Is Slut a Bad Word? with Not Skinny Not Fat Amanda Hirsch... (S3 E6 "Are We Sluts?")

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Is Slut a Bad Word?" with Not Skinny But Not Fat Amanda Hirsch

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte?
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Amanda Hirsch (Not Skinny But Not Fat)
Season 3, Episode 6 ("Are We Sluts?")
Date: November 24, 2025

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Overview

This episode of Are You A Charlotte? features Kristin Davis (Charlotte from Sex and the City) and pop culture commentator Amanda Hirsch, host of Not Skinny But Not Fat. The pair delve into "Are We Sluts?" (Sex and the City, S3E6)—an episode that originally aired in 2000—and discuss the evolution of conversations around sexuality, shame, and womanhood. Their lively, reflective discussion unpacks how societal views on women, sex, and language have changed, the impact of Sex and the City then and now, and why the “slut” label still matters. The podcast blends nostalgia, media critique, and personal perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Genesis of Amanda's Brand & the Power of Pop Culture Fandom

[04:16–09:49]

• Amanda reflects on starting her Not Skinny But Not Fat brand organically from her passion for talking about pop culture:
  “It was just a passion... I kept going and going... If you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it.”
• Kristin and Amanda discuss the rise of community-centered pop culture fandom, fueled by the internet and social media:
  “Even think about rewatch podcasts. People love diving deeper—even if they’ve watched the show a million times.”
• Amanda shares how letting go of self-consciousness, approaching content like acting, and having fun with lip-syncing ultimately freed her creativity.

Revisiting 'Sex and the City' and 'Breaking the Fourth Wall'

[09:49–13:02]

• Kristin talks about the decision to revisit and discuss the show from the inside—a rarity when it first aired:
  "We felt like we shouldn’t talk about the reality... we just wanted it to live in a fantasy on the screen."
• Both discuss the cultural shift toward wanting “inside baseball” details, but Amanda raises concerns about oversharing and whether audiences are losing some of the magic:
  "Let us live in the fantasy that these actors are in love... Now, every kissing scene is dissected."
• The downside of tabloid culture and paparazzi:
  • Back then, paparazzi coverage was less pervasive and less real-time; now, everything is immediate and “papered” across social media.
  • Kristin describes how location shoots in NYC could be spoiled by leaks, and sometimes the crew staged fake scenes to throw off the paps.

The Legacy and Uniqueness of 'Sex and the City'

[17:03–19:40]

• Kristin acknowledges the challenge of being labeled “iconic” in real time and only later being able to appreciate the show's impact:
  "Until you have some time and distance... it’s really hard to take it in."
• She highlights what set Sex and the City apart:
  • Four very different women, all seeking fulfillment, who talk openly about relationships and sex—not a soap opera, but a blend of comedy and drama from a women’s perspective.
  • The show's influence paved the way for more nuanced women's stories, like those in Girls and Insecure.

The Structure and Timelessness of the Show

[24:06–27:59]

• The hosts are amazed at how much storytelling fits into 23-minute episodes.
  "So much story—no wonder people are binging it now because it’s freaking bingeable." – Amanda
• Kristin details how hard it was to shoot, with quick dialogue, multiple overlapping storylines, and rapid transitions—more like filming a movie than a sitcom.
• The tight writing and character-driven silence are identified as a core reason the show remains relevant.

Deep Dive: “Are We Sluts?” Episode Analysis

Samantha’s Story: Shame, Judgment, and Vulnerability
[28:02–29:53]

• Kristin had forgotten Samantha’s storyline about being shamed by her building after a late-night hookup inadvertently led to a crime. She empathizes with the emotional pain behind Samantha’s bravado:
  “Samantha’s bluster... but you can see the hurt in her face... to be judged like that cuts deep.”

Miranda’s Story: Sexual Past and Honesty
[29:53–36:13]

• Amanda highlights Miranda and Steve’s “body count” conversation—Steve’s “What? I’m a bartender and I’m cute!”
  [31:01] Amanda: "The minute Steve said, 'What? I'm a bartender and I'm cute,' I was brought back… That’s like top 20, a line you remember forever."
• Discussion of Miranda handling her chlamydia diagnosis and calls to past partners with authenticity and coolness.
  [37:41] Podcast Host: "If you need to watch an instructional video on how to tell a partner, slap on this episode."
• Both agree Miranda’s mature reaction is refreshing and instructive, despite Steve’s initially childish response.

Carrie and Aiden: Chemistry, Double Standards, and Game Playing
[39:52–53:54]

• Re-examining early Aiden, Amanda remarks that he was "dreamy" at the time, but now his controlling or withholding tendencies stand out more:
  [46:26] Podcast Host: "I was like, okay, love the nook, love the vibes, but did not love... why is it your decision by yourself when you're gonna penetrate?"
  • Kristin and Amanda debate whether Aiden’s boundary-setting was refreshing or patronizing.
• They discuss how Carrie, after heartbreak with Big, doubts herself and goes along with Aiden’s pace—highlighting the perennial question of how long to ‘wait’ before sex, and the pressure women put on themselves.
• Amanda admits the “rules” of dating and intimacy still confuse and frustrate her, and both advocate for “letting it be organic”:
  [58:11] Podcast Host: "Maybe there's like the person for you that you can just be you..."
• The hosts note Carrie and Aiden’s “insane chemistry,” with Amanda obsessing over how “real” the kissing feels on-screen.

