THE L WORD with Brian Van Holt... (S2 E10 "The Caste System")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

THE L WORD with Brian Van Holt (Sex and the City S2E10: “The Caste System”)

Podcast by iHeartPodcasts | Host: Kristin Davis | Guest: Brian Van Holt
Episode Date: August 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kristin Davis welcomes actor Brian Van Holt, who famously guest-starred as movie star “Wylie Ford” in the Sex and the City season 2 episode “The Caste System.” Together, they reminisce about the electric atmosphere of late-90s New York, the behind-the-scenes realities of shooting the show, and how Sex and the City became an unexpected cultural phenomenon. Their conversation blends hilarious on-set memories, real talk about sobriety in Hollywood, and reflections on careers, fame, and the power of discovering new talent.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Revisiting the “Caste System” Episode & Life in ‘90s NYC

• Setting the Scene: Kristin and Brian paint a vivid picture of filming Sex and the City in 1999 New York, a time of energy, opportunity, and innocence before the explosion of social media (04:43–08:13).
  • Kristin Davis: “I remember that time as being that summer…It was kind of a glorious year.” (05:14)
  • Brian Van Holt: “To be in New York in the 90s was special in and of itself…I have one of my favorite moments of my—not just my career, but my life—was that time in New York.” (05:47–06:21)
• Old-School Acting Realities: Brian reveals he kept a Manhattan storage unit for years, filled with relics from his early career—most notably, pagers—highlighting a bygone era before cell phones dominated. (07:03–07:40)
  • Brian Van Holt: “When I went back to finally clean [the unit] out…two pagers, poems…I had written and taken back from my ex girlfriends and, like, weird stuff…notes, journals, and bad furniture.” (07:22–07:52)
• The Freedom of Pre-Internet Fame: Kristin and Brian reminisce about the liberty and anonymity actors enjoyed before ubiquitous smartphones and online scrutiny. (07:53–08:13)
  • Kristin: “So free, you could kind of do anything you wanted and no one knew.” (08:08)
  • Brian: “I miss those days.” (08:13)

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Brian’s Casting & Reflecting on His Character, “Wylie Ford”

• Competitive Casting Process:
  • Brian describes how coveted Sex and the City guest roles were for actors and how he landed his spot on the show (08:35–10:12).
    • Brian: “To be on your show was such a big deal. Everybody wanted to be on it…It was a juggernaut. Cultural, like, pioneering…It was very competitive to be on your show and it was a big deal.” (08:35–09:16)
• Character Origins:
  • The character of Wylie Ford was loosely inspired by rumors around the infamous “Pussy Posse” of ‘90s New York (Leonardo DiCaprio & friends). (14:06–14:32)
    • Brian: “That character, Wiley Ford, was loosely based on the Posse shenanigans.” (14:22–14:31)
    • Kristin: “They probably kept that from me so that I wouldn’t judge it harshly.” (14:32)
• On Playing a “Douchebag Movie Star”:
  • Brian found creative catharsis playing someone so unlike himself and brought humor and self-awareness to the experience. (14:36–15:36)
    • Brian: “I get to channel my inner douchebag…and it was…very therapeutic.” (14:36–14:52)
    • Kristin: “I just thought you were perfectly cast because…you embody that kind of like, really relaxed confidence… almost like a Leonardo DiCaprio thing, but…in our minds, I think it was a George Clooney thing or a Brad Pitt thing.” (13:38–14:06)

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Behind-the-Scenes Memories & KristIn’s Experience

• Positive On-Set Environment:
  • Kristin recalls the joy and comfort of having Brian on set, remarking how pleasant the experience was, versus how “jerky” his character was on screen. (12:11–16:38)
    • Kristin: “I thought you were so perfectly cast because you were having to play a movie star, which is a very hard thing to do.” (12:20)
    • Brian: “You were so…gracious and welcoming…That was, you know, super. Nervous to do this, were you?” (12:11)
    • Kristin: “No, you weren’t that way. In any way, shape or form. You were a joy, you know, and so I just remember the positives…” (15:49)
• Unexpected Realism:
  • Kristin is surprised by how much she’d forgotten about her own character’s storyline and Wylie’s behavior until she rewatched the episode. (13:21–13:38)
    • Kristin: “I hadn’t remembered the douchebag part. Really? Yeah…I totally forgot this entire scene. That entire scene at the restaurant washed from my brain.”

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Discussing Sobriety and Hollywood Culture

• Navigating Sobriety in the ‘90s:
  • Kristin and Brian have a heartfelt discussion about the challenge of maintaining sobriety in an era (and industry) so closely tied to partying, sharing their own stories. (19:47–22:30)
    • Kristin: “I wasn’t drinking or doing drugs, so I wasn’t really cool, you know, ever…And I was like, I hope I can still succeed without doing all this stuff. And it was not clear in the 90s if you could.” (19:47–19:59)
    • Brian: “It would have been so difficult. It’s more acceptable now. You’re absolutely right. It would have been extremely difficult…probably drank too much and really had a good time in New York, you know.” (22:06–22:23)
  • Memorable Exchange:
    • Kristin: "I was open [about sobriety], but it seemed weird...I didn’t obviously know that the show was gonna go on so long and be this humongous thing..." (23:28–23:33)

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The Impact of Sex and the City

• The Early Days of the Show:
  • Kristin reflects on the show’s uncertain start, not realizing from the inside how quickly it became a phenomenon and guest roles became highly sought-after. (31:59–33:49)
    • Kristin: “In my mind…it took till season three till we were even like on the map. So it’s super interesting for me to hear from people…everyone wanted to be on that show. It was the thing.” (31:59–32:45)
  • Enduring Legacy:
    • Brian shares how younger generations—including his own wife—still seek out Sex and the City, with DVDs turning into family heirlooms even in the streaming age. (35:04–35:52)
    • Brian: “Even…the kids, I say kids, and young adults today…are huge fans and so sweet.” (35:38–35:52)
    • Kristin on the show’s legacy: “I just don’t know how I lucked out so much.” (35:52)
    • Brian: “I lucked out to be…One episode—100% impactful episode. That one episode led to a lot of good things in my life.” (35:57–36:07)

