Rabbit, Rabbit with Mario Cantone... (S1 E9 "The Turtle and the Hare")

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Are You A Charlotte?"
Episode: Rabbit, Rabbit with Mario Cantone... (S1 E9 "The Turtle and the Hare")
Release Date: April 7, 2025
Host: Kristen Davis
Guest: Mario Cantone

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Introduction

In the ninth episode of the first season titled "The Turtle and the Hare," host Kristen Davis welcomes special guest Mario Cantone to discuss Sex and the City's beloved character Charlotte York. Together, they delve into a rewatch of episode 109, exploring its themes, character development, and behind-the-scenes anecdotes that make this episode a standout in the series.

Rewatching Episode 109: "The Turtle and the Hare"

Kristen Davis begins by introducing the episode, noting that it was directed by Michael Fields and written by Nicole Avril and Sue Kalinsky. She humorously apologizes for not recalling Mr. Fields' previous work, setting a lighthearted tone for the discussion (02:56).

Key Scenes Discussed:

1. The Wedding Scene:
   The episode opens at Brooke's wedding, characterized by its 80s-inspired décor and hairstyles. Kristen reminisces about the challenges of filming on a tight budget and the realistic setting of a real coffee shop in Long Island City used for the wedding (04:32).

2. Carrie's Relationship with Big:
   A significant portion of the episode focuses on Carrie questioning why Big got married, leading to introspective conversations about settling in relationships. Kristen emphasizes the importance of not settling, stating, "In my mind, you should never settle" (06:19).

3. Samantha's Storyline with Bernie (The Turtle):
   Samantha's attempt to help Bernie improve himself by addressing his bad breath and other quirks sparks a discussion on her nurturing yet unconventional approach. Kristen finds this portrayal both perplexing and endearing, highlighting Samantha's complexity (09:22).

4. Charlotte's Career and Personal Life:
   Charlotte's dedication to her gallery is a recurring theme, illustrating her professional ambitions contrasted with societal pressures to prioritize marriage and family. Kristen and Mario discuss how Charlotte's commitment to her work serves as a foundation for her personal growth (37:52).

Themes and Discussions

1. Settling in Relationships:
The episode poignantly addresses whether individuals are settling in their romantic lives. Kristen connects personally with this theme, advocating for fulfilling relationships over societal expectations. She reflects, "It's stressful... People think that this is gonna make you happy" (06:53).

2. Financial Independence and Partnership Dynamics:
Kristen and Mario explore the significance of financial independence within relationships. They stress the importance of maintaining separate finances to ensure balanced power dynamics, preventing dependency and fostering mutual respect (38:44).

3. Personal Growth and Change:
The conversation touches on the evolution of characters over time, mirroring real-life growth. Kristen shares insights into her character's development, noting how initial naivety gives way to maturity and a stronger sense of self (23:30).

Behind-the-Scenes Insights

1. Filming Locations and Challenges:
Kristen recounts the experience of filming at the Pleasure Chest and navigating the logistics of on-camera props. The authenticity of real locations added depth to the show's setting, despite practical challenges like holding items close to the camera (13:16).

2. On-Set Relationships and Dynamics:
The camaraderie between cast members, including Kristen's interactions with co-stars like Jenny Bix and Oliver Hudson, is highlighted. Mario shares anecdotes about collaborative writing and the supportive environment that contributed to the show's success (41:20).

Personal Reflections and Real-Life Parallels

Kristen draws parallels between the show's themes and her personal life, emphasizing the importance of honesty and communication in relationships. She and Mario discuss maintaining individuality within partnerships, advocating for mutual support without compromising personal aspirations (23:28; 38:44).

Conclusions and Takeaways

The episode concludes with Kristen and Mario reflecting on the enduring relevance of Sex and the City's themes. They affirm that the show's exploration of modern relationships, personal fulfillment, and societal pressures continues to resonate with audiences today. Kristen encapsulates the essence of the discussion: fostering relationships based on honesty, communication, and mutual respect remains paramount (34:14).

Notable Quotes

• Kristen Davis: "In my mind, you should never settle." (06:19)
• George M. Johnson: "I can't buy the [relationship]. I would never marry someone I know for money." (36:54)
• Kristen Davis: "I want my relationship to be based on honesty and communication." (23:28)

Final Thoughts

"Are You A Charlotte?" Episode "The Turtle and the Hare" offers an insightful and engaging analysis of Sex and the City's intricate relationship narratives. Through personal anecdotes, character dissections, and thematic explorations, Kristen Davis and Mario Cantone provide listeners with a rich understanding of the show's impact and its continued relevance in contemporary discourse on love and fulfillment.

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For those interested in delving deeper into the themes of relationships, personal growth, and the nuanced dynamics portrayed in Sex and the City, this episode serves as both a nostalgic journey and a thoughtful examination applicable to today's societal context.

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Time Stamps Reference:

• Each notable quote is referenced with its corresponding timestamp in MM:SS format based on the provided transcript.

Transcript

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[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? We are here at are you a Charlotte? With the fantastic guest Mario Cantone. And we are going to rewatch episode 109. It's called the Turtle and the Hare, and it is directed by Michael Fields. This is the second episode directed by Mr. Fields, who, unfortunately, I have no memory of. I'm very sorry, Mr. Fields. And it is written by Nicole Avril.

[George M. Johnson]

And Sue Kalinsky, who I did stand up comedy with years ago.

