Meghan Trainor! Meghan Trainor reveals how she IS a Charlotte... (S4 E6 "Baby, Talk Is Cheap")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte? – Meghan Trainor Reveals How She IS a Charlotte

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte?
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Meghan Trainor
Episode: S4 E6 "Baby, Talk Is Cheap"
Date: April 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and earnest episode, Kristin Davis (Charlotte York on Sex and the City) sits down with singer-songwriter Meghan Trainor to discuss the enduring magic of the series, motherhood, relationships, the complexities of balancing a public persona, and the ways in which Meghan embodies true Charlotte energy. Touching on both the rewatch of Sex and the City episode "Baby, Talk Is Cheap," and honest, funny insights on modern womanhood, the conversation is heartfelt, relatable, and sparkling with optimism and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rewatching Sex and the City and the Timelessness of Relationships

• Reuniting with the Show: Kristin expresses her joy at returning to the show:

  "I was traveling a bit and I was out not doing the podcast, thus not rewatching. And then I this morning watched two episodes and I was like, oh, it feels so good to be with us." (03:29)

• Technology Through the Decades: Both women laugh at Carrie's first email scene:

  "I was cracking up. I was like, so far, I don't even like emails." – Meghan (04:10)
  They note how, while technology has changed, the anxieties about reaching out and being vulnerable in relationships remain the same.
  "All the technology, it changes, yet the relationship issues stay the same to where it's completely relatable..." – Kristin (04:22)

2. Meghan Trainor IS a Charlotte — Owning Her Identity

• Meghan claims the Charlotte label wholeheartedly:

  "I am Charlotte, if you want to know. It's me. It's me, by the way." (05:22)

• She describes herself as:

  "You're very together, riddled with anxiety. Are you so like empath? And I'm like, I'll take on everyone else's stuff. It's fine. And I want to be really cool, but I'm just trying. And I'm just quirky but like sometimes want to be fierce..." (05:33)

• Meghan relates to Charlotte's longing for family, tradition, and her structured, sometimes anxious approach to life.

3. Fantasies, Reality, and Modern Motherhood

• Meghan talks about her real life as a mom of three young kids and how that contrasts with the “Samantha” side of herself she sometimes channels in her music:

  "I'm in the with my husband right now. We have five, two and a two month year old. Unbelievable. So our life isn't sexy at all... we're not Samantha in the bedroom right now, you know?" (06:12)

• She’s open about marriage counseling and the realities of tiredness and changing intimacy:

  "Because when you don't know how common and normal it is because not a lot of people talk about it, you're like, are we broken? And you're like, oh, no, we're just sleepy." (06:37)

4. The Pressure on Women in Music and the Value of Grounding

• Kristin observes the difference between acting and pop music, noting it's even more challenging for women in music with “the pressure to be, like, hypersexual and diva and all of these things.” (07:57)
• Meghan describes her dual roles:

  "I feel like Hannah Montana a lot, where I get to be mama at home and, like, very humbled by my children. And then I get to go on stage and be full diva pop star." (08:16)

• Both discuss wanting to protect their children from explicit content in music and video culture, and the difficulty of controlling this in today’s media landscape.

  "Culturally it's hard that things have gotten so kind of escalated, you know, in music especially, I feel like, because you can keep the R rated movies from them pretty easily... but the music, I don't feel like it's just everywhere." – Kristin (10:31)

5. Navigating Public Criticism and Social Media Negativity

• Meghan and Kristin bond over the challenge of being public figures, whether in magazine headlines or today's relentless online commentary.
• Meghan on online hate:

  "Now, comment sections are so mean. Now." (12:00)
  "But I also feel for those girls who are human beings that I can text and be like, well, this sucks." (14:23)

• Kristin gives advice:

  "Don't look. You don't go anywhere. Comment section." (12:04)

• Both agree the scale and immediacy of negativity have grown:

  "Now. It can really, like the trend can be like a wave, right? Yes. Where you actually didn't do anything. It's just how it's getting reported." – Kristin (15:01)

6. Burnout, Creative Lives, and Doing It All

• Meghan discusses juggling career highs with the desire and choice to have children:

  "After baby number one, I, like, had a hit with Made You Look...So I'm like, oh, no. I finally have momentum again. Like, do I really want another baby right now? While I'm killing it. And my team was so supportive. They're the best. And they were like, don't think. Just answer. You want another baby? And I was like, yep. And they're like, that's it, then. Do it." (29:31)

• They talk about the myth of “having it all,” and the honest emotional work that goes with balancing family and a public career.

