Maybe we could be each other’s soulmates… (S4 E1 "The Agony and the Ex-tacy")

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: "Maybe we could be each other's soulmates…" (S4 E1 "The Agony and the Ex-tacy")

Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Easton (producer/technician)
Date: March 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode marks the start of the podcast’s deep-dive into Sex and the City Season 4, focusing on the iconic episode "The Agony and the Ex-tacy." Host Kristin Davis (Charlotte York) and producer Easton reminisce about the show’s pivotal exploration of soulmates, female friendship, loneliness, and self-worth—especially through the lens of Carrie’s 35th birthday fiasco. Together, they blend behind-the-scenes insights, cultural commentary, and honest reflections on womanhood then and now.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Season 4’s Tone & Structure

• Kristin considers S4 as an extension of S3, often conflating episodes but recognizing that these are some of their best.
• Michael Patrick King wrote and directed both E1 & E2 (“The Agony and the Ex-tacy” and “The Real Me”), giving the season a cinematic start.

  "Writing, directing two episodes is like doing a film, basically." (Kristin, 01:23)

• The dual premiere episodes aired together—a smart move, since one is introspective (Carrie’s birthday/soulmates) and the other is more fun and showy (the fashion show).

2. The Birthday Dinner Scene: Loneliness & Friendship

• The heartbreak of Carrie’s failed 35th birthday dinner, where her friends miss the dinner due to real-life NYC construction chaos (and Stanford arriving at the wrong restaurant).
• Kristin shares vivid filming memories—of Charlotte comforting a rain-soaked, mascara-streaked Carrie in the shower, the stress over wardrobe, and the freezing February shoots pretending to be summertime.

  "It’s always a big deal to get anybody wet at work... because you can’t really recreate it." (Kristin, 02:12)

• Reflection on New York’s pre-9/11 vibrancy and the show’s sense of 'innocence-ish’ at the time.

3. Soulmates: Central Theme

• The episode’s core is the question: Are soulmates real? The characters’ opinions mirror real-life debates:
  • Miranda: skeptical, doesn't believe in soulmates.
  • Carrie: thinks there could be more than one.
  • Samantha: jokes she has hundreds; romantic connections are “unattainable.”

  "Maybe we could be each other's soulmates—and then we can let men be these great, nice guys to have fun with." (Charlotte/Kristin quoting Charlotte, 23:08)

• Both hosts dig into what 'soulmate' means to them—from the myth of 'the one' to the hard work of maintaining real relationships.

  “It takes work... At a certain point that’s not going to be how it is… Do you care about your relationship enough to work on it?” (Kristin, 31:49)

4. Carrie’s Birthday Ordeal: Humiliation & Growth

• The sequence of mishaps: Carrie getting stood up, her cake dropping into fresh pavement, catcalls from construction workers.
• Sarah Jessica Parker’s physical comedy lauded:

  “It’s just Sarah Jessica at her best... her vulnerability, but also being funny and so real." (Kristin, 17:25)

• The show’s attention to small emotional details—from Carrie's alone moment in the restaurant, to being comforted by friends, to her bittersweet birthday end with Big.

5. Charlotte & Trey: Disappointment & Resilience

• Charlotte’s journey this episode: feeling like an outsider at a party, wearing the iconic polka dot dress, going to Trey’s for intimacy but facing another sexual frustration.
• Kristin reflects on Charlotte's openness and her standards, admiring her lack of self-blame and her ability to move forward:

  "She wasn't really doing that, which I think is impressive." (Kristin, 35:02)

• The subtle strength of Charlotte—trying, failing, yet guarding her hope for happiness ("Maybe he’s still out there").

6. Samantha & The Friar: Unattainable Desire

• Samantha tries and fails to seduce a handsome friar (“Friar Fuck”), relishing the reversal where her charms don’t work.
• Brief tangent on actor Costas Mandylor’s later fame in the Saw movies—Kristin eager to have him on the podcast.
• This arc underscores that Sex and the City let all its women win and lose—subverting expectations for each.

7. Miranda: Honesty, Expectations, and Social Pressure

• Miranda’s attempts to avoid 'the pity party' at the singles-heavy gathering, using overcompensating humor.
• The relatable pressure from others: “Are you seeing anyone?” “When are you getting married?” “Are you having kids?”
• Real-life resonance as hosts share how these questions persist (or evolve) for single and childfree adults today.

  “Anything that’s not the default is like, ah, it’s a whole drama.” (Kristin, 60:00)

8. Shifting Social Norms: Then and Now

• Hosts reflect on how much has shifted (and how slowly) around expectations for women to marry, have children, 'couple up,' etc.
• Citing Sex and the City’s genuine impact on cultural conversations around singleness, female friendship, and choice.
• The group’s unity—women as each other’s soulmates—remains deeply resonant.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Soulmate Realness:

• “That part got me. Because it's a very big cake, and they bring it to a table of two people.” (Easton, 21:16)
• "Maybe we can be each other's soulmates. And then we could let men be these great, nice guys to have fun with. Good call, Charlotte." (Kristin quoting Charlotte, 23:08)

Birthday Chaos:

• "Talent on talent on talent, physical talent, her vulnerability but also being funny and so charming and funny and so real… that's Sarah Jessica at her best." (Kristin, 17:25)
• “When she's trying to scoop the cake up, and her purse is open, but it doesn’t spill… her dress almost flashes the guys... I was so concerned on so many levels.” (Kristin, 20:14)

On Social Pressure:

• “Everyone’s got their insecurities about what your expectations are, and they’re just trying to get in front of that and do a little song and dance, if that’s what they've got to do.” (Kristin, 53:55)
• "Anything that's not the default is like, ah, it's a whole drama... it's just so not the default, right?" (Kristin, 60:00)

Cultural Resonance:

• “This is the show on TV. Somehow we let it breathe. We don't have enough time. When you think about everything that happens in each episode... There's breath in it.” (Kristin, 36:11)
• “I think that social norms are fascinating and I think that they change very slowly, right?” (Kristin, 59:49)
• “The only thing I want to say is I hope… that it takes work, but that’s for both people.” (Kristin, 31:59)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:23 - Michael Patrick King's dual role and episode structure
• 02:12 - Behind-the-scenes of Carrie’s shower scene, wardrobe/season logistics
• 07:56 - Why the coffee shop soulmates scene makes Easton cry
• 09:53 - Charlotte’s hope after disappointment with Trey
• 12:23 - Early-2000s dating vs. modern apps; speed dating flashback
• 17:25 – Hyundai Hot Take: Carrie’s birthday cake disaster on Fifth Ave
• 23:08 – Charlotte’s iconic “Soulmates” line at the coffee shop
• 31:49 – “Soulmates” as an ideal—work, change, and relationships
• 35:02 – Charlotte’s quick recovery and standards
• 39:22 – Charlotte and Trey's failed intimacy, Kyle MacLachlan’s role
• 41:07 – Samantha’s encounter with Friar and the actor’s later Saw career
• 47:36 – Fashion tangent: colors, seasons, and Charlotte’s style
• 53:11 – Miranda’s experiences with social pressure and expectations
• 60:00 – Changing norms around singleness and family
• 65:21 – Carrie and Big's sweet car scene, emotional closure of the episode
• 66:39 – Show’s maturity and Michael Patrick King’s creative impact

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Tone & Language

The conversation remains warm, intimate, and self-effacing—typical of Kristin’s approachable charm and Easton’s earnest fandom. Both swing easily between nostalgia, critical insight, and personal anecdote. The friendship among the SATC women is celebrated both in narrative and real life, conveying an ongoing optimism and curiosity towards relationships, aging, and self-understanding.

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For Listeners New and Old

This episode is a heartfelt walk down memory lane and a cultural roundtable in one. Listeners get exclusive looks behind the scenes (freezing shoots, wardrobe woes, performer memories), emotional analyses of one of SATC’s most beloved episodes, and a thoughtful discussion of how conversations about love, loneliness, and women’s choices have evolved. The inclusive, open tone invites fans—Charlotte or otherwise—to see themselves in the discussion, reinforcing the podcast’s mission: embracing heart, humor, and optimism in the present as well as the past.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Okay, you guys, guess who I have to rewatch with me? Our producer, technician extraordinaire, Easton.

[Easton]

Hi, Kristen. It's so great to be back.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you for being with us.

[Easton]

I'm such a big fan.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. You're the sweetest, sweetest fan. He knows so much, you guys. He knows more than I know. I feel like, you know, like, when I don't remember things, he remembers things, which is so helpful. And this is fun because this is our first episode of the fourth season, which, as you've heard me say, I think of as an extended version of the third season. Like, if you ask me about the fourth season, I just draw a total blank. But of course, when I watch the episodes, like, these are some of the best episodes. I thought they were all in episode season three.

[Easton]

Three.

