The biggest red flag about Trey is revealed... (S4 E5 "Ghost Town")

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Are You A Charlotte? – Episode Summary

Episode Overview

Episode Title: The biggest red flag about Trey is revealed... (S4 E5 "Ghost Town")
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Tracy Thoms
Release Date: April 16, 2026
Main Theme:
A deep-dive discussion of Sex and the City Season 4, Episode 5 ("Ghost Town"), focusing on Carrie’s awkward encounter at Aidan and Steve's new bar, the red flags in Charlotte’s relationship with Trey, and the nuances of the characters’ relationships and personal growth. The conversation blends nostalgia, personal insight, and behind-the-scenes tidbits, with modern reflections on womanhood, relationships, and TV storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Carrie, Aidan, and Steve: Awkward Reunions & Emotional Complexity

• Carrie’s Reluctance & Anticipation (03:02–06:15)

  • Carrie receives an invitation to the new bar opening. She oscillates over whether or not to attend, assuming Aidan invited her when it was actually Steve.
  • Walking inside, Carrie is visibly uncomfortable and out of her element—a rare moment for her character.
  • Notable recurring theme: Carrie is often in control, especially with Big, but Aidan throws her off balance.

  “But with Aiden, she's kind of thrown off her game. Which is good.”
  — Kristin Davis (06:39)

• Carrie & Aidan’s Dynamic (05:38–06:08)

  • When Carrie finally sees Aidan, his aloof nod unsettles her, highlighting a role reversal in their dynamic.

  "That nod was like—she's like, that's it? That's all? That's all I get?"
  — Tracy Thoms (05:49)

• Life’s Uncertainty Reflected in Relationships (06:12–07:19)

  • The hosts discuss the unpredictability of relationships, both on the show and in real life.

  “Isn't that how life is? You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think.”
  — Kristin Davis (07:12)

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Trey, Bunny, and Charlotte: A Red-Flag-Filled Triangle

• Trey’s "Mother" Issue (07:33–10:12)

  • The conversation centers on Trey’s close, somewhat unhealthy attachment to his mother, Bunny. Both hosts label constant reference to "Mother" as a major red flag.

  “Whenever I hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as 'mother'—run.”
  — Tracy Thoms (07:46)

  • Kristin and Tracy humorously debate the delicate balance between a "mama’s boy" and someone with family issues.

• Navigating In-Laws & Boundaries (09:38–10:56)

  • Charlotte’s challenge is not only pleasing Bunny, but also finding her own voice and desires amidst the mother-son dynamic.
  • The trio’s scene at the bed store and the infamous “duck decor” highlight Bunny’s control and Trey’s passivity.

  “But now Bunny's, like, obviously shown her cards that she's not really Team Charlotte...she's like, you're not good enough, basically.”
  — Kristin Davis (09:53)

• Comedy in Domestic Scenes (11:20–12:08)

  • The vivid description of Bunny, Charlotte, and Trey in the chest rub/Vicks scene—absurd yet endearing.
  • The infamous bedroom interruption by Bunny ("with muffins") is called out as both adorable and uncomfortable.

  “We're all rubbing that stuff on his chest... I'm the woman, this is my job.”
  — Tracy Thoms (11:49)

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Samantha & Maria: Growing Pains of Trying to Settle Down

• Samantha’s "Monogamy Experiment" (16:45–18:19)

  • The hosts poke fun at Samantha’s discomfort with her attempt at a serious relationship with Maria.
  • The memorable bathtub scene is described as “uncomfortable” for all—and as proof that Samantha is not cut out for a talking-heavy, emotionally intense relationship.

  “She does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. That bathtub scene lasted a long time.”
  — Kristin Davis (17:44)

  “I don't wanna talk anymore. Talk. Talk. More talking.”
  — Tracy Thoms (17:59)

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Miranda & Steve: Real Feelings, Denial, and Longing

• The “No Feelings” Conversation (18:17–19:12)

  • Both Miranda and Carrie claim to have no lingering feelings for their exes, but the hosts suspect denial.

  “I don't even know how that happens, because obviously...strong enough feelings, they're gonna like get back together.”
  — Tracy Thoms (18:39)

• Bar Opening & Ghost Town Motif (20:32–21:19)

  • Unusual for the show: an important moment (Steve trying to kiss Miranda) is only relayed second-hand, possibly due to production constraints. The hosts theorize about filming limitations.

  • Steve's openness and ability to give Miranda credit is highlighted as a key to their enduring chemistry.

  “He always does give her credit. She is seen for what she can contribute, in a way that’s really sweet.”
  — Kristin Davis (21:19)

• The Importance of Longing in Rom-Coms (21:28–24:24)

  • Longing as a central, sometimes unacknowledged, emotional driver in romantic stories, particularly for women.
  • Kristin references conversations with Sarah Jessica Parker and recalls crying at The Notebook, linking these moments to the healing potential of narrative catharsis.

  “We women, we like to push on our bruises.”
  — Sarah Jessica Parker, as quoted by Kristin Davis (23:53)

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Art, Catharsis, and the Power of Television

• Wallowing and Letting Go (24:24–25:37)

  • The danger of becoming addicted to the feelings of longing and sadness, especially for people with ADHD tendencies.

  "You just get addicted to feeling."
  — Tracy Thoms (24:21)
  “That’s not healthy.”
  — Kristin Davis (24:24)

• Why We Rewatch (25:48–26:53)

  • Personal anecdotes about using movies and TV, like The Notebook, as emotional outlets and a means to process personal heartbreak and catharsis.