The Enduring Relevance of Sex and Shame Conversations

[55:08–58:34]

• The question, “Is ‘slut’ a bad word?” is reframed as still relevant; issues around sexual stigma, judgment, and game's-playing persist for women of all ages.
• Amanda and Kristin acknowledge generational shifts (from office phones to hookups post-3-dinner rule) but admit that shame and complexity around sex remain constant.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Doing What You Love:
  “If you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it.”
  — Amanda Hirsch [07:31]

• On Wanting to Preserve Mystery:
  "Let us live in the fantasy that these actors are in love. I don’t care that you have a family and, like, husband."
  — Podcast Host [11:32]

• On Samantha’s Strength and Humanity:
  “Samantha’s bluster... but you can see the hurt in her face... to be judged like that cuts deep.”
  — Kristin Davis [29:39]

• Steve’s Legendary Line:
  “What? I’m a bartender and I’m cute.”
  — Steve (as discussed by Amanda Hirsch) [31:01]

• On Carrie’s Dating Dilemma:
  “Why is it your decision by yourself, like, when you’re gonna penetrate?”
  — Podcast Host [47:21]

• On the Timelessness of Sex and Judgment:
  “These are questions that will never go away.”
  — Amanda Hirsch [55:50]

• On Dropping the Games:
  “Maybe there's like the person for you that you can just be you... and let it be organic.”
  — Podcast Host & Amanda Hirsch [58:11–58:16]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [04:16–09:49]: Amanda’s brand origin, the power of authentic fandom
• [09:49–13:02]: The downside of “breaking the fourth wall,” paparazzi, changing perceptions
• [17:03–19:40]: The show’s unique legacy and representation of women
• [24:06–27:59]: Dissecting the structure, writing, and binge-ability of Sex and the City
• [28:02–29:53]: Samantha’s vulnerability and the pain of slut-shaming
• [29:53–36:13]: Miranda’s chlamydia plot, honesty about sexual pasts, and memorable show lines
• [39:52–53:54]: Re-examining Aiden, Carrie’s dating mistakes, chemistry vs. games
• [55:08–58:34]: Modern dating “rules," the persistence of sexual stigma

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Tone and Style

Lively, candid, and reflective—a mix of pop culture critique, personal anecdotes, and open-hearted dialogue. Both Kristin and Amanda blend nostalgia with sharp observations about how women’s sexuality, relationships, and “slut” labels are still loaded topics today. The tone is humorous, self-aware, and empathetic.

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For Listeners

Whether or not you’ve watched the episode, this conversation offers a smart, funny, and nuanced exploration of sex, shame, and social change—through the lens of classic and contemporary pop culture. It’s as much about who we are as what we watch.

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[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Hi.

[Kristen Davis]

Hi everyone. Welcome to Are you a Charlotte? Today we have the amazing Amanda Hirsch. She is the founder, creator and host.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Of not not Skinny but not Fat, which is its whole brand.

[Kristen Davis]

And she is here today to rewatch Are we sluts? Which aired July 16th in the year 2000 and it was directed by Nicole Hlofsener, written by Cindy Shupak.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I like that intro because I feel like you personally have been on the forefront of kind of navigating this new world that we live in with what appears to be ease. So I would love just a, just a minute, you know, kind of description like how did you build this whole brand? Like you were so smart to start when you did.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I was smart, I guess, but I think it was just out of pure. And this is like advice that I give people is like my passion was so there that when I started it wasn't even like let me build this brand. And you know, it was like if this is a hobby, if this is I do this after work to fill my soul, then that's what it is. If this gets me an opportunity or a cool connection or I always thought like something good can come of this. And I just kept going and going. And this was like before Tik Tok where you'd like. I know. How old do I sound that it's like before TikTok.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, I'm way older than you. So you know, roll, roll with it.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I mean I know you've been doing by the way, you've doing so good content wise. You deserve all the props. I feel like you've been.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I killing it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I try but it's not easy, right? It's not easy because for me, obviously you remember what it used to Be like, I mean, you started it not seeing that fat in 2016. Right. Is that right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So, I mean, that was. It doesn't seem like that long ago, but in some ways, we're just moving so quickly now in terms of the changing. And for me, I've been, you know, Sex and City, we started in 1998, which is insane, right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Insane.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And obviously I was acting before that. And so just the amount of change that's happened and me trying to just force myself to be in the present, it's hard sometimes, you know, it's like, huh. But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Like, you get into it. I can tell that you. Because I think, like, whether or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever it is, like, you can tell when it's like, okay, but she gets it. Like, she gets it. She's in it. So you deserves the props because, like, even for me, when I have to, like, lip sync the thing. Oh, I love to lip sync.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, that's the funny thing. Yeah. You have to find what you're comfortable with. And I definitely have people helping me, and I love them very much. And in the beginning, they would come, you know, with a list of ideas, and I'd just be like, no, no. Oh, no. Like, you know, so stressed by it all. But once I looked at it, kind of almost like acting, you know, like a scene, you know, I have to look at it like that, and then it can be fun. And like, the lip syncing somehow frees me up, whereas some of the other things, I'm just like, oh, so self conscious, you know?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Well, maybe it's the actor in you, you know, maybe it's like the. Let me get my lines.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yep.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Let me be like, on. On point and on time.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yep.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But back to your question. It was just a passion. That's amazing that, that. That I'm so happy that it's where it's at today. But I was so naive and, like, go with the flow and believing that, like, if you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it. Yeah. So it's. It was just like this really natural progression that I'm just so happy about. But it, you know, when it started, like, it, like, I think about even, you know, your show, it's like what I started by doing was kind of watching shows and talking about that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right. I was going to ask you what the kernel in the beginning was like, was it just kind of like your love for what you were watching? In pop culture.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. It was like, let's talk about, you know, what's going on in pop culture. But also, I would, like, watch a show with people, so.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I would, like, film the screen, talk about it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, that's cool.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And kind of. That was not to give myself too much credit, but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at the time. And then, like, flipping the camera.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Because it was like an old, you know, it wasn't trying to look pretty. It was just like filming a scene, talking about it. And people really, as you know, because even think about rewatch podcasts.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

