Tantric Sex with Rachel Dratch... (S2 E16 "Was It Good For You?")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

S2E16: "Tantric Sex with Rachel Dratch..." ("Was It Good For You?")

Host: Kristin Davis
Date: October 2, 2025
Guest: Jonathan Goldstein

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Are You A Charlotte?, Kristin Davis is joined by Jonathan Goldstein to reflect on “Was It Good For You?”, a classic Sex and the City episode that foregrounds questions about sexual performance, intimacy, insecurity, and self-discovery—both in the show's original 1997 context and in the present. The conversation weaves together behind-the-scenes reflections, personal anecdotes about sobriety, generational shifts in discussing sexuality, and the enduring relatability of the main characters' journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Carrie's Storyline: Sobriety, Sex, and Vulnerability

• Carrie meets Patrick Casey, a “cute smoker guy” who accidentally burns her with a cigarette, kicking off a classic rom-com encounter. Kristin finds him unforgettable but admits she "remember[s] zero. Absolutely zero. And this guy. I don't remember this guy, but he's incredible." (04:00)
• Smoking then vs. now: Kristin reflects on changing social norms around smoking. Her daughter sees someone smoking and reacts with dismay, contrasting with Kristin's memory of the “rite of passage” that smoking once was for her generation. (04:00–05:10)
• Sexual Performance Anxiety: The core question: “Are we good in bed?”—and does it even matter? Kristin and Jonathan dig into how the episode’s tone is unusually relatable, "more real than a lot" of others. (03:34)
• Carrie’s insecurity when Patrick doesn’t call her: She wonders if she’s unattractive, "which of course is very unlike Carrie.” (19:12–19:50)
• Patrick’s Backstory: He’s in recovery and not dating per his sponsor’s advice for a year ("I've only been in the program 11 months. And my sponsor told me I cannot date till it’s been a year.”) Kristin appreciates the accuracy: “I've been on both sides of this situation... Having to try not to date, which is so hard when you’re young, you’re trying to get sober.” (20:20–21:00)
• First sober sex: Patrick confesses he’s never had sex sober and is scared—linking back to the episode’s central question about performance and how sobriety impacts intimacy. (22:16–22:45)

2. Charlotte's Arc: Empowerment Through Tantric Sex

• Charlotte’s concern: Struggling with the question of being “good in bed,” Charlotte attends a tantric sex class and, feeling empowered, tries out “lingam massage” with her partner. Kristin celebrates Charlotte’s agency: “To feel empowered, I think, is the important thing in whatever it is you wanna do.” (15:54)
• Generational contrast: Kristin wonders how “young people” experience conversations around sexual performance today compared to the ‘90s. She points to the normalization of explicit sex talk on modern podcasts like “Call Her Daddy,” run by Alex Cooper:
  • "If Carrie and Samantha had a baby, it would be Alex." (08:12)
  • She lauds the “in-depth direction” and sex positivity of today’s young women, in contrast to the taboo-shattering but still reserved tone of Sex and the City in the 1990s.

3. Intergenerational Attitudes Toward Sex and Intimacy

• Relating then and now: Jonathan quips, “Your show was kind of the thing. Like your show was the version of [‘Call Her Daddy’] we had...” Kristin agrees: “For better or worse.” (10:02–10:14)
• Empowering conversations: Both hosts support the idea that frankness about sex can be healthy and liberating, reflecting gratefully on their show’s impact.

