Supermodel, You Better Work with Christie Brinkley (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Are You A Charlotte?" Episode: Supermodel, You Better Work with Christie Brinkley (S2 E8 "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra")
Release Date: August 7, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Kristin Davis (Charlotte York) and Cynthia Nixon (Miranda Hobbes)

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Introduction

In this episode of "Are You A Charlotte?" Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon embark on a nostalgic journey, rewatching and dissecting Season 2, Episode 8 of Sex and the City, titled "The Man, The Myth, The Viagra." The hosts delve deep into the characters' developments, pivotal scenes, and the enduring themes that resonate both in the show's original run and in today's societal context.

Introduction of David Eigenberg's Character (Steve)

Kristin Davis opens the discussion by addressing David Eigenberg's character, Steve, whose introduction left a lasting impression.

Kristin Davis [03:42]: "Can we talk about David Eigenberg for a second? Because this is the first episode we see him incred from even the first episode, which I had not remembered at all."

Despite initially forgetting Steve's impactful entrance, Kristin acknowledges his significance in shaping Miranda's narrative.

Miranda's Character Arc and Vulnerability

Cynthia Nixon highlights Miranda's emotional turmoil and guarded nature, especially in the context of her past hurts.

Cynthia Nixon [04:16]: "Why is she being so mean? She's really been hurt before."

Kristin concurs, emphasizing Miranda's struggle to let down her walls.

Kristin Davis [04:23]: "Absolutely."

The hosts explore a memorable scene where Miranda's date is exposed at a comedy club, drawing parallels to contemporary situations like the "Coldplay situation."

Kristin Davis [06:12]: "It's all very interesting. And I don't know if we would do that same scene now. It seems like it might. Might not be cool."

Themes of Marriage and Fidelity

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the complexities of marriage, fidelity, and societal expectations. Cynthia shares personal insights inspired by her parents' enduring relationship.

Cynthia Nixon [09:49]: "I have my mom and dad as proof that it is possible. They were so great together. Their love could light up a room."

Kristin reflects on Charlotte's journey towards finding a fulfilling marriage, contrasting it with her own views.

Kristin Davis [19:06]: "Honesty, like, honesty."

They discuss the evolving nature of marriage and the challenges posed by modern societal pressures.

Charlotte and Harry's Relationship Dynamics

The hosts delve into the relationship between Charlotte York and Harry, highlighting the balance of ambition and support.

Cynthia Nixon [20:18]: "She's a very hard worker... and luckily, Harry is just, like, a great, great guy who supports."

Kristin adds that their partnership thrives on mutual respect and shared goals.

Kristin Davis [20:40]: "And I feel like that's one thing. And. Yeah. Like, he's. Yeah."

Miranda and Carrie's Friendship

Cynthia and Kristin explore the depth of Miranda and Carrie's friendship, noting its blend of support and open conflict.

Kristin Davis [23:07]: "And the chemistry is so intense between them, but yet she is still holding in so much."

Cynthia Nixon [25:06]: "I do think it's true."

Their discussion underscores the importance of honest communication and emotional support in enduring friendships.

Reflections on the Show's Writing and Emotional Impact

Both hosts express admiration for the show's writing and its ability to evoke strong emotional responses even years later.

Kristin Davis [39:39]: "It's just. It's a beautiful thing, and I'm just."

Cynthia Nixon [40:36]: "And that's from the fans, you know, and now I kind of get to be both rewatching it, which is... Right. Really, really fun."

They commend the character development and the show's capacity to remain relevant.

Conclusion

Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon conclude the episode by celebrating the enduring legacy of Sex and the City. They emphasize how the show's exploration of relationships, personal growth, and societal norms continues to resonate with audiences today. Their heartfelt discussion not only revisits beloved moments but also offers fresh perspectives, making it a valuable listen for both long-time fans and newcomers alike.

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Notable Quotes:

• Kristin Davis [03:42]: "Can we talk about David Eigenberg for a second? Because this is the first episode we see him..."
• Cynthia Nixon [09:49]: "I have my mom and dad as proof that it is possible."
• Kristin Davis [19:06]: "Honesty, like, honesty."
• Cynthia Nixon [20:18]: "She's a very hard worker... and luckily, Harry is just, like, a great, great guy who supports."
• Kristin Davis [23:07]: "And the chemistry is so intense between them, but yet she is still holding in so much."
• Cynthia Nixon [25:06]: "I do think it's true."
• Kristin Davis [39:39]: "It's just. It's a beautiful thing, and I'm just."
• Cynthia Nixon [40:36]: "And that's from the fans, you know, and now I kind of get to be both rewatching it..."