[Kristen Davis]

But no, we are now in season four, and we come out with a bang, bang. And these are both. The 401 and 402 are both written and directed by Michael Patrick King, which is how he likes to roll and how he then ended up doing our films. And. And just like that, we are. This is the first time, I believe, that we're seeing him writing and directing both. So writing, directing two episodes is like. It's like doing a film, basically.

[Easton]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, your prep, your post, all of the casting. You know, you're in it. But that's how he loves to be, right? And he wrote such beautiful episodes, and they're so different. And apparently we aired them together, which is also really smart of hbo because they are kind of different, like the Agony and the Ecstasy. The first one is a little bit more introspective. Carrie's turning 35. She's thinking about Soulmates. And then the next one is the real me with the fashion show and a fashion roadkill, which is funnier and bigger, like a. It's like a big set piece to have that fashion show in the middle of it, right?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And this one, I mean, I didn't remember half of what happened, so I was really into watching it, and it was really, really good. I did not remember that poor Carrie goes to her birthday dinner and we don't come.

[Easton]

Oh, my God, that part is so heartbreaking.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And she really takes it well. But what I remember, I'll just say this first. This is my biggest. Well, I have two memories of filming of these episodes. I remember that I, Charlotte, go to Carrie's apartment When we haven't gone to her dinner. I didn't remember that we didn't make it because of. There's, like, a New York City traffic situation.

[Easton]

There's a lot of construction work on Fifth Avenue.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. They're repaving, which is crazy and very real. Like, if something major like that happens, you can't get to a different neighborhood. Like, it's wacky. Unless you take the subway, which if you. Apparently, none of us were going to do. But also, where El Canton Nori is would have been a bit of a challenge anyway to take the subway. But anyway, they don't make it. But they make it late, and then they want to go to the coffee shop. But then she's not answering her phone because she's in a dark, emotional hole, as she describes it. And I remember that I had to go to her apartment when she's in the shower, and she had all her makeup running down her face, and, you know, she was soaking wet. And it's always a big deal to get anybody wet at work. Right. Because you can't really recreate it, you know, like, one shot, Right? Right. Pretty much. And I remember the stress of that and also the stress of what she was gonna actually wear. Right. Because I had to, like, you know, we had to, like, open the shower curtain. They do that kind of cool shot of me through the shower curtain and her through the shower curtain. And then I had to open it, and we have kind of an important conversation where I'm like, we're all, we want you to come. You know, we feel so bad. It's your birthday. I remember that. And I remember Sarah just soaking wet and, like, freezing. Like, shivering freezing. And I was so worried about her. I remember that. And I also remember that there was a lot of stress about the outfit that Charlotte would wear. They all go to this party, and they. They feel like they're the only single people there, which I'm sure they were, because I've had this experience, you know, many times. And then I end up going to Trey's apartment, which becomes my apartment, but isn't yet my apartment. And I have to wear that dress for a really long time. And he also has to try to kind of have sex with me or convince me to have sex with him when this thing happens on the dress. And I was really stressed about what would show or whatever, how we would pull that off and not have it be revealing or uncomfortable or whatever. And then also it was freezing because we would go back to work in February. So if you Notice, like, Samantha has some major coats on.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And we are. All the rest of us are wearing a lot of leather. This is historically when Pat would be getting the furs out, but I think that they didn't think that party we were going to was like fancy enough to be a fur moment. Right. So we're all just wearing a lot of leather. And I still have that coat. I have. I'm wearing like a. It's a Richard Tyler leather trench, which

[Easton]

is really pretty in terms of like when you, when you're filming it, are they setting it to be basically the time of year of when you're shooting it? Yeah, because it aired in June.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yes. No, we're supposed to be in June. There's always a lot of stress. Yeah.

[Easton]

Yeah. Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Cuz we're trying not to look like it's February, but New York February is completely different than New York June. And we were just always freezing. You know, it was very, very cold. But we had to wear like June type clothes. Right. And luckily we would get some kind of coats, you know, because also New York fluctuates so much. But that's why we're wearing the leather, because it's kind of shiny and it has a life to it, you know, And I guess that was what was in at the time because we're still in the year now. Are we? We're in 2001. Got it. Oh, wow. 2001. Oh, my God. So the other thing I remember about this in general, though, it wouldn't have been happening yet in February. The summer of 2001 was like the most glorious summer. And in so many ways it was like the height before the fall.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, like every. The weather was incredible. The colors were incredible. Like, people were so happy and out on the street and there were just parties everywhere. It felt like also, I think because the sis success of the show. Right. It was like busy and vibrant and, you know, happening in so many ways. And then of course, September 11, you know, that all came. Came to an end. So that's what it's like. The glory. The glory times.

[Easton]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

I was just thinking about, like, what. What it must have been like in the city during that summer.

[Kristen Davis]

It was beautiful. So beautiful. The city in the summer is so, so beautiful. And back then, you know, it was like innocent, ish in a way. I don't know how to put it. Like, it's never really innocent, I guess, because it's a city and there's like a lot of whatever. But, you know, I'm Sober. So it's, you know, like the parties and things were more about interesting people and kind of like the fashion world, the art world, like, different mixes of people would be at New York parties. Whereas if you go to a party in la, it's probably the entertainment industry, right?

[Easton]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But in New York, you've got. And then there's the tech Bros. Probably not them, though. There would have been the money people, the stock guys, Wall street people and stuff. Yeah, the Wall street people, definitely. But it is. It's interesting there. And it was certainly interesting in those days because I feel like it was just the height of all the things, you know, like we were all going out to the beach on the weekend. You know, I rented a place. It was in the woods, just to be calm. It was beautiful. So beautiful. I know. The olden days. The olden days. It's crazy to think about it. Okay, let's talk about this episode, the Agony and the Ecstasy. Did you tell me that you just rewatched this, like, separately or you rewatched it for us?

[Easton]

I had rewatched it probably a year ago.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, wow.

[Easton]

And. And I. I mean. And we'll get to it, but it's just one of those episodes that. There's so many great moments in this episode. I cried twice.

[Kristen Davis]

What?

[Easton]

I cried twice watching this last night. When I cried twice a year ago. When. When you say. When Charlotte says we can be. To their soulmates. Yeah. And you know what? I. I don't jump ahead too much, but the big moment. The big moment truly made me cry. I thought that was so special.

[Kristen Davis]

I really liked him. He was very likable. I was happy. I felt happy for her. Yes, in a good way. It's a good payoff. It's a good payoff that you really don't think you're gonna get. You're prepared to not get it, just like Carrie's prepared to not get it. So we'll obviously go in order.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

But, yeah, it's a good one. I'm so glad.

[Easton]

It's a really great episode.

[Kristen Davis]

So nice. I mean, I think that. What I love rewatching it. About that coffee shop scene, which is the birthday. Is it the birthday scene? Wait, no. Maybe it's not. It's earlier.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

No, it is.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Is it okay?

[Easton]

Yeah. Near the end.

[Kristen Davis]

What I love is that we are all individually upset because she's upset, which I had forgotten about, you know, because you see that when I say, like, this is a crazy idea, you guys, but maybe we could be, you See that taken out of context. Right. And you don't remember the bigger picture of why. Why I go to that place. I mean, first of all, the whole episode is an examination of soulmates and whether that's real or very annoying. Something like, Michael Patrick is a very funny line. We'll find it. But, like, super annoying, like, torture mechanism or whatever. Something like that. Which I think is a really, really good question that I do think about a lot still. Right. But I love that she's upset because of what she's gone through on her birthday. And it's like, such kind of a big admission for her to say to us that it feels bad not to have a man who cares about you. Like, she feels embarrassed by that feeling. But it's obviously so incredibly relatable and sweet. And then we're all upset. And obviously we've missed her birthday dinner. And, you know, all of that feeds into it. But we're upset that she's upset. And that's why I say that. Which I had totally forgotten about. And it does work just so beautifully.

[Easton]

It does.

[Kristen Davis]

And also for where Charlotte's at, because she thought Trey was her soulmate, and he's really kind of. Obviously not at this point, even though she hasn't totally given up. But then she's also just said that maybe she should keep looking. And I'm like, yes, yes, you should keep looking. Thank God. Thank God. You know, this. Like, it's one of those surprising things. I don't remember all this. Right. Of the straight. Right. That. That Charlotte really had to decide, am I still gonna be hopeful? You know?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Even after this disappointment, though, it's not totally over, but you can kind of tell that it's just not. Like, it's just not working. You know? Whatever she tries doesn't work. Right. It's sad. It's sad. Trey is a little bit sad and disappointing. But it's good that Charlotte can go through that and still say, maybe he's still out there. Right. Like, that's pretty quick, too, in a really interesting way. But I think that's also. And I mean, this is obvious, but I'm gonna say it anyway, because for me, I'm reliving this. Right. I think it's because they don't have a great sex life. It's almost like she wasn't married.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Because they're not really deeply connected. Which I think is also why she can, like, go to his apartment and say, I have this. Listen, we've got to talk. And he tries to have sex with him, she's like, no, no, no. But things aren't worked out. Like, I'm so surpr her. You know what I'm saying? Like, on the one hand, she's kind of innocent and slightly immature, and he won't talk about it. Right. But on the other hand, she's trying and she's gonna stick to her guns, but then she maybe isn't. But then he, you know, finishes whatever before they can start, which is, again, just so frustrating. And she's like, yeah, I've gotta go. You know what I mean?

