Should She Have Slept With Big On The First Date?? With Christine Taylor... (S1 E6 "Secret Sex")

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Should She Have Slept With Big On The First Date?? With Christine Taylor... (S1 E6 'Secret Sex')"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Are You A Charlotte?
• Host: Kristin Davis (Actress known for portraying Charlotte York in Sex and the City)
• Guest: Christine Taylor (Actress known for roles in The Brady Bunch Movie, She's the Man, Zoolander, and more)
• Episode Title: Should She Have Slept With Big On The First Date?? With Christine Taylor... (S1 E6 "Secret Sex")
• Release Date: March 17, 2025

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1. Introduction

The episode begins with Kristin Davis welcoming listeners and introducing her guest, Christine Taylor, an accomplished actress recognized for various roles in popular films and television series. Kristin warmly acknowledges Christine’s extensive career and personal life, including her marriage to Ben Stiller and their two children, Ella and Quinn.

Notable Quote:

• Kristin Davis [03:47]: "I just watched the entire season."
• Christine Taylor [03:51]: "Thank you for doing this. Are you kidding? You're so perfect."

2. Rewatching Sex and the City: Shared Experiences

Kristin and Christine reminisce about their initial experiences with Sex and the City. Kristin shares how she became a fan while living in Los Angeles and how she later got involved behind the scenes. Christine reflects on her own journey, including auditioning for roles in other Aaron Spelling shows before starring in Sex and the City. They discuss the challenges and excitement of being part of a groundbreaking show that focused on four women navigating life, love, and friendship in New York City.

Notable Quote:

• Christine Taylor [08:06]: "I was so excited that we were actually filming in New York, which was a dream come true, and also that there were four women leads, which was unheard of."

3. Deep Dive into Episode S1 E6 "Secret Sex"

The core of the episode revolves around a detailed analysis of Season 1, Episode 6, titled "Secret Sex." Kristin and Christine dissect key scenes, character dynamics, and overarching themes.

a. The Dress and First Date Dynamics

A significant portion of their discussion centers on the iconic scene where Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker) wears an eye-catching dress for her first official date with Big (Chris Noth). They explore the group's differing opinions on the dress and Charlotte's (Kristin Davis) conservative stance against having sex on the first date.

Notable Quotes:

• Christine Taylor [11:33]: "Charlotte says, 'You can't have sex on the first date because you want this to be taken seriously.'"
• Kristin Davis [11:39]: "She says, 'you can't have sex with them tonight.'"

b. Modern vs. 90s Dating Culture

The discussion shifts to comparing the dating landscape of the late '90s with today's digital age. They highlight how dating apps and hookup culture have transformed romantic interactions, yet some core dilemmas remain unchanged. Kristin mentions her observations on how younger generations, influenced by social media, navigate relationships differently.

Notable Quotes:

• Christine Taylor [13:56]: "Ella thinks there could be mixes of people and there's no Charlotte in her. She's more relatable to the modern generation."
• Kristin Davis [14:03]: "Ella is not a Charlotte. She's more self-assured and self-aware than I ever was."

c. Character Analysis: Big and Carrie

Christine offers a retrospective critique of Big's character, questioning his intentions and consistency. Kristin echoes these sentiments, expressing lingering ambivalence about his role and actions throughout the series.

Notable Quotes:

• Christine Taylor [20:00]: "Charlotte is so picky, and her outcomes don't always work out as she plans."
• Kristin Davis [19:05]: "He’s so elusive. What are his intentions?"

4. Personal Reflections and Behind-the-Scenes Insights

Kristin shares a personal anecdote about her first date with Ben Stiller, paralleling the themes of secrecy and private relationships discussed in the episode. They also delve into behind-the-scenes challenges, such as filming intimate scenes and dealing with wardrobe logistics.

Notable Quotes:

• Kristin Davis [44:21]: "Our first date was at Michelli's in the Valley with the waiters singing show tunes. It was so much fun because we're both theater nerds."
• Christine Taylor [53:09]: "We had to keep our first episodes under wraps because my mother didn't want to watch them with my grandmother."

5. Thematic Exploration: Secrets and Authenticity

A central theme of "Secret Sex" is the concept of secrets within relationships and personal authenticity. Kristin and Christine discuss how the show's portrayal of hidden aspects of sex and relationships broke societal taboos and resonated with many women seeking fulfillment.

Notable Quotes:

• Christine Taylor [42:21]: "Secrets are not great. Being open about what you like and don't like is a good development."
• Kristin Davis [42:37]: "Having more information early on in dating reduces potential hurt down the line."

6. Evolution and Legacy of Sex and the City

The hosts reflect on the enduring legacy of Sex and the City, emphasizing its role in shifting conversations around women's issues, sex, and friendships into the mainstream. They express gratitude towards the fans and discuss how the show's themes remain relevant today.

Notable Quotes:

• Christine Taylor [82:33]: "It's special to revisit something beloved by multiple generations."
• Kristin Davis [83:19]: "There are still fundamental issues women deal with collectively, even as times change."

7. Conclusion

Kristin and Christine wrap up the episode by acknowledging the personal growth they've experienced through their involvement with the show. They emphasize the importance of community, authenticity, and the ongoing relevance of the issues Sex and the City addressed. The conversation concludes on a hopeful note, celebrating the show's impact and looking forward to continued discussions in future episodes.

Notable Quote:

• Christine Taylor [85:43]: "It's a magical example of the right people, right time, right place—when magic happens."

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Final Thoughts: This episode of Are You A Charlotte? offers an insightful and nostalgic exploration of Sex and the City, particularly focusing on the "Secret Sex" episode. Through candid discussions and personal anecdotes, Kristin Davis and Christine Taylor provide a comprehensive analysis that not only revisits key moments from the show but also connects them to broader societal themes and personal experiences. Whether you're a long-time fan or new to the series, this conversation sheds light on the timeless relevance and cultural significance of Sex and the City.

Transcript

[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

Oh wow.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Dr. Joy]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

Each week we're gonna rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Dr. Joy]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Dr. Joy]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Dr. Joy]

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[Christine Taylor]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody. Today we are going to rewatch episode 106. It's called Secret Sex. And I have the incredible Christine Taylor joining me. She is an actress and you may know her as Marcia Brady in the Brady Bunch movies or from her roles in the Craft or the Wedding Singer, Zoolander, Dodgeball, Arrested Development, and most recently, the Apple TV series High Desert. She also had a memorable guest appearance on Curb youb Enthusiasm and Friends and Seinfeld. Like myself. She and her husband, Ben Stiller, are the parents of two amazing young adults, Ella and Quinn. And she co hosts with David Lasher, her own podcast called hey, dude, the 90s called Love her so much. Here's Christine. Hi.

[Kristin Davis]

Hey.

[Christine Taylor]

How are you? So good.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you for having me.

[Christine Taylor]

Well, thank you for doing this. Are you kidding? You're so perfect. I can't wait to hear your thoughts.

[Kristin Davis]

So excited.

[Christine Taylor]

Thank you. All right, can I just start off? I love to ask people, like, when did you start watching the show? What were your memories of, like, the beginning of the show? Obviously, we've both been around a long time, so.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah. And I was living in LA at the time, and I don't. It's funny because I started listening to the podcast. I, like, picked a few episodes, which now I'm going to go back and listen all the way through because now I'm slightly obsessed and restarted the show. But I like everybody else, like, I did not audition for it. I was living in la.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh.

[Kristin Davis]

I heard you tell the story of the part you played on Melrose Place, and I remember auditioning for that part.

[Christine Taylor]

No way. You auditioned for Brooke? I'm pretty sure.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I know Tory. Like, I sort of, like, that's my, like, claim to fame is that I feel like I auditioned for every Aaron Spelling show and never got cast. Never got cast.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, I'm sorry. It was an experience. It was an experience. It worked out. It worked out fine.

[Kristin Davis]

But it was. Those were those coveted jobs. Like, they were the 90s and they were whatever. Like, they were. I just remember those casting calls. But Sex and the City, I never got an audition for, but watched it in real time when it came out and just remember thinking, like, never having lived in New York before either. Thinking like New York City seems so exciting and it just seems so glamorous and spectacular and it's so edgy and. But yet I always related to Charlotte. Like I felt. I mean, we'll get into whatever you want to do.

[Christine Taylor]

Okay. Okay. I'll ask at the end. But I love that. Always love to hear that. Always love to hear that.

[Kristin Davis]

I was just a fan. I just watched the show real time and had not gone back to watch it. I've not been caught up to. And just like that, I haven't watched both of the movies, but I watched the entire season.

[Christine Taylor]

Well, you're gonna have to.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I sure am.

[Christine Taylor]

I don't even know if we should get into this now, but Christine's daughter Ella, who's so incredible just as a person. Congratulations. You have raised an incredible human, but also so incredibly talented. She is going to be on and just like that with us. She was such a joy.

[Kristin Davis]

Dream. It was dream, dream.

[Christine Taylor]

It was so great.

[Kristin Davis]

Just the greatest days working with you and Cynthia and everybody. Like she got a chance to just work with everybody.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, let me tell you, we're in a scene together where literally every person shows up and Ella was just such a trooper. I'm not gonn share any details. I don't want to give anything away, but. But we really had fun and I mean, she's just so funny and interesting. Anyway, I'm off on Ella. But isn't it weird that you have a grown up? Like you've raised a grownup?

