Peach of an Episode with Tamara Tunie… (S2 E6 "The Cheating Curve")

Summary

Podcast Title: Are You A Charlotte?
Episode: Peach of an Episode with Tamara Tunie… (S2 E6 "The Cheating Curve")
Release Date: July 21, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this episode of "Are You A Charlotte?", host Kristin Davis invites special guest Tamara Tunie to delve into the nuances of their experiences on "Sex and the City", particularly focusing on the episode titled "The Cheating Curve". Together, they reminisce about memorable moments, behind-the-scenes insights, and the enduring impact of the show on conversations about women and relationships.

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Guest Introduction and Connection

[03:09] Kristin Davis:
“Welcome everyone. We have the amazing Tamara Tunie joining us. She plays one of Charlotte's power lesbians and you will know her from Law and Special Victims Unit.”

Tamara Tunie brings a wealth of experience, having portrayed the medical examiner in "Law & Order: SVU" across 230 episodes. Her multifaceted career in acting and directing adds depth to the conversation.

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First Impressions and On-Set Memories

[07:51] Kristin Davis:
“I remember coming to read for the role and seeing Sarah Jessica come by to greet us. 'I just thought, yeah, that's classy.'”

Tamara shares her initial interactions on set, highlighting the camaraderie and professionalism among the cast. They discuss the unique environment of filming in New York City, balancing theater and television work.

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Behind the Scenes of "The Cheating Curve"

Art Gallery Scene

[15:05] Tamara Tunie:
“I love that the show begins with the power lesbians, which I love so much.”

They dissect the iconic art gallery opening scene, praising the directorial choices of John David Cowles. The gradual filling of the gallery with characters symbolizes the emergence of diverse voices and perspectives.

Flea Market Conversation

[30:05] Tamara Tunie:
“Samantha says, 'Men cheat the same reason why dogs lick their balls because they can.'”

The duo explores the philosophical debate on what constitutes cheating, emphasizing the subjective nature of the concept. They reflect on how these discussions remain relevant decades later.

[33:24] Kristin Davis:
“In a perfect world, that would be fantastic.”

This quote underscores the idealistic yet challenging nature of maintaining personal integrity in relationships.

Carrie and Big’s Relationship Dynamics

[40:38] Tamara Tunie:
“She's looking at him with such passion but trying to keep a lid on it.”

Kristin and Tamara analyze the evolving relationship between Carrie and Big, highlighting moments of vulnerability and growth. They discuss how their on-screen chemistry laid the groundwork for future developments in the series.

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Themes and Social Commentary

Empowerment and Representation

[13:52] Kristin Davis:
“You know what I mean?”

The conversation delves into how "Sex and the City" broke societal norms by openly discussing topics like women's sexuality, relationships, and empowerment. Tamara emphasizes the show's role in "freeing women to speak more freely."

Cheating and Conscience

[35:47] Tamara Tunie:
“You carry it, whether you get caught or not.”
[35:51] Kristin Davis:
“Whether you get caught or not.”

They discuss the moral implications of cheating, stressing that personal conscience plays a crucial role in how individuals navigate their actions, regardless of external judgments.

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Legacy and Impact of the Show

[60:01] Tamara Tunie:
“It is amazing.”

Reflecting on the show's enduring legacy, Kristin and Tamara acknowledge the initial skepticism regarding its syndication potential. They celebrate how "Sex and the City" defied expectations, influencing contemporary media and paving the way for more diverse and women-led narratives.

[62:32] Kristin Davis:
“That's a really good point.”

They commend the shift in leadership dynamics within the entertainment industry, advocating for more women and people of color in decision-making roles to continue the progress initiated by shows like "Sex and the City."

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Final Thoughts and Conclusion

[63:00] Tamara Tunie:
“All right. I like that. Happy note to end on.”

As the episode draws to a close, Kristin and Tamara share heartfelt reflections on their journey with "Sex and the City." They express gratitude towards the fans and acknowledge the unpredictable nature of the entertainment industry. The conversation ends on an optimistic note, celebrating the show's lasting influence and the personal growth experienced by its cast.

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Notable Quotes

• Kristin Davis [07:51]:
  “I just thought, yeah, that's classy.”

• Tamara Tunie [15:05]:
  “I love that the show begins with the power lesbians, which I love so much.”

• Tamara Tunie [30:05]:
  “Samantha says, 'Men cheat the same reason why dogs lick their balls because they can.'”

• Tamara Tunie [35:47]:
  “You carry it, whether you get caught or not.”

• Kristin Davis [13:52]:
  “You know what I mean?”

• Tamara Tunie [60:01]:
  “It is amazing.”

• Tamara Tunie [63:00]:
  “All right. I like that. Happy note to end on.”

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Conclusion

This episode of "Are You A Charlotte?" offers an in-depth exploration of "Sex and the City" through the eyes of Kristin Davis and Tamara Tunie. Their candid discussions provide valuable insights into the show's creative process, thematic depth, and its significant role in shaping modern conversations around women's lives and relationships.

Transcript

[Kristin Davis]

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[Tamara Tunie]

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Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Everyone, welcome. We have the amazing Tamara Tuney joining us. She plays one of Charlotte's power lesbians and you will know her from Law and Special Victims Unit. She played the medical examiner and she did 230 episodes. Wow. She's also been on Broadway. She's a director, actor, an incredible person. Such a joy to have you. How are you doing?

[Kristin Davis]

I'm fantastic. And thank you for having me. And yes, it's my pleasure. I love that episode and I just love saying power lesbian.

[Tamara Tunie]

I know, right? It's fun, isn't it? It's fun. It gives you a whole sense of like why Charlotte was interested in trying to prot. Tend to be one, you know?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Still feels that way today. I love your hair. Can I just say thank you?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Incredible.

[Kristin Davis]

I appreciate it. It's its natural state, color and curl and I'm just happy that I put away the dye bottles and going on natural.

[Tamara Tunie]

I dream of that someday. Someday I will do it as well. Are you still playing that same character on all of those SUV and, and whatnot? Law and Order?

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no, no. I haven't done Law and Order for a few years now. A couple of years now. I did 20. I did 23 seasons.

[Tamara Tunie]

Unbelievable. I mean, as the same character. Correct.

