The Girls go to Hollywood with Jennifer Elise Cox... (S3 E14 "Sex and Another City")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

The Girls Go to Hollywood with Jennifer Elise Cox

(S3 E14: "Sex and Another City")

Release Date: February 12, 2026
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Jennifer Elise Cox

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Are You A Charlotte?, Kristin Davis welcomes back actress and comedic icon Jennifer Elise Cox for Part 2 of their deep dive into Season 3, Episode 14 of Sex and the City: “Sex and Another City.” The conversation is a blend of hilarious nostalgia, behind-the-scenes revelations, and cultural commentary as they revisit the LA-centric escapades of Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda, and Samantha.

Kristin and Jennifer move fluidly between scene analysis, industry anecdotes, fashion and beauty secrets, and contemporary parallels—including the phenomenon of Heated Rivalry and the current climate of TV production. The tone is heartfelt, candid, and infused with self-deprecating humor, making for an engaging rehash for both longtime fans and new listeners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hollywood Power Dynamics and the L.A. After-Party Scene

[02:27-04:38]

• The LA “power trip” culture is lovingly spoofed via SATC’s after-party gatekeeping.
• Jennifer Elise Cox: “Oh, my God. They're out there on a power trip. Right? Yeah. All right. Whatever makes you feel powerful.” (03:18)
• The Vince Vaughn storyline is dissected—how assistants in Hollywood can wield surprising influence.
• Comic confusion over celebrities sharing a single assistant: “Why were they all sharing an assistant? What on earth.” (Kristin, 07:15)

2. Makeup & Beauty Tales from the 90s SATC Set

[04:34-06:12]

• Kristin and Jennifer reminisce about the iconic dewy looks, sharing stories about “just rubbing palettes” all over themselves.
• Nostalgia for Trish McEvoy products and 90s makeup trends.
• Candid admissions—rosacea from product overload, insecurity about wrinkles at a young age.
• Kristin Davis: “The world was very hard on us at the time. Yeah. If we had lived through the 90s, we had been through the wringer.” (05:56)

3. LA vs New York: Vibe, Realness, and "Bougie" Evolution

[09:03-12:04]

• Observations on “realness” and shifting urban cultures: “I don’t feel like [the LA vs NY realness dichotomy] is so true anymore... New York has also really changed. It’s bougie.” (Kristin, 11:56)
• Jennifer, as a New York native, agrees: “It’s definitely bougier than it used to be.” (11:57)

4. The Fake Fendi Plotline – Fast Fashion Then and Now

[12:04-13:44]

• They revisit the Samantha/fake Fendi story and its contemporary relevance—citing increased awareness of labor practices and fast fashion.
• “We don’t ever mention child labor or anything because maybe that would be too heavy. But…there’s a lot more thought and education [now] into fast fashion versus real versus child labor.” (Kristin, 12:37)

5. LA Visuals, Outfits, and the Playboy Mansion

[10:41-11:56]

• The LA episodes are recalled as “jam-packed” and visually distinct, with “amped up outfits.”
• Charlotte’s visual evolution and costume stories, from the hat Samantha wears to Charlotte’s own giddy gallery looks.

6. The Miranda Storyline & Writer Pressures

[15:17-27:14]

• Miranda’s LA romance with the sitcom writer ‘Lou from Letterman’ is discussed—he feels pressured to stay fit even as an off-camera creative, reflecting writers’ own industry anxieties.
• “Nobody wants a fat story editor.” (Jennifer, 26:10)
• The parallels between writers’ on-screen characters and their real-life struggles with visibility and expectation in Hollywood.

7. Set Secrets: Shooting in NY, Apartment Geography, and Real Estate Drama

[22:05-25:41]

• Kristin uncovers the logistical reality of shooting on location and studio, including Gramercy Park politics and neighborhood resistance.
• “We had to film the front because we couldn’t recreate that. No way.” (Kristin, 25:38)

8. Charlotte’s Arc: Vulnerabilities and Marriage to Trey

[28:03-32:48]

• Kristin reflects with brutal honesty on Charlotte’s storylines with Trey, her self-doubt about certain performances, and the challenge of recurring emotional beats.
• “There are certain things that Charlotte does repetitively…and one of them is, like, to blurt things out emotionally…and so how do you make that different?” (Kristin, 30:17)
• The hosts praise each other’s acting and discuss the real emotional depth behind Charlotte’s journey.

9. The Pressures of Fashion, Body Image, and Fittings

[35:13-39:29]

• An exploration of the isolating and often stressful realities of fashion at the turn of the millennium, contrasting the glamour with behind-the-scenes difficulties.
• “Sometimes I would just bring a bag of my clothes… and I would hide it until I needed it.” (Kristin, 35:53)
• The evolution of Charlotte’s wardrobe as Pat Field (costume designer) and Kristin tried to fuse Upper East Side classicism with a fashion twist.

10. Heated Rivalry, Storytelling, and TV Today

[44:44-52:16]

• The phenomenon of Heated Rivalry as a new “collective viewing” event is analyzed through therapeutic and cultural lenses.
• Discussion about how SATC gave women permission to be flawed and candid, and how “corrective storytelling” differs in contemporary TV.
• “One of the things that the first show and definitely the second show did was show all the crazy, kind of bad, embarrassing things that could happen to you, right? And that you were going to be okay.” (Kristin, 45:59)
• Insights on industry shifts: “No one’s green lighting anything, really, because our business is upside down.” (Kristin, 49:29)
• Production freedom was key to SATC’s success: “We had no notes. That’s why [the show] is so good.” (Kristin, 51:10)

11. "Are You a Charlotte?" – Who Are We Really?