[Easton]

Like, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

It's kind of strong, I think.

[Easton]

Yeah. You know, Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting. I just jumped all over. But anyway, let's go to Carrie, so. Oh, my God, I totally forgotten about this whole, like, singles mailer.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And it's such a precursor of the apps. Yes, right.

[Easton]

I was thinking that, too.

[Kristen Davis]

What is it? And I do think it's definitely like that We. Last season, we had done the speed dating, which was a very real thing in New York. I mean, I remember all of our writers talking about it, and I was like, I'm definitely not going to go, but I want to hear all about it. Right.

[Easton]

It's such a fascinating way to meet somebody.

[Kristen Davis]

It's bonkers. But the good thing about that is is that at least you're in person.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So there's no pretending. Like, the apps will. Like, there won't be current pictures or whatever. Like, they're right there. And so at least you can feel a bit of a vibe. But then it's timed. So what do you actually know if they're interesting or not interesting. Right?

[Easton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And then the flyer that she gets, I mean, it's so funny. Like, how would they know that she's single? It's so funny. And then they, like, single her out. Right. Like, dear single. It's so embarrassing and weird. But I also think it's so funny how when everyone's like, we're gonna fill this out. You know, it's like when your friends try to force you to be on the apps.

[Easton]

Yes, exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

So much.

[Easton]

I'll make your profile for you.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Yep. All of it. It's right there. The precursor. Early days. Early days. But I love the conversation about. About the soulmates. I think it's so funny that Miranda thinks they don't exist. And then I also think it's so funny, of course, that, you know, Carrie thinks there's more than one, which is where I would come down. Right. And then Samantha's like, well, I Have hundreds and it's unattainable, which I think is great. And then I think it's so sweet. I did have a weird feeling when Samantha was suggesting the birthday party. I was like, I don't remember this. Which of course, now I know I don't remember it because we don't show up. But also I was like, wait, I don't think Samantha's the one who should be planning the birthday party. You know what I mean?

[Easton]

Yeah, well, because I know she's in pr.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it just seems like something's going to go awry. I don't know. I don't know. And also because I didn't remember it happening, I guess, because obviously it doesn't happen. Which one? Now we know why. But also, I was just like, this is so unusual. It seemed like a role switch in a way.

[Easton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like a caretaking Samantha. You know what I mean?

[Easton]

Yes, I get you.

[Kristen Davis]

But it was adorable how she talked her into it.

[Easton]

Yeah. You know, and I did, you know, again, not to jump ahead to the dinner too much, but like, I, I liked that. It wasn't like Samantha told everybody the wrong place or it was. They all had. They all had.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't think it was that. I did think it was that.

[Easton]

I. I remember thinking it was that too. But then Stanford does go to the wrong restaurant.

[Kristen Davis]

He gets confused, which is adorable.

[Easton]

Everyone else is somewhat affected by the traffic of the construction in different ways, but it was it. If they're not offer the construction, it probably would have happened without Stanford.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, the other thing is because she doesn't have her cell phone yet.

[Easton]

Yes. And that's, and that's a very funny moment in the voicemail. Get a cell phone.

[Kristen Davis]

A cell phone. Which. Yes. And I think pretty soon she gets that little spot sparkly Swarovski crystal cell phone that she has through the end of the show, I think is coming quite soon. But yeah, if you had had a cell phone, all of this would have been solved.

[Easton]

It's like they say, what 98 of Seinfeld plots would have been solved by cell phone. It's like one of the.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't never hear that. But that makes total sense. Yes. Oh, my God. The way life is changing is cuckoo crazy. So we're where we've got, you know, we've got Carrie. She's talked into a birthday party by Samantha. Then it is kind of funny how Samantha says, oh, should I invite Big? And she's like, no. What do you. What do you mean he's still in London. Like, she's got her whole thing, but then she's sitting in her bed waiting for the clock to hit midnight when she picks up the phone and calls. Big. Very planned in her mind. Very adorable also. And also like, that kind of thing where there has been time that's passed. So it does feel kind of fresh. Like not so emotionally heavy or whatever.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

That she could reach out to him. But then also, you do really feel like she's so not over in any way, but she's fine. But she seems happy. Ish. Right? Like, happy, like, you know what I mean? Like not suffering.

[Easton]

Yes. Yes, exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Easton]

When I was watching her wait for the clock to strike midnight, I thought she was waiting because London is like. See, I was thinking Pacific time. London's like eight hours ahead. I was like, oh, she's waiting for it to be 8am when it's like a reasonable hour. And then I'm like, oh, no, dummy. She's waiting for it to be her. Her birthday.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. Totally. And it is kind of funny because she's so honest. Like, it's my birthday because it's midnight. I mean, you've totally given your whole thing away there. But that's okay. That's okay. That's all right. But I liked that. And I, like, I thought it was very winning, you know, like, that's Carrie at her, like, kind of. I mean, I don't know if the Internet would agree, but, you know, I like that part of Carrie where she's got a plan and she's going to execute it in a cute way. I mean, I do, too. Yeah. Good. I don't know, the whole doorway memes, like, I get that if you take them out of context and chop them up of her appearing at the doorway in different outfits or whatever, that it looks very needy. But it was over time and it was fun.

[Easton]

I love all the memes that come out Sex and City. But I also think that they hurt the show sometimes. Like, also the, like, biggest movie in a Paris thing.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Easton]

Like that. I see that.

[Kristen Davis]

My God, constantly.

[Easton]

And I'm like, oh, my God. It's not

[Kristen Davis]

entertaining what people do with it. Right. Like. Like, if you can separate it from the actual show, like, the actual. What we were doing and just look at the creativity that people use with it. I like that. But it is like. Like, sometimes the. They're trying to make Carrie seem like her most narcissistic or whatever, which isn't really fair.

[Easton]

Right, Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right, right. But that's okay. That's Okay, I get it. I get it. It's a meme. It's fine. Yeah, it is what it is. Hi, everybody. Let's do our Hyundai. Hot take for the agony and the ecstasy. Episode 4 of One. This one was a toughie, but I'm gonna go with Carrie in the middle of Fifth Avenue late at night on her birthday, dropping her birthday cake into the freshly repaved pavement that she has also walked through while the guys who are the construction crew scream at her. And then she goes the wrong way, and then she goes back, and then she drops the cake. And then she tries to scoop the cake up, and her purse is open, but it doesn't spill. And her dress almost flashes the guys. And then she's trying to pick up the cake with the cardboard, and it's just so classic Sarah Jessica talent. Like, talent on talent on talent, physical talent, her vulnerability, but also being funny and so charming and funny and so real and, oh, I just love it. And it's just Sarah Jessica at her best. And Michael Patrick writing for Sarah Jessica to do her best work. So celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style. Just like Hyundai. So then we. I had fully forgotten about the fact that. So with this repaving of Fifth, Carrie walks into it with her birthday cake that she's had to buy at El Cantanore, which is a great restaurant that we all still love. And then she gets. She walks through the newly paved street, and these really mean guys are yelling at her. I mean, look, I've been yelled at in many ways by many construction guys in New York. It is a thing. But, like, they get so into it.

[Easton]

What are you doing?

[Kristen Davis]

I know. They go on and on and on, and then she goes. And they're like, no, go the other way. And then she tries. And then she drops the cake, and then she's trying to pick the cake up with the cardboard. Like, why leave the cake there? Like, it's such a mess, but it's such a. Like, Sarah Jessica's super talents are on display there. She's vulnerable. She's doing her incredible physical activity that she's just so great at. But also she's funny somehow within all of that vulnerability and upset.

[Easton]

Yes, yes. It's such a funny moment. But I was so sad for her at the same time. I was balancing those two emotions. And then when she leans over to pick the. To try and scoop the cake up, her purse is open, and I'm like, oh, no, her purse is gonna, like, empty out.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And then at one point, she has to, like, cover. Like, she's in, like, a weird squat just to, like, cut. Like, there's so many things going on.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. And the funny thing is, as an actor, you could have made that easier. But Sarah Jessica will never make it easier. She'll ask for more props. Like, she's so skilled at it, and she knows that the way to do it well is to make it hard. And she can also always match her actions, which is impressive. Right. But that watching, I was like, the bag is open, the skirt is up. The heels are. Are they sinking into the street? Like, I was so concerned on so many levels. And then I was like, leave the cake. Leave the cake. I had forgotten all of this. And I think that should be a meme. I don't know if it is, but I think that should be a meme of, like, your day's gone horribly wrong. Right. Your day has gone really horribly wrong. And your birthday cake that you have alone as you're walking down the street is now in the newly paved Fifth Avenue.

