Speed Dating with Clark Gregg

Summary

Are You A Charlotte? – “Speed Dating with Clark Gregg” (Jan 26, 2026)
Host: Kristin Davis | Guest: Clark Gregg

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Episode Overview

In this lively, nostalgic episode, Sex and the City’s Charlotte York herself, Kristin Davis, welcomes acclaimed actor Clark Gregg to revisit the pivotal episode “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Through laughter and thoughtful reflection, they unpack 90s/2000s dating culture, beloved SATC storylines, the cultural impact of the series, and what’s changed—and what hasn’t—about dating, honesty, and female friendship. Gregg brings humor, humility, and a fan’s perspective from the “man toy” vantage point, while Davis offers behind-the-scenes memories and fresh insights for old and new fans alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clark Gregg’s ‘Sex and the City’ Experience

• Memories of Casting & the SATC Set
  • Gregg reveals he barely had HBO at the time but knew SATC’s reputation:

    "Guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week...what's your thing?" (05:37, Clark Gregg)

  • He describes the pride of joining the “club” of New York actors guest-starring on the show, akin to a rite of passage (25:43).
• Speed Dating: Then and Now
  • The guest star's episode centered on Miranda’s foray into speed dating, a precursor to dating apps:

    “It is so much precursor of...swiping left...just poor man’s Raya.” (07:35, Kristin/Clark)

  • Davis marvels at the old-school, in-person tension of face-to-face encounters—something both note has changed drastically.

2. Gender Roles, Honesty, and Storytelling in SATC

• Miranda, Men, and the Harvard Problem
  • Hilarious recall that Miranda’s intelligence and ambition immediately “turned off” speed daters (08:43).
• Lies and Identity in Dating
  • Both discuss the mechanics and reasons people (and their characters) fib or edit their identity, especially pre-Google:

    “They couldn't have done any digging on each other...You couldn't really lie that much [now].” (09:58, Kristin Davis)

• The Stewardess vs. Flight Attendant Bit
  • A wink at dated language and how quick SATC was to poke fun at shifting norms (09:09).

3. Revisiting the Episode’s Themes: Truth, Choices & Female Agency

• Charlotte’s Relationship Arc with Kyle
  • Davis reflects on Charlotte getting “everything she wanted” on paper, only to find something lacking:

    “Everything would look perfect, everything would seem perfect, but then it wouldn't really be...” (14:10, Kristin Davis)

  • Clark admires Charlotte’s (and the show’s) assertion of female sexual agency:

    “You're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom.” (16:06, Clark Gregg)

• Clark’s SATC Storyline Legacy
  • He is frequently recognized for his faux-ER doctor role; “it landed for some people.” (13:13, Clark Gregg)

4. Behind the Scenes: Cast, Guest Stars, and Law & Order Parallels

• Male Guest Star Rankings
  • Clara and Kristin reminisce about a People Magazine–style “hottest guest stars” ranking, leading to competitive banter with actors like John Slattery and Bobby Cannavale (25:00 onwards).
• Appreciation for Supporting Actors
  • Davis credits the show’s stacked roster of male “mantoys” for enriching the series’ ensemble energy (26:45).

5. The Big Emotional Themes: Truth, Betrayal, and Innocence Lost

• Carrie & Aiden's Storyline
  • Davis and Gregg dissect Carrie’s confession of infidelity to Aiden and the raw, “gentle” masculinity of his heartbreak:

    “He seems to have...a gentle form of masculinity...he's talking about trees and how they complement each other...” (48:09, Clark Gregg)

  • Gregg, from a modern perspective, calls out red flags and explores how forgiveness operates differently now:

    “If you did it for three weeks...the conversation should be very different.” (52:15, Clark Gregg)

  • Both express empathy for both Carrie’s guilt and Aiden’s pain.
• Changing Relationship Norms
  • The hosts note how much more jaded or transactional dating (and society’s attitude toward sex and honesty) has become, post-apps and post-COVID:

    “There is...an innocence compared to now...it's made for people like, well, this is what I'm into, this is my transaction..." (33:53, Clark Gregg)

6. The Fight Scene: Bridesmaids & Realism in Female Friendship

• Charlotte vs. Samantha in Vera Wang
  • Davis revisits the episode’s biting bridesmaids’ fight, noting its realism and connection to Pat Field’s costume choices (40:44).
  • Gregg points out the subtle class commentary and humor in the scene.

7. The Legacy of SATC: Critique, Celebration, and Gender

• Early Backlash to SATC’s Format
  • Davis recalls sexist early criticism, such as the notion the characters were “really gay men dressed as women” because of two prominent gay male writers (38:21).
  • Both refute this and champion the authenticity—and diversity—of the show’s perspectives.
  • They celebrate Kim Cattrall’s Samantha as a character “we hadn't seen before...the complete unapologetic way that she lives her life is so unusual and different...” (39:11).

8. Life, Parenting, and The Comfort of SATC for Mothers

• SATC as New Mom Comfort TV
  • Davis acknowledges the impact the series had on new mothers, offering an aspirational “form of freedom” during early parenting (36:51).

9. Clark Gregg’s New Indie Series: “The Artist” on The Network

• Indie Streamer Spotlight
  • Gregg gives an elevator pitch for The Network’s “The Artist,” a Gilded Age murder drama, and champions supporting independent creators (56:30–58:26).

10. “Are You a Charlotte?” – Who Are We, Really?

• Clark Gregg’s SATC Self-Diagnosis
  • Clark doesn’t feel like a Miranda and instead claims:

    “I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl. Confused by some of her dark or naughty impulses...then a little bit too analytical...as I would kind of say, Carrie. And there's always the Specter of my 1980s Samantha on my shoulder..." (59:33–60:02, Clark Gregg)

  • Kristin responds she’s “half and half” Charlotte and Carrie.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week...what's your kink?” —Clark Gregg (05:37)
• “It is so much precursor of...swiping left...just poor man’s Raya.” —Kristin & Clark (07:35–07:49)
• “You're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom.” —Clark Gregg (16:06)
• “It's right up there with ‘Law & Order’...It's a rite of passage for a New York actor.” —Clark Gregg (25:43)
• “He seems to have...a gentle form of masculinity...he's talking about the kinds of trees...” —Clark Gregg on Aiden (48:09)
• “If you did it for three weeks...the conversation should be very different.” —Clark Gregg on Carrie’s cheating (52:15)
• “There’s so much awareness that feels healthy...but it feels like some of the innocence, some of the mystery, might be getting peeled away.” —Clark Gregg (34:13)
• “Anytime women own their sexuality...they have to find some thing to take it away.” —Kristin Davis (38:21)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [04:18] Gregg on working across genres & prepping for SATC
• [07:03] Discussion of speed dating origins and mechanics
• [14:19] Reflecting on Charlotte’s relationship conundrum
• [25:00] Male guest stars ranking/“mantoys” banter
• [29:11] Analyzing the “truth” theme and high emotional stakes
• [33:53] Changes in dating and relationship culture
• [48:04] Aiden’s representation of gentle masculinity
• [52:45] Debating the ethics of Carrie’s infidelity
• [56:22] Clark pitches his new show, “The Artist”

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Tone & Style

The episode’s tone is warm, authentic, and peppered with self-deprecating humor and nostalgia. Davis is candid and curious; Gregg is witty and reflective, offering a male guest star’s perspective with humility. Both are unafraid to critique themselves and the show’s legacy.

