Secret Sex with Shmuel (aka Glenn Fleshler)...

Summary

Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte? – Episode: Secret Sex with Shmuel (Glenn Fleshler)

Introduction

In this compelling episode of "Are You A Charlotte?", hosted by Kristin Davis of iHeartPodcasts, Davis welcomes a very special guest, Glenn Fleshler, renowned for his role as Shmuel in the iconic series Sex and the City. Released on May 5, 2025, this episode delves deep into Glenn’s journey in acting, his experiences on set, and the enduring legacy of Sex and the City.

Guest Introduction

Kristin Davis opens the conversation with enthusiasm, highlighting Glenn's notable work and current projects.

Kristin Davis [00:59]: "This is Glenn Fleshler and he played Shmuel."

Glenn Fleshler [02:17]: "You guys, it's so exciting to talk to Glenn."

Early Career and Path to Acting

Glenn shares his early days in acting, attending NYU and navigating the challenging world of off-Broadway shows and regional theater. He candidly discusses the struggles of balancing passion with financial constraints.

Glenn Fleshler [04:02]: "I went to acting school at NYU and found myself very in debt and trying to work my way out of that by doing off Broadway shows and regional theater, which is a fool's errand."

Casting in Sex and the City

The conversation shifts to Glenn's casting in Sex and the City. He recalls the audition process and the unexpected opportunity to join the groundbreaking series.

Glenn Fleshler [06:39]: "I simply went to the audition thinking there's no way in hell they're going to cast me. I think it was Michael Patrick King. Maybe just him. I don't remember. But I just did a very simple audition, and I got the role. I was so shocked."

Kristin reflects on their time together on set, sharing humorous anecdotes about their first meetings and scenes.

Glenn Fleshler [07:55]: "You basically. My first TV job was like having to make out with you and smoke cigarettes all night."

On-Set Experiences and Character Development

Glenn delves into the nuances of playing Shmuel, a character that initially seemed underwritten but evolved significantly over time. He discusses the challenges of being typecast and his desire to diversify his roles.

Glenn Fleshler [04:56]: "As a character actor, you kind of want to do different things. But I've noticed in my career that you go through these little mini runs where it's like, oh, now I'm playing all these killers."

Kristin and Glenn reminisce about the show's early days, the creative process, and how the characters found their depth as the series progressed.

Glenn Fleshler [09:01]: "In the beginning, no one knew what we were doing, including kind of ourselves. ... I was just trying to, you know, fit it off because I certainly was not one of these Manhattan women in any way."

Impact and Legacy of Sex and the City

The episode highlights the profound impact Sex and the City had on both the cast and its audience. Glenn reflects on how the show remained relevant and continued to attract new fans years after its original airing.

Glenn Fleshler [13:05]: "People would want to talk about that, and they'd come up to me and say things like, are you Mr. Pussy? Are you the dildo guy?"

Kristin emphasizes the show's role in shifting narratives around women and relationships, making it a cultural staple.

Transition to Broadway and Current Projects

Glenn discusses his transition from television to Broadway, working alongside luminaries like George Clooney in Good Night and Good Luck. He shares insights into the differences between live theater and TV acting, as well as the challenges and rewards of performing on Broadway.

Glenn Fleshler [19:41]: "Good Night and Good Luck. It's been quite a ride. I haven't been on stage for 10 years, so."

He praises George Clooney's professionalism and the enriching experience of working on a Broadway production.

Glenn Fleshler [20:35]: "George, I was like, he's gonna be great and he loves to have a good time and so smart and so smart, funny and serious at the same time."

Reflections on Acting and Career Choices

Glenn reflects on his diverse acting career, spanning theater, film, and television. He discusses the importance of versatility and the personal fulfillment that comes from exploring different facets of acting.

Glenn Fleshler [25:38]: "I eventually got to Broadway with James Earl Jones, which was of course a dream and a miracle."

Kristin acknowledges Glenn’s dedication and the mutual respect between them, highlighting how their paths have intertwined since their time on Sex and the City.

The Enduring Connection with the Audience and Cast

Glenn shares heartfelt moments about fan interactions and the lasting connections formed through the show. He emphasizes the unique bond actors share and how Sex and the City continues to resonate with audiences worldwide.

Glenn Fleshler [43:16]: "I have some great experiences, but I ended up cranking out six Broadway shows in five years."

Kristin highlights the show's ability to evolve and stay relevant, which Glenn attributes to the dynamic writing and character development.

Glenn Fleshler [24:18]: "We have had this one thing that has just, like, lived and lived and lived."

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Kristin thanks Glenn for sharing his invaluable experiences and insights. Both express their appreciation for the enduring legacy of Sex and the City and the meaningful connections forged through their work.