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TV, Typecasting, and Imperfection in Female Characters

• Are You a Charlotte? (The Big Question) (28:53–29:08)

  • Tracy identifies as a former Charlotte, now more Miranda—a blend she sees as ideal for real life: passion balanced by self-regulation.

  “Someone who can, like, identify their feelings...but also regulate yourself in a way that you don't make really bad, stupid decisions.”
  — Tracy Thoms (29:13)

• Imperfection and Evolution in TV Writing (29:33–32:15)

  • Reflections on how Sex and the City celebrated imperfection, compared to the safer storytelling in today's streaming landscape.
  • Discussion of the show "Imperfect Women" and how limited series allow for messier, more nuanced characters.

  “Everybody was imperfect. Which of course, they can't really write now.”
  — Kristin Davis (29:34)

• Portrayals of Women Onscreen: Drinking, Smoking & Moral Judgments (30:36–32:10)

  • Observations about the modern TV/film climate being more judgmental of female characters' vices than in SATC's heyday.

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Behind-the-Scenes: Casting, Roles, and TV Tropes

• Typecasting and Finding Your Niche (32:26–33:09)

  • Tracy discusses her transition from playing cops and lawyers to "best friend" roles, embracing niche casting over variety for career stability.

  “It's easier to have a niche than not have a niche.”
  — Tracy Thoms (32:51)

• Acting Challenges: Medical Dramas vs. Detectives (34:19–36:34)

  • Humorous exchange about the challenges and contentment derived from different types of TV roles—playing therapists, nurses, FBI agents, and the intricacies of faking medical jargon and on-set gross-out moments.

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Notable, Memorable Quotes

• “Whenever I hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as 'mother'—run.”
  — Tracy Thoms (07:46)

• “She does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. That bathtub scene lasted a long time.”
  — Kristin Davis (17:44)

• “We women, we like to push on our bruises.”
  — Sarah Jessica Parker, as quoted by Kristin Davis (23:53)

• “It's easier to have a niche than not have a niche.”
  — Tracy Thoms (32:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening & Bar Scene Recap: 03:02–06:15
• Aidan’s Aloofness & Carrie’s Reaction: 05:38–06:08
• Trey, Bunny & Red Flags: 07:33–10:56
• Vicks Chest Rub/Bunny’s Muffin Interruption: 11:20–12:08
• Samantha & Maria Bathtub Scene: 16:45–18:19
• Miranda & Carrie Denying Feelings: 18:17–19:12
• Steve’s Attempted Kiss (Behind-the-scenes chat): 20:32–21:19
• The Importance of Longing: 21:28–24:24
• Art as Catharsis: 24:24–26:53
• Are You a Charlotte? Tracy’s Answer: 28:53–29:08
• TV’s Imperfect Characters, Past and Present: 29:33–32:10
• Typecasting & Finding Your Niche: 32:26–33:09

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Tone and Language

• The episode flows with warmth, humor, and candid self-reflection, echoing the supportive yet teasing friendships depicted onscreen. Both hosts blend personal anecdotes with critical analysis, inviting listeners into the intimacy of their experience both as actors and as real-life women relating to the show's themes.

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For Newcomers

This episode offers an inviting blend of scene-by-scene nostalgia, honest talk about relationships and red flags, and insider tidbits about acting and TV production. It’s perfect for both die-hard Sex and the City fans and listeners interested in how iconic television still reflects (and shapes) real-life conversations about love, family, and being perfectly imperfect.

Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? Part two. We have Tracy Thoms with us today. We are going to talk episode four of season four called Ghost Town. Do you remember when Carrie takes the plant to scout the new bar that Steve and Aiden have invested in together? So she gets. Miranda invites her. Oh, she gets an invitation and she thinks that Aiden must have invited her and so she's trying to get her mind around that she can go. But then she's so torn about it.

[Tracy Thoms]

So I'm not going.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm not going. Right. And then she takes the plan to give well wishes to Steve and she sees him and he's his regular kind of like bubbly, you know, innocent sel.

[Tracy Thoms]

She's so adorable.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. He's so adorable. Really adorable. But he seems so incredibly young. I'm like somewhat taken aback every time I see him in these older episodes. Like, he seems like he's 25 years old. I know it's interesting, but it's his energy, you know, because he's. He's not younger than us, I don't think. I'm not sure.

[Tracy Thoms]

I was surpri. Actually, I was surpr. He came to do an episode of Cold Case when I was and I was surprised at how like more mature he was.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

Because I was used to him, his energy on the show being like, you know, whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

I do know what you mean.

[Tracy Thoms]

You know, when it came I was like, oh, you're a Grown. Grown up 100.

[Kristin Davis]

And I feel like the Steve in and just like that is more like a grown up too. Right. Obviously. Because it's many years later, but it is still surprising to see the young Steve.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

He's like a bubbly.

[Tracy Thoms]

So young.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And Miranda's so much the adult.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

That it's interesting. But that's partly what work about them. But when Carrie goes to take the Plant, I love how they filmed it because they kind of film it. Spooky.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Like the light is on the street, but it's dark in the bar and the bar is like dark wood and very masculine.