[Kristen Davis]

No, both of them. No, Stu Kalinsky, who I think I've met.

[George M. Johnson]

Yep. We worked together many times with. While Michael was at the club at the Improv.

[Kristen Davis]

So there's a connection because this is the season when our writers weren't really with us necessarily. They had written in la. Darren had had a writer's room in la, and scripts would come and we wouldn't necessarily meet them unl every other year. Right. And Jenny, at this point, we rewatched last episode 108 with Jenny. That was her first. Jenny Bix. That was her first episode. And she reminded me that she had been a consultant. She'd been brought on. She'd been. That was her episode to write. And then she was a consultant. So it was her, Darren and Michael in a room, which is kind of amazing to think about. And I hadn't really remembered that she had been around first season, which is.

[George M. Johnson]

Kind of a. Jenny, after Sex and the City put me on two seasons of Men in Trees. No way. Yeah. Which was very nice of her. She called me up. She was like, come on.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, she's the best.

[George M. Johnson]

She was great.

[Kristen Davis]

She's the best. Okay, so this is a very interesting episode, as are all the episodes in the first season. Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Y.

[Kristen Davis]

So, as you know, all of us are in it, and then we have. We start at this crazy wedding. Didn't it look like it was the 80s? Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, because it wasn't the 80s, but I mean, the colors in the room and the. And also, we had no money. Like, at one point, Samantha goes to a restaurant that's supposedly the talk of the town. And I'm like, what.

[George M. Johnson]

What is that restaurant? Oh, yeah, the bar and the.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, that's like the saddest talk of the town. Restaurant I've ever seen. But we had no money in the beginning compared to, you know, later and now especially. But, you know, luckily now we have people asking us to film at the super cool restaurants because we're still recovering, you know, the restaurant business. But back in the day, not so much. No one knew who we were or what we were doing. So we begin at this where a character named Brooke, not played by myself, little bit confusing because I have previously played a character named Brooke for Darren, but no, it is not me. She's getting married, but Carrie thinks that she's getting married to someone who she doesn't really love. And this begins the thematic conversation of is everyone in New York settling in their relationships? Which is a really good conversation to have and a very, very important, I think, conversation to say, in my mind, obviously, I'm single, but in my mind, you should never settle. Like, I do not think that you should settle. You know, people are nodding at me. Yes. And I love. There's this one moment. I'm just gonna talk to you about it now. I sometimes go out of order. There's this one moment where Carrie goes out with a bride after the wedding to return some wedding gifts. And she's still trying to figure out, like, is she happy? Is she not happy? What's going on? Is she pleased with her decision or not? If she doesn't really love the guy, which doesn't seem like she's passionately in love.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, she doesn't.

[Kristen Davis]

And she says something like, what does it feel like to be married? And the broke character says, it feels like a weight has been lifted. And I felt that. I felt that. And isn't that crazy that I would still feel that today in 2025? And I know that things have changed about this, but, like, we are so socialized that you have to be paired up in whatever way that is. It might be married, it might not be married. Whatever it is, it is a social situation where people want an explanation if you are not paired up.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, sure.

[Kristen Davis]

And it is stressful.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. Right? Yeah. Especially for, I think. Well, back in my day, especially for straight people, you were gay. They were like, whatever.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But then gay marriage became.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes, it did.

[Kristen Davis]

Acceptable. And I don't know. Do you feel that pressure now? You've been married for a long time. Do you feel like that pressure?

[George M. Johnson]

No, I never felt that pressure. Pressure, because I just. I'm a coupler. I definitely was always a coupler. I wanted to be with Somebody. Right. Yeah. But when I met Jerry, it was, you know, 1990. I met him, and I was with someone else at the time. And then we were friends for a year and a half, and then I went. When I broke up with my ex, I. We started to get together, like, six months later, and it just accelerated into that. But it's. Yeah. I mean, I didn't settle. I knew.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I was like, oh, he's awesome. You didn't settle at all.

[George M. Johnson]

No. No.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, so wait. This is. Okay, so first of all, let me talk about how we look at the wedding, because what's going on with all of our hairs? My hair.

[George M. Johnson]

It's so. You look. The four of you in that corner with all the big hair.

[Kristen Davis]

Insane.

[George M. Johnson]

And it is 80s, right? It is 80s.

[Kristen Davis]

And Katie's got feathers in the back of her hair.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I've never seen that. What were we thinking?

[George M. Johnson]

And you looked all kind of like. Like there was a slight, like, punk thing.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. We're wearing black and we talk about, like, that. Well. And then they. When they cut twists at the kids table. Oh, my God. I almost fell out. Because this still happens to me. I mean, it's rough to go to a wedding at this point because I'm like, if I have to sit with those children, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do.

[George M. Johnson]

You don't want to do that?

[Kristen Davis]

I don't really want to do that. But, you know, sometimes people do get married, and I do feel like I should go, so we'll see. But I have one coming up. I'm sure she's not. I mean, if I'm sitting with my own kids, it's okay.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, sure.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, don't you hate when they mix you up, too, if they separate you. No, that you came with. I'm like, why are you doing that?

[Kristen Davis]

That's not right. Yeah. No, that's not right.

