Kristin Davis (3:23)

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Okay, you guys today, thank you for joining us on Rus Charlotte. We have an incredible guest, Ben Platt. He is almost an EGOT winner. He has a Tony, an Emmy and a Grammy. Everything but the Oscar, which I have every faith he will one day get. You would know him from Dear Evan Hansen and also Pitch Perfect. He plays Benji and also he was on the Politician Ryan Murphy series. I mean, he is incredible. And he has this unbelievable concert at Radio City Music hall where he basically says that he's a Charlotte and then he sings a song that he wrote about it. So we're going to talk to him about that and so much more. So here is the incredible Ben Platt.

Ben Platt (4:12)

Hey.

Kristin Davis (4:12)

It's very exciting.

Ben Platt (4:13)

I'm so excited to be here.

Kristin Davis (4:15)

And we have a bunch of similarities or connections, though I have never officially met Ben. But what I have to start with though, and I don't know if you are aware of this, tell me. So I fly a lot. I fly around a lot. And we had one season of the show and just like that, where it was during the school year. So I was literally flying to LA every weekend to see my kids. It was hard and. And I was deliriously tired. So one flight, I'm on the flight and there were some adorable young men on this flight. I was like, they seem familiar. But I was so tired. And we take the whole flight, there's some chatting going on. There's possibly a mother or a mother in law. Do you know what I mean? There's some chatting, there's some boisterousness. I'm like, I don't know who they are, but they're super interesting. We get off and I'm like, oh my God, I think that's Ben Blood.

Ben Platt (5:06)

Oh, it was me.

Kristin Davis (5:07)

I think so.

Ben Platt (5:07)

And your husband was in York to la?

Kristin Davis (5:09)

Yes.

Ben Platt (5:10)

I mean, we do be doing that play.

Kristin Davis (5:12)

You didn't notice me?

Ben Platt (5:13)

No. Are you kidding me?

Kristin Davis (5:14)

Thank God.

Ben Platt (5:14)

I would have bothered you.

Kristin Davis (5:15)

I'm so glad because I was so mortified that I Didn't say hi to you.

Ben Platt (5:19)

I would have made you make a video for my sisters.

Kristin Davis (5:21)

Thank God in heaven. Because I thought to myself, like, I mean, I was in my, like, do not look at me phase. Do you know what I mean? I might have had a hat on. I was in like, my.

Ben Platt (5:28)

No. Plains is the most, like, fortifying zone to be a person.

Kristin Davis (5:34)

Because later on I felt so bad because you have that super adorable concert where you literally say that you are a Charlotte.

Ben Platt (5:42)

It's true. I do. I do.

Kristin Davis (5:43)

Which everyone and their brother sent to me.

Ben Platt (5:46)

Yeah, I hear. I wrote a whole song.

Kristin Davis (5:48)

I know. Tell us about it.

Ben Platt (5:49)

Well, yeah, I mean, I very much identify as a Charlotte. Always have grew up with two sisters, as I said, and they loved the show and exposed me to the show. And I've most of the show memorized. So I just. It's very formative to me as a gay person and a New York person. So I also from a Jewish family and very much the MO culturally as obviously Charlotte becomes is, you know, you gotta find your. Find your husband and settle down and buy the china. And, you know, it's all about, like, making a home. And so for me in dating, like, even prematurely, that was very much my M.O. and so I very much consider myself a Charlotte. So I wrote this song called Share youe Address that's on my first album. That. That's about kind of jumping in really quickly as soon as you like someone after the first couple dates. And I always say that it's very much inspired by Charlotte.

Kristin Davis (6:29)

Ah. Which I love so much. And it's so beautiful in the concert. It's so, so beautiful. And people kept sending it to me and I was like, this is adorable. It's before I had the podcast. But then I was like, yes, this. We need to have him on the podcast.

Ben Platt (6:41)

Yeah. Just as soon as I heard this was a thing.

Kristin Davis (6:43)

Yay.

Ben Platt (6:44)

I'm so glad you're doing this, by the way, as someone who loves the show and watches it before I go to sleep, but it's just nice to have someone to chat about it with.

Kristin Davis (6:50)

I do find this whole new. It's really amazing to have lasted this long in terms of the show being culturally discussed at all. And then obviously we got to go back and do. And just like that. And then they came to me while we were doing and just like that, asked me if I wanted you to do the podcast. I had had other chances to do a rewatch podcast and I hadn't. I hadn't been ready in a way yeah, of course, it seems weird in a certain way to look back and kind of live in the past. Like, I didn't want to live in the past, of course, but I had also never rewatched the show. And in my mind, of course, I love the show. I always love the show. Everyone knows I love the show. But when I rewatch it, I'm blown away by how good it is.

Ben Platt (7:30)

Yeah, it's really good. And so many people I hate to bring it to. It's really good. Right?

Kristin Davis (7:34)

Thank God. Right? Thank God. Like, it's such a gift as an actor to just luck in, like, literally fall into a situation where everybody is trying to do something new and everybody is committed and everyone cares so much. And our writers were so amazing and still are and, you know, so many different things. So I'm so lucky that I did say yes. I'm so thankful that I did say yes.

Ben Platt (7:57)

And I so understand that. Having to have the right amount of time between to, like, live your life and be a person and separate and then come back to it fresh and.

Kristin Davis (8:04)

Right.

Ben Platt (8:04)

Like, I so understand, like, that you needed to wait till the right moment.

Kristin Davis (8:08)

To revisit, and now it's very therapeutic.

Ben Platt (8:10)

Really, I would imagine.

Kristin Davis (8:11)

Right. It's so interesting. And sometimes I remember nothing. Like, this entire episode was new to you. Totally, totally. Fresh eyes.

Ben Platt (8:17)

When you watch it, does it put you back on the day? Like, do you think of. Do you get flashes of, like, work days and little flashes?

Kristin Davis (8:22)

Because that is the way actors remember things.

Ben Platt (8:24)

Right?

Kristin Davis (8:25)

You remember, like, I was so hot that day or whatever.

Ben Platt (8:28)

Like, you can see me melting.

Kristin Davis (8:29)

Exactly. I can see me melting. I can. I'm gonna see weird details that no one else would see or whatever. I. I don't even think I. Do I. Yes, I did have flashbacks.

Ben Platt (8:40)

Okay, good. I was.

Kristin Davis (8:42)

I'm remembering now. I'm remembering now. The funny thing is that sometimes, like, for instance, people over the years, it's always interesting to see what people remember and talk to you about. Right. And people would talk to me about the S and M club, and I'm always like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Ben Platt (8:54)

Of course.

Kristin Davis (8:54)

This is apparently what I was talking about.

Ben Platt (8:56)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (8:57)

Le. The La Dolor.

Ben Platt (8:59)

Exquisite.

Kristin Davis (9:00)

Thank you so much.

Ben Platt (9:01)

I kinked my hair.

Kristin Davis (9:02)

Good job. I know.

Ben Platt (9:03)

That's Charlotte's kink.

Kristin Davis (9:05)

I know. And I don't. I didn't. I have no memory of this at all. No memory of this at all. Except that there is. There's a picture of the cast, and I don't know where we are. Possibly at a premiere party, and my hair is kinked, which, you know, is scary. Okay. It's a scary thing. I love it. Do you love it?

Ben Platt (9:23)

Yeah, of course. And I just love that that's her interpretation of the assignment when she shows up.

Kristin Davis (9:27)

I know.

Ben Platt (9:27)

Charlotte is true to Charlotte. Always.

Kristin Davis (9:29)

Charlotte is true to Charlotte.

Ben Platt (9:30)

Well, all four of them are, which is why they're so iconic.

Kristin Davis (9:32)

Well, this is true.

Ben Platt (9:33)

And why everybody sees themselves in them is that they're very true to their, you know, their centers. Obviously, they all change and experience things, but they have, like, an ID each of them that, like, stays very consistent and makes them feel like real people.

Kristin Davis (9:45)

I agree 100%. I agree 100%. There are people in the world who do not agree well with us.

Ben Platt (9:51)

They can come to me, actually. Don't.

Kristin Davis (9:53)

Don't.

Ben Platt (9:53)

Do not. Absolutely.

Kristin Davis (9:55)

How's that been? Thank you for putting yourself out there for us. Thank you. Okay, so the thing. Okay, here we are. We're back. Should we go back and discuss?

Ben Platt (10:02)

Oh, my God, of course.

Kristin Davis (10:03)

Okay, great. Or should we. I just want to just briefly touch on. So you're happily married?

Ben Platt (10:08)

I'm happily married.

Kristin Davis (10:09)

I want to tell the story.

Ben Platt (10:10)

I found my Harry Goldenblatt.

Kristin Davis (10:11)

And how did you find your Harry Goldenblatt?

Ben Platt (10:14)

Well, we met his name's Noah Galvin. He's very talented actor and writer and singer and performer. And he and I met when we were, like, 19, making, like, a web series. Like, a comedy web series. I never saw the light of day.

Kristin Davis (10:25)

I didn't even know this.

Ben Platt (10:26)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (10:26)

Oh, my God.

Ben Platt (10:27)

We met really early on.

Kristin Davis (10:28)

Whoa.

Ben Platt (10:29)

Our mutual friends who we made this film theater camp with, they were one of the first things that we all made together was this web series. They invited me in, and I met Noah doing, like, improv with him, and we had talent crushes immediately on each other. And then we started, you know, working together in the theater community, like, workshopping musicals and stuff. And we started dating, like, right away when we were, like, 20 years old.

Kristin Davis (10:47)

Wow.

Ben Platt (10:48)

And I, like, really panicked and sort of freaked out quickly.

Kristin Davis (10:52)

Understandable.

Ben Platt (10:53)

And for reasons that I don't think I understood at the time. At the time, I sort of expressed it like, oh, like, I think we're best friends. I think this is a friendship. I think this is, like, a lifelong friendship. And I don't want to ruin that by. And I don't think I understood at such a young age that, like, that is one and the same 100%.

Kristin Davis (11:08)

But nobody, when they're young, understands no.

Ben Platt (11:10)

I thought those were, like, totally different categories.

Kristin Davis (11:11)

Right. You were looking for the heat.

Ben Platt (11:13)

That's right.

