A (3:07)

Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlot? Welcome back, everybody, to Are youe a Charlotte? Part two. She is returning Jenny Vicks. She wrote the incredible episode Frenemies. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. It is just such a funny thing to think back on what we had. And, you know, sometimes you think, like, did we really fully appreciate what we had? I think about this myself.

B (3:44)

I think about it a lot. I think about a lot. Especially when I watch the episodes again. And I think, right. How lucky were we? And I think towards the end, I mean, I know from my perspective, by season six, I think I was really appreciating. I was like, oh, man, this is gonna end like we, We. And how special and how amazing that we got to be on that ride.

A (4:05)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And who knew the ride would continue?

B (4:08)

You know, it was a ride. It was.

A (4:10)

It was a ride. I mean, yes, it was a ride for sure. I mean, it was also. I mean, I didn't want it to end. You know, I'm not telling anyone anything that anyone doesn't know. I never want it to end. But, like, I. You know, and it's such a living thing, I feel like. And especially I'm also rewatching it, as you know. Right. And it's so fascinating to rewatch it because it's really interesting and good and surprising, even having been in it the first time. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it holds up just so incredibly well.

B (4:46)

Way better than I. You know, had I not started watching it again because of you, I think I would have been scared to watch some of the episodes. And I think there probably are some that are not holding up as well.

A (4:57)

No, you know what it is, Jenny? This is what it is. Because I thought that was going to be true, too. There are moments. There are moments or, like, scenes where you're like, oh, you know what I mean? But it's very little. Like, I have to say for myself, it's less than I expected.

B (5:11)

Well, I think that's bearing itself out. I mean, people. Kids are kids, gals above the age of 16, whatever, are finding the show. You know, people are finding the show. People are finding the show. People are sending me memes that I never knew existed. I'm like, okay, that's amazing.

A (5:32)

I love that. I love it, too. I love it, too. It's really, really fun. And it's fun because, I mean, I don't know. Did you watch Overcompensating? Do you know Overcompensating? Did you know that Benito has a podcast called R. Benny has been on the podcast. We love him very much. And one of his lines that he says all the time is my line that I say to Kyle, I'm your wife and I'm sexual and I love you. Like, he just randomly says this, like, so funny. And when he came on, I was like, why? How and why did this become, like, your thing? And he goes, just because it's so good. And I was like, okay.

B (6:11)

Wow. Yeah, you just don't know when someone's going to pick up something. By the way, also starring in Overcompensating Holmes, who starred in Welco to Flatch, my show that was on Fox for two seasons.

A (6:22)

Right.

B (6:23)

She is amazing. Amazing things she does. And what I love in Overcompensating is she's completely different than what she did in Flash.

A (6:30)

Like, that is so true.

B (6:31)

Blonde and overcompensated.

A (6:33)

She's incredible.

B (6:34)

She's incredible. She's incredible. So I. Yes, I do love that the show has been. Has been refound and. But it gives me such. I don't want to say painful nostalgia, but it is. It's like you long for that. Like, I long to be back in that writer's room with this. And the good news is I'm. We're all quite close and we see each other, so in some ways we're still in the room together, but it's. Thank God it's not the same.

A (6:58)

No. I mean, look, we went and did a whole other show so we could work together. Do you know what I mean?

B (7:03)

You just keep it going. It's like you want that. You really do feeling.

A (7:07)

I know. And then they ended that show, and I was like, why? I still feel the same way, even though intellectually I know kind of why, but I'm just like, but come on, guys, let's do something else. Like, that's how I feel.

B (7:20)

And I, you know, you try to explain the feeling to, like, for us, to other writers, like, what it's like to be in a room like we were in. And you can't really explain it because it was. It was so finely curated. Like, Michael did such a good job of kind of knowing. Just kind of knowing what each person was going to bring in there and. And making it a safe place to be. Even though Michael, one of my dearest Friends, you know. I love you, Michael. Michael is hilariously, as you know, he's a complicated, discerning writer.

