Lena Waithe on And Just Like That

Summary

Are You A Charlotte? – Lena Waithe on And Just Like That

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte?
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Lena Waithe
Date: November 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This bonus episode of "Are You A Charlotte?" finds host Kristin Davis (Charlotte York in Sex and the City) in a lively, candid conversation with writer/producer Lena Waithe. The discussion centers on HBO’s And Just Like That…, the evolution of diversity and authentic storytelling on the series, fan reactions (and sometimes backlash), and the unique challenges and joys of revisiting beloved characters at a new stage of life. The chemistry between Davis and Waithe blends deep analysis with inside stories, laughter, and mutual respect for the show's legacy and ongoing relevance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Representation, Specificity, and Evolution of the Show

• Expanding Diversity:
  • Waithe highlights the positive impact of more nuanced representation of women of color, particularly praising the dynamic between Jennifer Lewis’s and Nicole Ari Parker’s characters.
    • “What I loved about Jennifer Lewis is seeing Jennifer Lewis’s character and Nicole Parker’s character in the same frame... It’s not just about them being two Black women, but it was more about them being two very specific Black women. So specific and so different and obviously, you know, generational differences and obviously there’s humor and dealing with death. And I just thought it was so beautifully done.” (04:21–05:07, Lena)
  • Both discuss how in the past, diversity often seemed tokenistic, and celebrate And Just Like That… for creating fully realized, distinctive characters.
• Growing With the Audience:
  • Waithe and Davis reflect on the realities of depicting women in middle age on television, emphasizing the importance of authenticity rather than pandering to nostalgia or expectations.
    • “Shows grow and they shift and they change... I try to get away from this idea of, ‘oh, I need to see myself on screen.’ I want to know, what is it, are they struggling with? What are they going through?” (05:24–06:16, Lena)

2. Audience Reaction and Cultural Context

• Backlash & Critique:
  • The two unpack the often intense (even vitriolic) reactions And Just Like That… has received compared to real-life issues.
    • “I cannot believe the vitriol and intensity... and then you go, oh, it’s actually the same, it’s related. They’re not independent.” (08:29–08:43, Kristin)
  • Waithe jokingly invokes the “let them theory”—letting people have their reactions without letting it derail the creators.
• The Need for Empathy and Human Connection:
  • Waithe shares her belief in the power of storytelling to provoke empathy and connection, regardless of literal similarity between character and viewer.
    • “That’s the whole point. It’s about empathy. It’s about seeing your humanity as someone that looks nothing like you... Do it in a way that feels organic and authentic.” (06:26–06:43, Lena)

3. Behind the Scenes – Endings & Uncertainty

• Was That Really the Ending?
  • Davis and Waithe commiserate over the ambiguous (possibly accidental) nature of the most recent season’s ending.
    • “I just don’t feel like that was our ending because we didn’t know it was our ending...” (09:22, Kristin)
    • Davis recounts a dinner with Sarah Jessica Parker and Cynthia Nixon where none could recall exactly how the show ended or what their final conflict was about—a scene hilariously reminiscent of their on-screen roles. (10:35–12:41)
  • Scheduling, Covid disruptions, and creative fatigue all play into the somewhat scattered season finale.

4. Legacy, Continuity, and the Future

• Aging and Relevance:
  • Davis discusses the importance of continuing stories about women like Charlotte:
    • “Life isn’t over. And I feel a responsibility, in a way, to continue, if we are allowed to continue. Because I do feel like it’s important—to our original fans who are our ages. Whose lives also aren’t over.” (19:35–20:00, Kristin)
  • Waithe and Davis discuss mortality, health (including Vertigo and testicular cancer storylines), and why these topics matter.
    • “That’s the thing. And Just Like That still brings those conversations, man.” (22:15, Lena)
• You Can’t Go Home Again:
  • The conversation returns to how expectations have shifted—viewers wanting the old show versus the reality (and necessity) of growth.
    • “If we tried to make the old show, it would not have worked.” (23:53, Kristin)
    • “You can never go home again...” (23:50, Lena)
• Spin-Off Dreams:
  • Davis floats the idea of an LTW (Lisa Todd Wexley) family spin-off, with both hosts fantasizing about the story potential.
    • “I feel like it would be great.” (24:47, Kristin)