  "I literally said the other day, crying to my husband. I was like, but I thought I was doing it all. I thought I am doing it." – Meghan (30:21)

7. Inside "Baby, Talk Is Cheap" – Plot, Production, and Relatable Moments

• Kristin shares behind-the-scenes insight:

  "This episode is called Baby Talk is Cheap. And it is directed by Michael Spiller, who had been our dp and he had wanted to direct..." (31:43)
  "Jenny and Cindy are, like, key to the whole picture. And they have so many funny stories. Their stories were a lot of what our stories were based on, not our stories. ...Much easier to play other people's stories, you know?" (31:57)

On Aiden & Carrie’s Relationship:

• Both gush about the chemistry and emotional authenticity:

  "And this is where she flies to him, and it's like a magic scene. It was good." – Meghan (32:47)
  "But he's also, like, super emotional, which I love...You don't see especially, like, in that time, I don't know, a lot of tough guys being like, you broke my heart." (32:54)

• Kristin admits her perspective has shifted:

  "I used to be kind of big team big, because Charlotte was team big. And I didn't really think about it separately from Charlotte. And then when I watch it back, like, oh, no...Aiden is dreamy." (33:16–33:43)

On Motherhood and Generational Shifts:

• Meghan identifies with being the “girl with three kids” in her friend group and the complex reactions that brings:

  "But I'm like, in heaven and chaos. And of course I have a lot of my friends going, maybe we're gonna wait. Even my siblings. ...My kids need friends, like, make babies. And they're like, it's interesting." (28:21–28:36)

• Meghan shares the deep intuition she had about wanting kids young:

  "I was dating my husband and we were walking by diapers at a store, and I started crying and I was like, I know it's too soon...but I feel like I'm supposed to be buying these diapers right now..." (28:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being a Charlotte:

  "I am Charlotte, if you want to know. It's me. It's me, by the way." – Meghan (05:22)

• Describing Modern Life:

  "I'm wiping boogers and butts all day. So, like, I guess I want my music to be the diva girl. I feel like Hannah Montana a lot, where I get to be mama at home and, like, very humbled by my children." – Meghan (08:16)

• On dealing with negativity:

  "My mom has me on Google alerts, right?" – Meghan (12:41)
  "I was like, mom, if I stop, you have to stop with me. She's like, well, just in case. And I'm like, just in case what? Right?" (12:47)

• Perspective on relationships:

  "The chemistry. And this is where she flies to him, and it's like a magic scene. It was good." – Meghan (32:47)

• On creative life as a parent:

  "I feel like being a parent is so creative...You have to be so creative." – Kristin (30:02)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:07 – Conversation with Meghan Trainor begins; discussing the warmth of returning to Sex and the City
• 04:10–04:55 – Email scene, then-and-now technology, and how relationship patterns persist
• 05:22–06:05 – Meghan decisively claims Charlotte as her SATC counterpart
• 06:12–06:52 – Meghan on motherhood, marriage counseling, and fantasizing about a “Samantha phase”
• 07:57–09:45 – Being a mom in pop music; industry pressures and family boundaries
• 11:10–13:18 – Public judgment, comment section culture, and comparisons to the old tabloid days
• 15:01–16:53 – The “wave” of negative press, effects of social media, algorithm tips
• 28:41–29:12 – Meghan’s deeply felt longing for children and societal pressures
• 29:31–31:02 – Tough choices balancing career momentum and motherhood
• 31:43–37:31 – Deep-dive into episode production SHIP names, writing, and Aiden & Carrie's storyline

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Conclusion & Tone

With candid self-examination, warmth, and plenty of laughter, Kristin and Meghan dig into what it means to be a Charlotte—ambitious, sometimes anxious, but always leading with heart. They touch on parenting, public scrutiny, and the enduring relatability of Sex and the City, making connections between “then” and “now.” Their conversation feels like the supportive, funny, and occasionally vulnerable conversation you’d want to have with friends over coffee.

Stay tuned: Their conversation wraps with a promise of a Part Two.

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[Meghan Trainor]

phase out of my skin.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Meghan Trainor]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Meghan Trainor]

I'm so excited.

[Kristin Davis]

Before we started rolling, which. Really. My bad. Okay. Because it's a podcast and we're supposed to just record everything we say. But we were saying that she said to me, I feel like I've known you my whole life. And I said, aw. And then I said, it's such a nice feeling when you rewatch the show. Because I was traveling a bit and I was out not doing the podcast, thus not rewatching. And then I this morning watched two episodes and I was like, oh, it feels so good to be with us.

[Meghan Trainor]

It feels like you're back with your friends. Right. Which I haven't had. Like, I've never had. Like, it's us four girls, like, friendship groups like that in a long time.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, me too.

[Meghan Trainor]

So you guys are my friends. Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's really just such a gift. It's such a gift to be a part of something like that. And because isn't this the episode where we. She. She does her first email. Carrie does her first email.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, were you dying watching that?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. I was cracking up. I was like, so far, I don't even like emails.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's so crazy.

[Meghan Trainor]

I am not a fan.

[Kristin Davis]

Think about, like, the timelessness of the stories. Right?

[Meghan Trainor]

Like, we know that feeling with text messages.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Like, every. Like, all the technology, it changes, yet the relationship issues stay the same to where it's completely relatable. Watching the episode, even for me, and I was part of it 80 million 100 years ago, but yet I'm reliving it again with all different thoughts in my head based on life, like, in the last decade.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. And how he doesn't even, like, notice that he even got an email. Or he's like, oh, I think I trashed him. No idea. I know. It's so funny. That's like, us, see, Seeing if it's on red or not. Like, seeing if they read it or not. Like, did you see me pour my heart out to you or not?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's so adorable, but also makes you think about like time and the changes in society. So many changes. Things are so different in some ways, but yet the basic issues are still the same.