4. Addiction, Relationships, and Boundaries

• Addiction’s “Transfer”: Kristin explains how newly sober individuals sometimes transfer addictive feelings onto relationships: “The thrill of a flirtation, the thrill of a new relationship… very much an addiction type of situation.” (20:58)
• Carrie’s boundary: Despite rapid emotional escalation (Patrick confesses love after only a week and a half), Carrie firmly asks for some space—a moment Kristin finds unusually mature for TV depictions of romance. (33:25–34:10)
  • Jonathan: “She recognized it and laid down a boundary instead of… hooking onto the drama train and the crazy train.” (33:41)

5. Cultural Details and Humorous Moments

• Buying expensive sheets: A comic aside on Miranda’s peach-colored sheets leads to a tangent about self-care and little luxuries (“It’s a rite of passage to go buy expensive sheets!”). (17:54–18:14)
• Carrie’s ‘sexy’ scenes: Kristin reveals Sarah Jessica Parker’s aversion to on-screen nudity, resulting in creative filming choices. (23:14)
• Addictive personalities: Kristin self-reflects on her own sobriety and addiction’s many forms (“Chocolate’s a good addiction, you know what I mean?”) (24:43)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

On Generational Change in Sex Talk

• Kristin Davis:
  “For us in the 90s, right, there was… No one was talking about this stuff in a public [way]… Your show was kind of the thing. Like your show was the version of [‘Call Her Daddy’] we had.” (10:02)

On Addiction and Vulnerability

• Kristin Davis: “Having to try not to date, which is so hard when you’re young, you’re trying to get sober. You just want some comfort or some fun.” (20:20)

On Setting Boundaries and Maturity

• Jonathan Goldstein: “I thought that was kind of interesting that she recognized it and laid down a boundary instead of going, like, hooking onto the drama train and the crazy train.” (33:41)
• Kristin Davis:
  “I 100% would have gone down there to help that guy.” (34:09)

On Tantric Sex and Charlotte’s Empowerment

• Kristin Davis:
  “To feel empowered, I think, is the important thing in whatever it is you wanna do. Right, Right.” (15:54)

On What It Means To Be "Good In Bed"

• Kristin Davis:
  “What even is good in bed? Like, good in bed is very, very subjective. You know what I’m saying?” (32:09)

On Relating to Charlotte

• Jonathan Goldstein:
  “I just relate to the person that's Kind of like, what? What'd you do? You know, like that kind of thing.” (36:14)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:20 – Carrie’s relatable storyline and the theme of sobriety.
• 04:00–05:10 – Nostalgia and reflections on smoking culture then vs. now.
• 06:29 – The central question: sexual performance (“Are you good in bed?”).
• 08:00–09:34 – Kristin discusses Alex Cooper and modern sex-positive podcasts.
• 15:11–15:54 – Charlotte’s tantric sex class, empowerment through learning.
• 19:12–21:00 – Patrick’s recovery, dating, and early sobriety.
• 22:16–22:45 – First sober sex; Patrick’s vulnerability.
• 23:14 – Behind the filming of Carrie’s sex scene.
• 24:34–24:43 – The “addict sees the addict;” relationship as addiction.
• 29:21–30:34 – Patrick’s emotional crash, relapse, and making amends.
• 33:25–34:10 – Carrie’s maturity in laying down boundaries.

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Final Thoughts

The episode captures a nuanced and heartfelt discussion about evolving views on sex and intimacy, both on- and off-screen. Kristin and Jonathan deftly balance nostalgia, humor, and candid self-reflection, highlighting the ongoing value of honest conversations around desire, agency, and personal growth. Charlotte’s journey through tantric sex is celebrated as an empowering moment, Carrie's storyline as a rare and “real” depiction of the complexities of dating while sober and the nature of addiction. Throughout, the hosts underscore that what makes someone “good in bed”—or a “Charlotte”—is not a fixed ideal, but a journey of self-understanding and being true to oneself, both in and out of the bedroom.

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Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are youe a Charlotte? Part 2. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Now we're gonna get to my favorite, favorite storyline of the whole thing. Partly because I'm sober. I've been sober a very long time. This Carrie storyline.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh, I thought actually. Well, you go ahead, but you. Okay. I was gonna say this storyline felt like more real than a lot. Not that the other ones are, but this felt like very relatable. So relatable and more than the usual.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm with you.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Usually it's a little more, like, salacious or, like, extreme. And this was, like, something. Most people have been through this story 100%.