[George M. Johnson]

I want you to get to know people.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't want to get to the situation. You know what I mean? Right. They can be. But anyway, we're at this woman Brook's wedding, and we're. We're at the reject table, which is, like, so harsh. It's so harsh. We've got kids, and then we've got this man, Bernie, Turtle top, who's kind of hysterical. He's known for good investments, but bad breath. And I'm really happy. I mean, first of all, Samantha has this whole storyline with him that I found kind of perplexing I don't remember this at all. Right. But I was like, since when did Samantha try to, like, fix anyone up?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. And settle.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Even if.

[Kristen Davis]

But then luckily she comes to her senses.

[George M. Johnson]

But she kind of.

[Kristen Davis]

But is it definitely different than we see later? Like, I also thought, like, oh, Samantha also is getting kind of worked out. Right? Cause I don't ever remember that. I don't ever remember that. But the nice thing about when she takes this guy out, she dresses him differently and whatnot. And she tells him that he has bad breath. And he says very sweetly that he's taking these Chinese herbs, which I totally relate to, because I have many times in life been taking Chinese herbs, and I probably had Chinese herb breath. I don't know. But he very sweetly says that. And she's like, oh, we can work on that. And it's kind of sweet of her. You know what I mean? Like, she's very kind of mother. Yes, she is to him.

[George M. Johnson]

And she actually wants to better him.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[George M. Johnson]

Buying him the helmet.

[Kristen Davis]

And then she gives up. He's talking about those mushrooms for too long. Okay. He's analyzing the mushrooms in his dish, and there's like, six possible mushrooms. It is. And she's like, maybe no one cares. She says really sweetly. Also really sweetly. And he's like, maybe it's chanterelle or whatever it is. And then she's like, I'm out. Which is really made me laugh. Really made me laugh. But that was a very departure type of a Samantha storyline, I felt. Right. Also similar to when. I mean, not similar, but kind of similar. Earlier in the episode, she comes to my. I take her home because she's drunk and she sleeps with my doorman.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Also, I mean, very Samantha. But also it's funny to see her drunk and, like, not together. You know what I mean? And Charlotte's trying to take care of her, which is kind of cute.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And then this is the rabbit storyline when we actually went to the Pleasure Chest and filmed.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, that's right.

[Kristen Davis]

We're at the Pleasure Chest.

[George M. Johnson]

You know what's funny about this episode? I was rewatching it, and I had just seen it. Coincidentally, I had just seen this episode on HBO maybe like a month ago.

[Kristen Davis]

You're kidding.

[George M. Johnson]

And I was like. I was rewatching it. I was like, wait, I just saw this. Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[George M. Johnson]

Because I remembered the. You being addicted to the.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, I'm addicted to the rabbit, man. Departure for Charlotte.

[George M. Johnson]

A very different thing for Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

Charlotte.

[George M. Johnson]

And that's what I thought when I saw her. That's what I thought when I saw it about a month ago.

[Kristen Davis]

I just remember this was my.

[George M. Johnson]

Can't get out of bed.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I know. And my hair is a mess. You know what I mean? And I'm wearing green silk. What the heck, man? And you see, like, a lot of my apartment, which is not how my apartment was later. And I've got a big wall of books, which I think is super awesome. And where did those books go? Because now Charlotte's apartment. They're all white. They're wrapped in white paper.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes, yes. It's just a design.

[Kristen Davis]

So Charlotte. I know. So Charlotte. Anyway, back then, they were all their real bindings, which is cool. Charlotte was interesting. She. But also kind of mysterious. You're like, where's the real. Or who's the real show?

[George M. Johnson]

Where is she going? What is she going to turn into?

[Kristen Davis]

Right. I mean, and we. We of course know. But back then, I don't think she knew. Right? Because at first she's like, no, no, vibrator's not going to take you out for your birthday. A vibrator's not going to say I love you. She's like, Gives them a little speech at the very sad coffee shop. We're at the real coffee shop in. In Long Island City. That kind of scary coffee shop. Sad and scary. Do you remember? No. Yeah, yeah, I remember the coffee shop, but I don't know if it was set or not. No, the coffee shop is not a set. It's a real place in Long Island City, which. Like, in the middle of the warehouses that used to be there.

[George M. Johnson]

She was saying that, you know, it's. It's not gonna say I love you. And then all of a sudden, she's a date and she's canceling on me.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[George M. Johnson]

You do an intervention.

[Kristen Davis]

And she's a bad liar, which is so.

[George M. Johnson]

She's the worst.

[Kristen Davis]

So me, I'm a terrible liar. Terrible liar. I know. And they come and they bang on my door. And then they grabbed the vibrator, which I thought was brave.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, I was like, they were. And I do vaguely remember some conversation. I also. I vividly remember being at the pleasure chest, because I'd never been to the pleasure chest. I was like, I can't believe we're filming here. And we had to hold the thing up in our face. Right? Like. Like, you can't, you know, on film. You can't ever hold anything down here because then they have to cut to an inside. You have to hold it up it's like, right in our face. I was like, what? All of us, all three of us are just like. It's got the ears.

[George M. Johnson]

It had two prongs.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's a crazy situation. That's why they call it a crazy situation. Yes. The rabbit was a big deal.

[George M. Johnson]

I love the title. The turtle in the hair.

[Kristen Davis]

The turtle in the hair. I know, I know, I know. So I like that departure. But can I tell you what else pops up in my mind? This is what I do. I free flow my memory, and then I'm going to look at my papers. Sarah Jessica and I are doing that yoga scene, and we're in the. The top floor of Silver cup, which was empty at the time. So, like, if you were to look out those windows, you would see Manhattan in the distance, which we also filmed in last season of. And just like that. And I believe we asked.