[Kristin Davis]

As the same character. But however, the past two years, I did pop over into Chris Maloney's version of SBU Organized crime and as Melinda Warner with my natural hair color. Yes. Love it.

[Tamara Tunie]

That's amazing. I mean, how wonderful and rare. And what a joy that you've gotten to span all of those different iterations of that show.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I mean, and it's not unlike your show in that it's the gift that keeps on giving. And I am very, very grateful for that.

[Tamara Tunie]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. I love the. You're kind of just the quintessential New York actor where, you know, you've had these incredible opportunities on these incredibly New York shows.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And the beauty of being in New York Also is, while I was doing Law and Order svu, I was also doing as the World Turns back in the day, and at one point appearing on Broadway and Julius Caesar all at the same time. And only in New York City can an actor do that.

[Tamara Tunie]

Incredible. Wow. I mean, it's just a. That's just like a dream.

[Kristin Davis]

It is. It is. It's a pinch yourself moment, you know?

[Tamara Tunie]

Well, I do know. I absolutely know. And that's one of the things that we have loved so much about doing our show in New York. Not only is New York a character, as everyone always mentions, but you have access to these incredible actors. And especially in the beginning of the show, you know, it was another show added because there were the soaps, the old fashioned, old standing soaps. Then there was a phase, like in the late 80s 90s of sitcoms, you remember, there was like, Michael J. Fox. I was gonna say, yes, Cosby, of course, previously, but that was kind of would come and go. And I don't feel like sitcoms lasted. They moved more to Los Angeles for a while. Yes, absolutely. And then, of course, Law and Order started, which started, you know, many versions and svu, you know, so many versions and so many actors employed there, which was wonderful. But we were a comedy that got to come in single camera comedy as opposed to the sitcom. But the level of actor who's available to come onto the show was so high, you know, so impressive.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I mean, come on, it's New York City. It's the cream of the crop. Right. And you know, those shows like Sex and the City, like Michael J. Fox's shows and even the soap opera. I mean, most of us in New York City come for theater, and, you know, theater just doesn't afford you the opportunity to, you know, pay for your lifestyle in New York City.

[Tamara Tunie]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So then all the film and television, of course, was. I always considered it like the subsidy in order for me to do my theater.

[Tamara Tunie]

Absolutely, absolutely. And such a dream for any actor.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

No question.

[Tamara Tunie]

So what do you remember before we actually recap the episode? What do you remember about coming on the show? Like, had you seen the show? Did you know the show at the time that you came on?

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, of course. Who didn't know the show? Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

Well, because it was early days.

[Kristin Davis]

It was Early Days, Season two. Right, it was season two. And yes. And so, of course, you know, the show was a juggernaut. And, you know, everybody loved the show and everybody knew about the show. And I just remember, I remember coming to read for the role. I Remember distinctly coming to read for the role and sitting outside the casting office and Sarah Jessica kind of coming through to go on her way somewhere, and how she stopped and said hello to me and to whatever other actor was out there with me. There weren't a lot of us hanging out, but she stopped and said hello. You know what I mean? And I just thought, you know, yeah, that's classy, you know, nice, and, you know, and that's what I do. So I love that that's what she would do. So that was. That was my first encounter. Right. So then, you know, coming onto the set and then meeting you. And the first scene was in that art arts gallery. And, you know, that was on location somewhere down in soho. Right, As I recall.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And then meeting you, and you with your charming, sweet self, you know, who, you know, just like Charlotte is just a dear.

[Tamara Tunie]

Thank you.

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[Kristin Davis]

And you, warm and welcoming and, you know, we just had such a great time shooting it, so. And then, you know, I just loved the. I just love the reveal of the power lesbians. Right. And under, you know, underlined by your voiceover, when you. Where our backs are looking at some artwork, and then we turn and we.

[Tamara Tunie]

It's so good, you know, it was incredible.

[Kristin Davis]

It was cool.

[Tamara Tunie]

It was so good. I had forgotten that part. I remember the episode for a few, obviously very odd reasons. One is that I got to wear flat shoes, which was, like, so exciting. Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Prada loafers. Prada loafers.

[Tamara Tunie]

Prada loafers. Which I still have. Okay. And I was just like, beyond excited. And Pat let me wear pants, but that was also very unusual. So I was having just the most relaxed and best time hanging with the ladies. And then I loved the idea of the story. And I think that people think of Charlotte, especially in the beginning, as being this Prud. And I, of course, understand why compared to some of the other characters. But at the same time, she's so open, you know, and she really wants to. Like she says numerous times during the episode, it's just so great to be surrounded by this energy and not have to be worrying about men. Like, I love that so much, and I personally feel the same way.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And I'm sure so many people can identify with that, you know, so many women can identify with that. It's just a different vibe being around women, especially just all women, you know?

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So. Yeah. So it was really cool. And not. And not concerned about men or talking about men, you know, I'm sure it was very refreshing for Charlotte.

[Tamara Tunie]

It was great. And Then it's just kind of so sad when the super, super powerful power lesbian asks her if she eats, you know what? And she was like, no. And she goes, well, you know, then you're never gonna get to. What does she say? You're never gonna get to come to Vail or something like this. Which is literally like, you can't hang with us. You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, are we allowed to quote what she said?

[Tamara Tunie]

You can. You can. I am Charlotte. So it's hard for me to say, you can say whatever you want, Tamara.

[Kristin Davis]

Because it was a total drop the mic line. I mean, and it was out of nowhere, and it like, cut to the chase. And she said basically, because Charlotte was saying, oh, you know, I just love being around women and it would be so great to come and hang out with you on fail. And, you know, ET ce. And basically she said, listen, if you don't eat pee, you're not a dyke, and walked away.

[Tamara Tunie]

That's right. That's right. That's right. I love that you can't say it either. It's so funny to me. I know. Cause you think you can. And I know that this is also how it is when you're acting. Right. Like, so many times I would have some crazy line to Charlotte when she's, like, trying to say something to the girls that has happened. And I would just be like, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

You get that little stutter.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. 25 years later, it's still true. And I had Megan thee stallion on, and she was. She doesn't say the P word.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

And I was like, but you have a whole song. And she said, but that's when I'm rapping. It's like a different personality.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a Persona. That's right. That's right.