[Kristin Davis]

It's crazy. Like, it's really crazy. And I also feel like sometimes she's more grown up, more mature, more self assured and self aware than I still am. You know what I mean? Like, I do. She grew up in a time and in a world as a young woman who has a just a different level of sort of knowing who she is and what she wants and can articulate it and state it and be okay with that, whether it is amazing or not.

[Christine Taylor]

Absolutely.

[Kristin Davis]

That's not who I ever was. That's not me neither. I strive to be that. I still.

[Christine Taylor]

Sure, yeah. But it's different times, right? I mean, that's what's also interesting about re watching the show because it was. You were in the first season, which aired in 1998, I believe we filmed it and it aired in 1998, except for the pilot, which was 1997. And sometimes when I'm watching it, like for instance, this episode where she's gonna go on her big date, which we'll get to in a second. And we all come over to give her moral support. It's almost like we're in college. Even though at the time, kind of part of what I remember being so excited about, other than the fact that we were actually filming in New York, which was a dream come true, and also that there were four women leads, which was also kind of like unheard of. And shock.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Christine Taylor]

I also was so excited that we were characters who were in our 30s. And it would mean that I could stop lying as an actress. Because remember when you would audition, you would just say whatever age the part was.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And that was a time where they could actually ask you your age, which is a no. No.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. Which is crazy. That's so crazy. Right. Like, IMDb would, like, just say your age. Like you had to say your age all the time. And you would just say like, whatever age. Or maybe one year older or younger.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah. So for me, I was like, oh, thank God I don't have to lie about my age now. What a relief.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Christine Taylor]

But we were like, you know, shockingly in our 30s. Oh, my God. You know, having sex in relationships, like, so shocking. Right. Which is funny now to look at because there's such an innocence in a way. I mean, there's also like really kind of some kind of shocking things, but also just our emotional way that we are in the show. I think it's so sweet in some ways, in ways I don't remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. There's like a simplicity to it because. And also I think because you four as a sort of like a group, like a, you know, these doing it together, it was like we as an audience were being sort of let in on these secrets that as women, we knew, we had all these conversations with our girlfriends, and it was now happening on television, which at the time was those kinds of things, you know, going back to like melrose Place or 900. It was in the more soapy version.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

A lot of that stuff was happening, but it wasn't like the real version where talking about insecurities and, you know, and like, oh, that's too much, or that's not enough, or here are the rules. Like, you're like, rules in this episode.

[Christine Taylor]

Right, Right. Oh, my gosh. The rules kill me. The rules are so funny. And I think it's so interesting. Like, it would be really fun one day to have you and Ella on at the same time. I want to do like a multi generational conversation because I am so curious how they feel now, whether these things are still true. Like, for instance, what we're. What we're basically alluding to. So this is the. The episode where Carrie goes on her first official date with Big, which is really the centerpiece of the whole episode. She wears this incredible dress, which we'll get to in a minute, but we come over Samantha. Miranda and Samantha come over for emotional support before she goes, which is so kind of cute and adorable. And she's wearing this incredible dress that we kind of, like, hype her up a bit. And then Charlotte's very concerned because the dress is. Is like kind of a naked type dress. You're.

[Kristin Davis]

First of all, your reaction just when she walks in. And I watched the episode twice because I watched it the first. Ella. As soon as I told Ella I was doing this podcast, she was like, I have to watch the episode with you because I watched the series three years ago, and I haven't watched it in three years. She was like, so I need to rewatch it again anyway, so you have to save that episode. So I watched a few for, like, I started the show again. And then she and I last night got together, ordered some food, and watched like, four, I think three of them or something like that. Excellent. And we stuck this episode. So I wouldn't, like, get too ahead of things.

[Christine Taylor]

I understand. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

But I. You're. So I was just taking it all in, and then I rewatched it again this morning. And your reaction. Everyone else is like, dying over how amazing she looks in the dress. And Charlotte's reaction is like, I know. Oh, my God. Are you serious?

[Christine Taylor]

I know. The faces I make. Oh, my God, the faces.

[Kristin Davis]

Naming it the naked dress, which is.

[Christine Taylor]

I know it, and it kind of is. And then Miranda says it's tits on toast, which is also kind of hysterical and pretty accurate. But then it's kind of adorable what everybody says and interesting and stunning. Still kind of. I. I'm sure that this is different, but Charlotte says. This really cracks me up. Charlotte says, because the number. She basically says, you can't have sex with them tonight. Do not have sex on the first date, because you want.

[Kristin Davis]

You want this to be taken seriously, right? Right.

[Christine Taylor]

I want it to work out. I'm in. I'm in the big camp right from the get go, though. I mean, when I'm watching it back, I'm like, why? But whatever, that's a different conversation. So I say, because the number of dates that you wait to have sex with a man is directly proportional to your age.

[Kristin Davis]

What. What am I talking about? I was trying to figure out what that even means.

[Christine Taylor]

And also, like, does it get smaller as you get older or. Or does it grow as you go? I'm really confused.

[Kristin Davis]

I love that. No. And I love that they just let it go.

[Christine Taylor]

They're just like, whatever, girl, whatever, you know, which is what they often do to me. But then even Miranda says, don't have sex on the first date. I believe she says, don't on the first date. Then Samantha says, and very, very smart, she says, you can still get dumped on your first date or your 10th date whenever you have sex. And this is a good point. A good point, Samantha. So my curiosity in. Now that there's been dating apps and there's been hook. The hookup culture and all this, like, what do the young people think? Did Ella give any insight?

[Kristin Davis]

I, you know, it's so funny. I would love to. I, you know, listen, I have a kid who tells me everything. So I really, you know, even my son, who's 19, he's still the kid who tells things as a nice.

[Christine Taylor]

Love it.

[Kristin Davis]

He's a mom boy. So I love that. I still get, like. I also love that about this generation. And being a parent of kids of this generation is sort of like. I guess our own flaw was like, in the helicopter parenting of it all. And also through Covid, we all spend so much time together. So I had a friend once say to me, like, when your kids are younger and they're babbling about stuff that, like, is unimportant, just act so intriguing. You know, just really, like, pretend like, the blowing the bubbles on the thing was the greatest thing. And you're gonna just. Because as the information gets more important as they get older, the trust is there and they know they got you.

[Christine Taylor]

And so smart.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So I don't know. I. What I will say about Ella. She didn't really have insight. I just know she is not a Charlotte. She's like the last of the list. She is not a Charlotte as much. She's like, I don't think there's much Charlotte at all in her. She thinks there could be mixes of people and she. There's no Charlotte in.

[Christine Taylor]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Just funny because she's my child and I would say I'm hysterical, mostly Charlotte.

[Christine Taylor]

So I love it. I love it. How interesting. I mean, for me, Charlotte's whole, like, full addiction to rules the entire first and I think second season is kind of fascinating. And I remember it just being a big challenge to act because it's not me at all. And I grew up in the south where everyone wanted to get married and they were debutantes and all that. And my whole reaction to that is like, ew. And therefore, I'm playing one of those women. And I just tried to draw on, you know, people that I knew and kind of the obsession with it. And I think with the obsession, which is really, you know, it's an obsession to an outcome, Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

And so. And that's what's great about Charlotte, is that her outcomes don't always work out in that way, that it's a lesson for her as opposed to somebody who's on that trajectory. And then it all works out gloriously, which I don't really know if that happens.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Christine Taylor]

But I love that about her. You know, she's always, like, super focused, whether I agree or not. And then she's got a lot of research. Like, there's one episode coming where I have a book, and I'm like, this book tells you how to get married. And they're all just rolling. Their every eyeball is just rolling and rolling, rolling. But, you know, Charlotte's didactic. She's, like, committed. She's hardcore, you know, which I love. But it was sometimes hard to play in terms of. Of, you know, how could I deepen it out and make it relatable? And what if you weren't one of those people and you were watching it? I didn't want people to hate her. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Or to have her feel like the boring one or the. But I don't. It doesn't ever play that way. And maybe it was because, you know, on some level I could relate so much, but I. You know, in listening to some of your other episodes, the way you talk about needing that voice of reason because the other. You know what I mean? You like to make you need those different perspectives to make it feel relatable and real and for there to be the question mark on the person. Like, for, you know, Samantha, who's, like, opposite.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Someone's got to be the sounding board there for their.

[Christine Taylor]

Definitely not.

[Kristin Davis]

Not everyone is. Is Samantha, right? No.

[Christine Taylor]

No. And not everyone's Charlotte. And I think the great thing is that it gave us a way to debate the topics. And because Carrie is a, you know, journalist and really doing research in so many ways, you know, I wonder. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It gave different. Living examples of the different ideas, which was great. And that's why we can still talk about it. I think in. In. In so many ways, the reason that it's still interesting. So, I mean, when, when they have this whole conversation. It's, you know, it's of course, always scary to talk about these things in your own life. And you're happily married, which, you know, I admire you and Ben so much. But, you know, I don't even know anymore. Like, there's two themes in this episode. One is the secret sex of it, all, right? Because basically they, they, they go out. He takes her to this kind of hole in the wall Chinese restaurant. She thinks it's great. The first time they go, maybe not so much the second time they go, but the first time she's like, this is great because it's so New York, right? Like, to me that's, that's the joy of New York Chinese food.

[Kristin Davis]

There's what's better, right?

