The Man in the C Suite

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Are You A Charlotte?" – Episode: "The Man in the C Suite"

Introduction

In this engaging episode of Are You A Charlotte?, hosted by Kristin Davis, listeners are treated to a compelling conversation with Chris Albrecht, the former head of HBO Original Programming and CEO of HBO. Released on July 31, 2025, this episode delves deep into the behind-the-scenes journey of creating the iconic series Sex and the City, exploring its inception, cultural impact, and lasting legacy alongside other groundbreaking shows like The Sopranos.

HBO's Evolution and the Birth of Original Programming

Kristin Davis opens the discussion by highlighting Chris Albrecht’s pivotal role in HBO’s transition from a premium cable service known primarily for movies and sports to a powerhouse of original programming.

Kristin Davis [04:30]: "We owe so much to him. So it's gonna be a really fascinating conversation."

Chris Albrecht [05:08]: "I think of HBO as a vehicle to provide talented people to come together in a collaborative medium. We wanted to create shows with a strong point of view that are relatable to the human experience."

Albrecht emphasizes the collaborative nature of HBO’s original programming, underscoring the freedom given to creators to explore bold and relatable narratives without the constraints of traditional advertising-driven content.

Creating Sex and the City: Casting and Character Development

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the meticulous casting process and character development that brought Sex and the City to life. Albrecht reminisces about the early days when the show was still finding its footing.

Chris Albrecht [08:32]: "Darren Starr brought Candace’s book to us, and we began the casting process, which was amazing. We really canvassed people to find actresses who could embody the characters authentically."

Kristin shares her personal memories of the extensive auditions and the eventual selection of the main cast, highlighting the collective effort to create characters that audiences could deeply relate to.

Kristin Davis [08:55]: "Everyone in New York and LA read for it, and it lasted really a long time."

Breaking New Ground: Cultural Impact and Relatability

Albrecht and Davis discuss how Sex and the City broke new ground by portraying the lives and relationships of four women over 30, a demographic that was rarely the central focus of mainstream television at the time.

Chris Albrecht [09:59]: "For a successful television show, you need an artist with a strong point of view about something relatable. Sex and the City did exactly that, allowing viewers to see themselves in the characters, regardless of their background."

The show’s ability to resonate with a wide audience is attributed to its honest portrayal of personal and professional struggles, relationships, and the pursuit of fulfillment.

Chris Albrecht [13:16]: "Life is funny and unpredictable. The women in Sex and the City experienced that unpredictability, making their journey relatable and engaging for the audience."

Comparing Sex and the City with The Sopranos

Albrecht draws parallels between Sex and the City and another HBO juggernaut, The Sopranos, illustrating HBO’s diverse approach to original programming.

Chris Albrecht [20:24]: "While The Sopranos delved into the mafia world, Sex and the City focused on personal and emotional narratives. Both shows, though different in genre, brought unique perspectives that expanded HBO’s audience."

Davis reflects on the camaraderie and creative synergy between the teams behind both series, emphasizing how they collectively elevated HBO’s reputation for quality storytelling.

The Evolution and Legacy of Sex and the City

Discussing the show's growth, Albrecht highlights the increasing production values and the deepening of character arcs over the seasons.

Chris Albrecht [21:29]: "The pilot had a different feel, but as the show evolved, so did its production values and narrative depth. It was all about creating an experience that audiences wanted to be part of."

Davis shares her admiration for how the show managed to balance humor, drama, and character development within its relatively short episode format, making each episode impactful and memorable.

Kristin Davis [45:42]: "We did so much in a short time—funny, deep, and poignant moments all intertwined seamlessly. I'm super impressed by how much we accomplished."

Concluding the Series and Transitioning to Film

The conversation shifts to the decision to end the series and transition into a feature film. Albrecht discusses the challenges and creative considerations involved in this shift.

Chris Albrecht [39:22]: "I never wanted it to end, but when Michael and Sarah Jessica felt it was time, we respected that decision. Transitioning to film was a natural continuation of the journey."

Davis expresses emotional reflections on ending the show, emphasizing her belief in the significance of concluding on a high note and the intense creative effort required to make the film a fitting finale.

Kristin Davis [43:35]: "I truly believe we would have done a film because I never wanted us to end. It was a difficult but necessary transition."

Final Reflections and Gratitude

As the episode draws to a close, both Davis and Albrecht express their mutual appreciation and the lasting impact Sex and the City has had on their lives and careers.