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Show Business Anecdotes and The Nature of Acting Careers

• Early Career Crossroads:
  • Brian recounts the whirlwind week when, while shooting Sex and the City, he was also auditioning for and landing other major roles—highlighting the unpredictability of acting work in New York. (47:23–48:41)
    • Brian: “Such a crazy week in my life…While we’re shooting our episode, Les Moonves…the head of CBS—I auditioned…You guys let me run uptown to meet with Les…And it got the gig.” (47:23–48:41)
• Lessons in Persistence:
  • Brian tells the story of fighting to get an audition for the David Milch show “Deadwood,” tying in how vital persistence and personal connections can be in landing “the right part.” (42:09–44:42)
    • Brian: “I will go there in person. I will break that door down. I’m doing this thing. I’m not taking no for an answer.” (44:28–44:42)
• Discovering and Nurturing Talent:
  • Kristin: “I love that part of our business—finding talent, being able to support talent, discover talent, show talent to the world, create a safe environment for them.” (45:51–46:27)
  • The two note that Sex and the City gave many “unknown” actors their first big break, listing examples like Timothy Olyphant and Dan Futterman. (42:21–45:47)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On New York’s Magic:
  • Brian: “Being in your 20s and in the 90s in New York City…an incredible time to be alive.” (05:47)
• On Pre-Fame Innocence:
  • Kristin: “You don’t really know at the time how special it is.” (06:21)
• On Wiley’s Inspiration:
  • Brian: “That character, Wiley Ford, was loosely based on the…Pussy Posse shenanigans.” (14:22)
• On Guest-Starring on SATC:
  • Brian: “To be on your show was such a big deal. Everybody wanted to be on it…it was a big deal.” (08:35–09:16)
• On Playing Unlike Yourself:
  • Kristin: “I hadn’t remembered the douchebag part. Really?…I totally forgot this entire scene.” (13:21)
  • Brian: “I get to channel my inner douchebag…and it was…very therapeutic.” (14:36)
• On Sobriety Struggles in Hollywood:
  • Kristin: “I hope I can still succeed without doing all this stuff. And it was not clear in the 90s if you could.” (19:47)
  • Brian: “It’s more acceptable now…then, probably drank too much and really had a good time in New York.” (22:06)
• On Not Realizing the Show’s Importance:
  • Kristin: “When you’re in it, you don’t really know…for us, we were still—‘We gotta get out there and get all the press we can get.’” (32:45)
• On Cultural Impact:
  • Brian: “It helped shape our generation and culture, and still does…even today, my wife…her friends…still have the [DVD] collection in pink.” (35:08–35:36)
• On Early Career Chaos:
  • Brian: “I went from Wiley Ford to Eamon McBride, tested the thing, and hauled ass back down to Soho…” (48:21)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Reminiscing about 1999 NYC: 04:43–08:13
• Landing the SATC Role: 08:35–10:12
• Origin of Wiley Ford & "Pussy Posse": 14:06–14:32
• Discussing Sobriety in Hollywood: 19:47–22:30
• On Sex and the City’s Impact: 31:59–35:52
• Career Crossroads Story: 47:23–48:41

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Tone & Style

The conversation is nostalgic, candid, and frequently humorous—balancing the glamour and drama of show business with down-to-earth self-awareness. Kristin’s warmth and memory for people contrasts with Brian’s good-natured, often self-deprecating storytelling.

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers listeners not just juicy behind-the-scenes Sex and the City stories, but a heartfelt look at what it meant to be young, ambitious, and (sometimes) overwhelmed inside one of TV’s most iconic phenomena. Brian and Kristin’s rapport makes for an enjoyable, honest ride through the “caste system”—of both fictional romance and real-life acting.

Transcript

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? You guys, everyone listening. Thank you for joining us. We are here Are youe with Charlotte with the Incredible Brian Van Hulk. I am so excited to have him here.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, I am so excited to be here. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

It's funny. It's such a great episode and plus, I just love to see you.

[Brian Van Holt]

I love to see you too. I have such great memories of that period, that, that moment in, in our lives and that whole experience and, and you know, a lot of it, you know, had to do with you and you know, you just, you're one of a kind and I'm so It's just. I'm just so happy to see you.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Let's talk about that time, because I remember that time as being that summer. It would have been 2000. Right. Or 1999. Are we still in 1999?

[Brian Van Holt]

I think we're in the 90s.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. We're 99. We're dating. I don't even know if I should say. But, like, I remember talking about 1999. This episode is called the Caste System and it aired on August 8, 8th, 1999. So we had filmed it, like in the spring, you know, I think. Right. Like, not too far in advance. And I remember, like, it was kind of a glorious year.

[Brian Van Holt]

It was the second. It was a glorious year. And to be in New York in the 90s was special in and of itself. And I was in my 20s and being in your 20s and in the 90s in New York City, you know, beginning in trying to make it as an actor, as an artist, was an incredible. An incredible time to, To. To be alive. I have the fondest, the best memories. I have one of my favorite moments of my. Not just my career, but my life was. Was that time in New York.

[Kristin Davis]

It was a good time. Right. But we had no idea, really. You know, I guess. Which is always true. You don't really know at the time how special it is.

[Brian Van Holt]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

And I remember, right. You're just in it, right?

[Brian Van Holt]

And so my parents, my dad, you know, you know, say that all the time or said that all the time. You just don't know how, how good we have bit or had it until it's gone or it just. Yeah, you just.

[Kristin Davis]

It's.

[Brian Van Holt]

It's hard, you know, it's. It was. Yeah, it was, it was. It's. Looking back, it was. You know, people don't get it. The younger generation, I try to explain to them, I mean, this is before, when cell phones just came out. I didn't have. I mean, I probably just got a cell phone when we were shooting your little flip.