[George M. Johnson]

It was her apartment. Was it her apartment?

[Kristen Davis]

No, it was somewhere. We were supposed to be in Brooklyn. I can't remember what thing it was, but we were supposed to be in Brooklyn so we could use the. The. The skylight.

[George M. Johnson]

I remember. We remember also what I did the scene I did with. With. With sj, Sarah Jessica, when she was gonna buy that apartment.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[George M. Johnson]

That was on top.

[Kristen Davis]

They built it.

[George M. Johnson]

They built it with the skyline.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, the one with those.

[George M. Johnson]

With too much white one.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. Yes. They built it up there.

[George M. Johnson]

That was up.

[Kristen Davis]

That's the same floor.

[George M. Johnson]

The same floor.

[Kristen Davis]

Jessica and I had been a yoga teacher before. Before I got Melrose Place. And we're up there and it's very cold. They have the air conditioning on too much. And I'm like, you guys, it's too cold. You have. The sets are often.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, it's reasonable.

[Kristen Davis]

They're having to do a lot of work. I get it. But we had to do yoga. And I remember saying, like, we need to warm up. We need to warm up. We need to warm up. But Sarah had been a dancer, right? So she's super limber. I'm pretty limber, you know, and we're just doing our stretches. Sarah Jessica pulled a muscle in the back of her leg that I still feel bad about because we had stretch. But you're acting. Pulling, right? You're acting and you're not thinking. And I know she's very limber. And I remember just, like doing the thing like we were supposed to do, and I just feel like I pulled her too far or something, and it hurt her to sit on it on a hard chair for years.

[George M. Johnson]

No way.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, we'd be in a theater scene. You know how we had all those scenes, like the fashion show? Not that she was sitting with us, but we'd be sitting somewhere and she'd be like, oh. And I just feel terrible, terrible, bad. She. I don't think she blames me, but I still feel bad. I still feel bad, But I love that scene.

[George M. Johnson]

I do, too.

[Kristen Davis]

It's a really fun scene. And we look like little children, obviously, which is really funny. Okay. Back at the wedding. We're at the wedding. I mean, man, oh, man, I don't even know what to make of it. Like, when you look at people, you know, let's just talk about women right now for a second. Let's leave gay men out of it.

[George M. Johnson]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Or gay women. Let's talk about straight women.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you feel like there's pressure to settle and get married and have the thing. The big wedding and, you know. Yes, still.

[George M. Johnson]

I still do. I do. And you think times have changed, but I do also this. I don't know if there's social pressure. I guess there is some social pressure pressure, but there's a lot of inner pressure that women put on themselves because we've been socialized. They think that this is.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Gonna be supposed to be.

[Kristen Davis]

That it's gonna make you happy.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

When. If you had a friend that you felt was settling to get that marriage, you know, would you say something?

[George M. Johnson]

No, I wouldn't. You know, after they were divorced, I'd be like, I never liked them. But, you know, beforehand. I can't.

[Kristen Davis]

No. It's too delicate. Right. It's difficult.

[George M. Johnson]

You really have to make sure. Even if they don' get married, you have to make sure they are broken up and they are never getting back together again. Before you say anything.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to be the. You don't want to create problems. No. You don't want them to be mad at you. Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it's rough, though. I. I don't ever say anything about anything because I don't. I don't really know what's going on in that relationship. Right.

[George M. Johnson]

It's not. Look, and the rules to one's relationship is none of anybody's business. And there are different rules to different people's relationships.

[Kristen Davis]

That is a very, very good point.

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

We cut back to Carrie, and she's typing in her adorable way. I just love it so much. Then she calls Big and she asks him, why did he get married? And I have to say, I've been on a very big journey with Big rewatching the first season because I just can't believe how he is to her. He's just so not giving at all. Yeah, until this episode, I felt like he broke down a little bit more. He's a little warmer to her. Do you know what I mean?

[George M. Johnson]

Finally, finally.

[Kristen Davis]

Finally. Because I think also she's going through this whole thing of like, oh, I'm dating someone who never wants to get married again. What should I do? And she actually has to contemplate all these things. And then he has to kind of like reach out to her rather than her always reaching out to him. None of these things ever occurred to me when we were filming this before.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, of course not. You're seeing it in totally differently. Totally differently.

[Kristen Davis]

I think because of the times. But I also think when you're in it, you're just trying to do it you know, you're just trying to do it. And Charlotte was pro big, so I.

[George M. Johnson]

Was pro big during that scene. When they called this a split screen.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[George M. Johnson]

Very Brian De Palma.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. Loved a split screen.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, it was.

[Kristen Davis]

Loved it.

[George M. Johnson]

And they. They talk that way.

[Kristen Davis]

What you think of that? Did you think it was weird?

[George M. Johnson]

I went. I immediately went, it's a split screen.

[Kristen Davis]

You loved it.

[George M. Johnson]

I liked it. I did. I did. Like, I like. Look, I. Watching it, like I said to you, I like the tone of it, too. All.

[Kristen Davis]

I like the tone of it so much. It flies by so quick.

[George M. Johnson]

It sure does. It's 22 minutes, like, bam, bam, bam.

[Kristen Davis]

Then you're like, oh, I want more.