Kristin Davis [48:14]: "You gave me my career, and I can't thank you enough. It’s been a collaborative joy."

Chris Albrecht [48:14]: "We took that journey together, and it changed all of our lives."

Conclusion

"The Man in the C Suite" offers a nostalgic yet insightful exploration of Sex and the City's creation and enduring legacy. Through heartfelt anecdotes and thoughtful analysis, Kristin Davis and Chris Albrecht illuminate the intricate process of bringing such a beloved show to life and its significant cultural footprint. This episode is a must-listen for fans eager to understand the behind-the-scenes dynamics that made Sex and the City a defining series in television history.

Notable Quotes:

• Chris Albrecht [05:08]: "I think Sex and the City is the perfect example of a show that so many people related to..."
• Kristin Davis [08:55]: "Everyone in New York and LA read for it..."
• Chris Albrecht [13:16]: "Life is funny and unpredictable..."
• Chris Albrecht [20:24]: "While The Sopranos delved into the mafia world, Sex and the City focused on personal and emotional narratives..."
• Kristin Davis [45:42]: "We did so much in a short time—funny, deep, and poignant moments all intertwined seamlessly..."
• Chris Albrecht [39:22]: "I never wanted it to end..."
• Kristin Davis [48:14]: "You gave me my career..."
• Chris Albrecht [48:14]: "We took that journey together, and it changed all of our lives."

Timestamps:

• Introduction: [03:30]
• HBO’s Evolution: [04:10]
• Casting Process: [08:32]
• Cultural Impact: [09:59]
• Comparing Shows: [20:24]
• Evolution of the Show: [21:29]
• Ending the Series: [39:22]
• Final Reflections: [48:14]

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Transcript

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[Kelly Harnett]

The Girlfriends is back with a new season, and this time, I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett. Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law.

[Kristin Davis]

He goes, oh, God. Harnett, jailhouse lawyer.

[Kelly Harnett]

And became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her.

[Chris Albrecht]

You're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Kristin Davis]

I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison.

[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody. Welcome to are you a Charlotte? Today we are talking to someone so incredible. It is Chris Albrecht, who was the head of HBO original programming and. And the CEO of HBO in general, and he is the person who greenlit Sex and the City, who also greenlit the Sopranos, and who really put us all together and, you know, was there for the formation and development of the show, basically. And we owe so much to him. So it's gonna be a really fascinating conversation. Here we go.

[Chris Albrecht]

Hey, Kristen. How are you?

[Kristin Davis]

Hi, Chris. I'm good. How are you?

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, it's so nice to see you. Thank you for the invite.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited you're here. I talked to Michael Patrick yesterday. I have so many things to say. He sends love and messages. It's thrilling to have you.

[Chris Albrecht]

Great. And congratulations on the new. I mean, it's sort of a new show now in the third season or whatever, but, yeah, it's so great.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so interesting, isn't it? And, you know, we are going to jump right in because I really, really just have to honor your place in really creating us. You know, like, we think about you and my cry. I'm feeling very emotional lately, but, you know, it's just been such a journey, and we wouldn't even be here if you hadn't been so brave and, like, out front, you know, creating, just purely creating. That's how I think of HBO when I met you guys. How do you think of it?

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, I think of HBO as it was a vehicle to be able to provide talented people to come together in what's a collaborative medium. Right. What we do is a collaborative medium. Talk about things that had a point of view were relatable to the human experience. And luckily, because of our business model, we were able to provide them with the resources to realize their vision. And kind of luckily, especially in the beginning, when we first started with Sex and the City, nobody was paying attention, attention to us. So we had a chance.

[Kristin Davis]

What a joy to do things that.

[Chris Albrecht]

Real grownups might not have let us do.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally, totally. And we didn't have advertisers, which, I mean, we, we obviously understand. But not everyone listening will realize how different the landscape was at the time.

