Kristen Davis (2:56)

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Sarita Choudhury (4:04)

I'm so excited.

Kristen Davis (4:05)

I have been looking forward to this. The incredible Sarita Choudhury is here. It is a joy.

Sarita Choudhury (4:12)

It is such a joy for me. So catching up on this show, just wanting to watch all the. I'm a little addicted, so I honestly, I'm kind of like, I know these chairs from watching the show, so I'm very excited.

Kristen Davis (4:26)

Aw. I love having you here. Thank you. It's been a fun week. I feel like being together is just a. Exactly what I need.

Sarita Choudhury (4:34)

That's all I want.

Kristen Davis (4:35)

Right. That's all I want too. And then we get to rewatch the old show. I know. And it's a particularly interesting episode that I can't wait to get your feelings on. But before that, I want to do the thing that I love to do with those of us cast members. Right. Which is really so interesting on so many levels. And as you said when you sat down, it's very meta. Right.

Sarita Choudhury (4:54)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (4:55)

Because we're here on the podcast, which is kind of like a show.

Sarita Choudhury (4:58)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (4:58)

Talk about the old show. And then also. And just like that, because obviously you are an incredibly important part of. And just like that, which we love so much. And you're just a joy in so many ways. And I personally am just so thankful after having watched you for so many years and been a fan literally since Mississippi Masala, which was, you know, such a, like, still such a. Such a glorious and fascinating, like, just bam. Arrival, you know, Like, I just saw.

Sarita Choudhury (5:31)

It recently and even I was like, how come this movie had been made that long ago, 30 years ago.

Kristen Davis (5:37)

Exactly.

Sarita Choudhury (5:38)

Because it's a comedy. It's very political.

Kristen Davis (5:40)

Right.

Sarita Choudhury (5:40)

It's a love story.

Kristen Davis (5:41)

It's between you and Denzel Washington. Oh, my God.

Sarita Choudhury (5:45)

Which. Thank God. I. I mean, obviously I knew he had just won the Oscar for Glory. He was still new on the scene.

Kristen Davis (5:54)

New ish.

Sarita Choudhury (5:55)

Yeah, new ish. And like, I couldn't do that now. Like, there has. There's something about being naive that allows you to. Cause at that age, you're just trying to be cool and make sure your hair is doing this when it walks by.

Kristen Davis (6:08)

Totally.

Sarita Choudhury (6:09)

That's all you're thinking about. Whereas now I would die, of course.

Kristen Davis (6:12)

And I don't even know how.

Sarita Choudhury (6:15)

Yeah, exactly.

Kristen Davis (6:15)

I can't even imagine. And you were so present.

Sarita Choudhury (6:20)

Well, to you, when you see it. But I remember the director, Mira, saying at one point, I feel like you never really look at him in the eye. And I. Which was true. Cause I was too shy. And I remember saying, well, I'm saving that for the love scene. But it was a fake answer.

Kristen Davis (6:39)

But what a great answer.

Sarita Choudhury (6:40)

And then that's actually what happened. Oh, my God. Because I was so here. I just thought, if I look at him, that's enough. You know, Heights.

Kristen Davis (6:49)

Oh, amazing. So amazing. And sometimes I'll be on a plane and I'll just be watching something that. Cause I've watched everything. Right. And there's Sarita. Oh, my gosh. There's Sarita. Like in the green. What's the green thing? And you're like.

Sarita Choudhury (7:02)

This is the Green Knight.

Kristen Davis (7:03)

Yes.

Sarita Choudhury (7:04)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (7:05)

I mean, you just play such amazing and fascinating characters, and you're always. I'm just. I just always want you to be on screen.

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Sarita Choudhury (7:13)

Oh, my God. That's such a. I do. On a bad day. I'm gonna re. Listen to this. That sentence.

Kristen Davis (7:19)

Well, I don't ever want you to have a bad day, but if you do, please, please, please just call me and I will.

Sarita Choudhury (7:25)

I'm just happy that we're talking. Because if you think about it, we don't have scenes together.

Kristen Davis (7:29)

Exactly.

Sarita Choudhury (7:29)

Except a group scene. And on those group days, it's so fun because you and I chat a lot and we'll like. I remember we were doing the Halloween oh, my God.

Kristen Davis (7:39)

Episode.

Sarita Choudhury (7:39)

And I was sitting. And I think I was talking with Sarah Jessica and Nicole. And do you know who else was there? Maybe Cynthia. And we were talking. I was confessing to something. And you were way over there. And there was something about you that knew, you know me. Kind of oddly, you could hear and you ran over and you said, what are you saying? And I was like, wait, I've been talking for a long time and this. And you were like, no, you just said something and it was wild. And I remember thinking, how does she. She kind of. You have antenna for me.

Kristen Davis (8:10)

I do definitely have antenna for me.

Sarita Choudhury (8:12)

And I have it for you. And I remember early on you helped me a lot in like the second episode of season one. The second episode of season one, I was in a hallway and I. Oh, I remember this.