This episode serves as a testament to the timeless nature of Sex and the City, offering both appreciation and critical analysis of its characters and themes.

Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

Okay. Can we talk about David Eigenberg for a second? Because this is the first episode we see him incred from even the first episode, which I had not remembered at all. The man the myth of Viagra is when Steve shows up.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh.

[Kristin Davis]

In the second season. Oh, yes. I didn't remember that at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you get right away that Miranda has been really hurt.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. Yeah. Her pain and her anger.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Why is she being so mean? She's really been hurt before.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, most definitely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Let it let down her guard.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So adorable.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, so adorable, you know, and.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He'S like, you know, just so, like, hopeful, and it's so sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It is. It really. I was really amazed. I don't really remember, like, him coming and I don't remember. I don't know if we knew that he was going to turn out to be, like, this incredible relationship for her, but he comes on so vividly immediately. You know, he's immediately so amazing. And the way that he is with her, because she does really have the wall going, like, big time. But it is really obvious, once they kind of get into it, she's so.

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[Cynthia Nixon]

It could. I think I cried the first time because it was so relatable in that, you know, once you've been so hurt and you just want to protect yourself.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the way that she did that scene, you know, when she saw it was like when Mr. Big comes down and she was like. She really never expected that in her mind, he was just another man that was going to let you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

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[Cynthia Nixon]

It was so, like, the revelation that came across her face was so, I don't know, sweet. You understood. And then the way she ran out after him and grabbed in the rain.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so good. It's so good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's like classic. Classic.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So classic. And I had not remembered any of it. That's the joy of rewatching is that sometimes I'm just getting to be a fan, you know, I love it. But let's get into one thing that happens before that, which I had also forgotten and I was kind of shocked by. So, yes, Miranda, when we start, we're talking about the myths of relationships. And so there's a really interesting. We don't have our coffee shop set built, right? So we're out in a restaurant in the world talking about. I'm saying a friend of my friend was having an affair with this guy who was married, and then the guy left her. Her friend friend and actually married the girl. And now they're happy with two kids and he's a great husband. And they're all like, no, that's an urban myth. That didn't happen. And I'm like, no, it did. It's my friend and my friend. And they're like, no, that's. You don't even know her. You know, and then I. I love that because there are so many kind of tropes that we have in our mind of like, well, one, this could happen or that could happen. I heard of it once, you know, like that. And of course, Charlotte is the one who believes in it, but Miranda's like, no. You know, she adamant. And then they show her going on a date to the comedy club. I don't know if you remember this part.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God, I hated that comedian.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? The comedian and the dude, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, and her date got what he deserved.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. So let's just remind everybody what happens, because it is also really interesting this particular week in the culture of now having a kind of interesting thing similar to this. So Miranda's at this very small comedy club. Is it the Comedy Cellar? I don't know. But there's, like, no one there. And there's a very obnoxious, like, kind of alpha male comedian up there telling just like, I don't know, they're bad, not funny, mean jokes. And she's sitting with this guy, and we hear Carrie voiceover. And I feel like he's a lawyer, investment banker or something like that. And he said, either they're. They're kind of bonding over the fact that the comedy is so bad. So this guy seems like he might be okay. And then he says, you know, I'm going to get up and go to the. To the men's room. And the phone, he leaves his phone on the table. The phone starts ringing, and this obnoxious comedian is like, hey, Red, you know, answer your phone. And she's like, oh, God, they're looking at me. She's like, it's not my phone. And he says, answer the phone and say. He's, like, really aggressive. So she picks up the phone and she says, alan Miller's phone. And she says, I'm his date. Who is this? And then you just see her face kind of go blank. And then the comedian is like, what's going on? And comes and grabs the phone. Exact. Grabs that phone and finds out that it is the date's wife on the phone. And basically outs Samantha and the man for being on the date. Not unlike the Coldplay situation that we're living through right now. And so then the guy comes back from the bathroom and walks into this drama of his personal life being, you know, a mess. And I believe he picks up the phone and says, hi, honey. Like a fool. You know what I mean? And then Miranda leaves, of course. So it's like we already know from the past show that Miranda has kind of been through it. And then this particular thing is like just salt in the wound, you know, that all men are awful and that she hates them all. At which point she meets Eigenberg. But I was struck by the fact that, you know, the cheating thing, it just goes on and on and on, and it doesn't seem to change. Like, what. What's wrong with people? Maybe we shouldn't get married. I don't know. You know?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, it's. I don't know. You know, I always say I have. I have my mom and dad as proof that it is possible. You know, they were so great together. Their love could light up a room. And they. Yeah, they never had, like, a sip of wine if they were, you know, separated from each other without at least reaching their fingers across to each other and touching them.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, that's amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

If they couldn't kiss each other. And so it is possible, but I don't know, it just seems in this world today that there's so much temptation. Or not enough. Not enough. What's the word I'm looking for? Like a guy with a strong character fiber. Like honor.