[Tracy Thoms]

Just comes out the back. Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It's very Cool. And then you hear Aiden's voice and she runs. It's really good. Yeah, it's really, really good. But then the best part. And we're jumping around, but it's okay. The best part is when. So then she does go, and Samantha comes to. To the bar opening. Even though she thinks so. Steve basically says to her, like, oh, Aiden, didn't inv. I invited you. So then Carrie's all in her head, like, right, right, right. But then she ends up going. Because I think she just so really wants to see him. Has built it up.

[Tracy Thoms]

The curiosity would never let her not go. Like, they're all gonna go and she's not gonna go.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's not happen. Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

She has a worker work herself.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. But then she sees him across the room, and of course he looks fantastic.

[Tracy Thoms]

I mean, he's beautiful.

[Kristin Davis]

And he nods at her in this very aloof way. He's now the aloof one. It's interesting.

[Tracy Thoms]

That nod was like. She's like, that's it. That's all. That's all I get.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Tracy Thoms]

Not. It's like, what do you want him to do?

[Kristin Davis]

I know, but that was so good.

[Tracy Thoms]

It was so. It was so perfect.

[Kristin Davis]

She needs that.

[Tracy Thoms]

And he was so good at being like, of course it's you.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

Like, of course I know you're here. Of course.

[Kristin Davis]

Go out there and have that cake scene. It was good. It was so good.

[Tracy Thoms]

So sparkly.

[Kristin Davis]

So sparkly. I know. But also, she's uncomfortable, and it's nice to see her be uncomfortable, because when you think about it, Carrie is not uncomfortable that often.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

She's usually kind of somewhat in charge or trying to be in charge.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, with Big, she's trying to like, what if I do this? Or what if I do that? Or what if I show up at the door in this outfit? Or what if I show up at the door at that outfit? Or, you know, she's doing all her different carry things. But with Aiden, she's kind of thrown off her game.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is good.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right. Because Aiden is so. Aiden is so. He's so good. You know, it's such a. It's. And I love the complexity of it. I love that it's not a show where you're just like, oh, yeah, she's gonna end up with Big.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no. It's like, no, you don't know. I mean, when you see she and Corbett together, you're like, she should end up with Aiden.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And then back when Big comes back, you're like, she should end up with Big because they're all just so good.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, so good. And the writing is great and. And you don't know. Like, you don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

You don't know. But also, isn't that how life is? You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think.

[Tracy Thoms]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, you might think, you know, but I don't know if you know.

[Tracy Thoms]

No. You think it's going to be you and a certain person on the porch with rocking chairs. Who's gonna be in this rocking chair with me? I think I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Who knows? Speaking of which, let's talk about Charlotte for a second. I mean, man, she's in the bed store with. With the mom and Trey, and he's just so. He's so innocent and it all. Do you know what I mean?

[Tracy Thoms]

I know, but it's like if I. Whenever I hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as mother. Well, mother says this, but a mother. Run. Sorry.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, it's a problem. It's a problem.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, I agree, Mother.

[Kristin Davis]

I also feel like if there's a man, like, let's say over 35, and he talks about his mother a lot and. Or complains about his mother, that's not good. Yeah, you need to be worked out. You to have it worked out.

[Tracy Thoms]

Need to have it worked out. And I also have a tendency to date mama's boys. You know, I mean, because what's the alternative? Date somebody who, like, doesn't like his mother. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's not good.

[Tracy Thoms]

That's not good. So. So it's always been there's that negotiation. You're like, okay, well, here's the mom. And the mom's like, this is my son, my prized possession.

[Kristin Davis]

I have a son. How do you navigate all this?

[Tracy Thoms]

I don't know. Are you worthy?

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

But don't you feel that way towards the. The girls and their people as well?

[Tracy Thoms]

There's something about a mom and a son.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's not a bottom. Ominous. And especially a black mom and a black.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, okay.

[Tracy Thoms]

Our family units are like, Got it. I always pass, by the way.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, good.

[Tracy Thoms]

Of course you do.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course you do.

[Tracy Thoms]

Is pass. But there is a moment of, like,

[Kristin Davis]

you are not sure. You have to really, like, the first

[Tracy Thoms]

time that the mom comes to your house and you're like, clean.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that's scary.

[Tracy Thoms]

Terrifying. Of course, I can't have any dust anywhere.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Tracy Thoms]

And that is not my ministry. I'm not like, super Neat at all. I'm a messy piles of things. Got it.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it. I get it. I am, too.

[Tracy Thoms]

Maybe it's the ADD or something. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen, I only have people on who have add. Oh. Apparently. Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

I'm in the right place.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. Totally. Well, this is what brings me up. Also thinking about the Trey. Bunny, Charlotte Triumvirate. Right. You interesting in this episode because you can tell, like, in the beginning, Charlotte was trying to please Bunny. Rightly.

[Tracy Thoms]

That's what you do.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. But now Bunny's, like, obviously shown her cards that she's not really Team Charlotte. You know what I'm saying? She's like, you're not good enough, basically. You know, and she's weird. So now Charlotte's kind of like, you know, oh, God. And trying to shop with them, but she doesn't want this hard bed. Like, Bunny's trying to get her to get another hard bed. Bunny wants her to get, I believe,

[Tracy Thoms]

not to be firm, the dust ruffle.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And she says, like, that is un. Unpresentable or some. Right. And Charlotte's like, you know, and it's so interesting, all the little details, but it makes perfect sense because, like, the whole detail thing and the detail of the picture, that has been important to Charlotte. But this is what she's finding out is not actually important.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is good.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Tracy Thoms]

The duck.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Definitely the duck. My God, the duck. Can you imagine having to live with ducks? Mallards. Boo. Boo. And then he's like, well, Mom. Mom put a lot of time and energy into this.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. Mother does all of our houses. What?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. I know. It's the weird part of Trey. You know?