Kristen Davis (8:24)

And you just said, how are you feeling?

Sarita Choudhury (8:25)

And I was like, woo. I just. It was a lot for me. Yeah. And you took me into a side conference room and we had a great chat. And I just remember thinking, oh, if she can relate to this, this means I don't have to get comfortable too early. I have time.

Kristen Davis (8:43)

Yes. You know, yes. And I think too. And I mean, this is really what I wanted to start with because for us, we knew that bringing in new people was what we wanted to do, but we also had some understanding of the fact that it would be strange to be that new person.

Sarita Choudhury (8:59)

Right, right.

Kristen Davis (9:00)

And not that we could necessarily understand all the different ways that it would be strange. Sure. But we just knew in general that it would be strange and really, really wanted to make it a welcoming, you know, the transition as much as possible so that you could feel comfortable. Because when I look back at the early seasons, that was me. I mean, all I see is my anxiety.

Sarita Choudhury (9:22)

That's what you kind of told me and helped me. Because I think also we forget that you had that beginning. So when you confessed all of it to me, it just. Something happened to me where I was like, I may not get it till season two. That's fine.

Kristen Davis (9:38)

Totally.

Sarita Choudhury (9:39)

I'm just. They didn't hire me to get it, they hired me to join and. Absolutely.

Kristen Davis (9:44)

And the truth is, just being present is all that's required. And you absolutely are. You don't have to be like, good in the heels, good with the props, blah, blah, blah. No one even knows all that stuff. No, I mean, it's fun for us to talk about it and sometimes I think it's fun for people to hear about it.

Sarita Choudhury (9:59)

Totally.

Kristen Davis (9:59)

But those are not the important parts. The important parts is just being present. And to me, you know, you are the most grounded.

Sarita Choudhury (10:08)

Oh, wow.

Kristen Davis (10:08)

You really are like, just like, er, just so grounded. Which is why I think watching you do all of the Seema things, which I know are not you, you know, at all. I mean, you have your own very, very interesting Situation in life and, you know, talking to you about your travels and your life and your world, it's like it could be a whole show in and of itself. Right. But it's not Seema.

Sarita Choudhury (10:34)

No, I don't navigate the world like Seema.

Kristen Davis (10:36)

Not at all.

Sarita Choudhury (10:37)

But you know what was really helpful, I think when after that conversation with you and then Sarah Jessica also was very. I remember she didn't try to fix anything. If she saw me kind of trying to figure something out, she just let it be. And I was like, oh, okay. And also mpk, it was like I was part of some new clown class, but for glamour. And. And when you guys were. When he was on your. On this podcast, when you guys. Which I couldn't get over that story you told about the dunes and having to sit in a chair like position before you pop up pretending to be.

Kristen Davis (11:15)

In heels in sand in the desert.

Sarita Choudhury (11:19)

Those loudspeakers that always sound muffled. You don't know what they're saying.

Kristen Davis (11:23)

You can't tell what they're saying.

Sarita Choudhury (11:24)

When you told that story, it made me think. When I joined, I was like, okay, MPK's got this kind of brilliance at clown math, which you use the word precise with him. I started to realize, oh, okay, it's very precise. But what I realized, he wants you to bring you with precision. Whereas when you join a show like this, you think, I just have to be precise and do this other thing. And when you start to realize you want my heart with that precision, then I got it totally. And then I started having fun. But he was so good at being like, sridha. It's what you do that I love. And yes, you have to put the cup down and walk in the heels and light the cigarette. You have to do all that. And that's your homework. And that was the. I love his comedy training.

Kristen Davis (12:24)

I know. It's very specific and unique. Right?

Sarita Choudhury (12:27)

It's a math class. It is. It's like physics. It is. We deserve a diploma degree. Degree.

Kristen Davis (12:34)

I agree totally. I agree totally. So let's backtrack a little bit because I know I've asked you this in private and I'm sure so many people have, so I apologize. But I do love to have it on record.

Sarita Choudhury (12:43)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (12:44)

Like, when did you watch Sex and the City in your life? And what were your thoughts before you ever, like, medicine came.

Sarita Choudhury (12:52)

Right. So when I moved to New York, the only reason I think I came to it late was, you know, when you move to a city, you don't necessarily have apartments with TVs or with cable. So there was a lot of delay in. You just watch whatever the boyfriend you're with at the time or you're not really. You don't have a. You're always out also.

Kristen Davis (13:16)

Right.

Sarita Choudhury (13:18)

But I came to it. There was a summer in Italy where I was going through heartbreak and I was staying in my friend Paolo's apartment and he had left, and I was staying there for two weeks and he had the tapes and I started watching and it helped me with my heartbreak. So I was a bit. I got a bit addicted. So I was supposed to be out in the city of Rome and instead I was home a lot and I got really addicted and it became this private secret. Cause I didn't want to say. I went to Italy and I watched Sex and City. Do you know what I mean? I was supposed to be on a Vespa with a guy and I. It helped me.