[Kristin Davis]

Honor.

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[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, let's not. Let's not.

[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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I think. Yes. I think that culturally, it seems that. That. That men are confused. You know, younger men seem confused about who they're supposed to be. Right. And that's sad. I feel like that's sad. And I'm hoping that we're going to kind of come out the other side of that at some point. But I also want to mention, especially in the Coldplay situation, there's also a married woman involved there. Right. So, like, to me, it makes me wonder, like, are we.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Is.

[Kristin Davis]

Is marriage like an outmoded construction that we have created? Which is not to say that there can't be happy ones, obviously, you know, but. But in the world that we're living in today, where everyone's so, like, trying so hard to do so many things and there's probably a lack of connection in so many ways. Right. And maybe hard to keep that connection going. I'm no expert by any means, but, like, it takes so much work, you know, to keep. To keep a connection to, like, take care of that connection.

[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

Right. Honesty, like, honesty.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That way if you don't, you know, if you're getting bored or whatever, you can get out of it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Out all the lawyers and the right, you know, drama, all that stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah. And so much pain. I feel so bad for, you know, women and men, really, you know, like, when. Because I do feel like society sets you up to think, like, Charlotte, you know, Charlotte is obviously so marriage focused, and I'm not, but she was. And so I really tried to channel that because we are brought up to believe that that's what will bring us happiness.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

That that's what we should do and that that will make us happy. And one of the things I love so much about Charlotte's whole journey was that, yeah, obviously when we meet her, she's like that. She just starts like that, you know, that she was brought up in Connecticut, and she wants to have these things, and she wants to be a mother and all the beautiful things. And then she tries and tries and tries and tries and tries. Eventually, she meets Trey, and it looks perfect, but then it isn't, which was great. And then, of course, we know she meets Harry. Doesn't look what she wants it to look, but it is the connection that she wants.

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[Kristin Davis]

Worked out over time, and they raised the children together, and I think they're a wonderful partnership. But I also think that, you know, Charlotte is, like, number one, a very hard worker. Right. Like, she's gonna work at that thing. You know, she's, like, super hyper focused on that thing. And luckily, Harry is just, like, a great, great guy who, you know, supports.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Her, goes along with it.

[Kristin Davis]