[Kristin Davis]

And I loved it so much. So much. And I remember zero. Absolutely zero. And this guy. I don't remember this guy, but he's incredible. That guy is so good. We're gonna figure out his name. Okay, so this is Carrie's storyline, you guys. And if you haven't seen this episode, you need to watch it only for Carrie's storyline, if for nothing else. So this is the episode. Was it good for you? And basically, so this is the one thing that I love as well. You know, Carrie smokes back in the day, right? And later on, too. But, you know, this is funny because now no one smokes. No one gets to smoke now in film and tv, basically, which is a very interesting thing. My kids think smoking is like. Like anyone who has a cigarette. I mean, we drove by the other day, someone who had their arm out of a car with a cigarette, and my daughter was like, oh, no. Like, she thought, like, a fire was gonna start. Like, they have such a fascinating reaction. And I'm like, yeah, they're terrible. Cigarettes are terrible. Cause of course, I don't want my kids to smoke, right? But it is just funny. Like, it was a rite of passage in a way, for us to have the little smoking phase. Don't tell my mother I said that. If you're listening, Mom. I never had a smoking phase. And really, when I smoked, it was when I was in college, and we would come into the city and we would go to Village Cigars. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was really fun. And I would get, like, those French cigarettes that are wrapped in different colorful papers. Do you know what I mean?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

That's how you getcha.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, exactly. Right? Like the colorful papers. They were cool. And. And then we would go and sit on some stranger's stoop, which is all very funny, ending up where I did, you know, filming a show on a stoop in the Village. And we would sit and smoke. I would try to smoke, and they would laugh. I was the comic. I could not pull it off. Could not pull it off. So thank God I am not a smoker in Sex and the City or. And just like that. Thank God. But Carrie is. So Carrie's walking down the street, and this handsome guy has his back to her. He's standing, leaning on a building and. And he finishes a cigarette and flicks it and it hits Carrie and she's like, ow. And she's really, like, peeved, you know, which is funny since she is also a smoker.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But it burned her, you know, it hits her arm and he. He's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And, you know, did it leave a mark? Well, also, he's very cute, right? So this cute smoker guy has, you know, thrown a cigarette at her inadvertently on a Village street in the summer. I mean, it's pretty fantastic, right? These are the days. These are the days. So she decides that he's cute. Let's see. What is this guy's name? Oh, Patrick Casey. Yes, Patrick Casey. She says his name a lot, too, which is interesting.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. She seems fond of his name. This is an important central question of the show, this particular episode. Your performance in bed, not your Rachel's. This is so. You know, how. How, Charlotte, you know the guy sleeping.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

When they're theoretically having sex, then we go to the coffee shop, and I'm like, you know. You know, and everybody has their different, like, two cents to say about, you know, like, whether.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Like, are you good in bed?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

How do you know all that? Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right. And it is an interesting question. And I wonder now, in the days of Raya and whatnot, where apparently people sexed and. Or engage in, I don't know, some kind of very sexual flirtation early on, as opposed to the olden days where it might have taken a while. Right. I wonder what the young people feel about performance. Do you know what I mean?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

What do you mean? Like, the young people.

[Kristin Davis]

I wonder if they worry about it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh. Oh. I don't talk to many young people, especially in my research, their sex lives.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

But this is your job.

[Kristin Davis]

It is my job now. It is my job Now I'm not really. Let me ask you this question. Have you ever listened to the Call Her Daddy podcast?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

No. Let me tell you, that makes God like that.