[George M. Johnson]

It's like, it's a short. It's 22 minutes.

[Kristen Davis]

It's very short. I know. And they get so much in there.

[George M. Johnson]

I know.

[Kristen Davis]

The writing's so good. So, so good. So, so good. Okay, so Carrie calls Big.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And she basically says, you know, why did he get married? And then he says, he was a fool in love. Which you're just like, what? Really? At what age were you a fool in love? Because this is not who we know him to be. And then he says he's never going to get married again. And then what?

[George M. Johnson]

She. You see her. Gulp.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Which is also, I think, kind of surprising in a way because she's quite the, you know, the girl about town.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, that's when you know that you really has deep feelings.

[Kristen Davis]

Deep feelings. I know. Sweet Carrie, then. So last week we found out that he had been married. Now we're casually finding out. But I do feel like this is how relationships are in the beginning. Right? Like, people just say stuff, like, kind of like, of course. But in reality, you're over on the other side. Like, what? It's a clue. This a bad clue, you know, like, you're nitpicking. Not even nitpicking, but you're. You're just, like, accruing details, Right? Trying to make the picture together. Okay, so then the rest of us are not surprised to hear that Big doesn't want to get married. But I think this is a major bummer. Which is so funny, because this is something that I would say now. Oh, silliness. You wonder if they were paying attention to how I talk. I don't know. But then, of course, the man that cared, not surprised at all. And then she says, I wasn't even thinking about getting married until I was told I couldn't. Which I think is so true. Right. Like, you're just on your own tracks and you're assuming that other people are possibly on that track too. And then you hear that they're not. And it's a shock.

[George M. Johnson]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Because you're just kind of going about things, assuming that they're possibilities. Right. That's not always the case.

[George M. Johnson]

No, it isn't.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But I do feel like that's a lesson that Carrie learns basically every week with Big.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. You know, and it fluctuates too, with her relationship with him.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[George M. Johnson]

Went back and forth through the whole thing.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And like, God, how you rooted for.

[George M. Johnson]

Them and then you didn't and you hated them.

[Kristen Davis]

Apparently I only rooted for them. And now I'm like, why did I do that? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but that's how it is too, I think, like sometimes when you're too close, you're not objective.

[George M. Johnson]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I'm saying? And I also think that they have the chemistry they have and therefore you root for them.

[George M. Johnson]

Right, Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Which is also ended up marrying them eventually. It just took a very, very long time. Yes, Very, very long time.

[George M. Johnson]

Took a movie.

[Kristen Davis]

It took a movie. And then another.

[George M. Johnson]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

Kind of.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I guess. Yeah. But then we didn't. Yeah. Anyway, back to the show. Okay, back to the show. So then I say really adorably that I want my relationship to be based on honesty and communication, which I would still say, Charlotte.

[George M. Johnson]

You would.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And I'm not wrong.

[George M. Johnson]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, this is what our relationship should be based on.

[George M. Johnson]

Everybody wants that. Just don't always get it.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, characters apparently. Do you know what I mean?

[George M. Johnson]

Well, your characters.

[Kristen Davis]

My character, definitely. And I think that's great. I'm like the mature voice, which is amazing.

[George M. Johnson]

You're like the voice of reason.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm the voice of reason. And see, I never realized that in the beginning. I thought I was always so naive.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, I mean, there's a way to.

[Kristen Davis]

Look at it that I am.

[George M. Johnson]

You are.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

But it's. But it's different. It's big. You're. It's. It's. You're a little bit more conservative than that's what it is.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm conservative. Right. But there's conservative politically. I'm talking conservative in terms of like, once you get married, wants to have kids, there's very open about that. That's the goal, you know, from the get go. Pretty much. Right. And obviously we know. We know that she comes up against some. Some, you know, difficulties because of that, which is fine, because I like that so then, as my producers write, this is the start of a major storyline of Big not wanting to get married, which, honestly, I hadn't remembered this either.

[George M. Johnson]

You don't remember?

[Kristen Davis]

Like, no.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, well, I don't either, but.

[Kristen Davis]

Because we were in it. You know what I'm saying? And I think had I remembered that, then what happens later would have made more sense. Right. But I also feel. And I talked. I had Oliver Hudson on two episodes. Again, so sweet.

[George M. Johnson]

I love him.

[Kristen Davis]

And he's done a lot of work on himself. And he's also been married a long time, and it was super interesting to talk to him about being a straight guy and what he remembers before he did. And also married. Right. Successfully married before. And how, you know, scared he was of expressing his feelings and communicating openly. And then he learned how important it was and how you do feel so much more. You're much more available to love and all of the things that can happen when you're fully present and not, you know, with the wall. Right. But if you look at Big, the fact that he has this incredible wall up for so long and somehow she handles it, she does handle it. I don't even know. Wow.

[George M. Johnson]

I don't know. Talk about rooting for someone and hoping they're gonna change, which he actually did later on. But I know she waited a long time.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But in reality, like, now, we would say, like, don't try to change that person. He's not gonna change. People don't change.

[George M. Johnson]

People don't. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Isn't that what I would not always say now?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. It's interesting. It's interesting. But I also feel like. I feel. And I could be wrong, and maybe we'll ask our Jessica about is when she comes up. I feel like, yes, she wanted what she wanted, but at a certain point, she was also willing to not get everything. She wanted to stay with him. Do you know what I mean?