Kristen Davis (13:59)

That was what you needed.

Sarita Choudhury (14:00)

I needed it.

Kristen Davis (14:01)

Yeah. Yeah.

Sarita Choudhury (14:02)

And even rewatching it. I'm sure this happens to you rewatching the old. The early episodes. It's so good.

Kristen Davis (14:09)

Yeah.

Sarita Choudhury (14:10)

And why it holds up now, where we should be moved on from a lot of these things we were concerned about. They're still kind of fresh, 100%.

Kristen Davis (14:19)

I know, it's wild. It is wild. I mean, that was really why I wanted to do the podcast. But I was thinking there would be a lot more things that weren't true.

Sarita Choudhury (14:26)

Right.

Kristen Davis (14:27)

But I mean, there's like technical changes, right? Like dating apps, whatever, blah, blah, as you so wonderfully portray and just like that. But the elements, the issues, the internal parts are exactly the same.

Sarita Choudhury (14:41)

It shocked me. I was watching some the other night and I was like, why am I relating so well? Yeah. It almost makes me relieved not to be in my 20s and 30s, kind of.

Kristen Davis (14:52)

It definitely makes me relieved not to be in my 20s and 30s, because I do think that, like, the. I went to this event last night here at I Heart, and this adorable woman came up to me. It was so many adorable fans. It was an advertising thing, but they were fans. They were just so sweet and so many different ages. And, you know, that's like, very gratifying. Totally. To see.

Sarita Choudhury (15:13)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (15:14)

And when I was meeting a bunch of people and this one woman said, I just have to talk to you because I went on this date last night. It was an incredible first date. And it was through one of the apps, and he brought me flowers. And then today he said, I don't want another date. And I was like, oh, my God. Let's sit down. Let's talk.

Sarita Choudhury (15:29)

You're so cute. You sat down with her.

Kristen Davis (15:30)

Well, because I'm in it too. You know what I'm saying? As you and I, you know, being single women and we don't.

Sarita Choudhury (15:37)

We're not on the apps. So it's like you're weirder.

Kristen Davis (15:39)

Exactly. But I'm trying to understand the apps. Right. So people keep talking to me about the apps and I'm fascinated. As we talk about in the show as well. I will. It's confusing. Okay.

Sarita Choudhury (15:50)

Sure.

Kristen Davis (15:50)

It's not great news. I don't think. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. I feel for the, for the 20s and 30s. I really feel for them because I do feel like now there's this incredible pressure to be on the apps. Right. Like everyone's supposed to be on the apps and it's supposed to go great. And I do know people who've met their. Right. But, but from what I'm hearing on a day to day basis, it's a hot mess.

Sarita Choudhury (16:14)

It's a hot mess. And a lot of work.

Kristen Davis (16:16)

And a lot of work and a lot of time. 100%, which I do not have. And I'm very scared and I don't want to go on there. Yeah.

Sarita Choudhury (16:22)

And also I don't want to become dumber with that work. You know, it's the same time it takes to read a book. So how do you gauge? You know what I mean? Well put. Well put.

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Sarita Choudhury (20:52)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (20:52)

And I mean, when we were starting in the beginning, it was radical. Yeah, it was radical and shocking and like divisive.

Sarita Choudhury (21:01)

It still kind of. When I was watching episodes, I was like, this is still radical.

Kristen Davis (21:06)

Right. But yet people will say to me, oh, I put this on the background at nighttime before I'm going to bed, because it makes me feel good.

Sarita Choudhury (21:13)

Well, I relate to the feel good because we're such messed up human beings. And the show reflects that. Yes. And so it's radical in that it doesn't cover that up. And that is super comforting.

Kristen Davis (21:28)

I think that's right.

Sarita Choudhury (21:28)

You know, I think that's right. Yeah.

Kristen Davis (21:31)

You go like, well, they're in it too.

Sarita Choudhury (21:33)

Oh my God. And also a lot of wrong things happen in the show. Like people like Anne. Back then when I watched this episode, I was like, whoa, there's some politically incorrect stuff that is wild. But I grew up with that and that kind of comedy. So I oddly miss it, even though I'm glad times have changed. Of course, you know, we're not saying certain things.

Kristen Davis (21:57)

Yeah.

Sarita Choudhury (21:59)

But how things have changed. What we didn't pull with it enough, I think, is that audacity and wild. Inappropriate. Because we are inappropriate at times. Yeah.

Kristen Davis (22:10)

People are crazy.

Sarita Choudhury (22:11)

People are crazy.

Kristen Davis (22:12)

People are crazy for sure. And that's also, I mean, first of all, the first season, when I watched the first season, I was like, every man here is awful. When I rewatched, like shockingly awful. But I also remember being back then and they all seem familiar and they were all based on real stories.

Sarita Choudhury (22:29)

That's interesting.