[Tracy Thoms]

Cute. Weird. I was looking at him like.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's not a good look.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's not.

[Kristin Davis]

No. It's not a good look at all.

[Tracy Thoms]

He's like, are you a grown man?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Right. Are you an adult?

[Tracy Thoms]

Or you like a.

[Kristin Davis]

It's not a sexy thing at all. No, I agree. Totally. But the thing that's hard for me. And of course, I have multitudes of layers of this because, you know, I was there or whatever. But you know when he gets sick and she comes over and he just looks up at her, at Bunny, and he's just so adorable and innocent. How can you not?

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah, I get it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

And he's adorable.

[Kristin Davis]

He is.

[Tracy Thoms]

But that was not cute.

[Kristin Davis]

No. But then, like, we're all rubbing that stuff on his chest, and when he goes.

[Tracy Thoms]

I remember I had a Vick up. Break up the mucus.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Tracy Thoms]

Move. I Was like, oh, God.

[Kristin Davis]

And also, I can just tell that Kyle is about to laugh. Like he's trying to lay there because it is ridiculous.

[Tracy Thoms]

You guys are rubbing him. Frantically rubbing it. This is my job.

[Kristin Davis]

This is.

[Tracy Thoms]

I'm. I'm the woman. This is my job.

[Kristin Davis]

It's kind of crazy.

[Tracy Thoms]

Get out of here, Bunn.

[Kristin Davis]

And then there is the weird part at the end. We're just going to cut to the end because, like, then we're having sex and I'm on top of him, and she barges in and we're just like, hello.

[Tracy Thoms]

Some muffins or something.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, she's got the muffins. But then her exit, like when she's all flustered. So adorable. She's so good.

[Tracy Thoms]

She's. She really is. I love her every time.

[Kristin Davis]

Me too.

[Tracy Thoms]

Like her in the Mist. Oh, my God, the movie the Mist. Have seen that? No, that's all I'm gonna say. The Mist.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, you guys, we have to go look at Franny Stern. It's a mist.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's a Stephen King.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, is she scary?

[Tracy Thoms]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, she's not.

[Kristin Davis]

But good.

[Tracy Thoms]

The movie is. It's brilliant.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Tracy Thoms]

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[Tracy Thoms]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Tracy Thoms]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Tracy Thoms]

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get the real storylines.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm not worried about Pulisic. I'm not worried about Baligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions you're going to look at. Stats and numbers.

[Tracy Thoms]

He has no shot at making this World cup team.

[Kristin Davis]

And the truth about the US national team, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals.

[Tracy Thoms]

The World cup is almost here.

[Kristin Davis]

Experience it all with us. Listen to Inside American Soccer with Tom Boger and Tab ramos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's discuss Samantha and Maria. Man, oh, man. I mean, this thing hasn't lasted long.

[Tracy Thoms]

This relationship, it's hilarious, though. It is. Maria's just so, like, what are you doing? Right? Like, who do you think your woman is?

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, the way they got together at the art show. Maria's art show. All right. It was pretty quick. I don't think she really knew.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, I don't think she did her research.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right. You know, but it seems like it would be obvious.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, it totally seems obvious. But Maria is not.

[Tracy Thoms]

Seem like a settled down.

[Kristin Davis]

No. But it is interesting that she wants to try. Right. But it's. I feel bad for Maria. I'm like, no, she does not really want to try.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, she doesn't really want to try. And she thought she was probably trying to be a good person. I mean, I don't know. I mean, Samantha's always unapologetic about her stuff. But maybe like any human being, every now and then, like, okay, enough. Now I've done. Maybe I've been out here.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, let's try something different.

[Tracy Thoms]

Let's try this.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? Maybe this will definitely.

[Tracy Thoms]

Maybe as I get older, this will be nice.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

To have some stability.

[Kristin Davis]

She does not want to be sitting in that bathtub.

[Tracy Thoms]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

That bathtub scene lasted a long time.

[Tracy Thoms]

It was so uncomfortable, wasn't it?

[Kristin Davis]

And Maria's just trying. But then Maria's kind of mad.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And then Samantha's kind of mad. And Samantha's like, I'm clean. And gets out. Like, oh, Lord.

[Tracy Thoms]

And jumps out of the thing. Yes. I don't wanna talk anymore. Talk. Talk. More talking.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. She's not. She does not want to be in a lesbian thing.

[Tracy Thoms]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Because I do think that the lesbians enjoy talking. And sometimes it seems like that would be great.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But then maybe not.

[Tracy Thoms]

Maybe not.

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe not.

[Tracy Thoms]

Not if you're Samantha.

[Kristin Davis]

Not if you're Samantha. For sure. For sure. For sure. All right, Miranda. So this is interesting. There were some conversations between Miranda and Carrie in this episode that I thought were so interesting. Where they basically both are asking each other, do you still have feelings about Steve? Do you still have feelings about Aiden? And they're both like, I don't think so. And I'm like, do they not know themselves at all? Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

I don't even miss Right how I. Yeah. I don't know how that happens. Because obviously if you saw strong enough feelings of both of them. Strong enough feelings, they're gonna, like, get back together with the people and not

[Kristin Davis]

that long in the distance.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. And it's obvious.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Tracy Thoms]

I don't.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't.