5. Favorite Scenes, Humor, and Memorable Moments

• Funeral Episode:
  • Davis and Waithe gush over the artistry and humor of scenes involving Jennifer Lewis, especially the stylish black mourning attire and over-the-top memorial sequence.
    • “Remember when the family... all get dressed to go to the funeral? So beautiful.” (24:53–25:02, Kristin)
    • “I was so... What a joy... Jennifer Lewis. I mean, the one and only.” (25:07–25:24, Lena)
• On-Set Camaraderie:
  • Both praise the joy of assembling new and old cast members, reinforcing how special the creative community remains.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Authentic Representation:
  • “It’s not just about, oh, let’s put a Black woman at the table, a Middle Eastern woman at the table. But it’s really more about, well, who are they?” (04:21–05:07, Lena Waithe)
• On Empathy in Storytelling:
  • “I don’t need a person to be Black and queer and female like me for me to relate to them.” (06:05, Lena Waithe)
• On Fan Backlash:
  • “You guys have paved the way. You’ve done the thing. This is your stage. And, like, when you go see a play, you don’t get to say, ‘I don’t like this or what’s going on.’ Whether I like it or not, is it really almost relevant? Because it’s done.” (07:35–08:01, Lena Waithe)
• On the Uncertain Ending:
  • “I just don’t feel like that was our ending because we didn’t know it was our ending. I didn’t know. I had no idea.” (09:22, Kristen Davis)
• On the Importance of Continuing:
  • “I do feel like it’s important—to our original fans who are our ages. Whose lives also aren’t over.” (19:55–20:01, Kristin Davis)
• On Why Stories Matter:
  • “And Just Like That still brings those conversations, man.” (22:16, Lena Waithe)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Representation & Diversity: 04:21–06:43
• Relating to Characters Beyond Demographics: 05:24–06:16
• Audience Reaction/Backlash: 07:09–08:46
• Uncertain Endings & Behind-the-Scenes Stories: 09:21–12:41
• Legacy, Future, Aging in Storylines: 17:16–20:34
• LTW Spin-Off Fantasy: 24:42–25:10
• Funeral Episode with Jennifer Lewis: 25:03–25:38

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Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, insightful, and honest, balancing reverence for Sex and the City's legacy with a clear-eyed view of its evolution and challenges. Waithe and Davis engage in friendly banter, revel in behind-the-scenes stories, and aren't afraid to probe into thorny issues around representation, backlash, and the realities of making art for a devoted-yet-demanding fanbase.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode offers both affectionate insight and critical reflection on how And Just Like That… negotiates changing times, audience expectations, and the reality of aging—on-screen and off. It's a must-listen for fans interested in not just nostalgia, but also in how iconic stories adapt and stay relevant in a rapidly evolving world.

Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi everybody. Welcome back to are you a Charlotte? We are here with a little bonus episode where Lena and discuss and just like that, please enjoy.

[Lena Waithe]

We were talking about women of color being on the show. What I loved about Jennifer Lewis is seeing Jennifer Lewis character and Nicole Parker's character in the same frame. So beautiful is it's not just about them being two black women, but it was more about them being two very specific black women. So specific and so different and obviously, you know, generational differences and obviously there's humor and dealing with death. And I just thought it was so beautifully done. I communicated that to Susan and to Jennifer as well. And I think that is the evolution of the show as well. And it's not just about, oh, let's put a black woman at the table, a Middle Eastern woman at the table. But it's really more about, well, who are they?

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't, okay, she's black. Great. What else?

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

And I think that's where you get Susan Fells Hill being very culturally specific and like, like, you know, kind of infusing some things that maybe she can relate to to the character. And Nicole, Ari Parker is fantastic. I've been a fan of hers for a long time.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Lena Waithe]

And so I think that that's to me is what happens is like shows grow and they shift and they change. But I also think we live in a very youth leading society as well. So when you're watching women who are of a certain age, who are living certain lives, there is a level of people or maybe people who are those characters, ages feel like, well, I don't live that way or that's not my experience. But I always. I say, I try to get away from this idea of, oh, I. Because I can see myself in the lead character in Baby Reindeer, and he's a white straight dude who is like, you know, in London as a struggle comedian, definitely. And even though I don't. I'm not. I don't have anything in common with him in that way. I can relate to his desire to be desired and his desire to be left alone.

[Kristen Davis]

Sure.

[Lena Waithe]

And so. And I think, to me, it's about what is the human connection that is happening with us in the character. That's why it's like, I don't need a person to be black and queer and female like me for me to relate to them.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

I want to know, what is it? Are they struggling with? What are they going through? Are they facing in this moment?