Kristin Davis (11:14)

Right.

Ben Platt (11:14)

And so I sent him a text message that was so long that it has an arrow at the bottom to go to the rest of the text message, which wasn't the nicest way to do it. But he. So he was mad at me for a little while, but then he was. We became friends, and he was very patient. And we were friends for, like, five, six years.

Kristin Davis (11:26)

Wow.

Ben Platt (11:27)

And then sort of had like, a maturing turning point, mostly on my end of coming to my senses and realizing, you know, this was the sort of greatest person that I know has been in front of me the whole time. And he graciously allowed me to come to that realization. But we really gave both of us a chance to, like, sow some oats, which I really appreciate. I'm glad we didn't get together right away and we're able to come a little bit more fully formed. And we've been married almost a year. Well, September 1st will be our first anniversary.

Kristin Davis (11:52)

Amazing. But then, where's the Dear Evan Hansen?

Ben Platt (11:55)

So the Internet loves to tell me that we met doing Dear Evan Hansen, so. Which is not true.

Kristin Davis (12:00)

Got it.

Ben Platt (12:01)

We already knew each other.

Kristin Davis (12:02)

Correct things.

Ben Platt (12:02)

Yes. Always. For several years when I was doing Evan Hansen, I originated the part on Broadway, and they were looking for a replacement, and they obviously found Noah because Noah's very talented. And I was just like, oh, I love him. He's amazing. I co. Sign. That's amazing. So we already had a friendship, and I was able to help him acclimate to that really intense part and at least make the transition as easy as it could be. But, yeah, that was like chapter three or four in our.

Kristin Davis (12:25)

That's amazing.

Ben Platt (12:26)

In our story.

Kristin Davis (12:27)

That's amazing. I love that story so much. And I love. I do think that there's just so many different elements of. First of all, you know, meeting when you're 19. I mean, that's kind of insane.

Ben Platt (12:39)

Totally.

Kristin Davis (12:39)

So it's amazing that you were able to navigate that in a way and both have patience or whatever. It took time and patience and growth to come to the point where you did realize and you hadn't burned that bridge.

Ben Platt (12:50)

It was. Yeah. Very grateful to the universe that, like, I, for whatever reason, wasn't ready to deal with it and so kind of blew it up for a moment. And also grateful to him that he stuck with it.

Kristin Davis (13:00)

And amazing. Congratulations.

Ben Platt (13:02)

Thanks.

Kristin Davis (13:03)

It seems definitely, like, we could use the word Bershaert.

Ben Platt (13:06)

Yeah, it's bershaert Love it. That's right.

Kristin Davis (13:08)

Love it so, so much. Yeah, I love that story. And I. I think it's also funny. I love to correct things that are wrong out there because people glom onto something and then it becomes like, it's real, but it's not.

Ben Platt (13:22)

It's in the narrative.

Kristin Davis (13:23)

Yeah, right.

Ben Platt (13:24)

And I get it. It's such a fun. That's such a fun story that, like, we met doing Dear Evan Hansen, and it's like we both played Evan Hansen, but, like, it's more boring to be like. Actually, we had done a workshop of a musical called Alice by Heart. And we had also made a web sketch together and Gone to Vassar and stuff. But, yeah, I love it. We still did both Liam and Hansen, so that's great.

Kristin Davis (13:42)

Of course. Of course. And that's a funny. It's a funny, like. Yeah, it's a quirky little thing. So a year married.

Ben Platt (13:48)

A year married, yes. September 1st.

Kristin Davis (13:50)

And then you knew what you thought it would be.

Ben Platt (13:51)

Yeah. I mean, I think the bigger change, for me especially. Cause I've known him for so long, was the cohabitating, like, moving in and really, like, building a home together for the first time.

Kristin Davis (14:01)

And this is a very Charlotte type of thing.

Ben Platt (14:02)

Exactly.

Kristin Davis (14:03)

How has it panned out?

Ben Platt (14:04)

Really, really well. He's very aesthetically gifted, and that's very much his strong suit, which is not mine. I'm very good at cleanliness.

Kristin Davis (14:14)

Oh, nice.

Ben Platt (14:14)

And organization.

Kristin Davis (14:15)

Nice.

Ben Platt (14:16)

And like, logistics and sort of excell. And he's a good visual ideas man. So it's a nice combo. But because we had already done that and started living together for, like, almost a year by the time we got married, I think the marriage part was sort of just like. Of course, like, this is naturally what we want to do next and what feels right. And we didn't sort of come home the next morning and think, like, uh, oh, now everything's different. We've changed everything. We just kind of watched Pop Star Academy and love it.

Kristin Davis (14:44)

The funny thing about Charlotte's whole thing, because people do talk a lot about the china. Because the china, you know. You know, when she marries Kyle and we're in Bergdorf and I flip that plate over. But also, even the first season, I go out with Carrie's discarded men, and he doesn't like my china taste. And I'm like, out.

Ben Platt (15:04)

Which is really funny to me. But sometimes if you know, you know.

Kristin Davis (15:08)

If you know, you know, in whatever way you find out whatever meaningful thing in your mind that is, I guess that's important to me. I do think, like, wow, Charlotte. It's very picky. But she is.

Ben Platt (15:23)

But she is. And I love that with Harry. They had to trial and tribulate and come to on their own time.

Kristin Davis (15:29)

There's growth in Charlotte and status, which is super important. But the thing that was funny about it in my mind, and this is again, like an actor type of a thing. So when she was married to Kyle, obviously. Sorry, what's his name? Trey. It's so messy in my mind at this point. Then I can't even.

Ben Platt (15:45)

Did you have a nice experience working with him?

Kristin Davis (15:47)

It's a dream.

Ben Platt (15:47)

Okay, good. He's wonderful on the show.

Kristin Davis (15:49)

He's amazing.

Ben Platt (15:50)

Love the character.

Kristin Davis (15:50)

I know. Amazing, right? And complicated.

Ben Platt (15:53)

Very, very human and, you know, heartbreaking and great and funny.

Kristin Davis (15:58)

I haven't gotten to that part of the rewatch. We won't.

Ben Platt (16:00)

Sorry.

Kristin Davis (16:00)

I'm looking forward to it because I do feel like I need to work some feelings out.

Ben Platt (16:04)

We all do.

Kristin Davis (16:06)

But what I remember is, of course, you know, the thematic is that this is exactly what she was looking for. Everything looks perfect on the outside, but it's not perfect on the inside. And that is her growth is that that's not gonna work out, sadly. And that then she's gonna expand and grow herself inside and realize, no, this person who doesn't look anything like what she thought she wanted is in fact what she really wants on the inside. And it has worked out to be, thank God, a happy relationship and marriage in the Sex and the City universe.

Ben Platt (16:36)

Kind of the only one.

Kristin Davis (16:37)

Exactly. The only one, as he likes to say, the last man standing.

Ben Platt (16:41)

It's tr.

Kristin Davis (16:42)

And I'm so happy. I'm so happy for her and for him.

Ben Platt (16:45)

Feels earned.

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Kristin Davis (22:22)

When we came back to film and just like that, it was a lot, right? It was right after Covid we were we had to get the sets out of storage and or rebuild them depending on the situation and recreate.

Ben Platt (22:38)

It's like Twilight Zone.

Kristin Davis (22:40)

So much so, but yet our children had grown up, right? So they were trying to update. They were like how can we update? How can we change in a way that makes sense? So the first day I was the first person to work.

Ben Platt (22:51)

What was the first thing you shot?

Kristin Davis (22:53)

Basically a day of crying because Big has died.

Ben Platt (22:57)

Whoa.

Kristin Davis (22:58)

With the children who are now one day.

Ben Platt (23:00)

One.

Kristin Davis (23:00)

Yes. Okay. Yes.

Ben Platt (23:02)

That is brutal.

Kristin Davis (23:03)

I had to go to work at 4:30 in the morning. I hadn't been to work in a while because of COVID Right.

Ben Platt (23:08)

And sometimes the first week is a wash because you're just, like, getting your bearings and your life. So unfair.

Kristin Davis (23:13)

I know.

Ben Platt (23:13)

I would never have known.

Kristin Davis (23:14)

Thank you. They expect a lot of me. Okay. But Michael Patrick was directing, so there's an ease in that. But I had my new children, who we, you know, we've done a read through. We do. We're old school like that, so we've done that. I had my new dog, Myrtle. Love her so much. She's a. She's a she. I feel like I can say this now. She's a she. I've been trying to keep this quiet for years. She's a she. So I often just refer to her by her character name, but she is a she. Myrtle. I love her so passionately, and I might start to cry. She's eight. Okay.

Ben Platt (23:45)

We just lost our dog in the spring. His name was George. He's. Here's George.

Kristin Davis (23:49)

Oh, George is beautiful. George is beautiful. Let's not cry about the dogs, because really, it could happen. So I'm just gonna close my eyes for a second and talk about being at work. Going back to work. I'm all so excited, but also so nervous. I have so many important scenes. I have to basically cry for, like, three episodes.

Ben Platt (24:08)

When we first came back, right, it.

Kristin Davis (24:10)

Was a lot of Charlotte crying. And I can do that, but it was still a lot. So I go into Charlotte's set. I'm so excited to see the things that I recognize. You know, she has that beautiful china cabinet with all of her china in it. We know this is important to Charlotte. Then there's this little vestibule where you're walking from the dining room into the kitchen. And it's where there's, like, kind of desks on either side. And they had decided that this was the children's area and that the children were messy. So it was like if, like, someone's bedroom exploded into a very small area. And I was like, you guys, whoa, what is this? Are you not finished, you know, like, setting up? Like, we could see this in this shot. They're like, no, no, that's how it is. Cause, you know, the kids are messy. And I'm like, but I'm still Charlotte.

Ben Platt (24:56)

It's true.

Kristin Davis (24:57)

They can't be this messy.

Ben Platt (24:58)

She wouldn't let them fly.

Kristin Davis (24:59)

What on earth? And they were like, oh, so this whole conversation has to happen. And I'm, like, anxious. So I'm like, no, it can't be like this. You know what I mean?

Ben Platt (25:08)

Did they. Did they take the feedback?

Kristin Davis (25:10)

They did.

Ben Platt (25:10)

Good.

