It's getting HOT in here with Peyton List (S3 E15 "Hot Child In The City")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Host: Kristin Davis
Episode: It's getting HOT in here with Peyton List (S3 E15 "Hot Child In The City")
Guest: Peyton List
Date: February 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Kristin Davis (Charlotte York from Sex and the City) is joined by special guest Peyton List to rewatch and reflect on "Hot Child In The City" (Season 3, Episode 15 of Sex and the City). Alongside returning co-host Cynthia Nixon (Miranda Hobbes), they dive deep into themes of adolescence, sexuality, 90s/2000s nostalgia, and the complexities of revisiting their old roles through an adult lens. The conversation explores humorous, awkward, and poignant moments from the episode, and segues naturally into broader cultural observations about girlhood, coming of age, and how society views women at every life stage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Humorous Revisit of Teen Tropes and Taboo Television (03:13 – 10:31)

• Carrie's Youthful Fling: The hosts highlight Carrie's storyline—dating and partying with a much younger man, culminating in a memorable stoner KFC scene:
  • "They go to Carrie's and they're going to have sex. And his mom calls, which is just so embarrassing." —Cynthia Nixon (03:13)
  • "This is a timely issue. We need to know!" —Kristin Davis, joking about the dog's medicine (03:34)
• Portrayal of Drug Use on TV:
  • They reflect on how seeing characters smoke weed on TV was rare and risky at the time:
    • "You weren't really seeing your characters on TV smoking it... Especially not out of like a weird bong made out of, like, a bottle or whatever." —Cynthia Nixon (05:01)
    • "It felt a lot more risqué than it does today. I mean, legal in a lot of places, right? That wasn't really the case back then." —Kristin Davis (05:19)
• Behind the Scenes Banter:
  • The cast fondly recalls Sarah Jessica Parker’s obsession with 70s music, and how it colored the filming energy.

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2. Revisiting Charlotte and Trey's Awkward Sexual Challenges (07:18 – 16:46)

• Therapy, Intimacy, and Misremembered Plotlines:
  • Kristin and Cynthia both admit to forgetting key plot details, like Charlotte discovering Trey’s sexual issues and their subsequent therapy.
    • "I absolutely have a memory of when I catch him masturbating." —Cynthia Nixon (07:28)
    • "It's shocking to me. The beautiful wedding and all the hope and then things are just bad." —Cynthia Nixon (07:38)
• Therapy Scene and Naming 'Private Parts':
  • The absurdity of their couples therapist asking Charlotte and Trey to name their genitals:
    • "He wants us to give our private parts names, which is funny and weird… we’re trying to find some humor in the situation." —Cynthia Nixon (11:34)
    • "I like the name Rebecca." —Kristin Davis (17:21)
• Awkward Masturbation Walk-In Scene:
  • The technical stress of filming slow-motion, and the real-life embarrassment the actors faced on set.
    • "Whenever they say they're gonna film in slow-mo, I just feel like my breath stops… any tiny thing you do is stretched." —Cynthia Nixon (13:28)
    • Behind the scenes, the crew played pranks off-camera to make things even more awkward.

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3. The Power Struggle & Dynamic with Trey (11:40 – 16:46)

• Trey’s Passivity as a Relationship Red Flag:
  • "He doesn't seem controlling as much as he seems passive… in some ways, that's almost worse because it's hard to be mad at." —Cynthia Nixon (12:26)
  • Kristin points out: "Trying a little bit, but only within his comfort zone that he can control… sort of stereotypical of a certain kind of man." (12:12)
• Charlotte’s Determination:
  • "When you really step back and look at Charlotte, she's very motivated for what she wants." —Cynthia Nixon (17:39)
  • "She’s very forgiving and sweet, and he really should have tried harder to make that work out." —Cynthia Nixon (16:27)

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4. Iconic Fantasy Scene: The Fairy Princess and Unicorn (24:06 – 26:17)

• Charlotte’s Therapy Assignment:
  • The group cracks up over the unforgettable therapy scene where Charlotte recites a princess fantasy:
    • "Charlotte's fantasy. She's the fairy princess. Don’t forget the unicorn. Oh my god." —Kristin Davis (24:07)
    • "The way the writers know me is so adorable because this would totally be true." —Cynthia Nixon (24:12)
  • Cynthia calls it possibly her favorite moment of the entire storyline.

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5. Samantha’s Story: Publicist Power & Teenage Manipulation (26:17 – 31:29)

• Peyton List Recalls Playing a 13-Year-Old “It” Girl:
  • "Kat is so funny because she's just very, 'I'm in charge. I'm 13, but I'm in charge.' And I'm powerful. And all of you guys are very powerful too." —Cynthia Nixon (26:53)
  • Peyton shares how alien it felt for her to act out such bratty, entitled behavior toward adults (29:03).
• Prescient Portrayal of Overconfident Teens:
  • They agree that this episode anticipated today’s confident, agency-filled Gen Z girls.
    • "That's not true anymore..." (on teen deference to adults) —Kristin Davis (29:35)
    • Both note: young fans nowadays are unafraid to speak up or talk to adults as peers.

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6. Nods to 2000s & Youth/Femininity in Media (45:02 – 50:24)

• Carrie’s Closing Monologue:
  • "In today's youth-obsessed culture, are the women of my generation growing into mature, responsible adults, or are we 34 going on 13?" —Cynthia Nixon, quoting Carrie (45:02)
• Culture of Hyper-Sexualization:
  • Britney Spears and later pop stars come up as reference points for the shifting pressure on girls and young women.
    • "The year 2000 would be heyday of Britney Spears… It was such a specific time of that being so normal and acceptable." —Kristin Davis (46:19)
    • Today there’s more agency, but also more complexity: "The women who are successful seem to be pushed somehow... into this very sexualized presentation and performance style." —Cynthia Nixon (47:33)
• Parenting Today:
  • Kristin reflects on trying to keep her daughter young versus the pressure to grow up too soon in a social media–saturated world:
    • "As a parent, you have to make this huge effort to keep your children as young as possible for as long as possible, which is super hard in the world that we live in." —Cynthia Nixon (48:31)

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7. Miranda’s Braces: Embarrassment & Relatability (32:43 – 39:12)

• Miranda’s “Tongue Thruster” Braces Plot:
  • Cynthia laughs at what a relatable and “game for anything” character Miranda is, especially about public embarrassment.
    • "She has no vanity. Cynthia Nixon. No vanity whatsoever." —Kristin Davis (33:32)
    • "She's amazing. That's so cool." —Kristin Davis (39:12)
• Food in Teeth, Social Awkwardness:
  • The hosts bond over the mortification of things stuck in teeth, connecting it to everyday real-life anxieties (37:04).

