Sex and the City with the Uptown Girl (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Sex and the City with the Uptown Girl" (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")

Introduction

In Season 2, Episode 8 of "Are You A Charlotte?" titled "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra," host Kristin Davis engages in a heartfelt and insightful conversation with renowned supermodel and activist Christy Turlington. Together, they delve deep into their experiences with the iconic TV show "Sex and the City," reflecting on its cultural impact, personal memories, and enduring relevance.

Reflecting on the Past

Kristin Davis begins by expressing her admiration for Christy Turlington's ability to document her life's journey through journals, which later inspired her to write a book. This introspection sets the stage for a meaningful dialogue about personal growth and the challenges they faced during and after their time on the show.

• Kristin Davis (04:13): "How was the experience of looking back?"
• Christy Turlington (04:24): "It was a really interesting experience. I have kept journals for the past, like, 50 years."

Behind the Scenes Insights

Christy shares candid moments from the set, highlighting the camaraderie and the intense filming schedules. She reminisces about specific scenes, such as Mr. Big's Sinatra-esque performance, and the challenges of balancing personal life with the demands of a hit television series.

• Christy Turlington (10:05): "I love that scene. But I think that that was across the street from the Ambassador Theater where I played Roxie Hart."
• Kristin Davis (11:08): "That's one of those things too, where I do have so many thoughts and feelings and memories about all the locations."

Personal Lives and Professional Journeys

The conversation takes a personal turn as Christy opens up about her life during the early days of "Sex and the City," including her divorce and the birth of her son, Sailor. Kristin empathizes, fostering a deeper understanding of the pressures they both faced.

• Christy Turlington (11:25): "I was actually just fresh out of one divorce and just rushing into another marriage."
• Kristin Davis (12:08): "A lot going on in Christy's life back then."

Cultural Impact and Aging

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the portrayal of aging and relationships in the show. Both hosts analyze how societal perceptions of ageism were addressed (or mishandled) in the episode, reflecting on the character dynamics between Carrie and Mr. Big.

• Christy Turlington (32:21): "I just feel like age is sort of like that last frontier in America that does need addressing."
• Kristin Davis (34:27): "Like it's interesting, but yet, on the other hand, there's this hunger to talk about it."

They critique specific scenes, such as the discomfort surrounding the portrayal of a man's aging body and the complexities of Carrie’s relationship with a younger man. Christy emphasizes the need for kindness and acceptance regarding aging, while Kristin acknowledges the challenges of balancing drama and comedy in storytelling.

• Christy Turlington (29:30): "It has to be relatable and, if you're going to give the fun adventures... you also have to say it's not always only the good stuff."
• Kristin Davis (30:55): "I think that as a show, feeling more confident about really having the Carrie Biggs storyline have its ups and downs and go to the drama as well."

Generational Perspectives and Modern Reflections

Both hosts discuss how new generations perceive the show differently, especially as younger audiences watch with their children. They explore themes such as gender roles, societal expectations, and the evolution of relationships over time.

• Christy Turlington (35:47): "I saw Sarah Jessica over the summer. She had an event at her house... political kind of event."
• Kristin Davis (37:21): "How can we still be at this place?"

Kristin shares anecdotes about interactions with fellow cast members and fans, highlighting the lasting legacy of "Sex and the City" and its relevance in contemporary conversations about gender and age.

Navigating Personal and Public Personas

The dialogue extends to the challenge of separating personal identities from their on-screen characters. Kristin and Christy discuss the emotional intricacies of being beloved figures and how public perception can blur the lines between their real selves and their television personas.

• Christy Turlington (48:42): "Like vigorous and healthy right to the end."
• Kristin Davis (48:58): "All of those things for your br. I know it's..."

Concluding Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Kristin and Christy reaffirm the importance of storytelling that encompasses both the triumphs and the tribulations of life. They emphasize the need for authentic narratives that resonate across different generations, advocating for a more inclusive and understanding portrayal of aging and relationships.

• Christy Turlington (48:16): "Like vigorous and healthy right to the end."
• Kristin Davis (48:17): "It's absolutely. Active. You have to be active and..."

Notable Quotes

1. Kristin Davis (04:13): "How was the experience of looking back?"
2. Christy Turlington (32:21): "I just feel like age is sort of like that last frontier in America that does need addressing."
3. Kristin Davis (34:27): "Like it's interesting, but yet, on the other hand, there's this hunger to talk about it."
4. Christy Turlington (48:42): "Like vigorous and healthy right to the end."