[Chris Albrecht]

Absolutely. I mean, television was supported by companies, you know, marketing their products and they wanted to have marketing that would bring in the biggest audiences and that meant not offending people. So, you know, programs were a lot more mild tempered, even if they were, you know, court thrillers or, or cop dramas. And, and also couldn't take a stronger point of view about what people really went through because you might offend somebody was really the bottom line. And we didn't, not only didn't we kind of worry about that, but we wore it not as a badge of honor that we were trying to offend people, but we wanted to really get people to look at us and say, I can relate to that. I mean, I think Sex and the City is the perfect example of, of a show that so many people related to, even if they didn't live in, you know, New York City, even if they weren't, you know, upwardly mobile professional women in their, in their early 30s. And I would say, you know, I'm not sure if the show was set in Cleveland, you would watch it, but if the show, if you were in Cleveland, you definitely got it right.

[Kristin Davis]

So I remember like you, you were at HBO from I believe in the 80s, right?

[Chris Albrecht]

85.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing. So when, when I thought of HBO, HBO was this thing that was like really expensive and you, you hoped you could afford it. And it had a lot of sports and then movies. And then in, in a way you just started slowly growing the original programming. Is that accurate?

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah. You know, we had a real opportunity when there was a change in the top leadership, when Jeff Bukes came in to be the CEO and I got moved up to the head of programming and technology was our friend, the K band satellite DirecTV dish. They were coming in, they were bringing in new revenue and we were doing really well. And you know, I had been trying to get HBO to do its own programming for a while. I mean, really, you know, dip both feet in. And Jeff said, okay, let's give it a try. And we opened The Doors. And one of the first people to come in who really knew what they were doing was Darren Starr, who obviously had had two successful television shows under his belt, which was great for us because we hadn't done any successful television. And Darren's a terrific producer. And he brought Candace's book to us, which was an assembly of the columns, the Sex and the City columns. And I read it, Carolyn Strauss read it, and I thought, I haven't seen these people on tv.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And then Darren did what a great producer does, is he puts a great team together. Of course, he brought in Michael Patrick. And then the casting process was amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

Is that how you remember it? Amazing? I remember it lasted really a long time and everyone in New York and LA read for it.

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, you know, it was amazing in the sense that I think we really canvassed people.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And I don't know, I mean, you know this story, but Darren Starr had Sarah Jessica somewhere in the back of his mind, and we didn't know if she would do it or not.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And then everybody else was, you know, kind of a work in progress. I mean, it was a combination of finding the actress who really could help, not embody the character, because they weren't even fully developed in the first script, but, you know, somebody who could bring their own personality and acting experience and kind of take on what the outlines of the role were and then turn them into flesh and bone human beings for everybody in the audience. I mean, I think it was one of the shows where probably more people believed that you guys were really those people than almost any other show that I was involved with or can remember. I mean, maybe Soprano, a lot of people believe that those guys were in the mafia. But Sexton, the City certainly touched a bone that I don't think had been touched before by television.

[Kristin Davis]

And did you, like, you envision that that would be true or was it still just kind of a. A crazy thing that happened?

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, it. I always. Not always, but when people ask me, you know, what are the. What are the ingredients? It's like, okay, here's the ingredients. For a successful television show, in my opinion, you need an artist who. With a strong point of view about something that is relatable to the human experience. Hopefully a writer, producer.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

Because those are the, the. The. The television series business. Those are the people who really are the generators.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

Of the team. They're the center of the team. And then, you know, you need to hire really talented people around them and. And like I said before, give them the resources which Includes the talent to help that, that come to fruition. And then you do it. And, and even though you have all those pieces, it doesn't mean that it's going to end up being what you, what, what, what, what these things become. Because I think the ingredient that only happens sometimes. And I can't even explain why it happens, and I'll use this word because I mean, it is magic. Yeah, there's just a little bit of magic that ends up coming from these creative people doing this together. It's what. One of the things that makes our business unique and is long lasting and is globally, you know, pervasive as it's as, as in a good way, as it's become. Hopefully in a good way.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, definitely in a good way. So there. I can't not talk about the Sopranos, which, you know, because for me to think back on what it was like in the early days, right. We, we filmed our whole first season without it being on the air. And you guys were just incredibly supportive. Not nitpicking notes, you know, just kind of supporting the vision that Darren had at that point. And I, I think you brought Micha in the first season and what Michael said to tell you especially, which I need to remember to do, is that he thinks that you were the best executive to work for because you understood jokes. And it's a rare thing if you think about it.