[Kristin Davis]

No. I mean, you're a bit of an outlier. I mean.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I mean, I heard of it, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

So this woman, Alex Cooper.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Fascinating individual. Okay. An incredible interviewer.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

But one of the things, she's extremely sex positive.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I've heard that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. She's like, in my mind, if Carrie and Samantha had a baby, it would be Alex.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Because she has the carry. Like, I'm gonna understand it. I'm gonna get to the bottom of it. But then she has the Samantha sex positive. You know, just like non judgmental. Like, let's get in there, let's talk it through. So one of the things that she did, and I have not listened to this actual episode, I feel I should just from a female perspective, she gives, like, very specific instructions on how to give a good. And I mean specific. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Yes. They're all nodding. They know. They know. So it's like, it's in depth. Okay. Like, in depth direction.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Like the tantric sex class you guys watched in your episode.

[Kristin Davis]

More so. More so. Even like, more so.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

All right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I know. So that reminded me of the young people and their performance. Right. So I do think that, like, the kind of, you know, the normalizing of talking about sex and talking about specifics and, you know, like, what are you into? What are you not into? And empowering everybody. Like, don't do things you're not into. Like, she's like that. She's not saying, you know, let him pressure you or anything. She's very empowering.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is great. And I mean, she's really my main. My main, like, viewpoint into the young ladies.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Kristin Davis]

Perspective. Right. She's out there. Okay. And I love her for it. I think it's like she's providing a service.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, so she's what I thought of when I was watching this because I feel for us in the 90s, right. There was. No one was talking about this stuff in a public.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I mean, your show was kind of the thing. Like your show was the version of that we had the more. Yeah, yeah. Introversion to the present day.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. For better or worse.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Call her.

[Kristin Davis]

Call her daddy.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Call her Daddy. Sorry, cut that. I forgot the name of the thing.

[Kristin Davis]

That's quite. All right.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Well.

[Kristin Davis]

Cause it's confusing if you haven't listened to it. It's basically. She's kind of taking on the power of like, I'm your daddy. Don't call them daddy. I'm your daddy, I think. Yes. Okay, then, cut.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, I mean, it's scary, but I feel like Sex and the City back then was the like, you know, opening all these topics that like, you know, no topic was too embarrassing or whatever. Taboo or whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And that's what was made it take off so much. Yes, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I'm so thankful that we were there to do it. You know what I mean? And I feel like it's a good thing for people to talk about sex and the specifics because, I mean, it's a very relatable situation that doesn't serve anyone to be just hidden under rocks. You know what I'm saying? Right?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

So that's part of what I thought about with this particular storyline of, you know, are we good in bed? Are we bad in bed? Does it matter? Does it not matter? Like, for Charlotte, it definitely, definitely matters. Right? And so then she goes to the thing that she finds that's helpful, which is this tantric sex class. And at the end, I left this out. At the end, you see her performing this tantric sex lingam massage on the guy. And it's going really well. Do you remember that there's a final little scene. Oh, my God.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

It's, you know, below the camera. Thank goodness.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

You don't see.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, you just.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

No, I mean, I'm trying to remember if I saw. Anyway, whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

He's like, ah, you're so good. You know, whatever. And she feels empowered, like Charlotte feels empowered.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay, Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, this is what's important, right? To feel empowered, I think, is the important thing in whatever it is you wanna do. Right, Right. So anyway, back to Carrie. So I love this storyline so, so much. So she meets this very cute guy. First she wonders about, you know, she's writing and she's like, I wonder, you know, she does that and then they talk about, you know, performance, blah, blah, blah. Then she's walking down the street, she meets Patrick Casey and they flirt, they go to coffee. We find out that he's a movie music composer, which is also interesting. I'm like, hmm, who is this based on? We need to know. We need to know. And then she does something that's also so cute. So they're having coffee after he's, you know, burned her, and then she's leaving. And she thinks to herself, how many smoking cute guys, single cute guys are left in Manhattan? Maybe seven, I think she says, which is funny. So she goes back and gives him her number. She's like, I never do this. But she gives him her number. Because of course, back then it wasn't this common, common thing of like everyone with their cell phones. Take the. I think she writes it in.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

In a real old fashioned pen, right?