[Tracy Thoms]

I Don't have any feelings for him at all.

[Kristin Davis]

But I do feel like that is what you do with your girlfriends, right? Where you're like, no, no. Kind that you're thinking about them.

[Tracy Thoms]

That'll be fine. Yeah. You know, you're thinking about them, but you're like, it's in the past, it's over. And a lot of that might be self preservation because you don't know if the other person still feels way about you telling yourself it's over. He doesn't want, we're done.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. But there is this one weird thing with Miranda and Steve. So she's in her apartment, she thinks she has a ghost. You know, he's opening this bar and she's like, well, that was my idea.

[Tracy Thoms]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

And then they have the really sweet

[Tracy Thoms]

scenes and he gives her credit.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And this is partly why I think they work out. Right. Is that like he always does give her credit. You know, she is kind of seen for what she can contribute, you know, in a way that's really sweet. Yeah, right. Like he sees the sweet side of her.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. And she's like, oh, she's awful.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. It kind of like takes her off arguments away. Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

You're giving me credit, right? Yeah. Why wouldn't I give you credit?

[Kristin Davis]

Right. It's nice. It's really nice. Exactly. But she expects not to get the credit. And then she gets the credit and she's like, wow. Oh gosh. But then later she says to Carrie that Carrie was supposed to be there with her and that Steve Job tried to kiss her, but you don't see it. And like when my producers were writing the notes, they were like, that's so weird. And I thought about it and I do think it's weird because usually you would see something like that. So I don't know if there was some reason that we don't see it or if it got cut or I don't know what happened. Like every once in a while we would have like a scheduled drama where we couldn't film something. Like we'd run out of time at a location or something like that. And I wonder because that would have been at the bar opening. Right. I think that's after that. But that's when Aiden and Carrie have the cake scene.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. And then Steve comes out.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right. And says, we're gonn make the toast.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And usually if we're on location, we're shooting till the sun comes up. You know what I mean? So maybe we ran out of night time.

[Tracy Thoms]

Imagine it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I Mean, it could.

[Tracy Thoms]

Imagination.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. So she just says like, oh, yes, Steve tried to kiss me. She says on the phone to Carrie. Which is kind of funny because normally that would be really important. Yeah. But we don't see it. We just hear about it. And she's all like, you know, like it was nothing. But I feel like whenever they're talking, Steven, Miranda, you can tell that there's unresolved things.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah, but he's so. He's always so like longing.

[Kristin Davis]

He really. He plays longing so well. You're so right.

[Tracy Thoms]

Just like.

[Kristin Davis]

And she doesn't have any longing. No, she doesn't have any. This is interesting.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Because longing. Someone was talking about this. Some other actress, Amanda Peet was saying that she. And oh my God, what's your best friend who's in all the. Ryan Murphy.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, Sarah. Yes, Paulson.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Sarah Paulson and she were discussing longing as part of rom coms. And it's really interesting concept to think of. I do think it's a central part of romantic comedies that work is that there's a longing. And it might be expressed or it might just be under the surface. But I think it's important. And I think it's something that women really relate to and probably men too, right? I don't know. But definitely women. And I think all of us have so much longing for so many things.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And different things at different times of life or whatever. But I think it's also interesting because sometimes it's that thing that you don't want to admit. You don't want to admit that you're longing for this. I think that's one of the good things about Charlotte is Charlotte always admits that she's belonging.

[Tracy Thoms]

Always admits.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. She wears it on her sleeve. Belonging. Whereas Carrie is kind of like covered. Covered and even covered from herself. So Miranda's saying, like. Like, do you still have feelings for Aiden? She's like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tracy Thoms]

I just went into a whole tizzy.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Tracy Thoms]

I can't go. I can't go. Okay. If it was fine.

[Kristin Davis]

You exactly. Disappointed that he just looks at her. Right. It's interesting. It's interesting. But I do think that we. That we do this, you know, just like we don't want to admit, you know.

[Tracy Thoms]

Well, yeah, because longing, then there's pain and suffering and sadness that comes. If you don't. You were longing for too long and

[Kristin Davis]

that it's sad, then it becomes a wallow. Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

You get to like, they'll wallow it.

[Kristin Davis]

It's fine lines. Fine line. I remember when we did the first movie, and there's that whole New Year's Eve sequence where Carrie puts on her coat to go out to Miranda's and they play that really song. Sad version of Auld Lang Syne.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you remember this? It's like Scottish or Irish or something. And it's kind of like really leaning into your feelings. And Sarah Jessica said to me, I said, oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that song choice. And she was like, no, no, it's really good. It's really good. Because, you know, we women, we like to push on our bruises. I was like, oh, that's so smart, sir. Oh, I know, right?

[Tracy Thoms]

Yep.

[Kristin Davis]

And I thought to myself, thank you very much. Right. And I also thought, like, that's what movies are for.

[Tracy Thoms]

That is what they're for. You're supposed to sit in your feelings. You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

It's a way. It's a way.

[Tracy Thoms]

But then you can start getting. This is gonna get really weird. You start to get addicted to the feeling of.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

Wallowing and longing because that you feel.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Limerence. I think they call that limits.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. It's just. You just get addicted to feeling.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. It's like. Like a cycle in your brain.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

That's not healthy.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, it's.