[Tamara Tunie]

Isn't that interesting?

[Kristin Davis]

Isn't that funny? Because if I were the character, I would so easily, it would just flow off my tongue. But right now, myself, it's like, I know.

[Tamara Tunie]

Me too. Me too. Me too. Which is why it's great that I play Charlotte. But I mean, it is funny. It is interesting and funny. And someone said to me, I went on another podcast, we were talking about my podcast and rewatching, and one of the reasons that I wanted to rewatch is to see what was still true in terms of the themes and the storylines. What's still true in 2025 versus when we did it in 1997 onward. And a lot of things are still true. And occasionally there's things that we got wrong or that aren't true anymore or whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

But there's so many things that are still true. And one of the things that someone said to me was, you know, thank goodness that the show came along and freed women to speak more freely. And don't you think that that's why women can speak more freely now? And what I said was, I do. I do think that obviously, we were a cultural thing. I get that. But I also feel in my gut that, you know, those old rules were ready to fall.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

And we were just at the right time, you know, we were, like, speaking something that was already kind of happening.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, I agree. I totally agree.

[Tamara Tunie]

Or it wouldn't have been such a big, you know, thing. Like, I think it was a timing and that those were ridiculous, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Because if the social climate wasn't right at that time, you all wouldn't have been able to get away with what you were able to get away with. Right?

[Tamara Tunie]

Totally. Yes. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean?

[Tamara Tunie]

I do.

[Kristin Davis]

So, yeah, I totally agree with you.

[Tamara Tunie]

Absolutely. And I do think it's interesting that still here you and I are, many years later, can't say the P word.

[Kristin Davis]

That's just because that's how my mama raised me.

[Tamara Tunie]

It's how my mama raised me, too. I mean, yes, my mom would be, like, shocked, you know, which was a stress in the beginning of the show, because she'd be like, oh, am I going to, like, this week? And I'd be like, yeah, no, mom, don't watch it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right. You know, but at the same time, my mother would tell you, I cuss like a sailor. So, you know, we all there. We all live in complexity.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yes. Well put. Well put. I also think it's. It's, you know, what. What you're comfortable with. Like, some things you might be comfortable with and some things you might not be. And that's as it should be, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

All right. That was fun. That was kind of fun. I like that. All right, let's dive in. Let's dive in. Okay, so this episode is called the Cheating Curve, and it is directed, I believe it's the. Directed by John David Cowles, who ended up doing, I want to say five or six. Maybe you guys could look that up for me. He did a number of episodes, and he was a really fun director. I don't know if you remember him so well.

[Kristin Davis]

I do remember him. He was wonderful.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. And he does that incredible thing. I had forgotten that the show begins with the power lesbians, which I love so much. And the scene that you were talking about, the reveal where, you know, you see this empty gallery and it looks a lot like the gallery we're using in and just like that. But I can't imagine that it is, but it looks very similar. And the gallery is filling up with art and filling up with people slowly. And Sarah Jessica's giving the voiceover about Charlotte, you know, doing an art opening. And that this particular art opening surpasses a regular, you know, wine and cheese cracker thing because it is a lesbian artist and the power lesbians are there at which point you guys turn into camera and as you said, strut forward. And it's just so powerful and fantastic.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes, it was amazing. And you know what I also love because I'm a director as well and what I really loved is as you said at the top, it was an empty gallery and the way it was peopled where people just started appearing. First there was one person, then there was set, five person, then there was. And it wasn't like they walked in the room, you know, it was like the magic of filmmaking, you know, where they just magically appeared. It was cool. It was really hot. Foreign.

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[Tamara Tunie]

It's interesting because this in, in my mind, our first season, nothing had aired right. So we were just kind of working in a vacuum. We didn't really know what we were doing exactly. We had a tiny budget, you know, compared to later on, of course. And we didn't really have such strong directors in a way. Like we had a lot of kind of indie film directors. I remember them being like someone who had the hot movie at Sundance or whatever. And second season we start to get other HBO directors like Alan Coulter, who had been the episode before he came from Sopranos, John David Cole's In Here Friends. We started getting kind of more seasoned, not necessarily episodic TV directors either. Like a kind of cut above, you know, that HBO was kind of cultivating these relationships with these directors and they really made a mark, each one in the way they shot the show and.

[Kristin Davis]

Their style and approach. Absolutely. And you could see it. You could really see it.

[Tamara Tunie]

Definitely. Definitely. And I think it's so interesting because we don't always think of or talk about the directors. We talk about our writers so much because obviously there are also our executive producers and very close to us and were, you know, intimately involved in all of it. But our directors also, especially in the beginning, really made a mark. And John David Cole's definitely one of them. And one of the things I love, which is out of order, but when I so I go out afterwards to that bar and he films through like a keyhole.

[Kristin Davis]

He filmed through a pee. No, it Was. And this word I can say, because it is the proper word for it. It was like a vagina, right?

[Tamara Tunie]

No way.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Look at it.

[Tamara Tunie]

How did I not look at it?

[Kristin Davis]

It was pink and it was like a vagina. That's what it was.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, my God. I'm so dense and so sharp. Yeah. And you remember I'm dancing. And I remember him really having some very specific ideas about how I should dance. Because I was kind of going to do the kind of, like, Charlotte goofy dance. But he wanted me to do this kind of slow, dreamy dance. And I feel like he shot it in slow mo. Which was very cool.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tamara Tunie]

And such a creative. Very creative. And I remember any time way back then that we had anything dancing related. Even, like, tangentially dance. Ish. Sarah Jessica would get our choreographer to come in because she was so nervous. Because it was like her Broadway self. Right. Like, she needed direction, like, specifics. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, my God. I'm seeing a picture.

[Kristin Davis]

What are you seeing?

[Tamara Tunie]

I'm seeing a picture of what he's going through. I totally see what you're saying. Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

It's pinkish red, too. I don't know how I missed that. Yes, it is.

[Kristin Davis]

Good Lord.