People love diving deeper talking, even if they've watched the show a million times, even if you're late to it, because there are shows that I'm not, like, timely about. It's like, oh, let's watch this show that everybody watched five years ago. But it really built, like, this community of people that, like, love to, like, dig in, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And I feel like it's more people than. Not that, like, you know, all these after shows and, like I said, recap pods and, like, let's talk about it and let's go back to it and let's. So there's really, like, opportunity for that. Yeah, for that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So. So it. So it grew from there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Amazing.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Keeps on kind of, like, changing and evolving. But my love for, like, my podcast and talking to people like you is really, you know, what I love, because it's just so fascinating to me, you know, loving it for so many years and then getting to talk to the people that are doing it, that are in it, that lived it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

It all comes together.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I think it's really fun, too. And I do love, like, it's a kind of a really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch. I mean, for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because I felt like all these other people were, you know, who don't have anything to do with the show. And of course, that's flattering that they even want to.

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[Amanda Hirsch]

But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for us to be able to kind of go back in time and talk about what it was like? Because back in the day, we didn't really. I feel like for us, we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of what it was? Like, we just wanted it to live in a fantasy on the screen. Right. And so, like, if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun? Isn't it fun? We just say yes, when in fact we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night, and you know what I'm saying? But people. We felt like we didn't want to necessarily like that. We would seem like we were complaining if we talked about the realities of it. But I feel like now people are so much more educated about what goes into making shows and films, and, you know, they're interested in the details, which I think is really cool.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

We're interested, but. Okay, so here's my thing. I feel like sometimes we're too interested. You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Because, like, even now, like, I love, like, what you're talking about personally. Like, the inside baseball and breaking the fourth wall and, like, all of it. Like, give it to all to me. Like, I care about every last detail, but I feel like there's something to be said about, like, exactly, like, your time of filming it. How mysterious, how chic that we didn't know in everything.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And now it's like every actor that has a kissing scene needs to talk about the intimacy coordinator. And we hear about if you like the intimate, if you use it, if you didn't use it. And then. Oh, you know what I hate the most when, like, let us live in the fantasy that these actors are in love. And, like, I don't care that you have a family and, like, husband.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, that's a good point. That is a really good point.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Then they go in these press tours, like, actors that play lovers that in the movie are like, oh, my God, they're in love. Like, you want to believe the sex scene. You want to live it. And then they're in a interview being like, you know, it was so technical. That's what they love to say. It was all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you think it is. You know, it's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And I'm like.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. Are we losing something? Are we losing something that is an integral part of the audience experience by. By discussing it? Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And so there is that. I've thought about this.

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

There's that. That I don't love. And another thing that I don't love. And I wonder how it was like, when you were filming is like, the paparazzi.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Of.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I think it's terrible that.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

That we're seeing every guest star.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, you're seeing what they're wearing.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You're seeing what they're wearing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

They look bad. Are they mad in the scene. You know what I'M saying you're seeing so many elements, kissing scenes that maybe.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

We'Re not supposed to see. Yeah. So.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yep. No, it's out of control.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

It's out of control.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It really is. It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It was out of control for us for a really long time. But back when we were doing the original show, they were there, you know, all day long with us. But we didn't have social media, so it was, which picture did the magazine buy? Right? So you might see one picture, and maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would end up, like, in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing our lines, you know, with our script in our hand. But maybe they would crop the script out so it looked like we were arguing with each other, when in fact, you're just trying to remember your line. Right. And then they would read into it like, Kristen's mad. No, no, no. Whatever. What nonsense. You know what I'm saying? In, like, the lower. The lower tabloids. Right. But you wouldn't see the whole day, right? I mean, now.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And it wouldn't circulate. Like, it wouldn't be shared a gazillion times. One magazine, you saw it or you didn't. You bought it or you did it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right, right, right. Right now it's the whole. You're just papered. I mean, I also feel like it makes you. For us, the thing that was hard, we needed to be out on the streets. Right? That's part of our whole, you know, brand and reason, whatever. I don't know how to put it. It's like, integral to the fabric of our. Of our being of. And yet we knew if we were out there, everything was gonna be documented. So then it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do pretend scenes to throw people off. It just became a whole other animal.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Oh, wow. So do you think everyone's dealing with this? Like, everyone who's filming now on the show?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't know. I think it depends on how much experience they have with it. Right. Because I think for us, we did have this really long history of the. The paps being with us, where we know their names and they eat at our craft services, which is, you know, weird, but that's how it was. Right. Like, they were just part in a weird way. Like, we need their cooperation. Right? Because, like, if they're in the shot, obviously that. That. That's not a good take. So we had to say, like, Please, you know, can you guys back up? Like, we need their help. And so we kind of had to deal with it in a certain way, but I don't know that everyone is used to that. Right? So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't necessarily thinking about. Oh, okay, now, blow by blow, this is gonna be documented and circulated. As you said, do we want Anne Hathaway to be falling down the stairs publicly or whatever, or should we put that scene inside or. You know what I'm saying? Right.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