[Kristin Davis]

No, you got to break out.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's also add thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. That's so true.

[Tracy Thoms]

I just learned that reason. Oh, no wonder I can't get over people.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

When I break up with them.

[Kristin Davis]

That's important because it's gotta move on.

[Tracy Thoms]

That's right.

[Kristin Davis]

But I also think, like, if you think about art and movies, that's why it's important, is to go in the experience, in the darkness with the strangers, have the feelings, and then walk out

[Tracy Thoms]

and then get it out.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Like catharsis. Like the original idea of theater, you know?

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. I remember the first time I saw the Notebook. It was like that.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

I was in it. I was in it. And that's. I was really in it. Sure.

[Kristin Davis]

We were younger.

[Tracy Thoms]

It was.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

And I was. I was in it with this dude. I was just like, you know. You know, whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

You saw the Notebook right in the middle of it.

[Tracy Thoms]

I saw the Notebook while I was in the. And I was just, like, inconsol. I was crying, so. And I'm not a crier. I'm not like an emotional person.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I'm a crier.

[Tracy Thoms]

I'm not. I'm not an emotional person. So if it gets me, it's It's.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Tracy Thoms]

I was crying so hard. I was laughing at myself. I was just.

[Kristin Davis]

You could laugh at yourself, but that's true catharsis, I think, like that's like literally coming out of your body.

[Tracy Thoms]

And then I took my friend to see if I was crazy and the same thing happened to her.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, for sure. The Notebook's really good. She was like, oh my God, no. I was just on a plane. I was on a 10 hour flight and I'd seen everything and the Notebook was there. And I was like, should I? And I was like, no, I can't go there. So I watched Sinners again instead because that's a different type. You know what I'm saying? But I was like, I can't Place

[Tracy Thoms]

of the Notebook ever watch that movie again.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

And. And what's more is my mom died of Alzheimer's, so I really, really can't see it. And I've told my dad, I said, dad, don't ever watch the movie.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Tracy Thoms]

He was like, why?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, Gen. Break your heart.

[Tracy Thoms]

I think it's a. It's not a good movie. I'm like, dad, if you know what's good for you, because I'm not here to tell you not to watch it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. I mean, he also might need his own therapist.

[Tracy Thoms]

He might.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's hard.

[Tracy Thoms]

Like that or like away from her in that movie. Away from her.

[Kristin Davis]

Who was that? I feel like I saw that.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It wasn't Julianne Moore, was it?

[Tracy Thoms]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Kristin Davis]

What was the one with Julianne Moore gets early onset.

[Tracy Thoms]

Well, I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

With Alec Baldwin. She goes to the blackboard and writes her number on it and then she can't remember the number. Oh, it's really good. Thank you so much. Good job. She was great. So great. Wait, what's away from her?

[Tracy Thoms]

Away from her? She was on my front Oscar part two. Oh, yeah. And basically away from her, she gets diagnosed. Well, she, they, she was with her husband and they're like this long term loving relationship. They cross country ski all the time.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Tracy Thoms]

And very fit, active, you know, great people. And then one day she's come and she's cross country skiing and she has no idea where she is. She's. She's like, it's lost.

[Kristin Davis]

Horrible.

[Tracy Thoms]

And she does it every day, you know, does the same ski thing every day and she gets lost in the woods and she finally gets home. She finally gets there. She's like, I horrible. Didn't know where I was. I couldn't get home. See that Something's wrong. Something's wrong. Well, no, you just got turned on. No, no, no, no, no. I do this every day. Something's wrong. Gets her diagnosis.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Tracy Thoms]

So then she goes and she picks out her own care facility. So she goes and visits care facilities and picks it out for herself. And the husband's kind of like in denial about it. Like, no, no, no, no. It's gonna be fine. No, I wanna live here. Here. I don't want you to take care of me.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Thoms]

I want you to whatever. And.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. And so she's in the. And then she starts to, like, deteriorate. And he's visiting her every day. And she gets a boyfriend in the facility.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. Okay. She doesn't remember him anymore. Yeah. So he has to. The husband has to watch this happening with another person.

[Kristin Davis]

I miss this movie.

[Tracy Thoms]

And the doctors are like, this happens sometimes. They just. And they, they, they just found some kind of connection. It's not personal and it's not. You know, it's interesting. Yeah. It's a really. Also, dad, don't watch them. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it. I get it. I have a really pressing question. You kind of said it, but I'm going to ask you anyway. Tracy, are you a Charlotte?

[Tracy Thoms]

I am a Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

Adorable.

[Tracy Thoms]

I used to really, really be a Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

And then now you're more like.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, more Miranda.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. Or more Miranda altogether.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah, I'm a Charlotte. Miranda. Mix combo.

[Kristin Davis]

I like that combo.

[Tracy Thoms]

That combo. I think it's a good combo.

[Kristin Davis]

I think it's a great combo in terms of, like day to day life. That's a really good combo.

[Tracy Thoms]

Someone who can, like identify their feelings about things and allow themselves to be passionate about it, but also regulate yourself in a way that you don't make really bad, stupid decisions.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, look, the truth is, Miranda and Charlotte both have made both stupid decisions because they're human beings.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's one of the great things about looking back at the show is everybody was imperfect. Which of course, they can't really write now. You know, it's interesting.