[George M. Johnson]

Yep. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Because it's not like in this. In this episode, there's the crazy storyline with Stanford where she goes to meet his mother, which I had not really remembered. Right. It's so good. Oh, also, when they go to the ballet, which, you know, Sarah Jessica loves your ballet so much, and now she's chairperson of the ballet committee and does this incredible fundraiser every year and raises so much money for the New York City Ballet. And we on. And just like that film at the ballet this year, which was incredible, and we spent so much money doing it, but we wanted to have that iconic New York situation. But to see she and Willie walking around Lincoln center in the night and she twirls. It's incredible. It's incredible. And way back then in 1998, we did that. Like, it's amazing, the kind of footprint of what would come in a much more kind of fully, fully developed way later.

[George M. Johnson]

And in the settling. In the settling situation, even though they're close friends and they love each other, there's the idea of them getting married, right? Stanford's like, why not?

[Kristen Davis]

Because he would get his parents and he would get his parents and they both realize, right? And he would be fine with her being with Big. Because he's gay, this guy, right? And it kind of makes sense. And she's like, maybe this does make sense.

[George M. Johnson]

And then his aunt. Is it his aunt?

[Kristen Davis]

It's his mom.

[George M. Johnson]

His mom. That's his mother.

[Kristen Davis]

You got to meet Will Willie, Stanford's mom.

[George M. Johnson]

And she says, you know, you know, he's a fruit. He's a fruit.

[Kristen Davis]

She says, yeah, yeah. And then she realizes that he's not going to get the inheritance. So it's really not going to work. The plan's not going to work. But it is super interesting. I had not really remembered that. I like that whole moment. I liked it too. And Stanford's like so sweet and like vulnerable. And do you remember when he goes, he puts an ad in the paper. Cause we didn't have dating apps. And he basically says, oh, my God. Ed Harris type and Ed Harris type.

[George M. Johnson]

And which is what you said to me. When is that? What guy? He said he looks like Ed Harris. And then I say to you, Ed Harris. How about Ed? I have no Harris. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And then this guy walks up to him on the street and it's like.

[George M. Johnson]

This is not going to happen. I know he's waiting on the corner.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, it hurt me someone. Yeah, his little face.

[George M. Johnson]

Welcome to the gay world. Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my gosh. That little sad face.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, very sad.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, it just broke my little heart.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, Y.

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[George M. Johnson]

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[Narrator]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.

[George M. Johnson]

I just knew him as a kid.

[Narrator]

Long, silent voices from his past came.

[George M. Johnson]

Forward, and he was just staring at me.

[Narrator]

And they had secrets of their own to share.

[Kristen Davis]

Gilbert King.

[George M. Johnson]

I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.

[Narrator]

I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.

[George M. Johnson]

Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[Narrator]

I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.

[George M. Johnson]

If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.

[Narrator]

I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.

[Kristen Davis]

At the end of the day, I'm.

[George M. Johnson]

Literally a son of a killer.

[Narrator]

Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.

[George M. Johnson]

Jeremy, I want to tell you something.

[Narrator]

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[Kristen Davis]

Okay, then. Oh, then there's. There's the insanity of the rabbit, which really goes on for quite.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Some.

[George M. Johnson]

Your addiction time.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Well, the. Just the. And then the, you know, like, Charlotte's version of lying. It's really funny. Like, oh, I know I'm supposed to come out with you to go to the gallery, but something came up.

[George M. Johnson]

But then they finally like it.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[George M. Johnson]

Which is really, really cute. Break down your door.

[Kristen Davis]

Really, really cute. So cute. I love them breaking down my door and taking care of me. It's so cute.

[George M. Johnson]

I love.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so, so cute. And then I say that I think I broke my vagina.

[George M. Johnson]

That's right. Wow. That was shocking to hear.

[Kristen Davis]

Was it?

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Was it?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. Knowing you, what your character became, it's like, wow. And the fact that you got. You're the one that got addicted to this thing. That whole thing is just.

[Kristen Davis]

But that was them.

[George M. Johnson]

Surprise. And it's funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. I agree. And they were trying to figure out, like, what can we do that doesn't. You don't see coming, you know what I'm saying? With her. And I was just trying to pull it off so that they weren't like, get rid of her. I'm serious. It was on my mind. I was scared. I was very scared for most of it. So I'm just like, how can I make this? And also, I've been in acting class for so long. Right. So I'm just trying to make everything as real as I possibly can do. What? I mean, but it's really cute when they come over. I love it very, very much. I love it. And I really want to watch it again. That's how cute it was. Because it seems like we're in high school.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

There's like a weird, really good episode.

[George M. Johnson]

And I remember when I saw it about a month ago, I was like, this is a really good episode. And did you. I just think.

[Kristen Davis]

I just thought the whole first season I remembered it, which is crazy. See, I thought that the rabbit episode would have been later. Like, I remember things from it, but I don't remember them anymore.

[George M. Johnson]

I was surprised it was the episode when I started rewatching it again.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[George M. Johnson]

The other day. Because I was like, wait, I just saw this. And this was from the first season.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's crazy. That's why Cynthia always told me that the first season was good. And I was like, no, no, she's right. She's 100% right. Okay, so we're back with Big. Carrie tells Beg that she got a proposal. She's smoking in bed.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Which is hysterical. Isn't it funny to watch her smoking?