Kristen Davis (22:30)

You know what I'm saying? And I think that was just. We were just like used to that. Do you know what I'm saying?

Sarita Choudhury (22:34)

Yes, I do.

Kristen Davis (22:35)

We were used to like withholding and you know, we like.

Sarita Choudhury (22:38)

It was normal to us.

Kristen Davis (22:40)

Exactly. We didn't think twice about it.

Sarita Choudhury (22:42)

That's interesting. And now you look at it and you go, woo. Boo.

Kristen Davis (22:45)

Right now. I don't think necessarily that people are any better. Do you know what I mean? I don't. I just think maybe like how we talk about it is different, maybe. And. Or I feel, and I could be wrong, but I feel like women are more powerful in the mix. I hope I'm right.

Sarita Choudhury (23:07)

I think you're right. What I wonder is what happens when women get more powerful. But then the new ways of the apps and the still lack of natural collision is what happens when you get more powerful, and you can't use that power. I don't know.

Kristen Davis (23:26)

And this is where we're at. I think this is where we're at, right? Because one of the things that, like, this woman was saying to me last night, and I have this guy who showed me his Raya, and I'm just, like, still trying to process. And then I had this other guy come on. An actor from the show told me, who told me, like, why aren't you on Raya? And I was like, ah, I can't go on that thing. I don't know what to do. And then he was like, oh, you know, you go on. And then you swipe left, right. This is what I've learned. And then he said to me that you text and then you sext before you meet them.

Sarita Choudhury (23:59)

Hold on. You text and then you sext before.

Kristen Davis (24:04)

This is what Mark Feuerstein told me.

Sarita Choudhury (24:06)

So then.

Kristen Davis (24:07)

I'm still shocked. Okay. People are nodding. All right. In this room. All right? The youngsters are nodding.

Sarita Choudhury (24:12)

But how can you. What the. If you haven't.

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Sarita Choudhury (24:15)

Okay, so it's based on the text and the picture.

Kristen Davis (24:19)

Yes. They're laughing at us, Sari. Yes.

Sarita Choudhury (24:22)

Oh, I got. I know you are. That's. That's what's funny. We are like.

Kristen Davis (24:26)

I. I'm honest 100%, but is it not fascinating? So. So first of all, I could never.

Sarita Choudhury (24:34)

I love that you're also teaching me this, which you just. You just learned it, and you're teaching me. And I'm like, oh, my God.

Kristen Davis (24:39)

I'm in the mix. I'm trying to figure it out. Right. But it's weird.

Sarita Choudhury (24:43)

So what did they say to that? Like, what's.

Kristen Davis (24:45)

Well, so I'm talking to this young man. I'm not gonna say who he is. Okay.

Sarita Choudhury (24:50)

Okay.

Kristen Davis (24:50)

But he is a friend's son, and he's 31, and he's, you know, got it all going on. Right? And he was like, what do you mean you're not on Raya? And I'm like, ah. You know? So he's like, let me show it to you. So he gets out his Raya, and he's scrolling through all the ladies, all the ladies that he's texting, but there's so many. Okay. Most of them are not on.

Sarita Choudhury (25:11)

Quickly.

Kristen Davis (25:12)

Yeah. Quicker than I would have liked. I was like, slow down. I wanna read. But I don't think he really wanted me to read. And they're not weari. So that's one thing to say. You know what I'm saying, like, they're creatively scantily clad. Not, like, obvious, but, like, you know, just creatively, like, I'm.

Sarita Choudhury (25:30)

People must be so confused right now. Cause we play characters that are oftenly, often scantily clad. And yet.

Kristen Davis (25:37)

That's true.

Sarita Choudhury (25:38)

I'm literally like this. Like. No, that's funny.

Kristen Davis (25:42)

Playing a character is different than life.

Sarita Choudhury (25:44)

I totally agreed. But as you know, people confuse that.

Kristen Davis (25:47)

That's so true and Good point. And you just really beautifully were sk this past season. I mean, a lot. Sometimes Molly, our costumer, would show me pictures. I'd be like, no.

Sarita Choudhury (25:57)

Sometimes it's all about how I get to set to the bed and get under the.

Kristen Davis (26:03)

It's all the crew.

Sarita Choudhury (26:04)

I don't want them to have to.

Kristen Davis (26:05)

Like, I'm with you, babe.

Sarita Choudhury (26:06)

Watch me.

Kristen Davis (26:07)

Well, they want to watch you, but I understand. I understand.

Sarita Choudhury (26:10)

That's where I think more shyness comes than the millions who are going to see.

Kristen Davis (26:14)

Of course. Well, because you're in the scene and you're paying attention to Marshall or who. You know what I mean?

Sarita Choudhury (26:18)

Totally.

Kristen Davis (26:19)

Logan. Sorry.

Sarita Choudhury (26:20)

Totally.

Kristen Davis (26:21)

So many names.

Sarita Choudhury (26:21)

So many names.