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8. Reflecting on the “Are You a Charlotte?” Question & Identity (50:43 – 54:06)

• Peyton List Shares Her Take:
  • She ponders whether being a "Charlotte" is about personality, upbringing, job, or how you handle situations.
• Kristin’s Views:
  • "The biggest thing I would say would be: do you believe in love? Are you super loyal? Are you a good cheerleader?" —Cynthia Nixon (51:48)
  • Kristin recognizes ways she is and isn't like Charlotte, emphasizing that everyone is a mix.
    • "I’m a Charlotte Miranda. Adorable sprinkle of some other things." —Peyton List (55:07)
• Interpreting Characters:
  • They agree each viewer sees themselves in the characters differently, and that’s the point and power of Sex and the City.

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Notable Quotes

• "He doesn't seem controlling so much as he seems passive… in some ways, that's almost worse because it's hard to be mad at."
  —Cynthia Nixon (12:26)

• "This is the joy of playing a character for so long. People have their own idea what— or who she is… and it may be my idea, but it might not be."
  —Kristin Davis (51:04)

• "In today's youth-obsessed culture, are the women of my generation growing into mature, responsible adults, or are we 34 going on 13?"
  —Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker), quoted by Cynthia Nixon (45:02)

• "Charlotte’s thing: she commits 110%, 150%."
  —Cynthia Nixon (25:41)

• "As a parent, you have to make this huge effort to keep your children as young as possible for as long as possible, which is super hard in the world that we live in."
  —Cynthia Nixon (48:31)

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Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• 03:13 — The hosts laugh about Carrie's awkward adolescent romance and the dog's medicine interruption.
• 05:19 — Kristin Davis reflects on how smoking weed on TV felt risqué in the late 90s.
• 13:28 — The actors recall the anxiety of shooting the slow-motion masturbation walk-in scene.
• 24:07 — The group cracks up at Charlotte’s unicorn fantasy description during therapy.
• 29:03 — Peyton List discusses how alien her bratty character’s confidence toward adults felt compared to her own upbringing.
• 39:06 — Cynthia and Kristin talk about how Miranda says what everyone wishes they could say at work.
• 45:02 — Cynthia recites Carrie’s classic closing voiceover about aging in a youth-obsessed culture.
• 51:04 — Discussion of what being “a Charlotte” really means and how viewers construct their own identities around SATC characters.
• 55:07 — Peyton List says she’s a “Charlotte Miranda… with a sprinkle of some other things.”

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Episode Takeaways

• Revisiting Sex and the City episodes with original cast and fans adds depth, context, and affection to classic storylines.
• The themes of adolescence, sexual awakening, and societal pressure on women are as relevant today as when the show first aired.
• Honest, behind-the-scenes stories and cast reflections offer fans a layered, hilarious, and sometimes moving new lens on beloved moments.
• Characters like Charlotte, Miranda, and Samantha still resonate because they embody a mix of vulnerabilities, strengths, and aspirations, which listeners can map onto their own lives.

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This summary provides a full arc of the hosts’ conversation and will be satisfying and insightful for fans and newcomers alike—even if they haven’t (yet) listened to the episode or seen the original series.

Transcript

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[Charlotte]

hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Welcome back, everybody, to are you a Charlotte?

[Charlotte]

Part 2. Thanks for joining us. Here we go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So they go out and then they go to Carrie's, right? Because we've just seen her serving the lemonade and the cookies. They go to Carrie's and they're going to have sex. And his mom calls, which is just so embarrassing. But she really has a valid question. Did you give the dog his medicine?

[Kristin Davis]

It's entirely a valid question.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Very valid. I was like, you should have told your mom that you gave the dog the medicine, because that's really important and

[Kristin Davis]

this is something that is a timely issue. We need to know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. But it does put a little bit of a wrinkle in there in their, you know, making out session or whatever. Then they go back to. To his house. The parents are supposedly out of town, I guess, and they smoke pot.

[Charlotte]

And I was trying to remember, well,

[Cynthia Nixon]

wait, before they smoke pot, they play Hot Child in the City. And the thing that's really funny is that Sarah Jessica loves 70s music, basically. I don't know if Hot Child in the city's 80s. I don't know. But something right? Previous this is Sarah Jessica. It's Jessica. It's records. And this era is Sarah Jessica. She plays this at work for all of us. And it really made me laugh because I think at this point in time, I don't think I realized how much this music resonated with her and how much she loved it. But now it's really, really obvious to all of us. In fact, I can't turn on the 70s station without just being flooded with memories of Sarah Jessica, you know, which I love because we're the same era. I get it. I have all memories to those songs, too. But now I have memories of her enjoying those songs. So when I watched her and the thrill on her face over Hot Child in the City, it's really adorable. But then he gets out his weed, which is also. I don't really remember her smoking pot in the show before. I don't know. Am I crazy? I don't really remember it. I mean, I feel like pot was certainly around, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, but it wasn't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You weren't really seeing your characters on TV smoking it.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Especially not out of like a weird bong Made out of, like, a bottle or whatever. What the heck? I mean, we are back to the whole high school of it all.

[Kristin Davis]

But.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, it's so charming. Yeah, it's so charming and very retro, like. But it wasn't.

[Kristin Davis]

It felt like. And this may have been, like, owing to my age at the time, but it felt a lot more risque than

[Cynthia Nixon]

right today, where you're like, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, legal in a lot of places, Right? That wasn't really the case back then.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, it wasn't the case at all back then, though I do feel like it was prevalent. Like, pot.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, definitely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really prevalent, Right. Really, really prevalent. Just not legal, Right? Yes, right. Definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

And not put on television as much. Unless you're doing a hippie movie about the 70s.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right, right. Like the McConaughey movie that he's in.