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, you know what I did, I mean, I was a stand up, an unsuccessful standup comedian who then ended up managing and being part owner of the improv in New York. So. And all those comedians, many of them were my peers. The guys that became famous then became famous later. There is performers or writers and big, big TV stars. So I lived a life with people around, trying to be funny. And I think one of the things growing up in New York and learning the comedy in New York was that we learned a comedy that was more first person.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

More about the personal experience. And certainly in, in my mind, the things, the television shows that really resonate most with people are the ones that come across almost as first person. You know, that's what I said. The audience identifies with that. And one of the ways to make something palatable is to make it kind of funny, because life is funny and irony is comedy. And if there's one thing that we know over and over again is life's ironic and it's unpredictable. And the women in Sex in the City experienced that unpredictability no matter what their plans were.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Definitely, definitely.

[Chris Albrecht]

They were not necessarily foiled. At every turn, but it was a journey that the audience was looking forward to taking with them. I remember getting the first cuts of every episode and I would take it. It was back when we had cassettes and I would take it home in my shoulder bag and Sex and the City was one of the one or two shows that I had to watch the first cut no matter what. I mean, obviously it was my job, but I couldn't wait to watch the first cut.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Chris Albrecht]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

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[Kristin Davis]

Here you are. You come from this standup background, which is so unusual, you know, in your job, I think. I mean, I don't know any other. You know, I mean, not another. Yeah, very rare. And you're. You're kind of at the forefront of, like, creating this original programming for hbo. You've got us. You filmed the Sopranos pilot right after hours. Because I remember our crew. You tried to make a double deal with crew members, like, will you now go to New Jersey and do this mobster thing? We were like, what? You're gonna do what? But obviously, I mean, literally, lightning in a bottle. I mean, what do you remember about that? What were you. What was going through your head?

[Chris Albrecht]

You know what? I think we. The lucky thing for us is we weren't doing a lot of thinking. We were doing a lot of reacting, experiencing. It's not like we had a floodgate of people coming to pitch us stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And so when we had something like the Sopranos, which came from David Chase, who knew how to do television, just like Darren Starr, who knew how to do television, then the job was, well, these guys actually know more than we do about making this.

[Kristin Davis]

This.

[Chris Albrecht]

Let's help give them the freedom to expand their thinking and, like, you know, make this a clubhouse.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And that's kind of what the Sopranos became. Very different than Sex and the City in terms of what went on the screen, but not very different from Sex in the City in terms of the kind of ingredients that came together and gelled.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

To end up with this experience that audiences. I mean, if. Look, there were Sex and the City parties. When Sex and the City was on, there were Sopranos parties, and Sopranos was on, I don't know, a lot of other shows. No, that. That. That had that phenomenon. We might. We might have even started it with the. With. With. With that.

[Kristin Davis]

It felt like that. Yeah, absolutely. And I remember for us, it was like kind of a really. You know, we were so in it, and we were working, you know, as, you know, all night, you know, every night for the time that we were filming, and because we filmed the whole first season with, you know, kind of in a bubble, which was wonderful. Right. We could just kind of try to find ourselves, which, you know, the first season kind of all over the place. But now that I'm rewatching it. I am really impressed with it. Like, it's so much more. It has. All the elements were right there. They weren't like, woven together in the more practiced way that we became. But they're all there, you know.

[Chris Albrecht]

And what's also so interesting is the evolution of the show. I mean, if you watch the pilot, you know, it's talking to camera. It's. It's chirons, it's. It's. It's a. It's a little. And the show morphs. And then the other thing I think that was certainly fun was although you, the cast and the production team were experienced professionals, and although we had been working and running this network, we all shared, you guys and those of us on the inside, we shared this experience of having this kind of unexpected and joyous. I mean, it wasn't that all times weren't some bumps along the road when you make doing any of this stuff with all kinds of people. But I think you were a great partner. You were a great ambassador for the show, not just when you were on the show, but in your life. You were always so great to deal with. And whether we were talking about scripts or renegotiating deals. Thank you. It was a happy time. And I have to believe that also contributed to what came through.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, for the audience.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I agree with what you're saying, and it's interesting to think about because, you know, now, obviously, the industry is just profoundly different in so, so, so many ways. And I feel like because of all the changes, there's, you know, kind of a lot of fear and no one knows what to do. You know, it's uneven. Whereas, like, for us, I do. I really did feel that we were, you know, together and united in the kind of insane experience that we knew we were going through. That was amazing that, you know, each year built. And also because you guys were really partners, it was a very different experience in terms of, like, creatively, you know, Michael always goes rhapsodic talking about, you know, we can list the notes that you and Carolyn gave us on our hand. Right? Like, you were just support. You were like true support and teammate.