[Tracy Thoms]

It is hard. We're in a weird place. Moment for art. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And also just for, like, what's getting greenlit for the streamers, you know, it's not a time where people are thinking, thinking, like, well, let's celebrate imperfect characters. That's not really happening so much right now, you know.

[Tracy Thoms]

Right. That show, the Kerry Washington show called Imperfect Women.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, wait, I haven't watched it yet.

[Tracy Thoms]

They're trying.

[Kristin Davis]

Are they. Good for them.

[Tracy Thoms]

Good for them. The Three of them are.

[Kristin Davis]

Are they all a messy.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Which. Well, good.

[Tracy Thoms]

In different ways.

[Kristin Davis]

I think the thing. Because that's a limited series, right? Sometimes with a limited series, I feel like you can do things that you can't do in an ongoing show. And that's the joy of having all these limited series. Right. Is that they kind of stand alone and you don't have to have someone buy in the same way. I feel like a show, you're asking people to really buy into those characters long term. And now everyone's so concerned, like, can we show this? Can we show that? Can we do this? Can we do that? What if they smoke a cigarette? Oh, my God.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, God, we can't have that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? But then I just read the other day, like, cigarettes are coming back. But that's a villain. A villain would smoke a cigarette.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So really interesting. Like, how did it hear?

[Tracy Thoms]

Villain smokes a cigarette. And women who drink are raging alcohol, which is crazy. I'm like, if a woman throws up, she's pregnant.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow. We distilled everything down to just, like, simple.

[Tracy Thoms]

If a woman throws up, oh, she's pregnant. Okay, great. If she has a drink, oh, she has a problem.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Thoms]

Men could still come home after work.

[Kristin Davis]

And every single character in Sex of the City drank. I mean, a lot, too. And it was discussed. It's not that it wasn't discussed. It was discussed, but it wasn't. We weren't vilified for it.

[Tracy Thoms]

No, not at all. And it was sexy. And the drinks were pretty.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, definitely. And occasionally they would drink too much and then they would regret it. So it wasn't like it was totally fake.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah, you get sick and carry. Wasn't Carry thrown up or something. And just like that, she drinks.

[Kristin Davis]

Had a storyline where she throws up on a guy, but they cut it.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Because they thought it was too much, which is kind of funny. It was kind of like a horror movie level. You know what I mean? But then, I mean, like, one time I get food poisoning with Harry. But that was a different. That was like. Because we were so perfect or whatever. Like, too happy. So we get food poisoning on Valentine's Day. That was just to, like, make us suffer a little bit. You know what I mean? I mean, there were different things. I can't really remember Carrie, but people would be hungover, you know what I mean? And people would do stupid things when they drank too much. I think that was the problem.

[Tracy Thoms]

But it's just. It was part of.

[Kristin Davis]

It was part of the life.

[Tracy Thoms]

The life in New York City.

[Kristin Davis]

Back in the day, that was. But now it's like, no, I know.

[Tracy Thoms]

You can't do it.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a different time. Time.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, God.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's craziness. It is craziness. So you've played all kinds of different characters and cops and whatnot.

[Tracy Thoms]

Cops.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you enjoy the cops? Do you enjoy the lawyers?

[Tracy Thoms]

I did, I do. I did used a lot of cops and lawyers, but now I'm like wives and best friend. I do a lot of best friend stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you like that or. No, it's. It's.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. I mean, it's like people like, oh, my God, you think you're getting typecast or. Or I'm like, well, I look at it more like it's a niche.

[Kristin Davis]

Yep.

[Tracy Thoms]

You know what I mean? And it's easier to have a niche.

[Kristin Davis]

I think. It is easier to have it and

[Tracy Thoms]

not have a niche.

[Kristin Davis]

I think so, too. I mean, that's the alternative. Right. And people have no need that out. Right, Jeremy?

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

They're like, oh, you get type pass. I'm like, yeah, but if I work, it's all fine.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's fine. Right? Totally. And I can make it interesting for myself.

[Kristin Davis]

Most definitely. Right. I think that's the key.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. And it's just the quality about me, you know, I think I have a. A certain gravitas, I've been told definitely, where people just want to talk to me.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Thoms]

Which is a great thing, which is the characters I play. So my brother's like, you always put the listening character. So I was like, so playing cops, I don't play, like, beat cops. I play, like, detectives, where I'm like. And then what happened? And I play lots of therapists. Lots of therapists. I'm a whole therapist. I had one small moment playing boss Bitches, which was with fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, that's fun.

[Tracy Thoms]

At a boss season. But now. Now I'm.

[Kristin Davis]

I never get to play cops. I really want to play a cop one day.

[Tracy Thoms]

You should.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I never. I did play an FBI agent once, but I was an FBI agent who was undercover with the criminals. And then at a certain point, I leave, and I'm just an FBI agent in a jacket with the gun. And I was like, oh, God, I hope so. Someone doesn't, like, think this is dumb. I mean, you always have that fear as an actor. Right. Because it's just not my. It's not my niche as we're speaking, but I would like it to be, you know, cops would be fine.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's just that usually just Have a lot of. I mean, because I do the FBI agent, CIA, detective cop things. There's always a lot of words. A lot of words.

[Kristin Davis]

A lot of words. Better than a medical doctor.

[Tracy Thoms]

Better than a medical doctor. I do nurses, not doctors.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, nurses. That's a little bit better.