Goes along. Yes. And I feel like that's one thing. And. Yeah. Like, he's. Yeah. Like, it's an interesting dynamic. And, of course, they're fictional, which I have to remember, but it's interesting to think about the things that make it work. And I feel like some of it is luck in terms of where you are in your life when you choose.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And then I also think a lot of it is, like, the amount of work that you and the other person have to put in, because it can't just be one person doing the work.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I feel like that's sometimes off.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, absolutely.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know why I went down this road, but it was. I mean, partly because watching the scene with the comedy, the guy, the awful, mean comedian, it really. I was like, this is so much like this Coldplay business. I was amazed. And it's almost 30 years ago. You know, it's interesting to me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The memes for the Coldplay thing are hilarious.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, beyond. Beyond. I feel bad for those people. Those are real people or whatever, the.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Meme from that show.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally, totally, totally. All right, let's go back to Eigenberg for a second, because I do also, because here we are. She's. Miranda has been through so much, as we know, and she's at the bar of a restaurant waiting for Carrie, who stands her up because Big wants to make her dinner. Oh, that hurt me watching that. I mean, on the one hand, yes, Big is on, like, a different level of charming in this episode, you know, so I get that part. But I also feel like, Carrie, that's not cool. You shouldn't stand Miranda up.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I do think that she was on a bit of a. She's just been called his girlfriend, which means Everything to her.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So she's like, I. I can understand, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I can understand. Yes. But I also don't think it's cool.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you know what I mean? And I feel like. I feel like the interesting thing with Carrie is, like, she doesn't. She's got odd boundaries. You know what I mean? Like, they come and go kind of. You know what I mean? So. And she kind of puts up with a bunch of frustrations from Big. But then he sings to her in a restaurant, calls her his girlfriend. Of course, she's beaming. And it is so charming.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And the chemistry is so intense between them, but yet she is still holding in so much. And she does have all these hopes. And, you know, it's that thing where. Of course, the second. Where she's like, will you go to dinner with my girlfriends? And he's like, yeah. I'm like, oh, he said that too quick. And you're waiting for the. The other shoe did drop. Of course. And it does happen. It does happen. But one of the things I love about this particular episode and one of the things I've been rediscovering watching the show is the relationship between Miranda and Carrie and kind of the ongoing arc of it and how they are so deeply attached, but also they have the most kind of open conflict of any of us. You know, Like, Miranda will disagree and tell her, like, you're wrong. You're messed up. But also, that's who she will go to, you know, for, you know, to lean on. And who Carrie will go to. Miranda to lean on. It's so interesting. And they have one of their walk and talks, which always are one of my more favorite things. Oh, but also Samantha. Samantha and Carrie have a walk and talk, which I love so much. Cause it's on. I think they're on Central Park. They might be on Park Avenue. Wait, no, they're on Fifth Avenue. And they're walking down. So it's like, you know, the trees are blooming. It's so beautiful. Like, the beautiful. This spring in New York, you know, just so. The best time ever. My favorite time. And they're walking and talking about the. The older man. And, you know, Carrie is like, do you have any age limit? She's like, I don't know. You know, it's all very interesting. And I don't know if we would do that same scene now. It seems like it might. Might not be cool.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I think things changed. Have changed a lot since then. Yeah. And I think it is more sort of frowned on. But I don't know, I think that there's still a lot of that going on.

[Kristin Davis]

So true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know?

[Kristin Davis]

So true. So true. I mean it's interesting because I feel like we, I do think that that was supposed to be the comedic storyline. Right. Because we do kind of have drama happen with Miranda and drama happening with Carrie. And so then also I have my storyline which we haven't even mentioned.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You are so romantic like you, your notions are just cannot be crushed. Cannot you cannot be.

[Kristin Davis]

So true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You are going to believe in love if it's the last thing you do is true.

[Kristin Davis]

Christine.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Convince everybody else that if you just believe in love and, and it's going out and it will happen.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And look, I mean part of me, I don't think that's wrong.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think it's true.

[Kristin Davis]

I do too. But sometimes when I'm watching Charlotte myself, whatever I am thinking like I'm worried for her, you know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But maybe that's because I'm me and not her. And also because I'm at this age rather than that age. You know what I mean? Because it is definitely. She's just so open.

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[Kristin Davis]

Shut up.

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[Cynthia Nixon]

Could you like chill for a sec?

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[Kristin Davis]

You got it dude.

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

I'm going to be using my own discount. You guys, I'm so excited. So let's just talk about the big thing, because I love it so much. You know, they set it up so beautifully where, you know, he's singing to her, and then he makes her dinner, and it is literally her dream. Like, she is living her dream that she has wanted from him from this whole time since she met him. And then she does stand Miranda up. But, you know, you can understand, as you said, you can get why. And then she asks him, will you come to dinner with my girlfriend? And he says, yes. You see her walking down the hall in this incredible dress. I mean, it's like, you know, just. Just. She looks just like. It blows your mind. And he opens the door, and he's not dressed, and you're just crushed. Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Her face is the disappointment that she registered so perfectly.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. She's so good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, she just really wanted that.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so awesome to show him off.

[Cynthia Nixon]

To her friends so badly. And, you know, that was so important to her.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And then he's not even dressed, and then he says, I don't want to go because it's gonna rain and you've.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Got your friends anyway, right?

[Kristin Davis]

You don't need me. He doesn't get it at all. And she's really so devastated. But as we will see, he's not as dense as he seems right that moment. Thank God. But then she goes to the restaurant, and this also kind of kills me. We're all there, and she can't tell us that he's not coming. She doesn't want to tell us. So she says. She says something like, I don't know. He's still at work, so she's trying to, like, prepare.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She can't say the word.

[Kristin Davis]

She can't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The disappointment was too great. She couldn't. She couldn't Say it out loud. It was something. She was hoping that maybe it would just sort of fizzle the whole thing. Like, well, now I gotta leave. I gotta, you know, go and.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. It just really makes me sad to address it. Oh, God, it really makes me sad.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, me too.

