Everything’s GOLDEN with Mickey Guyton.... (S3 E2 "Politically Erect")

Summary

Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte? – "Everything’s GOLDEN with Mickey Guyton" (S3 E2 "Politically Erect")

Host: Kristin Davis (joined by Cynthia Nixon and guest Mickey Guyton)
Date: October 27, 2025
Podcast: Are You A Charlotte? (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode: S3 E2 – "Politically Erect"

---

Episode Overview

This lively episode welcomes country music star Mickey Guyton as Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon reminisce over "Sex and the City" Season 3, Episode 2 ("Politically Erect"), discussing its daring themes, pop culture resonance, and the ongoing impact of the show. The discussion seamlessly blends behind-the-scenes stories, reflections on the show's cultural relevance, and personal anecdotes touching on fandom, sexuality, boundaries in relationships, and women’s empowerment.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mickey Guyton’s Musical Journey and Global Success

• Mickey’s recent experience: Mickey shares her time on China’s hit TV show “Singer” featuring top-notch performers and a staggering audience.
  • “It was like singing at the Super Bowl every week. It was insane.” – Mickey Guyton [06:40]
• Cultural exchange & warmth: She and Kristin discuss Asian hospitality, the warmth of fans, and culture shock.
  • “They started calling me ‘mama,’ … all the time. … It made me really think about Asian hate so much more here, because there’s a sweetness that isn’t always understood as a cultural phenomenon.” – Mickey Guyton [07:12-07:41]

2. A “Sex and the City” Love Letter

• Mickey as a lifelong fan: Although too young to watch during the original run, Mickey shares how SATC shaped her adulthood, laughing about memorizing lines and dressing up for the movies.
  • “I've watched all the seasons since I was probably about 21. I’m 42 now, so it’s been a huge part of my life.” – Mickey Guyton [09:47-09:57]
• Kristin’s reflections: Kristin recalls the challenges and joys of making Season 3, which she considers the “heyday” of the show—long shoots, freezing days faking summer in New York.
  • “I believe this week was a hundred hour week.” – Kristin Davis [13:03]

3. Revisiting “Politically Erect”: Then and Now

• Character spotlight – John Slattery’s role: The hosts fondly remember guest star John Slattery’s captivating performance as politician Bill Kelly, and how his charisma masked his character’s flaws.
  • “Slattery’s charm is such that you don’t realize… you just don’t know what color the flag is.” – Kristin & Cynthia [21:26-21:33]
• Plot shock: They humorously confess misremembering the plot’s boundary-pushing moment—Carrie’s suitor wanting her to pee on him, not vice versa.
  • “I thought…the way I remembered it…was that he wants to pee on Carrie. Right? But that is not what it is. He wants her to pee on him. What on earth?” – Cynthia Nixon [22:10]

4. Sexual Boundaries & Empowerment: Then vs. Now

• Openness vs. Comfort: The show’s willingness to talk about kinks is praised for being ahead of its time, segueing into personal anecdotes about sexual boundaries and the importance of consent for women.
  • “Yes, let's not knock people for what they like. But…don’t do something you’re uncomfortable with. Women especially…do not do something that you are uncomfortable with, not ever.” – Cynthia Nixon & Mickey Guyton [24:11-24:38]
• Generational healing: Mickey explains millennials had to unlearn silence around discomfort, while Cynthia contemplates if her generation has caught up.
  • “There was a lot of unlearning in my generation.” – Mickey Guyton [24:57]

5. Cultural Critique and the Double Standard

• Media attitudes: The group discusses how the series faced ongoing critical disdain for being a women-driven show about sex, highlighting double standards in media.
  • “This is a show about women…there were still people who would write articles like, ‘well, this show is silly, but it's obviously caught on.’” – Cynthia Nixon [30:49]

6. Compromise, Authenticity, and Relationships

• Relating episode themes to dating today: The episode’s conflicts about compromise in relationships still resonate, especially in today’s polarized and dating-app-driven world.
  • “Like, wanting to compromise, wanting to make it work, because I genuinely feel like people really do want to meet somebody…and to have to make those considerations…” – Mickey Guyton [48:32-48:41]
• Boundaries aren’t just for Carrie: Both women discuss their own unwillingness to compromise core values in relationships, especially as mothers.
  • “I'm single, and…I’m like not willing to compromise.” – Cynthia Nixon [48:51]
  • “Therefore, you're just like, I’m fine all by myself. … What else do you need up there?” – Mickey Guyton [49:00-49:22]

7. Behind the Scenes: Fan Favorites and On-Set Experiences

• Steve Brady & Miranda's dynamic: Deep dive into Miranda and Steve’s evolving relationship—uncomfortable sex scene stories, Eigenberg’s acting, and the joy and awkwardness of on-screen romance.
  • “That is the scene when he holds her breast in a way I do not find attractive … I wanted to protect Cynthia better.” – Kristin Davis [42:13-42:38]
  • “He’s so awkward and…it makes so much sense. … He’s just so real, and those sex scenes are so real-seeming.” – Kristin Davis & Cynthia Nixon [43:42-43:59]
• Actors’ vulnerability: Kristin shares how intense and unpredictable acting work is—including the challenges and sacrifices of filming the show.
  • “You never know what's gonna happen ever. Ever, ever. … People think somehow that at some point that's not true. No, it’s always true.” – Kristin Davis [33:25]

8. ADHD & Creativity

• Candid conversation: The group candidly discusses their experiences with ADHD and how the disorder, while challenging, can actually fuel creativity and flexibility in artistic careers.
  • “I think there's a lot to be said for the creative arts and ADHD working well together. Because also…it's so interesting. It's kind of a heightened world.” – Cynthia Nixon [39:00-40:18]
  • “I can clean a whole entire house because I have ADD, because I go from room to room...three hours later, the whole house is clean.” – Mickey Guyton [39:10]

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Culture & Travel:

• "They started calling me 'mama.' ... It made me really think about Asian hate so much more here, because there's a sweetness..." – Mickey Guyton [07:12–07:41]

On Boundaries & Consent:

• “Women especially…do not do something that you are uncomfortable with, not ever, ever. Wherever the camera is, ever. Do anything that you're not uncomfortable with. You can say no.” – Cynthia Nixon & Mickey Guyton [24:38]