[Tamara Tunie]

Good Lord. That's hysterical. Wow. Go, John David Cole. Really hysterically funny. Wow. Sometimes I'm very Charlotte. That's a very Charlotte moment that I didn't realize that. I'm sure I was so nervous about the dancing that I just wasn't even, like, paying attention.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I don't even think we saw it. I mean, I didn't. I didn't see it until it aired. So I don't even know if we saw what was being shot at that time.

[Tamara Tunie]

Cool. I feel better. I feel better. Yes. Yes. Because I was not aware. I was not aware for sure. But go him, you know? That's a great idea. I love it so much. It's very brilliant. Okay, I'm going to get back to my paper and try to rewatch. Sometimes it's just more fun to talk. So we're at the art. And then. Oh, then. Okay. It's really funny because they cut to Miranda, who's. Everyone's at my art opening. That's how the show starts, Right? And Miranda's with this guy, Ethan Watson, who is a documentarian. Which is gonna go into some funny places. And Samantha sees her. A guy from her gym there and wants to go pick him up. Which she, of course, successfully picks him up. And Carrie wants to leave because she's going somewhere and she doesn't want to tell us. And she is going to Big's house. And the thing that I love about this, when I rewatched first season, all my listeners know this. I was kind of horrified by Big because he is so withholding to Carrie, and I hadn't remembered any of that. Also, it was the 90s, and I think we as women were just very used to this. You know, withholding men wasn't like, something that we would necessarily think about. So from 2025, you look back and you're like, oh, my gosh. But what I love about second season is, number one, I feel like he's much more out of his shell. They have broken up. They're kind of slightly getting back together now. I find him so charming and much more like giving in terms of just in the moment with Carrie. But also, I love the voiceover here because as she's sneaking out to go back to Biggs, she's saying in her voiceover that she doesn't want to tell all of us because she feels bad about it because she knows it's a bad decision because he's a withholding man. And I'm like, yes. See, we just need to name it. I feel better now that it's just straight out, like, that's who he is. Let's just admit that's who he is. We know this is not smart. That doesn't mean she's not gonna do it. We all do stupid things.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, also, we all. You know, it's kind of like if, you know. If you know what you're getting into and you choose to get into it, then, you know, that's empowering, too. You know what I mean? Because it's like, you can always choose not to.

[Tamara Tunie]

Absolutely. I think that's why I like that she's naming it. Like, it's not like she doesn't know. She's saying, I know this is stupid. I know this man may not be able to give me what I want, but I'm going back because we have this incredible, incredible connection, and I'm so drawn to him. And whatever she says in her voiceover, it's, of course, more eloquently said than I just did. But I had such a sigh of relief, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

I was like, I feel better now. Yeah. I can get behind this now in a way. That first season, I felt a lot of anxiety watching, you know, but of course, I know where it goes. But still, in the moment, I was feeling so anxiety.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And let's not let's not forget that Big is incredibly handsome and sexy.

[Tamara Tunie]

So let's just not forget that part 100% and definitely. Now, see, I think that was my other issue was when I looked back at the first season, I didn't really feel that because he's so pulled back, that I was like, she's so giving and emotionally present. And I feel like he's not even sexy to me because he's so covered, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, you know, for me. I mean, for me.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Tamara, you know, I wouldn't waste my time with that kind of. With that kind of man. You know what I mean? I wouldn't waste my time. But, you know, for Carrie, it was what she needed. For whatever reason she needed it.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I think for me at the time. And again, complicated by the fact that I was playing Charlotte and Charlotte was always pro Big. So as an actor, you don't really give it a critical thought if your character's not giving it a critical thought, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And you can't judge your character. You can't judge a character.

[Tamara Tunie]

No, Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You can't judge a character. Your character makes choices and you figure out as an actor how to support those choices. But you can't stand in judgment, right?

[Tamara Tunie]

Definitely not. Definitely not. So I did not give any kind of critical thought to the big Carrie relationship. But I do love in this episode, once she does confess to us, Charlotte is like, what I was like, oh, yay. Yay. I'm so glad, because a lot of this I don't remember. I remember some things and then some things I have no memory. And I'm really just kind of genuinely getting to rewatch it again, which is so much fun. Cause it's so good. So then we go back to the gallery and. Oh, yes, yes. I'm talking about the power lesbians. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I sell out the gallery, which I have never done in my whole life. So Charlotte is doing well at her job because of the ladies, which I love so much. Oh, and then I go back to the storage room and find my, you know, kind of, eh, date making out with this young model, which is so ick. But I think that also fuels Charlotte's whole, like, I don't even wanna deal with men. I'm just gonna be around these powerful women.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Tamara Tunie]

Makes perfect sense. Perfect, perfect sense. Then we go to the flea market. This is a scene that I remember so vividly. And yes. Tell me where you.

[Kristin Davis]

And this is the scene that I love.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, do you. You tell me what you love.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, this is exactly where I was going because I love the conversation about what is cheating.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. What I remember about it, I think it's a fantastically written scene. I loved every bit of it. I love everyone's point of view. But the thing that I remember about it as an actor, this is also John David Cowles making his mark. It's a very complex scene. We're at a flea market. We're looking at things. We were always trying to be realistic, which is sometimes really hard as an actor. Then we sit down on the bench and have the more in depth conversation that's begun as we're looking at elements of the flea market. And he is able to shoot that conversation on the bench, which is not easy. But the hardest part was the flea market part, because I remember it was this very elaborate dance where, you know, different ones of us would move forward at different times. And Alan Coulter remembers kind of starting this trend with us of like, find the lens, which is hard when there's four of you. And then extras, right, that are mixed and you're having to like, oh, yeah, I have to move over here so that I'm ready to lean my head forward when my line is ready and not slow down. Right. Because Michael Patrick never wanted you to slow down because it kills the comedy.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

I remember that being like, oh, can we do it? You know what I'm saying? Like, when I look back, I'm like, oh, we're doing it, we're doing it, we're doing it. You know. But it was John David Cole's really kind of upping the game of how to block those scenes so that it's not boring, you know, and it's a dance.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's choreography. Right. At the end of the day, right?

[Tamara Tunie]

Yes, 100%. And so I love. Then they sit down on the bench and then everyone has an excellent point to make, which is that cheating is a very subjective thing. And of course, Samantha. Samantha. Everyone keeps reminding Samantha, like, well, you think the cheating's fine because you cheat. And she can't really argue with that, which is interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

She doesn't say a word. She just. She just. She just sips her lemonade or whatever she does.