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Final Thoughts

A must-listen for SATC fans and newcomers alike, this episode deftly weaves insider stories with cultural critique and emotional resonance. Through a blend of laughter and sincerity, Kristin Davis and Clark Gregg remind us why Sex and the City still matters—and what we can learn from its stories about love, honesty, and growing up, then and now.

Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Clark Gregg]

Hang around long enough.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Clark Gregg]

If you're desperate enough, like, oh, look, you, everything but Dancing with the Stars.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, you know, me too. Me too. Cause there's not enough money in the world for me to do that.

[Clark Gregg]

No, I watched my ex wife live through it and it was.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh my God. Right, Right. Yeah. See, physically, I just don't think I would survive, much less emotionally. But yeah, I think you'd kill it.

[Clark Gregg]

I think I would kill it.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh my God, you're sweet. I think you would kill it as well. But yeah, it's never gonna happen. Only in my fantasies. Cause I would really devastate anyone's preconceived notions of me if I went on that show. But you've done so many things and we were very, very lucky to have you on Sex and the City. It aired on August 27th in the year 2000, which means I shot it in in the spring 1999 or in the spring, probably because we would go to work in February. We would be filming while it was on the air. Like in the olden days we used to do right in like TV land. So, yeah, you probably shot it in the spring. Yeah. I mean, what do you remember? Like, did you know the show? Like, did you. What were your thoughts?

[Clark Gregg]

I knew the show a little. What was I doing? I was living in New York at that mom. But I was back and forth between New York and L. A A lot in those days. And I don't think I had hbo.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Clark Gregg]

So I had seen a couple, and I just knew that it was something that. Guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week. And it was kind of passed around like, that's guys. I'm like, oh, what's your kink? What's your thing?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I like that.

[Clark Gregg]

So I was thrilled to. To join that club. And I feel like I hadn't met. I knew Liz Ticillo and maybe Cindy Shupek. I knew a couple of the writers, and I had met Sarah a couple of times when she was doing a Robbie Bates play at Playwrights Horizon. I was in another play in the smaller theater upstairs, so I knew her a little bit, but only all my love dealings were with Miranda.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. So wait, you had never met Cynthia?

[Clark Gregg]

I think we'd met one, you know, Right. Right around in our, whatever, 20s or something in. And I bumped into people here and there, but, you know, so I was always like, yeah, yeah, we kind of.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But not, you know, not in that way. I get it. So I love your role so much. And I had completely forgotten all the details because I haven't seen these shows since, you know, since we made them. Right.

[Clark Gregg]

No. I did a sitcom with Julia Louis Dreyfus like, six or seven years later than this, and I watched them like, I've never seen the show before. I'm like, this is so exciting. What's gonna happen next? I'm saying a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I must know. And that version of me knows.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Right. And I mean, I didn't remember at all. Like, first of all, I completely forgot about the speed dating. Like, this was a moment in time before the dating apps had come about where you could sign up at a restaurant. Miranda does this. It's her storyline. And it's like, what do they say, seven minutes or whatever. And the guys, the women are just sitting at the table and there's a little bell, and, like, the guys just revolve through. I never did this, but I remember people talking about it. Oh, my God, how crazy.

[Clark Gregg]

I did one last weekend. They're still out there.

[Kristen Davis]

So that's the people who are like, we're not going to be on the apps. We're just going to do it in person. I love it because it really is so. It is so much precursor of, like, swiping left or whatever they is that way, 100% right.

[Clark Gregg]

It's really just poor man's Raya.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely poor man's.

[Clark Gregg]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it. So. But the funny part is that you are face to face, which is like, you know, much more loaded.

[Clark Gregg]

Don't you think it's better.

[Kristen Davis]

Better for sure.

[Clark Gregg]

Then you don't have to have that moment when you sit down at the cafe and go, oh, for Pete's sake, use a picture from this decade. Would you add some.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, have you had that moment, Clark? Cause I have not done it.

[Clark Gregg]

And maybe some have had it with me. I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Wow. Well, people would know who you are. I don't think they would have that moment.

[Clark Gregg]

There's, you know, if they. If they get reruns, they've seen a somewhat recent picture of me.

[Kristen Davis]

So funny. So the thing that I. That. So Miranda's there. She's, you know, being her. Her true Miranda self, and she's saying that she went to. To Harvard and she's a lawyer, and the guys just immediately look off. They just immediately are like, next. You know? Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

They didn't.

[Clark Gregg]

They didn't make them even a little bit ambivalent. They just.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, no.

[Clark Gregg]

I was like, why don't you think that's hot? I don't. I don't get this.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, I mean, look, it is a real thing. It is a real thing.

[Clark Gregg]

I think the stewardess thing they call them.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't know if. I don't know.

[Clark Gregg]

Stewardess. Now people's heads whip around like, what did you just say? It's like a racial slur. Yeah. You got to say flight attendant.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, gosh. I guess that's true. And she does say at one point, doesn't she?

[Clark Gregg]

Yeah, they talk about that.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Oh, my worst. We're so on top of it way back in the year 2000. But it's funny that, like, I think for Miranda, too, because then she puts that scarf around her neck when you guys go out or whatever, which is so hysterical. I'd forgotten all of this. She has, like, a scarf and, like, her hair's poofy and, like, she's fully committed to playing this part. It's so funny. And she has, like, a floral bra on, which is also funny. And you also. We have no idea that this is coming. I did not remember this when I'm watching it. I 100% believe that you are an ER doctor.

[Clark Gregg]

Yeah. No, in my character work.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, you come.

[Clark Gregg]

No, he was. He was. The whole thing about the athletes. What? That's just because he'd done some bad. No, they didn't have Google. I couldn't have even checked. See, this is also. They. They couldn't have done any digging on each other.

[Kristen Davis]

That is so right. It's a different time. It's so interesting. And this is what I love to look back on, because there's some things that still ring so true. Like, I do think it rings true that men would not. I don't know. I guess it depends on the man, right? Definitely. If they would be into a Harvard educated lawyer. I think there are some who would not be. But then I think there are some who would be. Right. Like, there's some things that are still really, really, really true that we wrote about in 1999, 2000, and then there's some things that aren't right. And a lot of the logistics have changed. Like, we could Google people, we would look into people, blah, blah, blah. You couldn't really lie that much.