[Kristen Davis]

And that's the joy of what we do.

[Lena Waithe]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

You might relate to someone who has nothing similar to you.

[Lena Waithe]

Exactly. That's the whole point. It's like, it's about empathy. It's about seeing your humanity as someone that looks nothing like you. And I think that's why I was like, again, like, don't pacify me. Don't put characters in there. Because you're like, well, this is the right thing. It's like, no, like, do it. If you're gonna do it, do it. Do it in a way that feels organic and authentic.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree. I agree. And I think for us, like, the joy of. And just like, that was to get to come back together with our new people who brought so specificity, love, you know, joy. Like, they were so present. Everyone brought their best. And that's what we felt when we were there. So sometimes the reaction just didn't match. And then you're like, what is happening? So that's what I was curious about, you know, what is happening?

[Lena Waithe]

And the truth is, is, like, because you can't go to everyone's house and ask.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

You know, I would like to, though, because. And I think. And there's so many different answers. But again, I think whenever there is turmoil or there' as sort of a frustration, you kind of have to again, critique the criticism and say, hey, what's happening? Don't they always say, oh, I'm. You guys don't know? Because sometimes people are like, say, hey, that's not working for me. I don't get this.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

Why are they doing that? You know, I mean, it is interesting. Yeah. It's Cool to have a conversation. But the truth is, you guys have paved the way. You've done the thing. This is your stage.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

And, like, when you go see a play, you don't get to say, I don't like this or what's going on.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Lena Waithe]

You kind of say, hey, this is what I came to see. Right. And whether I like it or not, is it really almost relevant? Because it's done.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true. That's already done. Right. But we're not living in times like that, which is interesting. I'm just fascinated by the shift in, like, where is it gonna go? You know what I mean? Like, what's gonna happen?

[Lena Waithe]

But I also think people just need their. People are frustrated, and I think they need something to be frustrated by.

[Kristen Davis]

I think 100% it's a lot easier to be frustrated by a TV show.

[Lena Waithe]

Than what's actually happening in the world.

[Kristen Davis]

And I get that. And I get.

[Lena Waithe]

By the way, what's funny is you'll see more passion that the voting rights being rolled back.

[Kristen Davis]

That was one thing that I, at the time, I was like, I cannot believe the vitriol. Vitriol and, like, intensity. And then, like, look over here. Okay. But then you go, oh, it's actually the same. It's related. They're not independent.

[Lena Waithe]

They're not. Right. They're not separate of each other. Right, right, right. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But that's hard to be in that place, you know?

[Lena Waithe]

Right. But I'm a fan of the book, the let them theory.

[Kristen Davis]

Are you?

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah. So it's like, let them.

[Kristen Davis]

That make me so many surprises from Lena.

[Lena Waithe]

Let them.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, you know. Yes. I think the hard thing is.

[Lena Waithe]

What do.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you continue. Do you continue regardless of. Of that, or do you take it in and think that it means, you know, what do you do with it? All right. And we stopped for now, as I said, I feel like there's more to be to be said, I hope.

[Lena Waithe]

More stories to tell.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. I just don't feel like that was our ending because we didn't know it was our ending. I didn't know. I didn't know. I had no idea.

[Lena Waithe]

I read like, an article in Holly Reporter, so I don't know that I.

[Kristen Davis]

Thought Michael and Sarah discussed that it might end, but no one told the rest of us.

[Lena Waithe]

Oh, interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Lena Waithe]

I didn't know that.

[Kristen Davis]

I had no idea. We had dinner, the three of us, Sarah, Sin and I, maybe two weeks after it ended. And Sarah told you we hadn't. No, we knew. We knew because he told us before, like, we'd filmed it, but it hadn't aired.

[Lena Waithe]

Gotcha.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. He would never leave us totally unaware. But we were largely unaware. Right. I mean, every season it was unclear slightly. Right. As it is. You know, but also, I would see a glint in his eye, like a creative glint in his eye, and I would be like, okay, but we were a little burnt at the end of this one, you know, I felt a different energy. And partly because he was going to do the Comeback.

[Lena Waithe]

Right, right. Season three.

[Kristen Davis]

So the creative energy was there.

[Lena Waithe]

Sure.

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Right.

[Kristen Davis]

And I thought, he'll just need. You know, Michael's always gonna have ideas. Right. So I wasn't that worried about it. Like, I read the script, the final script, and I was like, that's not our ending. That's me.