[Easton]

Before she leaves the or before she's told she has to pay for the cake, when she's sitting in the restaurant, she thinks everyone's late. She doesn't. She hasn't been there that long. Thinks everyone's late, and then they bring another cake out for somebody else.

[Kristen Davis]

Horrible.

[Easton]

That part got me. Because it's a very big cake, and they bring it to a table of two people.

[Kristen Davis]

I saw that. But there's, like, 10 people bringing the cake.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So it's like a surprise. But where are all those people gonna sit and eat? Yeah, I was confused, but it was. I think this might have happened to Michael Patrick. I feel like there's an actual story that relates to this that they used. And we'll have to ask him when he comes back.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I do think there's a real story, which is just, of course, so sad. So sad to think about. I know. Birthdays are so funny because you really, like. You know, you get built up in such ways. I mean, I'm ancient, right. So I don't really care about my birthday, but my kids really, really care. But we were supposed to have a call, and I was picking up my own birthday, and it did make me laugh. I didn't remember this episode, but I was like, yes, I'm driving to pick up my own birthday cake so that my kids won't be disappointed. I know it's kind of silly, but whatever. Whatever makes the kids happy is good. Right? Okay, so She's. I also love that the little thing she wears on her head. And then, you know that she's getting really despondent when she takes that. That little velvet. Whatever the heck you would call that off her head. Which also, I feel like it's been a while since Carrie's wearing a hat.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, I don't know how. Why they gave up on the hats, but I love to see a hat come back because, you know, it makes her happy. Right. And then she takes it off, and she's just playing with the velvet thing, you know, she's just like, oh, I'm so despondent, I can't even wear my hat. Which is sad. So then she gets home and there's 14 messages. And then we hear everyone's different version of where they are and why they didn't make it. And poor Stani is at some, you know, Mexican restaurant or something.

[Easton]

El Cantanoro, I think, is where he was really funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Really, really funny. I hadn't remembered any of, but I did remember that then Charlotte, I have a key, and I let myself in, and she's in the shower, and her mascara is, like, majorly dramatically down her face. I was like, wow, so impressive. And very sweetly, thank goodness, I come and convince her to come to the coffee shop. Thank God, right? This is the kind of friend we all need. Yes, definitely. And we get down there, and this is when I say, maybe we can be each other's soulmates. And then we could let men be these great, nice guys to have fun with. Good call, Charlotte. Thank goodness. Very deep insight on Charlotte's part. Yes, yes.

[Easton]

One of the iconic sex of the entire show, Sex and the City. That is one of those moments.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And it's so funny because I thought we were on this stoop when I said it.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't know what I thought. Like, I get the different important things mixed up sometimes, you know? And I hadn't remembered that was in this context. But. But leading up to it, I was wondering. Wait, am I about to say it? I wasn't sure, but, like, Samantha's even upset. Like, everyone's upset because Carrie's upset and because Carrie admits that it feels really bad not to have a guy who thinks she's special on her birthday, which is just kind of painful. But I want to be like, it's. It's okay, Carrie. So then we have this amazing, you know, kind of bonding situation at the coffee shop, and she's walking home in a different cape. I believe we have two capes in this episode, it's pretty exciting. Pretty exciting times. We're walking home and she looks pretty happy, which I was really happy about. Right. Like, she's to the place of like, yes, the day took twists and turns or whatever, but I'm happy, which is so great. And that's when she sees Big's car and Big's driver, Raul, smoking his cigarette. And it is adorable. And then I had forgotten the balloons come out.

[Easton]

The balloons coming out first out of the window.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. It was really, really charming. And then at the end of the show, I think we do a photo shoot with Ellen von Ernworth where we had Sarah walking across the bridge. Maybe it was for the last season. She's walking across the Brooklyn Bridge with balloons. And I took pictures of it myself, like personal pictures. And I. And I sent her one in a frame one time. Yeah. And I think they're red. And I had not remembered that there was a reason why or whatever, you know. And it's a very, very charming scene. And you know how I have mixed feelings about Big, but he was at his most charming and kind of, like, adorably, like, on the one hand, sweet that he brought champagne and he brought balloons and he would kind of know what she would need. Right. And on the other hand, she doesn't know how old he is because apparently he hasn't told her, which is interesting.

[Easton]

There was. I was looking online and some people are saying that, like, he. He references it in an earlier episode. Like, she does know. Oh, I guess he references it earlier.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't tell us.

[Easton]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't know. That's interesting. I mean, remember how we don't know his whole name either till the end, but then you don't know if she knew. We just don't say it. Right. Like, there's mysteries about it. Right. Which I think is good. I like that because this is tv. One of the things that I think about when I watch it back is, like, you know, in the year 2001, like, what was on regular television sitcoms, you know, not that there's anything wrong with them. They're hard to do. Right. But, like, Friends was on, you know, Seinfeld, I think, was done by this point.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I want to say, like,

[Easton]

Gilmore Girls had just started.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Like Everybody Loves Raymond. Like, things like that were on. Right. So this was very, very, very different. You know, Very, very different. And I think important, like, like on television, they wanted you to explain things. And I think what was nice is that our writers had the nerve, you know the strength to be like, we're not going to explain that and we're not going to explain these people's parents and we're not going to show where they came from. We're not going to talk about it. We're not going to tell you how old Big is. And, you know, so many different things.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Easton]

And that's why, that's one of the many reasons I love this show. And like, and Sopranos is the same thing. They give. They treat the audience with respect and like, the audience are intelligent people that can think about what's happening. And you don't need to be like,

[Kristen Davis]

I just spoon feeding the ham.

[Easton]

Fisted exposition just kills me in. In movies and television. Drives me crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree.

[Easton]

And. And this is just so nice.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree. But I do think too, if you think about it, I think like, yes, streaming has upended our business, but also allowed so many more shows like that to exist, you know?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Because people are gonna find their show that they like. Right. So, like, you can, like, I haven't. Pluribus seemed really upsetting to me, so I didn't continue watching it. But like, they just throw you right in.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

There's no explanation. You're just like, okay, we're in a lab, There's a pandemic. I don't know what's happening. Right. Like, I mean, yeah, I like that. That's. That's bold and brave. It was too anxiety provoking for me to get through. But that, that's me. That's on me, not on them. Right. You know what I mean? But I think that that actress is great. But I love to. To look back and I am reminded of the time so much when I'm looking at it, because New York looks so different and so charming and small in a weird way. Right. And also I technically know how many years ago it was because obviously I'm alive then and I'm alive now. Right. But on the other hand, it's timeless.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And it's timeless, I think, because we didn't do all those things, you know, because we didn't overly explain. We didn't. Like, there's still things that, like that she doesn't have a cell phone. There's things that tell. Tell us that it was the year 2001. But not overly so.

[Easton]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting. It's interesting to look at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're. We're.

[Easton]

What.

[Kristen Davis]

What were your thoughts about Carrie here when she's talking about Soulmates? You. You. That are happily married and have found your soulmate. What do you think about this conversation?

[Easton]

I'm in the camp that there are. There you can have multiple soulmates. I don't think everyone just has one. Me too, because I. I always think it's funny to think, like, isn't that crazy that there's one person that was meant for you and they went to your college, you know? Like.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely.

[Easton]

It just seems crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely.

[Easton]

But. But I do believe in. You know, when I got married, we had a friend of ours read that. I'm trying to remember the name of it. There's like a Greek story about the gods split. Man was too powerful and they split him into two, you know, like, like. And then they spend the eternity looking for your other half. So I like the idea of a soulmate. I do think you can have more than one. And I think that when you. I think it's abundantly clear to one when you meet that person, that unlocks that part of you. I mean, that's how I feel anyway. I can only speak from my own experience.

[Kristen Davis]

That is so nice. Gosh, that's interesting to think about. That's well put. I think that's really nice. And I think that's really incredible that you feel that way.

[Easton]

I'm very lucky, though.

[Kristen Davis]

You're very lucky, for sure. I mean, it's interesting because I. I know when I was younger, I. When I was younger, though, I was kind of cynical about relationships, which I know is weird because I play Charlotte. Right. But, like, I was like, I'm never getting married. I'm never doing this. I'm never doing that because, I don't know, I just felt like there was so much pressure on everybody. You know, I didn't want to, like, do that. Right. And I didn't like the idea that you would be with someone because you felt like you should. I felt like you should want to be with that person, that person should want to be with you. Not because, like, you're going to fit into some traditional convention, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But I do think. I don't know if I really believed in soulmates. I. I'm not sure that I did. Like, Like, I don't know that I've ever said, like, I met X person and they unlocked. I don't know that I've ever felt that way, which is interesting. I've definitely felt passionately, passionately in love. But, I mean, I'm pretty much unlocked. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a open, open, open person. But then you can find that person that gets you.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

In a really unique way, which is powerful.