[Kristin Davis]

Confused.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. Like that. Obviously, that's the point of that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it was like a little walk on that side of the. Totally of the world. But it's pretty funny. So they get high and they're eating kfc, I guess. Yeah. And the parents come home, they see them down below, but they're high, and they act like teenagers, and it's pretty. Pretty funny. And Sarah was like, super game. She really did it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And he's very charming, this guy who apparently never acted after that. I don't know if I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

He just. Career in radio took off.

[Cynthia Nixon]

His career in radio took off. I guess. We don't know. We've got to find out. We've got to find out. But he. They were very charming together, I thought. And it seemed like Sarah Jessica was really, really having a good time. So I really liked the moment his mom comes in. And basically he says, carrie brought the pot.

[Kristin Davis]

Mom.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because he tells Carrie really quickly.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That they're gonna ask him to leave if again, because they previously asked him to leave. And so he's like, carrie brought it. And they push in on Carrie, and the voiceover says something like, you know, like, all women, I have to, you know. You know, what's the word? Like, take responsibility or whatever. She says something like that. Take responsibility for myself. And she takes the blame, but she also takes the pot. I know. It's so funny. I don't remember anything. I was really watching it, like, with just total enjoyment. Except for my part where I was like, what on earth.

[Kristin Davis]

I was so curious to know what your take on your storyline was. But you're saying you don't Remember it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have so many questions. I have no memory whatsoever.

[Kristin Davis]

Eggs?

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I do have a memory. I'm sorry I lied. I have no memory of being in the therapist office. I absolutely have a memory of when I catch him masturbating.

[Charlotte]

But.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But in my mind. And this is why you can't trust your own memory. Right. But it's all we've got. I thought that comes much later. I didn't know that came, like, two episodes after we get married. I would have said it was fourth season or something. I thought it was when things were, like, totally not working. Like, it's shocking to me. The beautiful wedding and all the hope and then things are just bad.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, we're not having sex.

[Kristin Davis]

I was thinking that I'm going, wait a second. This never came up before. Like, this wasn't something we dealt with earlier.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because Charlotte's silly. You know what I'm saying? She didn't. She didn't have sex with him.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She just messed around with him.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's why it's so. Immediately after the wedding. But that's so.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, it's right before the wedding. So Charlotte goes. She gets drunk the night before with the girls and goes over to his house and. And tries to seduce him. It doesn't go well. And then she's like, well, this happens. You know, she's trying to be, you know, whatever. And he's like, yeah, sometimes this happens to me. And she's like, oh, sometimes they have. But they. They don't really.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, she doesn't understand the scope of what the problem.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And he definitely downplays, you know what I'm saying? Then at the wedding, Charlotte tells Carrie right before she walks down the aisle, trey can't get it up.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the big. That's. It's called don't ask, don't tell.

[Kristin Davis]

I have to do my own, like, full on rewatch because I didn't see.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's okay.

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't see. Well, I didn't see the earlier seasons for that reason, but then I would watch later seasons, but I never went. You never do. Oh, it's very interesting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's very interesting. It's really fun. I mean, I have not watched, as everyone who listens has heard me say, I have not rewatched since now. Until now. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Until now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And sometimes I. It's hard to turn the thing off. You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't have any memory. I mean, I. I Must have seen this episode more than twice, I imagine. But I didn't remember it. And probably because I was younger, I didn't remember it being so fun. I didn't. Like, maybe I just wasn't at the level of understanding the humor of it, for sure. Or just the silly moments that are silly. Oh, I laughed out loud.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I laughed out loud. I laughed out loud a lot. I didn't remember this episode as being good at all in my mind, which is just my own weird. Whatever. I don't know. I'm very judgmental, obviously, of us, but it's fantastic. I mean, I haven't watched one episode where I haven't thought it was fantastic. But they're just different versions of it. You know what I mean? Sometimes they're funnier, sometimes they're more serious.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, there's so many different. And I love that about it.

[Kristin Davis]

When I think sometimes, like, your first memory of that episode, if you're like. For some reason, you're like, that was a bad episode or that was not one that I'm going to rewatch or is memorable, that's, like, what stays with you until you see it from a completely different angle, for sure. Oh.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think when I watched it now, it's because I don't like anything that's happening in Charlotte's World. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Therefore, in my mind, that's a bad episode.

[Charlotte]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because Charlotte's World is awful. It's really bad.

[Kristin Davis]

So everything is bad.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's really bad. It's really bad. And I also also think on a certain level, like, okay, so they're there. You know, Trey and Charlotte are in this therapist office. He seems like a very nice man. I do remember him. He was very nice as an actor. And he. He wants us to give our private parts names, which is funny and weird. What I see is, like, that we're trying to find some humor in the situation. Right. Which, of course, we need to do, because it's not really that funny. You know what I'm saying? Right. But we've gotta find a way to be funny. So I see us really trying to do that, and I see Charlotte trying to be so hopeful. But then I see Trey. He's immediately not really very open to working on it, which, of course, is the problem. And that's what becomes the problem. Because in my mind, once we started getting closer to the Trey coming, I just remember all the glorious things. Right. And then I think we put something on Instagram and there was some debate about Trey. And people were like, I would have hung in there. And I was like, yeah, why didn't I? And they were like, oh, honey, believe us when we tell you you should not have. And now I'm seeing like, no, they're right.

[Charlotte]

They're right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because he's not really. You know, you need a partner who's gonna get in there with you and work on it or work it out or discuss or something. He's very shut down in a way. You know, it's like, you can't say,

[Kristin Davis]

I'm not trying if I go to the therapy with you, but once I'm in there, I'm not gonna play ball. But in a way, I kind of. When I was watching that episode, I was thinking, I was like, oh, the character of Trey, he is at least taking a few steps where you could have had that character just be a complete brick wall.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And trying a little bit, but only within his comfort zone that he can control.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And that kind of being sort of may be stereotypical of a certain kind of man who grew up in a certain place, time and whatever, and try to be like, no, I need to control the situation, even though the situation is out of my control.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean.