We were both thinking of Devil Wears Prada, too.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Definitely. Definitely. And, I mean, we know them. You know, that's our costume designer, and David Frankel is one of our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while, so I don't know if they were really aware of what they were walking into. You know what I mean? They might have been. I don't know. It's interesting because I think on some level, I think that studios feel like it's helpful.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You know, like, getting it promoted and, like. Yeah, exposure. Yeah. But, like, Devil Wears Prada, too. I mean, I get if you're doing something, but, I mean, we're gonna be there, you know, like, not sure you need it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. And I also feel like so much fun is in the outfits and the interactions, and you don't necessarily want to know stuff, you know, I don't.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Don't.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I don't want to know.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I think. I think a lot of people feel like that.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So I don't know, like, how it can be avoided. But yes, some things were lost in this craziness, and some. Some stuff is too much. But I do love, like, knowing kind of what happened. I feel like. I wonder if with you, this is me, like, flipping the script.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's okay. Go for it. But, like, I expected.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But, like, if also the time away from the show and being able to re. Watch it, because in. It makes sense. You're working, you're this, you're that. You're not able to see it from the outside, but, like, are you able to see from the outside now? Like, damn, that was, like, iconic. Like, that is a one.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, yes, definitely. I hate that word so much because I feel like people use it so much now.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I know, but, like, But. But you text in the City. Diane Keaton, When I use that word for her, Rest in peace. I was like, she is an icon, you know, like, yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, that's inappropriate usage.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah. There are people and things that, like, are deserving, but I Agree with you on that, too. It is overused, and it is.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It is. And I think part of the reason that I don't like that word so much is because even at the time, people would use it to our faces, and we'd just be like, ah, ah. You know what I'm saying? Like, during the original show, and we'd just be like, we're too young and new to use that word also, I think, because we were in it, right? So, like, on the one hand, I think on a certain level, like, we knew from the response, right. That things were powerful. But until you have some time and some space to look back, it's really hard to take it in, I think. So I think for me, like, the joy, part of the joy is connecting with people like yourselves and, you know, fans and unlikely fans and then also people from our show and being able to talk about what it means today, which if you had told me in 1998 that we would be doing this, I never would have believed you, you know, in a million 100 years. And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know, and the power of what the show was. Like, the idea of the show being about four, you know, powerful women who are all different, but trying to navigate, you know, relationships and talking openly about it. Obviously, a great idea Darren Starr had and Candace Bushnell, but, like, the fact that it hasn't been really replicated. I mean, yes, there are definitely shows similar, right? Like, now we have I Love la, or I don't know if we really think that's similar, but you know what I'm saying, Like, girls, you know, insecure. I mean, I could keep going, but. And I love all of those shows, and I think all of those shows have their own kind of identity and DNA, you know, but they're at least their women's perspectives, which I love so much. You know, that's a show that I want to watch all those shows because I love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the fact that we weren't a soap opera was the thing that was different. Right? Like, we made a big effort not to be. I don't know really even how to categorize that, but. Right. We were trying to be a comedy and trying to tell the stories where we would go from kind of the dramatic to the comedic in a way that was not so soapy.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

How exciting.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Personally so excited to start making the cookies. It's one of my favorite parts. Every year you get to make them.

[Kristen Davis]

And then you get to eat them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And maybe you give them away also.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And like, God, only 23 minutes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know, I know. When I look back on it, that part really amazes me.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

It's so short. Like I, I'm, I'm interviewing like somebody from a reality show today and every episode is an hour. Okay, wow. Hour of reality TV an episode. Okay. And then I got my homework for this, which I asked and, and it was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know, I know. I feel the same when I watch it.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I was like 23 minutes. Yeah, that's it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like so much story, right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And so much story. Like, no wonder people are binging it now because it's freaking bingeable.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I agree, I agree. I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back, I mean, I am able to be much more objective about it. I think at the time because the thing, the reality for us filming it was that it's 22, 23 minutes. But to film it was very hard because we had to do all the little scenes that would connect by the voiceover to fit, right? So it was like the A storyline, B storyline, C storyline, D storyline that were all part of the theme. Especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like really gelled together, right? So it's like filming an hour long show, but we don't have the time for an hour long show. Especially in the beginning. And then the scenes are really short, right? Because it's, she's connecting them through her voiceover. So people, when people would be like, oh, it's so fun and you're on a sitcom and we'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom. We're on a single camera show that's like doing a film every week, you know? You know, like a. Like a. It was. It was. That is what made it challenging to film it, but it's also what made it great to watch it.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Now that you're saying that, I'm like, right. It's like in the episode even that we watched, it's like it's telling stories. The same theme. Similar theme. But, like, we get to see you, Carrie, Samantha and Miranda all going through something all in 23 minutes. Wow.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know. It is amazing to think about. And again, I just go back to our writers and how incredibly economical and smart they were. And also the thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is the dialogue and having to really, you know, the dialogue. They wanted us to be like, fast, fast, fast. You know, like a old school, kind of almost like Carol Lombard or. I don't know how to put it, but like, quick, quick, quick, quick. Right. And so if we had a. We didn't have one in this. In this episode, but like, if we had a long walk and talk with all of us, it was like, very challenging, you know, because we had to be on it. We had to be walking and talking in those heels, and everything had to be fast. And then I would have thought, when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how many moments of silence there are, but.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I think that you're really look like you're watching it from, like, so many different.

[Kristen Davis]

For sure, for sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, I mean, that's partly why actors don't like to watch themselves. Right? Is like we dissect and, you know, critique everything. Right. But it's nice from this. This perspective of time.

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Because I obviously cannot change my performance now. Do you know what I mean? Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying? Like, it gives you a freedom to just look at it, like, honestly, you know, in terms of all of the things that are working. And every once in a while I'll think to myself, like, I could have.

[Kristen Davis]

Been better in that scene, but whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's just that's how actors are. You know what I'm saying? But I think it's like, the reason that people. I think there's a couple reasons that people still love the show and the writing and the subject matter, I think is kind of like forever. Interesting relationships, obviously. But then I think the reason that people feel so connected to the characters are these moments of silence.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, jeremy, why am I.