Conclusion

"The Man, The Myth, The Viagra" episode of "Are You A Charlotte?" offers a profound exploration of personal and societal themes through the lens of two influential women. Kristin Davis and Christy Turlington provide listeners with an introspective look at their journeys, the impact of "Sex and the City," and the ongoing dialogue surrounding aging and relationships. This episode serves as a testament to the show's enduring legacy and the power of candid conversations in shaping cultural narratives.

Transcript

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Christy Turlington]

I'm great.

[Kristen Davis]

How are you? You know, pretty good. I mean, hanging in there, rolling with it. You know, looking back, it's super interesting. And this is partly what I was thinking about with your book as well, because obviously, I mean, we're here to talk about the show. We will talk about the show. But I love that people that I grew up with, watching, like yourself, and also have gotten to meet over the years and admired, are now writing about their lives in such an interesting way of, like, all the changes that have happened culturally and how you've kind of been right there for a lot of it. And I think it's such a gift. And how was the experience of looking back?

[Christy Turlington]

You know, it was. It was a really interesting experience. I have kept journals for the past, like, 50 years.

[Kristen Davis]

Smart.

[Christy Turlington]

And, and sometimes it's just drawings on the pages. It's things that I glue in there, you know, souvenirs, ticket stubs and, and leaves and whatever. But. But then it really guided me for the book because I came across the journals and I started reading, going, wow, you know, I really have had a lot of adventures, and, and whenever I tell my adventure stories, people always say, you gotta write a book. So I started writing the book, and I quickly discovered that some chapters I really didn't want to write about, but those are the chapters I think that my publishers were most interested in. Of course, I love the daring do adventures and all of that, but they're like, no, no, no. People will relate because people go through divorces and people go through all of that and, and you. It. It has to be relatable and, and if you're going to give the fun adventures and, and some of the stuff that modeling has afforded me, you know, you also have to say it's not always only the good stuff.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely.

[Christy Turlington]

Life is a series of. Of moments. And if you're going to write a book, you kind of have to give the good and the bad, the beautiful, the ugly, the whole thing, warts and all.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, this is life. This is life. And it's life whether you might be one of the most beautiful women in the world or not. You know what I'm saying? I think that's also just such a really fascinating and powerful thing. But I also feel what I take from it is that you have been through so much and yet you still do have this kind of beautiful, hopeful, you know, love of adventure and openness. And that's what I admire so much.

[Christy Turlington]

Oh, thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

And I feel like that's a gift that you.

[Christy Turlington]

That's something that. That I admire in your character, Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

It's very related. It really is. It really is. I don't even really have to ask you of yours, Charlotte, because I kind of think. I know.

[Christy Turlington]

I mean, I. You know, wait. My daughters. My daughters and I have this on 24. 7. It's like comfort food, you know, the world. So crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

We could put on an episode of Sex in the City and the music wakes up and then it's like being with old friends. It really is something that we really enjoy together. And we're always saying, I don't know. I think I'm a. I think I'm this. I'm that. You know, it just.

[Kristen Davis]

Does it change?

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Interesting.

[Christy Turlington]

You know, I think I've been a little bit of everybody. Oh. You know, wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. Well, we'll get to maybe more of that later as we go through the episode. That's an interesting answer, Kristen. It would not. Would have one. I would have anticipated you saying, very interesting. Okay, I like it. I like it. I feel like, too, it's. It's one of those things for me where I didn't really ever rewatch until I started the podcast because I just felt like I don't wanna live in the past, you know, it was such a mixed thing. But on the other hand, and I hadn't seen the episodes since we made them, and they would send them on the VHS tape and we'd run home and watch them. And I wouldn't really watch them on HBO at the time either. Cause, you know, I was living my life and enjoying everyone else saying, you know, but this is back in the day where we talked about it rather than writing about it online, of course. And I just Love to see the. Hear the reaction, you know, the next week or whatever. And now to look back on it because so many people are now seeing it from Netflix and rewatching it and telling me what you just said.