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, I always looked at our job as not to shuffle the deck, but if you think about it as a deck of cards, once in a while card is kind of sticking out on the side. You just have. Every once in a while, we would help the show do this, which is great. But also for Sex and the City, it was, you know, it brought a point of view. It Brought characters to the screen. It gave the audience a chance to see themselves, like I said, even if they weren't those specific. Had that specific lifestyle, the inner monologue, the inner life that was different enough in each character and yet united enough that together they presented a world that hadn't been on TV before. And it was an opportunity we had at HBO to do that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

Sex and the City changed. Television changed. I don't know, but it changed it in the sense that it was an example for people of what was possible to do on television.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Yes, for sure. Now, did you think about the fact, like, in your prioritizing in terms of. So we've got Sopranos, we've got Sex and City. We're growing, we're growing. It's so exciting. At certain points, we start getting nominated for Emmys. What were you thinking? Were you like, yeah, this is amazing. This is what I wanted. Or was it out of control? What was it for you?

[Chris Albrecht]

All of those things. It definitely took on a life of its own.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

I think the. What. It's kind of like the show, you know, what people saw on the show wasn't necessarily what we all talked about being in the show.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

When we would read articles, when people still read articles about Sex and the City or we read an article about Sopranos or other shows, I would say to Carolyn Strauss, I'd say, we never had that conversation, but they would see it in that. And therefore, it became larger than, you know, it took on a life of its own. And so we were, I think, often as surprised as anyone, you know, to see the reaction. And it grew so much. I remember one year at the Globes, I think Sex and the City won, Sopranos won, the actors won, the actresses won, and we won the movie. We won every. And we were all sitting there at the HBO table, which, of course, was, you know, the best table in the TV section. We weren't in the movie section, which was on the floor. And I. I turned to my team that was at the table, and I said, remember this night? I said, because it'll never happen again. You know, it was just. And by that time, people were already trying to emulate what we were doing, because it wasn't a secret formula. It was just one that we identified as an opportunity for us. And other people tried to follow in the footsteps. Until then, like every other thing that is a good thing is too much of it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, there were probably a lot of Greek plays written. Most people only remember the ones by Aeschylus and Euripides.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Chris Albrecht]

But, you know, same thing with. I'm sure there were a lot of Elizabethan, you know, poets who wrote, who wrote plays, but we don't know. There's only a couple that everybody remembers. So there could, There's a lot of television shows, but there's not very many that have had the impact and have the longevity. And so many people, so glad to see, you know, you. Those characters come back on screen again and share their new experiences and continue on the journey with them.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I mean, it has been obviously just an experience that we never could have ever imagined even remotely.

[Chris Albrecht]

And I have to say, Sex and the City was. I mean, there are shows, you know, people talk. All the people don't compare Sex and the City and Sopranos. They don't compare. They'll compare the dramas together or the comedies together, but for me, especially with the timing and everything, but for me, with the audience that we didn't have before, we didn't have a big female audience on hbo. We had boxing and, you know, we had the stand up comedy shows and Sex and the City was, was, was really the game changer for us.

[Kristin Davis]

That is so good.

[Chris Albrecht]

And it's not about more reviews or more or, or more awards.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

It was the cultural impact of that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And the, the, you know, sort of how it just became into the lexicon.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely.

[Chris Albrecht]

People's lives.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And I mean to a point of view about, you know, the, the title of your podcast, you know, you were Charlotte. I mean, it was all people were. That was. Those were real conversations people were having.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And they still have them, which is insane. But I think it's important to say that, you know, and I know as an actor, when I, when Darren sent me the first script, I wasn't really aware of Candace's column, but the idea that there would be a show with four lead women who were unabashedly over 30 was shocking. I was like, what? I have to be on this show. Like, when you really think back, it's hard to even remember how unusual that was and what a risk it was. What did you think about that?

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, you know, it was right about the time that that was. I don't know if it was Time magazine or whatever. There was that thing that came out where like a woman over 30 had had, you know, more of a chance of being hit by lightning than getting married.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Yes, yes.

