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Marcia Cross
Here we go. Let's talk about the Carrie storyline. So she's been flown out by what she describes as a small production company. Of course, this is the olden days when these things did exist. Now, who knows? And then Sarah Michelle Geller plays.
Kristin Davis
She was so good. Was she?
Marcia Cross
She was fantastic. Were you scared?
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Cynthia Nixon
But she.
Marcia Cross
I mean, she just did it so well. She did it like she did it straight up.
Kristin Davis
It's hard to walk onto a show and be really good of running, you know, show and do like a. I just thought she was great.
Marcia Cross
Nailed it.
Kristin Davis
Boom.
Marcia Cross
I agree. And it was. I was thinking that in some ways it's almost too insider y that they make her junior executive. Like she probably should have been an agent. I see what you're saying because like, you know how she's like, we only know the. Exactly. We know the difference. It doesn't matter to anyone. But how she's like calling across the room and everything, like that is such a known entity. It was perfect, right? It's scary. It's so scary. And Carrie's like, what is happening? You know, Which I really love as well. But also to me, it's so funny. Then later. So then she meets with Matthew McConaughey, which is a trip and a half.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God.
Marcia Cross
I know. And he ad lib.
Kristin Davis
He was on, right? I was like, oh my God. It really is him.
Marcia Cross
Yeah, it really is him. And he ad libbed, as you can tell.
Kristin Davis
Okay. Yeah, I didn't know that.
Marcia Cross
Do not think all that was in there. I don't remember what was in there. There had been a glass coffee table that he jumped on and shattered.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God.
Cynthia Nixon
Yes.
Marcia Cross
Like it was a full on day. Wow. We had our first blackberries back then. The little ones that went on your belt. That's just like a. Like if this were a cartoon, right? Oh My God. The BlackBerry. Jessica would text me like. Like Matthew McConaughey who's ad libbing. And I'd be like, my God.
Kristin Davis
Like no one ad lib.
Marcia Cross
But he's so great.
Kristin Davis
He's fantastic.
Marcia Cross
And her, she just honestly reacting to him at that point. Like, what on earth? But how many meetings have you been in when people have said crazy to you?
Kristin Davis
Can I tell you how happy I was when. Cuz I didn't remember the episode, even though I said I was so happy. She didn't go back.
Cynthia Nixon
Were you?
Kristin Davis
Oh my God.
Marcia Cross
I was like, yes. Because I was confused.
Kristin Davis
So happy.
Marcia Cross
I didn't remember any of it.
Kristin Davis
I didn't either. But I. I mean, were you happy.
Marcia Cross
Because you felt like it would be, like, selling out?
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Cynthia Nixon
Yes.
Kristin Davis
I felt like. I felt like most people come to LA and they'll do anything. Yeah. To get anywhere, and. Because she is who she is on the show in life. But you know that she was like, yeah. No, and I love that.
Marcia Cross
Yeah. It was unexpected. I didn't remember it at all. And I was like, wait, she doesn't remember.
Cynthia Nixon
I didn't either.
Marcia Cross
I was like, yeah. Yes, I know.
Kristin Davis
I was like, wow.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
I was shocked. And I couldn't tell if it. I mean, they are trying in the voiceover to relate it to the fact that they're trying to tell her about Big and Carrie, which, of course, is herself, which I also completely get and understand. Like, you know, she has a strong enough sense of herself to say, like, you're not gonna tell me? And also, the thing that I loved about it, that I hadn't remembered at all, is that McConaughey is doing the thing that was the normal thing to do, which is making it from the male perspective. Exactly. That's what I mean, too. Like, no, no. Like, basically trying to take it from her.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Marcia Cross
And then, like, what is wrong with Carrie? He goes. And she's like.
Kristin Davis
And let's be real, because a lot of time has gone by, and that's how everything was.
Marcia Cross
Everything.
Kristin Davis
So that was another reason why I was like, that. Didn't. You know?
Marcia Cross
Yes.
Kristin Davis
No.
Marcia Cross
Yes. I mean, that was the.
Kristin Davis
We didn't have a choice. We, like. We went for whatever three parts there were, but totally.
Marcia Cross
And you. You kind of just tried to sit there in the meeting with the wacky. They might be saying, right, that's great. And then when he goes, like. Do you know when he goes. When McConaughey goes, like, you know, let's. Or whatever. And she's like, you know, I mean, how many times have we been in that situation?
Kristin Davis
Okay, a lot.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
That would be a whole nother podcast.
Marcia Cross
Exactly. But it's interesting. It's interesting to think about because, like, also, it was like, when people go, well, why didn't you leave? Or why didn't you do this? Or why didn't it.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Marcia Cross
Always be caged in a way where.
Kristin Davis
They'Re so convoluted and. Right.
Marcia Cross
And you're not sure.
Kristin Davis
I literally said to people, nothing ever happened to me. And then I've gone, are you out of your mind? Like, that's how convoluted it is.
Marcia Cross
I agree.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Marcia Cross
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
So. And then I'D go like, I'm so. I'm lying, and I don't even know that I'm lying. I'm sorry, just off topic here. But no, right? I mean, you, like, you got taken advantage of in so many ways that you didn't even quite realize it.
Marcia Cross
Right? And also when we say that, what we mean is it wasn't the worst case scenario that we now know, Right? No, not like us. That's us going, oh, nothing happened.
Kristin Davis
It was normal. Right?
Marcia Cross
Because it was. It was every day, all day.
Kristin Davis
I mean, this play I'm doing, they brought in, you know, an intimacy coordinator, and I was like, I wasn't there. So I said, what was it like? Cause I'm so fascinated.
Marcia Cross
It's a trip.
Kristin Davis
And I know nothing really huge happens in the play, but it was like, I guess the boundaries were really clear. And I said, you know what? The first time I did something. Kris Kristofferson, it was with Kris Kristofferson. He was a total gentleman, right?
Marcia Cross
I said.
Kristin Davis
And then he hit on me afterwards, right? And that was perfectly fine. But he took care of me during the scene, which is great. So I'm like. Which is great how it was done back then. Absolutely.
Marcia Cross
Absolutely fascinating.
Kristin Davis
Super interesting, right?
Marcia Cross
I've had bad and good, though.
Kristin Davis
Okay. Yeah, you've had the coordinators, you mean? Yes.
Marcia Cross
Or bad where it wasn't good. Okay. Where it wasn't good. Like, I had this one woman right before COVID right? When it was kind of brand new. It was on a very weird movie that I'm really not going to say the word of because I really hope no one ever watches it again. But I had a great actor who. I also am not gonna say his name so that you don't know. But he was gonna protect me anyway. I didn't need any. You know what I'm saying, In the way. Yes.
Cynthia Nixon
You know.