[Clark Gregg]

I presume that you're like me in that you fly a fair amount.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Clark Gregg]

And I certainly. I remember when. What I would consider a kind of aggregate flight attendant. What they would be like. And they're different now.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Clark Gregg]

They're different now.

[Kristen Davis]

Very true.

[Clark Gregg]

And I look, there's so many terrible things that have happened in terms of flying and how tense it is and how they've crammed us into, like, you see those. Sometimes it'll come up like, here's what it was like to fly first class in 1967.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Clark Gregg]

And it's like you're at Hef's house. House. And everybody's, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

Now it seems like there's some very. And they're a little crabby sometimes.

[Kristen Davis]

This is true.

[Clark Gregg]

But also, like, how could you not be right?

[Kristen Davis]

No, it's super intense. Super intense to be a flight attendant. I agree. I mean, also, I just remember from when I started working, which would have been the first time that I would have ever flown anything other than coach. Right. And they would have that little, you know, push cart with the caviar and whatnot. Like, and that's not that long ago. I don't feel like, like how. I mean, I know how technically, like what happened that made it down. But it is kind of shocking now. And. And I do feel like the flight attendant's job is like a whole other level. Partly because everyone's always Filming all the angry people on the flight that they have to deal with. Does your Instagram show you that?

[Clark Gregg]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Oof.

[Clark Gregg]

People lose their minds up on a flight.

[Kristen Davis]

Horrible. Horrible. Oh, my goodness me. But yeah, the idea of Miranda actually being a flight attendant is pretty hysterical because you could see she would, like, cut someone down real quick, you know what I mean? But I love her characterization of it all is adorable. So when you went. So you knew Cindy, who actually wrote this episode, right? Cindy.

[Clark Gregg]

Just barely. A little bit, I think.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah. And Dan Allgrant directed.

[Clark Gregg]

That's right. And I knew Dan through some people or just a little bit. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, got it. Cool. He was chill. I liked him. He was good. He was calm and good. What do you remember about, like, what was it like for you to play limbo? As you said?

[Clark Gregg]

Not that much. I mean, I. I hadn't done that much. I still hadn't done that much film stuff. So I remember being kind of nervous still a little bit like, oh, we're gonna do the same thing on this side now. But I also, I don't know, I thought it was funny scenes like they are. I just kind of liked it. I thought it was a funny bit I do have of the people who come up to me. There is definitely a twinkle eyed, twinkly eyed person, often a woman who's like you. You're not really an emergency room doctor. And I'm like, it. It landed for some people.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, definitely.

[Clark Gregg]

So I remember that. And I remember it was kind of. I just remembered it was kind of fun.

[Kristen Davis]

It was really fun. I mean, it's. It's fun because also this episode is kind of serious in a lot of ways.

[Clark Gregg]

Because, you know, well, you're going through a lot.

[Kristen Davis]

I know so much. So much. And when I look back on it.

[Clark Gregg]

You'Ve got the most charming man in the world, Kyle.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, beyond. Right, Beyond.

[Clark Gregg]

I love that guy so much.

[Kristen Davis]

So do I.

[Clark Gregg]

But not his character.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, it's.

[Clark Gregg]

I was trying to, like, work through the innuendo to figure out exactly the specifics of what the problem was. The sales would go up, but they wouldn't stay that way.

[Kristen Davis]

I know we say a lot of weird things, but we don't actually show it. Which is kind of interesting also because on the show we show so much, but in this particular situation, we cut away and I, you know, and then we just show us after the fact and we're discussing it and it's a little bit vague and I. I think it's because Kyle told me Because I didn't remember any of this. What I remember is that I knew Charlotte was gonna get what she wanted, and I knew it wasn't gonna work out. Right. So, like, everything would look perfect, everything would seem perfect, but then it wouldn't really be, you know, the relationship.

[Clark Gregg]

And frankly, you're having to make a very tough choice. There's so many things about this guy. He loves you. He's devoted, seems to do very well. But you're going to. It's, It's a Greek myth, really. But you'll have to give up your smoldering sexual fire.

[Kristen Davis]

That's very kindly, but I know I, I hadn't read.

[Clark Gregg]

I love it. You make a very modern choice.

[Kristen Davis]

You think? Yes. Okay. Okay. I, I, I was shocked when I looked back on the episode. I didn't really remember it as clearly as we lay it out, you know, that I have to kind of like that scene in the bed. And it's one of those things, too. I'm very critical of myself. Right. So I'm like, ooh, did I, did I, did I digest it enough? Like, do you really feel like it lands for her? I don't know. Did I do enough? I don't know. I'm not sure, you know, but obviously I'm looking at it from now. You know, you, you look at things differently at different times in your lives. Obviously. I mean, at the time, I thought.

[Clark Gregg]

It was very clear. Yeah. Like.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. Okay, good.

[Clark Gregg]

Listen, I mean, I, I don't have to do a ton thinking about this.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. I mean, that's what I think. I worry that I didn't take it in enough.

[Clark Gregg]

No, I don't. But that's what I'm saying. It read right to me because I don't know what I think works about the episode. You know, when I've talked about this episode at various colleges, is that we can kind of feel the pull.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

To go along. I can get this part of him going. I can rev up his engines. But, you know, now I watch it from a modern lens, and I'm like, you're right. This wasn't going to change. And you're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Right.

[Clark Gregg]

But, I mean, I'm being an ally. Can you feel it? I'm being an ally.

[Kristen Davis]

I did, I did feel that. I did feel that. I mean, I think it's interesting, too, because, like, I mean, I guess it's also because Charlotte has pursued this thing relentlessly. Right. But, like, before he Comes I've got this book, Marriage Incorporated, and I'm like, I'm gonna get married this year. Like, many kind of backwards ways, right? Like Charlotte, God love her, she's so focused on that goal. And that's why it was so great that the writers set it up the way they did. But I think one thing that happened was that we didn't necessarily know we were going to get Kyle, right? Like, the idea was, you know, you're gonna get a great guy and then it's not gonna work out. But then Kyle shows up. I mean, he's not a great guy. He's like a guy.

[Clark Gregg]

He's a dreamer.

[Kristen Davis]

He's a dream. I know, I know. And I think all of us felt that way across the board, because he was only supposed to be there for five episodes, I wanna say. And he was supposed to be boring. He was supposed to not be able to perform sexually and to be boring. Neither of which was particularly believable. Right? Do you know what I'm saying? So. And I mean, I know he committed and everything and whatnot, but, like, he's still Kyle in the end, you know, he's, like, so charismatic and fascinating, and.

[Clark Gregg]

He'S got someone whose family name, Greg, comes from McGregor. I'm like, I don't believe any of this. A guy with a kilt who's not going to deliver.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, let me ask you this about the Scottish guy. I can't remember this. This actor's name.