[Tamara Tunie]

She rips her glasses off at one point, though, and says something, which also I was interested because Carrie and Samantha keep their sunglasses on and Miranda and I don't have our sunglasses on. But I think it's. Cause the sun is behind our head and they couldn't open their eyes looking at us, you know, those Days?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

You're just like, I can't open my.

[Kristin Davis]

Eyes, squinting into the sun. Absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

Exactly. And then when she has some important line and she rips them off, you know, because they're large, like glamorous sunglasses. And I remember all of that a lot. But. So we sit. We sit down and Samantha says, men cheat. The same reason why dogs lick their balls. Because they can. It's part of their biology, which, you know, I think that people do still kind of feel. And I just feel like that is, like, such a cop out.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree.

[Tamara Tunie]

Wouldn't that be true for women too? Like, why can't women cheat?

[Kristin Davis]

Well. And of course women do.

[Tamara Tunie]

Of course. Yeah. Like. Like it's such a weird, like, outmoded kind of a thing to say. I feel like. I mean, everyone can cheat, and some people choose to and some people don't. But there's not really an excuse to say that.

[Kristin Davis]

But also, the line was funny.

[Tamara Tunie]

It was funny. Of course it was funny.

[Kristin Davis]

The line was funny.

[Tamara Tunie]

No, good point, Good point, good point, good point, good point. And then Carrie points out that women cheat too. Of course. Like, we're. And then it's different because we aren't driven by testosterone. But, I mean, testosterone to me is, like, a very lame reason to cheat. I just don't. I just feel like, do you have a brain? Do you have a brain? I think the answer is yes. Let's use the brain.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, in a perfect world, that would be fantastic.

[Tamara Tunie]

So, so true. So, so true. And then. So we all have our different, you know, viewpoints on the cheating. And of course, Charlotte is like, no, you know, it's not okay with. I agree, it's not okay. But, I mean, life is complicated, of course. And then Carrie says someone's definition of what constitutes cheating is in direct proportion to how much they themselves want to cheat. Which is pretty funny.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

And very relevant, I think, to the Big conversation. Because that's kind of part of her struggle with Big. You know, there was the scene in the first season where he tells her he has a work thing, and then she sees him out to dinner with the woman after she spent, like, eight days at home with him. Which, to me, I would just. I would just be done, I think. I mean, I don't really know, I guess, but you know what I'm saying? I mean, that seems a struggle. That seems a struggle to me. That's part of why I didn't like Big in the beginning. But it's okay. I'm working through it. Then we go back to Carrie's apartment. And she's sitting writing in, like, a torn T shirt and her underwear. Like, it's so quintessential. I feel like this is the phase of the show where we're really solidifying certain kind of elements of what will be known as iconic in the show. We don't really know that at the time, of course, but, like, you know, we're, I think, feeling bolder about our choices, you know. Yeah, she's sitting there. She's not glamorous, but she's also not totally clothed. It's very intimate. It's her thoughts, you know, I just. There's so many things that I love about it. So she's sitting there writing and she's wondering, was Samantha right? Is cheating like the proverbial tree in the forest? Oh, this is so good that if. That it doesn't exist if there's no one around to catch you. Is it a gravity free world of anything goes and what constitutes cheating? Really good questions and really hard to answer, even still.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I agree.

[Tamara Tunie]

What do you think? I mean, does it matter if no one catches you? I think it matters.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I think it matters if you are someone with any kind of conscience, you know, and that doesn't mean you make. That doesn't mean you won't do it.

[Tamara Tunie]

But, you know, but you'll feel bad. It'll be an issue for you.

[Kristin Davis]

You'll carry it. I mean, you'll carry it, you know.

[Tamara Tunie]

Whether you get caught or not.

[Kristin Davis]

Whether you get caught or not.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah, absolutely. I agree 100%. So then we see Samantha. She goes to the gym. She has this kind of adorable thing with this big beefy guy. Oh, my gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, he was the trainer, right? He was the trainer and she was training with him.

[Tamara Tunie]

He was the trainer and she gets him to train her. And it's kind of very, you know, sexually laden at the gym. And then more happens later. And it just made me laugh because, man, I relate to all that stuff. Don't get me started. Then we're back with me in the gallery. It's the next morning, and you guys come to get the painting, which is adorable. And I find out that you're no longer a couple, but you're good friends, which I really like. And this is so true. When you look at gay women, I.

[Kristin Davis]

Think, and gay men too.

[Tamara Tunie]

Gay men too. That's right. Yeah. I love that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I mean, it may not be always the case.

[Tamara Tunie]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But certainly I have friends who have remained friends with their exes and good friends.

[Tamara Tunie]

With their exact family members. Right? Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

I love that so much. And what a perfect world that would be if we could all be like that. And that's when you guys out. Me ask me out for drinks. Oh, and this is when I go out all night and dance, I think. And I make wonderful new friends, which is really fun. And then Miranda is on this date with this guy, Ethan. Oh, my good Lord. So they're. Oh, I just love the scene. They're walking down the beautiful Village street at night, and he's talking in depth about Shoah versus Schindler's List.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Tamara Tunie]

And she has the absolute most serious face. And she is quiet for, like, an entire block, which literally never happens with Miranda. Like, she just has no expression on her face and nothing to say as this guy rattles on, rattles on, rattles on, but passionately rattling on. And then she just kisses him, which is so cute and very innocent in a way. And then they end up back at his apartment. They're making out. Making out. And then he turns on the TV onto a porn tape, as she calls it that. And he says, is this okay? And she's like, sure. And then come to find out that this is, like, a deal breaker for him, that it must have porn. But, yeah, I think this whole thing is funny because at that point in time, I don't think that porn had kind of reached the, you know, kind of common ground that it is now, where, like, porn. You're just like, oh, yeah, porn. You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah, it happened. It hadn't happened yet. Like, this guy had porn tapes that he had ready in his tv. And what he later says to her, which I think is kind of heartbreaking and sad, when she's like, no, I want you to be having sex with me, not these women on the television. And he goes, well, but I just met you. And some of these women on the television I've had relationships with for years.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tamara Tunie]

You just feel bad for that guy.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Tunie]

He has a porn addiction.