[Kristin Davis]

With a pen. I think. Oh, no. Maybe she types it in his little, little pager looking thing. I can't remember. Something old fashioned. So then. But do, do, do. Then he doesn't call her, right? And she trips out, which I also thought was funny. Like Carrie of such confidence with, you know, men. You know what I'm saying? Like men. And then, so she's talking to Miranda. This is when Miranda tells her about her beautiful sheets that she spent so much money on. Which I also remember it's kind of a. Like a rite of passage to go buy expensive sheets.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Did you ever do this?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I don't think I did.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I know. I don't think I went like. You didn't have like the fancy like that? No. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Maybe I should.

[Kristin Davis]

It's one of my things. I don't know if it's worth it. Oh, I love ABC Carpet. I order ABC Carpet in la, man. I'm like, ABC Carpet has the good stuff.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

The good stuff that's like, this is how royalty lives. Like when you go over their sheets, I'm like $500 for one sheet. I mean, that's not really my style.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

But anyway, again, I'm off on a tangent.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

No, I love a tangent Go ahead, go ahead.

[Kristin Davis]

Miranda, she gets beautiful peach colored sheets, which seems odd, okay? Like, Miranda buys peach. Strange to me, but whatever. She buys peach. And she's talking about how there's no action in her bed, so she's gonna make her bed beautiful and maybe they will come. And Carrie says, like Field of Dreams, if you build it, they will come. This dude, what is his name? The real dude, the Patrick Casey, his name is Richard Joseph Paul. Okay? Is that not confusing? How many first names can you have? His name is Richard Joseph Paul. I don't know where he is now. I wish I looked it up afterwards because my God, he is so good.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

He was very good.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, so good. So he doesn't call Carrie. Carrie trips out and thinks that she is somehow unattractive and misread him. Which of course is very unlike Carrie, right? And Miranda's like, what are you tripping out for? You know? Calm down. Like how she is. Then carries back out on the street in the Village on a Saturday, she sees him again, smoking on the street corner with a handsome guy. Another handsome guy, right? So she decides maybe he's gay right now, maybe that's not fair, but there's some two cute guys in the Village.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

We've all been there.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, we really have, right? So she sees him, she decides to walk up to him. He seems a little strange, like uncomfortable. And she's like, well, okay, you know. And she kind of walks off. He chases. He runs after her. And he says, carrie, I'm sorry I didn't introduce you to my friend. You know, I'm an alcoholic. We're waiting for our meeting to start. Which, of course, now it all makes sense. This is what people do. They stand outside the meeting. They smoke cigarettes and eat candy and drink coffee. This is what you do, you know, being an alcoholic. This is what you do when you're in the program, right?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And she's like, oh, you know, I thought you were gay. And he's like, I'm not gay. And I didn't call you because I've only been in the program 11 months. And my sponsor told me I cannot date till it's been a year. Which is a very, very real thing. I've been on both sides of this situation, right? My own self, having to try not to date, which is so hard when you're young, you're trying to get sober. You just want some comfort or some fun. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you really want to date. And also, it is very much an addiction type Of a situation. Right. Like the thrill of a flirtation, the thrill of a new relationship.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So understandable that addicts would want to transfer that energy over to another person. So then he goes. Then he goes. Well, it's only a few weeks until it's been a month. Right. Let's go out. Because he's hemming and hawing in his own head, you know, so relatable and so real. That guy's so good. And Carrie doesn't really know about this that much, it seems like. Right. Which is interesting. And I do feel like back then people were not as aware of what happens in a 12 step program. Maybe so much. So they go out. The scene that I love the most. There's a lot of good scenes, but the scene that I love the most. So she goes out on many, like coffee and then dinner, and she tries to kiss him on her stoop. And I mean, how this guy doesn't kiss her, I don't even know. It's a lot. She puts the full court press on and he somehow just gets out stone faced, walks away.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, Stone faced, walks away. And she does this really funny thing on this tube. She goes like, oh, yeah.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

She's like, what?