Kristin Davis [43:42]: "And thank you for coming on the podcast."

Glenn Fleshler [45:34]: "It was a no brainer. I'm thrilled to see you and thanks for having me."

Notable Quotes

• Glenn Fleshler [06:39]: "I simply went to the audition thinking there's no way in hell they're going to cast me... and I got the role."

• Kristin Davis [09:01]: "In the beginning, no one knew what we were doing, including kind of ourselves."

• Glenn Fleshler [19:41]: "Good Night and Good Luck. It's been quite a ride."

• Glenn Fleshler [24:18]: "We have had this one thing that has just, like, lived and lived and lived."

Final Thoughts

This episode of "Are You A Charlotte?" offers an intimate glimpse into Glenn Fleshler’s career and the profound impact of Sex and the City. Through candid conversations and shared memories, listeners gain a deeper appreciation for the dedication and passion that fueled one of television’s most beloved shows. Whether you're a long-time fan or new to the series, this episode beautifully captures the essence of collaboration, growth, and the enduring power of storytelling.

Transcript

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[Sam]

My husband has a secret son from a past partner.

[John]

Hold up, Sam. How do we know? Have we done the DNA test?

[Sam]

Well, John, luckily its mother may have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes. My husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five year old.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Whoa.

[Sam]

At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

[John]

Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad?

[Sam]

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hello everybody and welcome to Are youe a Charlotte? I have a very special guest today. This is Glenn Fleshler and he played Shmuel.

[Glenn Fleshler]

You guys, it's so exciting to talk to Glenn.

[Kristen Davis]

He was in episode 106, Secret Sexual. This is the first season and I.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Haven'T seen him in person in many, many, many years, but I have seen his work so many times and he's currently starring with George Clooney on Broadway in Good Night and Good Luck.

[Kristen Davis]

So he took time on his day off to talk to us. And here is the lovely Glenn Fleshler.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Glenn Fleshler is here.

I'm so excited.

Thank you for joining us.

It's an honor and a trip.

It is a trip, right? You know what is so funny to me about you is that obviously we work together on the show Sex of the City, first season. Wait, what was the one called that he's in Secret Sex? Secret Sex, that's right. And, I mean, that was really early in the show, and you had your whole costume on, you know, but ever since then, you've been working so much. And I'd be watching something, they'd be like, that looks like that guy. And then I'd be watching something like, that looks like that guy. But, like, in my mind, you kind of were Shmuel. You know what I mean? The character. Right. So then. And you play, like, these heavies. Like, you play, like, so many different, like, really, like, intense guys, right? I'm like, am I. Am I crazy, or is that that guy?

And he's always that terrible guy doing those terrible things.

I know you do so many bad things, but those are fun parts, right?

They are. They are, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm so happy for all of your success, and I'm so happy that we were. Your first job.

My first job. My first TV show, I think. Oh, yeah.

My first TV show. There you go. So help me. Remind me of. Tell me where you were at and what it was like to get cast in the show.

Well, I went to acting school at NYU and found myself very in debt and trying to work my way out of that by doing off Broadway shows and regional theater, which is a fool's errand.

Oh, I did that, too. So hard. Yeah.

And. But I loved it. But I really just, you know, had no idea how I was gonna go for it. And I always loved film and television, but everyone said, you know, you have to go to LA if you want to do that. And I resisted that notion, being a native New Yorker.

Right.

And there wasn't really too much. I mean, HBO was just starting to do some things in New York, and Law and Order had just kind of fired up their franchises, and there were a few things and some indie films. So the weird thing is, you know, it's weird to say this to you because very few people have played one character for 30 years or something. I know it's a shock, you guys and Mariska.

Totally, totally. We're a very lucky group.

But as a character actor, you know, you kind of want to do different things. That's sort of the fun of doing it. But I've noticed in my career that. That you get. You go through these little mini runs where it's like, oh, now I'm playing all these killers. Or now I'm playing these, like, tough attorneys. Or. And that year that I met you, it was Hasidic Jews. I played one off Broadway, and I played one in a movie.

Oh, with Renee Zellweger?

Yes, with Renee Zellweger.

Yes. I saw that. And I was like, there he is.

Who just returned to my life a few days ago. She came to see my show, actually.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Glenn Fleshler]

She's so sweet.

But, yeah, I did this Miramax movie, but then I had my own beard and my own hair. And then that summer, I shaved my head for the first time, which I wore my head shaved for several years. But a director first asked me to shave my head for a role in a play I was doing. And. And I got the audition for Sex and the City. And I had. It also was kind of seminal because I realized through this job that I needed to get a new agent. Because the head of the agency, who never really dealt with me very much, but she called me with this audition. This is Sex and the City. You know, it's this new show. Darren Starr, blah, blah, blah. Just Sarah Jessica. And I said, well, I played, you know, that other Hasidic Jewish character, but now my head shaved. And she said, you should bring pictures from the movie. You'll give your right arm. It's television, you know.