[Clark Gregg]

Like, funny. He was unintelligible.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Do you think that was a little much or do you think that that was realistic?

[Clark Gregg]

I thought it was kind of funny. It was kind of a bold choice because I couldn't quite understand most of what he was saying.

[Kristen Davis]

Me neither. Me neither. His name is Richie Coster, and I don't know his deal. I should investigate his deal because some of it.

[Clark Gregg]

He could be your next. He could be.

[Kristen Davis]

He could. We could check in with Richie Custer, wherever he might be, and ask him, like, are you really Scottish? Did you. Did you put it on a little.

[Bowen Yang]

A little.

[Clark Gregg]

Little too much, or was that a really good bit? You could have him on and he'd be like, no, I totally put it on. And then everything else he said would be unintelligible.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

I had remembered vaguely. And Kyle had brought him up because. Because Kyle said he couldn't understand him either. So maybe he just committed fully to the Scottish. I don't know. But he was interesting. I liked it. I liked. There's so many things about this episode that I like. I really wished that your character had gotten to come to my wedding.

[Clark Gregg]

Me too.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Clark Gregg]

That would have been a great place, frankly, for someone to cut Their finger and him to scream like a girl.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. See, I didn't remember any of that. So I was like, wait, why is he not helping her? Why is he not helping her when she cuts her finger? And, you know, and it is so hurt like, that she would kind of. It was really bleeding, you know, it was really. It made me laugh because I didn't remember any of it.

[Clark Gregg]

I know it always. It felt really bad to me in the day, like, why can't she admit that she's lying, too? And they're like, sorry, it's not gonna happen.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I agree. I wanted her to admit also, because then I have a beautiful future. That's right.

[Clark Gregg]

But also, I love that she stuck with it. So she's like. I was like. She's like, I hope I don't see you on any of my flights.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Clark Gregg]

And I was like, well, I wouldn't be in first class if I did.

[Kristen Davis]

And she was like, that was.

[Clark Gregg]

No, you wouldn't. And I'm like, hey, this is classist now.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it was sad. It was very cutting. It was very cutting. But also, I was just. I was just sad that you had to go. I mean, I know that that's how we. We were rolling at that point. Like, guys would come through, but the.

[Clark Gregg]

Guys came blazing through. And I was telling somebody this morning, I said, I remember there's somebody, maybe People magazine or somebody. Somebody sent me once, and it was like, of all the little man toys that came through that show, who was the hottest? And it was a ranking, like, 1 through 50. And I was sudden, I was on a text chain with, like, John Slattery and Neil Pepe, and they were like, ha, ha. I'm three above you.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. I love that so, so, so much. I love that so, so, so much. Our guys, I. I literally feel like we had the most incredible supporting cast for all the years that we went.

[Clark Gregg]

It's right up there with Law and Order in that it's a rite of passage for a New York actor of a certain moment.

[Kristen Davis]

That's exactly right. Though we have not done as many episodes as they have, so I guess it was a little harder to get right. But on the other hand, I remember one time, I guess it was the last season, we were nominated for a SAG Award, which, of course, is wonderful because it's the whole ensemble. And we were presenting, I think. I guess we were presenting. I don't even know if we were nominated. And. Oh, no, I think we won. I don't know. The point is, we were presenting, and I feel for some reason, like, we went off script, which you're not really supposed to do at the award shows, you know, but I think we did because you're at the SAG Awards and you're just looking at a sea of actors and, like, Bobby Cannavale was there. Slattery was there. So many of our co stars of our guest stars.

[Clark Gregg]

Oh, funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Were there. Right. And I just felt like we should mention them, you know, because it was really, like the wind in our sails that we had. You guys.

[Clark Gregg]

Is that what you did?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, I went off. I went off book and I mentioned them, and then Kim, like, went right on book and everybody was just kind of left. But I just felt like that's why we're there, right? Like. Like that's what makes our industry work.

[Clark Gregg]

We were the mantoys beneath your wings.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, and we needed that. We really needed that, you know, and I think women are so used to playing those parts and men aren't. And I know it takes, like, a lot to just be like, I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna do this part, and then I'm gonna go and, you know, serve the purpose. Like, it's a. It's a. It's a lovely thing, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you were so good, and I was sad you didn't get to stay. That's my main thing. I want to say.

[Clark Gregg]

It all worked out okay.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. Now, let me ask you as a guy, when. When you were you. So if you didn't have HBO and you were on the show, how did you end up seeing your own episodes?

[Clark Gregg]

I think by the time it came out, I had acquired a better cable package.

[Kristen Davis]

Cool.

[Clark Gregg]

Something else had happened, I think a writing job. So suddenly I had my first, like, oh, good, I can watch.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Clark Gregg]

Watch this thing and still have the same feeling of she should come clean.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. I thought she should have, too. I thought she should have, too. And then when you were, like, walking around in life, what was it? Were people immediately talking to you about it? Was it embarrassing? Was it okay?

[Clark Gregg]

No, I mean, you know, it was a hot show to be. To be on and to be. You know, what was interesting was I realized, oh, my God, everybody's watching this. And certainly every woman in the country's watching this.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

I mean, I went to a movie, I think, in Santa Monica, and I saw people whispering, whispering. And I'm like, she was lying, too.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, so this is. This is something you've been holding on to since the year 2000. Listen, I thought the same thing. I was really. I did want her to come clean because then I thought you could have bonded over the fact.

[Clark Gregg]

It's not fair.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's not fair, for sure. But also, like, what a beautiful human thing that you would both feel like you had to lie, you know, Like, I thought it was so cute. Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

You're never enough.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I know. Isn't that sad that everyone feels that way? So when you. When you look back at this. Because this whole episode, with the exception of you, it's not very funny. It's, like, pretty dramatic, which I hadn't really remembered.

[Clark Gregg]

I mean, there's that nasty fight between you and Samantha.

[Kristen Davis]

Samantha. I know. That scared me watching that. I was like, wow, I don't remember this. It was tense.

[Clark Gregg]

But also, what's cool about it in terms of. It's really an episode that's all about telling the truth.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's so brilliant.

[Clark Gregg]

There's a unity to it that's not in all of them and not in all of any shows that I was like, wow, they're really exploring different themes about this.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I think that the third season is when our writers really clicked in and were able to unify the theme that beautifully and the theme in this particular one. Because sometimes the theme will be a little bit more esoteric or whatever, you know, like, I can't think of one off the top of my head, but it won't be deep. Yeah, Shoes or funky spunk or, you know, something such like that. But in this one, it is a deep. A deep theme that is, you know, coursing throughout. And you guys are a funny version of it. And then both Carrie and Aiden's storyline and Charlotte and Kyle's storyline, it's a much more deep, serious storyline about big, big choices and, you know, really revealing yourself to. To the person that you love. And can you do that and should you do that? I guess, in the. In the Carrie situation.