[Easton]

Very much so.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, when they understand you. But that doesn't really mean it's going to work out, you know, which is always my thing that I come back to. But I'm really happy for you that it's working out. I'm happy for everyone else that it's working out for. And the only thing I want to say is that I hope that it, like, I do feel. And this is now from, you know, being older, like my friends who are in relationships that I admire, long term, you know, marriages and whatnot. It takes work.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, like, it might have been so magical and amazing and easy in the beginning, but, like, at a certain point, that's not going to be how it is.

[Easton]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And then, like, do you love that person and care about your relationship enough that you're going to work on it? And that has to be true for both people.

[Easton]

And. And this might be kind of out there, but. Donahue. Phil Donahue.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Easton]

And his wife wrote a book about Marlo Thomas. Thomas, yes. Who was mentioned in this episode, Wheels Within Wheels. They wrote a book about their long marriage, and they bring up the. There's like a stat that. I don't even know if this is true or not, but that you're. All of your cells in your body regenerate after seven years. You're.

[Kristen Davis]

I think that is true.

[Easton]

You're biologically completely different person.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Easton]

So, like they were saying, like, every seven years we do, like, a major check in with each other. Like, how have we changed? How have we grown?

[Kristen Davis]

That's so cool.

[Easton]

I think about that all the time.

[Kristen Davis]

That's impressive.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

See, that's amazing. That's very amazing. And I think that those kinds of things are the things that we should be holding up in culture to say, like, oh, look, this is what it take makes.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Like, you can't just coast.

[Easton]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, you have to think about, like, what am I doing here? Have I grown? Have I not grown? Could I grow more? Should I ask my partner what they think? You know, like, different things like that. And that's for men and women, everybody, Right?

[Easton]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting to think about. Anyways, enough about that. But I do think. I do think that people really do torture themselves over this idea of soul mates.

[Easton]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

That it can be a harmful ideal that you're somehow trying to live up to or whatever. I don't even know, you know, like, that something's gonna be like, you know, that's your soulmate, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah, I know. I always think about people that meet someone and they're. Everything is perfect. But then there's like, one light. Like, there's one glaring issue or something, and they're like, oh, this is. Is this person my soulmate? Or if they were, they wouldn't have this part of them.

[Kristen Davis]

But see, this issue with this is what's ever gonna be perfect.

[Easton]

Perfect.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? See, like, that's where I get hung up, because in me, and. But this is. My whole problem is, like, I. I think I can work with anything. Right? I'm like, that's okay. I can deal with that crazy thing. And I can deal with that crazy thing because the vibe is so good. No, that's a terrible idea, you guys. Terrible idea. This is why I'm single. Well, it's one of the reasons I'm single. I. I'm. I have, like, so much room for everybody's stuff. It's bad. It's bad. Don't have too much room.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, that's one thing I like about Charlotte. And I did just see something the other day on Instagram because everyone's always. Well, not everyone, but, like, people on my feed, because obviously I do this podcast. Someone's talking about how Charlotte knew what she wanted and she held onto her standards, but she wasn't afraid to try. Right. So she dated so many people.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And was like. You know, she'd get upset, like, oh, this one wants me to do this, and I don't know if I should. And then this one wants to do this. I don't know if I should. And, you know, there was all that. But then also pretty quick, she'd be like, yeah, no, I'm not gonna do that. You know what I mean? Like, pretty. Pretty quickly, without being particularly crushed. Like, I don't think that Charlotte was like, it's me. Yeah, it's me. I'm the problem. She wasn't really doing that, which I think is impressive.

[Easton]

Very much so.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But I didn't really. I don't know that I realized that at the time, like, the strength of. Of her, you know. Yeah, it's good. It's good. I like it. Looking back, it's very interesting. And then also, like, we're talking about, like, well, we'll get to the tray of it all, but, you know, the fact that she's intact, she's gotten the thing, she's gotten married. It's not going great. And is she gonna torture herself? No, it's kind of amazing. You think she'd be home just sobbing.

[Easton]

Yes. No. She's very open to being separated and potentially she's the.

[Kristen Davis]

When we go back to the city, we should take time off because he's just playing that tennis and he won't talk to her. You know, it's interesting. No, Charlotte's super fascinating. I think all of the characters are super fascinating. That's the other thing I think when I look back, especially on really meaty episodes like these two, that we start the fourth season with all the characters are fascinating.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it's really good writing.

[Easton]

It's incredible. They're so multidimensional. There's so many different parts of them that everyone can relate to.

[Kristen Davis]

This is that show on tv. Somehow we let it breathe. We don't have enough time. When you think about everything that happens in each episode and they're not that long, but there's breath in it. There's time for you to kind of be with them. It's interesting. I don't know how we did it. It's hard to do, but. Okay, let's move on from Carrie to poor Charlotte. Poor Charlotte. Oh, my gosh. She's at that party, man. She talks that woman's ear off because the person says, where's your husband? It was, made me laugh in a way, though.

[Easton]

It, it was. I, I, I love that moment. It's, yes. It's like, it, I feel bad for Charlotte, but it's so, it's so funny. And it's like, delivered so well.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Easton]

Really. And I just, I love the two women. Like, don't talk.

[Kristen Davis]

Talk to her. I know. And then poor Charlotte. But it's interesting because, like, I would be, like, really devastated if I heard someone say that. Charlotte's just kind of like, oh. And then she, you could see the wheels turning. And then she's like, oh, I need to go to Trey's. And I've got my list right. And I'm wearing this dress that I remember there being. That was what I was gonna say earlier. I'm not sure if I spit it out because I go to the party, then I go to Trey's. Then we end up having this, like, weird, you know, make out session in the hallway. Right. And there's a lot of stress about what that dress would be. And it ends up, I think it's blue. Marine is the brand. It's like this little polka dot. Polka dot. It's very Charlotte. It's navy. But there was a lot of stress, like Was it dressy enough for the party? Was it, like. It was a lot of. One of those outfits and. Cause I wear it, like, the whole episode almost, you know, till the very end. Carrie's birthday. And I think I have it hanging in my closet, which. Cause it's very wearable, you know, Though, in reality, I can't really wear polka dots because they're so Charlotte. Like, unless I want to be. Unless I'm, you know, like, at a worky kind of a thing.

[Easton]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you go to Starbucks like that, it's like, Charlotte's here.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. You would not. I would not. And they're also kind of fancy. Right. So it's not my Starbucks wear. But I do think I have that one hanging because I did really like it. But when I go to Trey's and I'm banging on the door, I didn't remember what happened. I was really hoping we were going to have some good sex.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But no.

[Easton]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

So sad.

[Easton]

It. So I think back to Kyle said, like, oh, I. You know, when they pitch me the character, it's like, oh, he's a doctor. Like, oh, you know, he tells that story, and then. Oh, and then you find out he's impotent or whatever. Like, the high and then the low. And I was thinking about this moment because you're banging on the door. He comes down the hall, he's got his robe up, and he looks great. Like, he's got abs. I'm like, oh, my God, Kyle. He's looking. And then. And then it ends with him prematurely ejaculating.

[Kristen Davis]

Sad. So incredibly sad. Right.

[Easton]

Charlotte may get you a hanky.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know. And then. And then I just look at him like, no. And there's some voiceover about how he always has good manners. It's really tragic.

[Easton]

It is.

[Kristen Davis]

And if I were Charlotte, I would be way more upset. But it's good that she's not. Right? It's good that she's just like, well, I tried it and it didn't work. Or maybe I should still try. But also, it's so cute that she's got her list, you know? Like, she's trying.

[Easton]

She's trying. I can't. We can't talk about my list if you have a boner. I think that was a. Yeah, that's

[Kristen Davis]

definitely, definitely what she said. It's like high school. But that's okay. You know what I mean? Like, it's funny in a way, like, the innocence. But then also, they just don't have the skills.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, and he doesn't really want to talk, and she's trying to say, like, but, you know, is it because we're not married and because I'm unattainable, and he's just like. I don't know. You know, he's like. He is a little frustrating.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

We're going to talk about the Friar now, which I think we're still trying to find Custis Mandalore. I really hope we find him. I love him. He's incredible. I really 100% thought that Samantha was going to seduce Friar Fuck, as she calls him, but I apparently.

[Easton]

No, no. He. He maintains his vows, which is impressive.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. And I really like this change, like, to see Samantha really going after it. You know what I'm saying? Like, shifting her game, depending on. But he hasn't really succeeded yet. He hasn't bitten yet. Right. And she changes it up, and she goes. And she takes the canned goods, and, I mean, he's just so beautiful to look at that you totally get. And I think the unobtainable thing is also part of it for her. Right. And he's got his beautiful brown Friar outfit on or whatever. Your robe, I guess. Right. It's all very, very likable. And it so interesting that he doesn't compromise at all. I liked it very much.