[Chris Albrecht]

And so, oh my God, that was a statement that probably hit a lot. I mean, I don't know how many people saw it, but it certainly traveled in, in, in, you know, conversations with people. And then I think this show came on in the heels and on one hand illustrated those challenges and yet on the other hand really humanized it and the desires. And also, even though, you know, the show was bittersweet in many ways, but it was life affirming.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. It was joyous.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah. Because these women were successful people. I don't mean successful in their jobs. It was all those things.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

But they persevered in spite of the challenges, first of being a woman and then, and secondly all of the other cultural and physical things that happen. And now seeing the characters years later, it adds another whole dimension. But it was definitely, it was a risk for us to take back then, but a risk. If you had those odds in Vegas, you probably wouldn't play. But if you got that result in Vegas, you'd go home a happy person.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kelly Harnett]

Audio Kelly Harnett spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm 100% innocent.

[Kelly Harnett]

While behind bars, she learned the law from scratch.

[Kristin Davis]

He goes, oh God.

[Kelly Harnett]

Harnett Jailhouse lawyer and as she fought for herself, she also became a lifeline for the women locked up alongside her.

[Chris Albrecht]

You're supposed to have your faith in.

[Kristin Davis]

God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Kelly Harnett]

So many of these women had lived the same stories.

[Kristin Davis]

I said, were you a victim of domestic violence?

[Kelly Harnett]

And she was like, yeah, but maybe Kelly could change the ending.

[Kristin Davis]

I said, how many people have gotten other incarcerated individuals out of here? I'm gonna be the first one to do that.

[Kelly Harnett]

This is the story of Kelly Harnett, a woman who spent 12 years fighting not just for her own own freedom, but her girlfriend's too.

[Kristin Davis]

I think I have a mission from God to save souls by getting people out of prison.

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The girlfriends, jailhouse lawyer. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

The other thing I think about is when I. I remember my audition, my test or whatever you would call it. And I mean, literally, I think there. And Carolyn, maybe Michael Hill was there, maybe Carrie Barton was there, or Billy Hopkins, one or the other. And Darren, like, there was so few of you.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah, I don't think. I think it was probably Darren and certainly Carolyn and me.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And maybe Michael Hill. Maybe Carmi.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah, Carmi. Right. But so few. Like, it was a tiny group of.

[Chris Albrecht]

People, but maybe not. We were really only a couple. And that's how we did it. That's how we did it. And it became our way of being able to make the casting decisions that were part of making the show successful because obviously critical is what the audience sees. And as you know, there were even some changes along the way. I mean, the first person cast as Samantha wasn't Kim.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And then Kim became available and Darren called me and he said, I. I really had her in mind. What do you want to do? And I said, well, we're spending a lot of money on this and, you know, if you think this is the right thing to do, let's do it. So, yeah, history, you know, made before.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

We even got on the. On, on, on the floor for the first time rehearsal.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And it's just mind boggling to think about. First of all, I love. You know, I had Alan Coulter came on and talked about he had been on Soprano's first season. And then you guys had said, hey, would you go over there and work on Sex and the City and bring some, you know, kind of more cinematic qualities to it? Which he absolutely did. And I love hearing what he remembers. I feel like once we kind of started cross populating the directors and our production value really leapt up, which was part of the magic of being there, you know.

[Chris Albrecht]

And from the very beginning, Darren wanted New York City to be a character in the show. And a lot like the Sopranos, which we shot in Jersey, you know, Sex and the City would not have been the Same show. Had we not shot it in New York and not shot in New York the way we shot it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, it became. Look, shows always get a boost when the audience wants to be the people on screen and wants to live the lives they're living. And certainly in spite of all the emotional challenges and psychological conflicts that the characters had within themselves and sometimes with each other, I think the audience always said, I either wanna be them or I wanna be their friend.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Aw. Which is so nice. I sometimes still feel apologetic because, you know, these young girls will move there, and then I'll run into someone somewhere, and they'll be like, oh, I moved there when I was 25. And, you know, it was really hard to get a cab or just, like, really basic. So I'm like, I'm so sorry that we didn't always. It wasn't always accurate. You know what I'm saying? It was a little bit glamorized, as we know, with the shoes and. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't spend a day in those shoes in the city if I weren't playing Charlotte, for goodness sake. But that was the fun of it. You know, in so many ways, it.

[Chris Albrecht]

Is show business, but it's show business at its best.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I feel, you know, as the show went on, I mean, just. I'm curious. You're. I mean, first of all, how did you feel about us ending the show?