[Amanda Hirsch]

The next time you see the show, you'll think about it. You'll think about it. Like for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about this one, which is part of also why it's interesting for me to look at, to look back at the show. There's some things I have no memory of. I remember every moment of my storyline which we will get to. And it's not, it's not one of my favorites. It's my probably possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad when I look back at it as how I had remembered it, you know, of course, because I had to live it at the time. You know, I had to have this dude shouting, shouting obscenities in my face. But we'll get to that. But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I had completely forgotten why she, she moved from the Upper east side to the Meatpacking District. I had not remembered that she had let one of her gentlemen callers in late at night. And a, a, a, a, a,. A criminal had followed him and like robbed and beat a woman in her, like an older woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this. And it was kind of sad, I thought, but. And also sad that they all judge her in the way her, her neighbors are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this. And it's interesting because I feel like, like she has her Samantha bluster, you know, but at the same time you can see the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet moments in the elevator.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Where she's like self conscious.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. And I, it's interesting cause I don't. The thing that I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom, you know, like such a powerful character and she is so free. But at the same time she's still human. And those moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to be, see her face and then see her try to kind of put her cover back on, you know, like, you know, how dare they judge me. But at the same time you can tell it hurts.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's so true though. That's. But I feel like that's why people, you know, connected with Samantha so much because she is so like multi layered. Like it's not just like, oh, I like sleep with everyone and I don't care. You know, she has those moments of like, like feeling.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And feeling like she didn't care to like make out in front of the, the elevator guy of, you know, every day of the week.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But yeah, that, that montage is pretty hysterical.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I know, I know. I died over The. The elevator guy.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But, yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the building judging her. Yeah, she wants out. Nobody's kicking her out. She doesn't. She doesn't want to feel judged. It doesn't feel good for. For anyone.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, of course it doesn't feel good for anyone.

[Kristen Davis]

For sure.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And I. I like that. And I had totally forgotten about it. I had also completely forgotten about the Miranda storyline with Steve where they discuss how many people they've had sex with. And I also forgot about chlamydia. I forgot all about this stuff.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So about Steve, that I did remember that. You know, your show has so many lines that are now. I can never say iconic again. But.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Sorry, sorry, let's.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

No, you're right. No, you're right. I'm with you. So many lines that are, like, top. You know, like ones that you will remember forever. They're in the go. In the history books. And I have to say, for me personally, and I wonder if for other people, the. Like, what? I'm a bartender and I'm cute.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, my God. Yes. So good.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So good. I feel like the minute. Because I like you, I. I kind of forgot the chlamydia storyline and everything, but the minute Steve said, like, what, I'm a bartender and I'm cute. I'm like, I was brought back. I was brought back. And I was like, that's like. I mean, top. Top 20. Like, one of the lines that you remember.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And also, like, he's so interesting. Steve is such an interesting character. And David does obviously just incredibly brilliant job in terms of, like, the way that he is within what they've written. You know, he has so many. So many emotions play on his face at so many.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

By the way, I didn't remember if he, like, had sex with a lot of people or not.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Me neither.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And it could have went each way for me. Like, if he would have said, you're. I'm a virgin. You're the first person I would have been like, Steve.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You know, so I thought he was gonna say four. I really did. I really did. I really, really did.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

That's where I was. I was like, wait, what? Steve. Steve.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And so. And then when he does that line, you know, it all kind of comes together really good. It was really good with you. I was like, wait. Like, he's, you know, he's like one of those sweet, loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend. Like, it's gonna be a low number and Miranda's gonna feel slutty, right? Because that's The. The. The. The name of the episode. But.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But yeah, that was surprising when he had a. Like the kids say today, high body count.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Totally. A high body count for Steve. Wow. Yes. And for Miranda. So it kind of works out because for me, when I watched that whole episode, first of all, I totally forgotten about the chlamydia. I felt so bad for Miranda. You know, it's like such a. Kind of a nightmare thing for a woman that you go to the gynecologist and all of a sudden they're like, oh, yes, and you have a sexually transmitted disease. And, you know, how horrible. And she's been in this relationship with Steve for a while, and then she has to call everybody, which is, of course, beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's David Lansbury's character who gave it to her, who's so cranky. That's David Lansbury. Yes. Remember the angry guy? Like he was the shouting guy?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Oh, yes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And he called. She calls him and he's like, what? Like, he's really mad. And she. And she is Miranda. It's so interesting to see Miranda get, like, shaken by somebody. She stands up. Do you remember? She's on the phone. She's like, rolling the calls of all the guys. And, you know, he's like, what? You know, so mean right away. And she stands up because it. She has, like, a physical memory of him just yelling at her. I don't know if you remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two. And she kind of turns into like a. She's like, waiting on him, like a. Like a trad wife or something. Do you know what I mean? Like, she's like, just trying to keep him calm because he just shouts at everybody. It's super interesting. So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that he. He. He's like, yeah. You know, he doesn't even. Didn't call her, like, completely inconsiderate.

[Kristen Davis]

Jerk.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

It makes me laugh at. It made me laugh that she called him from her law firm office phone to his. Like, whatever he does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I think he's also a lawyer or he's a finance. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

He looks finance.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He looks fine.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I feel like those are the moments, because you were saying before, like, the show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know, like, in the way that, like, even this episode, like, I don't think there's anything about it that. That really couldn't apply. To today, you know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Such a good point.

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

With like wanting to sleep with somebody, them waiting, you being all of that feeling like a slut. STDs haven't gone away, you know, the whole thing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So. But like the, but then you're like office phone. And office phone would never happen today.

[Amanda Hirsch]

That's a good point.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point. And also just the phones in general when Samantha's on that old fashioned phone.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I know, it's a funny. I just actually posted the other day I had this like flashback that like I used to call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And like how embarrassing for my mom that all day were three girls. Like I'm calling my other sister's calling my other sister and we'd call for anything. Like we wouldn't like filter the calls. And everyone was like, oh my God, yes. Like, like we used to call our parents office, you know.