[Kristin Davis]

I get it out in the episode, remember?

[Brian Van Holt]

Well, I had, you know, I'm going to jump all over the place. I had a pager. So I, When I, When I. I didn't want to move, move back to la. I thought it was going to be temporary, but I got a storage unit in, In Manhattan because I thought it was going to come back.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

And when I went back to finally clean it out, not that long ago, by the way.

[Kristin Davis]

What.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, my God. Well, I'm like. I'm like, what do I still. I'M still paying Manhattan stor.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh my God.

[Brian Van Holt]

Or whatever.

[Kristin Davis]

No way.

[Brian Van Holt]

And I go, what the hell do I have in here? It was like I had first of all, two pagers. Pagers.

[Kristin Davis]

Love it.

[Brian Van Holt]

Remember those bell pagers things? The two pages poems that I had written and taken back from my ex girlfriends and like weird. Just stuff that notes, journals and bad furniture.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Brian Van Holt]

But the pagers, yeah, we were, you know, it was a different time. Meaning we didn't have social media, we didn't have cell phone. I mean cell phone cameras probably just came out. But it was more of an innocent free period.

[Kristin Davis]

So free you could kind of do anything you wanted and no one knew.

[Brian Van Holt]

I miss those days.

[Kristin Davis]

So do I.

[Brian Van Holt]

So do I.

[Kristin Davis]

Can you go back? Let me ask you what was going on because this is the kind of thing where like at the time I remember being so excited that we got you. I don't know exactly. Like we were in the middle of the season and as you know, we would shoot really late and you know, I was really tired but. But I don't remember like what was going on in your career. How did it. Did you go to auditions? Did we just call you? What? That's.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm so glad that you asked it because I was trying to remember how that came about because the show, first of all to. To be on your show was such a heat, was such a big deal. Everybody wanted to be on it is the second season it just, you know, obviously everybody knows what happened first season right out of the gates. It just is a juggernaut. Cultural, like pioneering is very important and amazing show. And so it was very competitive within our. With I'm sure across the country, but especially in New York. It's a right, you know, this smaller group of. Just a smaller group of actors and smaller business in general. But it was very competitive to be on your show and it was a big deal.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

To get it to be on. And I had think I had auditioned a couple times for other parts. For other parts. And I think it was. Was it Carrie Bart who was the casting director?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, Carrie Barton.

[Brian Van Holt]

Billy Hopkins.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Good.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. For other parts on the show or some other shows. But I, you know, it was when I first moved, when I moved to New York, that's when I really started to work as an actor and get a job here.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing. That's so weird.

[Brian Van Holt]

And I know I had to move to New York to make it.

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe you just look too good because like a lot of the good looking actors were here in la.

[Brian Van Holt]

It Was me. Yeah. No, I. I definitely probably looked a little different or stood out a little different than the. The.

[Kristin Davis]

The New York actor.

[Brian Van Holt]

The New York. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

But so I had just. I didn't really. I mean, I had just finished the film with, you know, independent film opposite, you know, Amanda Pete, and I'd done a few gigs like Homicide. I did all the New York shows. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my gosh. Amazing.

[Brian Van Holt]

I had done Homicide.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, Homicide was amazing. Such a great show.

[Brian Van Holt]

And I think that's part of. That's. That's. I think that character and that role helped get me this job.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

I played the Andrew Cunanan of Baltimore. Basically. I was a gay hustler killing rich gay men.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't remember this. I've got to rewatch Homicide on the street. Oh, my gosh, Brian.

[Brian Van Holt]

Well, it's. You're going to laugh. Me too, because I've been so lucky and so fortunate to play these characters that have these incredible lines or dialogue.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

And then we'll talk about our phenomenal.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Van Holt]

Which I still, to this day, I. I hear about it to this day. Yeah. It's some great stories. I can't wait to share some stories with you. But you can go ahead.

[Kristin Davis]

Go ahead whenever you want.

[Brian Van Holt]

We had so much to unpack.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

But so. So anyway, yeah, I played. I. That role helped. I think. We sent the. The. The VHS cassette reel tape to. To the producer for your. To your show. And I don't know if I got an offer, if I had to audition for this particular role, but I remember reading the script and dying going, oh, my God, do I really get to do this? Do I really get to play this guy, Wiley Ford?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

Which, you know, you. We can. You probably know more about it than I do, but I was.

[Kristin Davis]

I know I don't.

[Brian Van Holt]

Do you ever. Do you guys have table reads back then?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

We had table reads. I don't remember our table read, though.

[Brian Van Holt]

No, I don't. We didn't have one.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Brian Van Holt]

I mean, the whole. The whole character and all our scenes are.

[Kristin Davis]

It's hysterical.

[Brian Van Holt]

Classic. Yes. We probably moshed it up more than we actually talked. And, you know, the limos.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm sure we did. I have no doubt. My face was so red.

[Brian Van Holt]

Zeke, that was so funny. Nice to meet you. Get in the back of the limos. 100%.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. But it wasn't hard. It worked out.

[Brian Van Holt]

It was so kind, by the way. You were so, you know, gracious and welcoming, and to be honest, that was, you know, super. Nervous to do this, were you?

[Kristin Davis]

I could not tell.

[Brian Van Holt]

Really.

[Kristin Davis]

I thought you were so perfectly cast because you were having to play a movie star, which is a very hard thing to do.

[Brian Van Holt]

Perfect. Douchebag movie star.

[Kristin Davis]

Douchebag movie star.

[Brian Van Holt]

100%. No, I am. That's perfect. It's not. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Kristin Davis]

Stop. That's not true.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm just joking.