On Sex & Power:

• "Like, yes, I'm a politician who would like you to pee on me, but I'm still gonna dismiss you because you're just a sex columnist. Yes. Which is so ick." – Cynthia Nixon [31:15]

On Lasting Resonance:

• "I love that that became a thing. That's crazy...But it's a commitment that I'm happy to have. Right. Like, I'm. I feel like it's a rare, rare thing." – Kristin Davis [26:54–27:23]

---

Important Segment Timestamps

• [04:08–07:15]: Mickey Guyton shares behind-the-scenes stories of “Singer,” Asian fan culture, and life in Nashville.
• [09:39–10:07]: Mickey’s SATC fandom origin and how the show became part of her adult identity.
• [13:03]: Kristin on grueling filming schedules (“hundred hour week”) for SATC Season 3.
• [18:40–20:59]: John Slattery as Bill Kelly; breaking down his appeal and the complexities of his character.
• [22:10–24:38]: Discussion of consent, kinks, and generational shifts in openness about sexuality.
• [26:54–27:23]: Kristin on the legacy and personal cost (and privilege) of being “Charlotte.”
• [42:13–44:14]: Unpacking Miranda & Steve’s sex scenes—awkwardness and the actor’s authenticity.
• [39:00–40:52]: ADHD, creativity, and the arts.
• [48:32–49:22]: Relationships, compromise, and why raising kids as single women sets the bar high.

---

Tone & Style

The episode is warm, candid, irreverent, and empowering—just like “Sex and the City” itself. The hosts don’t shy away from vulnerability or humor, offering honest perspectives on sexuality, career challenges, and relationships while allowing room for laughter and personal confessions.

---

For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a perfect blend of nostalgia and relevancy—whether you’re a diehard “Sex and the City” fan, a newcomer wanting pop culture insights, or just here for stories about fame, personal growth, and the joy (and awkwardness) of being a modern woman. The chemistry between Kristin, Cynthia, and Mickey makes for an uplifting, illuminating listen that’s as much about self-acceptance and honesty as about television history.

Transcript

[Kristin Davis]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Make their holiday unforgettable with a gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry. A gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just sparkle but speaks. From new festive charms to forever rings and personal engravings, this season give a gift that's perfectly theirs. Whether you're shopping for a shiny surprise for your significant other, matching bracelets to celebrate your friendship, or a heartfelt gift for a family member, say more this holiday season with Pandora. Shop [e-mail] or visit your closest Pandora store.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Before all of the algorithm fed Bilar and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Podlings. You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. It's not mindless scrolling, it's a fashion pursuit. I recently found a dress I had been looking for since I was probably 19 that I saw on a show many moons ago and the feeling was exhilarating. Exhilarating. There's always more to discover on ebay. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity Guarantee Ebay things people love AG's.

[Cynthia Nixon]

New Fall 2025 collection, from Canvas to Cloth, is inspired by artists and their studios. As someone who plays a character deeply rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection blends creativity with wearability, from soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless and so chic. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men, too, perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at agjeans.com and use code KRISTIN15 for 15% off your next order. I'm going to be using my own discount, you guys. I'm so excited.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this fall, take care of the little ones in the family. With Baby Club Savings now through November 4, spend $25 on select Baby Club products and save $5. Shop for items like Pediasure bottles, Pedialyte powder packs, Huggies baby wipes, Huggies diapers, Gerber Puffs and Gerber pouches. And save $5 when you buy $25 or more on participating products. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

If you're waiting for your AI to turn into ROI and wondering how long you have to wait, maybe you need to do more than wait Any business can use AI. IBM helps you use AI to change how you do business. Let's create smarter business. IBM. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Oh, my goodness. Everybody, welcome back to are you a Charlotte? We have a very special guest today. This is my first time meeting her. She is amazing. Her name is Mickey Guyton. Mickey is a singer songwriter who is known for her single what are youe gonna Tell her and Black Like Me. And she became the first black woman to ever be nominated in the best country solo performance category. So she is a joy. She's also on a show called the Singer, which is China's most competitive music show, which has an average of 115 million viewers. 115 million viewers. It's insane. She is a country music star. I don't wear like her right now.

[Kristin Davis]

I look very California.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You look amazing.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love your hair. I love your whole look. My daughter would be like, how do I make that happen?

[Kristin Davis]

I got you. I got yourself the details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

I would not have looked like this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, you look fantastic, and I love it so much. And do you live here or do you live in Nashville?

[Kristin Davis]

I live here in Nashville.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Great.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. So my husband's a lawyer and he practices out here.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Got it.

[Kristin Davis]

And so I. I guess I am a Charlotte. Maybe.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We'll get there. We'll get there. You wait. You wait. We'll get there. But that's great. My publicist and best friend also lives in Nashville, in here. And she has chickens and horses and.

[Kristin Davis]

All that stuff there. I don't have that, but.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Well, I mean, one day you could get that if you want that. That's really why she moved there, because she wanted to. Yeah. Have that life back or really, I guess, for the first time. But she. She missed it, so she.

[Kristin Davis]

Nashville's awesome, too. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She loves it so much.

[Kristin Davis]

It is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's great sometimes, you know, there's a lot of flying involved.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Or flight. It's. It's tough. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Could be worse, though.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It could be worse.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It could be worse.

[Kristin Davis]

I was just in China. That flight was very long.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because you're on a show. I was. Tell us about this.

[Kristin Davis]

So I got the opportunity. It's basically what I like to describe it. The show is called the Singer, and I would describe it as, like, master Chef for singers.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

And you're getting judged by the audience. There's no judges.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's all professional singers, like, Jessie J has done this. Charlie Puth was there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

A guy, a Christian vocalist named and voice winner Jordan Smith was on it. And Adam Lambert. It's a really massive show. And I was out there for three months and I competed with artists from around the world, Chinese artists. It was crazy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was awesome. I have been to China and the jet lag, oh, it's so painful.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm still. I've been back for almost a month and I'm still exhausted.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Kristin Davis]

It was really hard.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's really hard.

[Kristin Davis]

And I even got this like circadian rhythm. It's called the flight kit.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I've seen it. It works.