[Christine Taylor]

Exactly. And sometimes it doesn't have to look glamorous to be good. I mean, pretty much all the time, really. Right. So I love that about it. And Sarah Jessica knows like every Chinese restaurant in New York City and is a really good resource if you ever need to know, but I'm sure you don't. So they got the idea of secret sex and the idea of the rules. And I remember when we did this scene, this was one. When I look back, a lot of the things I don't have super clear memories of because it was like 8 million years ago. But there's. This was a good bonding. This was a. Because we didn't really have coffee shop scenes yet, you know, which I really miss when I'm watching, which is funny because they're so hard to film, as I'm sure you would understand. All of us, every angle of everyone eating and eating, you know, for an entire 16 hour day. But I do miss them now when I'm looking back. So this is almost like a coffee shop scene just in her apartment, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Christine Taylor]

And I love that we're there for her and I love that it's a good example of like everyone with their viewpoint, right? Everyone's got their different viewpoint, but we know that the stakes are so high because we know how much she's liked Big for a while. And they have this whole, like, interesting, you know, flirtation that's not obvious, but they're.

[Kristin Davis]

And he's so elusive. He's. What, what are his intentions? You know, every. You very question marky about him from the get go. But he's got her. He's got a grip on her, right?

[Christine Taylor]

He's got a grip on her.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, for sure. And they play it so well. I, I mean, I Hadn't really remembered how many kind of weird interactions they have before they actually date. And the chemistry is so obviously there from the get go. But also, he is, in my mind, extremely questionable. But this is my mind now. I don't ever remember thinking that back then.

[Kristin Davis]

You're right. Right. I don't think for me. And this is, of course, jumping ahead. Like, it was playing out in real time. And it was like, okay, you know, I. I see her draw. I get all this. What are his real intentions? But I. I was always sort of like team Aiden when came in. Like, that's down that you're not going to get to that for a while on the podcast.

[Christine Taylor]

I'm not. But it's super interesting. It's super interesting. But I also. Charlotte was such a, you know, big, big, big. Though when I look back on it, I'm like, why? Why? She's a problem. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

And also, even when you see it and knowing, like, where things go and all the ups and downs and the, you know, where the series goes, it's like, even early on, it's like, he's got moments where you're like, what a jerk.

[Christine Taylor]

I know. And one of those moments, okay, so she's got. She puts on this gorgeous dress. She looks like a million dollars, right? And it's the dress that she wears for the COVID of her book or whatever. And they put it on the bus and she decides to wear that. And of course, Charlotte is, like, doubtful that this is a good idea or whatever, but obviously she looks amazing. She walks out. She puts on the vintage fur. She walks out and he says, interesting dress. And she says, meaning? And he says, interesting dress. And I'm like, ew.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. That's, like, so smug, right, Ellen? I were both like, he's so mean. Right?

[Christine Taylor]

I know, I know. It's like negging. I don't even know if that had been, you know, invented yet or whatever or written about, but, you know, that whole thing. And I have had men try to neg me before, and I'm like, get away from me now. Like, do not say anything negative to me. It's not gonna work out. Especially if you just met me. It's crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

It's like a reverse psychology, but it doesn't work.

[Christine Taylor]

No, it's terrible. So anyway, the weird part of this is they get in the car and pretty quickly they're just making out, and I'm just like, carrie, Carrie. Oh, my gosh. But whatever. At the time, Charlotte didn't feel that way, but I feel this Way. Looking back on it, the other thing that I think of. And I wanted to ask you this just as an actor.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

There is a funny quality to almost all of the sex scenes up to this point of this, like, frenetic frenzy thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Christine Taylor]

Do you remember this in time?

[Kristin Davis]

I. I don't remember it in real time. I really don't.

[Christine Taylor]

It's odd. Like, what on earth. Like, do people actually do this? I don't think so.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Like, walking in from a doorway and, like.

[Christine Taylor]

And, like, I gotta pull your clothes off, you know? And I do. I feel. I feel it was coming in a way from the Melrose 90210 vibe. I think that was going on there too, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, this kind of. It's like a heightened. I don't know if it. It doesn't seem sexy to me at all.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it does not feel realistic, but it's like, there's something, I guess, for a viewer that's. And. And also when you've got, like, less than 30 minutes to show an episode.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, good point.

[Kristin Davis]

You're not getting the time to do a lot of that. But I do think there's probably, like, the sort of, like, titillation of, like, oh, that's somebody's fantasy, that that's how it would happen. But it's just. I don't know.

[Christine Taylor]

Whose fantasy is that? I want to know. I want to know. Is it men's fantasy? See, this is one thing I'm really interested in looking back on, you know, the viewpoint of what. What we were doing. And. And it. It does kind of. I mean, luckily we have the sex scenes or the. The scenes after the sex. Right. So, like, they show Carrie and Big after sex and she tries to talk to him.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

And he's also aloof then. Right. Which I'm just like, girl.

[Kristin Davis]

It was kind of like. He almost does an eye roll almost when she's like. I. Oh, I think. I think it's when she goes, I didn't plan on this happening. And he kind of. Well, you know, like, clearly, we both kind of planned on this happening. And you wore that dress. So what. What was it? Right. Right.

[Christine Taylor]

And I mean, I kind of get that because she did wear that dress, I guess. But I also feel like, you know, it's that weird thing of, like, our men and women are in different planets. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And as soon as she left the apartment after talking to. As soon as she leaves, after she talks to you all, it's. I can't remember. And I watched it twice because I know you talked about it too. I had no memory of the breaking the fourth wall talking to the camera.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, it's hysterical.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's very inconsistent throughout.

[Christine Taylor]

Inconsistent because Sarah Jessica did not enjoy it that well.

[Kristin Davis]

It's funny because it almost felt like it was in the pilot and then it went away and then it reappeared in, like, episode four or five where it's true. Suddenly it was. She was doing a lot of it, but I know. And there's still narration. So it's almost like, why? Who.

[Christine Taylor]

There's narration and then there's also the people on the street talking to the camera. I feel like that was a very important idea in the beginning to Darren and. And we have to ask Darren. But that made it seem more like these universal questions, right? Like, let's. Let's talk to all these New Yorkers about these ideas.

[Kristin Davis]

Just find a random, you know, person, A, B, C, D, and get there.

[Christine Taylor]

Exactly. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, it's. But it's that thing that you, like, if you're gonna do that, then you commit. And obviously in this first season of a show, you're figuring it out. Like, is this well.

[Christine Taylor]

And thank goodness they let us, you know, they really gave us so much space and room to figure it out, because back then, and this was unusual back then, we filmed the whole thing before it was on the air, which back then, that wasn't how things were. But now with streaming, that is how things are. It's super interesting to me. Okay, so Carrie goes off and she has sex with Big, as we know. And after he kind of disses her dress or what. I don't know what he's doing there. We'd have to read his mind somehow, which obviously is impossible to do now. We've got Miranda and Skipper, which is. Is pretty funny. He disappears. He just disappears. And there's a new guy for her that she meets at the gym.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so funny. But then Skipper comes back.

[Christine Taylor]

He does come back, which surprised me. I don't remember this. Do you know what I mean? It's all very interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

You're kidding. Stop it. Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me.

[Dr. Joy]

Here, but please, please Please don't make.

[Kristin Davis]

Me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app. Search Las Culturistas and listen now.

[Dr. Joy]

Dr. Joy here you may know me from Therapy for Black Girls where we're celebrating 400 episodes of the podcast that's a Whole Lot of Girl Me Too moments. For years we've had deep, thoughtful and inspiring conversations about Black women's mental health. And now we're celebrating this milestone in a big way. In this special episode, peloton yogi Chelsea Jackson Roberts shares how yoga has taught her to stay grounded and present while balancing motherhood and self care. I can't control my partner. I can't control my child. I can't control anyone outside the way that I govern myself in this world. And the celebration doesn't stop there. We'll continue this milestone with Dr. Lauren Mims who joins me to discuss the powerful yet sometimes challenging transition from girlhood to womanhood for Black femmes. Together we explore how we navigate this transformative journey with strength and grace.

[Mel Reed]

Black girlhood is giggling. It's sisterhood.

[Christine Taylor]

But it is also, I think, focusing on learning how to cope with really.

[Dr. Joy]

Difficult things that are happening with insights like these. This 400th episode celebration is one for the books. Listen to therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Love at first swipe? I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better and he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner, they should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mel Reed]

Hey y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chill. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys and I know a lot of people are gonna attack me. Why are you gonna go visit your dad Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know my mother and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that, like, yelling. I was like, no. I was like, oh. And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheekies.

[Dr. Joy]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being.

[Kristin Davis]

Together, I find out he is cheating.

[Dr. Joy]

On me, not only with women, but also with men.

[Kristin Davis]

What should I do?

[Mel Reed]

Okay, where do I start? That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year and I hope that you can join me, listen to Cheekies and Chill Season four as part of the My Cultura podcast network. Available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm Mark Seal. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Christine Taylor]

The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.

[Kristin Davis]

Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish.

[Dr. Joy]

This is really the first interview I've done in bed.

[Kristin Davis]

We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages. And try to get to the truth of what really happened.

[Christine Taylor]

And they said, we're finished. This is over.

[Dr. Joy]

Not only is not going to work.

[Christine Taylor]

You got to get rid of those guys.

[Dr. Joy]

It's a disaster.