[Kristin Davis]

What am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong? And listen. Okay, Carrie, we feel you. Because I would kiss you. I mean, my God. Right? Like she's.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

It was definitely a movie moment. Ready to go?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, big time. Big time. Beautiful, you know, village nighttime. So evocative. So finally she says something like, wait, did she just go and grab and kiss him? And then he says something like, he's never had sex sober and he's scared to do it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Because he doesn't know if he'll be any good. Connecting back to the performance question.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

It all weaves together.

[Kristin Davis]

Does it all weaves together? Which I think this is. We're just newly weaving it together in the show. It took a while for that to get going. Like how we think of it when we think of it in the past. So they go up there and they have sex and they have some kind. This is Sarah Jessica's sex scene. She does not like sex scenes. She does not like nudity. So they kind of pan across the apartment and you see his back. You don't even see her. She's hidden in the sheets. You assume she's there.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

She's not even been there for the shoot.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly, exactly. That's how she would like it. Okay, so then it goes really great. And he starts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

He's like, sex is amazing. And she's like, uh huh. And he goes, does everyone know this?

[Kristin Davis]

And he starts jumping up and down and it is so adorable and great. And I sometimes feel that, like, if you haven't had sex for a while and then you have sex, you're just like, oh, my God, it is amazing. I mean, theoretically. Theoretically it might not be, but then something else.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

You hope it is.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, you hope it is. And when it is, it really is. But then when it isn't, it's so sad. Right? Anyway, I'm on a tangent. So when that guy with the many names.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Thomas.

[Kristin Davis]

Thomas.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

John. Paul. No.

[Kristin Davis]

Paul.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, something like that. Richard. Joseph. Richard.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Joseph.

[Kristin Davis]

Paul.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Richard.

[Kristin Davis]

Joseph. Paul. I feel you when you jump on that bed. I really do. I was with you. And I think he's so relieved that he can enjoy sex without being high or stoned or drunk or whatever he says, right? So then he's like, let's do it again right there. Oh, the addict sees the addict. I was like, oh, we're going down a road. This is his addiction.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I like, the addict sees the addict. Oh, yeah, that's good.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah, you can. Yeah, you can totally see the addict.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's not to say it's not fun, right? I've been in many situations where I'm like, oh, this person has this addiction or that addiction or whatever. And then you're like, okay, I'm just waiting, waiting for it to be a problem. But you know what? I relate. I relate. I mean, I'm sober, thank God. But yeah, you can transfer to a lot, you know, Chocolate. Chocolate's a good addiction, you know what I mean? So basically, this adorable guy, Patrick Casey's his character name, they have a lot of sex. At one point, we cut to the. To the coffee shop and carrie's ordering like 12 orders. Now all of us are like, what's the problem? She's like, oh, we've just been, you know, just having so much sex. And Charlotte, of course, takes that personally because she's still living in the fact that she's bad in bed. Which I forgot to mention that Samantha also agrees on. Do you remember when they're walking down the street and she's like, look at her hips. There's no movement.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh, isn't that me? I forgot that one little line.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. No, they have a whole conversation about it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, now I'm remembering that.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm so excited.

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[Josh Clark]

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[Chris Pine]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

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[Vanessa Gregoriadis]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

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[Vanessa Gregoriadis]

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[Kristin Davis]

We go down the road with Carrie and the guy, and at a certain point, she kind of has like a light bulb moment, you know, that he's got a new addiction.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And she says to him, you know, I think that, you know, we should just have a little moment apart and you should go home. Oh, I forgot. He confesses that he loves her first.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Kristin Davis]

After a week and a half. Yeah. Which is so funny and adorable. And she's just like, oh, thank you. Like, how uncomfortable. You know, but also, he's so.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

He's so exuberant. Exuberant and like. Yeah, seems, like genuine. I mean, of course.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, he believes, but yeah. Yes, yes, addicts. He's addict, but yes, he doesn't mean. He doesn't mean it. Right, right, right. So she's flattered. This is what my notes say. She's flattered, but that's not what you want when you tell someone that you love them. And basically she says, you know, we need some time apart. And he's like, are you breaking up with me? And she goes, no, I just want you to go home and I'll see you in a couple days. And this does not go well. She goes to bed.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh, right.