[51:31-53:18]

• A light-hearted closing riff about personal identity vis-à-vis SATC archetypes.
• Jennifer Elise Cox: “I wish I was a Charlotte. I'm a Carrie.” (51:38)
• Both women admit to being combinations of multiple characters.
• Kristin reveals she is, in reality, far more free-spirited and unplanned than Charlotte: “I am not at all like Charlotte. Not at all.” (52:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The world was very hard on us at the time. If you had lived through the 90s, you had been through the wringer.”
  — Kristin Davis (05:56)
• “Why were they all sharing an assistant? What on earth.”
  — Kristin Davis, dissecting the Hollywood party scene (07:15)
• “It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you.”
  — Kristin Davis, on vintage shopping and identity (19:03, echoed 41:38)
• “Nobody wants a fat story editor.”
  — Jennifer Elise Cox, quoting the episode and highlighting writer insecurities (26:10)
• “That’s the thing about acting… part of what you respond to is like energetics of people.”
  — Kristin Davis on the magic of casting and character energy (52:22)
• “You just thought… you have to be, like, the models or whatever the thing is, you know, that's put out there. And so all of us that were trying to act were just trying to fit in to what we thought they wanted from us.”
  — Kristin Davis, on body image and the pressures of 90s/00s television (35:13)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 02:27 — Start of main episode discussion, party and power-play in LA.
• 04:34 — Makeup on set, beauty memories, self-image.
• 07:57 — Vince Vaughn’s character, the LA home-buying and making out scenes.
• 10:41 — L.A. visual and cultural contrast with New York.
• 12:04 — Fast fashion and the “fake Fendi” storyline.
• 15:17 — Miranda’s LA story, hiking culture, and industry outlook.
• 22:05 — Friends references, filming locations, New York real estate trivia.
• 28:03 — Charlotte’s marital issues, performance reflections.
• 35:13 — Fashion industry anxieties, costume evolution behind Charlotte’s style.
• 44:44 — Reflections on rewatching and the resonance of Heated Rivalry.
• 51:31 — Personal “Are You A Charlotte?” quiz; identity and typecasting.

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Conclusion

This episode is a heartfelt, self-aware conversation blending sharp-witted show commentary with cultural analysis and personal anecdotes. Kristin and Jennifer lay bare the emotional, professional, and sartorial layers of SATC and their own journeys, reflecting on how much—and how little—has changed in the industry and in cultural attitudes toward women, sex, and self-image. They circle back to the power of shared storytelling and how both past and present TV phenomena create communal spaces for laughter, healing, and connection.

Recommendation:
Whether you’re a Charlotte, Carrie, Miranda, or Samantha (or a bit of each!), this episode will leave you laughing, reflecting, and eager to dive back into the world of Sex and the City.

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Transcript

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? We have the incredible Jennifer Elise Cox with us. Part two. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Okay, so we're outside. We've made it to where they're at your event where you don't let Samantha and Carrie into the after party. So mean of you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But because they haven't seen the movie.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Which is so L A.

[Kristen Davis]

So L A. And so funny that they're like no one sees the movie. No, we live for movies out here. People that. It's our job. It's a movie town.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You're like, definitely. No. And also now it is true. There's, like, little youngsters, like, you were at the time. Like, little people who. With those lists. Like, little young people.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, my God. They're out there. They're out there on a power trip, Right? Yeah. All right. Whatever makes you feel powerful.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally, totally. But you do it well. You wield your power well. So then they're like, oh, what are we going to do? So Samantha goes off to get the car, and of course, it's going to take an hour, which is so true. Maybe.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, my God. Especially at that time at an event.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. You are stuck, man.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And you might get another car. I did get another car one night. And you're just like, that's not my car.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. Sometimes you get in the wrong car. I've done that. I've done that. You just. You're just like, thank God a car is here. And you get in it, and then you realize, no, that's not right. No. But luckily, out strolls a very tall glass of water named Vince Vaughn, who's talking on the phone. This is when the confusion starts. He's talking on the phone about, like, he's saying something like, well, when she can get back to me, you know, tell her, you know, I'm in an event. I'm busy. Like, he seems very powerful in himself. Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But he's probably talking to Carrie Fisher, and she's like, get cat food.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Get the cat food.

[Kristen Davis]

Have no idea. Because he really pulls it off, right? Like, he really seems like, I hold the power. I hold the power. So he walks out, and of course, he's delicious looking and carries there. Looking also very delicious with a lot of highlighter on her face, I might add.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It is. And it's shiny.

[Kristen Davis]

It's shiny, man.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Pink highlighter. It looks beautiful.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. We used to have those palettes by. Oh, my God, I'm not gonna remember her name. She still makes makeup, but it's not so popular now as it was then. We had a palette. It had, like. Like, you know, white, pink, like, like, tanner, all shiny. And we would open the palette, and we would take our hand, we would just rub our face. I love it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love that you're talking about the makeup because they think people want to know about.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you think. Do you think Trish McAvoy is Trish McAvoy? Yes. And I mean, like, we went through them, like, where Our hands would be on the metal, you know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, my God.

[Kristen Davis]

And we would like our shoulders and our collarbone and our chin.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They must have given you a ton of makeup.

[Kristen Davis]

Actually, I don't think it had. Maybe third season is when it started coming good. Yeah. It came all kind of crazy makeup and skincare, and we would just use all of it. And I did end up ruining my skin.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, no.

[Kristen Davis]

I did. Yeah. I got rosacea because I would just put on whatever they sent.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, it was a big glycolic acid time.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, I don't like. No, no.