[Kristin Davis]

He totally has a porn addiction. And it's. And it's kind of pathetic, but at the same time, there are so many people who have relationships that are, you know, virtual, if you will.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, on that level, you know.

[Tamara Tunie]

I know it was ahead of its time. That episode, I think it really was.

[Kristin Davis]

It really was. It really was.

[Tamara Tunie]

Really, like, so much so that you. You have to think back, like, oh, yeah, porn used to be, like, shocking.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. And you know what? I'm Going to digress for a minute. Just go for it. Go back to the cheating part. What I also loved about the exploration of cheating was that Carrie felt like she was cheating on her friends with Big, you know, and that. That's another. That was just another little nice nuance about.

[Tamara Tunie]

I know. I love that, too. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's so good, the confession scene, which we're coming up on pretty soon. Well, first we have Carrie at Biggs, which. Oh, my God, this scene I love so much. She's cooking for him, which is not her thing. And he's got that black turtleneck on. And this is, like, very. This is a theme that's gonna go on for quite some time with them, like, into the movies where, you know, they cook and they dance at one point. Do you remember this? Like, it's so beautiful to see the first version of it. And they both look so great. And you can tell because, you know, when you've broken up with someone and then you get back together, it's, like, so fantastic. In the beginning.

[Kristin Davis]

In the beginning, she.

[Tamara Tunie]

Look at them, you know, like, she's just looking at him with just such passion and, you know, but she's trying to keep a lid on it. But it's, like, so good. It just. I thought it was fantastic and so great to see them. And he also is just so much more fun than he used to be. Like, he's so much more relaxed, you know? And so I was pleased for her. I feel, like, pleased for Carrie in this scene. But. Oh, yeah, there are. Then we do quickly kind of get back to her trying to get him to say something, which, of course, he doesn't want to basically do. What. I mean, which is kind of annoying. And I mean, I guess, like you said, she has chosen to go back. So it is, you know, she is more kind of aware of her choices and that she is gonna get in here and try again. But I'm also like, oh, Lord. Because the whole debate is, should they go out in public, should they tell their friends? But she says, should they make it official? She says, well, what are you gonna tell your friends? And he says, nothing. Like, she's an idiot, right? Because of course, he's not gonna talk to his friends about her. And she goes, oh, right. Cause you have no friends. Which I thought was a very good comeback. And then he goes, well, what would you want me to tell them? Like, it's all very familiar, I have to say, in terms of guys, you know. Aye, aye, aye. Right. So then we have this scene walking.

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[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, this is so good. She's walking on the street after she was at Biggs and she runs into Miranda. And at seven in the morning.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yes, the walk of shame.

[Tamara Tunie]

The walk of shame fully lies to Miranda, that whole scene. And I was like, wow. First of all, I can't believe Miranda fell for this.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that's what I was gonna say, right? I was like, did she really buy that? Really?

[Tamara Tunie]

I know, I know, I know, I know. I felt the same way. I mean, I think it's because. I think it's because. So some time has passed, right that Carrie has not been with Big. So we wouldn't be thinking, like, oh, big. You know what I mean? And Miranda wouldn't be thinking, oh, Big. But I think Miranda would have been thinking like someone.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course, you're coming from somebody's apartment.

[Tamara Tunie]

You're not coming from the dentist. Like, really.

[Kristin Davis]

And you're not on your way to the dentist either.

[Tamara Tunie]

No. Like, it's crazy. It's crazy, but it's kind of adorable also at the same time. And of course, Miranda has her porn addiction boyfriend on her mind. So she talks about that. Then we go to Samantha, this scene, adorable. His name is Thor, the trainer. And the trainer basically says that he. That he doesn't. That he's never slept with the client before. This is a fantasy of his. And she's like, oh, fantastic. And then he says, you know, let's shower. Because I think they've just come from the gym, right? So they go in the shower. He's washing her legs, which is quite fascinating. And then he says, are you a dirty girl? And they cut to Kim and she has just the best look on her face. She just looks up.

[Kristin Davis]

Up.

[Tamara Tunie]

She's like, well, that depends how you define it, I guess. And then he said. And then she says, oh, had I known we were going to be doing this, I would have shaved my legs. Something like that. And he goes, oh, well, you know, I can do that. Like, it seems very organic how it happens, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Tamara Tunie]

So he's shaving her legs, which she seems to find sensual. I have never let a man shave my legs. I was. I'd be scared they were gonna cut me. I mean, I was like, wow, she's very trusting.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I never thought of it as foreplay. So I don't know.

[Tamara Tunie]

I never would think of it as foreplay or even just, like, something that I would be like, oh, yes, go ahead. I don't think I would do that. I don't think I would do that. I would be very scared that I would have a lot of cuts on my legs and private parts. Because as he goes up, he's like, especially, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

I mean, geez Louise. So he's going up her leg and he says something like, you know, I don't even know if he asked. He just keeps going. And she looks like it's exciting, which I'm just like, ja, I'm scared. So he, we find out later, cuts a lightning bolt into her pubic hair. And the thing that I love the most about this is that she then goes and talks to Miranda and Carrie about it. I guess Carrie's in the bathroom at her apartment, but she's telling Miranda about it and she says something to the effect of, you know, this is a big thing now. People are really, you know, changing how they take care of that area down there. And man, is that an understatement. Like, this was the beginning, okay, of that whole waxing situation that we went through for quite some time. And then I thought it went away and then it seems like it's back. I'm not really sure. I would love for some young ladies to tell me how they feel about it on the Instagram page. Big savings, bold vehicles, and the perfect time to make your move. That's what the Hyundai getaway sales event is all about. And it's happening right now. Whether you're looking to upgrade your daily commute, prep for a summer of road trips, or finally make the switch to electric, Hyundai has a lineup that covers every lifestyle, every budget and every kind of driver. Hyundai is rolling out incredible deals on some of the most award winning vehicles like the versatile Kona, the sleek Tucson, the Road Trip ready Santa Fe and the fully loaded family favorite Palisade. Prefer a tech savvy sedan. The Elantra is packed with features and the Sonata is Hyundai's most advanced yet. It's a serious standout. And for those ready to go electric, Hyundai is leading the charge. The all electric Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 deliver bold design, ultra fast charging and seriously impressive range. All while qualifying for potential EV incentives depending on your state. But here's the part that really sets Hyundai apart. It's not just about what you drive off the lot, it's what comes with it. Every new Hyundai is backed by America's best warranty. A 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain, limited warranty that's industry leading coverage that brings real peace of mind. And with three years or 36,000 miles of limited complimentary maintenance on every new 2025 model. Hyundai keeps delivering long after you've driven off the lot. You're not just buying a car, you're getting value, confidence and a company that truly has your back. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details. Offers end September 2, 2025 Time for a sofa upgrade?