[Christy Turlington]

So many people watching it with their kids.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Which, you know, mind boggling. Mind boggling. Like we never would have dreamt this in a million 100 years. But I love to hear the different generations and their thoughts and feelings about the characters, about the bigger plot points, which plot points or stories or themes still res. It's super fascinating, but it is such a. It's very kind of therapeutic and interesting also, you know, I mean, sometimes I have unexpected feelings and sometimes I don't remember anything. And there's parts of this particular episode and I should tell everyone we are rewatching the episode. It is 208, so we're still in the second season. It is the man, the myth, the Viagra, a very mysterious and loaded title. And it is directed by Victoria Hochberg and written by Michael Patrick King. And this one would have been. We would shoot two at a time. So the last one that we watched was the Chicken Dance, which Victoria also directed. So we would have been filming them both simultaneously. And sometimes I find that I remember one plot more than the other plot, you know, because you're just so, like, overwhelmed, basically in the moment. And obviously it was a while ago and we were always up all night and, you know, semi delirious. So let me ask you too, I'd love to hear, like, when we were doing this show in the beginning, which would have been, you know, 97 is the pilot. 98. Where were you? Were you watching? What were your thoughts?

[Christy Turlington]

Okay, well, also, I just have to mention, you know the scene where Mr. Big sings?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Christy Turlington]

So I love that. I was surprised. He's got like a real Frank Sinatra voice.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally agree.

[Christy Turlington]

And I just love that scene. But I think that that was across the street from the Ambassador Theater where I played Roxie Hart.

[Kristen Davis]

I think you're right. Oh, my God. Incredible.

[Christy Turlington]

I was like, when I first saw that, I was like, oh, my God, that's the restaurant across the street.

[Kristen Davis]

I think you're absolutely right. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's a good one. That's a good one. It is one of those things too, where I do have so many thoughts and feelings and memories about all the locations, because, of course, we were around in there and we were always trying to film somewhere that was familiar to us and. Or the moment, you know, the restaurant of the moment or whatever. It was. But I think that in particular was Chris's special place that he obviously loves. Yes, yes.

[Christy Turlington]

Because they really do do the singing, and I bet he really is a regular.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Which is incredible. Okay, so where were you in New York?

[Christy Turlington]

I'm trying to think of what. What year was that?

[Kristen Davis]

97. We did the pilot. 98. We came on the air.

[Christy Turlington]

Okay. 97.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Christy Turlington]

So that was, I think Sailor. Let's see. Sailor was born in 98.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my gosh. Amazing, Amazing. That's what you are doing.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah. So 97. I was actually just fresh out of one divorce and just rushing into another marriage.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Christy Turlington]

Didn't take time to learn the lesson.

[Kristen Davis]

You're human, babe. It's okay.

[Christy Turlington]

And then, you know, a year later, there's Sailor.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Right.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah, right.

[Kristen Davis]

A lot going on. A lot going on in Christy's life back then. I love it. I love it. And when do you ever remember where did you already have your house at the beach at that point?

[Christy Turlington]

At that point, I had. I had moved lock, stock and barrel from the Hamptons to Colorado.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Christy Turlington]

All my stuff was still in Colorado. So when I came back, my apartment in the city was empty. It was summertime, and so I wanted to look like. Despite the fact that my life was in shambles and I had a brand new baby boy, I was like, thinking, because, see, Jack was so. Jack was born in 95. Sailor was born in 90.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it. Okay.

[Christy Turlington]

This is around this time of, like, craziness in my life.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah. That's a lot.

[Christy Turlington]

Chapters that were hard to write.

[Kristen Davis]

I understand, I understand. Totally, totally, totally. I'm just wondering, like, were you. Were you aware of us so much then, or was it later when you were settled out, out in the Hamptons?

[Christy Turlington]

Oh, I was aware. I mean, you know, when you guys came on the scene, it was quite a big splash. Everybody knew and everybody was talking about it, but I didn't have time to watch a lot of tv.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Christy Turlington]

So I. Very aware. And I was aware of all of you and the clothes and the looks and all of all of that.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Christy Turlington]

But probably, really, when. I think it was during quarantine that I. Yes, really. Because I really, really wasn't watching a ton of tv.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, I understand.

[Christy Turlington]

But during quarantine, I learned about streaming things, and we would just, like, binge watch.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, got it.

[Christy Turlington]

And it was so great to look forward to another session the next day.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. So you're relatively recent. Interesting. So you have met all of us. I Assume over the years and known us without having seen the show.

[Christy Turlington]

Show, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Okay. Super fascinating.