Kristin Davis (25:11)

Yes. Thank God.

Ben Platt (25:12)

That's what makes it feel real after all these years. Like, Sarah Jessica talks about this too. Just like, you guys take all of the details very seriously. And everyone. Because you know these women really well, so it's like.

Kristin Davis (25:20)

And everyone on the set also takes all these details really seriously. So it's really interesting. But what we had to come to, like a happy medium of it. Right. Because yes, they are teenagers. Right. Tween teen.

Ben Platt (25:33)

You're right behind them, just.

Kristin Davis (25:34)

Exactly. And also I would want them to be trying to be doing better. Right. So also in their bedroom, we had like Lily's side be really neat and rose rock. Cause she wasn't rock yet. Not be really neat. Right. So it was all very interesting. But anyway, you reminded me of that with the china. Because this really. The china stands out to people about Charlotte.

Ben Platt (25:53)

It's like emblematic because she's also like very, I don't know, optimistic and elegant and naive. And it sort of like symbolizes all of that. And that's also a really hard thing to play. Just to like gas you up for a second to play somebody that's so coming from such a place of earnestness. As someone who plays a lot of characters that are very earnest and is a very earnest person that people have. Don't have a lot of like, they don't have a lot of like a very large tank for that. Like, it fills up quickly for them. So I think the fact that you made her feel like a real person and sustained the character for so long and let us like go on the journey with her and lived in that space so consistently, it's like a really challenging, impressive thing to do.

Kristin Davis (26:33)

Thank you so much, Ben. Isn't that an interesting thing about society?

Ben Platt (26:37)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (26:37)

That people are so funny about kind of like earnest, open hearted characters.

Ben Platt (26:43)

I know. It's one of my least favorite cultural shifts, I would say, is that like everything is cringe unless there's an apathy to it.

Kristin Davis (26:50)

I know. It makes me want to cry.

Ben Platt (26:52)

Yeah. It's not the best.

Kristin Davis (26:54)

No. And I feel like people do really, really love Charlotte.

Ben Platt (26:58)

They do.

Kristin Davis (26:58)

Thank God, you know, I do. I'm glad. And I love you and your characters and I feel like we have to just keep on, you know what I mean? And even if people want to be critical and say like, cringe, cringe, this, cringe, whatever, blah, blah, blah, or she's not believable or whatever it is that they say, you just have to hang on and just do it anyway.

Ben Platt (27:18)

Because if it's coming from a Place of love and optimism. There's no, there's no downside.

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Ben Platt (27:21)

It's just a. Add positive to the world.

Kristin Davis (27:23)

Yes. Thank you.

Ben Platt (27:25)

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Kristin Davis (27:26)

That's very healing conversation for me to have at this time.

Ben Platt (27:29)

It's true. That's why I identify with her so much. Ask my husband. I'm very earnest in our home.

Kristin Davis (27:33)

I love it. I think you have permission to be earnest anywhere you want to be earnest.

Ben Platt (27:38)

Thank you. Agree.

Kristin Davis (27:39)

You know, and I want to say also, this is going to be on whatever. It's going to air, it drops after. And just like that is finished.

Ben Platt (27:50)

Oh my God. The whole thing will be done. Wow. I mean, I only have the last two to see, so I don't want to hear. But I'm very anxious to. Very anxious to see.

Kristin Davis (28:00)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I haven't seen either and you know, it's hard. It's hard.

Ben Platt (28:06)

Of course, it's a big chapter.

Kristin Davis (28:08)

It is. And it's a bit of a shock, you know, so trying to keep myself together.

Ben Platt (28:14)

I understand.

Kristin Davis (28:15)

Yes.

Ben Platt (28:15)

I have this portrait in my family's house of this clown, this like crying clown that was on my grandparents house. Because, you know, the whole thing.

Kristin Davis (28:22)

I'm familiar. Yes.

Ben Platt (28:23)

Like the, the end of every show because I, you know, since I've been doing this since I was a kid. So every time a shoot finishes or especially when you're doing a musical for.

Kristin Davis (28:30)

Like a year or two years. So intense.

Ben Platt (28:32)

And you're like breaking with a family every time. It's like it's a whole.

Kristin Davis (28:36)

It's a whole thing.

Ben Platt (28:36)

Yeah. It's like a loss in a way.

Kristin Davis (28:38)

It is. The good news with this is that we have already thought we were done a few times. And the joy of life is that we're never done in life.

Ben Platt (28:49)

Yeah, of course.

Kristin Davis (28:50)

So everyone was like, what's it like to get back together? Well, we were getting back together on the set, but we had been together the whole time.

Ben Platt (28:56)

Yeah. These are real friendships. These are life friendships.

Kristin Davis (28:58)

Thank God. You know what I mean?

Ben Platt (29:00)

It's very special.

Kristin Davis (29:01)

The pain is that I love making what we make. So it's sad not to make what we make.

Ben Platt (29:07)

Of course.

Kristin Davis (29:07)

Like I would make whatever we wanted to make with these people until I die. Of course, if I was given that choice.

Ben Platt (29:14)

Well, when you find a happy, like, fulfilling environment, you never wanted to.

Kristin Davis (29:19)

No.

Ben Platt (29:19)

Because they're few and far between.

Kristin Davis (29:21)

It's true. As much as everyone tries to be that in our industry, it's not always gonna hit.

Ben Platt (29:25)

Not always gonna hit the Bullseye.

Kristin Davis (29:26)

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, you can have a great time and it cannot turn out.

Ben Platt (29:29)

Well, or you can make something incredible that everybody loves and it was a miserable experience.

Kristin Davis (29:32)

Exactly. Which often is the case, I find. Right.

Ben Platt (29:36)

Like, it's hard to find the.

Kristin Davis (29:37)

Definitely. Definitely. Anyway, thank you. Thank you. We're having some therapy on the podcast.

Ben Platt (29:42)

That's what I'm here for.

Kristin Davis (29:43)

I appreciate it so much. Okay, now we're gonna go back to this episode, La Dolor Exquis, which aired in 1999. Which is crazy to say that out loud, right?

Ben Platt (29:54)

I mean, I don't know. I was six years old.

Kristin Davis (29:58)

I love it.

Ben Platt (29:59)

I realistically probably watched it somewhere like 2009, 2010.

Kristin Davis (30:03)

Got it. And how did you start to watch? Was it. The Sisters had it on.

Ben Platt (30:07)

So my sisters watched, especially my oldest sister, Samantha, watched it, like, in real time. And I always knew it sort of in the background of my life, but I was obviously a little mature for me. And then when I was in, like, you know, early high school and figuring out who I was as a queer person and developing my own taste and wanting to watch something that I thought was funny and culturally interesting, and it sort of, like, came back into my mind. And again, because my sisters, it's always there. Like, they have trivia games and merch, and so it's always was there in the back of my head. And so I started to watch it, and then I used to watch it every night before I went to sleep and just burned through the series.

Kristin Davis (30:41)

Love it.

Ben Platt (30:42)

And then since then, I'm, you know, I can't really count on my hands how many times I've gone through and watched it.

Kristin Davis (30:47)

Amazing.

Ben Platt (30:47)

I probably have it a lot more.

Kristin Davis (30:48)

Memorized than you do, which is great. And that's what I started to say. Also the fact that it is now comfortable food comfort watch for people. If you had told us this in the beginning, we never would have believed you. Like, for us, you know, people were, like, so upset with us in the beginning, which people forget now. Right. They think, like, oh, of course it was amazing in the beginning. No, everyone was like, who are these women? Who do they think they are?

Ben Platt (31:12)

I was gonna ask Beth if it was received, how it was received initially. Cause my other show that I always return to and that I'm obsessed with is Girls, which is sort of like a metaphorical of the show. And, you know, I think Lena's brilliant. And it was sort of a similar thing. I mean, I loved it the first time around, but where I think people are rediscovering it and reappreciating how daring it was and how interesting and original and 100%. I feel like this is maybe sort of the same thing of like, maybe we didn't appreciate quite at the time, like to center these women and the way you were centering them.

Kristin Davis (31:41)

I think it was so shocking in the beginning. And really, if you think that this is something I'm thinking a lot about now. Our world has changed so drastically with social media. Right. Where literally everyone is a critic and everyone has a platform. Right. Back then, there were like a handful of white men critics predominantly. Maybe a few others at the big newspapers. This was the thing or the magazines. Right. So, like, we knew we had filmed the whole first season before it had aired.

Ben Platt (32:10)

Oh, wow. There was no pilot situation. It was just.

Kristin Davis (32:12)

We did film a pilot and then they took like a year, a year and a half. Something in my mind too long to pick it up. But they did pick it up.

Ben Platt (32:19)

You shot the pilot and went away for a year.

Kristin Davis (32:21)

Mm.

Ben Platt (32:21)

So the second episode is a year later.

Kristin Davis (32:23)

Mm.

Ben Platt (32:24)

I gotta go rewatch it and leave that in mind.

Kristin Davis (32:25)

Roughly. Roughly. Roughly. Sarah's Harris Brown in the pilot.

Ben Platt (32:28)

Yes, I remember.

Kristin Davis (32:29)

Yes. Now she tells me that I might be wrong, but this is like 1997. That we filmed the pilot. No one can find the paperwork like it exists somewhere. And I forgot to ask Krist Ulbricht, who was running HBO then.

Ben Platt (32:43)

We were still analog at the time, 100%.

Kristin Davis (32:45)

We were. We had to wait. Willie and I waited at the test for our very thick contracts. Seven year contracts to be printed by the fax machine.

Ben Platt (32:54)

Oh, my God.

Kristin Davis (32:54)

Because the fax machine broke. And so we had to wait and wait and wait. No one was allowed to go in until you had your big contract.

Ben Platt (33:01)

Do you remember the other people that were testing against you?

Kristin Davis (33:03)

It was no one. Well, there was one girl who was there testing against me, though I really didn't perceive it that way. Cause in my mind, I was 100% Charlotte and no one was gonna come close. Though I do know another actress who's really wonderful who ended up being on another HBO show who I do think tested, though she wasn't there, which was good because I did know her and that would have been weird. Perry Reeves. Do you know Perry Reeves?

Ben Platt (33:25)

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Kristin Davis (33:26)

Yeah, yeah. Perry was in the mix.