[Kristin Davis]

And he doesn't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The thing that's interesting about him, I think, is that he doesn't seem controlling so much as he seems passive. Right, right. He's, like, weirdly passive. He's shut down in. And in some ways, that's almost worse because it's hard to be mad at.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Or you're just saying try. Right, right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I mean, he's kind of trying. He's kind of trying.

[Kristin Davis]

That's the thing. He's kind of trying instead of saying,

[Cynthia Nixon]

I will not try. Definitely, definitely, definitely.

[Charlotte]

But then.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So then, obviously I didn't remember that this is the episode where I walk in on him in the nighttime. I think he's crying, which really made

[Kristin Davis]

me laugh because he's making just kind

[Cynthia Nixon]

of like, weird noises.

[Kristin Davis]

Weird noises. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And voiceover. Wait. Or do I say out loud like, I didn't know I made. I didn't. Didn't want.

[Kristin Davis]

Didn't mean to make him cry or whatever.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So Charlotte. So Charlotte. And then I opened the door, and I do remember this because this was one of those times where they say, like, we're gonna film in slow mo. Whenever they say they're gonna film in slow mo, like, I just feel like my breath is stops.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, because, like, the pressure of slow mo. Oh, my God, it's so intense. Because any tiny thing you do is stretch.

[Kristin Davis]

That's the thing. Because you're mentally trying to accommodate for slow mo. But they're. You're like, do I do it at the same speed or am I trying to do something at like three quarter speed?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or like, what?

[Kristin Davis]

Because they're already doing the slow mo. It worked. It worked. Did it? I think it's. Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I don't know. I'm always so critical.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I was. I was laughing out loud. Seeing your face with, like, going to the magazine and then just the, like, the horror.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Listen, they were doing some stuff off camera.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They were being very bad off camera. The crew and Kyle.

[Kristin Davis]

I think I was that helpful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, yes and no.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was maybe a little too far.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because I was mad. It made me mad. And I don't know that Charlotte was supposed to be mad. I think Charlotte was supposed to be, like, shocked. But then shock is a weird thing to play. You know what I'm saying? How do you play?

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's a hard. That's a hard one. And I remember being anxious about it. But also they had gotten a bunch of stuff, paraphernalia to make the whole situation worse, you know, and they're in there, the guys on the crew, they're a bunch of young guys. I'm not going to name them. I'm going to spare them that. And Kyle, I mean, it's an uncomfortable thing, you know, like, poor Kyle.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I was going to say, I'm like, I would still rather be you in this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, definitely. Oh, my God, definitely. I mean. And Kyle is very game. Obviously. He's not going to be like a prude or anything, but I mean, he, you know, he's been in many things previous to this, but, you know, it was pretty. I was like. I don't remember seeing his rear end like this. Like, there were so many things I didn't remember, but I do remember that they were up to no good in that room, let me tell you. So that when I did open the door, because obviously when they're shooting my side, you know, he doesn't have to be doing.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exact thing that you see him do on camera. And there was other. There were other things involved. And I was pissed. Like, mad. Really mad at the crew guys. Really mad.

[Kristin Davis]

Felt like it so worked, though, because I thought that was Charlotte's react. Like, I thought that was intentional on your part. Because it was this, like, frustration where you felt like you were dealing with a thing or battling a thing, but you didn't have all the information and he was hiding this from you and you being like, great point.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

It made sense to me that you

[Cynthia Nixon]

were like, that is absolutely right. I'm so glad that is absolutely right, because that's true. But the thing that I think is also interesting because also, I didn't really remember all of the things around it. Like, I didn't remember going to therapy. I just remember the jerking off, and I remember the jugs. But I also didn't remember how it ends, which is that Charlotte goes and puts her picture on the magazine.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's so brave of her. I thought. So.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Shocking. And then she's in bed and she hears him masturbating, and she's pleased.

[Kristin Davis]

Very pleased. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, wow. Like, Charlotte, gosh, I don't remember any of this. And I am just like, she's very forgiving and sweet, and he really should have tried harder to make that work out, man. That's what I think, because that's rare. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

He didn't give up when he saw your picture, though.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, no, he didn't give up. He smiles.

[Charlotte]

Thank God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank God, thank God. But, like, I'm so curious now what's gonna happen next week or whatever, the next episode. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't. I don't remember. I don't know what happens.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Charlotte]

What happens?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know. Kyle and I kind of touched on it. I had him on recently. It was really fun. And he.

[Charlotte]

We.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We only vaguely remember things like that. We try, and then this happens. Then that happens. And there is a phase where we do have sex. So I'm, like, hoping that it soon.

[Kristin Davis]

For their sake, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

For their sake and for Charlotte's sake. Because she just tries so hard. God love her.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's the thing. I mean, I know you're saying you don't remember, like, the therapy sessions, but I don't remember your character being so, like, I don't know, somewhat assertive in those therapy sessions where they're like, give a name. She goes, I like the name Rebecca. Like, it was like, you're like, I'm. I'm totally. I'm here for the college effort. Like, I'm gonna give it a try. Like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But that's what I mean about him being passive, right? Because I think when you really step back and look at Charlotte, she's very motivated for what she wants, you know, Always. Right. Like soon we're going to be trying to have a baby. She's very motivated, like she's going to get what she wants.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You might not see it coming, right. That she's going to be like that, but that's how she is.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. You mistakenly presume that sometimes she might be more passive in certain situations.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Where she's not. No, she is not. And that's why she's friends. Because sometimes people are like, why would she be friends with those? I'm like, well, because they're all powerful

[Charlotte]

in their own way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. You know?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Charlotte]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

So the one thing that I want to mention, that I had one 100% forgotten and really made me laugh so hard is when we got to the therapist says, you need to go home and your homework is to share a sexual fantasy.

[Kristin Davis]

Charlotte's fantasy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's the very princess.