A (7:58)

Yes.

B (7:59)

He's going to tell you if something is working.

A (8:01)

Yes.

B (8:02)

And he's going to be right. 90% of the time. He's going to be right.

A (8:06)

Right.

B (8:07)

And if not, he'll admit it, ultimately. But he knew who could handle him, who could work in the system where we would get the best out of everybody. And we did. And so we still. It's. But it's a. It's this feeling of like you want to go home again. Like you.

A (8:23)

I agree.

B (8:24)

Want to go home. And. And, you know, we. It was a tough, you know, shooting was really tough. Like, I think we probably. I don't know if we talked about this last time, but there was a point or if you talked about it with other people where we were shooting three different episodes at the same time.

A (8:41)

Oh, at least. No, I think it was like six at one point.

B (8:44)

Well, we had T shirts for a B.

A (8:47)

And remember that?

B (8:47)

Yeah.

A (8:48)

It was the end of this third season, I think. Yes. Because it was such an ambitious season. And then we had all those unfinished parts at the end and we just took over all of the stages at Silver cup. And we had to have crew in the T shirts for which group they were on so they knew where to go.

B (9:07)

I was thinking. And I was reminded of this only because you don't want to sugarcoat how hard. Like, right. You. You all worked so hard. Like that moment where not only were we. And this was a newer thing, by the way, for film people who may be listening, slash watching, like to crossboard episodes. It wasn't. It wasn't done in tv.

A (9:32)

Right.

B (9:32)

It was done out of order in film. But.

A (9:35)

Right.

B (9:35)

What we were asking you all to do just on a regular basis was to shoot two episodes at the same time. And now suddenly it's three episodes. You gotta remember where your mind is at, character wise. How are you feeling? And you've got to get in that set and go shoot.

A (9:49)

And it's like, it's true.

B (9:51)

And people are running around with T shirts that say A, B and C. And you think it was hard, we people. But the blood and sweat shows, like.

A (10:00)

I agree. I agree totally. I think the thing. And we have talked about it. I mean, we've talked about the hours because the hours were like fully, fully bonkers. We were younger, thank God, but the hours were fully insane. You know, we saw so many sunrises. So many sunrises that, you know, you lost track. But the Thing too. I mean, like, just for everyone who doesn't know what crossboarding means. Because I have talked about this, but I don't know if I explained it. It's when. So normally if you were doing a film, right, you know, the whole script, you know, like from page 1 till page 131 or whatever it is. And you might shoot it out of order, but you know everything that's in it. So as an actor, you can prepare and you might have one scene because of the location that has to be filmed early, that comes late in the film, but you can get ready, you can mentally prepare what that means for you to do in terms of the character's arc of that film. And then with television, depending on the type of show, right. And we really broke out of the boundaries of the type of show that we were. Is really what we're saying we were. We were a single camera comedy. Sometimes people call this a sitcom, which I find, like, wrong.

B (11:10)

It's not a sitcom.

A (11:11)

No, because a sitcom means that it's a situational comedy at a place like Friends was a situational comedy. It's at the. What's it called? The Coffee place Central Perk. Thank you so much, Jenny Bix.

B (11:25)

I can't remember the line I wrote that the says, okay, that's okay, that's okay.

A (11:29)

We'll get, we'll get there. Because you wrote, you wrote so many of our episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they. So then. So what we needed to do because we were filming in New York was we had to cross board, which means crossboarding locations. Our schedule is crossboarded. So it's two episodes at once with one director and one dp, which was important because the other director for the next episode is scouting with the other dp. It's a very complex world that someone's running John Melfi, you know, amazingly. And we are like parts of it, but we're not in charge of it. And so you've got two episodes happening simultaneously and you're having to remember where you are and what's happened to you. But then sometimes when we would get behind, we would have four and. Or at the end of this season, I think it's six because it's two. Two too, right? It's like so, so many. Do you know what I mean?