[Kristin Davis]

But what's funny. And this is what's funny about rewatching in my mind. Right. I hadn't remembered the douchebag part. Really? Yeah. I just remember that I loved you and you were great and I enjoyed kissing you and it was fun because it was a departure from Charlotte's kind of normal storylines. Right. And at that point, she is kind of all over the place in certain ways that I also am sometimes, like, oh, my God, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. I don't remember, but I remember you very clearly because it was so much fun and I thought it was so great. And it's really weird to rewatch and see number one. You are such a jerk in the end. Your character, of course not. You like. But I don't remember. I was like, oh, my God, I totally forgot this entire scene. That entire scene at the restaurant washed from my brain.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Just the happy art. Art scene and the car makeup scene.

[Brian Van Holt]

The gallery scene is hysterical.

[Kristin Davis]

So great.

[Brian Van Holt]

Well written. I mean.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

The whole episode. You know, the show in general is. It's so good.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a good one.

[Brian Van Holt]

But I was, you know. Yeah, I was really. I was, you know, nervous.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I just thought you were perfectly cast because to me, you embody that kind of like, really relaxed confidence. I mean, you're beautiful, obviously. You're tall and so good looking, but don't really know it and care. You know what I'm saying? You've got that ease, you know? And like, at that point, like, when I look back on it, it seems almost like a Leonardo DiCaprio thing. But at the time, in our minds, I think it was a George Clooney thing or a Brad Pitt thing.

[Brian Van Holt]

I think this. My character was loosely based on Leo and Toby in the.

[Kristin Davis]

And Toby.

[Brian Van Holt]

Can I have my. We.

[Kristin Davis]

You can say anything you want.

[Brian Van Holt]

I don't even know if this is true. This is probably all rumored and hearsay, but. No, I want to hear Posse.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

Remember the Pussy Posse?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I do. Oh, my God.

[Brian Van Holt]

So that character, Wiley Ford, was loosely based on the. The Posse shenanigans.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it. Okay.

[Brian Van Holt]

That's what I was told.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow. They probably kept that from me so that I wouldn't judge it harshly.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm glad they did. I'm glad they did, but. And, you know, I just, you know, I'm like, this is great. I get to channel my inner douchebag. And I just kind of embraced it. And it was, you know, not only, you know, fulfilling, you know, creatively, but it was also very therapeutic.

[Kristin Davis]

Was it?

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, you know, because, you know, I. That part of the business, you know, I had a real. I still struggle with the business, you know, and especially when I get it. Yeah. And especially being young and, you know, that's half the reason why I left LA to move to New York. I love la and I love California. I'm a California kid. Just the business in New York was more, I think, more suited for what I was trying to do.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

And so I have a very strong opinion and judgment about certain Hollywood things, you know, and rightly so. Yeah. And so I had enjoyed trying to go, how can I be as douchey as possible to represent something that I don't really care for?

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely. And who would care for that? I mean, ick. It's so icky. And that's so funny to me that I didn't remember that part, but I think I didn't remember that part because you're so not that way. Right. So, like, that part was the scene that we did and we had to. That.

[Brian Van Holt]

I hope not.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, no, you weren't that way. In any way, shape or form. You were a joy, you know, and so I just remember the positives because, you know, as an actor, you remember the experience of filming more so than the finished product.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, exactly. You know, that's a good point. It's true. Yeah. But, you know, I did. So I did a lot of research for that, for that role just to, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

How did that go? Did you learn new things?

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, he came out with a few wounds. No, I. No, I'm just kidding.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, you look. You could have been doing all that stuff if you wanted to. I mean, seriously, you could have.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, my Lord, you could have.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember you were very devoted. You were very devoted boyfriend. It was adorable.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, I see. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Meaning, like, at the time, you know, you were. You were very much not like a player or all the things that you were. That your part was. You were not that.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And I respected that. It was impressive.

[Brian Van Holt]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

You're welcome.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Well, hey, if I weren't, I'm Definitely a Charlene. I meant Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't remember that part either. I was like, oh, my God. He just keeps calling me by my wrong name and I'm just hanging in there. And the other thing that I didn't remember. And then we'll get to the whole show. But, like, our storyline is pretty funny, I have to say. It's pretty good and succinct, but so good. You know what I'm saying? Like, so packed. Like when I call Carrie and she literally sits up in bed and says, get out of there right now. And I completely ignore her. Like, it is not even. I'm just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's peeing in the alley. Isn't that funny? He's taking a leak.

[Brian Van Holt]

I said.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm like, isn't that adorable? I mean, it's Charlotte. Like, if she'd taken drugs or whatever. Like, it's so interesting and that I had not even remembered that you blow pot smoke. And. And I, at the same time, was trying to navigate our business mostly in la, because I do associate that kind of, like, weird behavior and kind of party vibe and all that with la.

[Brian Van Holt]

A hundred percent.

[Kristin Davis]

But I was already sober. And I did have kind of similar experiences to this, where I'd be at, like, a dinner party set up with an actor I could name. But I probably. I don't know if I should. But, like, I think it had happened maybe the year before this. I'm watching it and I'm thinking, did I tell our writers this story? You know, back then, like, we would feel very paranoid, like, if we talked to the writers, that it might end up in the show. Right?

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, God, that's true.

[Kristin Davis]

We would try to be like, oh, dude, they're coming. Be quiet, be quiet. If we were, like, talking to each other, you know, in our chairs. Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

That's a great point. That's exact. That does happen.

[Kristin Davis]

It totally does happen. And because our writers were always trying to not write fictional things, like someone had to know someone or whatever. But usually it was their stories which gave us kind of the freedom to play them if they weren't our own. Right. But, like, I had had an experience with. With a situation where think. I think a lawyer that I knew had said, oh, should I just tell the story? I should just tell the story. So I had been set up by a really nice lawyer who I still know. He's not my lawyer, but he's a nice lawyer. And I've been set up with Matthew Perry. And this is like, 98 99, 97, maybe. I feel like it was like between Melrose Place, which I did before City, and it was at a house. It was a dinner party. It was so low key, I thought I was like, oh, it's so low key. And I remember I had taken a bunch of roses from my garden, looked at me like, you're so weird. But I was like, whatever. So I go to this dinner party, I bring my little flowers, you know, it's a bunch of Hollywood people. I don't even know who all was there other than this lawyer and Matthew. I feel like I met Matthew briefly. You know, how you would meet everyone out and about. But I wasn't drinking or doing drugs, so I wasn't really cool, you know, ever. Right. Which was fine, you know, And I was like, I hope I can still succeed without doing all this stuff. And it was not clear in the 90s if you could.