Marcia Cross
You know, you were used to. Right. He was a professional. Felt totally comfortable with him. And this lady, the intimacy coordinator, had been a dancer, okay? So she came to both this actor and I, who was a veteran actor, and said, like, I'm gonna count you down.
Cynthia Nixon
Kiss, two, three. What?
Kristin Davis
Dress, two, three. And we were like, what?
Marcia Cross
No, no, no, no. And then she was. I. So then I started avoiding her, right? I was like, that lady's gonna. Gonna like.
Kristin Davis
You know what I mean?
Marcia Cross
I was like, I'm just gonna avoid that lady.
Kristin Davis
5, 6, 7, 8.
Marcia Cross
I mean, like, you're not already confused enough. You know what I'm saying? You don't need that Right. So I was like, yeah. We were just like, yeah, we're cool. We're cool. We're good. But then there was this other scene involving this other actress. And it's a long story, but I avoided her so much that she would plant herself by my chair and she'd be like, we need to talk about the fingering scene. I'd be like, what? I'd be like, please don't ever say. I mean, just putting somebody in the middle of the most kind of delicate things that we have to do. And you hope that they're there to protect you, but they can also kind of scare the.
Kristin Davis
Out of you. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Do you know what I mean?
Kristin Davis
Yeah. That's what that lady was, you know, something out of it. Yes.
Marcia Cross
Like the kind of whatever specialness that you could try to bring that person. Gone. Right.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
So I was like, oh, God.
Kristin Davis
Jesus.
Marcia Cross
But then when we did have it on, you know, just like that, it was good because just personally, they'd say, like, what do you need me to do? And you could say, I'm worried about.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I see this.
Marcia Cross
Or I'm worried about that, or whatever it was. So they were eyes at the monitor. They could then help you.
Kristin Davis
Okay, that's good. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
That was really nice. And then they just had to, like, just appease Michael that they were going to do what he wanted. You know what I'm saying? That they weren't not there to get in the way, you know, Because I think for the directors, it's like a whole nother person to deal with that. But I think it's great because it's just that little security in case you get in a situation that you don't know. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Oh, you have to have it. I mean, now.
Marcia Cross
Yeah. Yeah. But I think some people are confused and think that it's because we were somehow hit on in the moment of the sex scene by directors or something. Which I think that's really not when it happens. Me neither.
Kristin Davis
Like trying to grab your Philly up. At least not for the most part. It was not my issue.
Marcia Cross
Yeah, no, me neither. Me neither.
Kristin Davis
I think in some other weird way.
Marcia Cross
Right, Exactly. It's a more convoluted way. And it's not on the set.
Kristin Davis
No.
Marcia Cross
So if the intimacy coordinator is only on the set, it's not protecting you from that other stuff.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah, right.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. That's interesting. Nobody ever explains that to the rest of the world. No. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
No one knows. And no one explains it to you when you're starting out, so.
Kristin Davis
Are you kidding?
Cynthia Nixon
Right?
Kristin Davis
It wasn't even in the Zeitgeist back then.
Marcia Cross
No, no. It's super interesting, isn't it?
Kristin Davis
It's changed, hasn't it changed?
Cynthia Nixon
I know.
Marcia Cross
All right, let's talk about the show. It's so much fun, though. Okay, so. So this is a fun episode. We begin the episode with myself and Kyle being back in New York.
Kristin Davis
I know. I was a little jealous. I was a little jealous. I'm like, I don't know if I can watch this. And he was so young. He was such a baby. Or both such babies. And then with this, you know, penis. And I was like, oh, my God.
Marcia Cross
I mean, right? And isn't he so cute laying in that bed?
Kristin Davis
He's so cute.
Marcia Cross
I mean, don't we just love him so much?
Kristin Davis
You know, my opening scene with him was that, like, when I was like.
Marcia Cross
Here, this is Kyle.
Kristin Davis
And then we were, like, making out in a rainstorm, and I didn't even know him. I was like, okay, let's go.
Marcia Cross
I mean, right?
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
I had to.
Kristin Davis
He's such a good man, isn't he?
Marcia Cross
Such a good man. I had to immediately make out with him as well, though.
Kristin Davis
It was tough. Jobs.
Marcia Cross
Really, really hard job. Really, really hard job. I know.
Kristin Davis
Gosh. Can I tell you one crazy thing? Sorry.
Ryan Seacrest
Yes.
Marcia Cross
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Cynthia Nixon
If you want to.
Kristin Davis
Okay. So, you know, I got pregnant, like, on Desperate. So I'm working with Kyle. We're, like, getting married. I'm totally nauseous in real life. You know, I'm in some beautiful bridal gown, but I'm like, right. And then we get married on the show, and, you know, and I have my babies. Right? And then when I'm on the show, Desiree gets pregnant. And so he had Callum. She had Callum. They had Callum on the show. And now Callum and my daughters have been in school together. No way. They're now gone off to college. But literally. That's amazing. I'm like, if someone had told me this years ago that I was gonna be looking at, you know, Callum and Savvy, or Callum, whatever, I'd be like, are you kidding me? Anyway, isn't that just unbelievable?
Marcia Cross
I love it so much. It's so good.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
No, the thing that I do love, you know, what we do, is that sometimes you get to have this kind of long relationship with people and you might not see them all the time, but then the. The kind of interconnectedness of all of it is quite amazing.
Kristin Davis
It's beautiful.
Marcia Cross
It is. It was really nice to have him, too. And you know now Callum's grown and when he first came on the show, he was dating Desiree, but he never mentioned her. So I didn't know that he was dating Desiree.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Marcia Cross
I never met her for like the longest time. I read in the picture paper that they got engaged.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God.
Marcia Cross
And I was like, Kyle, you got engaged? And he was like, oh yeah, I've been living with her. I'm like, well, I didn't know. But he's just very professional also where I think he wouldn't have been necessarily talking to me about that. You know what I mean? But it is all amazing. Of course we see her, you know.
Kristin Davis
Out in the powerhouse. I'm always like to my daughter, look at this woman. Just as a mover and shaker. Who's this girl?
Marcia Cross
Definitely, Most definitely a mover and shaker. Yes, yes. And Kyle's just such a sweetheart.
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Marcia Cross
Cut to the episode. And I mean, the thing that's so funny too. And it's of course, the character of Charlotte, you know, but like the. I just feel so bad for them with this impotent situation.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
Hysterical, though.
Marcia Cross
And he won't talk about it. And, and then Carrie, she. I, I call Kat. Well, we're all, all, you know, we've gone to something and I'm trying to kiss him and all. And he's focused on the wedding gifts. And I'm just like, I thought it would be on the honeymoon. I thought it would be.
Kristin Davis
Is.
Cynthia Nixon
I feel terrible.