Wow.

And I just thought, that's not the way I want to approach my career.

Totally, totally.

And I didn't do any of that. I simply went to the audition thinking there's no. I think I had a goatee and a shaved head. And I thought, there's no way in hell they're going to cast me. I think it was Michael Patrick King. Maybe just him. I don't remember. I don't remember if I went in once or twice, but I just, you know, did a very simple audition, and I got the role. I was so shocked. So they built me all that stuff. The beauty pass and the wig.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

And you were the only person that I did not meet in the makeup trailer. So I would say that. I don't know. I actually was at the. I was in the cafeteria, wherever you ate.

Right, right.

And I ate a meal, and I saw all of you across the room, and I knew who all the other three women were, and I knew that you had been on Melrose Place, but I didn't know your Work. Forgive me. So I saw you. I think your hair was like in curlers.

Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Interesting.

So I spied you from across the room and I said, okay, this is gonna be fun.

Oh, thank God. Oh, I'm so glad. I'm so glad.

You know, I basically. My first TV job was like having to make out with you and smoke cigarettes all night. And that's basically. And lie, like, in bed afterwards.

Yeah. In Williamsburg.

I was like, you know, I don't mind getting paid for that, honestly.

Oh, that's nice. So it was. Enjoy. It was good.

I remember the look on your face because I had. I think I had talked to the other women and they welcomed me to the show and all of that. And of course, the show hadn't aired, so nobody knew what it was.

Right.

And I remember walking on set and you didn't see me until I was all done up, you know, with all this hair. And I remember the, like fearful look in your eyes. And I just walked right up to you and said, look, I'm the love of your life and I don't want to hear anything about it or something like that.

Well, good on you.

We had a fun time, as I recall.

We totally had a fun time. You were my absolute favorite of the entire first season. I don't even really remember the second season, so I'm just gonna go with favorite of first and second season because you were very present. I just remember you being very present. Which is why when I would see you later in your. In your career, I'd be like, yes, that guy, he was so good.

[Kristen Davis]

He was so good.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Because, you know, in the beginning, because no one knew, you know, what we were, what we were doing, including kind of ourselves. Right. In. In terms of Charlotte, she was very underwritten in the beginning. We were just kind of finding her. And I was just trying to, you know, like p it off because I certainly was not one of these Manhattan women in any way, like kind of nervously, you know, just doing whatever they wrote for me week to week, which was kind of wild. Like, it would be all over the place, you know. And I was supposed to be the prude, yet I was really quite adventurous, I would say. And I loved the storyline because it was such a, you know, it was like it's little world unto itself. Right. And we went to Williamsburg, which back then was like, I had never been to Williamsburg. It wasn't cool and hip like it is now.

I always thought we were in Silver cup, but.

Oh, we could have been. We could have Been. I mean, I remember how I walked down the street. I don't know, you probably haven't watched it. I just recently rewatched it, you know, for the podcast. I walked down the street. So maybe I was there without you. And probably. So if we were in the cafeteria, that's like on one floor of Silver cup, and then our dressing rooms were down on the.

I also remember. I don't know if I came another day to do a fitting or something, but I remember at some point being at Silver cup, and they were like, do you want to come in and say hi to Michael, who was, I think, directing our episode? And I said, sure. And I walked onto set and again, hadn't done television. And I think there was a kickboxing scene going on.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Miranda.

Yeah, a little set that they'd made. And it was so tiny. And that blew my mind. Cause I was like, I bet on TV this looks like a normal gym, but it was like such a tiny little set that they made for this.

Little workout scene or whatever it was. Well, also, we just didn't really have budget in the beginning, you know, so, like, we must have. I thought we. I thought that the loft that, you know, you're like artist loft or whatever, I thought was actually in Williamsburg, because I remember going to Williamsburg because there's a little shot where I'm walking down the street. And I remember being there because at some point they found out that we were filming there, that we'd gotten a permit, and they ran us off. They were basically like, get out. You know? Cause they didn't know A, what we were and B, we're named Sex in the City, which is a problem that.

Happened in the Renee Zellweger movie also. We had a lot of trouble.

Wow. Wow. Different times.

Movie was. But they were assuming and.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Glenn Fleshler]

There was a lot of stuff in the newspapers about our shoot and. Wow.

Wow. So. But I hadn't remembered. I do know that, like, either we either we built the. The loft in Silver cup or we were in some other place in Manhattan because sometimes we'd like cross purpose because we didn't have enough money to really get like locations, you know, for each day.

I always pictured it at Silver cup, but I could totally be wrong.