B (12:20)

I don't recall shooting six episodes that one night.

A (12:24)

No, no, you're right. Not. Not in one night, like over a couple days. But some of it was really minor. Like if you had a phone call, remember, we would do inserts of your hands with the phone. So you'd have to run over. We were on this stage, the old bread factory called Silver cup, which, if anyone's ever driven over the 59th Street Bridge in New York, you see it to the right at Long Island City.

B (12:46)

That was our goal.

A (12:47)

We were there, and we had all the stages and the actors. We would just be like, where do we go now? And we'd have to go to our trailer, change into what we wore like three months ago, go to, you know, Stage four and hold a phone and have to hit a mark to get an insert that we had forgotten to get or hadn't had time to get on the day that we'd filmed the scene back then. So it was like, just chaos. But not unlike the end of shooting. And just like that. Because after I'd gotten Covid. And also we had all kinds of location drama, as, you know, we always do in New York. I think towards the end, like the last schedule, I think I was filming parts of six different episodes.

B (13:27)

See, that's. That's insanity.

A (13:29)

It was insanity. But I'd gotten Covid, so I couldn't. It was partly my fault. I mean, not that it's your fault that you get it, but you know what I'm saying. But you know what I mean. Like, the. You know, when I tell. I finally confess that Harry has cancer to carry. That scene was what I was supposed to film the day that I got Covid.

B (13:49)

Oh, my God.

A (13:50)

And I was so ready. You know, when you've prepared as an actor and you're so emotionally ready. I was so ready. And then at like 4 in the morning, I woke up and I thought my air conditioning had broken. Cause I was so hot.

B (14:03)

Oh, no.

A (14:04)

Never a good sign. So we had to punt it. But we needed like a CVS or Dwayne Reed or whatever it was. It went all the way to the end, which was like three months later. And I was like, oh, my God, do I. Do I have it? Do I remember? Do I know? Oh, Lord.

B (14:20)

It was something else. It's. It's. It is amazing. And look. Shout out to any. Anyone and everyone who handled continuity on our show.

A (14:29)

Oh, my God.

B (14:30)

It's very rare that you'll watch an episode and be like, wait a minute. Why is, you know, Charlotte's sweater knotted a little differently?

A (14:39)

Oh, no, I have never thought that. It's amazing.

B (14:43)

It's hard to really convey how hard that would be on a show like ours where there were so many moving

A (14:50)

parts, so many details.

B (14:52)

So many details.

A (14:54)

Hair and makeup.

B (14:55)

Hair and makeup. But that all of that. Thankfully all of you were good with your own continuity.

A (15:01)

Like, oh, we're into it, man.

B (15:03)

Oh, I picked up my drink.

A (15:04)

Oh God, yes.

B (15:05)

And took a.

A (15:06)

Coffee shops. The coffee shops.

B (15:10)

The fact that there's not any glaring errors is really a testament to every. All our crew.

A (15:17)

Absolutely.

B (15:18)

We had the very best crew in New York.

A (15:19)

The very best crew in New York. I know. And the very best editors.

B (15:23)

And the very best editor. We really kind of had the best. Because good things attract good people.

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A (21:28)

Watch it work. Did we leave out any major storylines that we should talk about?

B (21:37)

Well, we didn't really talk about the. The Learning Annex thing, but I think.

A (21:41)

Oh, yeah. Oh, God. So. So anxiety provoking.

B (21:45)

So anxiety provoking.

A (21:47)

Was that based on you guys or was that based on like a Candace Bushnell type of a situation?