[Kristin Davis]

But I worked when I was there, but when I came back, I didn't take it properly and I was just done.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay. I'm happy to hear this because I've seen it and I'm always like, no.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, it works. No, it really does work. You will not be fighting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's amazing. So do you continue with this show or is it. Are you done?

[Kristin Davis]

I'm done. I got second place.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Got it. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser 2]

Amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Congratulations.

[Kristin Davis]

It was amazing. It was such a. My son went with me out there, my husband, and it was just such an eye openening experience.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I can't even imagine being on a competition show in China.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

It was wild.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Also didn't have some kind of insane audience, like 112 million people or something crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

It was like every week. It was like singing at the super bowl every week. It was insane. There's so many people, people in China. And I was just getting exposed to such a really cool audience.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

They gave me gifts.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Amazing. Oh, that is one thing. When you travel in Asia, they give you gifts. It made me feel like a terrible.

[Kristin Davis]

Person because all I did was bring merch and I was like, here's a shirt. Meanwhile, they're giving me like 100 flower bouquets. It's terrible.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's the Swedish thing about Asian culture. Don't you think? It's very polite. And they also squeal in a very high pitched way.

[Kristin Davis]

They do you want to know my nickname? They started calling me mama.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, so big. Mommy. Mommy. I swear to God. Yeah, they called me mama. Yeah. That's so nice. Did they also sometimes cry all the time? Yeah, all the time.

[Kristin Davis]

Like they're very, you know, it made me really think about, you know, especially Asians here in America. And after experiencing, like, their hearts and the love and the sensitivity and how they wear their hearts on their sleeves, it made me think of Asian hate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So much more out here because there's A sweetness. Yeah. There's a sweet sweetness that is, I don't think understood necessarily as a cultural phenomenon.

[Kristin Davis]

100%.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I know that when we. When we did the films, we went to Tokyo, I guess it was the second film. And first of all, it was a next level type production to. To have anything entertainment related. We rose out of a stage. Oh, wow. Like something that you guys would do in the music world, you know, we rose out of a stage. We were terrified. We were like, what do you do when you're rising out of stage? Then when we got to the top, we had to walk down this staircase.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I believe so. Jessica and I held hands. And then while all the meanwhile there. I think there was smoke. I'm sure there was. And lights squealing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The whole time. And then by the time we got down there, Tears. Tears from the audience.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, it was so.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so beautiful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sweet and beautiful. And you do just want to hug everybody, you know, It's a very warm, warm feeling.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Same at the airport. Yes. People are there with huge gifts. Yes. At the airport.

[Kristin Davis]

They're at the hotels.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Every, like, you just have gifts. And it was like I said, I was like, here's a merch shirt. Thank you for this baccarat stemware that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You just got me.

[Kristin Davis]

Literally. Someone got me some baccarat stemware.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I couldn't believe it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But, I mean, if it's your merch, I feel like that's nice.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes, it's nice, but it's not baccarat.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You can't give it baccarat to everyone, I don't think. And how would you carry it? Yeah, right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But it is very lovely fan experience. Yes. And sometimes they'll write you letters that they hand you.

[Kristin Davis]

I met some from Hong Kong.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's very, very fascinating. Okay, all right. Okay. We're going to talk about this exercise. This is what's wonderful about Mickey. She is younger than me. I don't know how much. I'm not going to ask her, but she loves the show, which is so, so wonderful.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I'm always happy to meet new people who love the show. And I love to ask people, when did you first watch it? So I first.

[Kristin Davis]

So I was really young when Sex and the City came out, so I wasn't able to watch it when I was in high school. But I've watched all the seasons since I was probably about 21. I'm 42 now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Got it.

[Kristin Davis]

So it's been a huge part of my life. The movies, like, I definitely got all dressed up. I went to the movie theater to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Go see the movies.

[Kristin Davis]

It was just like I cursed the.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Day you were born. That was a good line. That was a really good line.

[Kristin Davis]

I think it's really great to this day.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank you. It does. It holds up.

[Kristin Davis]

It does hold up. It says everything that you need to say in that line.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's true. I should remember that line more often in my own line. You know, that is a useful, useful line. It is.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a useful line.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It really is. Thank you for reminding me. That's true. We haven't gotten to the movies yet. One day we'll get to the movies, but luckily we're kind of in a weird. You are here to help us with episode 302, which is in my mind when I think back. And I don't know if this is gonna be true when I'm rewatching, but when I think back of the heyday, like the amazing part of our show when everything gelled and came together, it's season three.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love season three so much. And when I. I don't know if you listen to the podcast, but, you know, I've been rewatching since the beginning, and I was very impressed with season one and season two because in my mind, we were still finding ourselves. It wasn't all together, the writing and the acting and the, you know, everything. And now, now I realize that all the pieces were there and maybe some episodes were this or that. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

I thought it was perfect from start to finish.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, you're so sweet. You're so sweet. It really was.

[Kristin Davis]

It's interesting from your perspective to hear.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That, you know, sometimes you're not objective. Right. Obviously. And also you remember what it felt like also more so than the finished product. And so, like, for first season, we filmed the whole thing without anything airing, which is common now in streaming. But back then with regular, like, tv, you would be on the air and you would know what the fan reaction was or what the ratings were, whatever thing you cared about. And luckily, HBO didn't really care about anything, which was great. They just wanted us to find our way and they gave us space and they were super supportive, you know, which is awesome. So rare. So rare in our business, you know, music or especially now tv. Right? Especially now. It's very different. It's very unusual to have that situation. So we're so lucky that we did. But when I look back, I mean, there's so many great things. This is what's funny about this episode too. This episode is called Lord help us. It's called politically erect, you guys. Okay. Wow. I mean, I watched this episode and in my mind, the things that I remember about this episode, we were just back to work. So whenever we would just come back to work, it was usually February and cold, which I didn't think about at all when I was watching this. Often when I see it, I'm like, oh, we're freezing right there. You know what I mean? I do think I have a cold in it. Like my Kristen has a cold in it. Yeah, I look a little off and my voice is a little off, but that's fine. I just, you know, it's me nitpicking. But we. I think this week is the week we would film two episodes at once. I believe this week was a hundred hour week.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yep.

