partner.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And so I feel like, you know, this must resonate a little. It's like, oh, you must have a partner to do it. It's like, no women can do things 100%. But she was like, wait, I actually do. And it was like, the second she said it out loud, everything changed for her, and she's now adopted her two little girls.

[Kristin Davis]

So wonderful. I do think it is really interesting, the trajectory of all of it. And I think everyone is so different, and you need to honor your own self and not be just, you know, trying to satisfy what the society wants or what your parents want or what your friends want or what your friends are doing. And luckily, I. I think partly because I was an actress and I lived here and then I lived in LA la. I had people all over the board. You know what I'm saying? Older moms, younger moms, you know, non moms. You know, I feel that way, too. Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'm sure not everybody feels.

[Kristin Davis]

No, of course. But it helps to have. And I do feel. And I. I'm not 100 sure, but I do feel like now out in society, because of social media, you can find your group.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

More so.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah. I think you're right.

[Kristin Davis]

I think. I hope. I hope that that's true.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I think you're right.

[Kristin Davis]

And I do feel. Feel like the worst thing I think, could be doing something from a pressured place that you don't feel in your own gut. Because parenting is no joke. No, I know it is amazing, but it is hard.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's interesting because I don't. Like, I won't feel bad about work mistakes or, obviously, if I've hurt somebody's. Feelings or something that hangs on me. But if I'm like, mess up on the prompter or whatever it is, ask a question. That was dumb. I never think about it again.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'll like, stay up all night long. Not because I'm not a warrior, but.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, you have to think about the.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Distance about my kids feeling, you know, if I'm like. And I'll say, you know, like, to people like, God, I need more time here. There. I think about that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Way more than I do.

[Kristin Davis]

The mental weight. The mental weight of parenting is a lot. And I just. I did not really realize that.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

No, me neither.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Cause two, by myself. I mean, if you're not thinking about one, you're thinking about the other.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

But you're also. You've also given them each other.

[Kristin Davis]

I have a sister. I know.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And having a sister is the best.

[Kristin Davis]

And I didn't. I was single child, and that's part of why I did it.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It's the best.

[Kristin Davis]

I wanted them to have a child, too.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And so she was so thrilled to be able to have siblings because.

[Kristin Davis]

Talk about the book that you wrote with your mom. No, no, I wanted.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

With my sister, actually. With my sister, which is ex. What I'm saying. But the gift.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

There's this article called Frank Bruni, it's by Frank Bruni in the New York Times called the gift of a sibling. And yeah, Barbara and I, like, we just adore each other. And it's called loved comes first. And it's about that parental feeling of like. It's called I loved you first. I just made up the title. But you know, that feeling of having a child and thinking like, oh, my gosh, like, the amount of love is so infinite.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And I think all humans have that, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That possibility.

[Kristin Davis]

And I think they have it, you know, whether it's their own child or other children or their. Whatever is their creation.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

But I do love those books. We have a book about adoption that I believe is called something now I can't remember. It's like a baby version about, like.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Where love comes from or something.

[Kristin Davis]

It sounds like the love is there. And then I had to find you, which I think is great when. Whether you're having the baby in the traditional sense or adopting the baby. Because I do feel like that's true, you know, like there's a space in you that opens and then is filled by that child. And then it's way more than you expected.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

And that's so beautiful. You go to Your heart open for more. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. It opens again. And I don't think there is a limit, really. And I know certainly I was a godmother before I was a mother and my goddaughter Arden, who I love so much, who I'd love to have on the show one day. Cause I wanna have like many generations. Right. You know, I was. I was auntie, and Auntie's great.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So much fun.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

It is. And important.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Like, really an important role for.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a different role. And they can go to you with other things and you provide a different kind of safety zone than their own parents.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I mean, in this world and particularly now, I feel like we need as much love.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

To go around as much as.

[Kristin Davis]

No joke. This is true. This is true. Well, I can't wait to get your book. Where can I get your book?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'm like, you can get it at your indie bookstore. I'm like, I brought you one and I apologize.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's okay. I love the indie bookstore. I have a good one in Brentwood I go to.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Yeah, I love an local indie book store.

[Kristin Davis]

Me too.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

Me too.

[Kristin Davis]

Cool.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

They're so important for communities.

[Kristin Davis]

I know for sure. And also you can find really unique things there, which is so nice. It's nice to just browse in a bookstore. Like the olden days. Yes. Well, you are a joy. Thank you for being here.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I love being here. That was so fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Fun, right.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

To relive that episode with you.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know. And it's. It's so trippy how related it all is and how many conversations you could have.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

That's true.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Jenna Bush Hager]

This could have been a 12 hour podcast.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Jenna Bush Hager]

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[Kristin Davis]

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