[Easton]

Yeah, that. That was kind of like a Mandela effect for me. I really could have swore I would if you hooked me up to a lie detector. I watched this episode a year ago. I would have been like, oh, yeah, they have sex, like, definitely.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? I know, because I just don't think we're ever used to Samantha not succeeding.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I mean? It just doesn't really happen. And also, like, Costas is just so sexy also, that you. That's part of it, I think, is that you kind of. It's, like, tangible. And I think that's her. That's Samantha's feeling, you know, also. So she thinks she's gonna succeed, and that's why she goes home and masturbates for two and a half hours or whatever she says, hysterical. But, yeah, she doesn't, which is really nuts. And I did have part of me where I was wondering, like, did we ever have an alternate ending? Like, was this always the way? I'm not sure.

[Easton]

Interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. We have to ask Michael Patrick andor Costas. Mandalore. So, Costas, if you can hear us, please, please. Come on. He's out in the world working somewhere. I don't know. We're trying to find him because he's great. And. Wait, were you telling me what is his other thing? I knew him already, but I can't remember how. But I knew him already before he was on the show, but I can't remember why or how.

[Easton]

He's in two of the Saw movies, if not three. He's at least.

[Kristen Davis]

Wait, he's not the killer.

[Easton]

Well.

[Kristen Davis]

What? I've never seen a Saw movie.

[Easton]

He is a detective in Saw four. Five, and, I believe, six.

[Kristen Davis]

He's a detective.

[Easton]

He's a detective, but the detective gets seduced by the power this killer has. Yes. I'm sorry, everyone, if I'm spoiling Saw four for you, but, wow, he's in multiple Saw movies.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't know this. This is interesting, because the.

[Easton]

The Jigsaw killer in Saw, okay, hunts down people that don't appreciate the life they've been given.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Easton]

And then he puts them in these traps, and, like, how far will you go to live? Like, you know, you have to dig a. There's a lock around you, and the key is behind your eyeball, and you have to dig your eyeball and get the key.

[Kristen Davis]

That's horrible.

[Easton]

And so Kassis plays a detective who sees it as a way to, like, extract justice on people that the system has, like, oh, this person killed a child and got away with it.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, bad guys.

[Easton]

Yeah, I'm gonna put him in a trap now.

[Kristen Davis]

I get it. I get it.

[Easton]

Yeah, it's. It's gruesome.

[Kristen Davis]

That's so interesting.

[Easton]

But I remember so vividly watching Saw and going, that's Friar.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, that's why we need to talk to Costas. Like, what was it like to play Friar and then have people talk to you? I mean, because that is a really different role on our show.

[Easton]

So different.

[Kristen Davis]

Very different.

[Easton]

He can be such a tough, brooding guy in the Saw movies, and then he's this, like, sexy, cool man of God in Insects in the City.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, he was on something. I. Because in when. During the 90s when I was trying to work, I came across so many people, right? Like, so, so, so many people. And I definitely knew Costas, and I just can't remember.

[Easton]

He was on Picket Fences was a great show. Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, but I wasn't on Picket Fences. I just. I don't know where I met him, but I met him somehow. I knew him. So nice. Super nice guy. So I'm happy that he's out there working somewhere. I need an update. Costas, please come on and give us an update. Yeah, it is pretty funny when Samantha Goes and talks to us about how she masturbated for two and a half hours or whatever. And then everyone has to discuss who they masturbate to. And the Russell Crowe moment. What did you think of that?

[Easton]

I was taking notes last night. I wrote down Russell Crowe. LOL is what I wrote down.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

I love these moments where you're like, oh, yeah. He was like one of the. They also say George Clooney. That comes up. Of course. You know, Russell Crowe is like, oh, he's.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Easton]

Was this. Had Gladiator come out?

[Kristen Davis]

I think it's Gladiator time. We should check. When did Gladiator. The first Gladiator.

[Easton]

I feel like it was 2000, maybe.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, because, yeah, this is 2001. It would have made sense. We used to see a lot of Russell Crowe, too, in the. In the awards and whatnot. One time I was on a talk show when he was there. It might have been Conan. He was very nice to us. His ex wife loved the show, so he was always very complimentary. And there's other stories, but I really shouldn't tell, but. Very nice. Very, very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Very interesting man. Very interesting man.

[Easton]

Very interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Hannah doesn't have anything to say. When did gladiator come out? 2,000. You were right. Very good. Very good, Easton.

[Easton]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Easton knows everything, you guys. I do remember that. Some discussion about who we should say.

[Easton]

Really?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I think there was another time where we had to say somebody and there was a discussion also to make sure that we were all cool and we were kind of all putting in our two cents or whatever, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting, though, because Charlotte doesn't say anything about Russell Crowe.

[Easton]

No, she. She has one person in mind.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Easton]

I really. I just want to point out really quick. I love the sweater you're wearing at that scene at that lunch. It's like a pink.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, it's bright. Yeah. What the heck was it?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You're so funny. I told you I wore a sweater for you today because I knew I was talking to you. Because I do think of you when I pick my sweaters. I was wondering to myself, what the heck am I wearing? It is the most thickest, like pink chunk of wool or whatever. Cashmere. I don't know what it is. I don't own it. I was wondering because usually Pat would put me in, like, super tight things, you know, But I think that was a coffee shop. And sometimes if you have a coffee shop and you don't have a scene before it or right after it, that's the only time you'll wear it. So it's more about the pop of color in the mix because you have to think about how everyone's outfits go together, which is a whole situation, obviously. And other people might have scenes before or after. Right. So if I was only at the coffee shop, then it would only matter that I had a bright color on. But to me, you know what I was thinking when I saw it? First I was thinking, what the heck am I wearing? Then I was like, that's very, very chunky. Then I thought to myself, this is confusing because is that pink? A pink that a winter would wear? Because there's a lot of debate in my own head and also on Instagram about I'm a winter or like an autumn. I want to say I'm very confused. Very confused. And when I get dressed to come on the podcast, I'm like, I don't know what color to wear. Because, see, I used to think I was a winter. Like, my whole life I thought I was a winter and I could wear solid white. But then they're telling me, no, no, don't wear solid white. But then I'm supposed to wear not solid white. But I don't think it looks great. What do you think? These are the pressing questions.

[Easton]

It's so I'm really. I mean, the whole winter, autumn, summer thing, it's, It's. It is challenging, isn't it? I. I think this pink looked great on you.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Easton]

The sweater you have on also looks great on you.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm not washed out.

[Easton]

No, no, not at all. I think if you've been wearing like. Like I'm wearing a white.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And it looks good. You might be a winter or maybe in autumn. I don't know.

[Easton]

There are people that do these analysis.

[Kristen Davis]

That's their job.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

We should get you to one of those people.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, they have done a thing on me. This is why I'm confused. Right. They have done a little video. I saved it so that I could reference it. Do you know what I mean? Pat Field. I don't think that Pat and Molly ascribe to this.

[Easton]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

And I talked to my stylist, Samantha McMillan, also, and she said that she thinks it's interesting, but that sometimes they're wrong, which I also do agree with, because sometimes they'll do people, like from an award show, and they'll have what they wore, and then they'll color it a different color that they think would be better for them, and they'll be like, see, isn't that better? And you're like, no, it's not better. Like, no. Right. Like, they don't generally like black. Only winters should wear black. And I, I really think I'm a winter. And if you are going to tell me that I cannot wear black, I may ignore you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't take our black from us. Like, it's just wrong, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, it's upsetting. But when we get into the other colors, I am open. Right. So, like sometimes with the podcast, I try different colors, but because we have our beautiful lights on us and everything, I'm not sure that it' the best way to tell. I've been trying some fall colors lately because this one woman did like, oh, Kristen Davis. And they said Kristen Davis can pull off a lot of colors and she can dip into winter. I don't know what she said, but she basically said that I should not wear silver and I should not wear black and I should not wear white. I was just like, what? Silver?

[Easton]

I guess I get black looks so good on you, though.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you so much.