B (21:51)

Well, it was. It was a combo plate. Right. Because we would talk a lot in the room about how. And I'm sure this happened for you too, that when you write or appear on a show like Sex and the City, people assume that you know a lot about relationships. So people would come to us as writers and be like, what do I do about this? What do I do about it? And we're like, do you understand? We're writing about the situations we're in. Like, we were all deathly single. Like, none of us could keep a relationship going. So the idea that people saw us as. As experts was hilarious to us. And so we wanted to take that and really literally put it up on stage. And then it became also the kind of the canvas of it. And. And I think somebody had done a. I don't think any one of us were asked specifically to do a Learning Annex about being single. But occasionally we would do panels and things like that. And yeah, we'd get for sure questions and we were like, we don't know. That's why we write about it.

A (22:56)

Absolutely. Oh, my gosh.

B (22:59)

But it was fun to see. And also if you look in that crowd, you'll see a number of actors that you have then will have seen in other things since then. Like, I really shout out as well to. There was no small parts in this show.

A (23:14)

Oh, for sure. Yeah. I have a list somewhere of all these people. Let me find it. I mean, I was kind of amazed. I didn't realize I wasn't there for that day. Right. Obviously. But, I mean, it was really fun to watch it, and I hadn't remembered this, not one little bit. Okay, wait. Katherine Curtin guest stars as girl number two in the Learning Seminar, Asking a question. She's now known for playing Joanne on Insecure Claudia, Dustin's mother on Stranger Things.

B (23:41)

Wow.

A (23:42)

Wanda Bell on Oranges and the New Black. Cool. Rebecca Wiskoski.

B (23:46)

Yes. She was one of your. One of your.

A (23:49)

One of my. Yes, I know who she is. Yes, yes, yes. She played Brenda on the Mentalist, Evelyn on Devious Maze, and Marge on For All Mankind. Jim is played by a guy named Dominic Fumusa, who is now known for playing Kevin on Nurse Jackie, Detective on Goliath, Pete on Cop in the Purge, and he was on Divorce. Wow.

B (24:15)

Oh, my God.

A (24:16)

Did you. Did you realize that?

B (24:17)

Yes. Yeah.

A (24:18)

Oh, my God. It's incredible. And there's. There's more. There's more. I mean, I. There's like long, long lists. It's impressive.

B (24:25)

It's so fun to. To see. To see that, because as we've discussed in the past, but at the time that we were shooting in New York, the only shows really were cop shows shooting them. So we were able to suddenly take advantage of all these fantastic performers who weren't necessarily comedy show people who maybe could tonally do some more lighter comedy, and then they get to go on and do amazing other things.

A (24:51)

Absolutely, Absolutely. I remember. I remember that whole part of it. I remember walking around, like, if we were on location and we were walking somewhere and we'd run into actors on the street and they'd be like, oh, I just read for blah, blah, blah. You know, it was just such a fun community feeling, you know, that everybody wanted to be on the show and that there were so many parts and, you know, the guys had to go back to callback after callback, and they were all slightly traumatized, you know, which was entertaining.

B (25:14)

We would. But not illegally.

A (25:16)

No, no, not illegally at all. Just. They were not used to being in that position. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I did a tiny part before Melrose on er, the first season of er, and I might have had, I don't know, five lines, but it was with Clooney and I believe.

B (25:34)

What did you play?

A (25:35)

I'm a. Like a. I feel like I was a mom, but I don't remember child, so I. I'm not 100% sure. I just really remember George. Okay. I don't remember hardly anything but that, though I do remember young Noah. Because I had so. It was so much fun, and you could feel the energy and that they were doing things differently as well. And it was one of their really big. I was in just a little, like, at a. You know, in a. He was my doctor, right. And I. I can't remember nothing horrible had happened to me, Right. I was just, like, flirting with him. But that was my role. It was great. But they were doing one of their big scenes beforehand where they're. All the main characters are walking through and talking their, you know, medical jargon. And they did 36 takes. And I remember just being, like, so impressed, right? And George and Noah were playing in the wheelchairs and, like, ramming into each other like boys, but having the best time, and they were just really into it, and everybody was so happy to be there. And the blocking and itself of the. It was like a steady cam shot and the blocking of everyone with the jargon. I was like, man, this is a hard job. It's, like, so exciting. Why did I tell that story? Oh, because I had had to go to four. Four callbacks for that part of, like, five lines.