[Brian Van Holt]

Right. Do you know what I mean? I do.

[Kristin Davis]

It was a lot going on.

[Brian Van Holt]

A lot, right? Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

So I go to this dinner party. Matthew's lovely. He sits next to me and he's talking about how thrilled he is, how happy they are on the set at Friends. And he was doing a film with. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God. It's going to come to me in a minute. Amazing actress, still functioning. Great, great, great woman. Salma Hayek.

[Brian Van Holt]

Salma Hayek. I was just gonna say Salma Hayek.

[Kristin Davis]

Good job. She's out in the desert, right? So, like, he would film at Friends and then they'd put him in a car and drive him out to the desert and they'd film all night. Then he'd drive back. It was very hard, Right. Which I think is kind of how some of his problems got really aggravated and exacerbated. I was like, wow, he's so happy. And I had been around Melrose and it wasn't the happiest place in a way, and it was stressy. There were 15 series regulars. Everyone had the feeling they might get cut or whatever. It was kind of competitive and stressy. So I was like, wow, that's amazing. You're so happy. So cut to after dinner and all the pot comes out and they start just passing the pot around. And I'm like, oh, also me and pot, very bad combination. I had earlier found out before I was sober, like, I just get super paranoid and unhappy and time stops. Like, it's a horrible, horrible experience. Right?

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So I'm like, number one. I was really into my sobriety at that point because you kind of had to be in the middle.

[Brian Van Holt]

I did not know that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

And that's. I'm proud. That's amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so lucky.

[Brian Van Holt]

I was sober for a while.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

As well. Not that good. I love it. It was the best thing I ever did. I'm no longer sober. I have to be honest, so. But you can be honest no longer. Well, I'm. I like to lie a lot. Sorry. No. But I'm. There's a lot of people in our industry that are. Are sober and.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

Doing extremely well. And I was fortunate enough to be part of certain men's at that time with a lot of our.

[Kristin Davis]

I've heard about these.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Never been to men's groups.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. There's. There's one rule that you don't fit.

[Kristin Davis]

There's one rule that I'm not going to work out. But I love to hear. Whenever I do meet someone who has those experiences, I'm so happy because, as we're saying, in the 90s, it just seemed like to. To fit in and be cool and.

[Brian Van Holt]

It would have been so difficult. It's more. It's more acceptable now. You know, you're absolutely. I know what you're saying. You're absolutely right. It would have been extremely difficult. I couldn't have, you know, and I probably, you know, tipped over to the, you know, probably drank too much and had. I really had a good time in.

[Kristin Davis]

New York, you know, which is great. I mean, I'm glad. And I just think you don't know, you know, till, you know that it's too much.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I. Yeah, I hope. Wow. That's, you know, bold. I didn't know that. And.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

You know, I'm glad you didn't say anything because then I probably would have been so timid to, you know, do the thing. Fake smoke a joint.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right.

[Brian Van Holt]

And, you know, we're, you know, even though it was like this, the oregano flavored. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I don't even know what it was.

[Brian Van Holt]

It wasn't. It wasn't real weed.

[Kristin Davis]

That's. No, it definitely wasn't real.

[Brian Van Holt]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

But so, like, when I watched myself in that scene, it wasn't necessarily hard. I did feel also. Because obviously we also drink a lot, and that had been my main thing. Right. And it became difficult later on because I remember at one point they put the four of us on the COVID of, like, either Newsweek or Time. I don't remember which one. I don't know if we were holding our Cosmos in the picture. And they said something like, is Sex and the City responsible for the drinking problem with the young people? Or whatever. And I was like, oh my God, it is so stressful to try to walk both lines that I was sober.

[Brian Van Holt]

In life, but obviously, were you public with the sobriety?

[Kristin Davis]

I was. I was. I mean, I don't know how. I don't know how open or out front I would put it in the beginning because it seemed weird, you know, a little bit. Right. And I didn't obviously know that the show was gonna go on so long and be this humongous thing. And all Famous Footwear has the latest styles and all the iconic brands your kids love for back to school from Nike, Adidas, Jordan brand Crocs, Converse, New Balance, Birkenstock and more. All at a great value. There's something for everyone in the family. And I know for myself, I cannot even keep up with the shoes that my kids want. So the fact that there are so many choices at Famous footwear and that I can get them the next size up as soon as they outgrow the ones they have and not have to break the bank to get them the shoes that they want is incredible. Plus, they make it so incredibly easy because you can just order online because I know I don't have time to go to the shoe store. These kids grow so fast. You have to just buy shoes all the time. I feel so. I love Famous Footwear because they make it so easy. It saves me so much time. They have over 830 stores. They're just around the corner from wherever you are. Plus, buy online, pick up in store and same day delivery options. Powered by doordash make shopping at Famous so easy and convenient. Kids feet grow fast. Famous Footwear has fit experts in store to make sure you get the right size every time. I like that. You don't have to overspend to make it famous right now. Buy one pair of shoes, get one half off at your local famous footwear store or famous.com see store associate for details. Big savings, bold vehicles and the perfect time to make your move. That's what the Hyundai getaway sales event is all about. And it's happening right now. Whether you're looking to upgrade your daily commute, prep for a summer of road trips, or finally make the switch to electric, Hyundai has a lineup that covers every lifestyle, every budget, and every kind of driver. Hyundai is rolling out incredible deals on some of the most award winning vehicles like the versatile Kona, the sleek Tucson, the Road Trip ready Santa Fe and the fully loaded family favorite Palisade prefer a tech savvy sedan. The Elantra is packed with features and the Sonata is Hyundai's most advanced yet. It's a serious standout and for those ready to go electric, Hyundai is leading the charge. The all electric Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 deliver bold design, ultra fast charging and seriously impressive range, all while qualifying for potential EV incentives depending on your state. But here's the part that really sets Hyundai apart. It's not just about what you drive off the lot, it's what comes with it. Every new Hyundai is backed by America's best warranty, a 10 year 100,000 mile powertrain, limited warranty that's industry leading coverage that brings real peace of mind. And with three years or 36,000 miles of limited complimentary maintenance on every new 2025 model, Hyundai keeps delivering long after you've driven off the lot. You're not just buying a car, you're getting value, confidence and a company that truly has your back. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or or call 562-314-4603 for more details. Offers end September 2, 2025 hey, it's.