[Kristen Davis]

But I would just be slathering myself and whatever because I thought I had wrinkles. Ha. What on earth? Right, Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know. When you look at yourself when you're younger, we were so hard on ourselves.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I look at myself in that episode, and I was like, oh, I wish I looked like that.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, you're gorgeous. You're gorgeous now. Like, your eyes, you're. You know, you have all the things. But yes, back then, we were little babies, and we didn't know it, and we didn't know it. And also, the world was very hard on us at the time. Yeah. If we had lived through the 90s, we had been through the wringer.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They say most murders happened in the 90s.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Okay. That's a different podcast, Jennifer. Interesting, interesting. So out walks Keith Traverse, that is Vince Vaughn. And for some reason, he says, representing Matt Damon. Yeah. What's that to her? That's why she thinks he's an agent.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, right.

[Kristen Davis]

But it's interesting that he says that. But also then once he. So he gets them in the party, so he seems to actually have power, and then someone comes up to him and goes, hey, you know, there's a VIP room. So he. I mean, but that's. Cause he's an assistant to everybody, which we now know. Right, but they don't know this. And they don't even know the dynamic of an assistant having so much power, because, yes, assistants wield a lot of power, especially if you are somehow Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Carrie Fisher. And wait, there was Penny Marshall. Penny Marshall. Oh, my God. I mean, if you could manage those.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Four people, pretty amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right?

[Kristen Davis]

Like, why were they all sharing an assistant? What on earth.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Why were they sharing an assistant? And I love how in the episode they talk about, like, this home is so expensive, $3 million.

[Kristen Davis]

Every time they said it, I was dying. I was dying. Every time I said that, I was like, wait, wait, is that even accurate? Is that even accurate? I don't know. But also, we don't know how many bedrooms because they only go to that big room with the view.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But we. Anything for 3 million.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, anything anywhere. Yes, I'm with you. I'm like, what? What? Anyway, we're back to the episode. Lovely, beautiful Vince Vaughn walks out and he's like, so, so charming. Good God. Right? And Terry's like, giggling.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We're all so short. That's what's funny is everyone is like, he's a giant.

[Kristen Davis]

He's a giant and thin and dressed beautifully. I mean, he looks fantastic. Okay. It was very impressive. So. And then he's representing Matt Damon. So they go inside, and then he's like, oh, there's a VIP party. Then he asks her to go to lunch, and she agrees. But then they have to go look at this house. And it shows them driving up the hill. It's so la. Right? It reminded me of Hollywood Hills. Right, right. Yeah. And it reminded me of the studio. Did you watch the studio?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

And all those driving where they at that car episode where they're. They're driving from here to there to here to there. It reminded me of that. They drive up, they look at this incredible house. She thinks he's looking, and she's like, wow, why do you need base? And he's like, I guess I don't. And then they make out, which is also like, what?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They're making out against the glass. Like, they're almost doing it.

[Kristen Davis]

It's very hot. It's very hot. And then the realtor comes out. And then Sarah's embarrassed, but he's not embarrassed. I'm like, you wouldn't be embarrassed, Carrie. You know, la, whatever. People are making out all the time. But I. I wasn't there to say that.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm so uptight. I'm uptight like Charlotte. I'm like, ooh, stop. I'm thinking to myself, like, stop making out. There's a. Oh, yeah, no, no.

[Kristen Davis]

That realtor would be like, I'm gonna sell this house. He'd be totally into it. Do you know what I mean? Right. It'd be fine. They're. They're digging, they're making out. You know what I mean? Do whatever you want. Then. Then. So that. Oh, then they go, that Carrie says she's starting to like la, which of course, you. You know, something bad's gonna happen. Right? You know, we're gonna take a turn after we've said that, because that can't. That can't last. That can't Last. So then, then she goes to a date at supposedly Keith's house, which is, of course beautiful. They're in the hot tub. It's la. It's so la. Like, it feels so LA and sexy. Nighttime la, right? And they're in the hot tub, they're making out. Then it's the morning and who should come in but Carrie Fisher. And she says something like, did you feed the cats? Or whatever. It's all very funny. And it turns out that Keith is in fact a personal assistant. And Carrie Fisher thinks Carrie's a prostitute.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's so funny.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so funny. And it goes on for so long. And poor Carrie tries to tell her, no, no, I'm a columnist. Carrie Fisher's unmoved. She's like, mm, you know, she's not convinced.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Not at all.

[Kristen Davis]

Not at all. And also, I mean, it's interesting, Carrie's reaction. Like she holds it together more than I would have if Carrie Fisher walked in.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely right. It was all very, very interesting. Like, I kind of feel like I need to rewatch that part again.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

There's a lot going on. Just in that scene, in that episode. There's so much going on.

[Kristen Davis]

There's so much going on, which is how I feel of all of our episodes, but especially for the LA ones, it's just jam packed and because visually it's also so different.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right?

[Kristen Davis]

So much to take in. So gorgeous. The palm trees and the car and the, you know, the outfits are like amped up a bit. You know, it's pretty great. So then we're at the Playboy Mansion also in those crazy, crazy outfits. And then they're in the grotto, which is scary. And I wasn't there for all that. Right? I wasn't. I wasn't there for all of it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what was going on. And then they took a turn. They take the wrong turn, turn. And then Carrie says, it's time to go home. And you're like, yes, it's time to go home. They get home and Carrie goes into her apartment. You just feel so relieved.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You do. And she gets to smoke inside her own apartment.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You know. Yes. And be with the real stuff in her apartment. Because she's like, everything in here is real.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. That's important.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's important.

[Kristen Davis]

And I mean, I get that about la. I don't feel like that's so true anymore, though. I'm probably not objective anymore. But I feel like, especially because New York has also really changed. Not to say that it's not real, but, like, it's kind of pretty Bougie. It's bougie.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Good word. Good word.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love New York. But it's definitely. I grew up in New York, so it's definitely bougier than it used to be.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's still fabulous.