[Lena Waithe]

I think you're not alone in that.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know, I know. And then. So when we had dinner, the three of us, I said to Sarah, I was like, I just don't feel that that is, like, a good ending.

[Lena Waithe]

I'm curious what Sarah had to say.

[Kristen Davis]

Sarah said, well, I don't know quite what happened, because, you know, we, like, towards the end, I think I was shooting six episodes at once. Like, that's how messy our season had gotten.

[Lena Waithe]

What?

[Kristen Davis]

I had not filmed the part where I tell her that Harry has cancer yet, because I'd gotten Covid the week I was supposed to film it in July 4th. We.

[Lena Waithe]

That's happened to us.

[Kristen Davis]

We're an active getting Covid. It's a hot mess. You have to work around it. It's terrible. So because it was a Duane Reade or whatever it was, cvs, whatever it was passed. Yeah. It got bumped all the way down till the bitter, bitter end.

[Lena Waithe]

Interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. So, like, I had to remember, like, okay, wait, have. Have I not told people? Do I know? Do I not. You know, it was all that juggling that you do as an actor. Right. So the Thanksgiving episode, which was general craziness anyway.

[Lena Waithe]

I know about Thanksgiving episodes.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, right. You are the master of Thanksgiving episodes. She's delivering pies. We're at Miranda's. Not there, exactly. There's some bizarre bathroom antics going on. So we're having dinner, and she's like, I don't remember what happened. And I said, you know, we argue about something, but I don't know what it was. She's like, I don't know what it was either. And Cynthia's like, maybe it had to do with vict. And we're like, maybe it did. I mean, we. We. We don't know, like, that can't be our ending.

[Lena Waithe]

This is literally a scene. And just like that.

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I know, I know.

[Kristen Davis]

We were in a little small room of this restaurant that Sarah had called ahead so that we could. And there was like maybe three other people there, three other couples, and they were just like, what is going on? We were laughing really hard.

[Lena Waithe]

You know what I mean?

[Kristen Davis]

We were laughing really hard. We thought this whole thing was pretty funny, but only because we were so addled by the end. You know, that's my word, not theirs, but you know what I mean? We were like, we don't know what happened. And Sarah doesn't watch, right, because she finds it uncomfortable at this point in time to watch. So she was like, I don't know. She said, you need to ask me these questions in a year when I've had time to process. And I was like, okay, I will do that. I'm gonna.

[Lena Waithe]

You'll mark your calendar.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm gonna catalog this and I'm gonna be like, Sarah Jessica, hello. I have some questions.

[Lena Waithe]

What's going on? Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

But I mean, it's. Who knows?

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Lena Waithe]

I think it's interesting with like endings of shows hard and characters so hard and it's like you guys live in a very specific place for people because like I'll go go back and revisit the first movie. You know, obviously I'll go back revisit certain episodes and seasons and things like that and and I really liked the first season of it just like that. I thought it was really interesting. Thank You. I do. I think it was.

[Kristen Davis]

I think it was really interesting, too.

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[Lena Waithe]

And by the way, it's very Mary Tyler Moore coded, because they came back with Mary and Rhoda and it was.

[Kristen Davis]

Like a whole thing. Yes. Which I watched.

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah, me too.

[Kristen Davis]

It was a TV movie.

[Lena Waithe]

They were trying to make it a series, but they made it a TV movie. And it is that thing of revisiting these characters that you know and you love and you want to see where they are and what's going on. And, I mean, and Marianne and Valerie Harper, I mean, they were, you know, you know, women of a certain age going back into the workforce, dealing with a lot of different things. And so you guys are very much a part of that lineage.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Lena Waithe]

And we're happy to be. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's iconic. And I think what you're saying is, you're like, oh, now the world has shifted and is different than when we were first doing this.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, definitely.

[Lena Waithe]

Even when the movie came out, all these different things. When the movie came out, you guys would go on Oprah and promote it, you know, and now it's like, you know, and just like that, like, Sarah's going on Howard's show to talk about what's going on. You're like, oh, what. What world is this going?

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[Lena Waithe]

And so I just think the show continues to grow with us. And I hear you on the ending. It's interesting. Cause I still have held off watching the last episode of. And just like that, I know people that have. And they're sort of like, no, you gotta have the ending in the funeral, if you will. And for me, I'm just sort of like. I'm not even ready to kind of.

[Kristen Davis]

I haven't watched it yet.