Ben Platt (33:27)

Oh, great.

Kristin Davis (33:28)

Would have been perfect and wonderful. But at the time I was like, back everyone up because I'm getting this part.

Ben Platt (33:35)

As soon as you read it, you were like, this is for me.

Kristin Davis (33:37)

Yes, yes. But luckily Willie was there, so he was entertaining me and I was not freaking out in the way that I would have been. And then there was a guy there who ended up being. He was reading for Mr. Big, but he ended up being Big's toxic friend who would be like, that bitch.

Ben Platt (33:52)

I. Oh, at the dinner at the Il Cantonori, I think.

Kristin Davis (33:55)

So is he. That he has two toxic friends.

Ben Platt (33:57)

He always has a toxic friend.

Kristin Davis (33:58)

Exactly. But this was like the really handsome guy. I cannot remember his name right now. Anyway, he was there and Willie was there and then maybe like two other women. I think like a potential Samantha, because I think at that point Kim had said no. And so people were stressing about that. Anyway, doesn't matter. It was at, you know, the buildings, the tall buildings in Century City. The twin. Yeah, yeah. It was when HBO was there.

Ben Platt (34:20)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (34:20)

I know. So whenever I drive by, I'm like, oh, the beginning, the beginning. Anyway, back to the episode. So we are here. And the idea here is that first of all, I want to say this. Do you know Alison Anders, the director? Allison Anders directed this. She was an indie film. This is in our indie film era.

Ben Platt (34:37)

I see.

Kristin Davis (34:38)

We had an indie film era in the beginning. Like Nicole Hofssner.

Ben Platt (34:41)

Oh, of course. Yes.

Kristin Davis (34:42)

I always recognize the name of the. That was our gig for a while.

Ben Platt (34:45)

That's cool.

Kristin Davis (34:46)

Then we start mixing in the Sopranos guys. So we got Ellen Coulter, Ellen Taylor, you know, a bunch of. Oh, my God. Van Patten. Timmy Van Patten. Amazing. Amazing. So then we kind of shift a little bit and then we get this incredible Charles McDougal British guy. Like, amazing. But then we've still got like indie Women, which was great. And Alison was one of those Gas Food Lodge was big in the 90s and it was like right before this. And I can't remember that much about it except that she was so cool. She had tattoos everywhere and she's like a mommy. Like a mommy presence, but funny and offbeat mommy.

Ben Platt (35:22)

And so, like, it's a really well directed episode, right?

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Kristin Davis (40:58)

Okay, let's talk about the episode. Yeah, so this episode is directed by Alison Anders and it's written by someone named Ollie Levy. And I'm sorry, I don't know who that is. Like sometimes I'm just like, I see names. I'm like oh, I don't know who this person was.

Ben Platt (41:09)

Was it like a room? And then different people would write about this.

Kristin Davis (41:13)

I think they had a room and it's Michael Patrick and Ollie Levy and they would have a room beforehand and then when we were working in the beginning, it was Darren and Michael. Then Jenny joined. Soon Cindy comes, but not quite yet, I don't think Cindy Shupack. And then Cindy and Jenny become executive producers as well. And then slowly we start adding in people that last. Right. But I'm sorry, Ollie Levy was not one of those people who lasted or maybe had just been in the room. Exactly. So this also, we've got some incredible guest stars. Will Arnett, very funny little baby face.

Ben Platt (41:47)

I know. So handsome.

Kristin Davis (41:48)

Oh, my God.

Ben Platt (41:49)

Really funny. And it's so good.

Kristin Davis (41:51)

So dreamy. So well cast.

Ben Platt (41:52)

So well cast.

Kristin Davis (41:53)

So well cast. And James Urbaniak.

Ben Platt (41:55)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (41:55)

I don't know if I'm saying his name right.

Ben Platt (41:56)

I think it's Urbaniac.

Kristin Davis (41:57)

Thank you so much. Urbaniac. That sounds better. And weirdly, both of those people end up on the Office.

Ben Platt (42:03)

Oh, yeah.

Kristin Davis (42:03)

Isn't that crazy?

Ben Platt (42:05)

That is bizarre.

Kristin Davis (42:06)

Another show I love so much.

Ben Platt (42:07)

And I also really like James on Difficult People. If you haven't watched Difficult People, it's a really funny show. I haven't seen Billy Eichner, Julie Klausner, Kola Scola. Really, really like satirical funny.

Kristin Davis (42:18)

He's very good at that.

Ben Platt (42:19)

Very.

Kristin Davis (42:20)

So the thing that I find really funny about this, and we're gonna be technically rewatching, but I just wanna say that, you know the whole thing with the Internet and the feet.

Ben Platt (42:27)

Yes. Huh? Of course. WikiFeet.

Kristin Davis (42:30)

I mean, all of it. Right. Like to the point where I have some. Some lovely girls. I call them my digital girlies. And they come over and help me film stuff for social media. And they cut my feet out of everything. And I'm like, why do you guys. It's like the best part of the outfit. Why are you putting my feet out? They're like, we can't. We can't put any feet of any of our people on. And I was like, is that bad? And they were like, yes, it's that bad.

Ben Platt (42:49)

The Internet is a show. It's.

Kristin Davis (42:51)

I know, but it's like an early. An early version of it.

Ben Platt (42:55)

Truly.

Kristin Davis (42:55)

Shoe salesman is willing to give Charlotte free shoes if she tries shoes on.

Ben Platt (43:01)

I know.

Kristin Davis (43:02)

And then we have this really awkward scene where he's theoretically, potentially having such a shoe experience, though. I remember so much stress about how we were going to do that, that it wasn't just going to be awful.

Ben Platt (43:17)

I was gonna say it's very funny, tasteful, uncomfortable. I think it's real. And James does a really great job.

Kristin Davis (43:23)

He does a great, great job. He does a great, great Job. And I do not think I was that nice to him. I'm just gonna be really honest. I think that I was not in love with this storyline.

Ben Platt (43:31)

Yeah, you were probably feeling really anxious about it.

Kristin Davis (43:33)

I was feeling very anxious. And like, what are we literally actually doing right now? Like, I get the theme of the show, but like, what? Like what? And I remember that, like, you know, he massages my feet at one point. And I don't think he. I don't know what he wanted or what he didn't want. Because also I was just like, what? And I remember them saying to me, like, he's a really big deal in the indie film world. Like, be nicer to him. And I'm like, I'm having trouble because to me. And I don't really think of myself at all as a method actor. But like, I am very introduced to.

Ben Platt (44:05)

Him as this guy.

Kristin Davis (44:05)

Exactly. Yes. By the storyline. Like, it's very hard to jump over.

Ben Platt (44:10)

Yeah. When that's your first context for someone.

Kristin Davis (44:12)

Right. And you don't have any other context for them. Do you know what I mean? It's not like we're hanging out enough in a different setting or whatever. Anyway, I was really stressed, really stressed about this. But I think when I watch it that it works.

Ben Platt (44:24)

It really does work. And also, again, to bring like only a character that's as pure hearted and naive as Charlotte, could we watch go through that and be like, oh, you poor thing.

Kristin Davis (44:34)

Totally.

Ben Platt (44:35)

I get why you're saying yes, they're gorgeous. You know what I mean? Like, we go on the journey with her.

Kristin Davis (44:38)

Well, that was my other thing is like, would she say yes? But the way he plays it too. It's pretty charming.

Ben Platt (44:45)

Yeah, it is.

Kristin Davis (44:45)

Considering what he's actually asking. Like, he goes about it in a way that isn't like.

Ben Platt (44:51)

No, there's an elegance to him, definitely, that matches up with her that she thinks and really start to turn that corner till the very end, that last.

Kristin Davis (44:58)

And then it's not as horrific as it could have been. No, no, no, no, not at all. Not at all. So anyway, thank you. That was good. We just did Charlotte storyline. Now, someone else pointed out to me that Samantha doesn't really have a storyline.

Ben Platt (45:08)

No. She kind of opens the episode and then that's it for this.

Kristin Davis (45:11)

Right. But she's got that whip, which is fantastic. But I think it's important to mention, and this is something that one time I was doing one of these and I was like, wait, where's Charlotte's storyline? She didn't have One. Right. Because we had storyline A, B, C, D because there were four of us, and the show's only 22 minutes.

Ben Platt (45:26)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (45:26)

It's insane what they were able to get in there.

Ben Platt (45:29)

It's true.

Kristin Davis (45:30)

But one thing that I've been watching the development of is that as writers, what they started developing, and it hasn't totally gelled in this episode. We have a theme in this episode that's very, very accurate and excellent for the different, you know, storylines. But what starts happening as we go is the. The voiceover. She'll say something like. And then uptown. And they'll cut to me uptown and downtown. They'll cut to Samantha downtown. And, you know, on the east side or whatever, there'll be Cynthia. And they're really, really quick, and they pull it all together. But we're not totally firing on all those right now. So some people might have the D storyline, which is very much less. And so that would have been Samantha. But then usually what we're doing is filming two episodes at once so that we can crossboard the locations. Because in New York, the locations are the thing, of course. So we could have one where we're outside maybe that restaurant and then inside that restaurant.

Ben Platt (46:25)

Maybe pretend.

Kristin Davis (46:27)

Yeah, we might pretend it's a different place, or we might dress a corner of the restaurant differently so it doesn't look so identifiable. And you probably have a good storyline in the other episode if you didn't have a storyline in the one. But it's hard when you're watching it, of course, to know that or whatever. But it's not like anyone was meaning to leave Samantha out. Of course, no one was mean to.

Ben Platt (46:47)

But it's still finding itself. And there are those magic episodes where it's like all four stories are really inherent to the theme and they all feel really irrevocable from each other. And I totally get it.

Kristin Davis (46:59)

And the reason in this particular episode that there's not as much time is because the Carrie and Big storyline, it's a big turning point, is massive.

Ben Platt (47:06)

It's one of the biggest turning points.

Kristin Davis (47:07)

And it is so unbelievably good.

Ben Platt (47:10)

It's really good.

Kristin Davis (47:11)

And Sarah Jessica, if she hadn't been winning awards, which actually, at this point she hadn't been completely. One needs one for this particular episode.