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[Tamara Tunie]

So she's telling they're in Carrie's apartment. Oh God, I forgot about this scene. Carrie's in the bathroom. She's not coming out. Samantha and Miranda are discussing this, this shaving situation. And then I show up in my headband and also a weird tube top. I'm like, Whoa, so 90s. Very rare, very rare. I have a coat over it, thank God. And at a certain point, Carrie has not come out of the bathroom. So they're like, what are you doing? Is everything okay in there? And she says, no, actually not. You know, I have this new diaphragm and it stuck. I remember this so well because there was a lot of stress about this. There's a lot of conversation and stress if this would ever happen in life. I believe that one of the writers did have a story that it was based on, which was that the writers had to have some personal experience or a friend with personal experience for it to be considered plausible and enough to be in the show. So they were there advocating, yes, this could happen. And so it is decided that Samantha will be the one to go into the bathroom and help her. And all of us are like, oh, yeah, you know, I have like a crazy look on my face and then it's over. But it was really something that people do seem to remember and I think it's really funny and great, you know I don't know if it's realistic or not, but I think it's funny and great.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, it's like, you know, what will your friends do for you?

[Tamara Tunie]

That's right. That's exactly right.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right.

[Tamara Tunie]

And they should do whatever you need. And Samantha's there for her, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. So then we walk down the street and it's one of the first walk and talks that I remember with all four of us walking multiple blocks and having an important scene. And that came to be also a staple. And so hard to do because everyone has to be perfect in the master. And that might take many, many blocks. And you have to walk and then you have to stop and go back.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

And do it again. And you have to hope that no one drives by and honks at you. And usually it's the wee hours, you know, that we're doing those. Which is why there's, like, no way.

[Kristin Davis]

Especially in Times Square.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yep.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is where that scene takes place.

[Tamara Tunie]

Exactly. Exactly. And you couldn't. Generally. I don't remember this particular time. But I remember later on we filmed in Times Square and you couldn't start till 10 or 11 at night. They wouldn't give you a permit. So that's when you're beginning those scenes.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right.

[Tamara Tunie]

So we would be there all night.

[Kristin Davis]

All night.

[Tamara Tunie]

All the night long.

[Kristin Davis]

All the night long.

[Tamara Tunie]

All the night long. That was the job. So this is when she. Carrie, confesses to us that she was with Big. And we all stop and we're just like, what? And we say all kinds of really funny, funny things. She tells him about Big, they get upset. We say our opinions. He's an. I say that. I say, carrie, he was such an. To you. So I'm like, yes, Charlotte, yes, that's great. And then we say, you know, why are you sneaking around behind us? And then Carrie walks away because we're so upset. And then she goes back to Apartment and she says, the problem is my friends are right. And you see her walking back and forth kind of struggling inside herself with the fact that she knows that we're right but that doesn't mean that she doesn't want to do it. Which I think is so relatable. Obviously, we all do things that we are not 100% about but we're still driven to do them. That's how life is. Then we go to Charlotte. Going to that very, very fancy mansion with that crazy statue with all the lesbians, which I love so much. And I'm Sure. That this Patty Aston, who's supposed to be, like, the queen bee of the power lesbians. I'm sure she was based on someone, but I don't know who, because I know. I think Darren wrote this episode. I should check back. I'm pretty sure Darren wrote it. And I love it. I love everything about it. That she's so powerful and so rich and it's only women in this place.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

Love it. And then I finally meet Patty, and then, oh, Telluride. It's not Vail, it's Telluride. And they're like, oh, her house. And Telluride is so amazing. And I'm like, oh, I'd love to go. Because I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I want to be part of this group. And then Patty asks if I'm gay. That's a very funny way that my producers wrote this down. And Charlotte says that I'm not. And then I say, you know, but I just love the company of all the women. And it's so safe and warm. Which is so true. It's so true. And then Patti's just like, no, if you don't eat the pee, you can't be in the group, basically. And Charlie looks really sad.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Then, oh, poor Samantha goes to the steam room at the gym. And there's a naked lady in there with a lightning bolt shaved into her private area. And lady's all mad. And she gets up and she says, he's such an. Or some such. And then, you know, Samantha realizes that, yeah, she. It was all an act on this trainer's part. He was just going through all the clients.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

Never a good feeling, even for Samantha. Then Miranda is back at the porn guy, and he. She's decided that she's had enough. She asked him to turn it off. This is when she says, it's either them on the TV or me. And he says, you know, the ladies on the TV I've had a relationship with for years. And it's just kind of sad. And she leaves. And he turns the TV back on.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, he does.

[Tamara Tunie]

Gosh, I wonder what happened to him. Then we cut to this beautiful scene with Carrie and Big. And they're dancing, and I don't know where they're dancing. It's such a glorious, like, old school.

[Kristin Davis]

That's a supper club that was such a staple in New York City. Absolutely.

[Tamara Tunie]

So great. So great.

[Kristin Davis]

Beautiful spot.

[Tamara Tunie]

They're dancing beautifully. There's not many people there. It's kind of intimate. And she's talking again about how you know, are they seeing each other again officially? And he's like, what does it even mean? And then he says, well, why don't you tell me why we broke up in the first place? Place? And she says this great monologue that he doesn't hear, but we hear, the audience hears about how could he ever love her the way she wants to be loved? It's really deep. But then she says, but I took the easy way out. And I said, I guess I was afraid. And I thought that was so good. And I feel like I have done that in life so many times. You're basically putting it on yourself. You know what? It's actually questions you have about them. You're making it seem like it's your own. Your own issue.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. You're responsible.