Kristin Davis
So sweet, though. And then I couldn't figure out, how did she do the stamp?
Marcia Cross
Like, I couldn't figure it out either.
Kristin Davis
I don't really get that.
Marcia Cross
I like.
Kristin Davis
Because it has to be attached to something if.
Marcia Cross
Well, I think I wrap it around.
Kristin Davis
His penis, but if his penis only.
Marcia Cross
Oh. Oh.
Kristin Davis
You have to do it very tight then see if it.
Marcia Cross
I must have.
Kristin Davis
I thought it was even like that.
Marcia Cross
No, no, I think it's to see if it hard.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
During the night. I know.
Cynthia Nixon
No.
Marcia Cross
Hey, why not? This is a show about sexy city, right?
Kristin Davis
I'm like, okay.
Marcia Cross
Well, I hadn't remembered it either. So I was also with you. Like, what on earth did Carrie just tell her to do? This is interesting. And also Carrie goes into like, I'm a relationship columnist mode. She goes into like, what you should do.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Which I really liked. Like, Charlotte needs practical advice.
Kristin Davis
You know, it's very sweet when you, the thing. When you realize, oh, you can. But it's like, I know.
Marcia Cross
I'm like, why do we think that's such a great thing?
Kristin Davis
But that's what's so great about your character, though, because it's like the absolute brilliance of the moment and then the.
Marcia Cross
Oh, no, definitely, definitely. And it's really funny because sometimes. And there's a lot of this that I don't remember at all. Right. Like, there are things that are very clear to Me. And then, like, that whole storyline, I have no memory.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. I have plenty of that in my life. So I understand. Like, episodes I've shot, I don't even remember shooting.
Marcia Cross
Right. So it's fun to watch because you. You don't know what the heck you're gonna do. It's bizarre. Cause that's your body and that's yourself.
Kristin Davis
I always wonder if, like, you know, like, these new drugs they have, like, if you are under. Does your mind contain all those memories?
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
Somewhere in you?
Marcia Cross
Yeah, I think it must.
Kristin Davis
Right. But you just don't remember. And I think that's the weirdest thing.
Marcia Cross
I do think it's weird.
Kristin Davis
Like, shooting whole episodes, no memory.
Marcia Cross
I agree totally. Anyway, I agree totally. But I think the thing for me that I come back to is that I remember Kyle.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
Like, off camera. So I think that it's all intertwined, and so it's meshed together in a way where you can't separate it out.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
So, like, what you filmed wouldn't have been the most important thing to me as a person.
Kristin Davis
No, it would be Kyle sort of tap dancing on the side, Totally being funny.
Marcia Cross
Totally being funny. Being adorable, being so light, you know, like, all the things, like being just such a joy. Right?
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
And that's definitely what I. And he had a little dog at the time. You know how I feel about dogs.
Kristin Davis
Yes, I do.
Marcia Cross
So, you know, yay, Marcia.
Cynthia Nixon
Yay.
Kristin Davis
That's totally off topic.
Cynthia Nixon
That's great.
Kristin Davis
I never thought I'd be a dog.
Marcia Cross
I'm so glad you have a dog.
Kristin Davis
Because I'm deathly allergic. Remember when you got your golden. I was like, I can't come here anymore.
Ryan Seacrest
I know.
Marcia Cross
You had to die. You had to sit on the top of the sofa. I know. Because there was, like, golden retriever hair every. Everywhere.
Kristin Davis
I literally go.
Cynthia Nixon
I know.
Kristin Davis
So awful. And then I had kids, and of course, at some point, you know, I won't get into it, but you wind up with a dog, and then dog winds up yours.
Marcia Cross
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
So. And I literally love my. I have a doodle and a doodle. I wash my hands. They're probably the oldest. A thousand times a day because I'm still allergic.
Marcia Cross
Oh, but doodles are better.
Kristin Davis
I love her. Right?
Cynthia Nixon
I'm glad.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
So gifts.
Kristin Davis
They're gifts. I think of you because of that. Because I've never in my life. Right.
Marcia Cross
So glad I have a little dog now.
Kristin Davis
Oh, you too?
Marcia Cross
Yeah. Because my son likes little dogs. I was like, okay. He's.
Cynthia Nixon
It's fine.
Marcia Cross
He's won me over. Okay. He is like a Chihuahua mixed with all different kinds of terriers and min pin. Don't ask me. I mean, he's just an amalgam. He's adorable. His name's Chewy. He's very cute. Chewy. We do love him. We do love him. I mean, anyway, yes, you had a big dog. One day I'm gonna have some big dogs again. You know what I'm saying? One day. One day. But Kyle had a little dog. It was adorable. He'd bring it. It was so much fun. So, anyway, back to us. So, yes, we're there. We're in New York. Charlotte is her innocent self, unable to get her adorable husband to talk about impotence. Which, I mean, I guess would be hard. But also, at a certain point, you're like, really?
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God, I can't even imagine the terror. I thought he played it really well by just.
Marcia Cross
Do you think?
Kristin Davis
Well, yeah, because that has to be the most. I don't remember what happens on the show. How does it.
Marcia Cross
I mean, Kyle told me we go to therapy.
Kristin Davis
Oh, okay.
Marcia Cross
Did we go to therapy yet? We didn't go yet. He told me we're gonna go. Okay. And I was like, that's good. But his character does not want to talk about it. And that's what ends up breaking us up, I think. I think, meaning, like, he can't. You know when people get to their limit and they just can't deal with their issues? And then I wanna have a baby. And we try to have a baby, but then he doesn't really care. And he gives me the cardboard baby.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God, yes.
Marcia Cross
Which he still remembers as being really horrible. And I was like, oh, I totally forgot about the cardboard baby.
Kristin Davis
I remember the cardboard baby. I have to go watch.
Marcia Cross
It's a thing. It's a thing. He. He thinks it's funny or whatever. But I, I, I took it as, like, a misplaced. Like, when you're really uncomfortable about a subject you don't know.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
You do dumb things.
Cynthia Nixon
Totally.
Marcia Cross
And then in the end, I say to him, like, I thought this is what we wanted. I remember this scene. And he says, well, I'd just rather play golf.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I think I remember that, oddly enough.
Marcia Cross
And then you're like, well, it doesn't matter how adorable you are.
Kristin Davis
It really doesn't.
Marcia Cross
This is not gonna work.
Kristin Davis
It's so sad.
Marcia Cross
Really sad.
Kristin Davis
Package is so good.
Marcia Cross
Oh, my God. I mean, also, when he came on the podcast, he was like, I do have this memory of Me playing tennis in the nighttime and the makeup artist covering me in baby oil. And I was like, what? And then they pulled it up and I was like.
Kristin Davis
A heart attack.
Marcia Cross
I mean, the beauty.