[Kristen Davis]

It's fabulous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you have to go far out in Brooklyn now to find. Not bougie. And then it is there. It is there. Maybe Bushwick. Bushwick, right. Yeah, right. I've read about. I've read about this being a trend. Okay, let's talk about Samantha for a second. I totally forgotten about the whole fake Fendi storyline. And I think it's so interesting because we don't ever mention child labor or anything because maybe that would be too heavy. But, like, since then, there's been a lot of education about why you can make a cheap bag, you know, that looks the same. But then also there was. I can't remember which brand it was, and I probably shouldn't say, but there was some brand where they found out that the true brand was also using child labor and that the bag costs a tiny, tiny fraction of what they charge. And I feel like now there's a lot more thought and education into fast fashion versus real versus child labor versus not versus what are you actually buying. Not to say that the brands aren't still important. They are, but back then, I feel like that was just the rise of the brand. Right, right. The fact that this guy is selling the fake Fendi's and Samantha's. Like, you can't tell until you look inside. And then it says Made in China. I mean, it's all very funny, but, like, also still so relevant.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Completely relevant. And that's what's interesting. Sex in the City. I feel like every episode is still relevant.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, it's amazing. I mean, there are certain things where you'll like, we are talking on the landline phones, you know, sometimes that are so funny. And in the beginning, there's the payphones. So adorable, right? So adorable. There's things like that that are just like things you reminisce about. But the. The through line. The bigger storylines are very relatable, which is why we're here. Talking about lives on.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think it lives on even more.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's gotten even more popularity.

[Kristen Davis]

We had no idea. We had no idea. Do you know what I mean? Like, the success in general, the first time was amazing to us.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I bet.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah. Because you never know. You know, you could be making a great show and it could not be popular. You know what I mean? Yeah. You never know. And now it's just craziness in our industry. So Samantha is in la. She's going around, you know, she sees Hugh Hefner, who's basically the celebrity sighting that she wanted, which is kind of funny, but I guess makes sense, right? And then she goes out shopping, but she. And she's wearing that insane hat, which I had not remembered at all. With, like, the pieces.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That black hat.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, it's a big hat. I don't know how they talked Michael Patrick into it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But they did. And then she buys the fake Fendi because she's spending all her money on clothes and she's walking down rodeo, which I feel like she does later on. Like in the movie, maybe.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Don't we have a. For some reason she goes to LA at some point in the future. Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's when she's managing Smith Jarrett. Smith Jarrett.

[Kristen Davis]

Good one. Yes. And she's got a Mercedes and she's shopping. She's got a little dog.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, a cute little dog, right? Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. We haven't even gotten there, but it's kind of an interesting, like, you know, beginning of what we're gonna see. Yeah, yeah. And I thought, oh, gosh, I. Sometimes I remember visuals, like I had remembered that hat. But I thought that was in the later time that she comes to Odell. But no, it's way back in the third season.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It seems later, doesn't it?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, I agree totally. Then let's talk about Miranda for a second. So Miranda goes off to meet Lou from Letterman. And this is just so, so funny. And he's not. He's. He's. He's not angry anymore. So that's exciting for her and makes her go like, you know, should maybe I try to be less angry. So for a little bit, it kind of works. And he asked her to go on a hike and she looks like, you know, slightly traumatized, which is kind of funny too, because this is what everyone here does.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know. I don't want to do it.

[Kristen Davis]

You don't want to do it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm not into hiking. I still knee are so much.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, this is. Marsha and I used to hike all the time. I used to hike with everyone. That was our. That was what we did. Because I'm sober, so I don't. You know what I mean? We hiked. We went to yoga class and we hiked. I haven't hiked that much lately. The fires ruined some of my hiking places though. I think. I think one of them reopened. But. Yeah, I used to hike every day.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Will Rogers is open.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, that's what you meant. You could go there. But it's not all open.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's not all.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And I'm kind of scared to go. You know what I mean?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'll go with you if you want.

[Kristen Davis]

Will you?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

I thought you didn't want to hike that. But you know what's nice? They have the lawn. You can just picnic on the lawn.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Really pretty. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You don't have to hike. Right? You don't have to like sweat.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I like it.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

So, okay. Miranda. Miranda. This guy's adorable. I don't remember this guy. I'm glad you've seen him in other things. I don't think I ever met him.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, he was completely away from. I didn't meet him either. No.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah. Completely away and really good. And he's writing for a hit sitcom that's somehow about people in New York. And I was trying to think, like, they're not talking about friends. Are they friends? Were they talking about friends?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Okay. Talking about friends. Because Sarah Jessica is like. And there's a feisty waitress.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true. Oh, my God. I didn't put it together.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Jennifer.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. And at one point, they make some joke about how you couldn't afford this apart the New York apartment. And I'm like, it's so funny because there's also things people say about us. You know what I mean?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, yeah, totally. But your apartments were a lot more.

[Kristen Davis]

Accurate, I thought, well, my apartment had to do with Trey. Right. And then before Trey, you never see my whole apartment anyway. Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Her apartment, I feel like, is very accurate, except that it was supposedly on 76th street, which is so bizarre. And somehow I hadn't remembered that because we always filmed on Perry street, which is where I thought it was. So, I mean, that was a big, like, what. When we started the podcast, I'm like, she lives on the Upper east side. What? Apparently she does or did. Did. Did, did. Because she. She's moved to Gramercy Park. That's where we left her in the old. Beautiful apartment.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Gramercy Park. So beautiful.

[Kristen Davis]

So beautiful. I lived Gramercy park adjacent at one point.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Beautiful. I would. My father had a Studio 15 Gramercy park and keys to the park. So beautiful. Amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Best real estate in New York.