[Tamara Tunie]

Right. You're responsible for it. And it's about your lack of strength or insecurities. Your insecurities, absolutely. Which kind of hurt me to watch that. And then he says, but I did miss you a lot. And that seems to make her happy, you know? And then she says, did you cry, which I love so much? And he says, no, but I did listen to a lot of Sinatra.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Tamara Tunie]

She's so him. And, like, the thing that I think about is, like, that is his way of answering. That's what he can do. You know what I'm saying? He can't cry. And he certainly can't tell her that he cried, but he can tell her, I listen to a lot of Sinatra.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tamara Tunie]

That is who that man is. Right, right. She wants to be there with him.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Tamara Tunie]

And I think that's good. So I love the episode so much, and I just think it's beautiful. And so, you know, there's like, such a kind of an innocence about it, you know, Even though we're dealing with these topics, you know, this. You know, porn and this and that, and shaving, public pubic areas, you know, whatever, like, things like this. But at the same time, there's like a. Like a sweetness about it that I love to see. And it takes me back to kind of the newness of it all as a show, you know, it's nice. It's a good one. I'm so happy that you were on it with me.

[Kristin Davis]

I was so happy to do it. It was. Was. It was a pleasure. It was such a joy to do. So much fun. It was so much fun.

[Tamara Tunie]

I know. I wish Charlotte could have just been a little bit bolder and stayed in that group a little longer somehow.

[Kristin Davis]

That's But I think, you know, one thing we miss. One of the. One of the friends asked her if. If she told the lesbian she was not a lesbian. And she was like, well, you know. No, it doesn't matter what the.

[Tamara Tunie]

Right, right.

[Kristin Davis]

I love that.

[Tamara Tunie]

I love. No, I know. And they're so right where they're like, no, you need to tell them you're leading them along. And she looks like, like, what? I can actually be leading women along? And wait, also, doesn't Miranda have something really funny where she says, like, when I was 14, I kissed this girl, blah, blah, blah, and it was really fun. I was like, oh, my God, did we remember that? And just like that, I don't think we did. Because, yes, there was something there. Should have taken Miranda to the power lesbians party. Little did we know where we would all be going many years later.

[Kristin Davis]

Many years later. So many years later, which is so fabulous. Congratulations to you all, you know.

[Tamara Tunie]

Thank you. We're so lucky.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I mean, you never thought, you know, when you first signed on to that show that the legacy that is created, you know.

[Tamara Tunie]

No, we never would have dreamt. Yeah, never.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Tamara Tunie]

It is amazing. And we're so thankful to the fans, really, you know, because we could have gotten canceled. I mean, anything could have happened, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. You know, this business. I mean, even if the show was popular, if new leadership comes into a company and they decide, well, that's not my baby, you know, I want to put something else there, you know, you're out. So it's true. It's really.

[Tamara Tunie]

We've been through many leadership also.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So that's fantastic.

[Tamara Tunie]

It is, it is, it is. And also, I just remember so many things about, like. Like, I remember there was a time where they said, you know, the show's not gonna make it to syndication, partly because we were hbo, which didn't have a track record in this way, and partly because they said, you know, women led. Shows don't travel. And then we became this huge international. Yes, right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Like, so many rules. So called rules that we ended up breaking, thank God. And then they very quickly forget. And then the next thing comes along and breaks when they're like, oh, my God. And they're like, no, you guys. Like, there's this and then there's this and there's this, like, oh, my gosh. But it's hard to change things.

[Kristin Davis]

It is. But something always comes along. I mean, when you say that, you know, I think about Black Panther and I think about the myth of how, you know, Black led Films, et cetera, don't do well internationally or whatever, you know, and then Black Panther comes along and just blows it out of the water.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. And then look at sinners and now.

[Kristin Davis]

Sinners and now sinners and now sinners, you know, which is just incredible.

[Tamara Tunie]

And then again, they're like, oh, my God. And you're like, no, not oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, it's a surprise. You know, unfortunately, what we have and have had now is we don't need to necessarily rely on the marketing departments of the studios because that's where black led things or women led things get stuck because they don't put the finances behind marketing it, you know, and. And so now that we have social media and the word of mouth is now, you know, digital and all over the world, then, you know, they're not necessarily in control anymore how a film or TV show is received because the audience really has the steering wheel. So I think that's amazing.

[Tamara Tunie]

I think that's a really good point. I think the thing that's still frustrating to me is when you're pitching the things that they're like, mm, hmm, yes. And you're like, you guys, come on.

[Kristin Davis]

And that boils down to leadership. Who's making the decision, you know, and getting more women, more people of color in leadership positions who can greenlight stuff. As we know. As we know.

[Tamara Tunie]

And also there is the thing now, too, where you can also make your own thing. It may not be in such a huge way. Right. But as a calling card, as a way to get your foot in the door. You can create your own content in one way or another.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And people are doing it now with their cell phones, so.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right. I like that. Happy note to end on. It's been so great having you. Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure going down memory lane with you.

[Tamara Tunie]

It was a pleasure. I love to see you sending love, love to you in New York. Continue on. I will be watching.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Actually, I'm in Atlanta because.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, you're in Atlanta.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I'm shooting the new daytime drama beyond the Gates. So that's what's keeping me here. Yes.

[Tamara Tunie]

Amazing. Are you baking?

[Kristin Davis]

Baking, baking.

[Tamara Tunie]

Is it a.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, it's a thousand degrees.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yeah. I'm from South Carolina, so my mom has been keeping me updated on the temperature.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, the temperature is the same here as it is in New York right now.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. It's like 100 degrees. It's 100 degrees in both places.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, my gosh. Well, I would never know. You look fresh as a daisy.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. That's cause I'm inside and air conditioning.

[Tamara Tunie]

Love it, love it, love it, love it. Well, good luck on this job. Fantastic.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Tamara Tunie]

You're welcome. Thanks for being with me.

[Kristin Davis]

It's been a joy.

[Tamara Tunie]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Kristin Davis]

Pleasure.

[Tamara Tunie]

I look forward. Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Till next time.

[Tamara Tunie]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Bye. Bye.

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