Kristen Davis (26:22)

Beautiful. All interesting names. Yes. But. But yeah, once you're in, You're. You're in the scene. But getting into the scene is a very. It's like the transition between Sarita and Seema.

Sarita Choudhury (26:32)

No, it just takes one person to be like, oh, sweetie, let me. And you're. The towel drops, and you're like. You're internally screaming. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Kristen Davis (26:41)

Totally.

Sarita Choudhury (26:42)

But going back to.

Kristen Davis (26:43)

Back to the ladies on riot. The ladies are creatively scantily clad, right? Like, they're hiking, and they just happen to be wearing a very small, small sports bra or whatever, you know, and they're like, I'm hiking. So, you know, stuff like that. And then he's showing me the texts, right? And I'm trying to read, but he's going too fast.

Sarita Choudhury (26:59)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (27:00)

And I mean, I didn't see any naked pictures, but I'm sure that was on purpose joining me. And I'm sure they were there, and he just didn't want to tell me. And then at a certain point, I say, well, what happens with these women? Like, you're texting with all these women. What happens? He goes, oh, then I just ghost them. And I'm like, wait, wait, what?

Sarita Choudhury (27:15)

Why?

Kristen Davis (27:16)

And he goes, well. Cause I get, you know, I got a hit. I got, like a positive, you know, dopamine rush or whatever, and I'm. I'm good then.

Sarita Choudhury (27:24)

Whoa.

Kristen Davis (27:25)

I know.

Sarita Choudhury (27:26)

I don't like that, Right?

Kristen Davis (27:28)

It's sad. And this is somebody.

Sarita Choudhury (27:30)

And he admits it with no shame.

Kristen Davis (27:35)

Definitely didn't seem to be feeling shame.

Sarita Choudhury (27:37)

Are we still in dinosaur therapy land? Like, are you guys like, oh, my God, no one's gonna care about this. Except are.

Kristen Davis (27:44)

Listen, baby, this is my podcast.

Sarita Choudhury (27:46)

So he says it can talk more like he. True. He says it more like, oh, no, this is the good side of it that he gets out of it.

Kristen Davis (27:55)

Well, he was trying to tell me to be on it, number one. Number two, he was trying to explain it. And then number three, that was just like, I think the truth. I mean, I felt in the moment it was the truth. And the thing that I think is interesting about this is that this is a person who I would put on, like a high emotional intelligence quotient.

Sarita Choudhury (28:15)

Right.

Kristen Davis (28:16)

He's a super smart guy. He's been in therapy, he's sober. There's a lot of positives. So I was shocked.

Sarita Choudhury (28:22)

Thrown by it.

Kristen Davis (28:22)

Right. But I think the important thing to think about. Okay, if we think about, like, say, Instagram, right. Which I fully am addicted to Instagram.

Sarita Choudhury (28:29)

Yeah, fully.

Kristen Davis (28:31)

You know, you're getting some dopamine from it or you're scrolling until you get the dopamine. Right. So I don't know why it would be different. Do you know what I'm trying to say?

Sarita Choudhury (28:39)

Well, I guess because if you're already at the point of sexting someone, because on Instagram, we're not. We're interacting with ourselves.

Kristen Davis (28:49)

Yes. And.

Sarita Choudhury (28:50)

And what?

Kristen Davis (28:50)

We're not sexting anybody on Instagram.

Sarita Choudhury (28:52)

Definitely not.

Kristen Davis (28:53)

No.

Sarita Choudhury (28:53)

So I guess no feelings are hurt. I always get worried feelings are hurt.

Kristen Davis (28:56)

I'm trying to say is that I don't think they think they're real people. I don't think they're real people. Yeah, yeah. Necessarily. I'm not saying that's a. I don't know if that's true, but I feel like it is. I feel like it's not that big of a leap for the young people.

Sarita Choudhury (29:11)

It's a seat, though, because they're like, Kristin, you should be on these. And you can't even get beyond the. Why are you scrolling so fast?

Kristen Davis (29:17)

Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? It would do.

Sarita Choudhury (29:19)

It would be fascinating how you would navigate an app.

Kristen Davis (29:23)

Yeah, I know. I mean, Nicole seems to think that I should do it, and she wants to do it for me, but I'm like, nicole, I'm very, very scared, and I don't want to do it. You know what I'm saying?

Sarita Choudhury (29:30)

I love that Because Nicole, I feel, would never do it for herself.

Kristen Davis (29:34)

I don't think so either. I tried to get her to say if she would or wouldn' but it's impossible for her to imagine being single, obviously. You know what I mean? Which I get. Which I get. Yes. But her point was, you know, there was a point in time when the kids were little and we would say, Boris. And I would say to the kids, we're going out. And they would be like, what? She was trying to say that I should take time for myself and that that time should be spent dating. Which to me, I'm like, I would like to take time for myself to go on a hike. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Sarita Choudhury (30:01)

Well, I think you don't have an. An opinion until you need it. Like, if you fell in love, you'd have an opinion. Well, for sure. Because until you have that crush or love. What is all this talk?