[Kristin Davis]

My God. So you were just on set like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

24 hours all the time till the sun came up.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And. And we're trying to talk fast. Like the other thing that I watch when I was. Because this episode is directed by Michael Patrick King. He was writing. He had come on first season to write. Darren had created the show. Darren Starr. And then Michael Patrick was our second writer who came on and he really understood comedy, which was great. So he infused everything with a more comedic jokes and whatnot, I guess. I mean, they're not joke jokes like a sitcom, but, you know, funny, funny things.

[Kristin Davis]

Funny moments.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. And like timing. He was about timing and kind of like exact timing, which was important. But this episode aired for the first time in the year 2000, which means we made it probably. I think we usually came on in June. Yeah, June 11th. So we started filming in February of that year and then the episode would come on in June. My God. Once we got going, that was what we did. We'd go in February pretending it was the summer freezing in New York.

[Kristin Davis]

February, it's freezing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's gnarly. And you know what we wear tiny little clothes.

[Kristin Davis]

Really cute thing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank you. I don't know about you guys, but I love to buy gifts. I love it so much. I love it so much more than getting gifts, but. But the one thing that I do love, especially when it comes to my daughter, is getting matching things. I know it's such a cliche, but I love it so much. So I have the perfect brand for you. Pandora Jewelry can make their holiday unforgettable with the gift that says it all from Pandora jewelry A gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just sparkle but speaks. From new festive charms to forever rings and personal engravings, this season give a gift that's perfectly theirs. Whether you're shopping for a shiny surprise for your significant other, matching bracelets to celebrate your friendship, or a heartfelt gift for a family member, say more this holiday season with Pandora. Shop [e-mail] or visit your closest Pandora store.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Before all of the algorithm fed Bala and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession Podlings. You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I recently found a dress I had been looking for since I was 19. I saw it on a TV show and I swear it called out to me and it has been something I have come back to time and time again. I have searched everywhere, every every single secondhand store until finally I found it in my size. On ebay. It's about the thrill of finding pieces just like that. And I want you to find pieces that feel like you as well. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity Guarantee EBAY Things People love Tired.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

Of spills and stains on your sofa? WashablesOfAs.com has your back. Featuring the Annabe Collection, the only designer sofa that's machine washable inside and out. Where designer quality meets budget friendly prices. That's right, sofas start at just $699. Enjoy a no risk experience with pet friendly stain resistant and changeable slipcovers made with performance fabric. Experience cloud like comfort with high resilience foam that's hypoallergenic and never needs fluffing. The sturdy steel frame ensures longevity and the modular pieces can be rearranged anytime. Check out washablesofas.com and get up to 60% off your annabe sofa backed by a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. If you're not absolutely in love, send it back for a full refund. No return shipping or restocking fees. Every penny back Upgrade [e-mail] Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Cynthia Nixon]

AG's new Fall 2025 collection from Canvas to Cloth is inspired by artists and their studios. As someone who plays a character deeply rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection Blends creativity with wearability, from soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless, and so chic. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men, too. Perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at aggeans.com and use code KRISTEN15 for 15% off your next order. I'm going to be using my own discount, you guys. I'm so excited.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this fall, take care of the little ones in the family with baby Club Savings. Now through November 4th. Spend $25 on select Baby Club products and save $5. Shop for items like Pediasure bottles, Pedialyte powder packs, Huggies baby wipes, Huggies diapers, Gerber puffs, and Gerber pouches. And save $5 when you buy $25 or more on participating products. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay, so here we are. We're politically erect now. As I said, what I remember about this is Slattery, John Slattery. And this was his second episode. And I just remember it being just fantastic. Right. So then when I rewatched it, I'm like, this is dark.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I was kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

And so relevant for what's happening in.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, kind of a frightening way.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I had just so many moments of like, oh, God. Yeah. You know, and also, like, just how different the world is in ways that we could never have seen coming in the year 2000. Never. It's so sad. It really is so sad. And it makes me just. I mean, obviously we know that our, you know, political lives have, like, created this kind of really negative, argumentative.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Divided 1000 culture, which is so bad for the country.

[Kristin Davis]

It is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, whether we agree or don't agree, like, the tenor of the conversation is problematic.

[Kristin Davis]

Isn't that so wild?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

That it's like politics, like, what that is, has, like, divided a country.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I try my hardest not to straight on talk about politics. We do have a show called Politically Wrecked, and it's literally about a politician who has a peeing fantasy. It's really hard not to talk about it. Like, it's so wild, sane, but so relevant. And the thing about it that's so interesting and. Well, let's just talk about this storyline first because it is, like, super fascinating. I think. For one thing, John Slattery is a fantastic Actor and a great guy and so fun and so loose, which is what I remember and think of. Of course. And of course, since then he's been on Mad Men and he's amazing and everyone knows him now, which is such a joy. Right. To have an actor that we all knew because he's in New York and Sarah Jessica knew him and everybody knew him. And then to have him go on to this huge success is wonderful. But then to see that he actually kind of plays a ick character and so. Well. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

It was so natural.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Yeah, that's true. And if you think about Mad Men, he also. Also kind of is an A character. But Slattery's charm. Yes. Is such that you don't realize. Right. Like it kind of smooths it out over. Yeah. You know, to where you're just like.

[Kristin Davis]

If you're handsome.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, so non threatening. I don't know about non threatening.

[Kristin Davis]

He is threatening.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. But like, like good way when they're.

[Kristin Davis]

Good looking like that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, what is it about you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely something Most, most definitely has the it. He has the it factor for sure. Because, I mean, I don't know that I. I don't know that I would use the word threatening or non threatening, but he's so charismatic that in a room you can't not. Yeah. Be aware of him. You know, there's a flag there.

[Kristin Davis]

You just don't know what color it is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, exactly. You don't know if it's good or bad.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I mean, Slaughtery in life. Yeah, it's good.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's what's funny about when you watch the show. You're like, oh, no, it's not good, it's bad.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The character. No, no bueno. But Slattery in life. Yes, yes, yes. All the way. Yes. Right. He's just a joy. So it's really interesting to look back because of course you don't remember what's on the screen necessarily. You remember the vibe, you know, in.