[Kristin Davis]

Don't forget the unicorn. Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So hard. And Kyle, the way Kyle is looking at me is the cutest thing I might have ever seen in my life. And the way the writers know me is so adorable because this would totally be true. And also really, really makes me laugh hard. Like, this is the kind of thing that makes me laugh.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Charlotte]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Isn't he a pirate?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, he's gonna take me off. But it's like those moments where you're just so thankful that you got the job you did with the writers that you have with you, because it is priceless. Yeah, it is priceless. I think I should take that little edit out and put it with my. I've been dating since I was 15. Where is he? Moment. My hair hurts. Those two moments might be my favorite ever. I mean, they're up there in my own work. You know what I'm trying to say? Like, I love it so much.

[Kristin Davis]

They speak to me on a different level.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They do. They really, really do. They really do. And just the. The writing for my strengths and or me being able to do it or whatever it is. Do you know what I mean? It's priceless. It's just. I'm just a very lucky, lucky actor.

[Kristin Davis]

See, because I look at that, like, describing that fantasy while looking into the eyes of another actor. I'm going, I don't know if I could do that. I don't know if I could make it. I don't know if I'd make it to the end. Like, I just really, just don't know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really. I was so excited. Could you tell in my face how excited I was to do it? I'm very excited. I'm very excited because I fucking love that so much.

[Kristin Davis]

I think I'd break. Like, I just don't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God, no. Because you have to commit fully. You have to commit, make it funny. Do you know what I mean? You have to commit fully. That's Charlotte's thing. She commits 110%, 150%. Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And just Kyle's looking at me with just such sweetness. Do you know What I mean, and he doesn't even look like he might laugh at all.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's just so sweet how he's looking at me. It's really adorable. So that might have been my favorite part of my storyline. The jugs would be on my least favorite part. And then

[Kristin Davis]

the very princess on the unicorn. It's definitely my favorite. It's the unicorn, though. It's the unicorn part.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so good. It's so good. Anyway, okay, let's talk about Samantha. Now, this is your storyline. So I love when we get to see Samantha being her publicist self. I think we should have had more episodes with this. I don't know if it's because obviously I live in a world with publicists, but I just really enjoy it, you know, And I could see that she would be a very good one.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. You know, but I also feel like you get a little bit of differential between with her personality, like her with men or her with the girls versus her in that space of being a publicist and being that kind of. She just. There's something different about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which I love.

[Kristin Davis]

Which I love.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's what I love to see. I love to see that other side of herself. And I think Kat is so funny because she's just very like, I'm in charge. I'm 13, but I'm in charge. And I'm powerful. And all of you guys are very powerful, too. You know, that's what's so adorable about it. I don't know if you felt powerful.

[Kristin Davis]

No. I mean, my top falling off and I'm just like, they're letting me stay here for a few days. No, but I, I, it's, I, I think Kat, she just managed to do that so well. Which, you know, that being 13 or 14 or what, whatever of like, how do you navigate adults that you're going, I'm going to make you do what I say and I'm going to send, you know, guide you on the way to get around to do what I say. And that being it, being particularly Samantha, who's totally.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so fascinating.

[Kristin Davis]

But she does it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She does it so well because she does it with such ease.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, she just knows that she's going to get what she wants. Right. She's not in any way struggling or trying too hard to get what she wants. She knows she's going to get it, which I love so much. I love so much. She's very, very good. Obviously, Kat is really incredible with whatever she's doing, but so we See, we. First we see Jenny and we see that, that she wants, you know, Samantha to be. To do her pr and Samantha's not sure. And then we're. She tells her, you know, the money or whatever, and Samantha's like, oh, okay. And then we're at the restaurant and you guys send Dom Perignon over, which is really funny. And then you come over and the girls are just like, so blown away by you guys. I'm not there for whatever reason. And they're just like so impressed. And they said that you're all like, you're 30. And Sarah Jessica's like, Carrie's like, oh,

[Charlotte]

they're 13.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, everybody's just floored. Which I think is also just very, very. Oh, and I forgot that Kat's character, Jenny says Carrie knows who Carrie is and says, oh, I didn't know you knew Carrie Bradshaw. And then she's fucking fabulous. I think it's all just so accurate because obviously I live with a 14 year old. So just the fact that they know everything. Yeah, you know, it's very real. It's very real.

[Kristin Davis]

But I also, I don't know if this is sort of in my head or not, but I kind of wonder, you know, we're. We're portraying these girls who are talking to these women of this age with this sort of like complete confidence and agency and all this stuff and being very rude and condescending and all that stuff. But that was not reality for anyone I knew, you know, even like Cat or me. We've never speak to women in their 30s that way, like, ever. Like, you would show respect, you would not do that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And yeah, that's not true anymore.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, but that's where it's sort of like, that's the thing. Very prophetic, like ahead of time or, you know, you're playing these girls that would and feel entitled to behave that way towards people who are older than them. Like that being. I don't know, that sort of like at the time you're going, right, it's pretend. It's pretend. We're not actually like doing the Elite.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Is that how you felt?

[Kristin Davis]

That's kind of.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, I think I probably would have also felt that way, obviously, because, you know, yeah, for sure, I was brought up with manners and whatnot. But yeah, you were playing a very specific group of people. I mean, we would sometimes be shooting on the Upper east side and little 8 year olds would come up to us and they would be not decked out in the way that you guys at 13 were. But like, on the way to that too, saying. And they would just be getting out of school or something. They'd see us filming. They'd be like, oh, we watched the show last week. And we'd be like, what? And then we would look around like, is their mother here? Does anyone hear them? And we would just be like, are

[Charlotte]

you sure you should be watching that?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, we were concerned for them, but they were very sure of themselves and very much, like, they were our peers, you know, they would talk to us like that. Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, they were polite. I don't mean to say that they weren't, but, like, it was a thing that we would encounter.

[Kristin Davis]

They were not intimidated to, like, speak their mind.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They were not.

[Charlotte]

They were not.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They were not. No, they were not. And they were like, we know you. You know, like that. And, I mean, I have to say, and sometimes I think this is great because obviously the world is a really complicated place. But my daughter, who obviously is my daughter, so it's different, but, like, she has friends. There's different personalities in the friend group or whatever. But she has one friend who. Who literally talks to me like, we are the same age. Do you know what I'm saying? And I try to keep it going, right? Because. Because sometimes it goes too far. Like, one time she wanted to argue with me about whether tank tops should be tight. It was so funny because, like, you know, they're so young.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Anyway, don't get me started. Sometimes I do have to remind her.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, how long was this argument? Did you have points of your debate?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay. I had taken them to Universal Halloween Horror Nights, which I praise for, because it was very terrifying.