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And, like, almost blows the.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, yeah, she blows it up.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, but it's not his face.

[George M. Johnson]

And then she's on his chest.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you remember when. When he does a smoke ring. I remember that he was, like, very proud of himself that he did smoke ring. Okay, wait, this is the intervention. Now we're back to Samantha with the turtle, which, again, so adorable and sweet and. He's sweet.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, he is.

[Kristen Davis]

I kind of feel bad for him. Right. Oh, wait, it's Stanford's grandmother.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, that's his mother. It is his grandmother.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[George M. Johnson]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. That makes more sense. That makes more sense because I was gonna say we really don't see anyone's parents. His grandmother who has the money. That makes sense. Then we're back. Now, this scene really, really killed me because there's so many future callbacks to this scene where Big is making sauce.

[George M. Johnson]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

And giving her the spoon.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

But being Italian, I had issues recipe wise.

[Kristen Davis]

You had some issues.

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, dear.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, he was like, you brown the onion and you brown the garlic, and then you throw in the onion. I'm like, no, opposite it.

[Kristen Davis]

You.

[George M. Johnson]

You brought. You brown the onion and then you throw in the garlic quickly. And then you throw your sauce in and then you cook it. I just made it the other day. That's all I do. Is make sauce.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. So that was wrong.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you remember how many times through all the years they've done this that they made sauce and he gives her.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like in the movie.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Do it in their beautiful apartment. I know.

[George M. Johnson]

What's the. So hard, too. You know, it's adorable.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, but it's also, like. That's the hymn that I like.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, like, then I'm like, this. This I can see.

[George M. Johnson]

Well, there had to be a certain thing about him, even at the very beginning that you rooted for and was hoping for that change and for that connection and ultimately that marriage. So, you know, but see, there are.

[Kristen Davis]

Fans who would say that they were not hoping for marriage, and there are fans who would say that they were on Aiden. Not big.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I mean?

[George M. Johnson]

There's always a split.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. But for sure. I mean, the writers definitely. It was like the central storyline for her. Right?

[George M. Johnson]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

Too big or not too big, you know? Right. Do you know what I mean?

[George M. Johnson]

But yeah, wasn't it. Yeah. The sauce thing. I.

[Kristen Davis]

But I love that scene. I thought it was a great scene. And she basically says, you know, this other marriage proposal I got is not gonna. Is not gonna work out. And then she says that she does want to get married someday.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And when you think about that, this is season one, and they're having this conversation and how many years of show and then movies would go on for this to get worked out?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But I also think it's very real.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, and also when they're in bed together and she's, like, trying to be all cool, we're gonna get married. Yeah, I got a proposal today. And. And then he said Stanford, and he was. And he knew. He was like, isn't he. Isn't he gay? And so the cockiness kind of flips back.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

Like, I got nothing to worry about.

[Kristen Davis]

Is that kind of their thing? Right. Because, like, do you remember early on when he's kind of evaded her, wherever they're supposed to get together, they didn't get together. And she sees him on the street and she leans over and tells him the word of the crossword puzzle.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, it's nice how they, like, trade.

[George M. Johnson]

Power and they do.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And that's the saving grace of it.

[George M. Johnson]

All.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. If it was just him being aloof the whole time. Boo. But they trade back and forth, and. But this scene in particular, I felt like at least we're seeing the potential of him, the potential of their relationship, the potential of him being nice to her, like he holds her and kisses her at the end and is kind of reassuring to her, even though he doesn't say, oh, yes, I do want to get married. He doesn't say that.

[George M. Johnson]

No, he doesn't.

[Kristen Davis]

But his actions are more like caretaking and make her feel, you know, good, which is interesting. Then the, okay, settling. And then I got the paper in front of me. Yes, the theme is settling, which I think is obviously a fantastic theme and still incredibly relevant. But we don't get a solution. Of course we don't get a solution. How could we get a solution to.

[George M. Johnson]

That series has to go on.

[Kristen Davis]

And also, this is still a question in society, like, what's more important to you? Security. Right. The security of a relationship or not settling? Sometimes that's the choice.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. People do both. There's plenty of people that do both. And they either settle and they settle because there's money and power involved and, you know. Yeah, I, I don't. Let me tell you something. I always said this. I was, you know what's going to be on my gravestone?

[Kristen Davis]

What?

[George M. Johnson]

I can buy the. I can't be one.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. I do not think that you should put that on your.

[George M. Johnson]

No, I would never.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[George M. Johnson]

But I mean, what I mean, but metaphorically, what I mean is I, I can't, I, I don't care how much money you have. Totally not going to be with you for money.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, I. 100 with you.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, I'll buy my, my suite at the de Russia in Rome. I'll buy this. But I'll buy a car to get me some, you know, Hysterical. But I can't, I don't, I, I was like, I'll be fine. I'm the one that's gonna have the money.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, I agree. That's my motto as well.

[George M. Johnson]

That's how you do it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[George M. Johnson]

And yeah, I, I, I'll, I would never marry someone I know.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[George M. Johnson]

I don't understand it.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I don't understand it either. And the thing that I think is really dangerous about it is if you're a young woman like Charlotte. Right. And I mean, the thing that I do love about Charlotte, though, is first season, she talks about the gallery every single episode, which I love. Like, work is important to her, you know, which I really love. And I had forgotten.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, most of her arcs is mentioned, you know, and then more so it comes back, thank goodness. So it's not like she's like, I don't want to work, you know, Though later, obviously there's a time when she doesn't work and the girls are like, you're not even working. To remember this later on. Anyway, I think that the mistake that, you know, mentally relying on someone else financially when you're young is a mistake. You know, it's a mistake that people very commonly make because you have to. You have to get those skills yourself. They go through so that you'll be okay.