B (26:55)

Wow. And also, again, people will look at that and go, oh, my God. Kristen Davis had five lines in er, and then she goes on to be this big star. Like, there's this moment. Everybody pants. You know, everyone starts with their couple lines.

A (27:10)

Oh, for sure. And you're so excited, you know, you're so excited to get those couple lines.

B (27:14)

You know, we're gonna have to pull up the film on this. I mean, we can.

A (27:18)

It's great. It's great. George has got the funny hair. It's very adorable. It was great. It was great. And the thing that was really nice for me, I'll just go ahead with the name dropping since I'm deep in already. He, at that point, had been working for so long, right? Like, kind of toiling, you know what I'm saying?

B (27:34)

And.

A (27:35)

And he also was smart enough to know that this was his moment. His moment was here. And he had such a great, great attitude about it. And he was such a kind of like a. Like a teacher and a sage. Like, you could ask him. Like, I would call him and be like, you know, I got Melrose and I'm so nervous, and what should I do? And he knew everyone, and he'd be like, this is what you should do. You know, you need to think about, you know, blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But don't think about all those other things, you know, like, he could really he was like a coach. You know what I'm saying?

B (28:04)

Oh, wild. Like, I would. I love that. And I love knowing that, because I would never put you two together as, like, mentor, mentee.

A (28:12)

I mean, yeah, he. He's not that much older than me, but he'd just been in it for so long, you know, and he's so smart about it all. Even, like, back then, like, he'd just been observing and observing and observing, you know, and had like. Like so many wise things. Like, there was this thing that when you're an unemployed actor and you're going to all the auditions, you would be, like, bitter about whoever got your part, right? You'd be like, that person got my part. And he would talk about. Like, that is just the wrong thinking altogether. You're gonna get what's meant for you, and you didn't lose that part. You never had that part. You just want to be in the mix. Like, he was like that, like, so wise. Right? I know.

B (28:53)

Call him now and just see what he has to say. Any advice he wants to give.

A (28:58)

Oh, I'm sure he would have advice. I think this man would always have advice. But the thing that if I called him, I would tell him how much I love J. Kelly and that I. That I really did you watch J. Kelly?

B (29:08)

Yes, Yes.

A (29:08)

I love the end of J. Kelly so much. I loved all of it. But like, that scene where he's watching himself, it's so beautiful.

B (29:17)

And I'm sure, too, as an actor, there's also relatability to kind of where you belong in this. In this ecosystem. And, you know, he. He's. I mean, he can do no wrong in my book.

A (29:27)

I agree. I agree 100%. And I'm so lucky. I got to be there and watch it. And I love to watch Noah and I love to watch the pit because it's like, it's just beautiful.

B (29:38)

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Now.

A (35:14)

We talked about the scary blowjob. I mean Jenny very brilliantly talked about how Samantha had to be el Samantha as Charlotte had to learn that she was the Samantha. Like their counterpoints. And then we get to have that nice phone call together. I mean that was a lot. I had forgotten the details of the Samantha's storyline as well. I was like, oh my God, that's.

B (35:33)

You know, even Samantha has a line she won't cross.

A (35:37)

Yep.

B (35:38)

I'm not, I don't have to go under a table because that's about her sexuality. Which I always appreciated. It was never prurian. It was never like for show.

A (35:49)

It was true.

B (35:51)

It was never needy. It was always what she needed. But not needy. And this was needy. And she saw that like she's the shame of like, oh, you don't want to be that. You don't want to be that person who has to give a blowjob under a table because you, you feel like this guy may not not stick around. You know, there is that.

A (36:14)

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

B (36:15)

From that. From that gal who also.