[Lena Waithe]

Have that last chapter.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel the same way, Lena. That's why I don't feel finished. Do mean. I just don't feel finished. I just don't feel finished. Yeah, I'm going to work on Michael Patrick movie maybe. I mean, I feel like it could be anything we wanted, but I don't think we should do a movie in the theaters as special as that was. I feel like we should let streaming maybe. I mean, we'll see what happens with our company.

[Lena Waithe]

Oh, I know.

[Kristen Davis]

Good Lord.

[Lena Waithe]

I know. They may get bought up.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, everything.

[Lena Waithe]

I know, I know. Look, I. I'm a. I love TV characters never die, though.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true.

[Lena Waithe]

They just always live on.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. But that's why I also feel like. I feel like, first of all, I feel, just as a woman who is my age, of Charlotte. Right. Life isn't over. And I feel a responsibility in a way, to continue, if we are allowed to continue. Because I do feel like it's important.

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

To our original fans who are our ages. Right.

[Lena Waithe]

True.

[Kristen Davis]

Whose lives also aren't over.

[Lena Waithe]

That's the thing.

[Kristen Davis]

It's a real thing.

[Lena Waithe]

They're, like, living.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. And hopefully thriving.

[Lena Waithe]

Maybe with Vertigo.

[Kristen Davis]

Maybe I'm like, susan, what's up with the Vertigo situation? Yes.

[Lena Waithe]

Did she have her about it?

[Kristen Davis]

She was the expert. I had to say, which one of you guys. Okay. Cause someone to help me.

[Lena Waithe]

But I didn't. Like, I was like, oh, it's something I definitely don't want to get.

[Kristen Davis]

Listen, that's how I felt as well. I was like, what?

[Lena Waithe]

It's happening.

[Kristen Davis]

It's happening.

[Lena Waithe]

But look, they gotta introduce new things to us that we're not familiar with, that we're not aware of.

[Kristen Davis]

That's right.

[Lena Waithe]

I will say what bumped me. It was odd that Charlotte wouldn't tell the girls about Harry having cancer because, like, what was the secret?

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I thought it was about? And I mean, this is my. I don't always.

[Lena Waithe]

Steve had testicular cancer.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. But that was a while ago. I mean, that was before the children were born, Right?

[Lena Waithe]

Well, yeah. They were little pregnant.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right.

[Lena Waithe]

Because.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right. Exactly. Right. I haven't rewatched that part yet, but I remember it vaguely. I think, personally, this is what I personally think. Those children could be very high maintenance.

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So I think Charlotte was trying to protect herself by not telling them. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes.

[Lena Waithe]

But what about her friends?

[Kristen Davis]

Well, she wanted to tell her. Obviously. That was really hard.

[Lena Waithe]

Harry didn't want that.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Because Harry was trying to keep it a secret.

[Lena Waithe]

Why?

[Kristen Davis]

Well, this is also based on a writer's situation.

[Lena Waithe]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

A writer's significant other's situation.

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[Kristen Davis]

You know, they always have to use those. Sure. Where I think that person had just felt like if everyone knew while they were going through it, that they would have pity for them and talk to them in a way that would make them uncomfortable. They didn't want to make everyone feel bad. They wanted to wait till it was done.

[Lena Waithe]

I did. Like the moment where he was watching a baseball game and you were like, is this how you want to spend the last moments? And he's sort of like, yeah. I'm like.

[Kristen Davis]

He's like, don't bother me.

[Lena Waithe]

I know. It's like, let him do what he wants to do.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, it was funny. I couldn't feel it was funny in the moment because I had to be Charlotte. Right, I know, but I did. I liked that scene on the page because I also thought that's a very.

[Lena Waithe]

It was a deep thing. I literally said that to somebody where I was like, wow, how do you want to spend your last moments?

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know, I know. Right.

[Lena Waithe]

And you don't want to be doing these sort things of. Of forced family. Oh, goodbye.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Lena Waithe]

You want to do the things that make you happy and bring you joy.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely.

[Lena Waithe]

So that's the thing. And just like that still brings those conversations, man.

[Kristen Davis]

It does. I know it does. I agree, I agree. And that's why I don't feel like we're done. But that's okay. That could just be me.

[Lena Waithe]

But was that how like that about that chapter is that you guys are dealing with mortality?

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[Lena Waithe]

I think that's also what freaked out about on Sex in the City. It's like.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, right?