[Kristin Davis]

Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.

[Christine Taylor]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Christine Taylor]

Now this whole storyline with Miranda. Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh my God.

[Christine Taylor]

I mean, it's pretty interesting. So she's going out with this guy. He looks so vanilla, you know, really, really normal. Really just like any dude in New York to me. I mean, that's my opinion. I don't know if that's right. But then his name is Ted Baker, which also, like, isn't that a shoe brand or a clothes brand?

[Kristin Davis]

Ted Baker. And then her. And then Carrie's friend's name is something else that's also a kind of vanilla ish.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. I mean, really, like, they're just, like, trying to be every man type situation. And also, Carrie has so many friends. Like, she's best friends with Skipper, which is odd.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, why is Stanford not, like, why is it this new guy in this episode? But exactly season one figuring things out, right?

[Christine Taylor]

No, I know. And then. And then he goes, thank goodness we have much more Stani coming up. Thank goodness. I mean, no offense to that actor. He. He was fine. But I think it's a. It's like a vehicle to tell these other stories, I think, for sure, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Sure.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Skipper has disappeared, strangely, with no story, which is interesting. We find out the next episode something. And then we've got this new dude, Ted Baker. And the kiss on the street is kind of adorable. He's gonna call her. I mean, sometimes when I look at this, it just makes me so nostalgic for old New York. Not that it's not still wonderful, but like. Like, old New York was. Oh, good.

[Kristin Davis]

And that really is how you would meet people. Like, I mean, that you would be at the gym or at a bar or wherever you would be. You'd be out and some interaction. And it. It wasn't the apps, and it wasn't any of those things. It was real life, real social situations, being in person. And there's either a spark or not, or an attraction or a frustration. And that is, you know, Miranda, that made us laugh out loud, too, of like, you know, I was like, what's setup going to be? And then she kicks this. Kicks him in the face at the end. It's that.

[Christine Taylor]

So cute.

[Kristin Davis]

A gym class, which I thought was gym class. It wasn't like the boxing gym. It wasn't at her. On. During her workout. It was at gym class.

[Christine Taylor]

Which gym class? Like, we're in grade school. It's so incredibly cute. And also, I remember this was, you know, there's like, different phases of workout trends. I remember this phase, and I did go to a boxing class in LA where everybody was just randomly kicking, like, at the hanging bags. And, like, everyone got kicked, I think, you know, I did not date anyone from there, but I did Go. And I did wear other people's boxing gloves, which is kind of gross.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so gross.

[Christine Taylor]

Right? I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

Different time. So they kiss on the street, which for me is so nostalgic and beautiful. I just love the kissing on the street of, you know, basically strangers. It's interesting to think about. It's very. Seems very nostalgic to me. And then I don't know if I should jump ahead because I just love what happens with the storyline. And part of the reason I love what happens with the storyline is that this guy, I think, plays it so well. I can't remember the actor's name right now. I don't. I have it written somewhere. But he's so kind of lovely and regular. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And saying how much he missed her while he was at work today.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. It's so sweet. It's so sweet. And he says, stay in my apartment. I'm just gonna cut to the whole storyline. Cause I think it's very interesting. He says, stay in my apartment. And she's like, okay. The second he leaves, Miranda jumps up and starts going through his things. Which I was a little surprised, but.

[Kristin Davis]

I would 100% have done that.

[Christine Taylor]

Really? I definitely did that in my 20s.

[Kristin Davis]

I want to say, a million percent.

[Christine Taylor]

Would you? Okay. Would you? Immediately.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, you know, making sure enough time had passed that he was really gone and come back in. But for sure. Going through.

[Christine Taylor]

Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Gotta gather information, right?

[Christine Taylor]

I guess so. I mean, now we can look at people's Instagram and whatnot.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true. We didn't have that back then.

[Christine Taylor]

We didn't. We needed information.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. Yes. Right.

[Christine Taylor]

So she finds a porn magazine about spanking. And she's kind of, like, a little miffed, which is also kind of funny, because she's Miranda.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Christine Taylor]

Banking kind of seems pretty benign to today's world, I feel like. Don't you?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

But she has to go and talk to Carrie about it. She takes the magazine, doesn't she?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, it's a video. And she's. Oh, my God. Because I think in the drawer, there's, like. It's like. It must be his porn drawer.

[Christine Taylor]

It's a spanking drawer. It's a drawer of spanking things. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And she pulls out the video. And the next scene, she's playing the video for Carrie.

[Christine Taylor]

Right, right, right. And this is very reminiscent. Like, so Carrie's already had to watch the model eyes are having sex, secretly filming the models, and then has to have a cigarette neck. Like, it's Fine. Now we've got Miranda with this banking video. Soon we're going to have all of us watching the people in the window. Do you remember this? When we, like, turn our heads sideways because we're watching people have sex, which we hired two porn actors for, side. Side note, which I remember we were, like, semi traumatized about it, though. You know, more power to them. Right. But it's a kind of a theme in the beginning. I guess it makes sense because Carrie is trying to, you know, investigate relationships and sex and what do people like? What do people do? So this poor guy likes spanking. And Miranda's very torn about it. What do I do? What do I do about it? And then later on, I'm just gonna jump to the best part. I think later on, she brings it up kind of casually on the street, I might add.

[Kristin Davis]

And that I would never do.

[Christine Taylor]

No, she just like. But it's so Miranda, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

Because she's so. She's kind of a bull in a china shop in many ways. You know what I mean? Like, she'll just say stuff like, blah, blah, blah, you know, it's kind of like that, though I did think she tried to kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

Of be sexy about it.

[Christine Taylor]

And also.

[Kristin Davis]

Because I think Carrie also says to her, like, you can't know until you try it, kind of. And then she's not joking, but, like, the seed got planted. Of like, yeah, maybe this. Maybe this could be fun.

[Christine Taylor]

Right? Right, Totally. But this poor guy is just so mortified. And the actor plays it so sweetly. Like, if you found out that he was a serial killer or something, like, he looked just so embarrassed and defeated and defeated and sad.

[Kristin Davis]

My secret.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah. So sad. And then she never hears from him again, ever.

[Kristin Davis]

Doesn't return. And that's like, in the narration, it's like he never returned her calls. They didn't go home that night.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, it's just so sad. It's so sad. And it makes me think about secrets and, you know, people's secrets and how you think that your secret is so terrible and then you find out later. And I do feel now, in the age of the apps and all the different things, you know, that there's a lot less secrets kept. Do you feel that?

[Kristin Davis]

I. Well, it's almost like. I mean, yeah, you have to. You have to work a lot harder, I think, to keep a secret in this sort of digital age where. Where everything is documented, everything is. You can track, like. Like, even, like back in the day, if someone said to us, you know, like, oh, you know, I can't, you know, and I'm, I'm sure there's been episodes. I feel like there might have even been of like. No, my. Maybe it was in the pilot. Yeah. Where he just kind of ghosts her and it's like my mother's sick and the. But now all you have to do is go to their social media to like, and if they're check somewhere else, then.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, you can check on all the stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

And I feel like having a, you know, a daughter in her 20s, like, like the impact social media has for this generation particularly. Like, it's like they, it's how they function. She even said, Ella even told me last night, like there's a, like getting invited to parties. There's like an app that you get invited through and then you see the RSVP and it's like, wow. It's, you know, like not just simple, basic Evite. There's like a whole like, wow, twenties thing that. For parties.

[Christine Taylor]

Who knew?

[Kristin Davis]

Who knew? It's a, it's a. But it's a lot. It's like a lot.

[Christine Taylor]

I hope it all works out for them. Yeah, I mean, I feel, I feel like they do have a lot of awareness, like you said, which is really important. And I do feel, I mean, to me secrets are not great. Right. So like in some ways that's a great thing to have more freedom about. Like, well, this is what I like. Like, yes. This is what I don't like. Like that is a, that is a good development. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Right, Absolutely, absolutely. And I think if you're somebody who's like confident and comfortable and. Okay. Like, you know, the more information you give early on in dating or meeting somebody, like, the less hurt you're gonna down the line feel. Right. You know what I mean? Like if either it's gonna feel good or not, you know, like, I like that. Yeah. Like it's gonna work or not. But I don't know, like I as sort of a self proclaimed people pleaser, that's a difficult thing to do. Like there was one of the earlier episodes and I don't want to get off track because we have a lot to cover. But the earlier episodes where, you know the one. I think it's the one. Yeah. Where the guy wants to ask Harry to marry her and then he takes you for.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And she's so straightforward when she realizes she's like, I'm sort of just trying you on and you know what I mean? And it's true.

[Christine Taylor]

It's great.

[Kristin Davis]

That's what you sort of want to do, but then you want to just be honest. But it's very hard because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You don't want them to hate you. You don't want it to end bitterly or for there to be bad feelings about it. So.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

That's why I love that there's so many different points of view from each of you and how you manage those situations.

[Christine Taylor]

It's true. I also love. Because then Charlotte dates him, which is interesting because it would make sense because they theoretically want the same thing. But then Charlotte is so incredibly picky that when he doesn't like the china she likes, she's like, no. And I love that because I don't really remember all that. And to me it just speaks to like, like, Charlotte really has like, like a steel center. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, she. Yeah, that's such a great way to put it. Such a great way to put it too.