[Meghan Trainor]

Exactly. Relationships.

[Kristin Davis]

It's super fascinating. Relationships.

[Meghan Trainor]

Babies.

[Kristin Davis]

Charlotte's got this whole plan. The baby.

[Meghan Trainor]

She wanted a baby.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it's sad.

[Meghan Trainor]

I am Charlotte, if you want to know. It's me. It's me, by the way.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, look, you're dressed so you're like a modern, beautiful Charlotte right now.

[Meghan Trainor]

You're very together, riddled with anxiety. Are you so like empath? And I'm like, I'll take on everyone else's stuff. It's fine. And I want to be really cool, but I'm just trying. And I'm just quirky but like sometimes want to be fierce and stuff. Like I feel.

[Kristin Davis]

I love it. I love it all. I love it all.

[Meghan Trainor]

I mean to her the most, for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, the whole time?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah, the whole time.

[Kristin Davis]

Did you ever have doubts, like maybe I'm Carrie or maybe I'm.

[Meghan Trainor]

No, Carrie's too cool for me. But also she makes reckless choices that I just. I'm like, I'm smarter than that. Like interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting.

[Meghan Trainor]

I wish I. I write a lot of songs where I am Samantha, but I'm not in real life. But that's like a dream of mine. Like a fantasy.

[Kristin Davis]

Like you channel it.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah, I want to channel that. Like some. I'm in the the. I'm in the with my husband right now. We have five, two and a two month year old. Unbelievable. So our life isn't sexy at all.

[Kristin Davis]

I understand.

[Meghan Trainor]

So we're not like. We're not Samantha in the bedroom right now, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Of course. And that's okay. That's okay.

[Meghan Trainor]

I've learned in marriage counseling that that's so normal.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Meghan Trainor]

Because when you don't know how common and normal it is because not a lot of people talk about it, you're like, are we broken? And you're like, oh, no, we're just sleepy. We're genuinely sleepy. So of course we've like put more effort into that. Know I also fantasize one day when they're older that like me and my husband will get to a Samantha phase.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's fantastic.

[Meghan Trainor]

I can't wait for that. It's gonna be great.

[Kristin Davis]

Everyone needs that, I think. And that's why she's such a great character. Because she's so unapologetically, you know, I love sex. I want sex. I'm not gonna get too attached. We have Just.

[Meghan Trainor]

And she's like, it's for me.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Which is so great. Which is so great. And I think if you. It's interesting in terms of Samantha to think about, you know, are there other characters since then and kind of not.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah, no. Like, honestly. Right. Isn't that crazy?

[Kristin Davis]

Which is weird.

[Meghan Trainor]

Even, like, my boob job I just got after having my babies.

[Kristin Davis]

I. Congratulations. Houston goes.

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, I got a lift and a small implant in there so they could be round. And even for the first time in my life. Wow. But I. I always made sure I told everyone that this was not for my husband. This was for me. For me to feel hotter. That's in my own skin. And it did. I can wear a bra and not duct tape myself to my shoulders.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Meghan Trainor]

That makes me dance better and feel more confident. And, I mean, also, you perform, and

[Kristin Davis]

you're in a very intense business. I mean, sometimes I worry and I don't know, because I'm from the outside. Like, as much as acting is similar, it's very different from music. And I feel like for women in music, the pressure to be, like, hypersexual and diva and all of these things.

[Meghan Trainor]

Do you feel that it gets in your head? For sure, yeah. When I'm writing an album, they're like, what's it about? What are you going through? And I was like, I'm different than every other pop star right now. I'm wiping boogers and butts all day. So, like, I guess I want my music to be the diva girl. I feel like Hannah Montana a lot, where I get to be mama at home and, like, very humbled by my children. And then I get to go on stage and be full diva pop star.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Meghan Trainor]

So. But it's. It's a confusing lane, and people are like, aren't you so confident and badass all the time? And I'm like, no, I'm mostly, like, crying and wiping butts. Like, I'm mostly like, if you saw me at home, I'm playing pirates. Like, I'm adorable, which is amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

But that's so great that. That you can have that. Because I feel like I worry when I don't want to say anyone's name, but there are people I worry about who are young, who get kind of pushed into this lane of, like, diva, hyper sexualized, you know?

[Meghan Trainor]

And I see that a lot too. And then I. I think maybe because I'm a mom and have kids and want to watch the music videos, I'm like, oh, we're not gonna watch this one. Change It. And so I'm. It's hard that change. And I'm like, yeah. Oh man, that's a bummer. Because like their music is so good and they're so talented. But like, I can't play that right now for my kids.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's true. It's a real thing. I mean, my 8 year old does not know what the things mean.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, which is fine. Right. But like he loves the music, but. But then I can't, you know, if he's on the iPad and something comes up and he's going to watch a video, I'm like, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, we have to sit with them.