Right? I mean, we were there a lot and we would build all kind of crazy things like the boxing studio and yoga and this and that. But yeah, it is funny to think back on how kind of small and underwhelming our beginnings were in production wise. You know, like, funny considering where we are now.

Yes.

Which is a good thing. So it was a positive experience.

Absolutely. You know, it's funny to me. I was very tickled to be asked, and I was excited to see you again after all these years.

Yeah.

And I'm so just impressed with where this has all gone for you. And I listened to your. Some of your early podcasts, and it was great for me to learn your journey a little bit, because I don't know the show very well. So that's why I was sort of like, I don't really know Sex in the City, and I'm coming on this podcast. But the weird thing is that it has had such. Cast such a huge shadow. I don't know if that's the right metaphor, But I had such a long reach in my career, and for years, particularly when I hadn't done a lot of film and television, you know, I would go around the country doing plays, and Sex and the City would be in my bio, and there wasn't much else as far as film and television. And women would come up to me. I mean, this is, like, all over the country, wherever I was working.

Yeah.

People would want to talk about that, and they'd come up to me and say things like, are you Mr. Pussy? Are you the dildo guy? You know, like, it's nothing. I didn't show, but I was like, okay, I'm getting a sense of, like, what maybe is going on on this show.

Oh, my God, that's so embarrassing. I'm sorry, but that is funny. Did you say, no, I'm Shmuel.

I guess so.

Yeah.

As soon as you say it, they're like, oh, my God. I know the episode. Like, people still to this day, like, my hair, my hairdresser in the Good night and good luck. My show on Broadway.

Yeah, yeah.

Was like, right away, when I said I was gonna do this podcast, she said she knew the episode.

Oh, that's nice. Literally why I'm doing the podcast. Because also, as you say, who would have ever thought in a million, a hundred years that we would still be being discovered by new people, being discussed, you know, the old show. But also then continuing with them just like that, and having the movies, none of it. None of it would have been anything that any of us would have dreamt up? So that's why I wanted to do the podcast in a way, to kind of have a way to talk about it, to also talk about. You know, it is so interesting to think about where we all were. You know, we all came from all These different backgrounds and how we all came together. You know, it is such a collaborative art form and you don't always get to share these things. And I wanted to kind of create a tapestry of, you know, like, who the people actually are and who they were and what's happened to them since. And the people who stand out to me, which you're definitely one of, and also the people who stand out to the fans, because I don't think that the fans connect your whole career with that. You're Shmuel.

Did you saying most people don't. Every once in a while it comes up, though. It's as though people are the one to discover it. You know, he was on Sex and City. There have been magazine articles. And I actually had a director run up to me. I was doing Spring Awakening on Broadway.

Wow.

And the director came running and so excited. And he said, you're number 35 of men and Sex and the City and Entertainment Weekly magazine or something. I was like, you know, by that point, it had been so long and.

Right.

I was such a little part of it. And I know you had like a zillion great actors come through there.

And so I was one of them.

I was shocked.

You are one of them, Glenn.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Glenn Fleshler]

Are you ready?

[Bom Han]

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[Sam]

My husband has a secret son from a past partner.

[John]

Hold up, Sam. How do we know? Have we done the DNA test?

[Sam]

Well, John, luckily its mother may have a DNA test week on the ok Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes. My husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the f father of a five year old.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Whoa.

[Sam]

At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

[John]

Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad?

[Sam]

Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son. But the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it, too.

[John]

So what's the husband got to say about this?

[Sam]

This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support, but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife.

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[Sam]

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[Glenn Fleshler]

Let's talk about the play too, because I'm so excited that you're on Broadway with George. I'm so excited you guys are doing Good Night and Good Luck. It's like fantastic. I can't wait to see it. How's it going?

It's going very well. It's been quite a ride. I haven't been on stage for 10 years, so.

[Dutch Vet]

Wow.

[Glenn Fleshler]

So that was really how you started?

That was how I started, yeah. It was like breathing to me back then. And then things kind of shifted in my life. I had a kid, I started doing more film and television, which I always wanted to do. But I also was a little kind of burned out and looking for a change. And yeah, occasionally something would cross my. It's not like anyone was begging me to come back. Occasionally something would cross my path, but I was just like, it had to be the right thing because I knew George, you know, not always. You know, this might surprise you, but not always. Working with a big celebrity, it's not always the best thing.

[John]

What?

[Glenn Fleshler]

I don't know what you mean.

And, you know, I've been mostly lucky, actually, but. But because I knew George, I was like, well, he's gonna be great and he loves to have a good time and so smart and so smart, funny and serious at the same time.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

And I've just been so in awe of the way he's handled this whole thing. Being a first time playwright, being a first time actor on Broadway, leading man on Broadway.