[Easton]

Especially thinking back to. So there's so many great Charlotte black dress moments.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know. But this is the other thing that I will say and then we can get off this topic. So I'm not sure if people care about this or not, but it does, it does. I The, my problem is that once it gets in your head, then when you look at things you're like, oh, no, is this my color or not? Like, it's stressful. Right?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Whereas you would just normally just pick what you felt like wearing. You know? And I do have many colors. Like in terms of the sweaters to wear to the podcast, I've got how many a sweater. Because I'm always cold. Right. So it's really like a conundrum. But basically some of those black dresses that I have are very open necked. Right. So it's not right up by my face and I might be tan because we usually film all summer. And even though obviously you're supposed to wear your sunscreen and not get tan, I would eventually get tan. And I don't know that that's the best way to judge right now. To me, I love black and I'm always going to wear black. I don't really, really care who tells me not to. Right. My bigger question is like, white off white. I don't know. Right. And then like the other like dusty colors or no. Or the bright pink like, you're saying you like this bright pink, right? It's interesting. I don't know, but I also. I'm just so curious if anyone wants to tell me if this makes it into our podcast. Do you guys believe in the color seasons? What do you think? Please let me know, because I'm super curious. All right, let's talk about Miranda. Oh, Miranda's just adorable. Just adorable. She kind of doesn't have, like, a pressing, pressing storyline here, but yet I really loved it because she's at the party where we're all single, and she starts telling jokes. Not that unlike what Charlotte does, though, I guess. Charlotte's not even trying to be funny. She's just rambling. Right? But Miranda tries to tell jokes, and Carrie's like, oh. And then they go out on the street, and Carrie's like, what was that? And she says, well, I'm just trying to avoid the pity party. And then Carrie calls her Shecky, which I don't know if people know that this, like, a Sheky Green was like, a vaudeville comedian, Right. Probably a reference people aren't going to get. But she calls her Shecky, which is adorable. And then later on, Miranda runs into this other lady on the street who, you know, also just so blatantly like, are you dating anyone? And, I mean, it seems funny when you see it in the show, but people are like, this. This.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it's kind of unfair in a way. You know, it's also like when people go, like, well, what do you do? You know, Like. Like, the other day, I took gemma somewhere. She's 14 years old, but she doesn't. She looks older. Right. And some stranger was like, you know, what do you want to study in college? And she was like. And then she was like, marine biology, which was so cute. But, you know, that pressure of, like, having to explain yourself on the spot and, like, these kind of big questions, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah. I always was, because that's the way I see in TV a lot. Like, oh, are you seeing anybody? And, like, I. I've never once asked someone that because I feel like it's very.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree.

[Easton]

Personal.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree.

[Easton]

Something. This is embarrassing. But something I learned I should not be doing because it went poorly for me was I was hanging out with a friend I hadn't seen in a long time.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

And he had brought his girlfriend. They've been dating for about, I think, a year, Right? We're hanging out. There's the three of us. And then I go, so do I hear wedding bells? No, I Thought it would be a fun, cute thing. And it went.

[Kristen Davis]

You're so funny.

[Easton]

It went so poorly. And it got her. She. I. I could tell immediately this is a topic of contention between them. And he was like, not quite yet. You know, we're just kind of awful getting. You know, just figuring. And I was like, oh, man. And I told my wife that. And she's like, you should not say that.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no, no. It's also just like, don't ask people when they're having children.

[Easton]

Yes, exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Which is what happens in the show, which I thought was so great. So the woman who asked Miranda, well, are you dating anyone? Miranda says, well, what about you and Joe or whatever his name is? You've been married for what? And she goes, oh, five years. I'm sure you're gonna. Excuse me. I'm sure you're gonna ask me where the children are. And then Miranda has this moment of, like, oh, everyone's got their thing. And I'm gonna laugh because I'm gonna be kind. Which is so nice, because everyone's got their insecurities about what your expectations are. And they're just trying to get in front of that and, like, do a song and dance, if that's what they've got to do. You know what I mean? Because it's just a lot of pressure to have to explain yourself all the time.

[Easton]

Yes, it is. The part where Carrie, when she and Carrie are on the street, and Carrie's like, so, what was that about? I got a. I thought that was weird of Carrie to react that way.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, really?

[Easton]

Because I. During that moment when Miranda's telling. She was so funny, right? And so charming. And I was like, oh, my God, I want to be in this conversation. I want to be at this party, definitely.

[Kristen Davis]

And we do all kind of do that a fair amount. I did think that as well. But I also did think about the fact that Miranda is sometimes just, like, painfully honest, right? Like, she doesn't always care about other people's feelings. And that's what I thought was different in a way. Because, like, if you think about how Miranda is with just the friends is different than how Miranda is with, like, strangers, right? Or not that the people at the party were strangers, but, like, they're not the girls, right? So, like, she's one way with us where she just tells her things. Or. Or, like, when. When we're all talking about the soul mates and she's just sitting there, you know, like, you just have to look at her face. You don't even have to hear her say anything, you know what she's gonna say. She. She's just like, ah. You know, and she. Because she's freely just gonna say her truth. Right. So I think that's what it partly is. But I do know what you're saying in that, like, Carrie does clock it in kind of a big way.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But I think that's really Miranda's only storyline. So that's why that's happening. Right.

[Easton]

That makes sense.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right. Because I did, I did kind of go like, what's going on here? But I also think that I think that important thing. And of course this is because of my own singleness. Right. It's so amazing what we're saying about being single and the expectations that you're not going to be single and the pressure that everyone, everywhere puts on everyone because of society's expectations. Right. And this is a million hundred years ago. And I do think, I don't know for sure, if Evie was here, we'd ask her. I do think that there's less pressure now. Like someone was telling me, oh, Mary Beth. Remember when Mary Beth came on, she was like, I keep telling everyone about how I want a boyfriend and they keep telling me I'm crazy. I was like, good for them. And she was like, no, but I want a boyfriend. Like, for the young people now, at least some of them, the expectation is that you won't be doing that. Right. That you're going to be out and with your friends and having fun and pursuing whatever you're pursuing in your job or whatever. I guess.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Which is also interesting. And then there's the whole, like, being embarrassed to have a boyfriend thing that went on this past past year, which was super fascinating. Like, that it's. A woman was on at least on social media. Like, it was definitely a social media centered conversation. Right. Like if you, if you were showcasing the boyfriend, that. That was kind of almost like a lesser than position.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I mean? Like giving away your power, I guess.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Super, super interesting.

[Easton]

Very much so.

[Kristen Davis]

But I do feel in my own life, and of course, this could just be because I'm so used to this for like, like ever. Right. I do feel like the assumption is why, like, why are they single? Like, what is going on? That they would be single. Right. Like, there's a weird question mark over your head if you're single, which is so stressful.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't like it.

[Easton]

Me either.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I don't like it.

[Easton]

I did, like this moment with the. This other person who starts talking about the insecurities about not having children? Because my wife, like, we have decided we're not gonna have children, my wife and I.

[Kristen Davis]

And do you tell people this? Like, if you're at a dinner party or something?

[Easton]

Do you talk about it if they ask us? Yeah. Like, we don't hide it. But then it also is. It's. It's. It's awkward because, you know, do people

[Kristen Davis]

try to convince you otherwise?

[Easton]

They do.

[Kristen Davis]

Yep.

[Easton]

They do. And keeps saying, like, oh, you'll. You would change your mind after it happens.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Easton]

And, you know, and then it gets.

[Kristen Davis]

That doesn't make sense.

[Easton]

No, it's.

[Kristen Davis]

That's not the way we should be going about this.

[Easton]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

You should have your total freedom not to be having children. I think it's very, very respectable sort of saying, like. Like, more people in some ways should be choosing this.

[Easton]

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of where I'm at. And. And it's hard to. Because I also don't drink. And I kind of run into this, too when I talk about that. Like, if people ask you about that and you say, oh, I'm not gonna have kids, or I'm not. I don't drink, then they. Sometimes they interpret that as like, oh, well, you're not gonna like me because I have children, or. Or I drink.

[Kristen Davis]

Sure, sure, they might. That's true.

[Easton]

And so it's. It's. It's a really awkward thing sometimes, but it's like everyone's. Everyone's living their own life, 100%, you

[Kristen Davis]

know, but also, I mean, this is what's so interesting, too, about people, right? Like, like that you. You know, if you choose something slightly different, right? Like, just slightly different. Like, it's not that. Like, there's a lot of people who don't drink.

[Easton]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, you realize this as you go through life not drinking, Right. But it's not the norm. Norm, you know, so, like, if you're in an event or whatever, like, most people are there drinking, you know, that's just how it is. That's what they do.

[Easton]

They.

[Kristen Davis]

That's what they like to do. More power to them. Yeah, right. That's just not me. And that's not you. But then. So that. So one thing's kind of interesting, right? Like, they might go like, oh, that's interesting. Like, you can tell on their face how they are going to feel. But then if they hear two, they're just like, oh, what do you mean? Like, oh, now for me, I go, that's super doubly. Interesting. Let's hear about this. Or maybe let's just think that's an interesting guy. Because then, like, do you have to explain yourself? Because that's also awkward, right? Like, having to go into it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, awkward. Like you shouldn't have to do that. But then also I think that's really interesting. And I think it's interesting also that people wouldn't automatically think, well, that's an interesting person. Right?