[Kristin Davis]

How did this happen? Like, it's so interesting.

[Meghan Trainor]

My kid had a phase of loving the Weeknd and there's a full music video where the Weeknd's teeth are bleeding, his nose is bleeding, he's driving a car in Vegas, very scary. And obviously like it's him doing drugs and. But my Riley is like, he's like a vampire. Yes, he's a vampire. And I just lie to him.

[Kristin Davis]

Like his son had a whole thing where he loved 21 Savage because, yes, Tesla felt the need to have this Tesla Countdown. And 21 Savage was on the Tesla Countdown. I didn't know who 21 Savage was or what he was singing about, but it has such a good beat. Right.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

And I think.

[Meghan Trainor]

Get it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And he, it was, he was like young, like six or something. He did not know what he's talking about. He does not know what the click, click sound is. He doesn't know anything.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But then there came a time my nanny looked at me and I was like, yeah, like we should probably snip it in the bud. But it's hard, like culturally it's hard that things have gotten so kind of escalated, you know, in music especially, I feel like, because you can keep the R rated movies from them pretty easily, you know, but the music, I don't feel like it's just everywhere.

[Meghan Trainor]

It's everywhere. Yeah, true.

[Kristin Davis]

But then for you, I feel you have this incredible marriage and these kids and that's very grounding, I would think. And that's incredible because I don't worry like when the people don't have the grounding side. I worry what's gonna happen.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Because you can't keep the other thing going forever.

[Meghan Trainor]

But it's also a confusing give and pull where I sat with my managers the other day and I was like, should I even be doing this pop star stuff or should I be like, writing just kids albums for, like, music for.

[Kristin Davis]

Could you do it?

[Meghan Trainor]

And I was told, like, well, you can't do both. You can't do this music video and have your boobs out and then sell a children's album. Oh, no. They said that to me. It's not fair. I was like, but why? Why can't I do anything? Like, I agree. I was pissed. I mean, I buy your children's album after this.

[Kristin Davis]

I would totally buy your children's album.

[Meghan Trainor]

Thank you so much.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, why can't you do both?

[Meghan Trainor]

I do it all. I agree. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's also, like, the interesting thing about women being kind of pigeonholed and put into a box, you know? Yeah, A box or whatever you to be, right?

[Meghan Trainor]

And why, you know, why.

[Kristin Davis]

Why can't we be everything?

[Meghan Trainor]

I know, right? And the comment sections are so mean. Now.

[Kristin Davis]

Don't look.

[Meghan Trainor]

I don't go anywhere.

[Kristin Davis]

Comment section.

[Meghan Trainor]

I don't go in there.

[Kristin Davis]

You don't go in there myself, I have occasionally, but I try really hard not to.

[Meghan Trainor]

Like, is it tough for you because you. You guys had, like, magazines and mean stuff written anywhere?

[Kristin Davis]

We did.

[Meghan Trainor]

We did for a long time. Or is it better?

[Kristin Davis]

Different. Different, I guess. I mean, back in the olden days, it would be hard because it was like, in the grocery store, right? Like, big, you know, headlines or whatever, you know, about whatever they were in a fuss about that week. You know what I'm saying? And my mom would always say, like, oh, I saw. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'd be like, mom.

[Meghan Trainor]

My mom has me on Google alerts, right?

[Kristin Davis]

I don't think my mom understands Google alerts, but. Right. You have to. You have to not do that.

[Meghan Trainor]

I was like, mom, if I stop, you have to stop with me. She's like, well, just in case. And I'm like, just in case what? Right?

[Kristin Davis]

In case something happens. Yeah, I know. I think they worry, right? Which I totally understand. But I had to say to my mom, like, they don't always know what they're talking about, right? Like, you really, really have to not believe them. She'd call, very concerned about, you know, my girlfriend's like, what's happening? And I also went through a long phase of being really concerned about my girlfriends also, right? Like, not so much about me, but, like, what were they saying about my friends? Which is kind of worse, you know, like, you wanna.

[Meghan Trainor]

I was just in one of those. My mom group blew up, and it was everywhere on earth what happened. And it was so many stories. And I didn't even see these girls for like over a year. So I was like. But I like, keep in touch. Cuz I like working so much.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

That I slowly like faded away from the.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that was my thought was like, how do they maintain that with the kids and the careers?

[Meghan Trainor]

They all worked way more than I did. So I was like, I'm not like, work together to like plan trips and be together, include everyone.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow, that's impressive.

[Meghan Trainor]

I love you all so much. I'm not gonna make it to holidays. I'm tired.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

Or I would tour for three months

[Kristin Davis]

and be like, oh my God, I can't imagine.

[Meghan Trainor]

But yeah, even seeing all that. Yeah. Like our, the our names got dragged all together and it's negative.

[Kristin Davis]

Why do people want to be negative like that?