Kristen Davis (30:16)

It's theoretical. It's very theoretical. But isn't it fascinating?

Sarita Choudhury (30:19)

It is.

Kristen Davis (30:19)

Yes, it is. And I do feel like when we were talking about watching the show and thinking, you know, we're happy that we're not in our 20s and 30s.

Sarita Choudhury (30:26)

Right.

Kristen Davis (30:26)

And I think, because when I watch this show, and in particular this episode, the first Buddy episode, I found it depressing.

Sarita Choudhury (30:32)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (30:33)

Now sometimes I watch this show and I find it super invigorating.

Sarita Choudhury (30:36)

Me, too.

Kristen Davis (30:37)

And I think it's great. And we're powerful and we're. Yes, we're messy, but we're powerful, messy. And we have each other. Right. But the Fuck Buddy, for some reason, really made me sad.

Sarita Choudhury (30:48)

That's so funny, because the whole time I was like, why did Kristen pick this one for me to watch? Like, I couldn't.

Kristen Davis (30:53)

I'm sorry.

Sarita Choudhury (30:53)

No. And I. And then I realized it's not even personal. Like, it's.

Kristen Davis (30:57)

I just warned you on the show.

Sarita Choudhury (30:59)

But it did. It also made me. There was a melancholy in there, a tawdriness.

Kristen Davis (31:06)

Most definitely.

Sarita Choudhury (31:07)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (31:07)

And I don't feel like there necessarily should be. Right. Like, you should be able to have a fuck buddy. Do you know what I mean? Not you, Sarita, but anyone should be able to have that. And then I think the sadness is that, you know, Dean Winters plays that character so well, beautifully, and I want him to come on the show. I don't know where he is, but, Dean, hello.

Sarita Choudhury (31:27)

Such a great guy. Like, he should definitely be on.

Kristen Davis (31:29)

He'd love this show. I know. I don't know where he is. Dean, we need you to come on.

Sarita Choudhury (31:32)

We need you.

Kristen Davis (31:33)

We have a. We have a. I have like a side up. So to do Catching Up With Friends. Dean needs to be on Catching Up With Friends.

Sarita Choudhury (31:38)

Nice.

Kristen Davis (31:38)

Anyway. But also some fans have been on Instagram asking for Dean. So you know he needs to come on. But he, I think he plays the part so beautifully and there is such a sadness at the end.

Sarita Choudhury (31:51)

I was shocked by that.

Kristen Davis (31:52)

Right.

Sarita Choudhury (31:53)

Because you don't expect that. The way he looks at her, it's almost like he knows what she has decided and he's not even doing the line of like, oh well, I have to get up early too. Too quickly. He's just kind of looking at her as he says it. It's almost the beginning of what could be romance.

Kristen Davis (32:12)

I know. But then it isn't. And it's sad because they know you.

Sarita Choudhury (32:18)

Can'T recover no from gone pace.

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Sarita Choudhury (36:38)

I'm just realizing he said that.

Kristen Davis (36:40)

Right?

Sarita Choudhury (36:41)

That was interesting casting, wasn't it? Like straight up from with early episodes. Right? The early episodes are wild.

Kristen Davis (36:48)

I know. So wild and crazy.

Sarita Choudhury (36:50)

They're like a needle with heroin mixed in with like a high heel.

Kristen Davis (36:55)

Crazy. It's so true. It's so true. Okay, so here we are and here's Carrie and Skipper, which really cracks me up.

Sarita Choudhury (37:03)

Cracks me up. Just them walking, right?

Kristen Davis (37:05)

And like, why is Carrie friends with Skipper?

Sarita Choudhury (37:07)

Yeah. And she's eating. I love that scene. See, I remember details. You do. I love it. Because that's what you think. You're like, who is this? Why is she. That's what you think. And that's when you know the show is good. Cause you're like, look at all our friends in New York.

Kristen Davis (37:23)

That's true.

Sarita Choudhury (37:24)

It just situated me in New York. That wouldn't happen anywhere else.

Kristen Davis (37:27)

No, you're absolutely 100% right. And it's also like, the people kind of come and go, and then you reconnect. You know what I mean? It's interesting. And then later, Miranda sees Skipper on the street, which is so real.

Sarita Choudhury (37:38)

So real.

Kristen Davis (37:39)

So real. And she's trying to catch up with him. He's like, ah, he's all very angry. Which kind of funny.

Sarita Choudhury (37:43)

And then he's turned on. Cause he's angry.

Kristen Davis (37:45)

Right. Which is depressing. Okay, yeah, that's back up. So then we see Miranda on a date with his super angry guy. And it's funny because Miranda is technically the angriest of us. Right?

Sarita Choudhury (37:58)

Right.

Kristen Davis (37:59)

So it's so interesting to see her being someone who's like, exponentially more angry than her.

Sarita Choudhury (38:04)

Completely.