[Brian Van Holt]

Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through August 26th, it's back to Deals time where you can enjoy storewide deals and earn four times points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Califia Farms, Pillsbury Crescent, Yoplait, General Mills, Prego, Bertoli, Heinz and Kraft. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pickup or delivery subject to availability restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

Didn't I take it to Milady's after?

[Kristin Davis]

Did you?

[Brian Van Holt]

Didn't we go to Milady's after the show? Because I think we had.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't remember that.

[Brian Van Holt]

And then I think you didn't drink. I don't remember. Remember we were meeting a bunch of people. No, Millie, it's in Princeton. It's not there anymore. It's the neighborhood bar, restaurant.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Brian Van Holt]

Dive at a great pool table and jukebox.

[Kristin Davis]

But how adorable. My princess.

[Brian Van Holt]

Sullivan.

[Kristin Davis]

I was trying. Oh, Princeton Sullivan. How great. I remember that area. I was always trying to find a way to be social.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, you were.

[Kristin Davis]

So. You were. But not.

[Brian Van Holt]

You should go.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I'm saying?

[Brian Van Holt]

I remember you showed up, hung out for a little bit, and then you. You.

[Kristin Davis]

I probably bolted. And also probably. I was exhausted and you probably.

[Brian Van Holt]

You were. I was impressed with.

[Kristin Davis]

You had a girlfriend, so I was probably trying to behave.

[Brian Van Holt]

Frankly, I probably wasn't. So.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I feel like you were. I feel like you really, really were. You talked so sweetly about her. I was very impressed. Two young, hot upcoming actors, so loyal and adorable. It was very impressive.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, those are the good old days.

[Kristin Davis]

It was the good old days. But that moment when you do in that scene where you lean over and blow the pot, my face.

[Brian Van Holt]

I.

[Kristin Davis]

When I'm watching myself, I have such an understanding that I'm pulling on these other ex that had happened.

[Brian Van Holt]

Now I'm going to look at that. I'm going to watch that scene again.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm going to say, well, just because it. Not like it's horrible or anything, just like it's so familiar to one person.

[Brian Van Holt]

Good. I mean, wow. Yeah, there's. Yeah. There's a lot going on.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know.

[Brian Van Holt]

But they can't.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know.

[Brian Van Holt]

I love about what we do, those moments, especially, like, even though they're probably difficult. The first thing you know, when I went to go test and I don't know who if it was Carolyn or Chris or who. And I heard your podcast because there was. There wasn't that many people in the room when you tested, but.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

This was. Now HBO is a different monster.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Brian Van Holt]

So there was like. There were so many people in the room. Yes. It was.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Brian Van Holt]

Terrifying. But I, you know, and they were kind enough not to say anything prior to me actually auditioning and going through my thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

But afterwards they were going, you know, they all mentioned Wiley Ford and how much they loved that show. They did love that episode.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so nice.

[Brian Van Holt]

It was super sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

That's good, that's good, that's good.

[Brian Van Holt]

We loved you in Sex and the City and we're just so happy that our paths are crossing again.

[Kristin Davis]

Good, I love to hear that.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I do think it's interesting and I'm not objective, obviously, but rewatching the show and we'll rewatch technically in a second, everyone who's listening, you know, in my mind, like you started by saying, oh, it was this thing that all the actors wanted. Like, in my mind, it took till season three, till we were even like on the map. Right. So it's super interesting for me to hear from people who were in New York and other actors like, oh, everyone wanted to be on that show. It was the thing. And it's gratifying, but like, at the same time, when you're in it, you don't really know, you know what I'm saying? Like, for us, we were still. I remember times they'd say, like, you've got to get out there and get all the press we can get. Like, because Asia didn't really have hits yet. Right. Because Sopranos was equal with us.

[Brian Van Holt]

We were.

[Kristin Davis]

Came on at the same time and like, we would just talk to anyone and everyone. Like, I just found this really cute clip of an episode. I think it's the end of season two when we're on the rooftop. We haven't gotten to it yet, but I think Entertainment Tonight or ew, I don't know, Entertain, I don't know, one of the, you know, old fashioned entertainment shows comes to the set and Sarah talks to them at length. At length. Do you know what I mean? On the street. It's so interesting. I just Remember that? We would just talk to anybody and we would have to explain the show. She would be like, it's four women, and Charlotte's the hopeful one. And Miranda, she's, you know, she's very smart and kind of cynical. And then there's Samantha, and, you know, she just embraces her sexuality. Like, she's explaining from the beginning. And this is second season, the end of second season. Like, for us mentally, we felt like we were still trying to climb that hill, you know?

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But I think in some ways that's great, right? Because you're in it and you're just committed and you're just like, we gotta. We gotta make it great. We gotta get out there and.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Sell it. You know what I'm saying? That was that vibe.

[Brian Van Holt]

I do, I do. Yeah. It's probably. It's good that you didn't recognize the power in the success.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

And you know what I mean? You didn't get caught up in that.

[Kristin Davis]

We so weren't. Because we didn't.