[Chris Albrecht]

I never wanted it to end. It was. I mean, it was, I guess, Michael and Sarah Jessica's decision.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And obviously, if Michael didn't feel there was more in it, we were not the type of place to change horses and continue with the framework without the heart.

[Kristin Davis]

No. That would have been crazy.

[Chris Albrecht]

And I don't know that any of you would have done that. But, you know, we definitely. I mean, like, I wish I would have had more episodes every season, you know, but there were people that had limitations with their schedules and life.

[Kristin Davis]

Babies started happening.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah. I mean, I think we could have gone on at least another couple of seasons, and it would have been to all of our benefits. Certainly mine.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree 100%. Now, let me ask you about this. Do you remember how we had this plan that we were gonna do the film, but then we ended, which was largely based. I mean, really, in my mind. I think creatively, yes, it's very hard to make a show every week. Right. Or whatever. You know, we weren't making it every week, but you know what I'm saying, It's really hard. The pressure of the writing and whatnot, the creative team. And I think that pressure, you know, had somewhat taken a toll on Sarah Jessica and Michael, as you said. But also, you know, Cynthia had a baby. Sarah Jessica had a baby. You know, you have that you're so torn by being a parent as, you know, and feeling like you need to be the best parent you can be. But when we had been working, my perception of it was that it was, you know, all encompassing. Like our lives were about the show and promoting the show and riding this wave that had happened, you know, kind of unexpectedly. And I think all of us really KN that it was, you know, a once in a lifetime situation. Right. So it was like, remember, we would jet around, you know, with you.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yes, I do remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. So many times.

[Chris Albrecht]

We had a good time. We had a good time. Everybody worked hard, but we made sure to have some fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. I mean, I remember Winston Nevis. Do you remember that? On the horses, it was so much fun with all the cable guys, the cable cowboys. I mean, just amazing times. Amazing times. But I think. Think so then we were gonna do the film, right? But then, like, we didn't. We didn't really know who would make the film. Do you remember all this? Strange. I remember.

[Chris Albrecht]

So what happened was I commissioned the script, right. And we didn't have the film sold, and I didn't know how we were gonna get it financed.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And then. And we're trying to put together budgets, but we were really, you know, it was one of those times when HBO became timid because it was getting out of our comfort zone for some people.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And then to my memory, anyway, I think the. The Prod. The Devil Wears Prada movie came out.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And I said to everybody, I said, that's our movie. I said, they just did our movie.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Chris Albrecht]

So then the momentum went back and the movie I had gone to New Line.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And they jumped in, which gave us the sort of film credibility. And then kind of, it was within the company also, because they were a division of Time Warner, as was hbo.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

So it put it on a track. And then, of course, Michael wrote the script. And then, you know, in a not unheard of move, but a somewhat unusual move, Michael got to direct it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And everybody came on board. And really, I look at the first film as the. As the finale to the series.

[Kristin Davis]

So much. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So much. And that's what was really wonderful about it, because when we did end the show, the only reason that I didn't completely fall apart, which I Semi fell apart because I really passionately love the show, as you know, But I really did believe in my heart that we would do a film. I didn't know how. I mean, it was really odd. It was like you're taking one thing in one medium and even though of course, it's still storytelling, you need a film company and distribution and all of the things. Like, it's a different animal in so many ways. And you guys hadn't done that yet. So it didn't. There wasn't a clear track for it to be going on. Right. It took a lot of creativity on everyone's part to make it work out. But I did believe that was gonna happen or I would've really been just fully decimated because I never really want us to end, which, you know, like, I don't know if that's good or bad at this point, but it's hard when you have something that you love so much. You know, it's like, it's just so, like, I could not have a better creative experience.

[Chris Albrecht]

I think we all love that show. I think it was, you know, considering how successful it was, it had a really unusually small amount of problems.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And you know, because the show is. You got to keep a group of people together for a long time.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

And no matter how good friends they are on, on camera, it doesn't mean that they're that. That they're that way in real life.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, well.

[Chris Albrecht]

But yes, I think the movie was really important. And again, to my memory, it was a while ago now.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, 20 years ago. The Prada film helped prod into, you know, doing it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Chris Albrecht]

Because. And it may have even been Michael Patrick that first said it to me, but it was like. Okay. And, and, and even as much as I enjoyed that film, I thought our film was a bigger experience because it was the end of a journey that had taken, you know, had taken years. And for the first time, really, the show gave the audience what it had been craving.