[Christy Turlington]

Like seeing the show, but not in the sequence in the. Getting really into it the way. And especially with two girls on each side and of course, their opinions and all of that. It, it was really amazing to watch.

[Kristen Davis]

That's super interesting.

[Christy Turlington]

I bump in. I always have to tell every, every one of you. Like, I bumped into Cynthia at a screening in the Hamptons. I was like, you cannot believe your show is on all the time and, you know, and go through it and. Yeah. And recently I was, I, I, I also saw Sarah Jessica over the summer. She had an event at her house.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Christy Turlington]

Really smart, political kind of event that I wished I had time to get more involved with. But anyway, and again, I had to go, even though I was at the, the opening also of. And just like that, I remember sipping the cosmos and.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like you've been around the whole time, really, you know, because you're kind of a fixture in the Hamptons and New York and, you know, I was always aware of you being around and yes.

[Christy Turlington]

And Kim I would bump into quite frequently in the Hamptons.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right. She had a house out there at Kinis.

[Christy Turlington]

I remember we bumped into each other.

[Kristen Davis]

Aw, that's nice. It's good. So it's funny. It's like you're kind of adjacent to the show in my memory the whole time, you know, in terms of New York and like, friendly faces that we would see, you know, supportive people that obviously I was aware of my whole life because I was, you know, huge fan. And, you know, I'll just say, for any of the young people listening, part of the reason that I was a huge fan, which I think is important to say, is that. So Christy was this huge, huge model. She was on Sports Illustrated in I, I can't remember the year. I should look it up. But the thing that I loved the most about you is that you had in terms of other, the other presentation of models bodies. You had a womanly strong body, which as a young woman I really, really respected and appreciated. You were incredibly gorgeous, but you were never like that twig looking, you know, thing.

[Christy Turlington]

I tried to have that look a couple times, but, you know, life's too short.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. And you, you gave that energy as well, which was so important back then because nobody else was, you know, you were like the only one for a long time who seemed like a real person who wanted to live life and have fun and looked incredible, you know, so it was like a powerful, powerful message to my young self, which I really appreciate.

[Christy Turlington]

Oh that's. That's so nice.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. So that's. You had a special place in my mind because of that anyway, you know, and then to see you around and you know, it was just always very, very cool I thought, like very nice. And also you were always so involved in and so many interesting things, you know, politically and like community wise and I really respect that. Of course. Also big savings, bold vehicles and the perfect time to make your move. That's what the Hyundai Getaway sales event is all about. And it's happening right now. Whether you're looking to upgrade your daily commute, prep for a summer of road trips or finally make the switch to electric, Hyundai has a lineup that covers every lifestyle, every budget and every kind of driver. Hyundai is rolling out incredible deals on some of the most award winning vehicles like the versatile Kona, the sleek Tucson, the Road Trip ready Santa Fe and the fully loaded family favorite Palisade. Prefer a tech savvy sedan. The Elantra is packed with features and the Sonata is Hyundai's most advanced yet. It's a serious standout and for those ready to go electric, Hyundai is leading the charge. The all electric Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 deliver bold design, ultra fast charging and seriously impressive range. All while qualifying for potential EV incentives depending on your state. But here's the part that really sets Hyundai apart. It's not just about what you drive the off the lot, it's what comes with it. Every new Hyundai is backed by America's best warranty, a 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain limited warranty that's industry leading coverage that brings real peace of mind. And with three years or 36,000 miles of limited complimentary maintenance on every new 2025 model, Hyundai keeps delivering long after you've driven off the lot. You're not just buying a car, you're getting value, confidence and a company that truly has your back. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details. Offers end 9-2-2025 Famous Footwear has the latest styles and all the iconic brands your kids love for back to school from Nike, Adidas, Jordan brand Crocs, Converse, New Balance, Birkenstock and more. All at a great value. There's something for everyone in the family and I know for myself I cannot even keep up with the shoes that my kids want. So the fact that there are so many choices at Famous Footwear and that I can get them the next size up as soon as they outgrow the ones they have and not have to break the bank to get them. The shoes that they want is incredible. Plus they make it so incredibly easy because you can just order online because I know I don't have time to go to the shoe store. These kids grow so fast you have to just buy shoes all the time. I feel so. I love famous footwear because they make it so easy. It saves me so much time. They have over 830 stores. They're just around the corner from wherever you are. Plus buy online, pick up in store and same day delivery options powered by doordash make shopping at Famous so easy and convenient. Kids feet grow fast. Famous Footwear has fit experts in store to make sure you get the right size every time. I like that you don't have to overspend to make it famous right now. Buy one pair of shoes. Get one half off at your local famous footwear store or famous.com see store associate for details.