[Meghan Trainor]

Mine, someone said to me, they were like, well, everyone's hating on Meghan Trainor right now, so I bet she's the bully. And I was like, excuse me.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Meghan Trainor]

I'm not even here.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Meghan Trainor]

It's. I now like, have been hit so much that you're like. You kind of laugh and you're like, oh, silly.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

It's true.

[Meghan Trainor]

But I also feel for those girls who are human beings that I can text and be like, well, this sucks.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Meghan Trainor]

And we're all typing like, yeah, sucks, but it's our life. But there's a lot of moms in that group that weren't famous. Right. That were like, I was ungoogle able. And now I'm out there everywhere. Like, you can. And that's horrible. And they were heartbroken.

[Kristin Davis]

I just don't even understand. I just. I feel the need for negativity. And that, that's one thing that I do feel is worse was that it used to just be kind of a handful of magazines. Right. And you kind of knew the players and you knew that one might be positive and one might be negative.

[Meghan Trainor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So it would kind of even out now. It can really, like the trend can be like a wave, right? Yes. Where you actually didn't do anything. It's just how it's getting reported.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yep.

[Kristin Davis]

That is not actually accurate. But then it's very, very hard to stop that.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. Like, how do you stop a wave? Everyone's like a journalist now, right?

[Kristin Davis]

And everyone has a platform. Yeah, absolutely. Everyone's opinion gets like, blasted.

[Meghan Trainor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So I think it's really hard. I think it's really hard. The kind of like massiveness of it or the flow of it can be very uncontrollable now where you Just have to wait.

[Meghan Trainor]

I never, like, was affected that bad even 10 years ago, right. With all about that base. And I would hear some things, like people would hit on me, but I never read it online.

[Kristin Davis]

I never see it that bad. Yeah.

[Meghan Trainor]

And like, nowadays I'll be scrolling on TikTok, just like pooping on the toilet. And then there'll be a video of me, like a person randomly talking just about me, about how I look or, like being in the mom group. And I'm like, oh, my God, I was just trying to doom scroll while pooping, you know, like, I was in my safe place and now my safe place is taken away.

[Kristin Davis]

So that's true. No, I do think that's true.

[Meghan Trainor]

I feel like, block myself.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's hard to do, but possible. I mean, my problem is this podcast, right? So like, previous to the podcast, I didn't have. My feed wasn't filled with Sex and city stuff, right? Because I would look at dog, dog videos. Right. And elephant videos, whatnot. And now, because I feel I, you know, I try to comment and we've got the podcast page, and therefore they want to tell me everything, you know, which is kind of fun, usually. And then occasionally not. And then if it. If it takes a turn, then I just have to stop. And now you can go into your algorithm and change it on Instagram, at least. I don't know about TikTok.

[Meghan Trainor]

I gotta learn how to do that. It's good.

[Kristin Davis]

It's good. It's helpful.

[Meghan Trainor]

You can.

[Kristin Davis]

You can start fresh.

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, God. Okay, I'll do that tonight.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, because it's hard. Because you do want to have that break of being able to scroll like everyone else.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. I just want to see doggies.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it.

[Meghan Trainor]

I just want to see things.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it. Me too.

[Meghan Trainor]

Or like asmr or like squishy things.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true. I went through an ASMR phase. I'm over. I don't know if, like, I loved it and then I was done, right? Then I was done. But the animal videos never end. And that's the good part, Right? Like, sometimes you just need that break when you're trying to go to bed or whatever, right? Like, trying to.

[Meghan Trainor]

I had to pick up reading. I was like, oh, man.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. A book is safe. A book is very safe. I also have a page book, like on the paper, not on the, you know, no electronics. Right. I do have a paper book.

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, yeah. I like the thick, hard covers. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Like the olden days. It's good. And it's Also very calming.

[Meghan Trainor]

I. I just read Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo.

[Kristin Davis]

Ooh, I've heard that is good.

[Meghan Trainor]

It's.

[Kristin Davis]

Did you read Strangers?

[Meghan Trainor]

No, this is my first, like, book that I finished. Okay, Strangers.

[Kristin Davis]

Strangers.

[Meghan Trainor]

Put it down, Zena.

[Kristin Davis]

As I said, I have two children. I'm a single parent. I read that book in one day. That's how good it is.

[Meghan Trainor]

Okay. Strangers. I want it.

[Kristin Davis]

This woman is such an incredible writer. Bell Burden. Okay. I mean, it's like you just enter her life, like she just somehow opens a door. I mean, it's not an easy escape. It's complex. Is it murder?

[Meghan Trainor]

What is it?

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no, no. It's relationship. Really upsetting relationship situation that anyone could find themselves in. You know what I'm saying? It's not. It's not like an escalated murder crime situation or anything like that. It's like emotional crime.

[Meghan Trainor]

Love emotional crime.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, it's emotional crime. Yeah. We're gonna have a Gwyneth movie. Gwyneth is gonna be her. But read it before so that you can have your own experience. That's my advice. Yes. Okay. Let's talk about the ultimate main character moment. You know the feeling. You wake up, the light is hitting your living room just right.

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[Jared O'Donnell]

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[Meghan Trainor]

Somebody, please.