A (36:17)

That's a good point. Yeah, she did, she did. I mean, the thing about Samantha that I do love re watching it is the, like, the power of her freedom, you know, she's powerful, she's not needy. And she's like some of my favorite episodes. Just the la. Was it that one of the LA episodes? I love when she's just purely like a guy, you know, the LA guy who's the porn model, the dildo model, and he tries to talk to her about himself and she's like, like, no. And then he reads her the poetry and she dying. I mean, I just love those episodes. Oh, my gosh, Talk about those.

B (36:52)

I mean, I. That was so wild to shoot in la.

A (36:55)

Tell us, do you remember? What do you remember?

B (36:57)

Well, I. So I wrote the Playboy Mansion.

A (37:00)

Oh, right. Oh, my God.

B (37:02)

That's a whole other. Like, we don't have time to cover it now.

A (37:06)

We should have called you.

B (37:07)

Oh, who did you talk to?

A (37:09)

We talked to. What's your name? Madison. Holly Madison.

B (37:13)

Oh, well, that's pretty good too.

A (37:15)

It was good. It was interesting. She had a lot of interesting things to say. But I also. And we talked to Jennifer Elise Cox, who's in the other one.

B (37:23)

Yes.

A (37:23)

Right. Or is she in that same one?

B (37:25)

She's in the other one. Right.

A (37:26)

I mean, they blend in my mind. They're one.

B (37:28)

Vaughn. Vince, come on.

A (37:31)

Amazing, amazing, Vince. But tell me, because I want to know what you remember.

B (37:36)

I remember. Here's what I remember. This is one of the lines that. That, you know, looking at these women in the. In the hot tub and. And coming up with the word tit soup, you know, is still like. That's something that people quote back to me. Look, it's tit soup. You know what? Hanging out with Hugh Hefner all night, like, it. It was like, mind blowing. It was one of those moments where you realize, oh, we're in a whole other. This is a rarefied air that we are currently in and it is not our normal, like.

A (38:07)

No, not at all. Did you go to the party at the Playboy Mansion? Yeah, because I refused. What do you remember? Tell me.

B (38:15)

Yes, I remember a lot. I've forgotten a lot. But I remember needing to get. Because it was a pajama party, like, you had to wear. So I wore, like silk purple pajamas. And there were a number of all. What you realize is the age of the guys was a little scary. Like, it was definitely, you know, 60 plus, wow. And very young women. And you would kind of go around the corner and see, like, there was definitely stuff happening in the orgy area and in the. And in the hot tub area. And it was a. Look, it was a fun party. I remember dancing. I remember, you know, wow. Through a good party, but you didn't want to look too much under the. The. Under the rug there. But shooting. There was a blast. And shooting that whole episode, despite that, was the scary car accident.

A (39:09)

Yes.

B (39:09)

That is still every minute of that, as I'm sure it is for you, etched in my. Etched in my mind.

A (39:16)

Absolutely. I mean, I wasn't in the car. Right. But I remember having to go and. And have like, like emotional support. I was like the emotional support after the fact or whatever. For the. For the. And didn't we move the car from the scary hill after that happened? Because what's in on the film, they start on, like, a busy, busy street and then they're on a calm.

B (39:36)

Yeah, right. It was just. It was. Oh, that was so, so crazy and scary and, you know, standing and watching it and not being able to do anything about it and. And whatever divine thing was happening, everybody was okay and.

A (39:54)

Right, right.

B (39:55)

You know, we're probably not going to use this in this ep, you know.

A (39:58)

Yeah, yeah, it's fine because we've already discussed that.

B (40:01)

But. Yeah. Not. Not something I want to see again.

A (40:05)

No, no. And I mean, it does really make you think about, like, sometimes I feel like things on set, like, as much preparation as there is, sometimes there's just. You can't prepare enough and you think it's going to be fine, you know, and then suddenly, suddenly it's not. And it's super scary.