Ben Platt (47:19)

Yeah. Really amazing. I mean, let's just start with the meme. You know, it's a very popular meme. Carrie out the door with the hat on the way.

Kristin Davis (47:26)

Oh, well. As well it should be. And can you believe his reaction?

Ben Platt (47:29)

Like two. Well, that's kind of why they were so special together. Because he lets her come to him.

Kristin Davis (47:36)

It's so bad.

Ben Platt (47:37)

Which makes us hate him.

Kristin Davis (47:38)

I hate him so much. I want her to beat him with that.

Ben Platt (47:40)

But then we get it. Cause we're like, listen, we've all been there.

Kristin Davis (47:42)

Totally. We've all been there. We've all been there.

Ben Platt (47:45)

There wanted to be the chaser.

Kristin Davis (47:46)

And I didn't know this was a meme, but I totally get it.

Ben Platt (47:48)

Oh, yeah, it's big. You'll search it after we do this.

Kristin Davis (47:50)

Okay, I will. I will. Cuz her with that outfit, with that whip and that hat is good.

Ben Platt (47:54)

Cuz then she appears at the door again with the beret and the McDonald's.

Commercial Announcer 2 (47:57)

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Ben Platt (47:58)

Which is also a meme.

Kristin Davis (47:59)

Which I totally get that one. So. And I mean, I get them both. But the thing that's funny with the big thing is. So when I first started with the first season, I'm like, big is so awful. Big is so awful. It was really this. A huge thing for me because I had never second guessed it ever. Obviously, I was in it.

Ben Platt (48:15)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (48:16)

But obviously we've all known Biggs and. Or different versions of Biggs.

Ben Platt (48:21)

Of course we still know them.

Kristin Davis (48:23)

Right. It's like, very true still.

Ben Platt (48:26)

Yes. Yeah, of course.

Kristin Davis (48:27)

It's so annoying.

Ben Platt (48:28)

Of course.

Kristin Davis (48:29)

So I'm very identified with Carrie through all of this. Right.

Ben Platt (48:32)

We all. I mean, we all are.

Kristin Davis (48:33)

Right, Right. And that's why she's such an incredible character. And whoever wants to criticize her can just like, whatever.

Ben Platt (48:39)

I think a lot of that comes from people recognizing things within themselves that they don't like that they see mirrored by kids.

Kristin Davis (48:43)

Oh, how mature. How mature.

Ben Platt (48:46)

Say it again. I love heroes that are complicated. Much like, not to always bring it back to Girls, but much like Hannah Horvath on Girls, who also does a lot of challenging things, but we all.

Kristin Davis (48:53)

Do challenging things 100%. And it might be hard to accept those sides of ourselves, but that's a.

Ben Platt (48:59)

Much more interesting person than just perfect.

Kristin Davis (49:01)

Perfect. Absolutely. Well, also, we would never have a show like, have you seen the. There's some guy on Instagram and. Or TikTok who is like, this is how people want Carrie to be.

Ben Platt (49:12)

She's like, nobody to find this.

Kristin Davis (49:14)

It's really, really funny. He's like, I'm gonna call my therapist. I'm not gonna call my friends and talk to them about Big. I'm gonna call my therapist and I'm gonna not shut up.

Ben Platt (49:23)

I'm shocked. All my shoes.

Kristin Davis (49:24)

Exactly. It's really, really entertaining. Anyway, back to the show. Back to the show. So what I love so, so, so much. So, okay, we start the show. The first season I've been like, big's awful. That's basically every episode. Then the second season, he's amazing.

Ben Platt (49:42)

Yeah. He starts to come around like, oh, thank God.

Kristin Davis (49:44)

He's so charming and they're so great together and I was so happy. Then we have this beginning of this episode. She's there in that outfit and he's just like, bleh, bleh. Which obviously then is the engine that pushes her to the wall where she finally says all the things she's been wanting to say and realizes her own issues in terms of trying again and again and again to get him to.

Ben Platt (50:09)

Do, to be considered in his life in a real way.

Kristin Davis (50:12)

Absolutely. Oh my God. You're hired to be here every week, Ben with these insights. But what I love. So here I am not remembering the episode right? And just starting from the top and being like, oh my God, I don't remember being at that bar. This must be the thing that people keep talking to me about. That's an M bar. And look at my hair. That's hysterical. That I say. She's like, what's your kink? And I'm like, I kinked my hair. It's so Charlotte.

Ben Platt (50:32)

It's perfect.

Kristin Davis (50:32)

It's so perfect and I love it so much. Don't remember any of it.

Ben Platt (50:35)

Amazing.

Kristin Davis (50:37)

Remember all the shoe things. Don't remember the S node.

Ben Platt (50:40)

You don't remember the spanking, the waiter. You don't remember the guy tied up in the chains?

Kristin Davis (50:45)

Nothing. I'm sure it's 5am it might be 7am like we were all night every night and all those things. I have no memory whatsoever. Which is interesting cause you'd think I'd remember that.

Ben Platt (50:57)

No, it kind of makes sense to me that like the things that we would consider to be the like shocking, like oh, you must remember this like salacious thing. It's like, no, you probably remember this like two hander thing that you couldn't get and it was four in the morning. Like, you know what I mean?

Kristin Davis (51:09)

Definitely. It's the random stuff that you're remembering. It is true. It is true. And also I think because I was, you know, nervous and confused about my own storyline that I, that I, that I. That took my attention. And I also do remember the scene that you're talking about where it's the three of us walking and talking because I was so excited to be there because sometimes Charlotte's left out. And I was like, I'm here in the middle.

Ben Platt (51:30)

It's wonderful.

Kristin Davis (51:31)

Like even when we were doing it just like that, if Miranda and Carrie had a walk and talk, I'd be like, why am I not there? And now that I'm rewatching, I realize that the Miranda Carrie storyline of walking and talking is a through line that is so powerful.

Ben Platt (51:45)

It is really powerful. A couple of friends walked a couple of blocks. Just wait. You have so much. I mean, I know, right?

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Kristin Davis (57:36)

So Carrie has this scene where she goes to Big in her incredible outfit and she's trying to be funny and fun and sexy.

Ben Platt (57:42)

And the night goes okay. I think they like, they hook up, they sleep together. And then in the morning he.

Kristin Davis (57:48)

That he. That he's maybe gonna go to Paris for months. She asks him if he will go, if he wants to do a Hampton share because Charlotte has asked her to do a Hampton share. And he says, oh, I can't cause I'm going to Paris. And she's like, what? And she's standing on the bed and then she leans forward, which is so cool and interesting. Cause you know, most directors would be like, don't stand on the bed. You know. But this is why the show is so awesome.

Ben Platt (58:08)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (58:09)

Right. She's standing on the bed in her cute vintage slip, which I love so much. And she is so good and so deeply, you know, upset and thrown and trying to hold it together.

Ben Platt (58:20)

She's really good at. I mean, she's an amazing actor altogether, but she's really good at, specifically at receiving information, which I always think is a really hard thing.

Kristin Davis (58:27)

Yes.

Ben Platt (58:27)

Information that, you know, as a person, as a human being, you already know. Like making it feel like it's being heard for the first time.

Kristin Davis (58:34)

Yes.

Ben Platt (58:34)

And she's really expert at that.

Kristin Davis (58:36)

She is expert at hearing it and also expert at covering. But also it's just enough covering that the audience is with her.

Ben Platt (58:44)

They know what she's going through.

Kristin Davis (58:45)

Right. It's a very, very fine line to walk. And she's amazing.

Ben Platt (58:49)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (58:50)

I mean, I always knew this, but rewatching, I'm like, even more. Wow, wow, wow. Okay. Then he says, oh, yeah, it might be for years. He's such a dick. I'm sorry. I'm so mad at him.

Ben Platt (59:00)

I know.

Kristin Davis (59:01)

I get so mad at him.

Ben Platt (59:02)

It's the avoidant. It's the like, emotionally unavailable Avoidant. Like. Like, it's just the way. It's the way. First of all, it's not, like, relationship ending to say, my work is gonna take me to Paris. And I think we're in a weird space where I don't know how to handle that. And I don't think it's time for you to move. But maybe, like, he doesn't have any of that language. It's just, like, I have to be able to just throw things out and, like, do what I want.

Kristin Davis (59:26)

Right. I'm gonna do what I want.

Ben Platt (59:27)

Otherwise, I'm threatened.

Kristin Davis (59:28)

Absolutely. Absolutely. He doesn't take her into consideration in any way, shape, or form, which is why she does what she does the rest of the episode, which. Thank God. Right? Thank God. Okay. Oh, wait, I have to bring up Stanford for a second.

Ben Platt (59:41)

Of course.

Kristin Davis (59:42)

Love this storyline so much.

Ben Platt (59:45)

So much. And, you know, I was like, young queer person figuring myself out and doing my first dating and stuff. So, like, to see just, like, a regular, sweet, like, not Mr. Perfect Superhero man, like, go out and try to, like, have an experience like that. It was so wonderful.

Kristin Davis (60:02)

And it's like, before the apps. Right? So he's online.

Ben Platt (60:05)

I know. It's like Proto Apps.

Kristin Davis (60:07)

I know. It's the cutest.

Ben Platt (60:08)

Big tool for you.

Kristin Davis (60:09)

Big tool for you.

Ben Platt (60:10)

Rick nine plus. Rick nine plus.

Kristin Davis (60:12)

Oh, my God, it's so good. And the way that Willie does it is just so sweet.

Ben Platt (60:18)

So sweet. He just wants connection.

Kristin Davis (60:19)

I know. He just wants connection. And he's intimidated, which I understand so much from a straight woman, but also from a gay man's perspective, obviously, many gay men. Friends. And the pressure is real.

Ben Platt (60:30)

Oh, my God. Of course. Especially the body stuff. Like, specifically having it be a story where he has to. He's like, in order to have this experience, you gotta strip down and just bare it all. And then he has a really great, like, flirty encounter. It's just, like, so affirming.

Kristin Davis (60:41)

It's really so affirming and beautiful. And the way he does it is just so good. And another thing that I didn't really realize at the time because Willy was straight and stressed sometimes about how to play Stanford. I think he'd be okay with me saying this. I hope so. He and I were gonna do a rewatch podcast. I know. Yes. The week that we decided to do. And just like that, we were supposed to sign our contract.