[Christine Taylor]

She may not seem it, you know, like, you don't necessarily realize it. She's all like, ha, ha, you know, whatever. Yeah, she seems giggly and girly, but like inside there's like rock hard steel, you know, it's interesting to me. Yeah, it's interesting to me. But let's talk about the secret sex thing, because I do think this is interesting. And even with the digital media, social media age, I do feel like it's still true. True. There would be people that you might go out with or you might have sex with and you would not want people to know, so you would not be posting them. You would not post where you go. You know, there's this whole thing about like going Instagram official. Right. That's like a. That's right to be. I mean, I think still I don't know if I'm that objective about this, but you know, you don't do that unless you're serious. Right. So there is still a way to try to keep secrets in this day and age that everyone kind of knows everything.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

And I'm interested in. I wonder. I don't know if you and I are the best people to ask, but it's interesting to me, like, what are the ideas now of who you're supposed to be with? You know, like, is that still functioning? You know?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Like, I mean, I think it really depends. Well, just watching this episode and this will play into it slightly, I think, because where she talks to the friend and the friend is like, no. Where Carrie starts To, like, now realize when he's not introducing her, when he brings her back to the restaurant where. Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

Second time.

[Kristin Davis]

It literally made me think of, like, Ben and I went on our first date, and Ben was Ben Stiller. Like, he had been ready.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. It was like, there's something about Mary had come out. It was a huge. We worked together. That's how we met. Like, he cast something. He was directing me. We had, like, laughed a lot, and. And, like, we were both, like, sort of getting out of relationships and sort of in this, like, rebound where he was like, hey, do you want to have dinner? And, like. But he was still Ben Stiller, so, like, he attracted attention wherever he went. And I, at the time, was living off of Laurel Canyon on the Valley side of Laurel Cannon. And he came to. Yeah. And really casually, like. And I laugh now because I was like. I so got it without him having to say it. And it was his way of, like, not wanting to offend me. But, like, he's like, yeah. And this was before, like, the Valley. Now Studio City is so sure. It's happening. It's the happening.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, 25 years ago. And it was. And he just was like, hey, oh, I love the Valley. I don't go to a lot of restaurants in the Valley. Like, is there, like, are there any good restaurants that you like over here? And I. What I. Between the lines, what I was reading was literally, like, this is a first date. The last thing we want is for paparazzi to catch a picture and there to be some sort of story. I was. You know what I mean? It would have just been like, who is Ben Stiller with? Kind of story? It was not. And. And it really made me laugh because, like, he didn't think that I knew what he was.

[Christine Taylor]

But let me ask you, were you offended at all?

[Kristin Davis]

I really wasn't, because to me.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, that's good.

[Kristin Davis]

Also, it was this weird thing of, like, I'm going on a date with Ben Stiller. Like, what's the reality? Like, this is weird, and I don't want. I was. I told, like, a couple of my really close girlfriends. I didn't, like, call my family and say, I'm going on. I mean, I was like, I'm gonna see what this is, because this is very surreal. I literally, like, was a fan of his films, and I was. So it was a very strange thing to be. But having just worked with him, we'd spent a couple of weeks together of just, you know, developing a rapport and, you know, so. But we ended up going to. And I don't know if you remember it. Michelli's in the Valley.

[Christine Taylor]

Sure.

[Kristin Davis]

With the sigil waiters.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, my gosh. That's insane.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. That was our first date.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, my God. Adorable.

[Kristin Davis]

And we had a blast because the waiters sing show tunes, and we're both, like, shows. Musical theater nerds. But it just. No, I wasn't offended because I was equally as, like, talking about secrets. It was sort of like, I wanted this to feel like a secret for me, in a way. I didn't want people to be so intrigued or have opinions or.

[Christine Taylor]

Well, there's pressure from that pressure.

[Kristin Davis]

And there's stories that people would, you know, like, yeah, going out, but still, like, whatever. I wanted it to be our thing, so I felt like it was cool, but it was just sort of how he.

[Christine Taylor]

It's really funny. I. I like it. But then my question would be, what happened on the second date? Did you also go to a restaurant in the Valley? And did it bother you then? Like, at what point?

[Kristin Davis]

No, I. We started go. Like, we started spending a lot of time very quickly, and then. And then we. It wasn't even like, he. He was going to New York to shoot a movie pretty soon after that. So it was almost like we had this, like, fun time together. Re. For, like, over the course of a week or two. And then he was leaving for New York, and it was like that talk of, like, hey, I'm gonna be in New York for the next three months. And, like, you know, maybe if you're back East.

[Christine Taylor]

Well, right.

[Kristin Davis]

We're very loose about it. And he landed in New York, and it was spring in New York. And the next day, it was like. Like, he was in Central Park. And I got a call. He was like, so do you think you'd ever want to, like, come and visit in the next week? It's before we start shooting. It's like, so.

[Christine Taylor]

That's so cute.

[Kristin Davis]

It was, like, very quick that we were, like, obsessed with each other in that.

[Christine Taylor]

Love it, love it, love it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Christine Taylor]

Amazing. Yeah, but that's so great. But then when you were in New York, could you hide or did you.

[Kristin Davis]

Not hide then in New York, it was like, he was working a lot and I was showing up and, like. Like. So it started to become. I mean, I don't. It wasn't really, like, tabloid material, but it was really like, we were just out dating, you know?

[Christine Taylor]

You were fine with it. You were fine with it organically.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Because it's so cool.

[Christine Taylor]

I love it. I love it. I mean, yeah, I feel like that is its own, you know, microcosm of secrets. Right. To have to deal with public perception and. Right. It's its own thing. But I do feel like when I watch this episode, I'm like, well, I'm really good at secrets and I don't intend to change that. But on the other hand, I feel like it is kind of. I have mixed feelings about it, I guess, you know, because, like, on the one hand, why should you feel bad about anybody that you're involved with? Why in this day and age, why should you ever second guess your own attractions? You know?

[Kristin Davis]

And that becomes like, the bigger question of, like, it's all about appearance. Like, I don't want my friends to judge me. Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards. Oh, wow. No, you're kidding. Stop it. Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me here, but please, please, please don't make me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app, search Las Culturistas and listen now.

[Dr. Joy]

Love at first swipe? I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight. We're finding love through walls, or we're even judging people by balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better. And he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like, your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to, like, come from a relationship. Your partner, they should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dr. Joy Here you may know me from therapy for black girls where we're celebrating 400 episodes of the podcast. That's a whole lot of girl me too moments. For years, we've had deep, thoughtful and inspiring conversations about black women's mental health. And now we're celebrating this milestone in a big way. In this special episode, Peloton Yogi Chelsea Jackson Roberts shares how yoga has taught her to stay grounded and present while balancing motherhood and self care. I can't control my partner. I can't control my child. I can't control anyone outside the way that I govern myself in this world. And the celebration doesn't stop there. We'll continue this milestone with Dr. Lauren Mims, who joins me to discuss the powerful, yet sometimes challenging transition from girlhood to womanhood for Black femmes. Together, we explore how we navigate this transformative journey with strength and grace.

[Mel Reed]

Black girlhood is giggling. It's sisterhood, but it is also, I.

[Christine Taylor]

Think, focusing on learning how to cope with really difficult things that are happening.

[Dr. Joy]

With insights like these, this 400th episode celebration is one for the books. Listen to therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mel Reed]

Hey, y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chills. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys and I know a lot of people are gonna attack me. Why are you gonna go visit your dad? Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know my mother and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that, like, yelling. I was like, like, no. I was like, oh. And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheekies.

[Dr. Joy]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being.

[Kristin Davis]

Together, I find out he is cheating.

[Dr. Joy]

On me, not only with women, but also with what should I do?

[Mel Reed]

Okay, where do I start? That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year and I hope that you can join me, listen to Cheekies and Chill Season four as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm Mark Seale. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Christine Taylor]

The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.

[Kristin Davis]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really.

[Dr. Joy]

The first interview I've done in bed.

[Kristin Davis]

We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.

[Christine Taylor]

And they said, we're finished. This is over. It only is not going to work. You gotta get rid of those guys.

[Dr. Joy]

It's a disaster.

[Kristin Davis]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.

[Christine Taylor]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Christine Taylor]

In this show, the guy who goes out with the girl that he meets at the cheese shop, you know, who's like so amazing and so great, and he says, oh, she's not beautiful enough. I mean, that's about him. That's so fully 100% about him.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes.

[Christine Taylor]

And it's so sad.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Christine Taylor]

And I feel like she's amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

I was so happy that, that that little storyline got tied up with him saying, she dumped me, she found someone else.

[Christine Taylor]

Thank God, right? Thank God.

[Kristin Davis]

Happy that it wasn't just him getting to have his kid.