[Kristen Davis]

Best real estate in New York. So we had a deal for that apartment there. That was a real place, you know, with a beautiful gate and the balcony in the front and the stained glass door. You know, it's also beautiful down there. The ones that have been, you know, kept nicely. And right towards the end of the third season, they were like, no, we don't want you guys to film down here anymore. Why? Because there was someone down there. I really should be saying none of this, but it's great fun, because now I can. Because the show's over. There was someone on the park, right? So, you know, like, if you're facing the park, that's like the prime real estate. And you're all part of the group that gets the keys. You know what I'm saying? You're kind of the. And he was remodeling his brownstone, and he didn't want to compete with the trucks and whatever when we would work. And everyone suspected that he was doing things without permits. Oh, now I know if none of this is true, which is why I can say it right. But she went to the neighborhood agreement people or whatever, you know, the committee, and said, like, we've got to pull their. I'm not gonna let them work. And everybody in our world was in just a whole panic. So Sarah had to go and film things through the end of the season before they pulled it away. I know, but we had built almost the whole thing on a lot, you know, a studio. So, like, her whole backyard was built so that we could flood it. Cause they flooded it. They built the garden, and that had to be controlled because the weather in New York, as you know, you can't control that. Yeah. So they built all of that, which was great, but we had to film the front because we couldn't recreate that. No way. Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's like the Brady Bunch.

[Kristen Davis]

Is it?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. They had the front of the house and then shot inside.

[Kristen Davis]

Was it the house?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The house. They just used the exterior of the television show, and then everything shot on the.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love stories like that. Thank you so much for telling us that.

[Kristen Davis]

It's interesting, right? I know the weird stuff you have to deal with. Okay, so wait, Samantha. Sorry. No, Miranda. Miranda. With this guy Lou. So Lou is a writer. And then at one point, when he doesn't want to eat the food, she's like, but you're a writer. You're not even on camera. And he's like, but people look at me or whatever, and I just know. That was all of our writers going through the fact that, like, you have to get on stage now. You have to do press. You have to get on stage with us when we win things. Thank God we were winning things. But you know what I'm saying, like, it is a lot of pressure, and.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Nobody wants a fat story editor.

[Kristen Davis]

No, that's what he says. That's what he says. I mean, I don't know if that's true or not, but I understand. Understand the fact.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Story editor. That means that, like, they're writing good jokes and, you know, having fun.

[Kristen Davis]

That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean. Yeah. That person, Lou Letterman. Lou might be taking a Little too hard. But I do feel like our. Our writers felt the pressure. The pressure. Yeah, I do. I do. We should have one of them back to talk to us about it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But, I mean, I. I. Yeah, I do. Because I think that this was the time when things were getting so much more kind of heightened in terms of people watching and us getting nominated for stuff. And the first time we went to the Golden Globes, when we won, I mean, we were like, what? You know, Michael's got, like, a full curly Afro.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's so Irish crow.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. It's like the cutest thing in the world. But we did not know what we were doing.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, that was so funny.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, we didn't have stylists. I don't think I went to Richard Tyler and tried on dresses that were, like, in the window. Do you know what I'm saying? They were so nice to me. He was so nice to me. But there was another woman at the first Golden Globes that we went to wearing my same dress because it was in the window. It was like anyone could walk in there and buy it. You know what I mean? We didn't know what we were doing at all. At all.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But that's amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

I think back to just the innocence, you know?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, it's kind of fun.

[Kristen Davis]

It's adorable. It's adorable. I mean, yes, things could go wrong, but also, it was sweet. It was like sweet times.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Unhappy and innocent and shocked, you know, by it all.

[Kristen Davis]

Shocked. Shocked. But I think also the writers were going through that, which is why they're writing this. Cause we, I think, run our first Golden Globe for the season or during the season or sometime soon around. I don't know, I should. I should figure these dates out. But, you know, sometime around now, right, and it was raining that day. So, like, I have terrible, terrible hair. That first time we went in the Golden Globe.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I've never had terrible hair.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, you're so sweet.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Your hair has never looked terrible.

[Kristen Davis]

You're so sweet. I think look pretty bad. Oh, yeah. Then let's talk about Charlotte for a second, because this is one of those scenes. There are occasionally times where I'm looking back and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I did great in that scene. When I. So I come. I'm very hard on myself. I know. So I'm still in New York. I did love. I did love that we see this scene of Trey and I where I'm all dressed up, and I say, like, how did I do? And he says, you did great. And Everything's beautiful and so perfect. And then I'm like, you know, I have an idea, doctor or whatever, I say. And then he's like, no, I'm gonna go on a run. And I say, maybe we should think about Viagra. And he's like, don't you know it's dangerous and heart problems run in my family. And then he goes out to run. It's like, like so sad.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It is sad. And I didn't know that Viagra is bad for men's heart.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think it is. We should probably research.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think we should research that. Yeah. Cuz my husband was like, it's not bad for your heart.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I think it was new. I think at the time it was relatively new. Which is also like hysterical to think about. Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh my God.

[Kristen Davis]

Cuz we do that other episode. Isn't it wild to think about, like we do another episode where we talk about Viagra for women. Like, can women take Viagra? Can Samantha gets into Viagra? It was new and exciting and different. And I don't think anyone knew, really. Right. But I also think that Trey's just trying to make excuses because he doesn't want to deal with his problems. Which is of course why the relationship.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But you handled that scene beautifully.

[Kristen Davis]

Because that one's okay.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You were cool.

[Kristen Davis]

It's coming that I don't like. I like that scene. I like that scene. But then, so then I leave and I surprise Carrie at the door at her hotel, which is so funny. And she's like, you could have just called me. She kind of funny and adorable. But Carrie's the only one who knows at that point about the problems. Because I told her at the wedding under my veil. Right. Trey can't get it up. The scene I didn't love myself in is the one basically our coffee shop in la where I just suddenly blurt out to everybody that we've never had sex.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And you're like, my marriage is a fake. Vande Bayek.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. I don't love that. I don't love my performance there.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Well, I will say that you delivered that line. That is a very hard line.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

To sell my marriage Fendi bag.