[Easton]

I'm with you 100%.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? It is. I think that social norms are fascinating and I think that they change very slowly, right? So, like, we might hope that they're changing or think maybe because of social media that they're changing, but they really just change really, really, really slowly. But like, you remember when we were talking to Jenny Bix and she was saying when she wrote the episode about Miranda buying her apartment, that that was based on Jenny's story. And I was saying, look, I've gone through this myself where, like, you're just having to check boxes. Like, even with my, my kids who are in school, you know, I'm a single parent, right? All the school forms, her two parents. And they get very upset if both people don't sign because they don't want a divorced couple, for instance, to somehow leave out the other divorced person. Right? But you have to, like, jump through hoops if you're a single parent to be like, no, no, I am the only responsible person. Like, it's. It's just so not the default, right? Anything that's not the default is like, ah, it's a whole drama. And they don't ever think about you because you're the. Nor not the norm, right? You're the exception to the norm. But it's very interesting and somewhat, you know, annoying. But then like with Jenny talking about the single women buying houses now, that's the single biggest group of house buyers, single women. So that's 25 years, but yay. Y, right? It took 25 years, but yay. And then also, I think the marriage, you know, like when we did that Time magazine cover, which would have been like 2001 or two or something like that, maybe three or four, I don't know. But early 2000s, who. Who needs a husband? That was like, shocking, right? That's why they put it on the COVID right? But now, you know, the rates of, first of all, divorced women who don't remarry, which I love so much. Super interesting. But then also just people waiting to get married, you know, women not marrying like, there's many, many options now that are much more prevalently happening. Which is great, because everyone should get to choose.

[Easton]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

We should take the pressure off.

[Easton]

We've come a long way. We still have a lot.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Easton]

More track ahead of us. But I'm. Yeah. When you think about in the 25 years, how we look at those things, it's. It's incredible.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It is incredible. It is interesting because sometimes you feel like if you're in one of those moments, like, where you're having to fill out the forms or when someone's like, what do you mean? You don't have children? Like, these people really do have their own. Like, it's their. It says more about them.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Than it is about you. Right. But, like, they get panicked when confronted, you know what I mean? With something different. Right. And it says, like, in their mind, you can see, like, what does this say about my choices?

[Easton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But when you're in those moments, you do feel like nothing's ever changing. You're like, oh, my God. It's exhausting. But I do think things are changing slowly. Right?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. It is interesting, though. But I love. I love. That's what I love. I love when it's rare that all characters in the show are single. And I do love it. I mean, it makes sense that it doesn't last forever, because also, that would be weird also. Right. And you do want people to try things out. But I love that we start this season with everyone, you know, pretty much single. I mean, Charlotte's still not totally unhooked from Trey, and obviously Carrie emotionally is not unhooked from Big, but Miranda seems to not even be remotely thinking about Steve, which is interesting because we know it's gonna happen. And of course, Samantha's free because that's how she always is. But I liked it. I liked it. And it made me think, like, this. This is why the show is so unique, you know, and that it can talk about this stuff. Like, we were the. Like, when Carrie says to Miranda, we were the only people in there who were single. I mean. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting.

[Easton]

I just want to shout out Yule Vasquez. He plays the agent that Samantha is talking to at the party.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

And he's, like, just kind of being, like, typical. Like, you know, like, 90s. Like, agent.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

So he and Sarah Jessica were in a show together. I know.

[Kristen Davis]

He looked familiar.

[Easton]

He was called Divorce.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a divorce.

[Easton]

Yes, he was.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my gosh.

[Easton]

I recognize him from Seinfeld.

[Kristen Davis]

No way.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Who did he play on? Seinfeld.

[Easton]

He. He shows up, like, in three or four episodes. But there's. There's these two characters that are. They're these very fabulous gay men. But they're. They're. They're described as street toughs. Like, they're, like, kind of like. Like, they. There's a part where Kramer is supposed to be watching Elaine's armoire on the street. And they.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah. Remember this?

[Easton]

Yeah. And then they also. They do the AIDS walk and Kramer won't wear the ribbon. Like, this guy won't wear the ribbon, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Easton]

He was one of those guys.

[Kristen Davis]

So that's really funny. I knew he looked so familiar, but I couldn't. I couldn't think of who he was. That's really interesting.

[Easton]

Great eyebrows.

[Kristen Davis]

I really. Definitely, definitely. I also thought, like, has he been on the show before? That was what went through my head because he looks so familiar. That's interesting. Also, I was like, oh, my God, I'm so scared. Like that. That kind of aggressive agent. I'm just like, oh, Lord. Oh, Lord, no. Terrify Lord, no. I also thought he was going to be a finance bro, but no, he was an agent. He was a TV agent. I fucking love it. That guy, right? That was funny. That was really funny. Yeah. Sometimes when we have our little party scenes, there are people that. I'm like, I know that person. I know that person. I don't know how I know them, you know?

[Easton]

Yeah. It's a great showcase for the character actors to come on and do some stuff.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely. And also, sometimes there are people that we just know from the peripheral world of New York, which is fun. All right. The agony and the ecstasy. I feel like there's things we missed. But wait, do we. Do. We did fully discuss the end scene. So basically, remind me how it ends with Big. So he's there. He's likable. He's come to deliver her birthday balloons and champagne. They have a very sweet time. But then she just gets out of the car, right?

[Easton]

Yes. And that is something I love about this, is that he doesn't have. He's not like, come on, Carrie, let's go out. Let's go out dancing or. No, no, he's just coming by to celebrate her birthday. Give her champagne, give her balloons and then be gone. All he wants to do is celebrate

[Kristen Davis]

her, which is nice.

[Easton]

No expectations for her.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

And I just think after the night she's had.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

Such a great little moment.

[Kristen Davis]

And also, we haven't seen him in a while. Right. Like, I can't remember when we last saw him. It was a while. Yeah. Is it when they fell in the. In the. In the. In the pond, in the park?

[Easton]

I think so.

[Kristen Davis]

I think so, too. Oh, that's good. That's very good. That's very good. Because, yeah, he's going to move to London and all right. At that time. But I also love when he asks her in the car, did you have a good day? And she says, yes, that was so great. So I was like, see, that's maturity. No one ever talks about Carrie's maturity, but look, there's a mature moment. You know, she had a great day because she went through all the different things, and then she ended up with her friends, and then she was content walking down the street. And then here he was, a surprise. Just like it should be, you know, exactly. Like just a cherry on top. It was interesting, though, because in the sound, you know, voiceover, doesn't she say something about, like, calling back to Charlotte, saying, then they can just be nice guys that we have fun with?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And I'm like, well, that's not a good description of Big, but okay. I mean, he was nice in that car scene, but you know what I mean? That's not. I wouldn't think of him in that category. But that's okay. That's okay. That's me. Not nitpicking, but I did think, like, just as a beginning of a season, how incredible. Like Michael Patrick King. Oh, my God.

[Easton]

It's a grand slam right out of the gates.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Easton]

Season four, it's.

[Kristen Davis]

And I tried to figure out if this is when he wins his first individual Emmy, but I don't think it is. But I do think I need to figure out better because we win our Emmy for the show in September of 2001 because it was the Emmys that we called the semi Emmys because they didn't happen on time because we had declared war in Iraq.

[Easton]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

We felt like that would be weird to have the award show. And then when we had it, only Kim and I are there to get it. So it's just Kim and I holding the Emmy together. No one else is there because we. I think she was living in la. I think she was living in la. So both. Both she and I are there. I don't know if Michael Patrick's there. He's not in the pictures with us for some reason, which would imply he wasn't there. But if we wanted to, that would mean we did win for season three, which aired in 2000, because there's always a little delay. You know what I mean? Like you qualify the season before. Right. But amazing that this is the season that we come on with in the season that we're going to win. And I also think in my mind that's why season three and season four are mashed together because I also think we made so many. And I think that this is when the show in general, it was almost a year round job because we had the Golden Globes and the winner. We had this, we had that. There was this event. There was that event. I mean, maybe it really wasn't. But in my mind, and I think I might have, maybe this is when I went to Canada and worked with Rob Lowe. I can't remember. But like you would do things in between. Right. But I can't remember what it would have would have been like you were trying to get it little jobs in between that you would, you know, could do, make extra money or whatever and, you know, hopefully have some fun. But then you just had like, you know, the Golden Globes or like there were just big things that you were just living the whole year.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Based on.

[Easton]

There's always something going on.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Which was so much fun and so great. So, so, so great. But I think that's why like the whole like season three, season four, in my mind are one. You know, there's not really a break, but a glorious season. A very long and glorious season. But quite amazing to look back and realize that this is Michael Patrick really coming into to his own in terms of like directing, writing, both of them. It's pretty major. And he's so incredibly talented that he can do that and do it well.

[Easton]

I mean, he's just, he's one of the brilliant minds of television. It's so sweet.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it. I know, I know, I know, I know. I can't wait for the comeback.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's going to be super interesting also. We got to get him back on the pod. We got to get him back over here. We have many questions. We're going to write them down and try to remember them all. All right. Thank you, Easton.

[Easton]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Kristen, I'm not even going to ask you if you're Charlotte because we've asked you.

[Easton]

Oh, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You should just come up with a surprise answer for us one time.

[Easton]

No, I'm not.

[Kristen Davis]

You're adorable. Thank you for being with us. You always have such good insights.

[Easton]

It's so fun.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm glad. Yay. Yay. Yay. Thank you everybody for joining us on Are youe with Charlotte? This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.