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And, and if it couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary was. Whatever it was, it was like, hi. And it was, it's just a different time. And I feel like now even if you have an office phone, you're not making personal calls off that phone. You're definitely not making STD related calls off that.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Definitely. I just had a moment that I thought of and just like that when I'm trying to, to sell the painting to Sam Smith and Rock calls over something really minor and I'm like, I'm trying to sell a painting to Sam Smith. And I'm like, why are you calling me? Like, I thought someone died. You know, I'm in a panic because they're like, Charlotte, you know, Rock, Stone, Nicole. And it was very much a throwback to how it used to be. Which is interesting to think about because now we would just text.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Right now we would just text. Text.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yep.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And you would probably text about the clip. Yeah. You for sure would text about the.

[Kristen Davis]

Chlamydia because you'd be too embarrassed to call.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I know. I wonder. Listen, I'm not in the dating world so I'm, I, I probably don't have the, you know, the knowledge. But like, do people do that? Like they get an STD and they, you know, it's.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah. I don't know, do they go through their Rolodex or their like app? Right.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Who did I swipe left?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Or who did I, I. Listen, it is, you know, there is a stigma around it, but it Is embarrassing. And what I loved about Miranda in this and just, like, shows you about Miranda. Like, she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so cool about it. Like, if you need to watch an instructional video on how to, like, handle telling a partner, like, yeah, slap on this episode.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Because the way she tells Steve and, like, is so cool.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I agree.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Said a non issue. And then it's like, take care. Like, you go test it out. Make sure you're okay. Like, I was like, I would have sex with her with the chlamydia in that moment because she was, like, so freaking cool about it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I agree. And he's so childish about it. It's one of those moments where she has to be the mom, which is interesting because he's like, now, now, I don't want to go. And she's like, no, you have to go. She's like, you know, talking to a child, like, you have to go. And he's like, you already have it. And he says. She says, because then you'll just give it back to me. Like, she has to explain, you know, beat by beat. But I also. I mean, it's interesting. It's hard not to think about where we know those characters go, right. Because obviously so much happens with Steve and Miranda as the years go on. And it's also good, like, you know, the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops in my head. Like, so many different things pop in my head when I'm watching them. And I think it's the through line of their characters is so. It holds so true, you know, even with all the different situations they find themselves in as the years go along. And I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about, like, how hard it would be to stay, you know, completely centered in who those characters are and what they've been through for all these years.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Like, as actors, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. How do you do that? How do you, like, transform back into.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I mean, you click in as an actor. You just click back in. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, there's like a muscle memory type of a. Of a situation that comes over you. But I think that the reason that we can click back in is because the writers have. Have held the truth and written it honestly to where you don't have to think, like, wait, is this. Would I do this? Would I not do this? Like, like, certainly for. For Harry and Charlotte, you know, it's. I would never even. It just lives. It has, like, its own life. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

The only person that I don't know about that, that I. That didn't. That, that like I feel like, like even today seeing him in that episode. Aiden.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Tell me, tell me.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Sorry, can I. Yeah, like, can I tell you my thoughts?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Of course. That's why we're here.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Okay. Okay. I don't know. It's like I missed that Aiden and I missed that knock and it just like wasn't the same Aiden and just like that. Oh really?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Do you feel that?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I do. But like here are two options. Like, yeah, obviously, like I'm witnessed my mom getting older. Like, like people get older, they change. Their personalities can change. They can become more, you know, of like certain qualities in them can become exacerbated. Like not saying he has to be the same guy, right? But like, damn, young Aiden.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Young Aiden. Dreamy.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Like dreamy. The nook. The like romantic. The Pete. Like it all worked, you know, like it was true. It all worked. And in this episode, by the way, in this episode, he was a little annoying like young Aiden.

[Kristen Davis]

AG's holiday 2025 collection is here. This season, AG explores the intersection of cinematic legacy and sartorial craftsmanship. Drawing inspiration from the crews and directors behind the iconic spaghetti westerns of the 1960s. Set against the backdrop of Alabama Hills, a legendary location in film history, the collection channels a sense of sun, bleached grit, timeless style and quiet confidence. This collection is a tribute to the makers behind the lens, the costume designers, cinematographers and directors whose understated off screen style helped shape on screen legacy. The holiday 2025 collection is available now at aggeans.com use code Kristin15 to take 15% off your next order. Even if you've shopped AG before, scent the season with Pura take up to 30% off site wide during Pura's Black Friday sale, the biggest sale of the year. For a limited time only shop premium long lasting single fragrances, curated gift sets for everyone on your list and sleek, sleek modern diffusers for home and car, all at exclusive discounts. Head to pura.com to unwrap the savings and upgrade your space. Just in time for the holidays you guys. The holidays are coming and I am.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Personally so excited to start making the cookies. It's one of my favorite parts.

[Kristen Davis]

Every year you get to make them and then you get to eat them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

And maybe you give them away also.

[Kristen Davis]

And before you know it, Black Friday is here and Pandora Jewelry is offering up to 40% off storewide and site wide now through December Second, explore jewelry designed to last beyond the season. From classic charms to modern rings, bracelets, earrings and more. Whether you're holiday shopping or treating yourself, now's the perfect time to find something Special. [e-mail] and your local Pandora store Exclusive.