Kristen Davis (38:05)

And she's like the caretaker.

Sarita Choudhury (38:07)

And also, it's weird to see a character like him. Because when we lived in our version of New York, no one had a boyfriend like him.

Kristen Davis (38:17)

But there were a lot of guys like that.

Sarita Choudhury (38:19)

No, mostly guys like that.

Kristen Davis (38:21)

Yeah. Cause I was a waitress at that point.

Sarita Choudhury (38:22)

Oh, for sure. No, me too. I was a waitress. But I was a waitress in a place. Like, even a guy like him didn't come that much. So then when I saw it, I remember thinking, oh, my God, those were the guys that I would be scared to go on a date with. 100% on every level.

Kristen Davis (38:37)

Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, I do love, in a way that Miranda is on a date with him. Because she's not scared. Right? Miranda's not scared. And she's not. She's not cowed by him. Right. But it is interesting to see her kind of going to the caretaking. I'm gonna wipe this glass off so he doesn't yell at the waitress. Like, it's all very interesting and slightly odd. You know what I mean? Right. It's super, super interesting. Meryl Marco, and I hope I get this right, was the executive producer of Letterman. And previously, I think, had been a comic. And I remember that she was a big influence on Darren in terms of New York. And you Know the vibe. You know what I mean? And it was really cool to have her input. I don't think she really.

Sarita Choudhury (39:24)

Oh, I'd love to look her up. Like, just what you just said. That's an interesting person.

Kristen Davis (39:28)

Oh, this is a funny, funny episode. I forgot about this scene. This is a scene where we have the picnic in the park.

Sarita Choudhury (39:35)

And first of all, when you guys arrive, also, Kristin, you literally sometimes look like a schoolgirl.

Kristen Davis (39:43)

I know.

Sarita Choudhury (39:44)

And then other times, you look like breakfast at Tiffany's.

Kristen Davis (39:48)

Aw. You know, which brings me back to the scene, which is kind of funny, because this scene is like, you know, there are those certain outfits that are now, like, say, you know, Halloween costumes of Miranda or whatever. This is one of them where she's got a hood and then a hat over her hood.

Sarita Choudhury (40:03)

This is a picnic scene.

Kristen Davis (40:04)

Mm. And Sarah has two.

Sarita Choudhury (40:06)

Yeah. No, Miranda. I totally remember. It was like. Like incognito.

Kristen Davis (40:11)

Don't ask me what was going on, except that it was cold. Like, when I watch it, I remember that it was one of those weird friends where it would go up and then down and then up and then.

Sarita Choudhury (40:19)

Down, and then Sarah Jessica has.

Kristen Davis (40:20)

She has Heidi. Heidi ponytails.

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Kristen Davis (40:23)

And, like, a journal, which, you know, we're still. We're still in the journal world.

Sarita Choudhury (40:27)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (40:28)

And I just remember that I was sitting there and I would look at Sarah, who's in the Heidi outfit, and.

Sarita Choudhury (40:34)

You were like, what show am I in? I know.

Kristen Davis (40:35)

I was like, how could I not laugh?

Sarita Choudhury (40:37)

That is funny. I know.

Kristen Davis (40:39)

I just remember.

Sarita Choudhury (40:39)

Did they find it funny about themselves or they can see it because it was too cold?

Kristen Davis (40:43)

I mean, also, we're just trying to please Pat, I think, at that point, you know what I'm saying? Like, and we didn't really have the budget, and we're just still trying to find ourselves, and I don't know. What the heck, man.

Sarita Choudhury (40:55)

No. I'm kind of getting moved by how much. In your own heads, you must have been like, I wonder if this show.

Kristen Davis (41:01)

Is gonna work, because we still don't know. We still don't know. Everyone says to me, when they come on actors, other actors, you know, who were on the show back then, that it was the hottest thing. And I'm like, nah, I don't think so. In season two, I don't think so. I didn't feel that way.

Sarita Choudhury (41:17)

You know? And also, you don't know that way, because back then, there wasn't Instagram. There wasn't things telling you. Except the reviews.

Kristen Davis (41:23)

Yes. Which were not good. Cause they were older white men who were like, who are these women? Yeah.

Sarita Choudhury (41:30)

You had no idea.

Kristen Davis (41:30)

Who do they think they are?

Sarita Choudhury (41:32)

I love this. I'm glad.

Kristen Davis (41:34)

I'm glad. So then. So we have this picnic in the park, and we talk about. Carrie says, single and fabulous.

Sarita Choudhury (41:42)

Oh, oh, oh, the poncho.

Kristen Davis (41:43)

The poncho. She's wearing the poncho over the journal. It's very cool. She takes it off, that comes back. And then just like that. And my pretend daughter Kathy puts it on. Lily. Sorry. Lily puts it on. Do you remember this scene?

Sarita Choudhury (41:55)

Yes, I totally remember.

Kristen Davis (41:56)

And then at some point, Kathy told me when she came on the podcast that she told Sarah Jessica that she didn't know how to put it on. Right. Or something.