[Clark Gregg]

Because I wish you hadn't told me.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I know. What do you think of that? Do you think she should have told him?

[Clark Gregg]

Yeah, if they're going to get serious, I think. But also, I think it's this girl. I mean, like, why she doing that? She's like, there's a big conversation to be had of, why are you sabotaging another thing? But I. But if you tell the guy, I mean, how's he gonna go? How can I trust you?

[Kristen Davis]

Of course. I mean, it is interesting because I think. I think when I watched it, I am struck by how incredibly good John Corbett and Sarah Jessica are together. Like, they're so amazingly connected, which is amazing because she is also equally, you know, connected and has incredible chemistry with Kris Noth. So, like. And they are opposites, you know, in so many ways. The characters and also the people kind of like the vibe or whatever is so different. And she's so skillful in terms of the, you know, the depth and the reality that she brings to those relationships. Obviously, she's amazing. But when he. I think that she felt that their connection was so intense that she could tell him that she did this and that they would have a fight or whatever it was, and then it would be okay, you know, but it's not. It's sad. Yeah, it's sad. He looks so crushed, Aiden. I feel really bad for him. But then, obviously, you know, we know what happens and whatever. But also many things happened that I don't even remember between now and then. But you know what I mean? But I thought, like. And I think when they. There's a voiceover where they say that my character, that I'm 34, because I can never remember how old we're actually supposed to be in reality, because I can't separate real life from the fictional life it seems when I look back on it. And I don't know if this has to do with the innocence of the time. Compared to now, I feel like we seem younger. Do you know what I mean?

[Clark Gregg]

How so?

[Kristen Davis]

Like. Like the kind of. Does it seem to you because you were back and forth LA New York, living the similar lives in a way, not to the characters necessarily, but to like in New York, whatever. Like. Like a New York life. Right. Do you feel like it.

[Clark Gregg]

They seem young.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Does it resonate with you, like where you were in your life?

[Clark Gregg]

I mean, the dilemmas, certainly. Yeah. I mean, you guys were living. Your characters were living this kind of very, to me, very uptown, affluent life that was quite different.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true. Right.

[Clark Gregg]

A little more bohemian.

[Kristen Davis]

But what about the relationship part?

[Bowen Yang]

Like.

[Kristen Davis]

Like the stakes. I guess what I'm saying is the stakes seem so high. I mean, they're high for Charlotte because Charlotte has this goal of getting married. Right. Which is very different than my own goals. But like. Like, the stakes are so high. But also I feel like the innocence is like, I feel like now people are more jaded or I don't know what the word is. I know what you mean.

[Clark Gregg]

Yes, there is for it being kind of very sex forward. Sex positive. It does feel like there's an innocence compared to now where perhaps becoming forgiveness. Let's go. Let's go in.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

Perhaps because of apps.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

And the various permutations of those and. But also the culture where there is this form of autonomy that should be there. At the same time, it's made for people like, well, this is what I'm into. This is my transaction. I identify as ethically non monogamous. And like, what is what?

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Clark Gregg]

What is what? Okay, is that like poly?

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Clark Gregg]

What else? And are you. You're buying? You're this kind of buy or that? I mean, it's just there's so much awareness that feels healthy in many ways, but at the same time, it feels like some of the innocence, some of the mystery.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Clark Gregg]

Might be getting peeled away.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right. That's. That's well put. That's well put. I think also, like, I think a lot of it is Covid. Right. Because we went through this crazy time. So young people, you know how what happened with their development of. Of dating, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, the thing about Michael, Patrick and Darren that was interesting was, you know, this. The whole show was. The show was Darren's idea based on Candace Bushnell's book. Right. So Candice Bushnell was. Carrie.

[Clark Gregg]

Just met her the other night.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no way. You hadn't met her before. I'm sure she was fun. She's really fun. But she obviously had been living this life herself. You know, this was what she was cataloging in her.

[Clark Gregg]

Right, right. I forgot source material.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right. But it's actually, it's important to talk about because I think for a long time for us, what would happen. People forget that there was a lot of negative about the show in the beginning. Right. Like, who do these women think they are? You know, how dare they? You know, women don't talk like this. Like, there was a lot of kind of, you know, sexist, vile things said at us and to us and about.

[Clark Gregg]

Us in the beginning especially, you know, better than I. But I certainly. I mean, this is only season three, Right?

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

How many were there in the original?

[Kristen Davis]

Well, six and a half.

[Clark Gregg]

Because I remember, I mean, a year and a half after this, I am in bed with a baby on my chest with my then wife.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

And she's making us watch it every week.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Clark Gregg]

She's like, no, no, it's time for this.

[Bowen Yang]

Shut up.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it.

[Clark Gregg]

I'm like, okay, okay, I'll hold the kid.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what people at the time. And this is, again, a little bit off, but I enjoy it at the time. A lot of new mothers would come up to us on the street and say, like, you're getting me through. You're getting me through. And at the time, I'd be like, that is such an interesting thing, because I wouldn't necessarily think that, like, you have a newborn. I'm gonna watch Single Single Ladies, but now that I've had kids, I understand, because you're kind of enclosed. You're somewhat trapped in the newborn experience. Right. Like, you can't. You're not living your life in the same way. It's a very big change. So I think it was like an outlet, like a. Like a fun, you know, like, how it used to be type thing. Because even if everything's going great, you're like, you're. You're. You're just with that baby all the time.

[Clark Gregg]

Well, you're watching a form of freedom that you do not have and will not for a while.

[Kristen Davis]

Beautiful. Seven and 14.

[Clark Gregg]

Cute.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. And you're 23. Oh, my God.

[Clark Gregg]

She moved here about four, three months ago. I'm so happy.

[Kristen Davis]

Fantastic. Yeah. I don't want mine to leave. Sometimes my mind says that my 14. She's like, I'm not. I'm not going to go anywhere. And I'm like, that's cool, babe. You don't have to. You don't have to. Yeah, UCLA is right down the road.

[Clark Gregg]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

But we'll see. We'll see. I know I'm supposed to let her. Let her go, but, you know, maybe not.

[Clark Gregg]

It'll happen when it happens.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, Right, right. It'll. It'll go the way it's going to go. Him, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he's going to want to go, but, you know, he's only seven, so who really knows? But wait, back to wait. What was I saying? What was I saying? Something about.

[Clark Gregg]

About women watching who have little newborns.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And I. I didn't really ever get that before. Before I had the kids. And then I was like, oh, yeah, no, I totally get it. Because you're fun to watch, and you need to feel that freedom. You're right. That's what it is. The freedom of the choices. You know? Like, that's one thing I love about our characters when you watch it, because some of these things I don't really remember. Oh. What I wanted to say was the man thing. So what would happen when people Would get angry about our show. Right. And they would feel like, well, that I've got to tear that show down. One of the ways that they would try to tear it down would be to say they're not really women. They're gay men dressed as women. Because it's written by these two gay guys. Which was so unfair and messed up.