B (40:21)

Super scary. And we were. We were really lucky that I don't think anyone. Do you recall, like, ever having a moment where, like, considering the fact that we would often use, like now we wouldn't be able to have, like, real candles and things like that, but, like, nothing ever, as I remember, lit on fire or, you know, no one really injured themselves. Like, there was so much running in heels. Like.

A (40:42)

I know. Can you imagine? I mean, when I watched the one. Is it. What's the one that I just watched, where she loses his dog in the village. It's so good. But also, I mean, I really thought that dog was gonna get hit by a car. I was super panicked. And then she's wearing, like, like slides. There's not even an ankle strap. What on earth. She is a, like an Olympic athlete.

B (41:07)

She is. She can do anything In a pair of high heeled shoes that I don't do this at home because is unbelievable.

A (41:15)

And she would agree.

B (41:16)

It's not like we sped up the film. She was running. She was all the time insane.

A (41:22)

You can tell because the people behind her are in normal time.

B (41:25)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (41:26)

No, they're like regular people or whatever.

B (41:28)

They're just regular. And she's like, you know, a superhero.

A (41:31)

I know it. It's incredible. It's incredible. I agree. So many. I mean, this season in general is incredible. I mean the first two seasons were so much better than I would what I remembered, which I think I told you last time you came. But the third season in my had always been like when things just went oomph, like everything clicked in and man, rewatching it has not disappointed.

B (41:54)

Yeah, that's so interesting. I definitely think we all felt that way that for us, season three, suddenly everything clicked. You're right. That's the exact right word. Everything was running on cylinders and

A (42:08)

all

B (42:09)

of you all were working great together and working great with the material. We were going deep into these storylines that we got got to tell and. And it just felt like, oh my God. And it was also for us, I think it was basically the end of season two, beginning of season three, where people started to really watch as well. So we were also going out into the world and seeing that people were responding because as we've talked about the first season we shot and it didn't even air before we were shooting season. So people think we all the time knew that there was going to be this hit and we were just having a good time and being like, this is crazy.

A (42:46)

Totally, totally.

B (42:47)

We're standing on fifth Avenue and everyone's

A (42:48)

annoyed at us because we're definitely, definitely. I was trying to remember when the first Globes was because we did do this thing with Sarah where we got to give her this, the, the Carol Burnett award. And I was talking to one of the ladies from the Hollywood Foreign Press and you know, they do kind of consider us their babies in a weird way because remember that time that we went the first time that we went and then we won and we're all just like, what planet did we live on? Like, where are we? Like, we looked and Michael has that long curl.

B (43:23)

I mean, and the goatee.

A (43:25)

Yes, all of it.

B (43:26)

Yeah.

A (43:27)

Oh my God, I love it so much.

B (43:28)

Time we went. So this is Michael and I call this story the crinkle cut cheese story. And maybe he's told this story already, but no. So the first time we went to the Globes was when Sarah Jessica was nominated. So she was nominated before the show was nominated a year. I didn't remember.

A (43:44)

Okay.

B (43:45)

And I. I'm gonna say that was for season two. Okay. And so Michael and I were invited to go to Golden Globes. Now, we didn't know from going to the Golden Globes. We. Whatever. And so we drive to the Golden Globes in my Miata. So that tells you kind of where we're at. Okay, people. And we park and we walk up to the front, and we're like, hello, we are here for the Golden Globes. And they're like, yeah, no, you don't go in the main room. You're gonna go upstairs. HBO had rented a hotel room because it was also so early in the days of nominations that hbo, they were. They had done the. The Rat Pack. I'm gonna say miniseries, but it may.

A (44:26)

Yeah, maybe it was just whatever it was. Yeah. Something. Yeah.

B (44:29)

So that is dominated. So Michael and I go up to the hotel room, and it is a lot of the older ladies who. Who had been involved with the Rat Pack at different times.

A (44:42)

Wow.

B (44:42)

They had taken up the seating as they should have because.

A (44:45)

Right.