[Brian Van Holt]

That's a bless. That's a gift.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, it is. And it took a while. And I remember now because it's obviously 800 million years later, and we've done the other show and we've done the movies and we've done all these different things, and this other show is ending. Which brings me back in my mind at the time that the first show ended, which of course, could have been the ending for the whole thing. I'd never believed that because I'm me, right? And we had talked about doing a film, which ended up happening many years later, as Chris and Ibrecht and I discussed on the. But it's so interesting to think about. I remember at the time that we ended the first show, we would go places as a group, award shows or press or whatever, and people would say, like, it's iconic. And we'd be like, stop, stop, stop. Don't say that. Like, it was so weird to hear that word.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, I can imagine.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, because it's not like we were that old. The show hadn't been on that long. Like, it was. You know, and now I look back on it and I'm like, they were right.

[Brian Van Holt]

Pioneering. Absolutely right. It's a big deal. It is.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's only just now really sinking in.

[Brian Van Holt]

I mean, it's like, really. Oh, my God. It helped shape our. Our generation and our culture, and still do.

[Kristin Davis]

Which is bizarre.

[Brian Van Holt]

I know, but you still have that kind of. That. That impact and that outreach to. Even today, my wife owns. She's 10 years younger, but she and her friends still they have the, the DVD now. I can't believe we have. They don't even watch DVDs. But she does have the whole collection in the pink.

[Kristin Davis]

With the pink. Yes, yes, I remember.

[Brian Van Holt]

We still haven't. We're never getting rid of it even though everybody streams everything. But, but even, you know, in the, in, you know, the, in the kids. I say kids and the young adults today go back and watch it and, and are huge fans and so sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so amazing. Do you know what I mean? Like, I just don't know how I lucked out so much.

[Brian Van Holt]

You know, I, I feel you and I and I and I. I'm very fortunate. I lucked out to be. I do.

[Kristin Davis]

One episode, 100% impactful episode.

[Brian Van Holt]

That one episode led to a lot of good things in my life.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through August 26th it's back to Deals time where you can enjoy storewide deals and earn four times points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Kettle, Haagen, Dazs, M&MS. Ritz, Chips Ahoy, Arrowhead, All Poppy, Charman and Red Bull. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pickup or delivery subject to availability restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, I got a great. So the whole. So hbo, Timothy Oliphant. I don't know. Because David Milch and Deadwood, I was a huge fan. I was almost in Deadwood for Timothy's no way.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Van Holt]

And I couldn't do it or, you know, even test for it or whatever because I was filming a film basic or something like that for six months. And so I missed that opportunity. And the job from Cincinnati opportunity almost didn't come up because there was some resistance because of my. They felt that I passed on and there's not a chance. That was my favorite shows and one of the best shows of all time.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow. So you had to convince them that.

[Brian Van Holt]

You hadn't threatened when I. When I sidetrack again. Like, I'm a massive.

[Kristin Davis]

I love it. I love it. Brian, you're right in my wheelhouse. Okay, Go for it.

[Brian Van Holt]

I was obsessed with Deadwood and David Milch, you know. Incredible.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

Even from, you know, NYPD Blue too, which is network television. And I just, I'm his biggest fan. I thought, you know, he's amazing. That he's like my, you know, I have to work with this Man. And I'm, you know, so upset that Deadwood didn't work out. Whatever. And then I was reading the newspaper when we used to read newspapers. Yes. And there was the article about the cancellation of Deadwood. And I was so upset. And my girlfriend at the time. Ex girlfriend and girlfriend at the time, she's like, just keep reading. And they cancel the show. But he's working on a new show about a dysfunctional surfing family. And I was like, what? And it's based. You know, it was sort of loosely. The family that was used as the vehicle to tell the story wasn't about their family. I knew very well. I grew up. I know you mean it.

[Kristin Davis]

The actual, real family.

[Brian Van Holt]

It's loosely. It's not. It's. It's inaccurate. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. Incredible.

[Brian Van Holt]

The son, the person that I, in a sense, played. It's just a small role. And it's crazy how this stuff works.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. He was a professional surfer, way better than I was. But, you know, I'd surf with him a few times. Knew the family very like, you know, that's amazing. It's crazy. But they didn't want to see me.

[Kristin Davis]

They didn't know you had to push your way in. Well, good for you.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. They said no. My agents, really, at the time, they were like, what did. They don't. They don't want to see you, dude. I don't understand. Like, if you don't give me an appointment or, you know, an audition time, I will go there in person. I will break that door down.

[Kristin Davis]

Love it.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm gonna see. I'm doing this thing. I'm not taking no for an answer.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm not that person.

[Kristin Davis]

No. Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

But when I get. When I get.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, when that was your show, you needed that. That show. I mean, I do believe in that.

[Brian Van Holt]

I was obsessed.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Like, you're part is your part, you know? But sometimes you do have to go through some obstacles to get that.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. I just like. But I love Timothy Oliphant. Yes. So as you were saying. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I think, like, Timothy, you. Dan Futterman, who's also. We haven't checked in with him. It's next week. I can't wait. I can't wait. Like, he's had such an interesting career that, you know, he's a showrunner now. Like, crazy.

[Brian Van Holt]

I don't want to. I'm gonna go look after we're done. I want to. I haven't heard Dan's name.

[Kristin Davis]

I know he's behind the scenes now, but he's Incredible. But so many people. I'm not even remembering everybody, obviously. I'm just thinking of my guys right now. But I mean, Tim wasn't my guy, but Timothy, it was his first job and he was so great. And that was our first season where it hadn't even been on the air, so no one knew anything about what we were doing. Remember, he plays like valley of the 20something guys and he's talking about his dream with his hands and giants.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, my God, I forgot.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, he made that all up.

[Brian Van Holt]

I forgot that.

[Kristin Davis]

That's amazing. Yep, yep. But I mean, there's a handful of you that I feel like, you know, our guys, I think, had great. Our casting directors and our producers had great taste and talent, you know, and it's so nice to be able to have young actors on because obviously that show was that show and with the. And just like that, we were able to have a different group of young actors playing our kids and whatnot. Right. Bizarre to say, but, you know, it's. It's a fun thing to be in the business and be able to be part of that. Like, I love that part of our business. Finding talent, being able to support talent, discover talent, show talent to the world, create a safe environment for them.