[Christine Taylor]

I agree, I agree, I agree. Because the male guys in the beginning are so incredibly toxic. Like we have that first thing where we label people toxic bachelors. I feel like that could be everybody but Skipper for like the whole first season. I mean, it's so insane, right? They're so awful. And I remember at the time my mom had said to me, my grandmother was living at my house with my parents and so there had to be this whole kind of secret. I would send mom the VHS tapes to watch secretly because she didn't want grandma to see it. And I remember mom saying, and I had to just be vague. When I would see my grandma, I'd be like, yeah, I'm working. And she'd be like, what are you working on? Oh, you know, something in New York. Like I couldn't say the title right to my 90 something year old grandmother. So my mother had said to me, like, you know, I'm just so depressed. The show Just makes me so depressed. I was like, mom, why? It's amazing. You know, there's four of us. We're strutting around New York in our outfits, you know? What do you mean? She said, I just don't want to think about this dating world for you. And I was like, oh, whatever. You know, I was just like, puff. You know, Mom. And I look back on it, I completely get what she's saying.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Looking back on it now. Right.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah. But I think back then, we were kind of used to this stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

Don't you feel?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Oh. Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, I know it was shocking. Right. Like edgy and whatnot, that we were saying the things we were saying. But I don't feel like the men and the situations were shocking.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

You know, no, no. Finance bros and whatnot. Like, there's so many. Ugh.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And I think that was well done. And, you know, I think probably as the show goes on and as I kind of rewatch it again as well, because it's just so fun to do it now, to just see the evolution of how that first season, the men are very. It's an exaggeration, yet very close to home, of what things.

[Christine Taylor]

So true.

[Kristin Davis]

But for the sake of comedy, you know, for the sake of the laughter.

[Christine Taylor]

Of course, it's a little broad, for sure. But I also feel. And one of my favorite parts of this particular episode is. Is so Carrie kind of spins out about Big, you know, after they have sex, and then she goes drunkenly to his apartment. I'm so out of order. But it just brought it up to me, and he really makes sense.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, it's so funny that you said that, because when you watch it the first time, because that. Because like I said, I rewatched it again this morning, knowing his three excuses for the three moments he felt sort of shafted. And then you watch it again, and it is that we've all been in those scenarios where you run into someone, you know, and you're like, oh, I don't know their name.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I feel embarrassed. So you kind of wait for the person you're with to either introduce themselves.

[Christine Taylor]

Right, right.

[Kristin Davis]

Get the name. But it's not.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So everything tracked.

[Christine Taylor]

It does. It totally tracks when you hear his point of view.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Christine Taylor]

And I was like, oh, thank God. Thank God we have a little insight into Big, you know, mental state and. Or what he is or is not doing, you know, and then, of course, she feels so embarrassed, which, you know, I've definitely been in this place before. Not in a while, thank goodness. But when you just spin out, you know, and she's had a few drinks, of course, so she's even more spun out. And she goes, like, banging on his door and she's all worked up, and then he's like, what is the big deal? And it's just such an awful feeling as a woman, you know, because you're just like, oh, my God, I'm doing that thing.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Christine Taylor]

It's a little.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm feeling a little desperate. Right, right.

[Christine Taylor]

And also, like, the emotions, like, you just have so many emotions, and yet you kind of feel like the men, they just don't want that. They just don't want to know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, no, I know, I know. And that's. I think that's also why there's something that works too, with Big and Carrie. And even through his kind of, like, there's an aloofness to him, which I think makes him more attractive to her. But there's also both straight shooters when it comes down to it. Like, you know, like, I feel like he then does have the moment where he's like, hey, no, this is my reality. And.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, so, like. But I. It's that tug of war attraction of, you know, you. There's always. There's something about that person where it's like, not the perfect fit, but that makes you want. Want it more.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. But is it ever the perfect fit, Christine? I don't know. Okay. Never.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, does it exist? I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

It doesn't exist. And if it exists for a period of time, then as you grow, like, I think it just shifts and it evolves. And you don't want to have that. You want someone who pushes you. You want someone who, you know, helps you step outside of your comfort zone. And so I do feel like it's. But what makes me laugh so much in that episode is when they're like, did. When Samantha's like, did you hear about the rabbi, Charlotte? Oh, I forgot.

[Christine Taylor]

I totally forgot. Thank you for keeping me on track, Christine.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, I know.

[Christine Taylor]

It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny.

[Kristin Davis]

And they go to your work.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, I'm not. He. He's not a rabbi, thank God. He is a Hasidic folk artist, you guys.

[Kristin Davis]

That just made me laugh out loud. Just even before the visual of the two of you together. But, like, you.

[Christine Taylor]

It's pretty funny.

[Kristin Davis]

Not a rabbi, thank God.

[Christine Taylor]

But I mean, hello. We have a whole show about this now. Like, nobody wants this. It's so amazing. And to think about. Right. And also, Charlotte ends up with Harry. Like, it's shadowy, foreshadowing so many things that are coming, which I love. But what I love about that particular storyline, and it is.

[Kristin Davis]

I.

[Christine Taylor]

Every time I see one of my storylines in the first season, I'm like, oh, my. Like, it just seems like 18 lifetimes ago, you know? And I'm like a little child, kind of like. And I loved this actor. His name is Glenn Fleischer, and he has worked a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

I was gonna say. I've seen him play bad guys and things. Like, he can play really evil. Like, he's like, seriously, he's so good.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, he's really good. And this was his first acting job.

[Kristin Davis]

Stop it. No.

[Christine Taylor]

Yes. We heard this from Molly, our costume designer, who was on, and we talked briefly about this episode, and she works with him in the future after this. And he's like, I was the rabbi guy, the artist.

[Kristin Davis]

She.

[Christine Taylor]

And she couldn't believe it because he didn't have the whole hair, which I think we put on him. You know, I think we made that happen. And he was working and doing well. I know. It's hysterical, right? And I remember going to Williamsburg. We. I am like, what planet have we landed on? Because I had never gone to Williamsburg at that point in 1998. I had no idea what was there.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Christine Taylor]

Yes. It was a very specific subculture where everyone in this, like, maybe 10 block radius are, you know, conservative Jewish people. And. And you are like a fish out of water. And as we're there filming, I have to walk down the street, and they somehow find out what we are. Or maybe they think that we're something even worse than what we are. And they basically come and tell us we have to leave. Leave. They run us out of Williamsburg. Oh, yeah. They were like, who gave you this permit? You can't be here. What are you wearing? You know? And we were like, oh, my gosh, we're gonna leave. We were scared. We were. We didn't want to upset people. Yeah, it was very interesting. I know. I know. But I remember I really liked that guy. I thought he was a good actor. I don't mean like. Like, I just mean he was a good actor, and I enjoyed it. And I. I look back on it now, and I. I feel like Charlotte really is just out there trying stuff, you know, like, no matter what she says she wants, she's out there game to try stuff out.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I feel like that's what makes Charlotte so interesting, because you think she's one thing. And like you said earlier, there's, like, the steel. You know, she is going and exploring and not. It's being true to herself. It's not like she's making compromises. It's sort of like, I. I am curious. This is not going to be the person I'm gonna end up with.

[Christine Taylor]

But for me, it's super fascinating.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, you were intoxicated by his. By his art, by the whole. By the. Like. We've all had those moments, too, where you're in, like, a world totally different than your own. And that's, like. It's so interesting and overwhelming.

[Christine Taylor]

Right, right.

[Mel Reed]

I love that.

[Christine Taylor]

I love it. It's such a funny little like. Like, sidebar. Oh, yeah. And I also feel it's the thing that we end up getting a little smoother. It's like, kind of herky jerky now. But, you know, eventually, the way the show would work is we would all have our own storylines and her voiceover would connect them so they. You know, towards the end of the episode, she'd say, like. And then up. Up on the Upper east side. Yeah. And downtown. This meanwhile. Right. So we don't have that totally happening on all cylinders yet, but it's starting to happen, you know, which I really, really love. And we don't have the coffee shop scenes, which I also really miss, which is funny to me because we did curse them a lot when we were doing them, but now I miss them.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I see how nostalgic you get.

[Christine Taylor]

I know, right? About the strangest things. The strangest things. Okay, I've gone so out of order, but are there, like, shocking things that I haven't said?

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe I. Because I took. I took a lot of notes, too.

[Christine Taylor]

You did? I'm so impressed, Christine. Oh, my gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

I think also because I've been, like, started the binge. I didn't want to mix up great moments in other episodes that you've already talked about.

[Christine Taylor]

I did a bad thing last night, and then I watched the next one because I got confused about what number we were on. And now I'm all like, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Ella and I almost did that. And she goes, no, you should stop now. And then we'll just.

[Christine Taylor]

She was right. She was so right. She was so right. We talked about Miranda and that sweet, poor guy that she embarrasses.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, and the bus reveal. The Carrie, like, when they.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, the Carrie bus reveal. Which I do remember because it's like, five degrees, and I was gonna say.

[Kristin Davis]

Was it pouring rain? Right. And you're all.

[Christine Taylor]

That's why we're huddled under the bus stop.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it looks lustery. Yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

I think I'm shivering. I'm literally like, you know, when you're really trying not to shiver, when they say rolling. It's the worst. It's the worst. And we're trying to be so jovial. And then this guy comes, her friend Mike or whatever his name is. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Never. Who we never see again. Right?

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, I know. It's super interesting. It's super interesting. But apparently she is friends with so many people.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that's what I think. That's the setup, too, is that she is the quintessential. You know, she knows a lot of people. She's, you know, uses her resources and like you said, that's a true storytelling device, you know, to be able to.

[Christine Taylor]

It's so true. It's so true. Now, the thing that also happens on the bus, which to me is so Also foreshadowing of. Of our lives in real life, is that. So she's got this glamorous, you know, advertisement on the side of the bus, she's wearing this glamorous dress. And then someone has graffitied male private parts close to her mouth. And, you know, it is like, what happens when you put yourself out there as a woman in our society. You know what I'm saying? Like, you are gonna get some, you know, some flash.