B (44:46)

Michael and myself and Candace Bushnell, who had gotten herself all dolled up and looked amazing. And we're sitting in a hotel room, and then on the table, all there is is crinkle cut cheese. Wow. That is. Now, if you would like to know a little insider thing, when Michael and I say something is a crinkle cut cheese moment. It's when you expect it to be like, really everything. And you just walk into a hotel room with some crinkle cut American. Oh, no. Now, since then, we went on to go up on stage multiple times.

A (45:18)

Yes. Yes. That's adorable. But I like that. I like that very much. That's a good story that I had never heard.

B (45:25)

Okay, well, you can. You can quote the crinkle cut cheese back to my.

A (45:28)

I love it so much. The crinkle cut cheese, everybody. Now we know what it means, but

B (45:32)

you have to remember things. Start. You know, you have to have those moments to really appreciate. Like, you don't just get to go and be the belle of the ball.

A (45:42)

Right.

B (45:42)

Like.

A (45:42)

No, it's true. We were there.

B (45:44)

It's true. Sj. And. And she looked. I remember what she was wearing. This was this amazing kind of taupey, sequiny dress. I mean, she could wear anything, you guys.

A (45:55)

Did she win?

B (45:56)

She didn't win.

A (45:57)

Okay. Interesting.

B (45:58)

We had a great time.

A (46:00)

I'm so glad That's a good story. That's a good story.

B (46:03)

You can't really appreciate getting in through those doors, let alone win. Winning until you go to a hotel room where you have to stand up and eat crinkle cut cheese.

A (46:13)

I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, Jenny. Always fun. You should have a different LA conversation because. Oh, putting the pieces together of LA is very interesting.

B (46:25)

La, that was a tough shoot too, man. I remember shooting at. You weren't in this scene. It was. It was SJ and Sarah Michelle Geller and we shot until about 8 in the morning overnight because we had. Have a restaurant closed. So we had to shoot once they had closed at a restaurant that no longer exists on Melrose or Beverly. But it was. It was a lot of nighttime.

A (46:46)

I know. Remember I had my house here and obviously Charlotte only comes for one of the two. And I was like, you guys, I live there. Come on, let me, let me, come, let me in it. And I remember, I remember one night we were shooting at the Standard, which obviously closed as well, sadly. And they said to me, go home and go to bed and then come back at 3am And I was like, okay.

B (47:10)

It was so wild. Like, I finally got to sleep in my own bed.

A (47:13)

Right.

B (47:14)

We weren't really sleeping.

A (47:15)

No, exactly. Exactly.

B (47:17)

At least I know I'm in the same city where my bed is.

A (47:20)

Exactly. That's how I felt too. I was like, the joy is that I can go home and go to sleep and then get back up and drive back over here at 3:00am, which I will do. Happy to do it. Yeah, we were. I mean, we were. We were younger and we were super excited. I know, right?

B (47:35)

God, I don't. I don't know how we did. And you know, you talk about getting Covid. It's like we didn't get sick often,

A (47:42)

and if we did, they just handed out the Z pack.

B (47:45)

Yep.

A (47:45)

They were like, here you go. Enjoy. Keep. Keep it going. Keep it going. Oh, you can't talk here. We're gonna give you prednisone. It was so. It was a lot. It was interesting. But again, do it again. In a heartbeat.

B (48:01)

In a heartbeat. Yeah.

A (48:02)

Yeah. Jenny, you're a joy.

B (48:04)

You're a joy. This is so much fun.

A (48:06)

I know. Thank you for.

B (48:09)

Yay.

A (48:09)

Yay. Yay. Yay. It's good to have you. It's good to have you because sometimes I need to have your perspective to. To put with whatever vague memories I have, you know?

B (48:18)

Well, together we. We can find one memory.

A (48:20)

Totally. We can patch them. Yes. I love it. I love it so much. Thank you. Have a great day.

B (48:27)

You have a great day. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

A (48:30)

Bye, everybody.

B (48:30)

Bye.

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