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[Amanda Hirsch]

So let me ask you this, do you feel. Because obviously I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it. Like when I see John Corbett's little baby face. I mean it really.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

It was such a baby, such a.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Baby and like so incredibly adorable and it just kind of of brings home to me like the length that we've all been working together and like so much like a flood of emotion you know when I see the little baby face and I love it so much and I'm trying to get him to come on the pod. And I haven't succeeded yet, but fingers crossed, because we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I hate. Right. But I feel. I feel unsure because. Because I don't feel like I've gotten objectivity on and just like, that's Aiden. Right? Because we're still kind of. I'm not. Haven't processed either.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You haven't processed it, you know, but.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I. I know what you're saying. And let me ask you the question that comes to my mind. A couple. A couple things, because when I was watching this particular Aiden episode, I was thinking that there's a, like, a controlling element of him. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Kind of underneath that does kind of remain right throughout, right? No, I'm saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, okay, love the nook. Love the, like, vibes.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But did not love. You're right. Oh, my God, this goes deep.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right? But we didn't think this back in the day, did we? I don't think we thought this.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

We thought it was, like, big, bad Aiden. Good, right? How did she do this to, like, good Aiden?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And then there was that episode of him being super annoying with, like, the construction that got us, like, little annoyed.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes, yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But not, like, annoyed enough where we would, like, turn on him, right? I think we just turned on him in. And just like that, like, we. It didn't happen in Texas and the city. Just like that. We started to, like, ask questions. But no, here he was like, excuse me, sir. Why is it your decision by yourself, like, when you're gonna penetrate?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Interesting, right?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

The bath, if he didn't get in that bath.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Let me tell you if. Because again, we talked about not remembering, right? So I'm watching, like, not remembering. Did he get in the bath or does he leave her there like a loser in the bath? Like, by the way, Carrie does. She has these moments where she's, you know, she goes with the flow. You know, she gives in to whatever the man wants a little too much.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Well, I think because she doubts herself.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

My.

[Amanda Hirsch]

My reading of that was that because of the Big situation, she inherently has a question of, like, maybe I really do need to just do something different. Right? Like, because Big went so badly, you. You know, and there hasn't really been anybody, like, great since then or whatever. Right. That. That I can remember at least. So probably not. Um, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, there's Jon Bon Jovi or whatever. Like, weird things have happened since Big, right? You Know. And so then I. A woman, you start to think, like, well, maybe I should just do something totally different.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Right? Maybe I should get in the bath by myself. And he's, like, at the door, right? But another thing that annoyed me, that he said because he got in the bath. So that's good. But another thing that as, again, a woman, I don't know how. How I would feel. And I wonder how, like, women that are single and, like, are in the mix right now would feel. But when he said to her, like, the next time I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody that I care about. I know you're like, so then you're deducing, like, okay, then you don't care about me. Well, it was.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And then he follows up with. And I think I can get to caring about you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know it was strange. I know it was strange, by the way.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I don't know. Like, Carrie doesn't have an ego, but I would literally die. I'd be like, what do you mean you're not in love with me after a week? You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, I do. I do know what you mean. I think that's. But I mean, I'm single. I wouldn't really describe myself as in the mix, but I am single, right? So certainly as a woman, when I was watching it, I also didn't remember any of this.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I was unclear on what was actually gonna happen. You know, I just remember that there was, like, a series of fantastic outfits that she wears.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Do you know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, the skirt that's, like, slit, you know, like, her whole leg is show.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Like, that was hot, by the way. That was hot. Makeup makeouts. And they give it to, like, Carrie, like, the makeouts. Because so many times I. Like, I told you, I get into things, so I'll watch shows and I'll really look at the kissing.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And I'm a perv. No, but. And I'll be like, I want to see the chemistry. Like, I want to believe that it's hot. So first of all, their kissing chemistry is there. And then. Yeah. His hand goes up.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

That slitted.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Bejeweled skirt or whatever.

[Amanda Hirsch]

This is so beautiful.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And it really goes up in there. And it looks. Looks supernatural and, like, so natural.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of amazing because also the big chemistry is obviously amazing.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Amanda Hirsch]

So I do think that that is, you know, Sarah Jessica just being soing good.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, when I look back, I mean, I tell you I'm Amazed at literally all of us. But, like, they're just so good. My co stars, my people, they're so good. It is so rewarding to watch. And I think also because you're in it, right? And we're just all trying to, you know, like, we're get through the hours and working till sunrise and, you know, like, trying to figure out what we're gonna wear to the things and you know what I'm saying, there's so much going on, right, that you don't get to really appreciate each other's work in a way. So it's really nice to see. And I mean, John Corbett, incredibly good. Like, so good, because the fact that he could say these things. Cause I also was like, wait, what?

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're.

[Amanda Hirsch]

You're going to care about her? Like, huh?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Like, I really think I can care about you one day.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know, I know. I was also thrown off and I felt like for her, and I. I don't know if this is me projecting. It definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know, when the chemistry is so good, right, you kind of can't, you know, really think that straight. You know what I'm saying? And I feel, because she's so confused, like, when he's not there, she's like, wait a minute, what am I doing? What is happening? What is actually happening, right? Which I definitely have felt so many times myself too. Like, when you're not in the presence of the person and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does not make sense. Why am I doing this? Right? But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there, you're just like, yes, I want to do this. Whatever it is, it's gonna work out. Because I think the vibe, you know, is so powerful.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But then he ruins the vibe, you know, but then. But then he, like, cuts the vibe every time because of this new role.

[Amanda Hirsch]

He does.

[Kristen Davis]

He does.

[Amanda Hirsch]

But I think she is so not used to that, that she doesn't even really know what to do. And I feel like in some ways, and if you think about Big, Big had all the power, right? And so it was like her trying all the time to kind of express herself and connect and get more out of him, you know, that that continual thing that you get into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this is changing, but I don't know if it is where you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I get them to talk about their feelings? It's so impossible. And then here's Aiden who seems, you know, to be so much more transparent. Right. But then is also kind of withholding in a different way. So I feel like that must be something that Carrie is drawn to.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I wonder if, like, you do. If. Well, you're doing like a re.

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Re Watch. But if. Yeah. If we would see Aiden in kind of a different lens from the get and see all these things in him that maybe come out a little bit more later when he's older and had.