[Brian Van Holt]

You did. Yeah. You definitely created a great environment to create. But I gotta share this story. I don't know if you remember this too. This is another. And I think this helped me get this next gig. It was such a crazy week in my life. So while we're shooting our episode, Les Moonves, the head of cbs I auditioned for. So funny. The difference between going from doing your show playing Wiley Ford, you know, the douchey douchebag of all actors, to then sort of test it, to being a character. I was testing for a sitcom. I vaguely remember Love and Money, which was like Swoozie Kurtz, David Ogden Stiers. It was like Rob Long and Dan Staley were the showrunners. It was like Judy Greer, Padgett Brewster career. I replaced my friend who wasn't my friend at the time, but I became friends with Dash mihawk.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, wow.

[Brian Van Holt]

One of my favorite persons. And they were. It sucks because they wanted to replace him.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Brian Van Holt]

In the pilot. Oh. And last minute I'm in the. You know, Les wanted to. To I had whatever audition for and let go. Les wants to meet you. Test. And he's in New York for this. And he's in New York right now. He's gonna fly back tonight. Like, I'm filming, I'm working on sex. I'm working on Sex in the City.

[Kristin Davis]

You were hot. You were a hot commodity. I remember this.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm sure that didn't hurt, but.

[Kristin Davis]

And you guys, always good.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah, there was a we. You guys let me run uptown to meet with Les, and you and Al. He talked. I think you took us. I asked you because we're supposed to shoot all our stuff, and you.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

They changed up scenes so you could let me go. Yeah, go to go meet with Les. I remember taking the train up to, like, where. Where was CBS at the time? Like, 68 uptown. Yeah. Up the west side. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Like in one of the big buildings. Like a big high rise.

[Brian Van Holt]

Huge. Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

And sweating. I went from Wiley ford to Eamon McBride, tested the thing and hauled ass back down to Soho.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. And just, you know, barely making it in time. And I just remember you guys are being so kind to let me. And it got the gig.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay. I do remember talking about that. And I remember because I think Amanda was on another film. And so it was a big. You were trying to decide, like. Because those are decisions, you know, it was.

[Brian Van Holt]

God, you have a great memory. It was. She booked a show, a TV show. Jack and Jill.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Oh, my God, yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

She was moving to Los Angeles.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

And I was.

[Kristin Davis]

I think she was on a film with Bruce.

[Brian Van Holt]

The whole nine yards. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. And all these things were happening at once for both of you. And I remember you just saying, like, it's this and that and trying to make the decisions and where was she going to be and what did you want to do? And I thought it was so sweet.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, that's funny. You know, I did not want to. I did not want to leave New York. I always thought I would.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

Come back. I thought, you know, that the TV show, it was temporary, as they mostly. Mostly are usually.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

Yeah. It's usually, unfortunately.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Brian Van Holt]

And so I always. That's why I kept my. I kept my apartment. I gave my. Subleased it, subletted to my buddy.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Brian Van Holt]

But, yeah, I was, you know, I didn't want to. Didn't want to leave. I didn't want, you know, I thought I was going to always come back. And part of the reason was, you know, I did. You know, I wasn't really looking to do sitcoms.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Well, because back then there was a big separation between.

[Brian Van Holt]

But I'm glad.

[Kristin Davis]

Actors or whatever.

[Brian Van Holt]

I'm glad I did the writing on this. That show that I did was. It was.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Brian Van Holt]

Was incredible. And the actors and the talent. That's another Show. I was, like, way in over my head with Brian Doyle Murray played my dad.

[Kristin Davis]

He's amazing.

[Brian Van Holt]

But, yeah, that's a great.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a great. I love to hear about what actors are kind of going through or went through or the different choices that you have to make, because it does. It's not easy, you know, And I feel like obviously getting parts at all is not easy. Right. We all know this technically. But then also, you have to make these decisions and figure things out, and you never really know what's going to happen. There's so much unknown, you know, and.

[Brian Van Holt]

Like, when you think you know what's going to happen next, when it gets dangerous.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Brian Van Holt]

Making assumptions and, like, yes, I'm going to spend this money because I'm going to be working forever. And I know on Cougar Town, which I was. I was like, the lowest.

[Kristin Davis]

I forgot to mention it. That was fun to watch.

[Brian Van Holt]

Oh, my God. It was fun to do, too. What a great. That was another fun time. We got a lot of stories about that, too, I'm sure. But I remember I wasn't Josh and I would do these cleanses and not be able, you know, just to, you know, stay healthy and cut off drinking. And we do the master cleanse of all things, too.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I remember the days everyone did the master cleanse. Cindy Shupeck, who's coming soon, she could tell you some master cleanse stories. It was the thing. It was the thing.

[Brian Van Holt]

It was hard.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Think I. I couldn't do that.

[Brian Van Holt]

I did. We had bets, but it was impossible on our set because we would. There would. We would call it the red tea. Yeah, we would drink. We'd put red wine in a cup and put a little tea string outside so it looked like you're drinking tea. It was really red wine. We were all winos on the show. That wasn't a thing. Like you were saying, Bill Lawrence would take stuff in our real life and put it in the show. And the wine thing started pretty early on. We all got along so well. We go to lunch on wine Wednesdays, and we all liked our wine.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a good thing I wasn't on that show.

[Brian Van Holt]

I know. I was now. I know. I know. I thought about that. You were sharing with me about your sobriety. I was like, yeah, thank God. Because.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I would have really not fit in.

[Brian Van Holt]

You would have fit in. I would have made sure.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I do know pretty much that whole cast, so I think it would have been okay.

[Brian Van Holt]

You would have been great, but I.

[Kristin Davis]

Would have been in my trailer. Okay, you guys, it's too much fun here talking to Brian Van Holt. We're going to come back for part two. Please join us later in the week.

[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Brian Van Holt]

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[Kristin Davis]

This is an iHeart podcast.