[Kristin Davis]

With a very beautiful hairdo, I might add. She's got a real nice top knot. And she hears some shouting. She looks out her window. This guy's in her beautiful street. He's on Perry street. And he is stripping off his clothes and he is drunk.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I forgot about this.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, it's so good. It's so good. I don't remember any of it either. He's stripping off his clothes, yelling at her, like, I'm drunk and it's your fault because you didn't love me back. You know, like, just gone off the wagon is terrible, terrible. And she's torn between, like, wanting to help him. But then she goes at one point, like, but he Taught me that that would be codependent, so I can't go down there and help. Right. And then, like, some neighbor shouting at him, like, get your clothes on. So he screams all kind of things at her as he takes off all his clothes, even his underwear, on the street in the middle of the night. It's very interesting. And I can't say that I've ever seen that exactly happen in New York. I know. And then later, she says that three weeks later she gets a letter from him, making amends. Oh, I know. And then she never talks to him again. But she wonders if he stayed sober and if she was really that good in bed. Because he tells her over and over again, like, you're amazing. You're the best. You're amazing. And I mean, what even is good in bed? Like, good in bed is very, very subjective. You know what I'm saying?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, I think. And I don't know that we actually say that in the episode, but that's what I took from it is like, you know, Samantha obviously is good in bed, but the gay guys don't wanna have sex with her. But that's cause they're gay. It's not related. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, right. Like, it's a very subjective kind of a conversation. Yeah, that's what I think about it. And I think that if you're, you know, I guess you need to just be yourself in bed is the big thing, don't you think?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I mean, I was just seeing this as like Charlotte's journey and then the other things kind of get woven in, you know? Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And so unusual. Like, I feel like that's the first time that we've started on Charlotte and Charlotte's issue gets kind of spun out.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right, right.

[Kristin Davis]

But I totally agree with you. It is interesting how even though I love Carrie's storyline the most, because I think that guy is so good and also so real, like you said, and not like just an extreme something. Like, it has so many ups and downs and emotional elements to it. I mean, I think it's great.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Also, I thought it was kind of interesting that Carrie had the wherewithal. Because a lot of times when you're that age, you just, like, go with this addictive behavior. Oh, absolutely.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's not very mature.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

But yeah, like, I thought that was kind of interesting that she, like, recognized it and laid down a boundary instead of going, like, hooking onto the drama train and the crazy train.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree 100%. I mean, that's the other thing. When people talk about Carrie's faults or whatever they perceive Carrie's faults to be, sometimes you look at her and you're like, she's incredibly mature and thoughtful. You know, like, when he's down there screaming, I 100% would have gone down there to help that guy.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, who wouldn't? I mean.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Or like, the guy says, I love you after a week, you're like, okay. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that part.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

That part. I kind of want to be unheard.

[Kristin Davis]

Though, because it's kind of uncomfortable, Comfortable. And I think because it's a week and a half, right? Yeah.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

It's a little rash.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a lot. And the thing that I do think about her, which I think is impressive because she's a sex columnist. Right. So she's hearing so many different stories about relationships and sex and different things. Right. She's kind of like this receptacle of all the Manhattan stories. She knows enough intellectually, like, oh, yeah, that's probably not a good thing that he's confessing his love after a week and a half.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

You know?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

But that is a very rational thing. But I have had certainly times where people seem overboard, and I feel like that the issue is that you're not in it with them. Like, it's not so great if you're not also feeling that.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I've also gone too fast myself.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But as long as you're in it together. Hey, fun, but probably not gonna last, but really a good time.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. We did it. We're done.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

We did. We did. Oh, my gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you, Rachel. Sure.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

It was fun. Thank you for having me.