[Clark Gregg]

No, it's so unfair.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Clark Gregg]

And I feel like anytime women kind of own their sexuality.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. They have to find some thing to take it away or whatever. But also, it's like saying that gay men can't write women. What is that about? Like, you know, no one said william Shakespeare can't write women. I mean, maybe some crazy person did, but whatever. You know what I'm saying? People can write other human experiences. This is the joy of. Of what we do. You know, you don't have to be exactly the thing.

[Clark Gregg]

But also, the women that were written were connected with millions and millions of women.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. People don't see. Thank God, though, they do. Occasionally people will say, oh, I thought gay men wrote that show. And I'll be like, well, can I just show you the list of our female writers? You know, it's long. We have a lot of amazing female writers. But also, who cares? You know, like, who cares? It's an interesting thing how. How they'll try to undercut you. You know, sometimes.

[Clark Gregg]

I hope that's not what it sounded like I was talking about.

[Kristen Davis]

No, not at all. It just reminded me of it. It reminded me of it because I do think when I watch it, there are moments with Samantha where I think, first of all, like, she is such a powerful, powerful character because we have not seen her before and really kind of since. I don't think we've seen her. I mean, maybe in reality tv. I don't really watch reality TV so much. But the, you know, energy that she has, the, like, the way that she embraces her sexuality, the complete unapologetic, you know, way that she lives her life is so unusual and different. And I can see in some ways that, you know, that was a very, like, a loud statement made by Darren and Michael Patrick. In some ways.

[Clark Gregg]

Necessary one.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, necessary and interesting one. Because it's interesting. She's so, like, even, you know, she gets sad and she has all the different feelings. This episode, she's fine. Though it is really interesting when I have that fight with her. Charlotte and she have that fight in Vera Wang. I hadn't remembered that. Hadn't remembered that at all. But I also think it's so Realistic. Like, people get so stressed about their weddings, you know, and just like, lash out at people. And I think also there was so much stress about. I've said this before, and there were weird headlines about it, but, like, Charlotte is Charlotte, and she wants the big fluffy wedding gown, and she wants everyone to be wearing these identical dresses. And there was a lot of stress for Pat Field, our costume designer, because there was a lot of debate about whether.

[Clark Gregg]

Oh, God, it was Pat Field.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Remember Pat?

[Clark Gregg]

I love her.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. She's incredible. She's incredible. And I, I, I'm happy that they ended up in their beige dresses. And I love how Sarah Jessica styled hers with the little tartan, you know, because that is a very Carrie thing to do. But I think there was some debate that maybe they shouldn't all be dressed the same. That that's not true to their character. So I think that made its way into that scene. And Samantha's saying, my hem should be shorter. Shouldn't I look amazing? And me saying, oh, if I have to be a bridesmaid. She says, if I have to be a bridesmaid, shouldn't I look amazing? And I say, well, you don't have to be a bridesmaid. Which is really pretty bold of Charlotte to say also. And then she says something like, well, I thought you wanted me to be. And I said, no, I just didn't want to leave you out. Which is, like, kind of cutting, you know, like, ouch. But, but, but it's kind of.

[Clark Gregg]

But it's good writing. Because at the same time, you get why she might want to cut her out. Because who the. Why do you got to be the hot bridesmaid? Being a bridesmaid's dress is. No, you're going to try to. We're going to try to make everybody look a little frumpier so mama can shine.

[Kristen Davis]

That's right. That's right, Clark. I see. I don't really. It's funny, too. Like, I didn't really realize that so much until my friend started getting married. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't really. I thought everyone wanted to look great or whatever, but then I realized, like, no, you're, you're, you're technically, you're in a support role. And you need to know that when you're a bridesmaid, you're in a supporting role. That's important, you know, but sometimes challenging. Before all the algorithm fed blobs and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery and I found the most amazing Mugler jacket and the costumed department loved it and it felt so good and I still have it at home. Like when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over. Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authentic guarantee ebay. Things people love. You ever get in a car and think, okay, this changes everything? That's exactly how I felt getting into the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid. Now I know hybrid SUV probably makes you think fuel economy first. Which by the way, yes, the thing gets up to 600 plus miles of range. But that is just scratching the surface. The new Palisade hybrid is redefining what it means to drive an suv. For starters, let's talk about interior space. It's class leading, which is just a fancy way of saying that the whole crew and everyone's going to be comfy. You've got seating for seven or eight passengers and yes, that available third row power seating that reclines. Game changer. There are available front and second row relaxation seats. Basically a spa day on wheels. And an available class exclusive blind spot view monitor that shows you a video feed of your blind spot right in the dash. How smart is that? There's even an available class exclusive built in dash cam. So whether it's a scenic drive or someone cuts you off and pretends like it didn't happen, you've got the receipts. And if you're all about the sound experience like me, the available Bose 14 speaker audio system is going to blow you away. I also love the tech forward touches like standard 100 watt USB C ports because fast charging is non negotiable these days. And the standard passenger talk intercom that lets you chat with people in the back without yelling. Ah moms, you know what I'm talking about. Ready to upgrade your ride? Learn more about the Hyundai [e-mail] Call 562-314-4603 for complete details.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Kristen Davis]

Okay, I want to talk about Carrie and Aiden a little bit and the big thing I hadn't really remembered this that it was this in depth but I like what do you think of Aiden as a guy? You know?

[Clark Gregg]

Uh oh I found him appealing in this.

[Kristen Davis]

You do?

[Clark Gregg]

I didn't.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, me too.

[Clark Gregg]

He's really into her. Yeah, he seems to have an interesting kind of muted. Like, not muted. It's not the right term. A gentle form of masculinity.

[Kristen Davis]

Yep.

[Clark Gregg]

You know, he's kind of. He's talking about the kinds of trees and the way that they complement each other. I'm like, listen, if you could find somebody like this on a dating app, you would. You would check out of the game.

[Kristen Davis]

100%. That's what I thought.

[Clark Gregg]

That's always, you know, you want. Or do you want the kind of, like, slightly slutty bad guy in Big?

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, is Big slightly slutty? That's super interesting. I had never thought of him that way. I would describe Big as a slightly withholding or. Or I'm very withholding bad guy or power guy or whatever.

[Clark Gregg]

Why is he being withholding? Because he's working some other angles. I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I love to hear the man.

[Clark Gregg]

I mean, I don't know. Listen, I.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. You were right. You were right that whole time he was holding.

[Clark Gregg]

Reads like a finance bro. And I think of them possibly in an acquisition kind of mindset.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Clark Gregg]

Where is he? Why is he not. Why is he not locking that down?