[Kristen Davis]

I didn't love the line. And I didn't love my delivery.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I didn't love the line. But I loved.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Perfect.

[Kristen Davis]

Jennifer, that's very nice.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're a great actress.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, you're so sweet. Thank you. I. I just. It's one of those ones too where like, there's certain things that Charlotte does repetitively Right. And one of them is, like, to blurt things out emotionally, kind of. And it's hard. Then when I look at it now, like, I see the challenges and that they have me doing kind of similar things. And so how do you make that different? And I don't know that I was smart enough to. To think about that then. Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes, you were.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You inherently did it perfectly.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Your Charlotte is like perfection.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But that is weird. On a television show, they're like, she does this. So we're gonna write that a million times.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, yes. I mean that. I wouldn't say that our writers really went too far, but I do think that they thought that each character had their lane. Right. And so, like, for a while, they would say to me, like, you know, Charlotte doesn't get angry. And I'd be like, that's so crazy, you guys. She has to get angry, you know? But, like, they just had their ideas.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right, but you got angry in your Charlotte way.

[Kristen Davis]

I did.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It wasn't like. It wasn't like a real. Like, it was like a positive, sweet anger.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, for a while, we're gonna get to a point where I actually get to get really angry. I don't know when it's coming, but it's coming. It's coming. I mean, certainly by the first movie. Maybe that was the first time. I don't know. But they let me get really angry in the first movie. Thank God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And that was smart. That was smart.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right. So Charlotte shows up in la, so excited because she can just pretend she's single, I guess. You know what I mean? Like at the. At the Playboy Mansion. And then she tells them it's a fake Fendi. And then I think Samantha's so funny in this scene where she's just like, you've never had sex. Like, she just keeps saying it. I mean, yes, it is crazy. Like, I married this guy and I have never had sex with him.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It happens a lot, though.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you think?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I think Samantha's just saying that because all she can think about is sex.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, sure. But I also think. I. I think for a grown woman who obviously, I mean, I also understand Charlotte has her fantasies. And Charlotte really is trying to make life fit into her fantasies. And as we know, that's not really going to work.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But she's giving it everything she's got, you know, she's going to try as hard as she could possibly try. Doesn't work because that's just not how life goes, you know, you can't like will it to be, you know exactly how you want it. You have to deal with who's really in front of you. Right. And he's complicated. And I think the sad thing for me, which we're starting to see and we're gonna see more of, is the problem is that he doesn't wanna deal with it. Right? That's the real problem.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

He's so WASPy.

[Kristen Davis]

He's so WASPy. And shut down. And it's shut down.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But he's just so gorgeous and he's Kyle, so.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh my God. Kyle MacLachlan. Dreamy, dreamy.

[Kristen Davis]

So beyond dreamy. I was lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky. But it's sad to watch the storyline and a lot of the storyline I don't remember either because I just remember Kyle, you know, I remember working together.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I thought she was the biggest hard on killer.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no, of course. And she. I get that, I get that you have like a weird relationship with your mother. It's hard to somehow then be just like great with your wife or your girlfriend or whatever. You know what I mean? I get that. But still, it's interesting. But also, Franny was a love.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

She was just great. She was so sweet.

[Kristen Davis]

So it's hard to remember that actress what's on screen. Frances Sternhagen. Amazing, amazing woman. Okay, so Charlotte comes. Then she's just like, I'm gonna be, you know, like I'm single with the girls in la and then we end up at the Playboy Mansion. I'm talking to this dude Ian, who's supposedly an art collector, but literally has nothing interesting to say.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It comes from nowhere. I know there's no explanation.

[Kristen Davis]

No. I'm just there laying on the rocks. I'm like, what's happening? I have zero memory, okay? Like literally nothing. Like almost negative nothing. Like maybe it was my doppelganger there. I don't know. Interesting, right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Or it's just 6am or whatever before the sun comes up. I have no idea. But I'm just there giggling, drinking like a fool. And then he says, you know, let me do something for you. Let me buy you some boobs. And I'm like, I don't need any boobs. And I get up and leave. Which is pretty funny.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's very funny.

[Kristen Davis]

It's pretty funny and very LA of the moment.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's so at that time.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I mean, the boobs were everywhere.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm gonna buy you some boobs.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, the boobs Were just. I mean. Yeah. It's so crazy to think how, like, brainwashed you get.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes, it is. And at that time, I think we were all still a little bit brainwashed, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Because I don't think there was. There wasn't social media yet. Right. So there wasn't really. You just thought the. You have to be, like, the models or like, whatever the thing is, you know, that's put out there. And so all of us that were trying to act were just trying to fit in to what we thought they wanted from us.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

It was very hard.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But then you're on the show where you're actually playing the parts of the men, like, the parts that the men would have got. So, I mean, it's incredible. It meant so much.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely. But we still had to fit in the clothes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yep, yep.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what I'm saying? And you still had to go to photo shoots where there were only sample sizes. And back then, they didn't cut for any hips or butt or thighs or anything. It was just straight. Okay. Like, I would be on whole photo shoots where not one single thing fit me. Not one single thing. Like, the stress was so intense, you know, so sometimes I would just bring a bag of my clothes, like basics, black pants or whatever, and I would hide it until I needed it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's so smart.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, because, I mean, can you imagine, like, there's literally nothing. There's nothing on the rack that will be embarrassing.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, fittings.