[Kristin Davis]

Terrifying.

[Charlotte]

Very terrifying.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I've never been. I don't think I'll ever go again, but I had to.

[Kristin Davis]

I went once in my 20s. Never, ever, ever again.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I had to be the chaperone, you know, because they're, like adults there that are drinking, right? So I went. And it was in the car on the way home at, like, one in the morning, right? So, like, my patience had somewhat run out. And I was like, listen, I'm really old and I understand clothes, so don't argue with me about this little girl.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean. But I also love the pluck and the spunk and the. Yeah, they're gonna. That they're, you know, out there figuring things out and they're gonna tell you what they think.

[Kristin Davis]

And clothes matter so much. I think for certain girls at certain ages where it's totally their Expression. And it's how they so communicate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

True. Yeah, it's hard.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so hard as the mom.

[Kristin Davis]

But I remember having friends being younger and having very different feelings towards different clothes because of what, you know, what they associate with. What they associate with.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally. Oh, let's talk about Miranda for a second. I. Literally no memory of this entire storyline. I think it's hysterical. I also now know there's, like, a theme where they get stuff stuck in her teeth because it happens again later. Does it?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she's so game with it. One time. And I think we also write it in. I can't remember. It's later. Later, like, coming. It could be in a movie, but I think it's not. But she's eating salad. They always wanted us to eat a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

Salad always betrays you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. But that's why they loved it, right? Because they want it to be as real as possible. And at one point, there's a point where they were like, put more on your teeth. I remember this. But we're at a coffee shop scene, right? And I think we tell her, but she doesn't have the braces. Like, they just torture her sometimes. But of course she doesn't care.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's so relatable for some people.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So relatable. And she doesn't care at all. She has no vanity. Cynthia Nixon. No vanity whatsoever. But when she gets. When she goes, okay. So anyway, she. I didn't remember all this. The whole backstory, the fact that she comes in, like, I have clicking jaw and Matias. I don't remember any of this. It's fascinating. It's super fascinating. And, like, way to jump into a storyline.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you mean? It's very, very interesting. And so she's like, you know, this is what I have to do. I have to get some. Some braces. Because her. She's a tongue thruster. Like, what does this even mean? Oh, my God. I know. I don't remember a single bit of it. So then she gets the braces. They're pretty dainty compared to the braces I had 18 million years ago, which I had, like, the whole silver, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. But I feel like everybody had retainers for that. Like the pop in.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I did eventually have that later.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But not.

[Kristin Davis]

Not. But I think the more the fake ones they had to use would have maybe been less. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, hers look more. I think hers are a different. I think we were in between types because obviously I had mine when I was 10 years old. Okay. Long time ago. Now my daughter has them now and now they have 3D printed braces, which is very interesting. So they're pretty.

[Kristin Davis]

That's definitely like got to be a pop in.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, no, no popping. No popping. It is glued there. The 3D brace brackets are glued on there to. To actually move the teeth. Yeah, the popping and popping out is not going to move your teeth. You mean like the Invisalign? Is that what you mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She could have gotten the Invisalign, but like, I just didn't think that the, that the, the teen was going to be brushing.

[Kristin Davis]

I can go on a whole thing about Invisalign because I didn't do it, but a friend did it and how it's.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's very.

[Kristin Davis]

That's a different kind of commitment.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It is.

[Kristin Davis]

You're taking it with you to the restaurant.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

You might eat something later and then you want to rebrush it. Exactly. And then you're like certain hours.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's why I did not get it for my, for my young lady. But I got her the 3D and that's kind of what. What Miranda's look like. They're dainty.

[Kristin Davis]

They're not like so silver blocky and.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah. But they're still pretty prevalent.

[Kristin Davis]

My generation was right when they started pushing the clear braces as a good idea. And you'd see a lot more people with the clear braces and that just being like the new thing or the new thing that was.

[Charlotte]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Enough people started doing it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

For sure.

[Charlotte]

For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So she's got what I consider to be slightly dainty braces, but she feels like they're horrible and like she's the oldest person ever in the world to have braces. And my favorite. I mean, there's so many funny scenes here. Obviously when she goes on the date with the guy that, that you know, she meets in the cafeteria style restaurant with the rest of us though, I guess I. Was I there? Was I not there? I don't think there. Wait, no.

[Kat Dennings]

I am there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

With my wavy hair. I am there. I'm in one group scene and then I'm not in one group scene because I think I'm at therapy or whatever. Do you know what I mean? Like, like now that I'm married, unfortunately, Charlotte does not get to partake in everything. It's not going to kind of sad. Like when they go to la, Charlotte does not go and has to join them later. I. I do come.

[Charlotte]

I do come. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I was really bummed out. I remember Just because obviously I already liked your race. So I was like, wait, they're all going to go to LA without Charlotte? This is terrible. But then I joined them guys, I live here.

[Kristin Davis]

I'll show up. I'll just come by. They knew.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Believe me, they knew. But yeah, I was just like, why are they being so mean to me? But I, I do, I do. Come join. So she goes on the date that they have previously met at the cafeteria style restaurant, who's quite adorable, and then she has just like so much food stuck in her braces. And luckily he tells her. I think that's really important. I think that if you're with someone and someone else, you know, gets food stuck, that you should tell them. Like, sometimes I get really mad at my kids that they haven't told me. I'll get home and I'll look at my teeth. I'll be like, you guys, why did you not tell me? They were like, we didn't see.

[Kristin Davis]

I. I get the thing where I'm like, would you want them to tell you? Would you not want to tell? Like, obviously they've seen it. But then once they tell you and you fix it, you're like, they were just staring at me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. But wouldn't you rather get it fixed than just go about your don't know?

[Kristin Davis]

Because I can't get it out of my head after that. I don't know. It's a very weird thing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Interesting. I would want to know.

[Kristin Davis]

I get that feeling of like, if someone accidentally like walks in. In the bathroom.