[Lena Waithe]

Episodes like splat, you know, but for the most part rare.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, exactly. And I think that's also some of the reaction. But I don't know that people are aware that that's what they're reacting to, right?

[Lena Waithe]

Well, of course not.

[Kristen Davis]

Because why would a 30 year old have that awareness?

[Lena Waithe]

Right. Or want to be thinking, is that what I'm going to be doing when I'm older? Or what's ahead?

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Right.

[Kristen Davis]

They would rather think of us in our 30s.

[Lena Waithe]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I get it, I get it, I get it.

[Lena Waithe]

Because it's also a more fun time.

[Kristen Davis]

It's totally more fun. And we got those crazy outfits, we're.

[Lena Waithe]

Running around the streets, single, still thinking about getting weddings, you know, getting pregn it by accident.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Lena Waithe]

You know, totally.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. We took in my mind, I remember the conversation where Sarah and Michael called me about. And just like that we knew somewhat intellectually, like we had an idea that it was going to be challenging for people to come into the new era with us. Right. You know, we had some understanding of that. But then like the reality of it is so much more than your intellectual idea of it. You know, the visceral reaction that people had. But then also I still stand by it, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't feel like we have to not do something so that people don't get upset.

[Lena Waithe]

Right. But here's the thing. Like you can never go home again.

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[Lena Waithe]

You know, and if we tried to.

[Kristen Davis]

Make the old show, it would not have worked.

[Lena Waithe]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Like people are Very mad.

[Lena Waithe]

Oh, yeah. No, it's like, you can't be doing the same if you're, you know, at this age when you were doing that.

[Kristen Davis]

And people would say to me, like, I don't understand why you girls weren't going out more. And I'm like, what?

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah, I know.

[Kristen Davis]

People would say a lot of crazy things to me again.

[Lena Waithe]

Because they want the old show.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. And I'm like, but you have the old show and you can watch it. It's still there. Enjoy it. It's great.

[Lena Waithe]

Y' all. Just challenging.

[Kristen Davis]

We're just in a different place. We are. That's how we roll.

[Lena Waithe]

We're challenging, folks about interracial dating, about Vertigo, about testicular cancer.

[Kristen Davis]

Testicular cancer.

[Lena Waithe]

All of it.

[Kristen Davis]

Prostate cancer.

[Lena Waithe]

Husbands dying on pelotons.

[Kristen Davis]

Husbands dying on pelotons. Happening with the shoes on.

[Lena Waithe]

Yes. I mean, black women making documentaries.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Lena Waithe]

About people they've never heard of. Like, this is weird.

[Kristen Davis]

In my mind, there is an LTW's family spin off.

[Lena Waithe]

Oh.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like it would be great.

[Lena Waithe]

Okay. LTW spin off.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Lena Waithe]

Wow. Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Remember when the family. When they all get dressed to go to the funeral?

[Lena Waithe]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So beautiful.

[Lena Waithe]

I know. Very classy black morning.

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I know.

[Kristen Davis]

And. And Nicole said she was in a Felini movie in her mind.

[Lena Waithe]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And I was like, you brought that. You brought that.

[Lena Waithe]

I was so.

[Kristen Davis]

What a joy.

[Lena Waithe]

And then also the. The humor they got with that damn memorial.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. A week of filming for that. Of course. Jennifer.

[Lena Waithe]

Jennifer Lewis. I mean, the one and only.

[Kristen Davis]

Incredible.

[Lena Waithe]

The one and only.

[Kristen Davis]

What a joy to have her.

[Lena Waithe]

I'm so glad y' all got her in there.

[Kristen Davis]

God, me too.

[Lena Waithe]

So fun.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too.

[Lena Waithe]

She's cracking me up.

[Kristen Davis]

She really is.

[Lena Waithe]

I wish did the super fantasy Better days. It's just, like, nuts.

[Kristen Davis]

It was so great.

[Lena Waithe]

She's great.

[Kristen Davis]

She's so great. And everyone. Everyone we had was so great. That's the other joy of getting to go back to work is you get to bring the people that you want that need things to do that are, you know, contributing their. Their art. It's beautiful.

[Lena Waithe]

No, it was great. I. I loved all the new people you introduced and obviously seeing folks from the. The og The OG Show.

[Kristen Davis]

We love them so much. I know, I know. We love everybody, but, you know, we're lucky. We got to make it.

[Lena Waithe]

Yes, absolutely. Especially. Especially in this time.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Lena Waithe]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Lena Waithe]

This is an iHeart podcast.