Kristin Davis
Oh, the beauty. Well, the thing about Kyle, though, and we're gonna stop talking about Kyle, is, you know, people, like, grow into who they are. Like, nothing about Kyle was good looking leading man.
Cynthia Nixon
True.
Kristin Davis
He is like just a. Inside, he's completely different guy.
Marcia Cross
I agree.
Kristin Davis
So that just kind of, like, was there.
Marcia Cross
Yes.
Kristin Davis
But that's not really like, who he is.
Marcia Cross
Right. I think that's why it's so disarming. Yeah, it's disarming because when they're that good looking and they know it and they're kind of knowing that you don't like it.
Cynthia Nixon
No.
Marcia Cross
But when they don't seem to know. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
And it's also not really attached to him, like. No, he just happens to be living in that body.
Cynthia Nixon
Totally.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Yes. No. And he's just like a sweetheart. No listening.
Kristin Davis
Like three hours on Kyle.
Marcia Cross
People want us to talk about Kyle, Marcia, because they post about us on Instagram or whatever. Like, I. I think it'll be cool. We can always, you know, we'll edit what I mean, we'll have special episodes.
Kristin Davis
Everybody who's ever been played opposite Kyle.
Marcia Cross
He would dive in embarrassment if he was here. Can I tell you just one little other side thing, which maybe I shouldn't say. He came on the podcast. It was so exciting. I was waiting until he appeared on the show, you know, so that it would be appropriate. He also has a podcast. Right. So we were talking about that and we talked about all different kind of stuff and he only remembers some things, but it was super interesting. And at the end we did this TikTok video thing. It was just really fun.
Kristin Davis
Thank you.
Cynthia Nixon
Amazing.
Marcia Cross
Oh, thank you so much. I'm very scared. I thought for sure he was going to play Nikki and I was going to be Linda Perry. And then they were like, no, thank you so much. I was dying. I was panicking.
Kristin Davis
Really good.
Marcia Cross
Thank you, Marcia. I appreciate that. That was like two takes, but thank you.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Cynthia Nixon
Sweaty.
Kristin Davis
Oh, poor baby.
Cynthia Nixon
I know.
Marcia Cross
And it just reminded me. Oh, he really is sweetness of him. He's a sweet guy, right?
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
So sweet.
Kristin Davis
And really.
Marcia Cross
Yeah, yeah. It was just such a gift to have him on the show. And especially because Charlotte had never had anyone of any significance.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
It's just a guy, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy. And then to have Kyle, Kyle, who is just a gem.
Kristin Davis
Brilliant cast.
Cynthia Nixon
And then you got. I'm so glad.
Kristin Davis
You're so lucky.
Marcia Cross
Anyway, I'm in. I start this episode and then I'm like, no, no, I need a break. I call Carrie, which is great. Carrie gives me the advice to try to put some paper around his penis. Bizarre. Okay, I've never heard this advice, but whatever. Charlotte's game. So Charlotte puts stamps.
Cynthia Nixon
Yes.
Marcia Cross
Really funny and weird. And she licks the stamp and puts it around while he sleeps through it.
Kristin Davis
I do think that like. Okay, well, that's our TV convention.
Cynthia Nixon
Totally.
Marcia Cross
A TV convention. But he looks so adorable doing it. He looks like a little K. Do you know what I mean? Just happy sleeping. And then in the morning, the paper's broken, which theoretically would mean that he has no physical problem. Charlotte thinks that's great. And then Charlotte suddenly realizes we hear in the voiceover, maybe that's not great because that means it's emotional. Which makes her get on a plane to go to la.
Kristin Davis
Okay, so now I'm gonna watch the next episode then. Okay. Cause I haven't seen that episode.
Marcia Cross
Oh, the other LA one. Yes. This is when we go to the Playboy Mansion. Okay. That's why.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Marcia Cross
It's interesting. It's all very interesting. I mean, to me there, it' like, it's like we did a mini movie, you know what I'm saying? And they're both.
Kristin Davis
Well, that kind of works, like to go on total. Because that's location.
Marcia Cross
Yes, yes. And we're cross boarded and all that stuff.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
So I show up in LA and they are all having very interesting things. I had fully forgotten about the porn storyline that Samantha meets a guy at a bar.
Kristin Davis
Yeah, that was something.
Marcia Cross
I know. I vaguely remember that we filmed.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God, it was so funny actually.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
We filmed at that Hustler on Sunset.
Kristin Davis
Oh, really?
Marcia Cross
And I remember just being like semi mortified to go in there, but now I'm like, what were they so mortified about?
Kristin Davis
You know, it was Tesla Hustler back then. Like, it was raunchy.
Cynthia Nixon
Like.
Marcia Cross
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Southern girl.
Marcia Cross
Come on. I know, I know, I know. Totally, totally, totally. But it is funny to think back. Like I was on a show called Sex and City, but I was still, you know, didn't want to go in.
Kristin Davis
The Hustler in your Kristen.
Marcia Cross
Exactly. It's all meshed up. And so I thought that storyline was really funny because I like the storylines where Samantha is like the guy in the relationship that slayed me.
Kristin Davis
I thought that was hysterical.
Marcia Cross
Wasn't it funny? Oh, my God. And he's like, can I tell you more about myself? And she's like, uh huh. So good.
Kristin Davis
And then he says, I write poetry.
Marcia Cross
And she's like, oh God. And then he stands up and that.
Kristin Davis
Guy is really good.
Marcia Cross
I can't remember his name. He's really good. He kind of like moves his hands.
Kristin Davis
With such a great job, poetry.
Marcia Cross
And she's just like rolling her eyes. Just can barely, can barely get through it. And then, and then he says he wants to move to New York.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God. Well, at least she, you know, I like that she was straight up with him.
Cynthia Nixon
Me too.
Marcia Cross
She thought quick, man. She thought quick. She was like, no, no. I have an answer.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
I couldn't share you with other women. I thought the whole storyline was really great and too, I love it when she is like the guy, like fully.
Kristin Davis
Like the guy just wanted. Yep.
Cynthia Nixon
And yeah.
Marcia Cross
She didn't want to hear nothing about him.
Kristin Davis
Nope.
Marcia Cross
She didn't want to talk about herself.
Cynthia Nixon
Nope.
Marcia Cross
Not at all. I'm totally into it. So that was really enjoyable. Then Miranda has an experience that I think probably almost everyone has when they come to la.
Kristin Davis
Oh God. Was that just on the nose, right?
Marcia Cross
Wasn't it great?
Kristin Davis
Perfect.
Cynthia Nixon
So good.
Marcia Cross
So she's talking to a guy at.
Cynthia Nixon
Maybe at the Standard.