[Kristen Davis]

Horrible.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I hate fittings. Horrible of any kind.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I love fittings if they're with our people.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Because you're at home. They make it fun. They obviously know your body. But sometimes when you're going to other fittings where you don't know the people, it's scary. It's still scary. And this is after 30 plus years of me doing it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Interesting, isn't it? I feel the same way.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's just a. It's just a difficult and awkward thing. And I think, like, from the outside, it seems glamorous and amazing. And there's part of it that is.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

That you even get to go to Armani or whatever it is. Right, Right. And hopefully there's some nice person there, like my stylist. Now, this point in time was one of the, you know, personal stylists at Armani who would dress us.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Well, I have to say, your clothes on Sex and the City were the best, I think. I mean, I loved all of them, but, I mean, your style and the way you wore Them.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. That's so sweet. It developed over time, you know, it really did. It developed over time. And it took a while for Pat and I to kind of figure out, like, a commonality. Right. Because Pat came from her kind of alternative fashion world, which was amazing and really valid and really change television that we got to have her and have her put a twist on it all. But I didn't necessarily fit into that. Right. And part of it was that I didn't think Charlotte fit into that. You know what I'm saying?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But Pat felt like the way Upper east side ladies dress was boring, which I totally understand. So she wanted to twist it. But then also, I just had a body that, like, there was, at that point in time, 10 inches difference between my waist and my hips. Pat did not understand that. She would just be like, what is that? And I just. I don't know, Pat. I just run and run and run.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's curves, baby.

[Kristen Davis]

And then I hike, and then I. And then I go to the gym. And then I. I mean, you know what I mean? And she's like, I don't know what to do with that. I mean, this went on, you know, on and on.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

And then the movie came out, Secretary with Maggie Gyllenhaal.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And she. You remember that movie? It was like sexy, kind of light S and M. And she's wearing, like, pussy bow tops and tight skirts. And the sexy secretary became very in. And Pat was like, sexy secretary. And I was like, yes, thank God. Yes, let's do that.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, it's so great.

[Kristen Davis]

But we hadn't found it yet here at this point in time.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No, it was kind of the only one who really had established her look was Carrie, right?

[Kristen Davis]

Very, very much. And I mean, Sarah and Pat were very on the same page, which is great. But I also think, like, when I've been watching the show, I mean, I would say Samantha also, because she's very. Like, there were some past episodes. Like, she comes to my house one time, she's drunk, and she's wearing very sexy lingerie with a fur coat. Out on the street on Central park, on Fifth Avenue, I guess. Central Park West. Central Park West. That's where Charlotte lived. Then, like, I mean, iconic. Iconic Samantha.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Love it very much.

[Kristen Davis]

There she goes to the firehouse. Do you remember, in that turquoise dress. That's already happened. She puts on the fireman thing. Samantha also, pretty much from the get go, was pretty vividly created, you know, And Miranda, I think, too. Cause the suits, right. Like, do you Remember all her kind of slightly 90s power suit situation? All of that was there from the beginning. And I mean I did have softness. I had like flowers and prints and things. But we hadn't gotten the full. The full. But I love like when I see this episode, I love everything. Charlotte's work.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

All right. Are there any other things that you remembered that we didn't touch on?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I don't know. I feel like we did. We covered a lot. I'm just so happy to be here. I mean and. And that episode was so much fun.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so great.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I recommend people watch it right now.

[Kristen Davis]

I recommend we go rewatch it too. I mean, that's how I felt when I ended it. And the other thing that I think is really interesting and I've been thinking about this. I don't know if you've seen Heated rivalry.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes. Dude.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you love it?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love it.

[Kristen Davis]

Isn't it incredible?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love it. It's amazing. And I'm thinking about those Butts are so tight.

[Kristen Davis]

Those butts are something for sure. For sure. I mean, that's one thing it has going for it. It has many things going for. Hannah has now watch it. We have to ask her later. But one of the things I'm mulling over all the reasons that it's this huge phenomenon, and I have many theories, and many people have many theories, and I saw Esther Perel. Do you know Esther Perel, the wonderful therapist? She was on Instagram, I think, yesterday, talking about how it's a corrective experience watching it. Because as you're watching it, like, for instance, if you think about that press conference early on where Hudson's character doesn't know what to say, I'm now switched to the real people because they're all infiltrating our brain at all times. He doesn't know what to say. And then Ilya Connor's character speaks up for him. Then when he in the end confesses to his mom the truth and she says, what did I do wrong that you couldn't tell me? It's like everything you would dream of people saying they say they do. It's like a healing experience to watch.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But not real life.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly, exactly.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We all keep it in, right?

[Kristen Davis]

But isn't that kind of amazing? Why I. I think it's why people have such an emotional connection to it. But I also feel, and I. I was thinking about that versus our show because one of the things that the first show and definitely the second show did was show all the crazy, kind of bad, embarrassing things that could happen to you, right? And that you were going to be okay. Do you know what I mean? That you were going to be okay. You were going to go tell your girlfriends about it and all of you were going to laugh. Do you know what I mean? Like, it might feel so embarrassing at the time, right? And like, there would be different ones of us over time of the actors who would be like, oh, they embarrassed my character the most. No, they embarrassed my character the most.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They embarrassed your character the most in the movie.

[Kristen Davis]

So true. Okay. So true. And I tell Michael Patrick this because.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It'S happened to other people.

[Kristen Davis]

It has happened. Yes. That's what Michael Patrick said at the time. I mean, yes, many embarrassing things happen, but I mean, if you were to ask any of us, they. You could go down the list of Miranda's embarrassing things, like she vomits on someone she's having sex with. Do you remember this? Like, I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot for everybody.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Do you know What?

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, but that was kind of the point.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's so therapeutic, right?

[Kristen Davis]

It's therapeutic, but in a different way.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, in a different way.

[Kristen Davis]

Not in a corrective way. Like. And I think, Obviously, this is 2025. We need. Wait, it's 2026. Ooh, that was scary.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I keep saying 26.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, right? We need healing. Like, the world is a really big wreck.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Back in 2000, the world wasn't this much of a wreck yet either. Like, it was a different time. Do you know what I mean?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No, not at all.