Ben Platt (61:06)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (61:06)

I know. Let's not cry together. It's gonna be bad. I'm gonna have trouble.

Ben Platt (61:09)

He's.

Kristin Davis (61:10)

I know.

Ben Platt (61:10)

I know. He's Around.

Kristin Davis (61:11)

I know. So we were gonna do a rewatch podcast, which would have been so much fun, but he was really worried. Cause he thought he was gonna get in trouble because he had, like, no filter in life. I don't. Did you get to work with him?

Ben Platt (61:23)

No. I just admire him from this, but never.

Kristin Davis (61:25)

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And cr. Incredible human being and funny and cutting. Like, super smart and cutting in life that comes across. Yeah. I mean, Stanford is incredibly sweet compared to Willie. Willie was sweet, but, like, could also, like, cut to the bone. Do you know what I mean?

Ben Platt (61:40)

Sounds like my husband.

Kristin Davis (61:41)

Oh, love it, love it, love it. So we were gonna do this podcast together, and he had said to me after we ended up doing. And just like that. Instead, basically, it seemed too weird to do both at the same time. And we didn't think we'd have time, which is true. And I didn't know that Willy was sick at the time, though. Willie knew. And he said to me, one of the things he was worried about was that when he signed on to play Stanford, in his mind, Stanford was gay, but it wasn't the whole essence of him. He was, in this world, equal. Yeah.

Ben Platt (62:13)

It's about the relationship and the. Yeah, yeah.

Kristin Davis (62:15)

And then there were times he felt that certain people encouraged him to be more flamboyantly gay than he had wanted to be originally. And there was a person that Stanford was based on who was in our world and would come to our parties and stuff, who you never would have ever known was gay. And I think he was like a lawyer or something. Like, he. Stanford's a manager, vaguely. Of models or whatever. Vaguely.

Ben Platt (62:42)

The perfect underwear man.

Kristin Davis (62:43)

Exactly. The boner, maybe. Something like this. But this guy was not in any way flamboyantly gay. And the idea was that Stanford was based on him in some vague way. And so Willie's struggle in the beginning was that sometimes people he felt would come up to him and be like, gay it up. Gay it up. And he felt like, is that right? Is that wrong? I don't know what to do. And he was worried about talking about that because he didn't want to ruin Stanford for people or make people uncomfortable about it. But when I look back on his performance, to me it's just the most beautiful balance.

Ben Platt (63:21)

Yeah. I think it's so well calibrated.

Kristin Davis (63:23)

Right.

Ben Platt (63:23)

And I'm not. You know, I think it's like a. It's like a snowflake in terms of the whole, like, queer people playing queer people, straight people playing queer people. I think it's case by case. Clearly, there was plenty of queer people in the creative, like, space making this feel like a real person and writing him as a real person. Clearly, Willy's coming at it with a lot of talent and humanity. Like, in this case, I see it as such a positive representation of somebody who's also, like, you know, or neurotic and nebbish y like me. So obviously I connect to him, but just in terms of, like, an actual person who's not just, you know, I love a snarky gay assistant who's there to just be a snarky gay assistant. But Stanford's like, a whole person, so I really. I couldn't agree more.

Kristin Davis (63:58)

I'm so glad. I'm so glad. You're the first person I felt safe to talk about this.

Ben Platt (64:01)

I'm so glad. We should do this once a week.

Kristin Davis (64:04)

Me too. I mean, I really. I really like. Cause he's not in the show enough in the beginning, right? Like, he comes and then he goes. And usually I'm just, like, awed by just looking at his beautiful young self, you know, and remembering him. But this episode, because the storyline is so beautiful, I love the two of.

Ben Platt (64:22)

Them in the apartment drinking the martinis and him being honest about it with Sarah Jessica, just like.

Kristin Davis (64:26)

And you can feel it so many.

Ben Platt (64:27)

Times with my girlfriends and, you know.

Kristin Davis (64:30)

They'Re friends from, like, when they're in their 20s and you so feel it.

Ben Platt (64:33)

Oh, my God.

Kristin Davis (64:34)

Yeah. And she can't stop laughing. It's so adorable.

Ben Platt (64:37)

It is.

Kristin Davis (64:37)

I'm so glad it's on film, you know?

Ben Platt (64:39)

Me too.

Kristin Davis (64:40)

Isn't it a beautiful thing?

Ben Platt (64:41)

It is. That girl and gay best friend relationship is a very sacred, special thing.

Kristin Davis (64:46)

Sacred, special thing. 100%.

Ben Platt (64:48)

And just like Anthony. But that's not this episode.

Kristin Davis (64:51)

But, but. But they. They all matter, of course. You know, and they're all different versions, and they're all real to us, and we all have them, thank God, in our lives. And it's so important. So important. Okay, I'm gonna really try not to cry.

Ben Platt (65:02)

I don't know if I'm gonna do it.

Kristin Davis (65:04)

Okay, let's get to Carrie and Big, because it's super important. This whole episode is so incredible. And I so relate to Carrie, and I so think Sarah Jessica is just brilliant.

Ben Platt (65:15)

Yeah, I agree.

Kristin Davis (65:16)

Like, so incredibly brilliant. And at this point in her life, she's happily married to Matthew, so he even still, like, awes me the depth that she's pulling from, you know, and when she throws that hamburger, which we're not at. I mean, it's so good. Oh, God.

Ben Platt (65:33)

La Filmaine de Fish.

Kristin Davis (65:34)

Yes.

Ben Platt (65:34)

Le Big Mac.

Kristin Davis (65:35)

Yes. And I love Alison Anders for making us all feel so. What I see when I look at this episode is all of us feeling very safe and comfortable and settled into our parts at this point in the second season.

Ben Platt (65:48)

And audience wise, you feel. Which always, to a certain extent, you do, but particularly in this episode, like, in the room with people, like, it feels very 100% very intimate because the show has a lot of style. So sometimes the sharpness and the style can create a bit of removal in a way that's, I think, intended. But a lot of these more messier emotions. Like in this episode, like, I felt very, like, let in.

Kristin Davis (66:09)

100% let in. And I think a lot of that is Alison.

Ben Platt (66:13)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (66:13)

I think she's. She was so chill and laid back. And I can see that in Sarah. Like, there's a take where Sarah's got her computer, but her legs are on either side and the camera's behind her. Like, it's creative and fun, and Sarah Jessica loves that stuff, you know, like, give her props. Give her. Let her do weird things with her body. Like, she's so.

Ben Platt (66:33)

Knows how to make a space feel like she really lives in that space 100%.

Kristin Davis (66:36)

Because she's a very physical actor. You know, she's intellectual and physical. It's very interesting. It's very, very interesting. It's so interesting to watch your friends too, you know, because you know them. Right.

Ben Platt (66:46)

That's the best. I mean, especially watching a friend you love and respect. Like, I made this movie theater camp with Noah, with my husband.

Kristin Davis (66:51)

Yeah.

Ben Platt (66:52)

Being part of the, you know, the cut process of that and, you know, shooting and like, just watching him work, like, it can be a really challenging thing when you're watching a friend or your person, when there's not a belief in them or, like, there's like a criticism, you know what I mean? Where it's like, it's not a talent that you really believe in. Cause it's. That makes that line as hard. But there's nothing more special than, like, someone you love as a person and you can really admire that theirs have a special ability at the same time.

Kristin Davis (67:16)

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so here we are. We're with Carrie and Big. We're with Carrie and Big. Oh, wait. Should we talk about. We should talk about the Will Arnett, because that's a pretty funny storyline.

Ben Platt (67:29)

So good.

Kristin Davis (67:30)

And so New York.

Ben Platt (67:31)

So New York. But I know what you're saying about the Episode. Sort of like that storyline could kind of go anywhere.

Kristin Davis (67:36)

Totally.

Ben Platt (67:37)

It's just its own little pocket episode.

Kristin Davis (67:39)

It is. It's not totally a game. It's kind of a game.

Ben Platt (67:41)

So funny, right?

Kristin Davis (67:42)

It's so funny. He wants to have sex in public places. So they meet at a bookstore. Basically the Strand on the street, talking about biographies. So he takes her to where Mark Twain wrote, which I think we all know as New Yorkers. Like, it's right there. We've all been there. I've never had sex there. And he wants to have sex there, which is funny. And then they have sex in a cab, which is. That's a bit of a stretch for me.

Ben Platt (68:03)

She says, take 9th Avenue.

Kristin Davis (68:04)

Yes. Which is very, very, very Cynthia, though she wouldn't be having sex in the cab, but she is very directing of the drivers.

Ben Platt (68:12)

We can suspend disbelief for the show that they somehow made it happen in the back of the cab.

Kristin Davis (68:16)

I mean, look, I'm sure people have. Of course, I have definitely made out in a back of the cab.

Ben Platt (68:20)

One of the best places to make out.

Kristin Davis (68:21)

Definitely. But not the rest.

Ben Platt (68:23)

She's a great on camera maker. Outer Cynthia.

Kristin Davis (68:26)

I will say I think she's amazing.

Ben Platt (68:27)

I mean, she's an amazing actor.

Kristin Davis (68:28)

She has no fear. She's not. Concerns whole hog 100 in a sometimes anxiety provoking way. For me, as her friend, of course. Yeah. I would be like, is anyone protecting her? You know what I'm saying? Because there's no intimacy coordinators, as we know back in the day. Just whatever. And she's like, yes, I'll do it. Yes, my feet are dirty. I don't care. Film them. Like, you know things. Well, I'm like, didn't have anyone have a wet one. Come on. Anyway, that's me, that's me. And I play Charlotte as Charlotte. Very clear, very clear. Okay, so here we are. We're. Stanford confesses to Carrie about the cyber sex, which is so cute on the Internet. Big tool for you. We've gone over all that. Then they have the. I'm back at the shoe store and his name is Buster, which is kind of hysterical. Like Buster Brown. I don't know if anyone will get that reference at this point, but I.

Ben Platt (69:18)

Know Buster Brown, but why Buster Brown in this?

Kristin Davis (69:20)

They make shoes. Oh, the youngsters. This is like from the 40s. Okay. Don't ask me why we did that, but all right. I'm getting free shoes. He's charming, but slightly ew. But that's okay. Then we have this adorable walk and talk. I'm wearing my own shirt for some reason.