[Kristin Davis]

The room and you just knew something was coming. You just didn't know what it was.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Going to be 100%. And I. This is my other admission about the storyline. I thought the way that I remembered it was that he wants to pee on Carrie. Right. But that is not what it is.

[Kristin Davis]

She wants. He wants.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He wants her to pee on him. What on earth?

[Kristin Davis]

You know, this, this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know it's so hard to talk about. Right. But this is the potency of the show. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Here we are, it's 2025 and this show came out in 2000. 2000 with nothing on it. And we still have trouble talking about it. But this is what I want to ask you about, because you're younger than me, so to me, when I look at our just culture in general around sexuality, it has advanced, right, in terms of, like, people are more free to be who they are and to like what they like. And, you know, they'll say things like, you know, this is my kink. It's, you know, don't shame it. You know, there's that vibe out there. Right. But I mean, for me, it's hard for me to understand that this. Do you. What do you think?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I just. Because something similar happened to, like, one of my absolute best friends.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, tell us all about it.

[Kristin Davis]

So I can't name her name, of course. She would kill me, but that's fine. She was dating this guy and I. He was a little actor. Oh, handsome.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, no.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, beautiful. Really. And they were like, they just came together and like, we thought, oh, this is about to be your man. Like, this is going to be so good. I'm so happy for you. And it was all going well until he wanted to sit on her face.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, no. And he had like a. Oh, no, no. Yeah. Don't say anything else. Don't say anything else. That's horrible. What did she do?

[Kristin Davis]

It was something that she could just. It was very. This whole thing, like, she just couldn' no follow through with that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I get that. This is what I think is really, really important.

[Kristin Davis]

Knock him, like, whatever it is that you do, but that's not. I'm not comfortable.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I think that's what's so important, is you absolutely have to stand up for what is good for you or not good for you. Right. We were not prepared for that. No. But you know what? This is the show, right. This is the thing is that we're going to talk about stuff. Okay. But the thing that I think is important is, on the one hand, yes, let's not knock people for what they like. But on the other hand, don't do something you're uncomfortable with. Yes. Women especially, I feel, do not do something that you are uncomfortable with.

[Kristin Davis]

Not ever, ever. Wherever the camera is, ever. Do anything that you're not uncomfortable with. You can say no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And you can leave that situation.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

Often, especially, you know, I'm a millennial. Like, we were just taught to kind of keep our mouth shut and kind of deal with things.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You feel like that's true.

[Kristin Davis]

Very much so. I think there was A lot of unlearning in my generation, for sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think that's certainly true for my generation. I don't even know that we've unlearned it. I don't think maybe we have.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we're trying to unlearn it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's a process.

[Kristin Davis]

It is a process, but that's why we talk about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right. That's why we talk about it.

[Kristin Davis]

The listeners, these stories. Because, you know, we've all been in compromising situations and you can absolutely get out of that. You can say, no, this is weird. I don't knock it, but this is weird for me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right. And that's a delicate line, but I think that is something as a society that we're kind of learning, which I think is great. Yeah. Because it used to just be like, you know, oh, my God. Or whatever. Like the, you know, you can't talk about it. Right. And not talking about it is not helping.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, let's talk about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's the joy of our show. And let's talk about podcast. We must also talk about our podcast. The thing that was so interesting to me. So when we start the episode, she says, the voiceover says, so I had been dating whatever his name is. Hold on. My politician, Bill Kelly. Bill Kelly. Such a politician name for three weeks. But she's full on in, like Jackie O Year, which I love so much. She's got the nice sunglasses. She says she went shopping, she found a vintage coat. The dress with the flowers. Yes. The flowers are in full bloom. We are suddenly in the full bloom carry flower era. And it is great. I mean, who knew? We certainly did not know at the time that this was going to be a huge thing that would follow us for 30 years. Never.

[Kristin Davis]

It hasn't left.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. It's adorable. It's adorable. I mean, I'll see dresses now where I'm like, well, I can't wear that because there's a big flower on it. What a bummer. I'd love to wear it, but I can't wear it. You know what I mean? It's Carrie. Right. It's so interesting. But I love that. I love that that became a thing. That's crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

That, that because of.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. You.

[Kristin Davis]

Who you are. That that's something you have to. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have to go through a whole thought process like, oh, that's a carry thing. I can't wear it. And then I'll think like, oh, well, look at this. Just. And I'll be like, oh, see that Charlotte. But I've been playing her so long, right. That then I'm like, well, do I want to look like Charlotte for that event, or do I not want to look like Charlotte for that event? Those are my only two choices. It's a lifetime commitment. It's a lifelong commitment, but it's a commitment that I'm happy to have. Right. Like, I'm. I feel like it's a rare, rare thing. This.

[Kristin Davis]

That's lightning in a bottle.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

Like what you experienced.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

It's the phenomena of that and what that did for so many women.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank goodness.

[Kristin Davis]

It empowered women so much.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. We had no idea. We had no idea that was going to. Yeah, like, we had no idea.

[Kristin Davis]

And we're saving lives here in the Sex and the City.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know about that, but that's very sweet. But I did also think there was a moment where I'm going to jump to the end of their storyline for a second. But so basically, here's flattery. His handsome, handsome self playing this politician. And here's Carrie really, like, committing to being on the campaign trail with him, which I was. I didn't remember that. I was like, she's on the campaign and they're trying to put buttons on her and her vintage jacket. You know what I mean? So she's somehow just, like, fully in it, which I feel like this is the first time that you're seeing her, maybe the Justin Theroux character also, because she loved his family, but this is the first time you're seeing her with someone other than Big, where you feel like, oh, it might work. Which is then why it's really sad, of course, when it doesn't work because of this thing that he wants her to do, but she just can't bring herself to do. But at the very end, when he. So basically, she very sweetly tries to come up with all the other things she could do. She says something like, you know, maybe when we're having sex, we could run some water or tea.

[Kristin Davis]

Some hot tea.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my gosh. It made me laugh so hard because it was the sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

She was trying to compromise.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She really was trying to compromise in, like, the most adorable way. And I love the way they filmed it because he's in the shower and you can't see his face and she's sitting in the bathroom, like, so sweet, you know, in the sheet. Totally. And she's so kind of vulnerable, and you can see how much she really likes him, that she's trying to make this work out. You know, which is kind of, I feel, like, rare for her. I don't know if that's true, but I feel like it's a little rare for anyone other than Big. Right? For Big, obviously, a lot of compromise involved, but for other people, we haven't really seen that.