Marcia Cross
I think they're at the Standard. And he's super cute and he's telling her how smart she is because she's a lawyer and she's witty and she's making like repartee. And then a really beautiful girl walks behind her and he's like, excuse me.
Kristin Davis
Will you excuse me for a minute?
Marcia Cross
Like he's gonna, gonna come back. He ain't gonna come back.
Kristin Davis
I know.
Marcia Cross
And she so knows it because Miranda's so aware of everything. And she says that she feels invisible and that these other women, I love it when they are in the Hustler store.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
And she's like, like, look at this woman. Like she's so obviously ready for sex. And she's wearing like a gold lame, like short dress with boobs and everything. And so Carrie and Miranda are staring at her and then she's like, yes, do I know you? And they're like, no. And then Miranda says something like, I'm just admiring your dress. And she's like, oh, thank you.
Kristin Davis
And she goes like, are you in the sex industry? Or whatever, which. Oh my God.
Marcia Cross
And she goes, no, I'm a lawyer for Disney. And it's so perfect. It's so perfect because all of Los Angeles dresses like this.
Kristin Davis
Who wrote that? Episode.
Marcia Cross
You know who wrote it? Michael Patrick and Becky Hartman.
Cynthia Nixon
Edwards.
Kristin Davis
So good.
Marcia Cross
And I don't know Becky Hartman.
Kristin Davis
I don't either.
Marcia Cross
She's like a mystery writer that I, I guess I need to track down.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. Because it was really good.
Marcia Cross
Really good. And I feel like she fully lived here. It was very accurate. I mean Michael and I lived here and Darren lived here. We all lived here. So for us it was really fun to come back. You know what I mean? And then it was directed, I should have said this at the beginning by John David Coles who had directed a bunch for us. He super low key, easygoing, straight guy. So I think he. I remember everyone being really into the whole Playboy Mansion of it all, which is the other LA episode and just being like kind of somewhat grossed out by it myself, but then being like so excited because those parties. Remember those parties?
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Marcia Cross
Pajama parties and the blah blah blah. Right.
Cynthia Nixon
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Marcia Cross
Really well. Okay. So Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda are driving around in the beautiful Mustang.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Marcia Cross
Which is a stick shift. And Carrie thinks it's going to be easy, but it's really not. I cannot even imagine driving in Los Angeles traffic in a stick shift.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God. You'd never relax, right? You're just.
Cynthia Nixon
Oh, no.
Kristin Davis
Some people love that, right?
Marcia Cross
Do they?
Kristin Davis
Well, yes. I remember a guy just came back to me, a little Alfa Romero. Oh, it's a great little car. He was a very handsome man. And I was always like, why do you want to be with me? Like, I didn't have that. Like, he was like, you know, of.
Marcia Cross
Course he would want to be with.
Kristin Davis
You, but I didn't have that, of course. Just like, you know, and.
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
And he drove it, and I was just like. He just liked it.
Cynthia Nixon
Wow.
Kristin Davis
I didn't think about it until just that second. Yeah. And it was in la. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Oh, wow.
Kristin Davis
And I was new to la. I was like.
Marcia Cross
I mean, it does give you a lot of control. Right.
Kristin Davis
If you want to.
Marcia Cross
If you want to be doing that. I can't imagine personally wanting to do that. Totally. Ask him, ask him, ask him. I mean, Carrie's all stressing, and I remember the whole hillside being like, the huge stress. Huge, huge stress.
Cynthia Nixon
Huge, huge stress.
Marcia Cross
So then I want to talk about the McConaughey for another second, because I'm seeing good points where McConaughey says, you know, because I'm Mr. Big. Like, it seems like Carrie doesn't even really realize why she's meeting with him. Like, she. She's just like, oh, you know, so cute. And he's like, well, I'm Mr. Big. Because he's such a cool guy. Right. Which, of course.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
And it is such a insidious Hollywood thing that everything is taken to the man's point of view. For the man.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
That is a whole podcast.
Cynthia Nixon
Right?
Kristin Davis
Right.
Marcia Cross
But we had it in here in such a great way.
Kristin Davis
That's why I was like, who wrote this? Because both that, if you think about it. And the sex scene. Right. With, you know, both. Flip that on its head. What's the name of this episode?
Marcia Cross
The name of this episode is this.
Kristin Davis
Came from New York, which is interesting because it's so much deeper than that.
Cynthia Nixon
I agree.
Marcia Cross
But I mean, this is what I love about our show and why it's worthy of rewatching it.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Marcia Cross
Is because there's stuff there, layers and layers, that you might have that's really on to have that.
Kristin Davis
Right. Yeah.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
And even for me, I don't remember all of it. I'm like, wow, we were. We were, like, firing on all cylinders.
Kristin Davis
Believe me, I've had that, too. I'm like, oh, thank you, Mark Cherry. I didn't know that you were setting me up to be the beloved mother of a gay son for the rest of my life. And I'm like, thank you.
Marcia Cross
Yes.
Kristin Davis
But I didn't know it at the time, of course. So I just got goosebumps, so.
Marcia Cross
I know.
Kristin Davis
Me too.
Marcia Cross
I got goosebumps.
Kristin Davis
Part of these things. You're not even like, yes, well, we're.
Marcia Cross
Just so lucky, you know? But I also think that, like, you. You know that thing about, like, if it's meant for you, it's for you.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. That's so true. Believe that, don't you? Yes.
Marcia Cross
And that's what I wish we could have someh told ourselves. But I don't know if you can ever really tell your young.
Kristin Davis
Although I tell you, every young woman I see, I'm always like, I tied. I just do it anyway. That's. I can make any difference, you know, Like, I was auditioning girls, and I'm like, I'm gonna find that girl's name because I want her to know that she can do power, and I want her to know she could just mess herself up.
Marcia Cross
And she, you know, like, that's great.
Kristin Davis
I feel like as a older woman, it's my. It's not a job. I want to.
Marcia Cross
Right. You want to be a mentor.
Kristin Davis
I don't know if she can listen or they can listen, but I can't. I got it.
Marcia Cross
I'm with you. I'm with you. You know what? I also think, because a lot of young women worked on the show, right? Like, as our assistants, as, you know, different things. And, you know, sometimes there'd be some things that you'd be like, I need to tell this person that. Like, I need to tell this person. You don't have to greet everyone who comes to work. It is not your job. This is coming from a Southern girl. It is not your job to greet everybody with a hug, a kiss, and a smile.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Like, we don't actually have time for that.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
And you don't have to give your energy to that.
Kristin Davis
Right. And if you're a guy, you wouldn't do it.
Marcia Cross
Exactly, exactly. But sometimes they don't want to hear you. But then I'm like, if you just say it as gentle as you can, maybe later.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. It'll sink In.
Marcia Cross
Right?
Kristin Davis
Yeah, I think it's. I think it's. I like that job.