[Kristen Davis]

Right. This is good. This is very good. This is why we need the men to come on the podcast. Okay. We need to cut through it. All right. We need to cut through it. So when you're watching Aiden. Because I also had forgotten him, because I know Corbett, and Corbett is not like, he. Obviously, he. He's bringing all that to it. But, like, he. I wouldn't describe Corbett as a soft masculinity. He's like. Like super masculine. You know, like. Have you ever met Corbett?

[Clark Gregg]

I don't think I have.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. He is a character and like a one of a kind individual. 100%, but very. I would describe him as more, you know, like straight up masculine. Masculine. Masculine. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's. He's also really tall.

[Clark Gregg]

We're talking about the moment where she drops the bomb on it. Him. And there's so many ways to react to that.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

And it's such a primal wound, whether one likes. Because, you know, you walk around as a male and you have several brains in there. One of them that is in charge way more than you want it to be is about 80 million years old. And it has reactions to things like that that don't make any sense to you, but they completely take over the ship.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

And I don't know, there just was a way where he just. And I think it was Some of the writing leaned into this kind of like just really.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Clark Gregg]

You've really. I'm really. I don't have to say it really hurts.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It was so good. I thought it was so good.

[Clark Gregg]

Like that's what I mean by a kind of gentler.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, I know what you mean exactly.

[Clark Gregg]

Throwing things.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no, no. He doesn't know none of those. No, I'm not. I'm not disagreeing in any way. I just think it's interesting because John isn't that way himself. Right. So he's really doing a great job, you know, with what was written. Right.

[Clark Gregg]

Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

Like he's really deepening it and it's so sad. Like you feel so sad for Aiden. But then I also felt. I also really was. I was so torn because I do feel for Carrie. Like here she's got this amazing thing. She's of course messed up by cheating with Big, but she wants it to work out, which is why she tells him because she doesn't want to have the lies. She can't sleep at night because she has the lies. She's out there smoking on the stoop. Right. You can't really live like that, you know, like. Like it's. It's taking over her, her mind. It's like in between them even, you know, because. Because she hasn't told them. Right. Like it's living there in her, in her vision. It's living there like, I did this. I don't deserve him, you know, basically, which I felt for. No. Did you? No. You look like. No.

[Clark Gregg]

Well, no, I. I agree with everything you're saying, I guess. And I'm looking at it from a. A present day lens and I thought there's so many deep personality red flags. I'm sorry. I know it's a fun, loving, promiscuous show, but.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no.

[Clark Gregg]

If you like this guy and you went and had an affair for three weeks, then it's a. To me, the, the conversation should be very different. But that's very. Of this moment, like, right? No. Okay, we have to talk because I've done something horrible, right? I don't understand what happened. It's not okay with me. I don't blame you if you never. You know what I mean? Like, I think the conversation is what the hell is wrong with me, right? That I would do this to somebody.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Clark Gregg]

I think it came off a little. I got to tell you, this thing that happened, it's not like you didn't trip over a pothole and land on a naked Guy, you did it for three weeks.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so true. It's so true.

[Clark Gregg]

Which is not a moral judgment. It's just right.

[Kristen Davis]

No, she doesn't present it well.

[Clark Gregg]

You have no respect for me or this relationship or you wouldn't have done it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yikes. I mean, yes, I understand. I mean, I think it's an interesting thing.

[Clark Gregg]

Maybe that's. Maybe that's. My dad was a minister, so maybe I still carry those kind of moral hard lines, I think.

[Kristen Davis]

But I. But I. I mean, I get what you're saying. Exactly. And I think part of the thing about Carrie, which is interesting, is that on the one hand, she is this seeker and she's writing this column about, you know, I wonder this and I wonder that.

[Clark Gregg]

I mean, that's true. He's getting. Getting with the sex columnist and, like, you're never going to believe this, but I slept with somebody else for three weeks. He's like, this is what my friend.

[Kristen Davis]

Said would happen, which is probably true. But the thing that's great about Aiden and the reason they're interesting together is that he's kind of not New York. Like, sometimes you don't even know if he understands what she does. Do you know what I mean? Like, he's. He's not of her world.

[Clark Gregg]

He does. He feels like an upstate guy, and he is.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, we have an episode where they're going to go to the country. Coming, right? They go to the country.

[Clark Gregg]

I got to go. I got to watch the show again.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, clearly, clearly. Clearly, Clark. You got to watch the whole thing. But, you know, he. He's. But he's so, you know, he's disarming because of that. Right? Because he's not of her world, whereas Big was very much of her world. But yet she doesn't. Like, she's not. She's not worked out. And so there's been a lot of conversation about Carrie since the show ended about, you know, she's a narcissist, she's this that, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, obviously we wouldn't have had a show if she was worked out. You can't write, right, About. About people who.

[Clark Gregg]

Nobody wants to see a show about happy people enjoying life.

[Kristen Davis]

No. And also, like, who is that happy all the time anyway, right? Like, all of us have areas of. Of not being worked out at some point.

[Clark Gregg]

I feel like you're pretty happy.

[Kristen Davis]

Not all the time. I am. I. I think my general vibe, like, my general energy is happy, but, like, I have my, you know, I have.

[Clark Gregg]

My dark day do you have a dark day?

[Kristen Davis]

Things? Definitely. I might try to hide it. You know what I'm saying? Saying, no, no. You know, like, I probably wouldn't, like, come here and be like, I'm having a bad day on my podcast.

[Clark Gregg]

I think people think I'm. People are like, I just love how you're always smiling. And I'm like, what the. What are you talking about? I'm a dark, tortured being. Are you crazy?

[Kristen Davis]

That's interesting. But I do think of you as being, like, kind of nice and easygoing. Is that not true inside? No. Wow. Interesting.

[Clark Gregg]

I have a certain amount of. Of joy.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, me too.

[Clark Gregg]

I have a certain amount of. I enjoy humans. I enjoy existing in the world.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too.

[Clark Gregg]

But I definitely wake up in the middle of the night, like on the ninth circle of hell.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too. Me too.

[Clark Gregg]

Rowing a boat. I've been wondering this lately. Like, why is it so dark in here in the middle of the night? Like, things are good.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I might. I'm just gonna say what I tell myself in the middle of the night when I wake up, because I do wake up pretty frequently and there'll be some particular little minut on my mind. But what I think is it's the collective. Like, we're just living through some crazy times.

[Clark Gregg]

What do you mean?

[Kristen Davis]

We're not going to go into it because that's not my podcast, but you know what I mean, it's hard not to be affected by, you know. Okay, let me ask you about your new show, because first of all, I need to understand what network or whatever you want to call it. It's on. Explain.