[Jared O'Donnell]

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[Meghan Trainor]

Psych.

[Jared O'Donnell]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hey Cream.

[Jared O'Donnell]

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[Tom Bogart]

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[Tab Ramos]

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[Cheryl Strayed]

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[Unknown Motivational Speaker]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cheryl Strayed]

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[Kristin Davis]

All right, so my Hyundai hot take for this episode has got to be the ending where Aiden comes back to Carrie's apartment and throws the rocks up at her window because she's throwing the rocks earlier. And this obviously stays until. And just like that, they still throw rocks at each other's window, which is so adorable. And then she enters the door, and they just, you know, come together.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

And it's filmed in slow mo, I believe.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's so beautiful. It's so beautifully shot and so real, but also, like, the best kind. It's like a movie moment, you know, like, just so, so yummy. And they're both so good in it. So that's my Hyundai hot take. Celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style. Just like Hyundai. Let's talk about you. And. Okay, so you're obviously much younger than me. How old were you when the show was on? Did you watch it Originally?

[Meghan Trainor]

My mom watched it, and I remember walking into her bedroom every night because I was, like, so codependent. Was like, hey, mom and dad. And I remember my mom specifically be like, shut the TV off. Shut the TV off. And I was like, why? What is it? And that's. That was my first introduction to Sex in the City.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so cute.

[Meghan Trainor]

So that. Yeah, that was when I first learned about it. And then when I was older, like, I watched, I think, all of it by myself and loved it and understood what everyone was talking about. But I haven't watched it in so long. But every now and then I see the episodes or if I'm on a plane, it's, like, great to pop on. But this episode that we watched, for this particular episode, I've seen this one for some reason, like, three times. That's why I keep watching this episode. It's a really good one. It's called Baby Talk episode.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Which is weird. I'd forgotten all about that. I had forgotten all about.

[Meghan Trainor]

I was like, why do I keep watching? And when she's sweaty and hot and running from the marathon, and I'm like, she's exactly what I would do to. I'd be like, oh, God, I'm sweaty.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. I forgot about this particular season. Season four in my mind, just kind of doesn't exist. I remember season three really, really well, and I don't remember season four. And so I don't know. Michael Patrick says he's gonna come on and help me with my amnesia. Okay, good.

[Meghan Trainor]

I feel like.

[Kristin Davis]

I feel like. I feel like some of it is because this season three is when we started getting nominated for stuff.

[Meghan Trainor]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Which was a big deal. Right. Like, we never expected it to happen. It was so exciting. And it meant that, like, the Emmys and the Golden Globes are like six months apart. And so your whole year kind of revolved partly, number one, about filming the series, and then number two, about doing all the stuff you had to do for the series to support the series. Right?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So it kind of became a year round. That was when we bolted into this, like, year round traveling, you know, going to Europe, doing photo shoots, you know, doing the awards. It was really fun. But it was also just a lot. Like, I always had my passport in my bag. Like, I was ready.

[Meghan Trainor]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I was super into it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I had no kids, I had no relationship. I mean, I also think I. Do you think there was something going on personally in this particular summer? Possibly July 1, 2001? Yes. This summer. How old were you in 2001?

[Meghan Trainor]

I was born in 93. Anybody got that math?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, adorable. Adorable. So adorable. That's the other thing that's so funny about it is, you know, I don't feel old. Right. Like, I feel very.

[Meghan Trainor]

You're not.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. But when you do start to look at the year, you're like, whoa, 2001. That was a big year. A lot changed in 2001, but the summer before 911 was like the glorious New York. Like, almost like, everything was brighter, more fun, extra wonderful, glorious. The whole summer was that way. And then 911 obviously, like, changed the city forever and changed all of our lives forever, you know.

[Meghan Trainor]

That's what happened. That's what happened.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So, but like, the summer before, it was just like, everything good, you know, everything good, but also super, super busy. So I think that's partly why I don't remember, but also, like, I think because for Charlotte is the continuation of the Trey storyline, which she gets married in season three. So in my mind, there wasn't a clear demarcation between season three and season four. Right. Like, emotionally, I'm still in the same. You know, I'm trying to make it work with Trey. I'm hoping that.

[Meghan Trainor]

Trying to make babies.

[Kristin Davis]

Trying to make babies. That's season four, not season three, but obviously getting married. The whole picture. She's trying to create this picture that she has in her mind. Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

Well, this episode too, when you guys are sitting with your friends and they have three kids. I'm the girl with three kids.

[Kristin Davis]

What did you think when you watched that?

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, man, I was just laughing because I see both sides and. But I'm literally the girl. My managers. None of my team. Except Luki Poops. None of my Luki Poops. Sorry, Luke. I have weird nicknames for my whole team. None of my team. Most of them aren't even married yet or don't have children. So they'll FaceTime me about a wardrobe problem and I'll have my 2 year old screaming and I'll be like, one second, please. I'll call you right back. And they always tell me that they're laying in bed with their boyfriend. They're like, this is how I know I'm not ready. Like, I get a lot of those. I get a lot of.

[Kristin Davis]

So you are the.