Yeah.

He's just handled it with such class and calm. And, you know, I would say to him, like, you know, we're in tech for this very complicated, intense show. It's okay if you want to, like, lose your shit once in a while. And he just was so easy with it all. It was like as though he'd been doing it his whole life.

So he is amazing. I worked with him first season of er and I had a teeny, teeny part right where I had to audition, I want to say, four times, you know, like some crazy thing because they. Even though it was the first season, it was very. It had that like, magic about it, you know, and it was just kind of going up in the ratings. And he was so, so incredible and such a, even then, he was so incredibly smart about the business, you know, like, like, like level headed and like, you know, such a great mentor. Like, he would just, you know, he would ask you questions and then he would say, oh, yeah, you're gonna be fine because you've got this quality, that quality, that quality. And this is what you need to do. Like, don't get hung up on the things that you don't get because those weren't meant for you and the things that are meant for you just give your all and, you know, show up. And, you know, he just had such a great, like kind of a cheerleading quality even back then, you know.

Yeah. He's still like that. And, you know, one of the things that differentiates him is that he did struggle for a while. He did. You know, he loves to talk about all his failed pilots and all his, you know, his time on like, Facts of Life and Roseanne as like, you know, and recurring characters and, and, you know, that kind of gave him perspective on like, how lucky he was to do ER and to have his film career. And then he just worked so hard to parlay that into so many incredible projects.

Absolutely. And produce so many beautiful things. And then to be on Broadway, discover talent.

He loves casting, he loves all that, that whole part of it, you know.

And he's just so good at it. And it's just so exciting to have him on Broadway. I think it's a great thing that kind of. I felt like when I started and because you went to nyu, I don't know how you felt about it. There were kind of like, you had to kind of pick a lane. Right. Like, I'm a theater actor. Oh, I'm a TV actor. Oh, I'm a film actor. And now it's all just.

Well, I never, I always kind of rejected that idea. But you can feel the industry trying to do that to you. Yeah, well, you did this thing. That's why I said, like, it would kind of go in threes for me, like three Hasidic Jews. So I'd have to say like, okay, I need to pivot. You know what I mean? You have to know where your bread is buttered. In a way, we have to work as actors. But also just in the back of your mind to think like, well, what's different than the last thing I did?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

And, you know, I'm right now coming off a run of like four independent films since the like, strikes and all the things that were going on, and it was good. And I like indie films.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

And they were all different and whatever, but I kind of felt like, okay, I need something else to happen. And then this just kind of came along, and it was wonderful.

How amazing. I mean, yes, I'm jealous of that in a way, because obviously we have had this one thing that has just, like, you know, lived and lived and lived. And the wonderful thing about it is that a. Luckily, I always liked Charlotte. But, baby, we've had this incredible relationship with Michael Patrick where he continues to write in ways that are challenging and deeper. And, you know, to have one character and then get to go through so many changes and, you know, phases and parts of her life, like, it's very rare.

Well, that's why it's lasted, because you haven't just rested on your laurels, you know, the fact that you've allowed those characters to grow and that Michael has.

Yes.

Part of the secret of your longevity, I'm sure.

I agree. Absolutely. And I think it's also because if we weren't still interested, it wouldn't be interesting to watch. Right. Like, you have to be invested, you know, in what. In what you're doing and feel like there is something exciting and new. And I always feel that way. But I mean, again, it is kind of weird because when you're starting, you're thinking like, I always thought. I mean, Broadway is my highest height of height that could happen. Right. And so in the meantime, you're doing regional theater. And I also had an epiphany. I think I was in Cincinnati, where George is from, doing a play at the There. They have, like, a theater up on a hill in a park. It's really pretty. And I was doing. I think I was doing Much Ado About Nothing. And I was like, I'm making, like, $840 a week, and I can't have a dog because, like, I'm traveling the country. Like, this is not sustainable. What do you. How. How do people do this? Like, wow, it's hard, you know, so that. That was a bit of a shock because I thought, oh, yeah, that would be amazing to be a journeyman, you know, regional theater actor. I thought that would be great. Then I got there and I was like, hard, hard. Really hard.

It's hard. You know, one. Yeah, that's. That was kind of a model. It's. I don't know if people can sustain that anymore. I think back in the day, in this sort of era, before we came up, there were people who just could have, like, A regional theater career. And there were also like more companies across the country, you know, that would foster actors careers. So it got harder to do. But at one time I was like, yeah, this is romantic and it's great. And when you're young, you know, it seems really cool. And plus, I needed a place to sleep. So, you know, I'd live in some housing, you know, in some city for, you know, a couple months at a time. And it would tide me over, you know, until my next sublet or couch that I was sleeping on or whatever.