Ben Platt (69:39)

Really?

Kristin Davis (69:39)

That's another thing I'm thinking about. Yeah.

Ben Platt (69:40)

Does that happen a lot when you go back home?

Kristin Davis (69:42)

In the beginning, yeah. We didn't have a lot of budget. You can see that it's getting better. The fashion is getting better. But, like, sometimes I would go shopping and I'd be like, I want shopping. So then I just take it, you know, and try to, like, it's a work in progress. Me and Pat figuring Charlotte out. It's a labor of love and being able to afford Charlotte. Yeah, basically.

Ben Platt (70:00)

Well, Charlotte has very expensive taste.

Kristin Davis (70:01)

Very expensive taste. And I'm wearing this beautiful necklace. It's a butterfly. It's got rubies. It's vintage necklace. I wore it a lot. And then at the end of the season, we're still trying to get press, which I know is insane to think about now.

Ben Platt (70:14)

I know. Crazy.

Kristin Davis (70:15)

Yes. But we had to try. Anyone who would talk to us, we'd be like, sure. Ask us anything. Do we'll do anything. Like, at one point they were like, tell us your worst dates. Which I unabashedly did. And Cynthia Nixon called me, and she was like, why did you tell them that story? I was like, well, they asked. I don't know. I felt like I had to tell them something. She's like, don't ever tell that story again. I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

Ben Platt (70:33)

Well, now it's like the currency, you know, not to get off topic, but in terms of, like, press tours and stuff, it's like that becomes more important than the movie or the TV.

Kristin Davis (70:40)

It's like 100%.

Ben Platt (70:42)

What stories are you telling? And are you cool on camera? And I know. Is it viral? And is it the tea?

Kristin Davis (70:46)

It's a crazy town.

Ben Platt (70:47)

It's like, what about the movie?

Kristin Davis (70:49)

Yes, right. Totally true. I feel like we were on the forefront of that happening.

Ben Platt (70:55)

Totally.

Kristin Davis (70:56)

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Ben Platt (76:48)

I'm only gonna ask like a few fan questions I posed.

Kristin Davis (76:50)

Go for it.

Ben Platt (76:50)

But how far into it was like being yourself around New York. No longer possible. You know what I mean?

Kristin Davis (76:57)

Yes, I do know what you mean, I would say in my mind. I don't remember it Getting difficult till third season in my mind. Third season is when we boomed. Other people seem to feel that we were already the. I. I didn't personally feel that.

Ben Platt (77:13)

Did you permeate you until then?

Kristin Davis (77:15)

I mean, I had been on Melrose Place before that. Right. Which had its own kind of culty, kind of a following. So I had some of that that would follow me wherever I was.

Ben Platt (77:27)

But I mean, like, you became like emblems of New York. So it's like true.

Kristin Davis (77:30)

And people always would say, oh, you know, no one in New York cares about actors. I'd be like, like, not really true, not really true. But that was because we were a New York show and they felt like we were theirs, you know. But I also feel now, well, no, it's different. See, like in la, I learned where to go and where not to go. Right. Like Brentwood, really easy. There's a lot of actors in Brentwood. It's cool.

Ben Platt (77:54)

Well, it's so segmented. Like in New York, it's sort of like, you're out, you're out, you're out, you're out.

Kristin Davis (77:58)

Absolutely. But there was a time where I realized I cannot walk down Madison Avenue. And that kind of sucked, you know what I mean? But like if I walked down Madison Avenue. I know, right? Like if I walked down Madison Avenue, if I actually wanted to window gaze or shop or whatever, I couldn't get anywhere. You know what I mean? It was frustrating.

Ben Platt (78:16)

Small sacrifice.

Kristin Davis (78:17)

Yeah, it was totally fine. I just had to be creative, you know what I mean? There was one time, and then I'm gonna have to get back to the show because you're too fun. There was one time we were shooting somewhere near Barney's and Sarah Jessica said, hey, do you want to go shoe shopping online? I was like, definitely. She said, let's leave our security behind. I was like, okay, this is later when we got security. At this point in time, we don't. We're just out there. Our trailers would be on the street with our characters names. And one day someone knocked on my door and I thought it was an ad. So I opened the door and it was some guy fanish type person saying, asking me. And I was like, well dad, I shouldn't be talking to you.

Ben Platt (78:55)

And I had to shut the door.

Kristin Davis (78:55)

Yeah, it was like kind of cuckoo. We changed all that as time went. But the time that Sarah Jessica went to go to Barney's, we thought we could lose our security guys. We each had one at that point. Q was mine, love him very much. Khalid was hers and she told Khalid she was gonna have lunch in her trailer and he could go have lunch.

Ben Platt (79:15)

Tricky.

Kristin Davis (79:15)

And then she snuck over to mine, and we went. But Q followed us at a distance, and we didn't know. But it was a good thing. Cause we get to Barney's at lunchtime, and we're trying to try on shoes. It's so stupid. Right?

Ben Platt (79:27)

Like, right in the.

Kristin Davis (79:28)

It's so dumb. It's lunch hour in New York City at Barney's. It's packed with women, and there's just a crowd around, of course.

Ben Platt (79:37)

And you're trying on shoes at that.

Kristin Davis (79:38)

I know. It's so stupid. And at one point, Q was hiding behind a pole, and we just see him like, do you need me? We're like, yes. Just so we could get out of the building.

Ben Platt (79:50)

The lengths you'll go to for shoes.

Kristin Davis (79:51)

I know, right? And Barneys, I mean, it was fun. We were just trying to be girls for a minute. Barneys. I know. Okay, back to the. Oh, the episode.

Ben Platt (79:59)

Okay.

Kristin Davis (80:00)

Oh, my God. You're too much fun. Okay. Charlotte. The shoe store. We're good with that. I want to get to big, because this, to me, is the fight.

Ben Platt (80:07)

The fight, yes.

Kristin Davis (80:10)

So basically, Carrie talks to us many times about. And this is when I think about the narcissistic Carrie situation. Right. Where for, like, a couple years, it seemed like everyone just wanted to criticize Carrie for being narcissistic. To me, first of all, I don't think she's narcissistic. I think that we're here.

Ben Platt (80:27)

First of all, everybody is a little bit.

Kristin Davis (80:29)

Well, yes.

Ben Platt (80:29)

Let's just say that.

Kristin Davis (80:30)

Let's say she's not more so or whatever. You know what I'm saying?

Ben Platt (80:32)

Yes. And she's, like, twisting herself to try to be what he wants her to be.

Kristin Davis (80:37)

Exactly.

Ben Platt (80:38)

Which is, you know, kind of a selfless thing to do.

Kristin Davis (80:40)

Exactly.

Ben Platt (80:41)

I'm misguided, but.

Kristin Davis (80:42)

Yes. But we all do this or have done this. Right. But also, I think, as a viewer, part of the reason you feel like Carrie's narcissistic is because you're hearing Carrie's thoughts.

Ben Platt (80:50)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (80:51)

Which I don't think people think about. Like, you're in her head.

Ben Platt (80:54)

We're getting the whole internal monologue.

Kristin Davis (80:55)

Right.

Ben Platt (80:56)

So it's like, if we were hearing that for each girl, we'd probably say the same thing.

Kristin Davis (80:58)

Exactly. Because everyone's internal monologue is narcissistic. That's kind of important.

Ben Platt (81:03)

Yeah. And she becomes, like, such an omnipotent narrator that she's sort of like, Helping us craft our judgments of what's happening with the other.

Kristin Davis (81:10)

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Ben Platt (81:11)

That's a great point.

Kristin Davis (81:12)

Thank you.

Ben Platt (81:12)

I never thought about that.

Kristin Davis (81:13)

Thank you so much. So in this particular episode, she's, like, almost sending herself up in terms of, like, there's all these quick cuts where she's, like, talking to me and talking to Samantha and talking to Miranda and Big. And I just kept trying to be what he wanted. Like, she's just going on and on and on. And it's actually really, really funny because it's, like an exaggeration of what everyone complained about later on. Whatever.

Ben Platt (81:37)

The first reaction is the. Like, her banging the table in the diner with you guys being, I can't believe I'm here again.

Kristin Davis (81:41)

Yes.

Ben Platt (81:41)

And then she does, like, the 180. She, like, calls him drunk and, like, you know, makes the wrong move. And then does the 180 of, like, being embarrassed and feeling ashamed about that. And so then she's back with you guys and being like, actually, you know what? Like, what am I.

Kristin Davis (81:53)

It's Paris.

Ben Platt (81:53)

Like, it'll be great. Like, I'll go visit him.

Kristin Davis (81:55)

She's taking. Cause that's what Charlotte said originally. Like, what's the big deal? You can go to Paris. Yeah. She does her.

Ben Platt (82:01)

She, like, goes through her seven stages.

Kristin Davis (82:02)

Yes.

Ben Platt (82:03)

While waiting for him to come back. It's like we've all spiraled exactly that same way.

Kristin Davis (82:07)

That's so right. Does she call him in this episode?

Ben Platt (82:09)

Yes. When she gets drunk with Stanford.

Kristin Davis (82:11)

Yes.

Ben Platt (82:12)

In that scene that I love.

Kristin Davis (82:13)

Oh, God, you've watched this show.

Ben Platt (82:14)

Then she calls him, and it's like, 4:00am in Paris, and she is saying a real thing and is trying to be like, you're not considered. She's trying to say what she later says, which is like, you can't factor me into your life. But because she's drunk, it just doesn't come out well. And she gets really embarrassed by it.

Kristin Davis (82:31)

And she's cranky. Cause he's asleep.

Ben Platt (82:32)

Exactly. And so suddenly she's like, uh, oh, am I gonna lose him? And so let me try to reframe this. And then she's with you guys walking, and she's like, you're right. Like this. What am I freaking out about? Like, what's the worst thing about going to Paris with your boyfriend?

Kristin Davis (82:43)

Right.

Ben Platt (82:43)

Just, like, doing her own, like, mental gymnastics to try to make it work. But this guy's giving her, like, nothing.