[Kristin Davis]

It was wonderful.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm gonna come visit you on the Woo Woo.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah, Kristin's gonna. Come on. We're gonna talk about being Pisces and beyond. Yes. Being Woo Woo on Woo Woo.

[Kristin Davis]

Let's be some Woo Woo together.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Okay, good.

[Kristin Davis]

Love it.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

That'll be fun.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's good that you. Ron. Talked about the tantric sex. We need talk about the tantric sex.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm no expert on tantric sex.

[Kristin Davis]

That's okay.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

But it's in the Woo Woo category. It is definitely in the Woo category, right? Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

All right.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yay. Wait. Yeah. What?

[Kristin Davis]

Are you a Charlotte?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Oh, did you ask that at the end of.

[Kristin Davis]

I do.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm a Charlotte. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Tell us in what way?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I don't know. I just relate to the person that's Kind of like, what? What'd you do? You know, like that kind of thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Me too.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Out of my friends. Well, I guess I'm thinking back to, like, being that age. But I mean, I guess I'm like. Well, I guess I think of, like, Charlotte and Miranda and Carrie kind of in one thing. And then there's like, the Samantha. I mean, I'm definitely not a Samantha, in case you can't tell from my vibes. But I'd say I'm somewhere in the other three realm. Yes, got it.

[Kristin Davis]

So different ones at different times.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it, got it, got it. But I relate. I also relate to the. To the. Huh? What? Huh?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah. What?

[Kristin Davis]

What? What? You know, that's kind of the easiest part of me.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah. I mean, that seems really fun to play. It is really fun to be, I.

[Kristin Davis]

Guess, on a comedy, you know, like, it's a good vibe, I think.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

The innocent, wide eyed, like, what? I mean, like that.

[Kristin Davis]

And when I look back at the show, one of the things that I think about compared to and just like that is that I was often just responding to them until I get into the whole, like, I'm gonna get married and I've got this book and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then when. And just like that came, Michael Patrick would say to me, like, you're driving this scene. I'd be like, oh, no, I want them to drive the scene so I can react. Do I have to drive the scene?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right, right. That's your vibe is to be the reactor.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I had to still react, but then I also had to drive the scene. Especially like in Charlotte's Family.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Dynamic.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Like the captain or whatever.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right, right.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, exhausting.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Gosh.

[Kristin Davis]

I like the reacting.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Fun time.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Me too.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah. I've kind of learned that, like, just over the years, like, I kind of like being the person, like, comes out and says the little thing and then goes like, it's fun. Rather than the person that's like, you know, I feel the same.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I feel the same.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Just know thyself.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I know. And we all contribute.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes, we do.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

They need us to do their thing.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But I want to be up there by myself.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Ew. All right, all right. Well, that was fun.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

Two Pisces. Thank you.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Pisces.

[Kristin Davis]

Two Pisces in a room.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm so excited.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Josh Clark]

Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff youf Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff youf Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight, people using axes in really terrible ways, disappearances, legendary heists, the whole nine yards. So check out the Stuff youf Should Know true crime Playlist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chris Pine]

People called them murderers. Ten years later, they were gods. Today, no one knows their names. A group of maverick surgeons who took on the medical establishment who risked everything to invent open heart surgery. Welcome to the Wild west of American Medicine. I'm Chris Pine and this is Cardiac Cowboys. If you like medical dramas, if you like heart pounding thrillers, you will love Cardiac Cowboys. Listen on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to podcasts sponsored by by.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Jasper AI Built for marketers. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago.

[Kristin Davis]

How can one 1 year old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.