[Clark Gregg]

Okay, I'm going to give it to you fast.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Clark Gregg]

There's a terrific producer in la. Been around for a while. Hillary Shore.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, Everybody loves her. Yeah, yeah.

[Clark Gregg]

She's really fantastic.

[Kristen Davis]

Really good.

[Clark Gregg]

I think she would not mind when I say she's one of the great broads.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Clark Gregg]

Of all time.

[Kristen Davis]

Love it.

[Clark Gregg]

And she and this wonderful guy who I didn't know, Aram Rapoport, a guy here. They. It's like the. It's like first year of Sundance in a way.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Clark Gregg]

They formed an indie structure streamer.

[Kristen Davis]

What? An indie downloaded.

[Clark Gregg]

It's an indie streamer called the Network.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Clark Gregg]

Just download it onto your Apple tv. And what they chose to make. They have another show. I think they acquire. Maybe. Okay. But they made a period drama about a murder, a couple of murders in the Gilded Age. Stanford White, who was murdered by a guy named Harry Thaw.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Clark Gregg]

In a bit of jealous rage over his 17 year old wife Evelyn Nes bit played by this wonderful young 17 year old actress. She might have been 15. The real girl ever Anderson, whose mom is Milla Jovovich.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Clark Gregg]

Shocking. But it's Mandy patenkin and Janet McTeer and Patty cone and Hank Azaria and Danny Houston.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Clark Gregg]

And for a shoestring they made this period piece set in 1905ish New York and it's quite, quite good.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I can't wait to see how.

[Clark Gregg]

They pulled it off. So that, that's, that is exciting news. What I'm here to get people to do is to try to. Among the very important topics we're unpacking, download the network and watch this thing because it's not Netflix so they need people to.

[Kristen Davis]

This is amazing.

[Clark Gregg]

It's an artist driven thing.

[Kristen Davis]

Great.

[Clark Gregg]

It's a united artist type thing. Like I'm gonna go talk to them next week about a show I want to try to make with them because this is a great. If we could take it over ourselves we would maybe not get so screwed in the negotiations.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely. Also like the consolidation situation in our industry is so at such a crazy, crazy level and we've got to create new things so that everything isn't going to be glommed into one thing, you know?

[Clark Gregg]

Yes, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

It's crazy town. So I'm, I'm so excited to hear that and I will download it and I will watch it because I'm excited. I'm excited to support. Always very exciting. Got to support the indie, any indie anything thing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you've been incredible. I'm going to ask you one slightly crazy question. Are you ready?

[Clark Gregg]

Uh.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Clark Gregg]

I'm scared a little.

[Kristen Davis]

Clark, are you a Charlotte?

[Clark Gregg]

I really want to be.

[Kristen Davis]

That's a very sweet answer. But what do you think you really are? You can be honest. It's cool.

[Clark Gregg]

Do you name which one of the people you are?

[Kristen Davis]

If you want to, you can be a part of different ones. If you don't say Miranda, I'm going to be shocked. Little bit of Miranda. Come on.

[Clark Gregg]

I don't feel like I don't feel that.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Okay, okay.

[Clark Gregg]

Don't feel that.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. You don't feel Miranda?

[Clark Gregg]

I feel more. I mean, honestly, you're going to have to bill me and we're going to have to go for another 50 minutes. But I feel like I live as a duality and that I have at least two of them.

[Kristen Davis]

Them that's okay.

[Clark Gregg]

Fighting at all. Which two?

[Kristen Davis]

Which two?

[Clark Gregg]

Definitely Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Clark Gregg]

I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl. Confused by some of her dark or naughty impulses.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Well put.

[Clark Gregg]

Perhaps. I'm not sure.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Clark Gregg]

But then a little bit too analytical and in her head, too much, as I would kind of say. Carrie.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Clark Gregg]

And there's always the Specter of my 1980s Samantha on my shoulder. Like, let.

[Kristen Davis]

Love it. That's great. That's great. I also am part Charlotte, part Carrie. I don't really. I don't know that I have a Samantha. I probably should want to have a Samantha, but I'm definitely half and half, so I really. They're. We're the same. Love it. Love it. Thank you for being with us.

[Clark Gregg]

Thanks so much for having me.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so fun.

[Clark Gregg]

I wish I had another episode so I could come back.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know. That's what I mean. We should have kept you longer.

[Clark Gregg]

I'll come back and talk about one of Slattery's episodes.

[Kristen Davis]

Fantastic. When you see Slattery, tell him he needs to come talk to me. Okay.

[Clark Gregg]

Oh, it's the next call I make.

[Kristen Davis]

Yay. Thank you so much. And anyone else on that text chain. Okay. Because we love to have you have.

[Clark Gregg]

To look up that article.

[Kristen Davis]

I want to see.

[Clark Gregg]

You have to make it part of your thing because you have to be like, how does it feel to be number 27 out of 30?

[Kristen Davis]

That hurts. That hurts. Just to feel it, just to think about it.

[Clark Gregg]

There was a lot of trash talk on the text thread.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I was.

[Clark Gregg]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Where was Bobby?

[Clark Gregg]

I don't remember.

[Kristen Davis]

Funny. It's so funny because he plays Funky Spunk, and I'm just dying to ask him how embarrassing that was. I don't think I've ever asked him that. And we worked together after the fact, but I don't think. I didn't have my podcast, you know, self yet. Right. Where I interview people. How did you feel being Mr. Funky Spunk? I mean, what a surreal thing. You know what I mean? But, yeah, we've had so many great actors, and they always.

[Clark Gregg]

I guess I should feel really good that I didn't walk out of there with a name like that.

[Kristen Davis]

I think so. I think you got.

[Clark Gregg]

I already get people calling out character names when I'm walking down the street. I don't need a Funky Spunk.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, I know. Can you imagine?

[Clark Gregg]

Am I going to explain that to the woman I'm on a date with right now?

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know, I know. That's why I'm dying to get Bobby. I'm dying to get Bobby someday. See, I do have this other thing where like at any time they can come and I'll just do like a little side episode with them because people love to see you guys.

[Clark Gregg]

If you see them in a restaurant, just like, listen, do you mind if we just do it?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I will. I'll just be like, here's my phone. Talking to the phone, talking to the phone. Then I'm going to be just be a menace and everyone's going to be like, avoid Kristen Davis. But hopefully not. Thank you for coming. It was a joy.

[Clark Gregg]

It's a pleasure.

[Kristen Davis]

Have a great day.

[Clark Gregg]

We got to finally talk.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, me too. Me too. Don't freeze out there, okay?

[Clark Gregg]

No, I won't.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, good. Have a great day. Bye.

[Clark Gregg]

Bye.

[Kristen Davis]

There are some things that we didn't talk about. So I'm going to continue my recap. You guys join me on Are you a Charlotte? We'll recap some more of the fantastic, fantastic episode. Don't ask, don't tell.

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