Kristin Davis (82:49)

Haven't we all been there so much so. And then he comes back. So that's when she Comes in her adorable beret, her French outfit. Someone asked me, how did Paris become this through line with them. And I think it's all just because we all love Paris. I mean, I would have to ask Michael Batry.

Ben Platt (83:05)

This is, I think, the first time we hear about it.

Kristin Davis (83:07)

This is the beginning of what's gonna be a very, very, very long through line of Paris. Yes. I don't even wanna say how it ends exactly. For decades. So important. But who doesn't love Paris?

Ben Platt (83:19)

Of course. I just went in the spring with my husband. The first, like, adult proper trip there. I went with my family when I was a kid. But so dreamy.

Kristin Davis (83:26)

We just went there all together to promote and dress like that.

Ben Platt (83:28)

Oh, that's. That's so fun.

Kristin Davis (83:29)

It was incredible.

Ben Platt (83:30)

That is so fun.

Kristin Davis (83:31)

It was incredible. It was incredible. So he comes back, she's wearing her beret. She has the Big Mac. Yes. The filet o fish. And she apologizes and she tells him that she thinks they can make it work and that they can have phone sex if he has to move to Paris, which is hysterical.

Ben Platt (83:48)

Yeah. We can have laphone sex.

Kristin Davis (83:49)

Yeah. Which is also funny.

Ben Platt (83:51)

Very funny.

Kristin Davis (83:51)

In terms of. And just like that.

Ben Platt (83:53)

Oh, yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Spoiler.

Kristin Davis (83:56)

Yeah. And then he tells her something to the effect of, I don't want you to move to Paris because you're expecting something. Which literally makes me want to kill him.

Ben Platt (84:07)

It's. I don't want you to uproot your life and expect anything.

Kristin Davis (84:10)

Right.

Ben Platt (84:11)

It's like, excuse me, Toll.

Kristin Davis (84:14)

It's so after the mental gymnastics, after all that she emotionally has gotten through to try to get to that point, to say, it can work. He's like, but don't expect anything.

Ben Platt (84:24)

This is the thing with Big. It's one thing to be emotionally unavailable, but be able to articulate that you have that shortcoming. And it's another thing to not have any words for it and to just be abusive.

Kristin Davis (84:32)

Exactly.

Ben Platt (84:32)

It's so sad.

Kristin Davis (84:34)

At which point she takes back and smashes it against the wall, which, you know, hallelujah. That she does it. Right.

Ben Platt (84:41)

Satisfying.

Kristin Davis (84:42)

It's very satisfying. And he deserves that and so much more, really. And then she says something like, I don't know if she says this to him. Does she say, why is it so hard for you to factor me into your life in any real way? Kills me.

Ben Platt (84:58)

Ugh. And he has no good answer. Really?

Kristin Davis (85:00)

No. Because he doesn't deserve her.

Ben Platt (85:01)

No, he does not. And then she said, you said you love me. And he said, I Do. And she's like, then why does it hurt so much? And we're back to La Dolores Cuis.

Kristin Davis (85:09)

We are. And then. And this made me upset, and I didn't remember this. Then we cut to Stanford and we have some other scenes. But then he comes to her door in the middle of the night, and she lets him in. I didn't remember the ending. Yes, she lets him in and they have sex.

Ben Platt (85:24)

They have this, like, unspoken goodbye.

Kristin Davis (85:25)

Right? And I'm like, oh, no. Because I personally don't believe in goodbye sex. I do not think you should have goodbye sex.

Ben Platt (85:30)

I don't think I ever have.

Kristin Davis (85:32)

I think I have and I didn't know it.

Ben Platt (85:36)

Is it goodbye sex if you don't know it's goodbye sex?

Kristin Davis (85:38)

They know it and you don't. Do you know what I'm saying? Because I'm Charlotte, right. At some level. Do you know what I mean? So I'm thinking that this must mean it's gonna be good now that we're okay. But it doesn't mean that it's like goodbye sex. Which is awful.

Ben Platt (85:51)

Yeah, it's honest, but it's awful.

Kristin Davis (85:54)

I don't think it's honest if you don't say it.

Ben Platt (85:56)

I just mean, like, of course she. Of course they would want. Like, there was no closure, and he has no ability to give them any closure.

Kristin Davis (86:02)

Oh, good point.

Ben Platt (86:03)

Cause he's such. He has just, like. No. You know, he's a lot of growing to do.

Kristin Davis (86:07)

Totally.

Ben Platt (86:08)

And so if this is the only kind of closure that's being offered, like, I would understand.

Kristin Davis (86:13)

Do you?

Ben Platt (86:13)

I mean, I do. If I was Carrie and I was in that kind of a web, she.

Kristin Davis (86:17)

Has a lot more understanding than I, personally, Kristin, would ever have in that moment. Because then she's sitting there in her fantastic black bra in the morning, and he says, what are you doing over there? And she's sitting there, and we hear in her voiceover that she feels tied to the chair and she can't get up because she knows it's over and that she want. He says, come back. And she says, well, I want to, but I can't. It's so good.

Ben Platt (86:38)

It is. It's really good.

Kristin Davis (86:39)

And I so admire her. Carrie's understanding, but also Sarah Jessica's abilities in that scene to convey such emotion without conveying it on her face.

Ben Platt (86:56)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (86:56)

Do you know what I mean? Like, you can feel it all, but she's not exhibiting it for him. You know what I'm saying? She's protecting herself in the scene, but you As a viewer know, were the.

Ben Platt (87:08)

This is my other fan question. I promise the last one.

Kristin Davis (87:10)

Sure.

Ben Platt (87:10)

No, were the voiceovers already recorded so that, like, you know when in the middle of the scene, someone will say something and then you'll take time to think while we hear Sarah say something. And then, like, she has to then match the timing once the cut's already there.

Kristin Davis (87:25)

Yes. So basically, when you'd read the script, they'd be there.

Ben Platt (87:29)

So we know what's being said.

Kristin Davis (87:30)

Yes.

Ben Platt (87:31)

We just don't hear it yet being said.

Kristin Davis (87:32)

Correct. And then she would go later and you'd have to ask Michael Patrick and Sarah, and I think I should ask them at some point how often they changed them. Do you know what I mean? That would be interesting because once you.

Ben Platt (87:45)

See what you have. Yeah, but that's what I was gonna say, Especially in this moment at the end, it's like there's such a good synergy between what she knows we're hearing and what she's giving to him.

Kristin Davis (87:54)

Right. But I think a lot of that is her incredible abilities, you know, and incredibly deep thinking on where Carrie's at and what Carrie's doing. And this syncing between Michael Patrick and her and Darren, too. I can't remember at what point he's how active he is at this point. But, like, even still ongoing, like, they have a lot of private conversations about this and kind of planning and discussing. And Michael Patrick was always very including to all of us, like, even if none of us have credits except for Sarah at this point. And I think she's just executive consultant, which is kind of a made up title, you know, but even when we had no titles, he would always come to us and say, this is the arc and this is what I'm thinking. And this is where I want you to be thinking about going emotionally and, you know, very inclusive in terms of that. You can feel that actor so helpful. And then sometimes it would change, but as a character, you didn't know that change was coming. So it was actually great. Do you know what I mean?

Ben Platt (88:53)

Yeah, yeah.

Kristin Davis (88:53)

And he'd call you like, I was supposed to have a baby when Miranda's also having a baby. And then it. It didn't. I know. And then it didn't.

Ben Platt (89:01)

That would have been such a different timeline.

Kristin Davis (89:02)

I know.

Ben Platt (89:03)

I mean, I love what it ended up being, but I.

Kristin Davis (89:05)

Me too. But at the time, I was really mad at him.

Ben Platt (89:07)

Yeah, I understand.

Kristin Davis (89:08)

I was like, no, she wants this. She's gotta have it. What do you mean? Because I couldn't Separate Right. From myself.

Ben Platt (89:13)

Of course. And you have such love and empathy for her. You want her to get what she wants.

Kristin Davis (89:16)

But then. And she wanted it so desperately.

Ben Platt (89:18)

She did. And it was. Was even more Exactly.

Kristin Davis (89:20)

It worked out as it should. But he originally the idea was to contrast how the two would mother.

Ben Platt (89:24)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (89:25)

And then what he said to me right at the time.

Ben Platt (89:27)

We still kind of got that eventually.

Kristin Davis (89:28)

Definitely. And when he said to me at.

Ben Platt (89:30)

The bar, the second movie, when you're at the bar talking about motherhood, that's when I. You.

Kristin Davis (89:32)

Yes. I love that scene so much. Yes. But at the time he said to me because I don't think any of our other writers, all of whom are women, by the time we get to those storylines, no one had children yet. And he said to me, we don't have enough storyline to do two because we don't have kids yet.

Ben Platt (89:51)

It's good to being honest about writing what you know is a good.

Kristin Davis (89:54)

Right.

Ben Platt (89:54)

It's a good thing.

Kristin Davis (89:55)

Exactly. You're such a joy.

Ben Platt (89:57)

Thank you so much. This has been like my dream. So fun. Thank you. Thank you for answering all my questions and letting me interview.

Kristin Davis (90:02)

You are a font of knowledge and I so appreciate it.

Ben Platt (90:06)

And you're gonna need to informative. Very special gift. This show has brought a lot of.

Kristin Davis (90:10)

Community in our show.

Ben Platt (90:12)

I know we have another show for.

Kristin Davis (90:14)

You to be on.

Ryan Seacrest (90:15)

Great.

Ben Platt (90:15)

Sounds good. Internet. Have you ever met Michael Patrick Randomly, I think at Chisiana, like at a restaurant.

Kristin Davis (90:22)

Got it.

Ben Platt (90:23)

Justin said how I'm a huge fan, but we've never really sat down.

Kristin Davis (90:27)

Well, I'm keeping a list. Let's just make sure we officially ask you. Are you a Charlotte?

Ben Platt (90:36)

Oh, I'm very much a Charlotte.

Kristin Davis (90:39)

Cause how many people have written a song basically based on their. On their Charlotteness?

Ben Platt (90:45)

Yeah, I think I kind of win the crown.

Kristin Davis (90:47)

I think you totally do. Well done. Well done, well done. Thank you for being here.

Ben Platt (90:52)

Oh, my God. Of course.

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Kristin Davis (94:03)

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