Wow. Amazing. But then, so in terms of Broadway itself, like, I eventually got to Broadway with James Earl Jones, which was of course a dream and a miracle. And you know, still just like a. Like a. Almost like I dreamt the whole thing and it's a fantasy. It was so incredible just to go to the theater every day, you know, and think, like, I'm in this show on Broadway. Like, what the heck? Like, do you feel that way? How do you feel?

You know, I'm very grizzled. It took me a very long time to get to Broadway like you. It was a big goal for me. It was a big deal. I grew up in New York going to see Broadway shows, so it was a big deal to me. But the difference from those, like, regional theater, off Broadway days was it's a very commercial venture. Yeah, People kind of dig their heels in, like, we're gonna run this show for a long time. And like, this is my territory. There was like a different feeling. I had a lot of great experiences, but I ended up cranking out six Broadway shows in five years.

Oh, my God.

And by the end of that, and I wanted the experience of like a long run because, you know, when you do a regional show, you know, it's a couple months and then you're done. And usually I wanted to be done. But I would wonder about the people who did long runs on Broadway and these kind of legendary people who played one part for a long time. Like, how do you do that? How do you keep it alive for that long? And I wanted to have that experience and I did. And then I just realized, oh, it makes me completely crazy. Like, I wanted to keep it fresh and you know, you know, people are paying a lot of money and I take that all very seriously. But it can kind of. It can kind of make you crazy.

Oh, definitely. It's so hard. It's so incredibly hard to do one show eight times a week. One show eight times a week is a fascinating challenge. I mean, sex and the city. And just like, that is a different challenge. Right. Because you're playing the same character, but you're in different situations. You know, different things are happening. And sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's serious, but when you're doing the same exact story night after night after night. Oh, wow. It was, like, fascinating. I've never had a long run either, though. But just doing eight shows a week is just a whole thing.

It is. It's a thing. You know, this has been amazing, but it has been an incredible amount of work. Just a lot of mental. It's like the most kind of mentally challenging one of them. That's interesting things I've done because it's, you know, and also it's that thing. I don't know if you've had this opportunity to, like, play a real life person. A real person.

I have. It's so stressful.

Well, you. You want to honor that person's life, you know, and so it also comes with that. And we're all playing real people.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

And you're playing great people, which is super fascinating.

Yeah, but. But, you know, complicated. And. Yeah, it's a really amazing moment in time, moment in history. So it's taken a lot. Plus, we have, you know, multimedia things going on.

I heard, I read, I read in.

Some of the glowing reviews, but it's going really well. And people love. And I think people are kind of hungry for this kind of thing right now. To hear the language that Edward R. Murrow spoke in the 50s and speaking truth to power. And people just kind of like being at their best doing great things. And, you know, and a lot of these people were. It was earlier in their careers. Not Murrow, but a lot of the other characters, you're seeing, them, you know, they went on to be legendary news people, but at this point, they didn't know if they were going to make it to next week, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

That's amazing.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Yeah, that's amazing. And what an incredible thing to be doing right now in our world.

Yeah, it feels good. At a time where it feels like, you know, you can feel very helpless. You know, it can feel like, what can I do? This just feels like to go to work and be like, okay, this is why I'm an actor and this is what I'm doing.

Yeah.

You don't feel that very often, really landing with people. So that part has been great.

It's super exciting. Can I just tell you a little anecdote about James Earl Jones?

Yeah. What was the show that you did with It.

It was the Best man, which we used to do, like, every election time there would be a version of the best man.

Was that with Michael Wilson?

Yeah.

I love Michael.

[Kristen Davis]

I love Michael Wilson so much.

[Bom Han]

So much.

[Glenn Fleshler]

I didn't remember that. You did that. I should know.

Yes, I did. And the weirdest thing about it was that. So I replaced. Oh, I'm not gonna remember her name. Carrie something. I replaced. I was like the second cast. So it was the most incredible cast all the way around. But Michael Wilson had said to me, we tried to get you in the beginning. I was like, well, I never heard that. What? Like, that's like your worst nightmare as an actor, right? Like, that someone tried to get you in a Broadway show and somehow your agents didn't feel like telling you. It was one of those moments where I do think there was an agency's change, you know, you do have those times.

I've had that a couple of times. Not often, but once in a while where somebody's. I tried to get this to you. Did you ever hear about this? And I never heard about it.