[Kristin Davis]

But it makes it so much better when it. When it. Because. And so, yes, Charlotte is there, like, so hopeful and, you know, everything's great. And poor Steve is, like, bringing them all drinks. I know. And Miranda's all mad because now she thinks Big's not coming.

[Advertiser]

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[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Saying that thing about, you know, oh, I guess I'll just slept with too many bartenders. And he was like, okay, here's some money and I'm out of here.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, it's rough.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's hard on him. She's always hard on him.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And now we know where it all ends. So it kind of hurts even more somehow, you know? I mean, I know they've had good times. And of course, when they go out. So wait, let's not jump ahead. We'll go there in a second. So we're there. Charlotte, of course, super, like, puppy dog doesn't have any vibes that anything's bad. Do you know what I mean, though? Obviously looking at Steve, like, why are you being so mean to him? You know? And then everyone's sitting there and Carrie's like, you know, trying to figure out how she's gonna break it to us that Big's not coming. I think we hear in her voiceover where she says, I couldn't. I didn't have the heart to tell them, you know, so I pretended I didn't know or whatever. At which point we go into Slow Mo, which is so fantastic. And I say, there he is. I say, of course he's gonna come. And there he is. And everyone turns. And as you said, Cynthia plays it just so beautifully because it means as much to her, in a way, as it does to Carrie, that there is hope.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There is hope.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really good.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So good. Both of them. So good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really, really good episode.

[Kristin Davis]

It's such a great episode that I had no memory of. Right? And then, so we have this incredible slow mo moment of Big is coming down the stairs towards us. Miranda is having this epiphany that maybe things could possibly work out. Carrie is having an epiphany that maybe her dreams are not crushed again. You know, maybe they can live and exist. Right? Maybe he can step up to the plate. And then Miranda very smartly says, I'll be right back, and goes out into the pouring rain. It's a very cinematic moment. I think it's one of our kind of early cinematic moments. Right. Cause this is only season two. And they kiss in the rain. And when they kiss in the rain, All I could think of was them kissing on the Brooklyn bridge in the movie. Do you remember that?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Such a great through line, you know, to see, like, the little details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It's beautiful. It's beautiful. And Eigenberg is just so great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, he is. His vulnerability is always right there.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He's such a great actor.

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[Cynthia Nixon]

But you never think of him as an actor. He just like a seamless, real person. It isn't. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And I mean, I think in some ways, I took him for granted because I didn't really have an objective viewpoint of, like, just his incredible work. And, I mean, the writing also. Just so beautiful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So good. And he just has a way of getting in between her different walls that she's erecting as they're going. You know what I'm saying? She's just so busy trying to block him, and he's just finding. Funny, charming. Funny, charming, smart, you know, different ways to get in there. And. Oh, my gosh, you just love him so much. So much. I'm just so happy. It makes me so happy that they wrote him. You know, I'm like, re experiencing these things that I took for granted over time, you know? And also, he's just the opposite of big in so many ways.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. But it works. Yes. He's. He is vulnerable. He is approachable. He is, you know, giving. Constantly thinking. He's thoughtful. He's always thinking of what she might need, what's. How he can help, how he can make her happy.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. But he's not a doormat in any way. That's what is so amazing. Right. Like, it's not easy to write that kind of male character and not easy to play it either. But, like, he has such a strong core.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, yeah. Like, one episode when he did ask for something for himself, he was always giving for her. And one episode, he asks her, I'm gonna cry. He asked her to come watch him play basketball.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she didn't show up. You know, and then. And then he says it. And then at the end of that episode, it wasn't in this episode, but he's out there, and she does show up. Remember, he was. He had to hit the hoop. He was going to win, like, a million dollars or something.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But that one shot in And. And sure enough, she was there. He didn't get it, but he didn't care anymore because she came. It was worth a million bucks to him.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my gosh. I can't wait to rewatch that one. I only vaguely remember it, but, I mean, it's incredible. It's incredible.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The future occurs.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And just, I mean, I think a lot of that is the testament to the writing, you know, that we can still all this time later have such a strong, like, relationship to these characters and emotional reaction.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It's just. It's a beautiful thing, and I'm just.

[Advertiser]

So lucky to be a part of it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. Oh, I mean, yeah, we're. We're the lucky ones that you've all, you know, done these. These. This show for so many years that have kept us all entertained and talking and thinking and, you know, you can really discuss every episode like this and delve in, and it's still topical. Some. Some episodes we go, wow, that is. Has aged, you know, of course. Yeah, yeah. But it's interesting then.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes, we were.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And where we are.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

All good, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We're really the recipients of the, you know, the gift.