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[Kristen Davis]

Let's talk about the show.

[Christy Turlington]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So this particular episode I didn't have many memories of, but when I watched it, I was really into it. I think it's a great episode. I was surprised also a. Especially by the big developments. You know, I. I think that one of the things I find most interesting, and I wonder how your experience of watching with your daughters is in terms of the big Carrie relationship. The first season, I was kind of horrified. Looking back on it, I hadn't really remembered that he was so aloof and kind of not giving to her and open. But I also feel like back then, we were all so used to that as women.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah. I mean, it's funny because sometimes we look at it and we go, you know, he. He seems very patient with her.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

And he's, you know, he seems like. I mean, we kind of feel like he had a worse rap than he actually was.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. Okay.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah. And, you know, and it seemed like Sarah Jessica, I mean, Carrie was. She seemed to be the one that was trying to advance the relationship too quickly. You know, get the key, get the leave something. You know, all of that. Have him, you know, like almost a little too controlling of him.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, this is interesting. Okay. Okay.

[Christy Turlington]

I mean, I felt like I mean, it's great that she speaks her mind and says what she needs.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

But also, it seemed like when they would be having a fine time that she was making it into a problem that wasn't necessary.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, thank you, Christy. This is super interesting. My problem is that because I was in it. Right. I never thought about these things objectively at all. And now looking back on it, I have so many different feelings all the time. Like, also, because I know her. And it's so hard to separate the people from the characters, even when you know them, because they're so vivid on the screen. They're so great. Right. So, you know, in the first season, there were more times where I felt like she is kind of asking for more. And, yes, sometimes it does seem like it comes somewhat out of the blue. But I think that's because Carrie is very complex and she has a lot going on. Right. So, like. And she's holding it in. Like, in this particular episode, she's holding in that she doesn't like him looking at these other women. And they do discuss that this was very common. And they show all these other, you know, people on the street looking at other women. And obviously, we begin the show with all the beautiful women in New York, which is 100% true. So, I mean. And I also feel back then, you just didn't think twice about this. This was just the way life was or whatever. And I think Samantha also has a line that she kind of has a theme going on where she's like, that's just their biology. That's just who they are. You know, men are like that. Like, she's always saying that, which I find interesting because she kind of. I feel like Samantha is like, her frame that she sees the world in is, like, primitive. You know what I'm saying? Like, primitive. And I'm gonna be primitive, and they're gonna be primitive, and I'm not gonna expect more. Right. Which is interesting. But then with Carrie, I feel like she does hold it in. So when it comes out, it's coming out at these kind of weird times where everything kind of does seem good. But she's kept so much in. And I so relate to that.

[Christy Turlington]

But she has so many expectations.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Christy Turlington]

Supposed to be right.

[Kristen Davis]

You're so right.

[Christy Turlington]

Like when in the scene, when they're in the charming restaurant and he refers to her as his girlfriend, like, that was, like, such a. She was adorable in that scene.

[Kristen Davis]

So adorable.

[Christy Turlington]

How she managed to balance that, like, the. You know, that she was living that her Dream come true at that moment.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

And. And she. But it's like that's important. She likes to define things. She likes to have a name on it, you know, a key. I'm the girlfriend. And you're. And you know, have put, put these boxes around, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Christy Turlington]

As much freer. Like.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Christy Turlington]

Like, you know, she's ready to just live and let live and time for me, I'll take it.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right, right, right. Which is great.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So.

[Christy Turlington]

But you know, one thing that I didn't get a chance to watch the episode recently, but I just remembered when I saw the title.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Christy Turlington]

I remembered one thing that bothered me about the episode as a 72 year old woman.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Christy Turlington]

Was the. Was how. How that man's ass.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Christy Turlington]

So hard. Like just one glimpse ruined everything for me.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it's really a lot, you.