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Right.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Everything. But we do know that there are moments where he gets really jelly, where he, like, forces his way into moving in together, where he, you know, is can't look past the big stuff, which makes sense.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But it was really nice to see baby John and the way he is, like, just, as an actor, so good at, like, those moments of the insane chemistry and the moments of just, like, telling her the most, like, annoying, like, devastating thing in the moment, but in this, like, cute way.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Of like, I'm gonna go home, you know?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I know.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I know.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's so strange.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Amanda Hirsch]

It's interesting.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

I have an early morning. Like, the way he says it is just so, you know, it's not like a. An guy who's like, gotta go. Waking up. But just the way he says it is, like, so disappointing. And you're like, but why? You know, Totally. And then. And then it begs the question, like, like, which is the whole episode of. And then Carrie asks herself, wait, why was I thinking that we needed to have sex after less than a week and a half? Like, she puts, like, that on it.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Which I feel like that. And I. I haven't really done the apps, but I know a bunch of people who have and luckily know a bunch of younger people. And I asked them questions like, what is the norm now? Like, I don't know what the norm is. And someone. Someone said to me, a guy was telling me about this. This girl that he really liked, and he'd known her, like, he was not an apt situation. He'd been introduced by, I think, his uncle that she wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like, what? Like, that was so much. He was like, wow, you're really vetting this.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Oh, my God. But the thing is, like, are we talking about this or are we just letting. Like. Like, because, like, with the Carrie and Aiden thing, it's like, it's hot, it's heavy. It's there. Just do it. Like, who cares? Like, what the thing is that you're doing? I don't know. To me, it feels like why are we putting so much pressure on like, that act? You know what I mean?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I do know what you mean.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Like, is there a time? Because I know I follow some like, you know, influencers that do some dating advice and I'll see girls asking them questions like, yeah, when or how. And I just wonder, like, can things not just be like, based on the, the vibe and the chemistry?

[Amanda Hirsch]

I agree 100, a hundred percent. But I also feel these are questions that will never go away.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Exactly. Which is why it's so good. But the three dinner dates kills me. Like, what if after three dinner dates you see that like, you know, he's a turn off and he like has boogers all the time? I don't know. Then you're still having the sex.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, but apparently what happened is in this particular situation was that it was I think, also really different for him. And I think sometimes there's something to be said, let's say, like if you look at Carrie, right, who's obviously like possibly just the hottest person, you know, on the planet, probably she gets what she wants all the time. Meaning in terms of the initial beginning of relationships, right? Not obviously, ultimately, as we know from Big, but like this guy that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to getting what he wants is my main point. So I think the fact that this woman who was a little older than him and they didn't meet on the app, right, like, it was a much more kind of old fashioned type situation. The fact that she actually held herself back, I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh, this.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Is different that may happen. That's, that's what is so interesting. Like, it's, I feel like, like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct. And if the chemistry is there and if it's all happening, then why, why not? Why, like, stop yourself if that's what you want? But then there also is this other element of. We do know that playing games kind of works, right?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Unfortunately, yes. Like, it kind of.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But yes, it kind of works to be like a little hard to get, but not whatever that is, is. And it kind of works to like hold off and make them want it more than give it up. But oh my God, that is so confusing, all of it. Like, how do you, how do you compute it all together?

[Amanda Hirsch]

But maybe that's what Aiden's doing.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

But then you can say, maybe there is the person for you that you don't have to play the games with. And I agree, you're a Person. That's what I want to believe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I want to believe it. To Amanda. Let's go with that. I hate the games. I've never been good at the games. The games in my mind are just.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. So, like, maybe there's like the person for you that you can just be you.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

They'll be them.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yes. Like you'll let it be organic and.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Let it be organic. And you don't have to pretend. And they don't have to pretend. And that's what I want to. That's what I want to believe.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I like it. I like it. Let's go with it. I mean, I wonder like, when I was watching Aiden, I don't know if we're going to. To find out more about him. I feel like for a long time we. We don't really.

[Ebay Advertiser]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Like, we just know how he is with Carrie is coming, where we find out that they're friends, Steve and Aiden.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And then they open the bar.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yep. Which is all really interesting. And I'd also forgotten all of that, but it kind of. I. I like it and I want to know more. Like, I kind of want to know more about the men now. You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

You know, when you talk about the show, first of all, I need to re. Watch it too. But. And we have those lines, like the Steve one. There's like a line that's so random, but to me it applies to like, I think I've said it like five times in the last month.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Wow.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

And I say it often and I feel like other people could get this. So there's the episode where. And this is just like a random throw. Throwback. There's an episode where, okay, so Big starts dating. What was his wife's name?

[Amanda Hirsch]

Natasha.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Right. Starts. I think. Wait, was she the model that he was in love with? No, no.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

No, the model. There was a model that he was in love with where he was calling Carrie about her.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, no.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Do you remember this? There was a model that he loved.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

He was calling Carrie about. And he would be like, carrie call Carrie like in the middle of the night. He's like, the problem is, is I can't reach her. She can reach me, but I can't reach her. Oh, no, no. Don't you remember? And then he goes to the cabin with Aiden or you're not there yet.

[Amanda Hirsch]

No, I'm not there yet.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Super interesting.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

So jealous of whoever does this recap with you because that. The cabin episode.

[Amanda Hirsch]

Oh, so good. So good.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. When you get to the cabin.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I'll call you back. Amanda.

[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

Okay, Call me back with a cabin episode and we'll get there.

[Amanda Hirsch]

I remember the cabin episode being like, like beyond good. All right. We're having so much fun talking to Amanda that we're going to make a Part two.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

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[Amanda Hirsch]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Podcast Host/Interviewer]

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