[Charlotte]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know that feeling where you're like, you shouldn't feel shame. It's like, they didn't knock. They opened the door. There was no lock on the door.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You should not feel a certain way about it. You're like, it's an accident.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

But you can't shake that feeling. It's the same food in your teeth feeling for me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, I would not put them on the same level.

[Kristin Davis]

You wouldn't?

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, no, no, no.

[Kristin Davis]

We're just like, oh, I've been caught.

[Charlotte]

No, I've been caught.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I just want to know. I don't want to just go through my day or go through the birthday party or whatever it is with the food in the mouth. No, I don't.

[Kristin Davis]

It's never a good. It's never.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, it's not good. I want someone to tell me quickly. Quickly. When they first see it.

[Kristin Davis]

When you first see it?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. That's what I think you should do. Anyway, she's at this date and he tells her, which I think is really sweet. But it does seem like she doesn't really recover, which is kind of, I think, what you're saying. And that does make her go. Decide to get the braces off. But before she gets the braces off, I love the scene where she's at the law firm. And I. I feel she's so great. Miranda as a character is so great because she just says stuff, you know, that the rest of us might think, but we don't say. She's with just like, I don't know, 10 guys. And she's presenting the brief, I guess, to the, to the group. And there are guys at the other end of the table laughing, kind of snickering, laughing. And she thinks it's about her braces. And so she's trying to push on, but she can't. And then she goes, okay, you know, all right, you know, down there at the other end of the table, let's just take a minute and get it out of your system that you're laughing at my braces. And they go, hobbs. We were just laughing at the typo on page three. So good.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so good. But it's also like what you're saying where she says the thing that she's so good about being just like, say it bluntly. But I feel like she says the thing that everybody goes, I should have said this. When they get home from work, they're

[Cynthia Nixon]

like, what I would have liked to

[Kristin Davis]

have said was this. But she says it like at the moment she does.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's so cool.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Charlotte]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

This is good. This is very funny and very accurate to now still too. So Carrie, when Carrie's writing, she says we're Jenny breyer. That's Kat Denning's character. We're Jenny Breyer and her friends dressed

[Charlotte]

like 30 something year old women.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or were we just trying to look like teenagers? One of us was sending Dom Perignon while another was touring around New York on a scooter. When you're a teenager, all you want to do is buy beer, but once you hit 30, all you want to do is get carded. I wondered, in today's youth obsessed culture, are the women of my generation growing into mature, responsible adults or are we 34 going on 13? I mean, yeah. How accurate? It's very accurate still to today because it is still an incredibly youth obsessed culture. Probably even more so, I think.

[Kristin Davis]

But I feel like you, you having like a daughter who's 14. You would see kind of exactly what today is in that, in that way. Whereas I look back at that time and there was a real, it depends on, you know, what sort of childhood you're coming from. But there was like a broader real push that it was acceptable to dress like we were dressing and to do all this stuff while also knowing that that gets attention and it like in maybe ways you're not grown enough to be receiving and understanding and all that stuff.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, let's not leave out the year 2000 would be like heyday of Britney Spears.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. I was, think I was thinking that

[Cynthia Nixon]

before, before coming in here, it was, leave this out.

[Kristin Davis]

It really was, it was such a specific time of that being so normal and acceptable and like that's just what you did. Whereas like it's been thought through a lot more I think in the last 20 years. Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I mean, I feel like, yes, in some ways, yes. Like we saw kind of the damage and now I think there's a lot more awareness. Like the way that we talked about women's bodies, the things that people were put through back then culturally. Horrible. Right. But at the same time, I love Sabrina Carpenter so much and she's luckily older than Britney was, but like her music is so sexualized and like how she dresses. I mean, have you, have you seen?

[Kristin Davis]

I've seen, I've seen.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh God, I, I, I, yeah, I'm up on all this stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

You're up on. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sabrina, I love her and she's very empowered. Like it's not like she's a victim in any way, right?

[Kristin Davis]

No, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which is very powerful. She's a tiny, tiny little five foot thing and she's just like a little powerhouse, but it's so sexualized. My son loves her. He does not know what she's saying in her songs. Thank God he's seven. Okay. So like, yeah, no one explained this to him. No one explained to him what she's talking about. Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because they're like good bops, you know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But yeah, if you listen to the words, it's, it's, it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. Right, but so like, I feel like the music industry in particular is still really just a hotbed of strangeness in terms of the people who are successful seem to be pushed to. The women, I should say who are successful seem to be pushed somehow. I don't know if they're pushed or they choose it into this very sexualized presentation and performance style.

[Kristin Davis]

And the other thing being, I don't actually know what the truth of any of it is except my perception of it, which was like the Britney Spears, the Christina Aguilera, like all that time and stuff that came out, my perception of it was they were heavily encouraged, if not pushed to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I feel the same way. I don't know the truth, I don't know, but I feel the same way.

[Kristin Davis]

I look at a lot of the pop, I guess we call like pop stars now and it feels like they have more agency. It feels like, they.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they're not as young.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think there's that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, that's a win no matter what. Right. Because that, at that age is so terrifying. Right. Like, terrifying. But I also feel like, as a parent, you have to make this huge effort to. To keep your children as young as possible for as long as possible, which is super hard in the world that we live in.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's just really, really hard. And then you also have to let them be themselves, and then you have to let them develop, you know, in the way that they're developing. But it's rough. But, like. Like, just. And there are. I think social media in some ways also has a lot of negatives, but then sometimes it can have positives. Like, there's so many women talking about what we all went through in the 90s, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, talking about how rough it was, like, with the low cut. And the magazines were all critical of everybody's body at every moment. You know what I'm saying? I was on a different talk show, and I walked out. I had never been on this talk show. It was a later night one, right. Like, not as big a hit. And I walk out. They play the entry music, which is why I hate to hear the title credits. Like, I have so much anxiety about our music because I had so many weird experiences to it. I walk out, you know, people are cheering, they're really nice. I get there, and he goes, so you guys are the new Golden Girls? And, I mean, I was probably 33 or 34 when he said this to me, right? And I was like, what? Can I just leave now? Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Can I just turn around? I feel like what you're saying is not, like a group of women that other women want to watch. I feel like that's not what you're saying.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, you're insulting me.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then on the same episode, I'm just remembering this. He asked me if size matters. And I was like, dude, why. Why are you just gonna torture us now? Like, are we just going to be tortured? And, like, there was no preemptive. Like, no one told me.