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Because. But sometimes you can't rely on those other people, and then you're left high and dry, and it's way stressful.

[George M. Johnson]

Or you're miserable.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Which seems like a nightmare.

[George M. Johnson]

And then you have kids.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like the. The problem is they're relying on. Right. Like, you can get married, you can settle. You can do all the different things. Just don't rely on them. Like, keep your own bank account.

[George M. Johnson]

Yes, Absolutely right. Absolutely right.

[Kristen Davis]

It's important, see?

[George M. Johnson]

And Jerry and I feel the same way.

[Kristen Davis]

You do?

[George M. Johnson]

Oh, yeah. We're very. You know, look, we have our money, but we're. We're. We're separate with things, too.

[Kristen Davis]

That's that way.

[George M. Johnson]

And. Yeah. Look, it's. There's times he made more money than me and times I made more money than him, and that's just. You just rely on each other. Went back and forth, which is a very healthy thing.

[Kristen Davis]

I think that's a very healthy thing. And also because that means the power is evenly distributed in a relationship. Right?

[George M. Johnson]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

All right. Mario, you're amazing. I'm just looking at my papers. I think we've done it.

[George M. Johnson]

And there's even power in, like, Jerry and I working together.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[George M. Johnson]

When I did, my one man, Sean Robert, he wrote all my music. He writes my music for me.

[Kristen Davis]

He. But that's amazing that you can do that.

[George M. Johnson]

We work together.

[Kristen Davis]

Not everyone can do that.

[George M. Johnson]

You know, we've done shows together.

[Kristen Davis]

We.

[George M. Johnson]

We advise each other. It's a. It is a real balance of power.

[Kristen Davis]

Beautiful.

[George M. Johnson]

You know?

[Kristen Davis]

Beautiful.

[George M. Johnson]

And we love each other. We scare each other a little bit, you know, because we're both strict sometimes with things, and, you know, we're both control freaks, I think.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[George M. Johnson]

Not in the. Not in a horrible way. Not in a way where it rips apart our relationship.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, thank God.

[George M. Johnson]

That's good. I just want to know he's safe and okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Of course.

[George M. Johnson]

And healthy.

[Kristen Davis]

For sure.

[George M. Johnson]

Because we're getting older and, you know, I think about life and. Yeah. I just do.

[Kristen Davis]

We all do. Yeah, we all do.

[George M. Johnson]

You know, and that's what I love about. And just like, that is Everybody's older.

[Kristen Davis]

And we are older.

[George M. Johnson]

Everyone is changed in some way. And, you know, the audience loves some of it and hates some of it, just. But it's like, too bad. This is life. You accept these changes and you. You know, Anthony has changed. You know, I. When I first said to Michael, you know, when I had the hot fellas, I was like, so I'm going to be messing around with this. She said, no. He said, no, no, no, no. Because you don't. Where you eat. This is. This is. She said, he said, you've evolved.

[Kristen Davis]

You're the one that.

[George M. Johnson]

You're the one that's not. That doesn't do that anymore. Which is why when you find out in the second season that I only hired straight men, so I forgot I could. I could not do that. And then I find out that Giuseppe is gay, and I'm like, you're fired.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God, I forgot. Yes, you're fired.

[George M. Johnson]

And then I like that we get. He quits and we get together. So I love that about me, that he's evolved that way.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, if we haven't evolved at all. How boring. That's not real.

[George M. Johnson]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, that's not real at all.

[George M. Johnson]

It's not real.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And I know. I know there's.

[George M. Johnson]

And you have done.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't care.

[George M. Johnson]

Can I just. Don't. Don't say anything. Just shut up for a second. I'll try and just hear it. And I said this to you, but the amount of people that think you are so magnificent in this iteration of the show and how hilarious you are, you are really divinely funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[George M. Johnson]

Divinely funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[George M. Johnson]

You're drunk and stuff. You're. That whole monologue to Harry during the hangover. He does.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[George M. Johnson]

I mean, you, You, You.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[George M. Johnson]

Work on. This is.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. I'm just lucky to have Michael Patrick writing for me.

[George M. Johnson]

I am, too. I'm lucky to have you as my partner.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm lucky to have you.

[George M. Johnson]

You're my first and original partner.

[Kristen Davis]

You're my first. And we're still original.

[George M. Johnson]

Very close friends, even though the kids take you away from me sometimes. And I've said that Charlotte's up to her ass and kid.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry.

[George M. Johnson]

It's okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you for being with me. I love you very much. I love you very much.

[George M. Johnson]

This was great. Thanks for finally asking me.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[George M. Johnson]

I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling authority with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.

[Kristen Davis]

Part of the power of black queer.

[George M. Johnson]

Creativity is the fact that we got us. You know, we are the greatest culture makers in world history. Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bob Pittman]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty Tarang Amin, legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.

[Kristen Davis]

Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun.

[Bob Pittman]

And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing.

[George M. Johnson]

I figured out the formula. I just have to work hard then that's magic.

[Bob Pittman]

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.