[Kristin Davis]

Let it go, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

She didn't want to. She didn't want to let it go. She wanted to make it work out. She wanted to be on the campaign trail looking like oltechyo. And, you know, it was like a. A fun part for her to play, kind of. So she's trying to make it work, and then, you know, he's silent in the shower for a while, and then he moves the shower curtain, and he says, oh, you know, I wanted to tell you something. And he's kind of a bit of a jerk. And she goes, huh? And her cute little vulnerable face. Huh? And he says, you know. You know how I was telling you? I read the column, and, you know, there are people in my life in the campaign who feel like maybe it was a little much. And she's like, oh. And you could just see her wheels to the audacity. Exactly. Like, what does he mean? And then he says, you know, they were just thinking that right in the middle of a campaign that I shouldn't be, you know, dating a sex columnist. And she was like, but wait a minute.

[Kristin Davis]

You wanted me to pee on you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. And then he says, but nobody knows that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then. Exactly. She has the power of her column, which is a great thing, but it also reminded me in the writing. This was written by Darren, directed by Michael Patrick. We were still battling this kind of sexist reaction to the show, and I feel like that's what they were writing in there.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because there were still people who would write articles like, well, this show is silly, but it's obviously caught on. You know, it was always, like, kind of a. A hit against it. This is a show about women because.

[Kristin Davis]

They didn't understand it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. And because it wasn't, you know, what they considered prestige tv, Right. Like, prestige TV was about gangsters killing people.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No offense to the Sopranos, because we love them, but, you know, that was, like, serious, you know, Emmy town. Let's go. Right. We were the girls talking about sex. So they'd be like, oh, you know, this show with all these girls talking about, God forbid, roll their eyes. You know, that's.

[Kristin Davis]

We don't do that in person.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. Right. And it was so. We battled that for so long, and I felt like that was what they were kind of writing in also like that you could get put down really quickly because of that, which is what you see him do to her. Like, yes, I'm a politician who would like you to pee on me, but I'm still gonna dismiss you because you're just a sex columnist. Yes. Which is so ick. But also I love how they. So it is. Right, Right. I agree.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I also love how they were. So I feel like, because we were living these things, you know, as a group, because here we are. We loved our show so much. We were so committed. We've got 100 hour week going on. Right. Like no one in our lives has seen us except for ourselves in the show and behind the scenes. Right. Like, that's how committed. Like we love our show so much. Michael, Patrick and I were just talking about this with. And just like that, we. We live in Los Angeles with our families and we leave to go to New York to do the show. That's how much we love it. Right. And so then for people to say like that we weren't committed or that we weren't somehow doing our best, it just hurts, you know, because.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is wild to me that they would say that. But that this episode was very indicative to what you were going through in real life.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yep. I mean, always. They are always writing something in that way. But it was. It's always just funny to me when they write that part in. Right. You know what I mean? Like the critique is like inherent in the plot.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, like God forbid, four women are sexy, beautiful, intelligent, and have a body that they love and want to date. Like God forbid that that's something they have in that. The fact that they put that down.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. I know, that's.

[Kristin Davis]

I guess that's what film does. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, I mean, that's what we try to do when we're lucky enough to get a green light.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you know what I'm saying? Which is a struggle that also people don't even understand.

[Kristin Davis]

I can't even like imagine like every year hoping your show gets picked back up. That is like such an incredible pressure and you sacrificing so much for that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's true. But I mean, I think all of acting is like that. Right. So if you're even, even in it, you know, that's inherent, you know, which is a crazy lifestyle for sure. You never know what's gonna happen ever, ever, ever. Which is true for everyone in kind of the cosmic sense. But in actors world, it's like true on A day to day. Do you know what I mean? You could get it a big job tomorrow or you could get no job for a year. You know what I'm saying? And that's still really true. I mean, people think somehow that at some point that's not true. No, it's always true. It, it never gets better. You just might have money in the bank, which is of course wonderful. Lord. You know what I mean, right? I don't know about you guys, but I love to buy gifts. I love it so much. I love it so much more than getting gifts. But the one thing that I do love, especially when it comes to my daughter, is getting matching things. I know it's such a cliche, but I love it so much. So I have the perfect brand for you. Pandora Jewelry can make their holiday unforgettable with the gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry. A gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just sparkle, but speaks. From new festive charms to forever rings and personal engravings. This season give a gift that's perfectly theirs. Whether you're shopping for a shiny surprise for your significant other, matching bracelets to celebrate your friendship or a heartfelt gift for a family member. Say more this holiday season with Pandora. Shop [e-mail] or visit your closest Pandora store.

[Podcast Advertiser 2]

Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Twat stars. You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I have sold clothes on ebay and know the feeling of finding the perfect item on ebay. My daughter Sophia is the one who inspired me to use ebay. She loves it as well. We are big fans. It's about the thrill of finding pieces that feel like me. And I want you to find the pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee Ebay things people love.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

There's nothing like sinking into luxury. @washablesofas.com you'll find the Anabe sofa which combines ultimately get comfort and design at an affordable price. And get this, it's the only sofa that's fully machine washable from top to bottom. Starting at only $699. The stain resistant performance fabric slipcovers and cloud like frame duvet can go straight into your wash Perfect for anyone with kids, pets or anyone who loves an easy to clean spotless sofa. With a modular design and changeable slipcovers, you can customize customize your sofa to fit any space and style. Whether you need a single chair loveseat or a luxuriously large sectional, Annabe has you covered. Visit washablesofas.com to upgrade your home. Right now you can shop up to 60% off store wide with a 30 day money back guarantee. Shop [e-mail] Add a little to your life. Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Cynthia Nixon]

AG's new Fall 2025 collection, from Canvas to Cloth, is inspired by artists and their studios. As someone who plays a character deeply rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection blends creativity with wearability, from soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless and so Chicago. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men too, perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at aggeans.com and use code KRISTIN15 for 15% off your next order. I'm going to be using my own discount, you guys. I'm so excited.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through November 4th. Shop the annual beauty event and save $5 when you spend $25 on select products. Shop in store or online for items like Dove Body Wash, Native Body Wash, Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser, Dr. Squatch body wash, Neutrogena Hydro Boost Water Gel, Dial Liquid Hand Soap and Olay Body wash. And save $5 when you spend $25 or more. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So sometimes I have trouble staying sticking to my I do too.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm a Gemini and have add, so. God, we can jump back and forth.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Apparently I might have ADD as well. For sure have. Wow. Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love it.