[Kristen Davis]

And I think there's something also to be said about collectively enjoying media and storytelling. Right. Which back in the day, you know, in the beginning, not everyone had hbo. So it was this thing like, you know, can I go to someone's house and watch hbo? Can I go to a party and watch. Watch the show? Right. Because people wanted to do it together. And I think that's what's happening with heated rivalry, where you can go to bars and people are watching or people are rewatching. Rewatching the. And then conversing on social media about it to connect.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We need that. We need that right now. We really need that.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly, exactly. And I think it's the power of good storytelling.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. And something that's open and honest. I don't know. Like, with Sex in the City, it was like I was like, oh, my God. For women, it was like what you were doing. It was like what we were going through. And, like, oh, I feel okay to, like, sex. And I feel all right, you know, Definitely. It was a confidence booster.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely. And that's what we wanted. That's what we wanted to do. That's what we were trying to do. Totally. But I thought the thing about heated rivalry, which is interesting, is the women watching heated rivalry as an antidote to toxic masculinity.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right, right.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, there's so many interesting cultural elements of heated rivalry and the success of heat. Of rivalry. And I was talking to a friend who was. I was talking to. I don't know if I should say, I was talking to someone yesterday about.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You can name drop, girl.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't want to name drop. I don't want to name drop because I don't want. Yeah. Now I can't even remember was going to say because, oh, I was talking to someone yesterday who's super knowledgeable about the business, who's a producer now, who used to be at hbo. And I was saying to her, you know, it's so amazing that Jacob Tierney, who did he did writer Caroline Albrecht. Yes. Wait, no, not Albrecht. Carolyn Strauss. Carolyn Strauss. We married the names. They're definitely not married. Carolyn Strauss. I was talking to Carolyn Strauss. Very good. Jennifer read my mind. She's very smart. And we were about talking. Talking about the success of Heated Rivalry. And she was saying. I said, you know, it's so hard because first of all, right now, in our business, no one's green lighting anything, really. Because our business is upside down. Yeah. It's really sad and scary. Scary for everyone.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Scary.

[Kristen Davis]

Scary for everyone. Of all layers of our business. But also, we were talking about budgets and choices and fear. Right. Cause I was saying, I feel like there's so much fear now about, you know, what to do, what not to do.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, don't offend anyone. Like, everyone's just function.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So we're gonna have nothing.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And then less because, like, we're putting out nothing. You know, I do know.

[Kristen Davis]

But. But. But I also feel. And I feel like Heated Rivalry is a really, really good example. So they had it set up at a big streamer here. I don't know which one. It wasn't on hbo, Max, I'm pretty sure. And they were giving them a bunch of notes, and they told them. Cause it was from the book, right? And they told them, francois has been out in the world saying this. They told them, no kissing till episode five. What? I know. It would have been horrible. So whoever it was was, like, you know, totally gonna gut the insides of what it was. Right? So Jacob Tierney, the showrunner, the incredibly brilliant Jacob Tierney, said, okay, you know what? We can't do this. I'm gonna take it back to Canada. I'm gonna go to Crave TV or whatever the app is called. Crave, Crave. Just Crave. I'm gonna go to Craven. They're not gonna give us so much notes. He also basically didn't have a budget. Right. Like, they made it for almost nothing. So smart, though, in 36 days.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But look at how incredible it is. But that's because the budget wasn't very high, so people weren't very scared. And he was smart, and he could do what he wanted to do. And this is what it takes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Sex and the City. You didn't have, like, a lot of notes from each.

[Kristen Davis]

We had no notes. That's why I was talking about this.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's why it's so good.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true. But we.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And we have, like, you know, Larry David kicked them out of the.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Cause they tried.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They didn't have notes. But Those notes are so destructive. They're horrible.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She has to give me the signer because I'll talk forever. So I have a super burning, burning question. Jennifer.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes, please.

[Kristen Davis]

Are you a Charlotte?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh my God, what a good question. I wish I was a Charlotte. I'm a Carrie.

[Kristen Davis]

Are you sure?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm pretty sure. Just because I grew up on the Lower east side of Manhattan dressed like her. I was very like free spirited. I wish I was a Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

I love. You kind of are.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm kind of Charlotte too.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I, I, I'm Charlotte in many ways. I, I'm a combo. I think I'm a combo.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm a combo too of, of Carrie.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Charlotte you are too.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. When I saw you playing Charlotte, I was like, I know her. I was like, she's doing a really good job cuz she's not really Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. That's so nice. Everyone in the world who doesn't know me thinks that, that I'm really not acting because I am Charlotte. They don't know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You just did it so well.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I never thought of you as a Charlotte type because my regular life, I.

[Kristen Davis]

Mean, I think that the thing that you, that's interesting about acting is that part of what you respond to is like energetics of people. Right. So I think the energetics of Charlotte, like you have the same energetics as Charlotte and myself, which is like friendly, warm, enthusiastic, cheerleader. You know those elements. Right. And that's who Charlotte is in the foursome. You know, like that's an important kind of energetic beat that she provides.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Because you're so free spirit.

[Kristen Davis]

I am. I am not at all like Charlotte. Not at all.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're not like planning things out at all. And you're.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm not. You're really. Back in the olden days, people would say like, where are you going to be in five years, 10 years, 20 years? I would just be like, what?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I just hope I'm alive.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

I remember such a, like everyone would just be like, that's the question. You have to make a plan. And I was like, why do people are crazy? Like I'm definitely much more hippie than Charlotte.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You are. And you're, you're all like, I don't know. You're very spiritual and lovely, a lovely person.

[Kristen Davis]

And you're a lovely person too. Thank you for joining.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Thank you so much. It was so much fun and such good memories.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm so impressed.

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