[Christy Turlington]

Know, everyone's ass is gonna go south. So harsh, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, of course, Christy, you're absolutely right. I mean, I was also surprised because I do vaguely remember this story and I remember there being stress about it where like, I think that that's not that actor's real, actual naked rear end because he didn't look old enough, whatever that meant. Because it had to be enough that it would send Samantha running from this, you know, kind of whatever glamorous thing that she thought it was gonna be. And I remember there being stress about it and I think it was based on someone's story, which is something that the writers all. Not our stories, the actors, but the writers stories. I think that also in the beginning, which in my mind the second season is still somewhat of us finding ourselves, our legs, like our element of comedy mixed in with the real, you know, so sometimes there was stress about going far enough that it be funny.

[Christy Turlington]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And when I saw it, I do remember the stress and then I was like, oh my God, we went too far. Like, oh my God. But also, also it is something that is not talked about, which I think is so interesting. Like even still it's not talked about. Right. And we all are going to age. This is true. This is it. Right? So like at some level we need to accept it and, you know, not shame it, which I hope we didn't seem like we were doing, but I could see maybe we went too far.

[Christy Turlington]

I felt like it was a little shaming, you know? You know, because I feel like as a spokesperson for the agent.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh my God, Christy, you don't have to take on the whole thing, baby. Oh my gosh. But okay, I love it. That you're going to tell us.

[Christy Turlington]

I just feel like age is sort of like that last frontier in America that does need addressing. But we have to be, you know, kinder about it because, you know, it to physical things shouldn't. I mean, I know that, you know, you can discuss that, things like that amongst girlfriends and that's what the show was doing, but it just felt like a little much.

[Kristen Davis]

I know what you mean. I, I thought the same thing when it happened. I was like, whoa, we went far. Oh, my gosh, we went far. I mean, yes, I think it's such a hard thing. And I think about this now because event just like that, we do deal with aging things and we get so much flack about it. But when we came back to do the show, it was the reason we wanted to do the show. We thought, why shouldn't we still be telling these characters stories? Why aren't these stories interesting?

[Christy Turlington]

Maybe even if there was like a thing like, okay, but you know, he is, you know, he. Okay, there's that. But he has other qualities that are absolutely right. I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no, it was not. I mean, and that's, I think back to the early days of the show too, I don't think, because we were supposed to be a comedy, right. And so we were always trying to center ourselves in the comedy. And when you do look at this episode, one of the things that did strike me also was that we're definitely as a show feeling more confident about really having the Carrie Biggs storyline have its ups and downs and go to the drama as well. Right. Which at the time, there weren't that many single camera shows that were doing both, you know, like, because we were on HBO and we didn't have to think about advertisers and all that, we were able to have that kind of range. Right. But I think that when they took the range to go to the dramatic, I think from a writing side, they also thought, oh, we have to equal that out in the comedy. Right. And so therefore they pushed that too hard. And at the time, I'm sure we were not sensitive to aging because we were in our 30s or whatever we were, you know what I'm saying? So, so I, I see, I can see how it played out. But. But I absolutely think that, you know, I think it is, as you said, kind of the last frontier. Like, we are dealing with, you know, sexism, we are dealing with racism, we are dealing with all the different things. And ageism kind of just gets like, oh, no, don' Talk about that.

[Christy Turlington]

You know what I mean?

[Kristen Davis]

Like, it's interesting, but yet, on the other hand, there's this hunger to talk about it.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you feel that? And.

[Christy Turlington]

And also, you know, maybe. Maybe shouldn't have been dating somebody so young, and that's why they talk about it, because maybe if he was dating somebody his own age.

[Kristen Davis]

Good point. Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

Then it wouldn't have, you know, been an issue.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you still follow Candace Bushnell? Candace, who, you know, originated, and she lives out. Out at the beach, too. And I had her on, and she had so many facts and figures about, you know, she's still Carrie, obviously, like, doing her work. Right. So she had numbers. She could tell you, like, you know, women over 50 or this amount of dating and women over 60. And then she wrote this whole article about being on Raya and being, you know, and dating in the Hamptons. Right. Yes. It was so good, but also so terrifying. Like, it was fascinating because the men, you know, like, there's kind of this really extreme dichotomy between the men who are the same age and the women who are the same age, and the women look fantastic.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But yet the men who are that age don't want those women.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, what are we gonna do?