You're like, how could this happen? Like, this is something that, of course, I would have moved heaven and earth to do. Like, with James Earl Jones.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm sorry.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Also an incredible rest of the cast. But like, James Earl Jones. I mean, come on. So anyway, I replaced with John Stamos. We came in to replace Eric McCormack and Carrie Something. She's very nice. And it was John Larroquette. You know, it's like everyone was amazing. Candice Bergen, I mean, it was. It was so incredible. So I would. I was. I came on kind of late in the first act, and I had a lot of time to kill, and I was so incredibly nervous to be on the stage with these people. And I'd never been on Broadway. I'd grown up doing theater. I'd done theater at Rutgers. I'd gone to their BFA program. But I was rusty, you know, I was like, ah, so scared. And John was like the best co star in the world, but he had to go on, right? So I was just by myself. And I would go downstairs because they had built a dressing room for James Earl Jones that was on the same floor as the stage so that he didn't have to go up and down the stairs. And I would just go down there to hang out with him because he would just hang.

[Kristen Davis]

He loved people.

[Glenn Fleshler]

He loved to talk to everybody. So you could, like, stop in his dressing room and talk to him or, like, sit backstage and talk to him or watch him, and he would change.

[Kristen Davis]

Up stuff every night.

[Glenn Fleshler]

It was incredible. It is amazing when you get to meet people who obviously you've admired your whole life and, you know, watch their work and whatnot, and to be around them and then to see whatever way, because there's so many different ways to make it work, you know?

Yeah, I mean, that was my last experience, really, of being on stage. I became this sort of go to person that could do these littler parts or little understudy roles and be on stage with Meryl Streep or Al Pacino or Christopher Walken. And so I had this run. I mean, I went to London and did a play with Maggie Smith. It was all kind of in a row. So I was like, what's happening after? Like, no one knew who the hell I was for years, you know, and suddenly I was having these opportunities. But I also, I felt like if I had stayed just doing theater, then I would have been like, understudy to the stars or something, you know, not. And so I knew that there was more out there for me to do. And I wanted the challenge of, you know, I felt like film and television, even though I was doing it here and there along the way. I just. In fact, I remember about you, about watching you work because it was my first TV gig and I was a little, of course, nervous about it and not didn't know that, didn't know the technique or, you know, I don't know if I still do, but I definitely at that time, didn't know, you know. And I remember watching you and thinking like, oh, she's done a lot. I don't know if I thought you were on a soap or had done. I knew you had done some stuff, but I was just like, your comfort level on camera. Like, that really struck me because I was like, oh, she's just so easy. And for me, I had these few lines and this little part, but it's like, becomes so important, which makes it hard. Those little parts are really hard.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Glenn Fleshler]

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[Sam]

My husband has a secret son from a past partner.

[John]

Hold up, Sam. How do we know? Have we done the DNA test?

[Sam]

Well, John, luckily its mother may have a DNA test week on okay Storytime Podcast. So we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five year old.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Whoa.

[Sam]

At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

[John]

Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad?

[Sam]

Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son, but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it, too.

[John]

So what's the husband got to say about this?

[Sam]

This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the L room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife.

[John]

Oh, this is a mess.

[Sam]

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[Glenn Fleshler]

That's what struck me, and I'm glad to hear you say that because like I said, my memory of myself first season was that I was kind of a mess or that I felt inside like a mess.

You know, of course, that was interesting for me to hear you say that on some of the other pods. You did. Because I was like, oh, to me, you were just like, oh, the seasoned pro from la. And like, you know, just really easy. And I was just like, oh, I need some of that.

Well, excellent. Well, this is what I felt about you. And it must have been either. And because I barely remember, like, there are things that I don't remember, like I should have come talk to you in the cafeteria or whatever. Like, I don't know what was going on with me that I wasn't. I was probably. We were probably running lines or so who knows? But you know what struck me compared to we did have this whole kind of run of these young men who came on the show. Right. First season, second season, before the show really hit, and they were in what we think was going on, which we don't know, but we would discuss it when they weren't there. It was weird because the men were the girlfriend parts, right? Like, in a way that they weren't really used to being. And they seemed perplexed about how to do that, you know? Whereas all of us, very well versed in how to do that, because that was basically what you got to do in TV and film back then. You know what I mean? Unless you were Meryl Streep.

That's what I heard from all my female friends, my actress friends is like, it's another girlfriend, part wife, you know?

Exactly, exactly. And they're very hard in a certain way because you kind of have to figure the guy out and what they want and still be a person.

You want to be a person, not a.

You want to be whole. Absolutely. And what I remember about you, and maybe I knew about your theater record or maybe I didn't. I kind of just felt like you were this schmol, like, for whatever reason. And I just remember you being so present, and that's really what you want. That's really the basic gist of everything that you want in a. Especially in a romantic thing, because you want to have it, have some life. And it can't. Even with the incredible writing that we had, which first season, we're still finding ourselves. But they wrote really well. But if you're not present with the other person, you're having to do so much more work. And I remember you just being a breath of fresh air in that regard, which is why I always had such a fond, fond memory. I was like, oh, that was a great storyline. Thank God.