[Meghan Trainor]

I'm the girl with the.

[Kristin Davis]

I understand, I understand.

[Meghan Trainor]

But I'm like, in heaven and chaos. And of course I have a lot of my friends going, maybe we're gonna wait. Even my siblings. I'm like, what do you mean you're gonna wait?

[Kristin Davis]

This is fun.

[Meghan Trainor]

Like, my. My kids need friends, like, make babies. And they're like, it's interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, did you. Did you want the children?

[Meghan Trainor]

Like, did you think 22. I want a baby.

[Dani Shapiro]

Wow.

[Meghan Trainor]

I was dating my husband and we were walking by diapers at a store, and I started crying and I was like, I know it's too soon. I know everyone will judge me, but I feel like I'm supposed to be buying these diapers right now, and I don't understand.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, listen, if you feel it deeply, that's what's important.

[Meghan Trainor]

I waited all the way till 26.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Meghan Trainor]

I got married at 25. And a year later, during COVID we were like, well, this is our break. This is our time. Let's go.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely. Oh, yeah.

[Meghan Trainor]

Then started getting pregnant then.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. 26.

[Kristin Davis]

I just think, you know, it's different for everyone. And I think the important thing is to listen, like, deeply. Don't. Don't be affected by what's around you. Don't let their outside pressure affect what you want, either pro or against or whatever. You know what I'm saying? If that's about marriage, it's about Children, everything. But it's sometimes hard to listen to the inner voice. So good for you.

[Meghan Trainor]

Especially with my career, too. Even, like, after baby number one, I, like, had a hit with Made youe Look, which, like, never happens and not in my career 10 years later. So I'm like, oh, no. I finally have momentum again. Like, do I really want another baby right now? While I'm, like, killing it. And my team was so supportive. They're the best. And they were like, don't think. Just answer. You want another baby? And I was like, yep. And they're like, that's it, then. Do it. Definitely. It was the best.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

Good for them that they said that.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so glad. I mean, I can't even imagine doing both, though. Though. It's a lot.

[Meghan Trainor]

It's a lot. It's a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, the thing that's interesting is, like, I feel like being a parent is so creative.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, you have to be so creative.

[Meghan Trainor]

We're so silly. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

It's really important and good, and it does kind of feed our creative lives.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But yet it's hard to do both at the same time.

[Meghan Trainor]

It is so hard. Yes. We can do it all, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. Me, too.

[Meghan Trainor]

I literally said the other day, crying to my husband. I was like, but I thought I was doing it all. I thought I am doing it.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

I think you are doing.

[Meghan Trainor]

He's like, I think you are. And I was like, it doesn't feel like I am. It doesn't. What do you mean? Sometimes. Well, Mike, I feel like my career is failing if I'm doing great at home.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I understand.

[Meghan Trainor]

And I'm, like, very dramatic and hard on myself. And I'm like, well, I don't have a hit, or no one even knows my album's coming out. And I, like, I just go negative, negative, negative. And then he's like, but you have three beautiful, healthy children, and we're thriving. Look at this. Look at our life. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I am crushing it.

[Kristin Davis]

I also feel like there's no way, like, whenever we're promoting, like, the show or whatever it is.

[Meghan Trainor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You. It's. It's not a loop where you can feel satisfaction. Yeah.

[Meghan Trainor]

Ever. Right? Yeah. And it's like a. It's. It's a weird job where you work really hard, and that's not where you get paid. So you're like, this will be worth it. Right. And it's.

[Kristin Davis]

And I think it is worth it. And I also think you just have to do it. It's one of those things where you just have to do it. Doing it is it. That is the end of result. Right. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Meghan Trainor]

I did it.

[Kristin Davis]

And you just have to do it and do the best you can do at. Okay, let's talk about the show.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm like, we'll never get to this. I know. But it's gonna. It's really fun. It's a really fun conversation. Okay. This episode is called Baby Talk is Cheap. And it is directed by Michael Spiller, who had been our dp and he had wanted to direct. Yeah. So this is fourth season, so it took him a while. I feel like maybe he directed last season. And it's written by Cindy Shupak, who is one of our women writers. I think she was the second women writer to be hired. And then she's an executive producer at this point with our other female writer, Jenny. So Jenny and Cindy are, like, key to the whole picture. And they have so many funny stories. Their stories were a lot of what our stories were based on, not our stories. Right. It had to be either one of the writers stories or someone they knew, like, they're a good friend. So that there was, like, verification that it was real. I know, I know. Really interesting. Everyone always thought it was ours, but it had nothing to do with us, thank God. You know what I mean? Much easier to play other people's stories, you know? Now this is a really interesting storyline with Aiden. How do you feel about Aiden?

[Meghan Trainor]

That he was the one you really. I know. I. I just, like, love them, seeing them together.

[Kristin Davis]

They're so good, right?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

The chemistry.

[Meghan Trainor]

The chemistry. And this is where she flies to him and it's like a magic scene. It was good.

[Kristin Davis]

It was really good.