Cynthia Nixon
Me, too.
Marcia Cross
Me too.
Kristin Davis
I want to give that. And If I give 100 and they get a nickel, totally great.
Marcia Cross
Yes, I agree. Totally. I mean, like, with the podcast, too. Looking back on the show and thinking about what's still true and what's not true, what we might have done, like this scene we're talking about where the guys are trying to take it as their point of view. Like, these are, like, just kernels of, you know, interesting things that I hope land out, you know, in the world. Do you know what I mean?
Kristin Davis
I think they do.
Marcia Cross
I think so, too. I think so, too. Sometimes people write me amazing comments on the Instagram, which is really great. We love it when you do that, you guys. Okay, so let's go back. So. So Miranda feels invisible, which we can all relate to, man. We can all relate to. And she's like, look at this girl. She looks ready for sex. Which is such an interesting way also to. To be expressing it. Right.
Kristin Davis
That's a whole other podcast, too. The whole thing of, like, you know, that it's not about being beautiful, it's about.
Marcia Cross
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Looking ready for sex. What are you actually doing?
Marcia Cross
Totally.
Kristin Davis
See, I think when she gets. When that guy walks away. Yeah.
Cynthia Nixon
That it's a good thing.
Kristin Davis
I agree.
Marcia Cross
Because that guy is interested in what that guy's interested in.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
He's not going to be.
Kristin Davis
90 of them are interested in that.
Ryan Seacrest
Right.
Kristin Davis
But you got to find the one who's not.
Marcia Cross
But the thing that I think is interesting, too, though, for Miranda.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
At a different point, she's talking to Carrie and she says, like, I'm on vacation. I want to get laid. Oh, like, fair enough.
Kristin Davis
Interesting. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Do you know what I mean? Like, own it.
Kristin Davis
I've never actually.
Marcia Cross
No, me neither. I have never thought that in my life either.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
But I'm also, like, see that? That frees people up to see that.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Cynthia Nixon
Right?
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Like, you can feel that way.
Cynthia Nixon
Wow.
Marcia Cross
Do you know what I mean? And that's why she's. What am I. She's thinking, what am I doing wrong?
Kristin Davis
Why can't I have this?
Marcia Cross
That I'm not getting what I want? And then I love the scene where they do go to the bullring place, what's called the Saddle Ranch Inn or whatever it's called. Saddle. It is this. I know.
Kristin Davis
The Chapel Peak or something.
Marcia Cross
It was.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
When they go there and she says something else, like moaning about it, and Samantha's like, well, then just Change it. Do something. Which is great advice.
Kristin Davis
I know, I love that.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
And then Miranda's like, I'm getting on the bowl and it's just such a great scene. And the slow mo. And then she ripped her shirt open.
Kristin Davis
Was that in the script?
Marcia Cross
It was fantastic. It was in the script because I remember being worried about it because Cynthia is never self conscious at all. To the point where sometimes I'm like, someone needs to be on the set. Cuz there were no intimacy coordinators. Right. I'm like, someone needs to be on the set to protect her. Right. And so I was worried. So I had gone on that day, I think I'd finished something or something. And I was there, but the. The crowd, it was so many people that I couldn't really handle it. And I was like, Cynthia is fine. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
More than.
Marcia Cross
She put on a cute bra, rip that shirt open. It was fantastic. And so freeing. I mean, you know, and I love.
Kristin Davis
That she got a fella that night.
Marcia Cross
I mean, or maybe not. And that's what I love about it. She had an experience of herself.
Kristin Davis
Yes, that's true.
Cynthia Nixon
Right? Yeah.
Marcia Cross
Like it's not about the other person necessarily. And I feel like that's also why she was looking at the outfits.
Kristin Davis
Right. Like.
Marcia Cross
Like how come that woman's okay to dress herself like that, but I'm not okay to present myself? It's all very interesting questions, you know?
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
As women. I mean, men too, probably, but as women, like, you have to think about.
Kristin Davis
A range for us. Decision making. Yeah, right, right.
Marcia Cross
Like, I knew you would wear something like this. Like this. Yes. Can I tell you, Please.
Kristin Davis
I thought and thought and thought and I'm like, I should get something cute to wear. And every day I thought that and I went, who are you kidding? You wear this every day.
Marcia Cross
You're gonna wear this now?
Kristin Davis
Because this is who you are.
Marcia Cross
I think it's fantastic.
Cynthia Nixon
I wish I had.
Marcia Cross
If you hadn't worn that, I would have been disappointed. I was like, marcia's gonna wear something preppy. It's gonna be like a button down. It might be blue. So I had a blue sweater. And then I was like, no, no, I'm gonna wear pink. Cause she's gonna wear blue.
Kristin Davis
I mean, literally now I just do the same thing every day.
Marcia Cross
I love it. It looks great on you. And that's as it should be. That's as it should be. Okay, now let's talk about Carrie. Because. Because Carrie is wrestling with. Can you run from your problems? And obviously the answer is no, not really. It all comes back.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
No, but it is nice sometimes to change the scenery.
Kristin Davis
Definitely.
Marcia Cross
And I think you can learn things, right. From being in a different environment.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
And I think it's so interesting how she keeps trying to smoke and then this cute guy comes to her at the pool at the Standard. Yes.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I. I don't know that, Mom. That really got to me. It was nice, but when you're like that, you really. There's nobody that can come in. Right, right.
Marcia Cross
But I loved that, that she didn't, because he looked adorable and he wanted to smoke with her. He was perfect. And yet she's like, no, I need.
Cynthia Nixon
To be by myself.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
It was very powerful. And then at the end, she doesn't go back to Warner Brothers.
Cynthia Nixon
I know.
Marcia Cross
I was like, wow. I was like, wait, I'm really worried that she's hurting her career. That thought I was like, good for you.
Kristin Davis
So funny.
Marcia Cross
But I do think with all of it, because really, they were not honoring her, you know, because she.
Kristin Davis
No. At all.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
At all. Like, they were basically saying right away, we are gonna sideline you.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. We're gonna revamp this. It's all about the guy. You're the problem.
Marcia Cross
Right. And why is Carrie so up? Exactly.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
And also, when you have a big star like McConaughey and he's saying that you have no hope, no power, and she had at least some. Some sense of that, even though she's all, like, giggly and like, oh, my God. You know. Which, of course, you would be. Right?
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
It's all super fascina.
Kristin Davis
And I was watching how she reacted. Maybe this is Sarah Jessica, too. But, like, you know how as women, you know, like. Like, you make all those little face. She's making all those faces, like, to please him in a certain way. Like, it's not just a woman sitting there. It's like you have to be like, oh, yeah, that's so right.
Cynthia Nixon
I remember.