[Kristin Davis]

So I think we all are. I mean, we love doing it as, you know, we love it so much. And I mean, you know, we love each other so much. So it's an amazing, creative, you know, situation to be able to be in. And the gift of the fact that the inception of the show and the writing and the execution of the show have, you know, withstood the test of time is a gift to us as well. And that's from the fans, you know, and now I kind of get to be both rewatching it, which is. Right. Really, really fun. Let me ask you your question. Should I read your book or should I listen to your book?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, well, I've gotten really great feedback on the book.

[Kristin Davis]

I kind of wanted to listen, you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Know, during the, you know, when you.

[Kristin Davis]

You.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You write a book, and then when you go, okay, it's done. Then it goes to lawyers, and the lawyers have to change certain things and. And you reread. And the people that correct grammar or whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

Sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then you reread it and you go, no, I said it grammatically incorrect like that to stress. Keep it. You put it back or you change, you know, and it goes through a couple things. Well, I didn't read my third pass. The third pass arrived, and Alexa's fiance picked it up, and he. He was my first reader.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He got so engrossed Picking it up because he knew it was, like, probably the last pass. And so I said, oh, you read it? And I just figured it wasn't going to happen. I said to my publishers, did you change a lot? No, it's tiny little things. So I said, okay, now I go to do the audiobook. And there were a couple things that I needed to correct. So I called publishers, I said, so what do I do? And she said, correct them. Just say it the way you want it, you know.

[Advertiser]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Where you want it. And in the second pressing, you know, if we. If we ever have a second pressing, then we'll do it your way. We took notes. So it's slightly. I mean, tiny things.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm. I'm a stickler for tiny things because somebody happens to know that that tiny thing wasn't exact. You know, like, there was a thing that said I had done Barbara Walters show, and then I went to present at the. At the Academy Awards.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they made it look like it was all in the same day, but it was actually the Barbara Walters Academy Award night special was on TV that day. Of course, it, you know, a month.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And. And then I was in LA for the awards. So it was one big, long day, though. So I. But if somebody happened to know, then they.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What are the other facts? Not factual.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And it's your life. You can correct it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. And also, I. I do this thing. I'm not even aware, but, like, if I'm talking like Billy, then I kind of have, like, a voice like Billy. I sort of get like a little a thing going on, you know, and. Or if it's like, you know, a police officer in New York City. I had, you know, a police officer came to because they thought I robbed, so there was a. There's voices.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I'm definitely listening. Amazing. Christy, you're such a good imitator. Oh, my gosh. That's excellent. I'm going to listen to your version.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, I think you'll enjoy it.

[Kristin Davis]

I can't wait.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It really depends on what year, if you drive a lot or whatever. You might like the audio.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do like to curl up with a good book. You like the book?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. They're both great. And congratulations. Absolutely. I'm so happy for you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, thank you.

[Advertiser]

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[Kristin Davis]

As someone who plays a character deeply.

[Advertiser]

Rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection blends creativity with wearability from soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless and so chic. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men too. Perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at agjeans.com and use code KRISTEN15 for 15% off your next order.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm going to be using my own discount. You guys. I'm so excited.

[Advertiser]

This summer Disney is going retro for real with all of your Disney and Hulu throwback faves.

[Kristin Davis]

Shut up.

[Advertiser]

Hit endless rewind on Disney with the Princess diaries, the Lizzie McGuire Movie and Freaky Friday.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Could you like chill for a sec?

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Then with Hulu Throw it back with Gilmore Girls, One Tree Hill and Full House.

[Kristin Davis]

You got it dude.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I wanna feel it.

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[Kristin Davis]

Hull up.

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[Martine Hackett]

Untold Stories Life with a severe autoimmune condition, A production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenics, is back with Season four. Join me, Martine Hackett as we explore the realities of life with myasthenia gravis or MG and chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy, or cidp. We'll uncover the stories of resilience and self advocacy in the face of uncertainty. From overcoming misdiagnosis to finding empowerment in small victories, these are moments that change us. Here's a glimpse of what's in store.

[Podcast Host]

Whenever I go to my specialist, he mentions the R word Remission. Is it possible? Like, is it over? But also knowing it's never really over, but just being able to say, hey there, there's light at the end of the tunnel. Stay the course. Don't give up on yourself. Every single person living with the office autoimmune illness has a life worth living, and it's up to you to define that, to capture that, and to go guns blazing.

[Martine Hackett]

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