[Tracy Thoms]

Is that weird?

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Tracy Thoms]

I played several.

[Kristin Davis]

I understand it.

[Tracy Thoms]

Why. But never doctors.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know.

[Tracy Thoms]

Well, except for on. In Falsettos on Broadway, I played a doctor.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that's important. Yeah, that's good. I mean, I think also, unfortunately, it's like, you know, I do feel like the Pit is doing a good job of trying to shake some of this stuff up, because a lot of it is about typecasting. Right. And, like, who is a nurse needs to be shaken up a bit. Like, they have those male nurses, which is great. And then they have many different women of color and all different things, and then some of them are leaving, and they better be, you know, promoting others because, you know, we don't want to have stress in that regard because they were doing so great.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah, right.

[Kristin Davis]

And all the actors are so good.

[Tracy Thoms]

The Pit is like, I have to binge it because it stresses me out so badly.

[Kristin Davis]

Me, too.

[Tracy Thoms]

That I can't have it be the end.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I know, I know.

[Tracy Thoms]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I tend to watch it before bed because I have, like, a tiny window when my children have gone to bed, but it's too stressful to watch before bed. Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

I have to be able to hit next.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, it's really good on a plane because you can really just be. Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

And you feel like you went to med school.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Tracy Thoms]

That potassium's too high about that, but I'm like, oh, the potassium. Potassium's high. That means something's really wrong with this guy. We sack y card it. What am I talking about?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, the tacky card. That's a very popular one. That's a very popular one. I have never played a doctor. Doctor. I don't think that I can think of. No, I would. I would like to play doctor, though I do feel like I'd be scared. I. Because it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of words, but also, like, the icky. The ick factor. I'm just like, oh, Lord. I would just have to seriously act.

[Tracy Thoms]

You would, but also, you'd be there, and you'd see the makeup person come and put the thing, and you're like, oh, this. This looks cool. Or that's for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure.

[Tracy Thoms]

You're very good at your job, and Right. You know.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. That's good.

[Tracy Thoms]

It doesn't really freak you out because it's just, like, fake.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yeah. It's so you see the bells and whistles. Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

You know how the sausage is made, so.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.

[Tracy Thoms]

It doesn't really. And you do it over and over again. It's not. You know, it just gets sticky after a while. The fake blood gets really sticky.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that makes sense. I've worked with a lot of dogs, and sometimes you have to hide the dog treats and rub bacon grease on your hands. So. Yeah, like. Kind of like that.

[Tracy Thoms]

Just like that. Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, you've been enjoying. Thank you so much. We're so excited to see Devil Worst Part of two.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, thank you. Me too.

[Kristin Davis]

Exciting.

[Tracy Thoms]

I've not seen it.

[Kristin Davis]

Ooh, that's. That's gonna be a lot.

[Tracy Thoms]

I haven't seen it.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't think Molly's seen it either. I haven't checked in with her. I need to check in again. She invited me to go to the premiere, but I couldn't make it. I feel so sad. I would love to go to the premiere, but it's gonna be a circus.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's gonna be crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

It's gonna be really vague and crazy. Yes. But fun.

[Tracy Thoms]

I'm looking forward to it. I'm taking my partner and my father and my brother.

[Kristin Davis]

That's fantastic. I'm gonna go.

[Tracy Thoms]

Me and the boys. It's me. Always.

[Kristin Davis]

That's great. Yeah, I love it. That's really good. I think it'll be really good. I'm really. I have good feelings about it. I'm. I'm there to support.

[Tracy Thoms]

Well, thank you. Get you a red bag.

[Kristin Davis]

I want a red bag to put my popcorn in. It's adorable. And whoever thought of that? Yeah.

[Tracy Thoms]

He's a genius. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

We need to make things.

[Tracy Thoms]

I mean, and even their press tour.

[Kristin Davis]

It's good.

[Tracy Thoms]

Ann and it's really good.

[Kristin Davis]

Meryl and Mer.

[Tracy Thoms]

Putting Meryl and Anna Wintour together is fantastic.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so glad Meryl talked her into it. It's really good. It's really, really good.

[Tracy Thoms]

It's really great.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. We had Chloe Moll on before she was named the new head editor of Vogue. She's Candice Perkins daughter, so we know her from as she described herself. She's a Sex and City Nepo baby. Oh, hilarious. Candace played Enid. So she came on and I follow her, and she said that she had asked Anna a while ago if she would ever think about being on the COVID with Marilyn and it was like, no, it's not my style. And Chloe said okay and dropped it. But then Meryl talked her into it.

[Tracy Thoms]

Oh, good. And it's so good.

[Kristin Davis]

It's iconic. It's fantastic.

[Tracy Thoms]

It is she, like, in profile and

[Kristin Davis]

love it so much. And Meryl's having so much fun.

[Tracy Thoms]

Meryl's having a good time. I could tell, you know, she's, you know, I was like, oh, they're in Korea today. Oh, now they're in Japan. I mean, I know where they are

[Kristin Davis]

every day when I. I know they're in Mexico City. I know. It's fantastic. And I love it so much. And I want there to be more female led films out there because it's so enjoyable.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah. There's so many great women in this movie.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Tracy Thoms]

So many.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. So I'm so glad it got made.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

God, we need more. Gotta keep it going.

[Tracy Thoms]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you for coming.

[Tracy Thoms]

Thanks for having me.

[Kristin Davis]

It was really fun. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.