Kristin Davis
That's what I was thinking when I was watching it.
Cynthia Nixon
Like. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Not just the pitch. It's that she has to perform, too.
Marcia Cross
Definitely. She has to perform, too. And I think. I think it was many things at that point. I mean, when I watched Sarah Jessica during this season, this is the season where the show really, like, leaps up, you know, in terms of popularity and whatnot, awards, blah, blah, all this stuff. She seems kind of giddy through some of it, which is so, like, kind of adorable and refreshing and interesting, you know, like, there was a couple episodes back in New York where we, you know, the regular show and it's Hot Child in the City and they play like 70s music, like things that I know Sarah loves. Right. And she's just so into it and it's with this guy who's not even an actor anymore and we're gonna talk to him soon. And you know, it's. She's like giddy. It's so interesting. And I think she was just feeling the success and like the power of. Because she'd been so involved in so many ways, you know, in the storylines, how to, you know, like she really was. Was dug in right away.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Marcia Cross
In such a. Like invested.
Kristin Davis
Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, isn't that like she set the tone? Right.
Marcia Cross
Absolutely.
Kristin Davis
You know, there's always somebody who's got up with their fashion and her.
Marcia Cross
Yes.
Kristin Davis
Sensibility.
Marcia Cross
Yes.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. And thank God it was just flow.
Marcia Cross
You know, such a mesh. It meshed so beautifully and then it took off and I. I don't know, I would have to ask her too, like what was on going personally or whatever. But I love to watch her work at that phase because also we just finished, you know, and just like that, where we're dealing with very different subject matter and it's 30 years later.
Cynthia Nixon
Right?
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Marcia Cross
And when you watch. And just like that, she's a woman. She's a woman who has really lived.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
Yeah. But when we look back, you know, we're so young. It's like so young.
Kristin Davis
It's so weird though, because when I looked at you, I was like, oh, yeah, that's Kristen. But I don't think of you like, you look to me just the same.
Cynthia Nixon
Thank you.
Marcia Cross
But no, I mean, it's just. It's not like a. Well, because we were all like a little 30. We're just remember.
Kristin Davis
Right, but you remember.
Marcia Cross
Totally were us. Yes, but remember, like for us.
Kristin Davis
Oh, yeah.
Marcia Cross
We thought it would all be over.
Kristin Davis
That's what they told you, right? Yeah, right. Over.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
I think I turned 50 on desperate. It was like amazing.
Marcia Cross
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
So, you know. But yeah, they scared the hell out of you.
Marcia Cross
Definitely. Anyway. Yeah.
Cynthia Nixon
No, I mean.
Marcia Cross
But that's the other thing. Like, I remember thinking when we got Sex and the City and it was going and we all could be open about our age that we were over 30.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Marcia Cross
It's like shocking.
Kristin Davis
Well, I guess that's true. And I think about it, because the big deal about Desperate was that we were 40.
Cynthia Nixon
Exactly.
Kristin Davis
Oh, dear God.
Cynthia Nixon
I know, right?
Marcia Cross
A show starring a bunch of 40 year olds. I know it was shocking, but it's so funny to think about that now. But then also if you look at the landscape, what show is being greenlit starring a whole bunch of 30 or 40 year olds. Not that many. Or 50 year olds. You know what I mean? Or 60 or 60 year olds. I know we need more people, but.
Kristin Davis
Also because life is so profound at that point.
Marcia Cross
I agree.
Kristin Davis
But you have to have somebody who can write that and.
Marcia Cross
And someone who will greenlight it.
Kristin Davis
That's true.
Marcia Cross
I think there's a lot of people who can write it.
Kristin Davis
Well, let's get going.
Cynthia Nixon
Right?
Marcia Cross
Let's do it.
Kristin Davis
I mean, I don't know. It's a. I don't know what the. I don't pay much attention to like what's. What's sells or what does. You know.
Marcia Cross
Right now, nothing. Because the whole industry is upside down. Yeah, right. But I did. I just met with Apple and I talked to them about them. They were like. Yes.
Kristin Davis
And I said it's a gap doing something.
Marcia Cross
It's a gap about the age and what you're like. I think also for. Because I'm single. Right.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
You know, there ain't nothing to see like on television.
Kristin Davis
Of course not. Right.
Marcia Cross
But it's so interesting because, like, I don't know if you watched the show with Jon Hamm on Apple, your friends and neighbors.
Kristin Davis
No, I haven't seen it.
Marcia Cross
Amanda, Pete plays his ex wife.
Kristin Davis
She's so incredible. She's fantastic.
Marcia Cross
And it's so interesting because they have this whole history, but yet she's trying to move on with this other guy. And it's complicated. And you know, you do. You've lived so much life by now that there's so many layers, but you still are open and new things can still happen, which I think is what people don't necessarily think about or realize.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Marcia Cross
But I'm in it. I'm living it, you know, So I am pretty sure things can still happen. Well, I don't think just that they.
Kristin Davis
Can happen, but it's also like just the way you move through the world is so interesting too.
Marcia Cross
I mean, different. Yes, yes.
Kristin Davis
Which I actually love. Me too, personally.
Marcia Cross
All of us love it.
Kristin Davis
I know, but nobody believes us or they don't like it, but. Right. I wouldn't go back.
Marcia Cross
No, that's the part that kills me. Right. That's what we. And that's what we were trying to do with them just like that. But also they were still the characters. And so we were in that. You know what I'm saying? We couldn't break free of that. World. Right.
Kristin Davis
So, yes. Go for it. Thank you for it. Thank you. Thank you, Marcia.
Marcia Cross
Thank you, Marcia.
Kristin Davis
And I think that it would be that kind of thing where it would be a huge hit, like, something like that. And then people would be like, oh, my God. And it's like, duh.
Marcia Cross
I mean, maybe, maybe, but maybe not. You know what I mean? And my feeling also is, like, at this point, everything is so kind of siloed and of, like, sectioned off.
Cynthia Nixon
Right. Yeah.
Marcia Cross
It doesn't have to be a huge hit anymore.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I don't care about that either. No.
Marcia Cross
You know what I'm saying?
Kristin Davis
But just something. A huge hit. I mean, in terms of quality. That's what I mean.
Marcia Cross
Yes, yes. Yes.
Kristin Davis
Personally, I never want to be that famous.
Marcia Cross
No, I know. I know.
Kristin Davis
It's really something. Yeah.
Cynthia Nixon
That.
Marcia Cross
Like, something where the people who need.
Cynthia Nixon
To find that can find that and.
Kristin Davis
Have it and get to live it. Yeah, no, definitely.
Marcia Cross
Okay.
Kristin Davis
One thing you're always great at is you have a good business mind too, so.
Marcia Cross
Thank you, Marshall.
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Go for it.