[Kristin Davis]

You still see it in New York. I mean, I live in New York now, and you still see those sort. That sort of graffiti, like in, you know, with. Against a beat, like a beautiful woman or whatever the ad is for. And it's. It's all over the place. It was just. What's so crazy, too. And I turned to Ella to say in that moment is like, as the friends of seeing that too. Like. Like, you know, of course it's, like, horrifying for her, but it's also like. It's a. Hilarious. It's like. It's just like, yeah, that's New York. Like, this is our weird city that we live in.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, so true.

[Kristin Davis]

Why couldn't the one thing that I was doing be beautiful? And it's New York City.

[Christine Taylor]

I know it.

[Kristin Davis]

It's messy and hat.

[Christine Taylor]

And that's true.

[Kristin Davis]

What I was reminded of is, like, in that moment, we would have. Because we. But back then, we did. You didn't have camera on the cell, right?

[Christine Taylor]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Someone would have gotten the picture and been able to CR. Out.

[Christine Taylor]

Good point.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christine Taylor]

Good point. But we're there because we don't have the ability, you know, it's interesting, right? Yeah. I love that also.

[Kristin Davis]

So she has to just live with her own. It's, like, embedded in her skull. And that's also plays into, I think, why she needs to confront Big and why she needs to go there, because.

[Christine Taylor]

It'S like, definitely this disaster.

[Kristin Davis]

And he didn't show up to my thing, and there's a. Like, a penis next to my.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. Well, it's someone just taking you down, you know, Someone taking you down a notch. Right. So, like, she starts the episode and she's wearing her fabulous dress. She's at her photo shoot, then she's showing us the fabulous dress, and things are going great. And then things don't seem like they're going as great as she thinks. Yeah. Which is how life is, isn't it? It really is. It really is. I know. I know. But then. And one of my questions, and I mean this. I could ask this at any given point, at any of these episodes. Episodes. Do we believe Big at this point?

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I'm gonna be honest. Like, I'm still. I. I, Like, I don't want to, because I know that there's a whole universe of people who have strong opinions and. But it's like, I. Like, I still just don't really like him. But I understand Carrie's. And he said all the right things in that moment. She's tipsy. He gave her. And they're all legit reasons. And she's like, so this is. And she has that moment of like, so this. This is like a real thing. And he's. And I forget what he says at the end, but then they. And then obviously, it's a ha. It's the happy ending. They end up. They're good. They're gonna sleep together again. Right. You know, she's. She's got him. Or so we think. You know, I didn't. I didn't go ahead. I didn't jump ahead like you did.

[Christine Taylor]

Right. This is what he says. He says, she says, so you and me. Maybe this is for real. And he responds, could be.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I knew. But. But kisses her.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, of course. I mean, his actions say yes, but his words do not say yes. It's just so frustrating. He picks her up and carries her into the room.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Christine Taylor]

I mean, it's so interesting to watch back now because I really never in my mind did I think he's kind of weird and makes messages and aloof and whatever. I never once. Once thought that.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting. Right?

[Christine Taylor]

I know. Well, it just goes to show you know, like, I need some adjustments, but it looks like it's happened over the years because now I totally think that watching him, like, what is wrong?

[Kristin Davis]

Sure. And I can't remember at the time, like I said, I, I. In my memory of the show, the relationship that I remember enjoying the most was when she was with Aiden. Like, I. That was.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, that's great. I think that's great. I think it's a healthy relationship.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember in real time thinking, oh, what's the appeal with him? I don't. But. But watching it now, I'm sort of like, so annoyed that she's, like, taking the bait and taking the bait.

[Christine Taylor]

It's true. But I will say this. I think the thing that I am also kind of surprised by when I look at all the men in the show, not, not the men that she's with or flirting with or whatever, you know, they're very, like, Big is kind of. In terms of achievement and intellect, which is very important to Carrie. Right. Like, she, you know, when she. He does the crossword puzzle, which I think was last. Last time he's doing the crossword puzzle, and she's like, that's the word, you know, which is so Sarah Jessica or something. Exactly. Right. Exactly. You know, there's. And then you look at like, for instance, the 20 Something Guy episode, Hinge. Very good. Which is kind of funny because Hinge. But whatever. She, you know, she's got the young boys who want, you know. And then like, the next episode is Justin Theroux's first episode. And she kind of flirts with him. He's a writer, but he's a writer that has some success. But when you look at how he is, he's not enough for her. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing about Big.

[Kristin Davis]

That was the other thing I genuinely had completely forgotten is where the name Big had come from. Like, and in the pilot, it's just exploits the way Samantha's like, oh, he's this big real estate mogul. You know, I might even say, like the next Donald Trump.

[Christine Taylor]

I think we do say that.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, but so, so that gives you the sense of, like, what his status is. And also too, of like.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

He is taking meetings. He does have a crazy schedule. And he's.

[Christine Taylor]

And he has a driver and he has a, like, corded phone in the back of the car, which is so hysterical. There's a cord.

[Kristin Davis]

It's like a driver. Weird, like, sedan.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah, it's the black, like, Buick or whatever. Cadillac. I don't know what it is. Exactly. Town Car, I guess. I mean, it's really funny, but I think. And he's based on a real person. I don't know if we've said this yet, but he is based on a real person that Candace Bushnell was involved with, who was a big publishing person. I'm not gonna go further than that. You can look it up if you guys want, but I feel. I feel. I feel like it's. I don't even know if it's fair to say who these people were based on. Do what I'm saying because many things have happened since then inspired by. I like that. That's a good way to go, Christine. That's a good way to go. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang Just one podcast of the year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards.

[Christine Taylor]

Oh, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

You're kidding. Stop it. Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me.

[Dr. Joy]

Here, but please, please, please don't make.

[Kristin Davis]

Me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app. Search Las Culturistas and listen now.

[Dr. Joy]

Love at first swipe? I highly doubt it. What's your biggest red flag? No, no, no. What's your ultimate green flag? These days, reality TV and social media have us thinking love is instant. We're marrying strangers at first sight, we're finding love through walls or we're even judging people by buy balloon pops. But what really makes a relationship last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet, author and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology and biology of loving better. And he provides eye opening insights and advice that we all need.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a big realization moment that you should not be postponing your happiness. Like your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner. They should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Dr. Joy Here you may know me from therapy for black girls where we're celebrating 400 episodes of the podcast. That's a whole lot of girl me too moments. For years, we've had deep, thoughtful and inspiring conversations about black women's mental health. And now we're celebrating this milestone in a big way. In this special episode, Peloton Yogi Chelsea Jackson Roberts shares how yoga has taught her to stay grounded and present while balancing motherhood and self care. I can't control my partner. I can't control my child. I can't control anyone outside the way that I govern myself, myself in this world. And the celebration doesn't stop there. We'll continue this milestone with Dr. Lauren Mims, who joins me to discuss the powerful, yet sometimes challenging transition from girlhood to womanhood for Black femmes. Together, we explore how we navigate this transformative journey with strength and grace.

[Mel Reed]

Black girlhood is giggling. It's sisterhood, but it is also, I.

[Christine Taylor]

Think, focusing on learning how to cope with with really difficult things that are happening.

[Dr. Joy]

With insights like these. This 400th episode celebration is one for the books. Listen to therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mel Reed]

Hey, y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chill. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys and I know a lot of people are gonna attack me. Why are you gonna go visit your dad? Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know my mother and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that, like, yelling. I was like, no. I was like, oh. And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheekies.

[Dr. Joy]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being.

[Kristin Davis]

Together, I find out he is cheating.

[Dr. Joy]

On me, not only with women, but also with men.

[Kristin Davis]

What should I do?

[Mel Reed]

Okay, where do I start?

[Christine Taylor]

Heart.

[Mel Reed]

That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year and I hope that you can join me. Listen to Cheekies and Chill Season four as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Christine Taylor]

Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new.

[Kristin Davis]

Star Wars Rebels rewatch podcast.

[Christine Taylor]

I'm Vanessa Marshall. Hi, I'm Tia Sircar.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm Taylor Greg.

[Dr. Joy]

And I'm Jon Lee Brody.

[Kristin Davis]

But you may also know us as Harrison Dula, Spectre 2, Sabine Wren, Specter.

[Christine Taylor]

5, and Ezra Bridger, Specter 6 from Star Wars Rebels.

[Kristin Davis]

Wait, I wasn't on Star Wars Rebels. Am I in the right place? Absolutely.

[Christine Taylor]

Each week we're going to rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and.

[Kristin Davis]

Share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Dr. Joy]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests.

[Kristin Davis]

Like Steve Bloom Voices Zaborillio, Spectre 4.

[Dr. Joy]

Or Dante Bosco voicing Jai King Kel and many others.

[Christine Taylor]

Sometimes we'll even have a lively debate.

[Kristin Davis]

And we'll have plenty of other fun surprises and trivia too.

[Dr. Joy]

Oh, and me, well, I'm the lucky.

[Kristin Davis]

Ghost crew Stowaway, who gets to help moderate and guide the discussion each week. Kind of like how Kanan guided Ezra in the ways of the Force. You see what I did there?

[Christine Taylor]

Nicely done, John.

[Kristin Davis]

Thanks, Tia.

[Christine Taylor]

So hang on.