I'm amazed you even remember it after all these years.

Yeah. I mean, it stood out. It really stood out. There's a lot of things about first.

Season, to me, that's a tribute to you, because I just feel like you made me. So after that initial thing of that look in your eyes seeing me.

I'm sorry.

[Jenna Bush Hager]

I'm sorry.

[Glenn Fleshler]

That's okay. I think you were right. I would have.

I'm sure I was a little like. I was like, wow. They really went for it. I think that's what I thought. Because that's what I thought when I rewatched. I was like, wow. I forgot that they really, really went for it. Wow.

[Dutch Vet]

Right.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Because nobody was doing that on TV before your show. I don't think that you would see something like that.

That's right.

And, you know, there were laughs, but it was like, you're also trying to play it for real, kind of. And, in fact, I remember, I think I was at a Shakespeare festival that summer when the show aired, and I was like, you know, I don't know what I thought about the show and, like, how that was gonna come off and anything. I was a little worried to watch.

It, but I get it.

But this friend of mine who was in the cast was like, we're gonna gather everybody, and we're gonna watch this show. And so we watch it, like, late at night. Somebody recorded it after. After a performance, I think. And we're sitting in this, like, housing. We're in all watching it, and there's, like, a moment, I'm, like, eyeballing you, and then I, like, flick a cigarette, and the whole room erupted. I remember that response. I was like, oh, I guess this works. Like, I had no idea that it was funny that it was anything. I knew that it was good working with you, but beyond that, I had no idea how it would come across. So it was kind of funny to do it with a room full of people. My first TV thing, and just have people go crazy.

That's amazing. I love that. I mean, that is the one thing about television that's sometimes a bummer, is that you don't get to see the audience react. You know, like, it's just such a joy when. Cause we would usually premiere the first two episodes, like, with a group, and it's such a joy because when you're working and you watch yourself by yourself, you're always critical. You're always gonna have some critical whatevers. But if you can watch everyone else respond, it takes that away, and you can.

[John]

Yeah.

[Glenn Fleshler]

I've been lucky enough to have a few shows where, you know, you got to go to a big premiere or something, and they'd show the first episode or two, and you get to do that with that theater full of people. That is great.

Yeah, it is great. And that's the great thing about live theater, too. It's just that immediate. You're just immediate. Immediately in sync with what's happening. I know it well. What a joy. What a joy you are. And I'm gonna come see that show, and I can't wait. And I wish you all the success in the world.

[Kristen Davis]

And thank you for coming on the podcast.

[Glenn Fleshler]

It's really been a privilege, and it's so good to see you after all this year.

I know. And that's also what I love about acting, right? Like, you get to meet so many different people and then you don't know if you'll see them again or if you won't, or if you'll get to see their work. And like, it's just been such a joy over the years to be like, oh, my God, that's that guy. There he is killing or whatever.

Yeah, yeah. One theater director I had said, we're friends of the heart, you know, because we don't see each other, we don't know almost each other or if. But you know, you see the person's work and you go, oh, that's my person. I know.

That's so true. That's so true. And you feel connected. You are connected. That's a good point. I like that. I like that very much. Well, friend of the heart, go and have a good show. Oh, you don't have a show tonight. Have a good week of shows.

I have a day off.

You have a day off. Thank you for talking to me on your day off.

It's been such a, such a pleasure and it's great to see you. And congratulations. Congratulations on everything. And on this podcast, which I think is so awesome, you're really, you're really working very hard.

I can see I am working very hard.

You're doing a lot of these.

Make it what I want it to be. You know, it's an ongoing process, tons of material.

And because you had so many great actors on the show over the years, you know, I know from the New York theater side of things, like all the kind of cool people you've had coming through there. So I think it would be a blast.

Yeah, that's the joy, you know, of working in New York and getting to have those people. And I've just been really picky about who I've had on, but you have been on my list. And thank you, thank you for coming through because there are people where people talk about them like you and also Andrea Boccatelli, who played the modelizer, the model guy, the Bone they called him in the first or second episode. No one has found him for years. I mean, he's not like you. He's a realtor now. But I got him, I got him on. So, like, I have my, you know, my, like, people I'm. I'm looking forward to, and you were one of them. So thank you so much.

Well, it was a no brainer. I'm thrilled to see you and thanks for having me.

It's my pleasure, Glenn. Okay. I can't wait to see the show. Okay, bye.

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[Sam]

My husband has a secret son from a past partner.

[John]

Hold up, Sam. How do we know how we done the DNA test?

[Sam]

Well, John, luckily its mother may have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes My husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five year old.

[Glenn Fleshler]

Whoa.

[Sam]

At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

[John]

Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad?

[Sam]

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.