[Kristin Davis]

If I was reading a book and you confessed to a murder, I would have never heard it. I could just be in my book and I wouldn't hurt.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, that's kind of wonderful. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

If you ever need to confess anything to me, just come to me and I'll read my book and I will literally not hear anything.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Can I ask you a question? Then we're gonna get. We're gonna get back to the show, but I wanna ask you a Question. Do you feel that this helps your creative life?

[Kristin Davis]

Like, talking about.

[Podcast Advertiser 2]

No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No. Having adhd?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. I mean, yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It helps it the lot of my life. Like, I can clean a whole entire house because I have add, because I go from room to room, room to room to room, until, like, three hours later, and then the whole house is clean.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But it takes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, that's amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. But it's like, I will go to the bathroom and go wipe the mirrors down and be like, oh, I gotta put this laundry up. And then I'll go down and go down to the laundry room and put the laundry in and be like, oh, I need to go mop the floors. And it's just this whole thing. It's terrible. But, yes, it does.

[Cynthia Nixon]

One of the things I think about in terms of, you know, actors and music and all the creative things, because we don't have, like, a regular desk job.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Where you're having to go to the same place every time and do the same thing. Even Sex and City, which we've been doing all together, you know, since the year 1998. Still very different. Right. Everywhere we went, every day is different. You're in a different place. You have different actors, you have different lines. Hopefully, you're with the same people, which is the joy as an actor for me, at least. But you don't get into acting thinking that's gonna happen. You get into acting thinking you're gonna get this challenge over here and then hopefully this challenge over here, and then hopefully this challenge over here. And I think that there's a lot to be said for the creative arts and ADHD working well together. Because also, it's so interesting. It's kind of a heightened world. Right.

[Podcast Advertiser 2]

Like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, you're performing. It makes your dopamine, like, you get a jolt.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you're. You're up in a heightened world.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which I feel like connects.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you feel that?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. 1,000%, now that you think about it. And I think having ADHD enables you, like you said, to bounce between jobs. Then it's like cleaning the house. Right, Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In between.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, exactly. You're able to do all these things and compartmentalize. Right. Your different emotions.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's right. That's right. Which is super important.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Look at you.

[Kristin Davis]

I. I think about deep right now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think about these things. I mean, only because apparently I might have adhd. I don't know. It's all right.

[Kristin Davis]

I definitely do.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I'm glad that you definitely do and that you know it. Good for you.

[Kristin Davis]

And Good for you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That you can use it to channel things. Okay, Back to the episode. Back to the episode. Okay. Let me ask you, because this is what I've decided to do now. I like to stick with one storyline.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And kind of, like, suss it out because it's interesting to look at how they develop it over the show. Right. And what happens. And I love. I'm curious. Do you love Brady? David. David Eigenberg? Steve Brady? I mean, you don't. I can tell by your face. Oh, my God.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Tell me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, no, I do. I do. I do. Tell me. Do you not think he's right for Miranda?

[Kristin Davis]

I do think he's right for Miranda.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But sometimes during this episode, I thought he wasn't.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Because when he meets, you know, at the party.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's uncomfortable.

[Kristin Davis]

I was really, really, really uncomfortable. You know, knowing where the show ends up, it makes so much sense that they weren't. They were never gonna be right together.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so fascinating. Right. Because now we know so much more, and you're watching it with a different understanding. But also, the thing that I think is. So, first of all, I think Eigenberg is a great actor.

[Kristin Davis]

Great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So anytime they're together, I'm very much wowed by Eigenberg because Cynthia is a very powerful actor as well, and he more than holds his own with her, you know? So, like, for instance, that scene in bed where he tells her that he loves her. First of all, that is the scene when he holds her breast in a way that I do not find attractive. And I was very unhappy with him and unhappy with everyone on the set that day, that they did not protect Cynthia better. And I wanted to. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Were you like, ow.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No way.

[Kristin Davis]

Does that like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Ow. It was a. Ouch. That's not real life. Yeah. I mean, I'm afraid it might be real life for some people.

[Kristin Davis]

Not real life.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Where do you come up with it? You know what I'm trying to say?

[Kristin Davis]

Like, let me just, like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like squeeze it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, it looked painful, but it didn't look comfortable. No. And I was like, why didn't someone just say just, no, it wasn't sexy? Because it looked like it hurt.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that might have been also a part. Like, I think all of the sex scenes they had together, he always made me feel a little uncomfortable.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Podcast Advertiser 2]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I feel when I watch Eigenberg, it's interesting for me now because at the time, there was too much going on for me to really think about Eigenberg.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I didn't hardly ever get to work with him, you know, and I tried to get him on the podcast and he just cannot come on because he can't remember anything he says and he doesn't want to talk about his work, which I find so adorable. Yeah. But part of the reason I think that that is true is that he is so unbelievably real.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Like, when I'm watching him, because he's so awkward and it's, It's. It makes so much sense.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. You know, like, it's like he's not acting. I know that he's acting and he's a very good actor, but he's just so real. And like, those sex scenes are so real. Seeming.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Compared to all the others, especially. Right. Like, they're very different. So on the one hand, he's. Look at me. I'm like, I know you're. You're in a protective. You're a protective mode, which I am too. Just me. The squeezing of the breast is just, Just I. It really. It really upset me at the time too.

[Kristin Davis]

We're just like, I know, I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I. I said to Cynthia, I was like, sin, I am going to come to the set the next time that you have a sex scene with Eichenberg, and I'm going to have a chat with him. And she was like, no, you're not. It was fine. No, no, no. Because she has no vanity or. Or self awareness or anything. Meaning in a good way. Totally squeeze them. You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I was like, babe, how'd you get through that day?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know how many times you have to do that? Yeah, a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But back to the scene. He tells her in that scene that he loves her and it's so good. And I didn't remember it. I remember the squeezing of the boobs. But like, I was like, what's gonna happen? Because he's just so good. You don't even know what he's gonna say. It's so good. And she's so good. But I did also love before that, when they're walking down the street and, you know, she's all her powerful corporate self and he's his kind of adorable, goofy self, and he's talking about how he wants to go steady and she looks. I mean, look like he so doesn't read her.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

During me. Like, her face is like, no, no. But she doesn't say it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She just thinks it. He's like, I know, right? I know. I always wanted some.