Marcia Cross
People who know me know that I. I do pay attention somewhat.
Kristin Davis
I'm like, huh.
Marcia Cross
No, I've.
Kristin Davis
No.
Marcia Cross
Which I think is great as well.
Kristin Davis
Not really, but anyway, we got what we got.
Marcia Cross
I mean, it all worked out.
Kristin Davis
It's all right.
Marcia Cross
It all worked out great. Do what? I mean, pressing. Pressing question. Let's discuss what you brought up at the beginning.
Cynthia Nixon
Are you a Charlotte?
Kristin Davis
I'm not a Charlotte. I wish I were Charlotte. Tell us, what are you?
Marcia Cross
What am I?
Cynthia Nixon
Yeah. Miranda. Car.
Kristin Davis
Pick one. Oh, my God.
Marcia Cross
Pieces. Parts.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. Actually, I think. Oh, I know. Eden said to me, I'm part Charlotte and part. I think she said jessica. Sorry, Jessica. I can't remember. She's gonna get mad at me if I get it wrong, so.
Marcia Cross
Okay. Got it. Got it.
Kristin Davis
But who am I? I'm definitely not a Charlotte.
Marcia Cross
No. You're kind of a Miranda.
Kristin Davis
I am kind of a Miranda.
Cynthia Nixon
Right.
Kristin Davis
Totally a Miranda.
Marcia Cross
Actually, you call it like it is.
Kristin Davis
I don't have any of the others.
Marcia Cross
That's okay.
Kristin Davis
That's so sad. No.
Marcia Cross
Why is that sad? Miranda's great. Miranda, you're my.
Kristin Davis
You're my double.
Cynthia Nixon
No.
Ryan Seacrest
For sure.
Marcia Cross
Right? Yes.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Marcia Cross
And also, the thing that I love about Miranda is, like, on the one hand, everyone's like, oh, she's cynical. She's this, she's that. But if you actually look at her life, right? Like, she got married, she had the kids. You know, she's with adorable Steve. And then she has this huge life change. Which is like a whole other thing. You know what I mean?
Cynthia Nixon
We won't even get into that.
Marcia Cross
But, you know, she's. Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, she's so, you know, Miranda's like a big heart underneath the facade of being cynical.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Marcia Cross
And I don't, I don't really think it is.
Kristin Davis
Again, the root of the thing is never thing.
Marcia Cross
Like the biggest cover.
Cynthia Nixon
Yes.
Marcia Cross
Yes. So that, that to me is a little bit similar with.
Kristin Davis
She probably doesn't really worry about what she wears either.
Marcia Cross
No. Definitely no. Except for in this particular episode where she thinks she should be wearing gold lame. But, you know, all of us have those moments, right? Adorable. Thank you.
Kristin Davis
So nice to see you.
Marcia Cross
So nice to see you.
Kristin Davis
Thank God. Now they can tell how we spend time together.
Marcia Cross
Totally. But that's. That's the joy of a podcast, right? I know, I know. To me, these are the most fun.
Kristin Davis
Oh, so fun.
Cynthia Nixon
So fun.
Marcia Cross
Thank you so much for joining us.
Cynthia Nixon
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Episode: Sister Wives with Marcia Cross (S3 E13 "Escape From New York")
Date: February 5, 2026
Host: Kristin Davis
Special Guest: Marcia Cross
Notable Voice Cameos: Cynthia Nixon
This episode dives into Sex and the City Season 3, Episode 13: “Escape From New York,” with a lively, nostalgia-filled conversation between Kristin Davis (Charlotte York) and Marcia Cross (Desperate Housewives, guest star), with frequent participation by Cynthia Nixon (Miranda Hobbes). The discussion moves from hilarious behind-the-scenes anecdotes and guest-star memories, to deeper conversations about shifting cultures in Hollywood, the evolving role of intimacy coordinators, and the timelessness of Sex and the City's themes around relationships, sexuality, and self-discovery.
Sarah Michelle Gellar’s Guest Role
Matthew McConaughey’s Ad Libbing and On-Set Chaos
Carrie’s (Sarah Jessica Parker) Hollywood Choices
Commentary on Male Perspective in Hollywood
Contrast Between 90s/Early 2000s and Present-Day Sets
Awkward Early Intimacy Coordinator Experiences
Value When Done Right
Charlotte’s (Kristin Davis) Storyline: Impotence and Connection
Charlotte and Kyle (Trey McDougal) Off-Set
Adoration of Dogs
Samantha’s “Being the Guy” Arc
Miranda’s “Invisible Woman” Moment
Empowerment Through Action — Riding the Bull
Hollywood’s Reluctance on Women's Stories Past 30 or 40
Desire To Mentor & Normalize Growth
| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 03:52 | “She did it so well... It’s hard to walk onto a show and be really good... I just thought she was great.” | Kristin Davis | | 04:49 | “There had been a glass coffee table that he jumped on and shattered.” | Marcia Cross | | 05:39 | “Most people come to LA and they’ll do anything... but you know that she was like, ‘yeah. No,’ and I love that.” | Kristin Davis | | 08:29 | “He was a total gentleman, right?... Then he hit on me afterwards, right? And that was perfectly fine.” | Kristin Davis | | 09:24 | “She came to both this actor and I... and said, like, I’m gonna count you down—kiss, two, three...” | Marcia Cross | | 20:37 | “I just feel so bad for them with this impotent situation... and he won’t talk about it…” | Marcia Cross | | 30:10 | “I love it when she is like the guy... She didn’t want to hear nothing about him.” | Marcia Cross | | 32:21 | “She goes, no, I’m a lawyer for Disney. And it’s so perfect. It’s so perfect because all of Los Angeles dresses like this.” | Marcia Cross | | 40:19 | “It is such an insidious Hollywood thing that everything is taken to the man’s point of view. For the man.” | Marcia Cross | | 41:37 | “As an older woman... I want her to know that she can do power, and I want her to know she could just mess herself up.” | Kristin Davis | | 45:28 | “It’s not about the other person necessarily... she had an experience of herself.” | Marcia Cross | | 50:53 | “What show is being greenlit starring a whole bunch of 30 or 40 year olds? Not that many. Or 50 year olds. Or 60.” | Marcia Cross |
The episode glows with authentic banter, warmth, and the same blend of wit and vulnerability that made SATC a classic. The hosts float easily between laughter and seriousness, generously sharing both industry wisdom and personal vulnerability. Moments of deep reflection are punctuated with infectious laughter, and everyone leans into the “chronicle of women’s experiences” tone.
This episode is rich with inside scoops, genuine industry reflections, and the kind of honest, generational wisdom only real veterans can share. It’s both a loving look back and a hopeful prod forward, echoing Marcia’s words:
“If it’s meant for you, it’s for you.” (41:28)