[Christy Turlington]

I know. I know. It's very. I'm not on any kind of dating app like that, but my daughter, Sailor, she's so mischievous. She created. She wanted to see what kind of guys, and she put, like. For like, an hour or something, she put me up there with a name, and she said, mom, you're right not to go on it, because the same guys that, you know, said yes to me. Saying yes to you, like, it was no. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I love this experiment.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Smart Sailor. That is a really fascinating. Fascinating little experiment. I'm kind of scared and awed by the whole situation that. That. That has kind of evolved in the dating world. And I don't. I don't understand it, but I would like to understand it better. But not for me, just in general. I think, like, culturally, it's really fascinating. But I have incredibly beautiful friends who are on there, and they're over 50 and nobody. And these are incredible women who own their own houses and have these incredible careers and traveled the world and, like, to me, all the things that I ever wanted to be, you know, every. Everything. Like, their kids are grown. They're. You know, they have accomplished so much, yet the men their age are absolutely not looking for them.

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

How can we still be at this place?

[Christy Turlington]

I think That I find that what men like to do is sort of be able to find somebody that's very. Oh, that'll be impressed by every little thing that they do like. Oh, really? Oh, you're taking me to that restaurant.

[Kristen Davis]

I love your invitation. That's great and perfect. And I do, I think there are a lot of elements of this that are still true and that would have been true when we originally were making the show, you know. So like that's one of the things that I also think is interesting about Samantha with that man. That guy is so charming, you know, like as an actor he's so like, his energy is, is so alive and interesting that I can completely see why Samantha in that scene would think like, oh yes, maybe because obviously we know her to be going out with younger men largely, right. Or her own age or whatever, like whomever, right? But he's got like a very vivacious kind of, you know, energetics and fun and funny and all the things. And then he's giving her all the diamonds at dinner, which is like kind of bizarre. Do you remember this? They're at his like very fancy dining.

[Christy Turlington]

Room with the napkin and sh.

[Kristen Davis]

The unrolling of the napkins. It's a lot, man. It's a lot. I'm sure you've been like through something like this in your life. I have never experienced something like that.

[Christy Turlington]

By the way, for those who tuned in late, it's not mine. I'm in the middle of a job.

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[Kristen Davis]

The thing That I would think about with their scene though, when they do. Because you are kind of led to believe like this might work, you know, I mean, I also think it's a little interesting that Samantha would even want to be married to anyone for 10 years. Like they talk about, oh, he's not gonna last that long. He even says to herself, like, you know, I'm probably not gonna be around 10, 10, 15 years maybe. I don't even. I've never heard Samantha ever say that she wanted to get married. Right. But it seems interesting that she's open to it. And then when they do, finally after all the diamonds, go to the bedroom. I believe that the voiceover from Carrie is something to the effect of, you know, when he touched her, it was like a younger man. When he kissed her, it was like a younger man. All of the parts were working like a younger man. So you're really feeling like it's great, right?

[Christy Turlington]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And then he walks away, which is so sad.

[Christy Turlington]

It's interesting though, because she asked to dim the lights.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

She maybe suspected that that might be the case. Right?

[Kristen Davis]

You're so right.

[Christy Turlington]

Because she was like, let's turn off those lights. You're so right.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Christy Turlington]

I like it better. Something to the effect of it's sexier.

[Kristen Davis]

I think she says it's sexier. Yes, that's so true. That's so true. But then it's so interesting to me that the like, it is very. It's a very superficial thing really, which is what you're saying that everything feels great. Like if it feels great and you enjoy him, isn't that enough?

[Christy Turlington]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. It made me run to the mirror.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm sure you look amazing. Oh my God. I don't know.

[Christy Turlington]

Can I see that?

[Kristen Davis]

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[Christy Turlington]

Yeah. Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think we have the luxury of being like, I'll just let it do whatever it's going to do back there. Do you know what I mean? Right.

[Christy Turlington]

No, it's truly for our own well being. And you know, they say that, that the key is not to have to live to be 150, but to be healthy.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Christy Turlington]

No, every day until the day you just, you know, fall asleep and don't wake up.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. That's the dream, right?

[Christy Turlington]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Christy Turlington]

Like vigorous and healthy right to the end.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. Active. You have to be active and. And keep. Keep it going, keep it moving, get out there in the world. All of those things for your br. I know it's. It's super interesting, I think, how we talk about aging now as opposed to when we were younger. I think it's coming along, but I do think between the sexes, there is still this kind of massive gap.

[Christy Turlington]

Yes.

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