[Kristin Davis]

No, there's no. Yeah, like you're walking into that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or told me or said, like, oh, yeah, he's gonna want to ask you a bunch of weird things. Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, he's gonna try to be one of the girls at lunch and.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, he was going to try to be, like a provocatin, you know, Provocateur. Sorry, Provocateur.

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[Charlotte]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Wait, today, any. Oh. Oh. A very important question. Peyton.

[Kristin Davis]

Nervous now?

[Charlotte]

Are you a Charlotte?

[Kristin Davis]

I want to. I want to ask you what that means, because, like, what.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So it means whatever you think it means.

[Kristin Davis]

Because I was wondering if people think of it in different ways, like, is it more personality or how you react to things? Is it more like world she comes from? Or, like, is it job? Is it anything? There's all those different.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I think that this is the joy of playing a character for so long.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

People have their own idea what. Or who she is.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it may be my idea, but

[Charlotte]

it might not be.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, I'm not gonna make you think of her a certain way.

[Kristin Davis]

How strange is it to feel like you're like, yeah, but I was her. But someone else interprets it totally differently. Even though I lived in it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm so used to it. I'm so used to it. I mean, I do think, as an actor, you.

[Charlotte]

You want that. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, you're trying to play a character that's gonna connect to people, and it's gonna connect to people based on their own lived experience.

[Kristin Davis]

Their own experience.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So you don't know what that's gonna be. I think the odd thing is that we've been playing them so long that you have now 30 years of experience of people talking to you about her. Right. So that is interesting and unusual, but it's great.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because people say so many different things, and they'll remember as to what it means for them. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The biggest thing I would say would be, do you believe in love? I do.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There you go.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do. Are you super loyal?

[Kristin Davis]

I think so. I hope my friends.

[Charlotte]

Sure you are.

[Kat Dennings]

Then.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm sure you are. Are you a good cheerleader?

[Kristin Davis]

I try to be.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

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[Charlotte]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What else you guys? Do you like white flowers?

[Kristin Davis]

I do. I like. My favorite is, like, white and green together.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Nice. Me too. Love white and green. Love white and green so much. Are you.

[Kristin Davis]

I know nothing about art. That's where I'm not.

[Cynthia Nixon]

People that would be, like, down the list.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Great saying. Yeah. It's not something that people harp on. I love that about her, that she loves art.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love that about her. But it's certainly not top of the mind. I think there is a traditional quality to Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That I don't personally share, but that's

[Kristin Davis]

where I might kind of differentiate. However, I was exposed to a lot of girls with that kind of upbringing, so I I can understand it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sure.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's not. Yeah, I don't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. But I mean, the other thing is you can be anyone you want to be or you can be different parts of different people or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, people think of Miranda as being, you know, super smart, powerful, ambitious. Calls it like it is, you know, like, cut to the chase.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Possibly cynical.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know why I kind of walked away from like where I left off or something and watching where whatever Miranda's character had gone through up at that point, I was like, she is like quietly, very, very compassionate and empathetic and like, oh, definitely, you know, getting these like things that you're going, oh. It's kind of goes against what the presumption of the successful female lawyer, you know, at that time.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's great.

[Kristin Davis]

Must have like not been or.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's so great.

[Kristin Davis]

But I remember being like, yeah, God, would I be able to be that understanding? And, and like how she handles like her long term relationships and all that stuff where you're going.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Pretty understanding.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. So later years, maybe not. Maybe I'm not caught up. Maybe I'm not caught up.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not. It's hard, hard for me to be objective sometimes about the other ones. And then Carrie, you would say, I would think, like, she's creative, she's a writer. She's always thinking, she's wondering about everything. Obviously I think I'm the least.

[Kristin Davis]

Strangely, I think I'm the least I remember because that question, that question came up a lot like before the show even ended. I remember when people were watching it, like, which one are you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And every girl would try to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, figure out which one she was. And always kind of being in this, like, like, not like that, but I'm a little bit like that and whatever. But the Carrie thing, everybody wanted, everybody was like, I think I'm a Carrie. I'm like, you're not a Carrie. You're not. You know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But I always looked at like the Carrie thing. She's like, she's the person we're going on the journey with in the essence that she's narrating.

[Charlotte]

Absolutely.

[Kristin Davis]

Although everybody over the course of the years probably says, well, no, I'm a Charlotte and I'm a. I mean, you

[Cynthia Nixon]

have different feelings at different times too.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, but feeling like I was the least, maybe the least like Samantha. But like just how her, her sort of like her creativity or exploration is Outward.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And. And that being part of what's so enjoyable to watch.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. So you're a mix. You're a mix.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm a Charlotte Miranda. Adorable sprinkle of some other things.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Love it, love it, love it, love it.

[Charlotte]

Peyton, Liz.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So much fun.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so nice to be here.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So nice to have you and you just a beautiful woman grown up so wonderfully. Congratulations.

[Kristin Davis]

13 years old was a while ago.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, it really is.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's been so cool to look back.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But it's amazing that you could have been in that world of being a model actor at 13 and grown up like a normal person.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, normal is relative, of course.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But you're here with me.

[Kristin Davis]

But I'm very.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're very thoughtful. You know, you. I mean. Yeah. I'm impressed.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, thank you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're welcome. I do think there is that weird preconception that everyone who was doing those kinds of, you know, performance type things at that age was damaged in some way by it, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I mean, sad some. In some cases it's. It's true and it did. But then in other cases it's actually like, like I look at a lot of the people that were in the professional world that time. When people bring up, oh, you need the people you knew when you were young because they'll understand all that stuff. But I look at those kids that were professional kids are going, we really do that. Like, was that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Some of them made it. Some of them made it out okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm so glad. I'm so glad because I don't think it was easy, but I think it has a lot to do. Also, like you said, your mom was with you all the time. I think that's, that's obviously so super important.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thanks everybody.

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