[Meghan Trainor]

But he's also, like, super emotional, which I love, because you don't see especially, like. Like, in that time, I don't know, a lot of tough guys being like, you broke my heart.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I know. He really delivers that so beautifully.

[Meghan Trainor]

So it's so good. And her being desperate for him. I loved all that, but I just root for them. Every time I saw them, I was like, oh, come on, guys, figure this out.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. I felt the same way. And I used to be. I mean, I've said this before, so a listeners, I'm sorry, but I used to be kind of big team big, because Charlotte was team big. And I didn't really think about it separately from Charlotte. And then when I watch it back, like, oh, no.

[Meghan Trainor]

Oh, no.

[Kristin Davis]

Back then, that was kind of normal. To have this kind of aloof, you know, unavailable guy. Right. But when I watch it, Hayden is dreamy.

[Meghan Trainor]

Dreamy, Dreamy.

[Kristin Davis]

But also, like, I feel for him. You know, I really feel for him. And I really should be on her side, but I'm like, oh, I feel for him. It's very interesting to rewatch.

[Meghan Trainor]

They torture each other.

[Kristin Davis]

They really. In a way, but they don't mean to. And I think that's what's so relatable. Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, you can understand their, like, what's happening?

[Meghan Trainor]

Communication.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. But also, like, I mean, I don't know, like, as I'm rewatching it, I'm. I mean, it's interesting. Like, I don't really remember. I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, I know what's going to happen, but I don't know why. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, I don't know why. Why can't Carrie ever work it out? Do you know what I'm saying?

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah. I can't remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting. Me neither. But when you're. When you're watching it, you just go in it. Wherever they are.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is what's so kind of amazing. Like, even though I have a lot of other knowledge. Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

Even at the end, too, they, like, finally got together and he's like, I gotta think about it. And I was like, why?

[Kristin Davis]

I know. That was good, though.

[Meghan Trainor]

And she's like, awesome. I'll just live with my thoughts.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. But she deserves that.

[Meghan Trainor]

She did. She did.

[Kristin Davis]

She totally deserves that. She did break his heart. And like you said, he is this kind of feeling guy.

[Cheryl Strayed]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But he's also smart that he was

[Meghan Trainor]

aware to emotionally aware. To be like, like.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

I'm not gonna go fully in right now. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Which is so good.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It's interesting. And it's also good for her to kind of sit with her own actions.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, what did I actually do? Because I do feel like Carrie is very, like, impulsive. I don't know if that's really the right word. Right. Like, it's interesting to look at.

[Meghan Trainor]

Accountability is tough. It is. Which is sitting in it.

[Kristin Davis]

I wouldn't have ever thought that before. But I do know people complain about Carrie. Whatever. But I also feel like that's unfair because everyone does the best they can do and you have all these different feelings. And she's a deeply feeling person who's not necessarily super comfortable with her feelings.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, so it's interesting that she's drawn to Aiden who is more comfortable with his feelings as a guy very opposite to me. It's good. Right. But then obviously there's also Big, who's not comfortable with his feelings. It's all very interesting, but I relate to all of it in terms of, like, you know, you. You want what you want and you don't.

[Meghan Trainor]

I married me and Aiden, like a softie. You did, sweetheart. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so nice.

[Meghan Trainor]

I know. It's the best. That's so nice.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

It's hard to find them.

[Meghan Trainor]

It's very rare.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

He was. He was born in California. I think that helped a lot.

[Podcast Advertiser/Promoter]

Okay.

[Meghan Trainor]

Me and my brothers are from the east coast, so we're like, you stuff your feelings down and we never talk about them.

[Kristin Davis]

Sure.

[Meghan Trainor]

And he was like, let's meditate on this. And they were like, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Huh?

[Meghan Trainor]

And now they're like, we should meditate. We understand you.

[Kristin Davis]

He's an actor.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

That also sometimes can help.

[Meghan Trainor]

Is that what it is?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I mean, it's a mixed bag, right? Like, actors in general were supposed to be, you know, other people's feelings, but, like, expressive, like in touch with emotions so that we can hopefully access them. Right.

[Meghan Trainor]

Could you tell when they're lying or not?

[Kristin Davis]

I can tell when actors are lying.

[Meghan Trainor]

Me too. I could. I. And I'll be like, that whole thing is not real. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't think that's real. Because the thing about actors is that, yes, we play other people, but it's a learned thing. Right. Like, you have a script and you learn it, you're not really lying.

[Meghan Trainor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You have to find the emotional truth of it. I think that whole thing is like, fake news or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like, that you never know if an actor's telling the truth. I don't think that's true at all. I think actors are more transparent than your average person on the street.

[Meghan Trainor]

I just know my husband too well, where I know, like, his twitch and, like, his little face, and I'm like, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

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Well, good for you.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, you guys have been together since you were really young, so that's really good.

[Meghan Trainor]

I think that's great.

[Kristin Davis]

That's amazing, you guys. Megan is too much fun. So we're definitely going to split our conversation into two. Please join us again in a couple days for part two with Meghan Trainor

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[Kristin Davis]

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