Sarita Choudhury (42:03)

I don't know.

Kristen Davis (42:04)

Kathy was like, I made a faux pas. And I was like, what? I don't know.

Sarita Choudhury (42:08)

And she probably didn't.

Kristen Davis (42:09)

I know. I'm sure she didn't. But it was really cute. It was really, really cute. So it's a good poncho. Sarah loves a poncho, as we know.

Sarita Choudhury (42:17)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (42:17)

She wears them well.

Sarita Choudhury (42:18)

She wears them well. I don't understand ponchos.

Kristen Davis (42:23)

Even with all of your travels.

Sarita Choudhury (42:25)

I don't understand covering, all the effort you make. That's true.

Kristen Davis (42:30)

I don't understand. It is a very. Covering.

Sarita Choudhury (42:32)

It's like a blanket. I don't understand it.

Kristen Davis (42:33)

It is like a blanket. It is like a blanket.

Sarita Choudhury (42:37)

I don't understand. We're so insecure as people.

Kristen Davis (42:41)

Yes.

Sarita Choudhury (42:41)

And we always try and use the one thing we feel a bit secure about, whatever it is.

Kristen Davis (42:45)

Yes.

Sarita Choudhury (42:46)

And I feel like the poncho just negates all of it. So I'm like.

Kristen Davis (42:49)

But this is what I love about Sarah Jessica.

Sarita Choudhury (42:50)

Yes.

Kristen Davis (42:52)

The rules do not apply.

Sarita Choudhury (42:53)

They don't apply. And also, like, her charm, it comes from somewhere else. Like, other people have to create that. She. It's a different vibration.

Kristen Davis (43:06)

It's a vibration. Definitely.

Sarita Choudhury (43:08)

It's the way she listens. It's another thing.

Kristen Davis (43:11)

I agree.

Sarita Choudhury (43:12)

I agree.

Kristen Davis (43:12)

And that's why you can't really copy it.

Sarita Choudhury (43:14)

True.

Kristen Davis (43:14)

You can try, but true. You know, it's not. It's not wise, I personally don't think, to just try to copy it. You know what I mean? No offense to all the girls on Instagram.

Sarita Choudhury (43:23)

You're so trying.

Kristen Davis (43:24)

I'm sorry.

Sarita Choudhury (43:24)

That's why it never works. Or sometimes, you know when someone says to you, oh, my God, you look so good today, and then you wear that outfit again. Yeah. What they don't realize is they're Saying that because probably something else. Maybe you had the best sex of your life the night before and it's showing in your cheeks.

Kristen Davis (43:39)

Or maybe you had a really good cup of coffee.

Sarita Choudhury (43:41)

Yes. Or maybe you're very sad. You know how sadness makes you look beautiful, but it's definitely not just the.

Kristen Davis (43:46)

No, that's so true. But then you do think, like, well, that was a good outfit. I'm gonna rewear.

Sarita Choudhury (43:49)

Try it again then.

Kristen Davis (43:50)

Yeah. And it doesn't work out. It's so true. You're so smart.

Sarita Choudhury (43:54)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (43:54)

So smart. So smart. Okay, so this is when. So this has made me laugh. So Carrie's in her apartment and she's wondering also, can I just say, do you ever think about this when you're watching the show? We say, and just like that, almost every episode. And I never realized it. Like, literally, I thought we said, and just like that. Miranda became a mother when she has Brady.

Sarita Choudhury (44:18)

Oh, in the old ones.

Kristen Davis (44:19)

Yeah. We say it, like, every episode.

Sarita Choudhury (44:21)

I am shocked. I was gonna bring it up, but then I thought, Kristen already knows that and I don't want to look.

Kristen Davis (44:25)

No. Every time I'm like, oh, my God.

Sarita Choudhury (44:28)

I literally noticed it. And it's kind of blowing my mind because I was like, wait a minute. I didn't never notice it.

Kristen Davis (44:35)

Me neither. Me neither. But it just flows so easily.

Sarita Choudhury (44:38)

Easily.

Kristen Davis (44:38)

Because when we decided to create and just like that, I thought, why are we calling it? And just like that.

Sarita Choudhury (44:44)

And no one said this. No.

Kristen Davis (44:46)

And I. Because I was scared to say that I didn't know why we were calling it that.

Sarita Choudhury (44:50)

I love it. We always say we're in trouble.

Kristen Davis (44:51)

I know.

Sarita Choudhury (44:52)

So funny.

Kristen Davis (44:53)

I know. We're like, I. I assume I should know this. And then someone else told me it was because when Miranda had Brady, Carrie's voiceover says, and just like that, Miranda. And I was like, oh, okay. That's a good reason. That's a good reason. I didn't realize you literally say it every. Every episode. It's fascinating.

Sarita Choudhury (45:07)

Yeah.

Kristen Davis (45:08)

You guys, this is so much fun that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on rus. Charlotte.

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