[Kristin Davis]

Cause it's gonna be a fun ride. Cue the music.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Christine Taylor]

The time I remember, wherever we would go, people would say, oh, like if we went to an event, they'd be like, that girl over there is who Charlotte's based on. And I'd be like, really? Oh, my God, I guess I better go investigate this girl. Woman, whatever. And. And I mean, who knows? Like, at a certain point, like, half of New York was who we were based on, you know, it was that.

[Kristin Davis]

That's exactly right, I think there. But what I love so much is just the. You know, I think Ella kind of put it well as we were sort of talking about it, because Ella, having rewatched it more recently than me, was like, you're such a Charlotte. When I told her about doing this, she's like. But sprinkled, she goes. But I think everybody has a sprinkle of Carrie, because Carrie, as the narrator, as the. We're seeing the show through her lens, she's meant we're all supposed to relate to her in a way. Like, right, she's. She's back, you know, so she was like. And maybe a little Miranda, but no Samantha.

[Christine Taylor]

I mean, sometimes I think no Miranda, too. It depends on the episode, right? Like, sometimes. Yeah, it depends on the episode. But she kind of. I mean, I'm so watching everybody's performance. Like, first of all, I. I just am. I'm so blown away by Sarah Jessica. You know, I think to myself, like, why didn't I go to work every day that she was working and study what she was doing. Like, she is so incredible.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no. And you talked about it a little bit, and I think one of your first or second episodes, but just the subtlety and what she's doing. Her. I mean, she's, like, having met her a few times and know her a tiny bit. Like, she's so brilliant, just like in the brain. But, yeah, median. She's real. She's herself.

[Christine Taylor]

She's so present.

[Kristin Davis]

There's. It's. You know, and I love. I love when you talked about them wanting you to cut your hair for the pilot and her saying, did you cut your. And you're like, now I know who I need to go to.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah. Oh, I mean, that was. That was like a bellwether moment of, like, oh, thank God.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? Exactly. But, yeah, even Ella just having the experience of, like, working on set and. But all of you. I mean, she's really said it about all of you of just. It was really her first big job on, like, you know, being able to realize. Spend a couple of days. She's done little teeny things here and there, but most theater and. And just to get to watch you all. It was. She just said, like, a master class in. And. And also really had a good laugh about, like. Like, some of the wardrobe and how that literally plays into getting in and out of a doorway. I was thinking about that, because the wardrobe in this first season has not gotten to be what comes.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's.

[Christine Taylor]

We're developing. We're developing. We had Molly on our costume designer, who at the beginning was, like, I think, listed as costume supervisor.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Christine Taylor]

And you can just see a beginning, and it really begins with Sarah Jessica, because Sarah Jessica already had the relationship with the designers, and we needed to borrow things. But what Molly told me, which I had forgotten, is that basically the rest of our clothes are coming from. Costumes are coming from Bloomingdale's and Century 21.

[Kristin Davis]

See, that is so off brand when you think of Sex and the City.

[Christine Taylor]

Like, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

In fact, doesn't Sarah Jessica or Carrie has that joke about the guy she's trying on. She's. It's like. It's kind of like a DKNY dress. Like, you want to try it on, but it's not for you. Like, it's not exactly for.

[Christine Taylor]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So I find it. And the way each of you and your fashion develops and becomes, you know, sort of an extension of your personalities, and, you know, it. It's brilliant. It's brilliant how. How it evolves. And this is just like a great Podcast. It's a great way to revisit something that's so beloved for so many at us.

[Christine Taylor]

Thank you. It's. It's. It's fun. It's. It's such a kind of therapeutic and interesting thing for me. Right. Because I had never, never rewatched.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, I can't even imagine going back and especially still being in it with. And just like that.

[Christine Taylor]

Well, I think that really helps, right, because, like, I feel like if we weren't together anymore, if we didn't get to be together anymore, it would be more sad for me to look back, I feel. But because we've had this incredible journey that we never in a million hundred years would have guessed in the beginning. I mean, we were just so excited to get to do 13 episodes, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was a miracle. Right? And now to imagine all the things that we've gotten to do over time, which we've had to fight for every single time, and it's never handed to us, as you know, nothing is really handed to any of us in this business, even at the tippy top, which we're not. But you know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. It's never a given.

[Christine Taylor]

You have to fight. You have to fight for it. But it's been so worth it and so incredible. And the real reason, and the reason I kind of wanted to do the podcast is that it's all because these fans, you know, and the fans who've been with us since the beginning, and also this whole new, you know, multiple generations, multi, generational.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And that's why I think it's really like. But it's still. You look at a different period of time, and you can pick out things like the way you talked about New York looks a little different, the clothes or whatever it is, but there are still very sort of fundamental issues that women deal with collectively. And yes, there's been some growth in some of them, but still, at the core, it's really like the struggles we all feel about, like, what do I want? What? What do I want? Right, right. Who am I?

[Christine Taylor]

Who do I want to be with?

[Kristin Davis]

With existential questions that, like, are very hard to answer. But you guys get to do it in a way that, you know, you're. You're echoing our thoughts. Right. And, yeah, it's. It's special. Thank you.

[Christine Taylor]

It is special. It's so special to have you on with me. I appreciate it so much.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Oh, and the one thing I was gonna say was that I listened to the Michael one, the first part of the Michael Patrick King episode. And I loved what he said. I didn't ever. I never even thought about it when he said, you never see the parents of anybody except for a couple of the in laws and one of them being Ben's mother who played Steve. I know. And Meera playing. And I thought. And when he said it too, I was like, he's like, how many people, when you went, moved to New York, were you. Were you meeting their parents? Like at the transplants? Most everybody came from somewhere else. Right. Like, unless. But he was a native New Yorker. Maybe that was the family you knew. But.

[Christine Taylor]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I just thought that was so interesting that I know that's not something you see. You, you know.

[Christine Taylor]

No, I know, I know. We took so many weird chances, you know what I'm saying? Like, I do remember at the time because when you're trying to figure a character out, you're thinking, well, who are her parents? Where did I come from? How did she become like this? And so you're trying to fill it all in yourself and you know, little by little, details come out. Like at some point I say I went, which of course makes so much sense and you know, little bits. And then you meet my brother, which is very strange, which we touched on with Michael Patrick. Very, very strange episode. And then he's never discussed again. But it was, it was a challenge in that way. And that's why I do think at a certain point I thought, gosh, I need to maybe investigate these women that I keep hearing I'm based on because maybe I can figure out who they are and that will inform Charlotte. So I do remember going up to the Upper east side and like just kind of walking around like stalking these women who looked like kind of like Charlotte's. Like, what stores are they going to go into, like basic little tiny details? I'm trying to find out because I'm not really, you know, like a New York. You know, I mean, I would also go to the art galleries and that was really fun. Yes, that was the best part in so many ways. But I mean, it was all fun really, and, and interesting in that I think also because our writers were so great and HBO let us find our. Ourselves, you know, through the process.

[Kristin Davis]

What a gift.

[Christine Taylor]

So it was kind of this amazing melding of, of us as actors with our, with our parts, you know, which is such a joy and a rarity and oh my gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

And to become as iconic. Right. Like, as it, it's. It's always those moments where when it's something special, it's the right, right people at the right time in the right place, and it's. Then the magic happens. And I just think it's one of those magical examples of that.

[Christine Taylor]

It is. It's incredible to think about. It's incredible to think about, you know, just the luck of getting to be a part of that.

[Kristin Davis]

You're awesome. This was so much fun.

[Christine Taylor]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you.

[Christine Taylor]

All right. Your joy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Christine Taylor]

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[Kristin Davis]

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang just won Podcast of the Year at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards. Oh, wow, you're kidding. Stop it. Lady Gaga will take home the Innovator award at Monday's iHeartradio Music Awards. Now these iHeart Award winners are teaming up on a brand new episode of of Las Culturistas. Thank you so much for having me.

[Dr. Joy]

Here, but please, please, please don't make.

[Kristin Davis]

Me get angry about anything in public. Just open the free iHeartRadio app, search Las Culturistas and listen now.

[Christine Taylor]

Welcome to Pot of Rebellion, our new.

[Kristin Davis]

Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall, voice of Harrison Doula Specter 2.

[Christine Taylor]

I'm Tia Zirkar.

[Kristin Davis]

Sabine Wren, Spectre 5. I'm Taylor Gray. Ezra Bridger, Specter 6. And I'm John Lee Brody, the Ghost Crew Stowaway moderator.

[Christine Taylor]

Each week we're gonna rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Kristin Davis]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like Steve blume voices Zaborielio's Spectre 4.

[Dr. Joy]

Or Dante Bosco voices Jaquell and many others.

[Christine Taylor]

So hang on because it's gonna be a fun ride.

[Kristin Davis]

Cue.

[Dr. Joy]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

45 years ago, a Virginia soul band called the Edge of Daybreak recorded their debut album Behind Bars.

[Christine Taylor]

Record collectors consider it a masterpiece.

[Dr. Joy]

The band's surviving members are long out of prison, but they say they have some unfinished business. The Edge of Daybreak Hours of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another app. Listen to Soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio.

[Christine Taylor]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Joy]

This is Mel Reed, LPGA Tour winner.

[Kristin Davis]

And six time Ladies European Tour winner and Kira K. Dixon, NBC Sports Reporter and host.

[Christine Taylor]

And we've got a new podcast, Quiet.

[Kristin Davis]

Please with Mel and Kira. We are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some interviews with incredible, incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower and I Heart Winning sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.