[Kristin Davis]

I Think she always thought. And her character always thought she deserved something better.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But see, then my question is, and. And I think it's hard for me to totally separate from Charlotte's journey.

[Podcast Advertiser 1]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, what would have been better? I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, maybe Blair Underwood.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, he was so good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I loved their relationship together.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So maybe Blair Underwood.

[Kristin Davis]

I also loved when, you know, Steve, of course. Like, that was one of my favorite scenes when she was like, I love you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And of course. Of course, of course. And I mean, they. That whole. We're not to that season yet, but that. The way that they played the two of them.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They were so hot. The writing. So hot. So hot. And just. Just sad. Sad. Side note, we were planning a way to bring Blair back too. And just like that. I know, right? Like dagger to the heart.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like dagger, dagger. That we didn't get to do that. I'm not even gonna get into the whys that we didn't get to do that. But we had a plan. We were so excited. I know, right? Because we need Blair in everything. In everything that we do.

[Kristin Davis]

He was everything.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. And I remember at the time being so excited that we got him. But I don't mean to diminish Eigenberg, because there's a part of me where I feel. And I feel like he's perfect.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, everything was so perfect.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. And he's out in a way that kind of Harry evened Charlotte out. So even though we're very far from finding Harry, when I watch them, I do think about the fact that they're different. And the fact that they're different might be a positive.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it's perfect. Like, you need someone when you have someone. Like, you know, Cindy or Miranda's character, she was so strong, so indecisive, so independent. She needed someone that annoyed her just enough. But he was so sweet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like he was like a puppy dog. He is sometimes like a puppy dog. That's true. And I feel a little afraid for him. Do you mean. I feel a little afraid for him sometimes.

[Kristin Davis]

But he could handle it because puppy dogs. Like, that's true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's true. But because they had already broken up the first round, which would have been season two, and he just looks so hurt when they break up that time. Like, so hurt. So I do feel concerned for him a little bit also, I think, because we know where it's going, so it's hard not to feel a little bit worried.

[Kristin Davis]

I know we're like, oh, you'll be fine.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, kind of. And kind of. Not like it's sad. I don't know. I had a lot of sad and weird feelings watching this particular episode. I tell you, I don't know if it's just my mood today or whatever, but it was a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

It was. I think it's because it's so relevant to today.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. You know, I think you're right in a way that you just can't even.

[Kristin Davis]

It's even stronger right now. Like, I do see.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, it has resonance.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Like, you even see, like, Gen Z that are in the dating world right now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You felt that when you're watching it.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, like, that's what I was thinking about, really. You know, like, you know, like, women that are liberal that, you know, will go on these dating apps, and what you see, it's so relevant and compromising.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, wanting to compromise, wanting to make.

[Kristin Davis]

It work, because I. I genuinely feel like people really do want to meet somebody.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

And to have to make those considerations.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, that's a real thing, you know? Yes, I do.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I can't imagine.

[Cynthia Nixon]

See, I'm single, so I totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, God, no, I'm single, and, you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Know, I'm, like, not willing to compromise.

[Kristin Davis]

Therefore, you can't. Therefore, you're just like, I'm. I'm fine all by myself.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I got my kids, so I. I. Everything about them, you know? Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I told. I told him if my husband and I don't make it, I. Like, that's it for me. Like, I've found the love.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm sure you will.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, I. I absolutely think we will. But, you know, like, I just think about it, like, like you said, when you have your kids, like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

What else do you need up there?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely. I mean, there are things that are missing. Don't get me wrong. Absolutely. But, you know, it's like, are you gonna take time away?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And are you worth it for me to take?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely. That's, you know, you have to be like, the bar is, like, all the.

[Kristin Davis]

Way in heaven right now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, it's really, really high.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay. It is too much fun talking to you, Mickey. We're gonna have to have you back. We're gonna keep going, you guys. Join us later in the week for part two about episode 302. I'm not gonna say the title again. AG's new fall 2025 collection from Canvas to Cloth is inspired by artists and their studios. As someone who plays a character deeply rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection blends creativity with wearability, from soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless and so chic. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men, too, perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at agjeans.com and use code KRISTIN15 for 15% off your next order. I'm going to be using my own discount, you guys. I'm so excited.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through November 4th. Shop the annual beauty event and save $5 when you spend $25 on select beauty products. Shop in store or online for items like Dove Body Wash Native Body Wash, Cetaphil gentle skin cleanser, Dr. Squatch body wash, Neutrogena Hydro Boost water gel, Dial Liquid hand soap and Olay body wash. And save 5 DOL when you spend $25 or more. Offer ends November 4th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details. Ah, greetings from my bath, festive friends. The holidays are overwhelming, but I'm tackling this season with PayPal and making the most of my money getting 5% cash back when I pay in 4. No fees, no interest. I used it to get this portable spa with jets. Now the bubbles can cling to my sculpted but pruny body. Make the most of your money this holiday with PayPal. Save the offer in the app ends1231 see paypal.com promoter points can be redeemed for cash and more. Paying for subject to terms and approval. PayPal Inc. And MLS 910457 get ready to power up your play with Nintendo Switch 2. Power up the visuals with 4K support and a bigger, more vivid screen. Power up the fun with exclusive new games. Games like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong bonanza. Nintendo Switch 2 all together, anytime anywhere. Games rated E to E10 plus games and systems sold separately. Compatible TV required for 4K display.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What kind of man would let this happen to his family? Inspired by shocking actual events working on the story about the Murdochs, their abuses of power are playing out in real time. Starring Academy Award winner Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark. It's only cheating if you get caught. Hulu Original Series Murdoch Death in the Family New episodes Wednesdays on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply.

[Kristin Davis]

This is an I Heart podcast.