[Kristin Davis]

So true. Yeah, that's so true. I hadn't thought about that, but it had a more complete. Because in a, you know, a two hour storytelling, you're able to complete things in a way and go deeper as opposed to like. One of the things when I'm rewatching the show that I'm really amazed by is how much we could do in a relatively short time in the show. Like, they're not that long and so much happens and it's like funny and then deep and then silent for a second and Then funny and like, it's very. I'm super impressed by us.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah. Well, a series has the advantage, especially serialized, of being able to tell a story over a much longer period of time, getting to know the characters in a different way. And a film has. But that's a big challenge, Right. A film has an advantage in that it gets to tell the beginning, middle, and end of a story all in one sitting. And so it's a different. You know, a different structure.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Chris Albrecht]

And it. And can be a more satisfying experience in a way, because, you know, you get to sit down at the meal, eat it and have dessert and pay the check and leave.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally, totally, totally. I do also think that as time goes by, like, when you first start, especially the pilot, the pilot is physically so dark that you're like, where are we? I mean, it's very cool. Like, it's interesting. But, you know, as time went on, like, we're beautifully lit, and the production values are just keep rising and rising and rising. And then the film is like, whoa, you know, somebody let us really play. And we kind of have had trouble coming back from that. I will say, like, we had these thoughts that when we came back to doing just like that, that we were going to try to be like our early selves when we would, like, film on one corner and then wheel the lights down the block and have a handheld scene on the other corner. Well, we can't go back to that. It's impossible. You know what I mean?

[Chris Albrecht]

And the audience expects something different. I mean, look, even in the pilot, as central as the women were, there were lots of other things going on. And as the show evolved quickly, it became those four women as the center of the center of the heart of the show.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Is there anything that you want to talk about that we didn't just.

[Chris Albrecht]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, no.

[Chris Albrecht]

For all that you did for all of us, Chris.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. You really are like our, you know, special godfather who, you know, not only greenlit and put us together, like, so thoughtfully put the pieces together of what is still, you know, in existence. And we couldn't love each other more, you know, we couldn't be more thankful for what you guys created.

[Chris Albrecht]

Thank you. We took that journey together, and it changed all of our lives.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it. And you. I mean, you basically gave us. Especially myself. I mean, all of us are a little different as you know, but for myself, you. You really, you. You gave me my career, and I can't thank you enough.

[Chris Albrecht]

You know, Christy, I gotta say, you were pretty easy.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I really do. I really do. I love our team and I'm happy to be in a collaborative, you know, situation. I, I, that's part of the joy of it for me.

[Chris Albrecht]

You were that. You were definitely, definitely that.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you, babe. Thank you. And thank you for being on. It's so special to get to hear from you. I feel so lucky.

[Chris Albrecht]

Maybe I'll get to see you in person one of these days.

[Kristin Davis]

I love to. We're here. Let's have dinner with Dave.

[Chris Albrecht]

Yeah, Great. We love to have Dave.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so glad he connected us. And Michael sends his love and he's so happy that you're talking to me.

[Chris Albrecht]

Please send mine.

[Kristin Davis]

I will. I love to have the tapestry of all of us who are there in the beginning. I want it to be here for people to find and discover and hear from the different points of view of, like, what it was like to be together back then.

[Chris Albrecht]

Well, I'm glad you're doing this and thanks for including me.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you, Chris.

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Untold life with a severe autoimmune Condition.

[Martine Hackett]

A production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenics is back with Season four. Join me, Martine Hackett, as we explore.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

Whenever I go to my specialist, he.

[Chris Albrecht]

Mentions the R word.

[Kristin Davis]

Remission. Is it possible?

[Chris Albrecht]

Like, is it over?

[Kristin Davis]

But also knowing it's never really over.

[Chris Albrecht]

But just being able to say, hey.

[Kristin Davis]

There, there's light at the end of the tunnel. Stay the course. Don't give up on yourself. Every single person living with the autoimmune illness has a life worth living. And it's up to to you to define that, to capture that, and to go guns blazing.

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The iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Kelly Harnett]

Audio the Girlfriends is back with a new season, and this time I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett. Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law.

[Kristin Davis]

He goes, oh God.

[Kelly Harnett]

Harnett Jailhouse Lawyer and became a beacon of hope for the women locked up alongside her.

[Chris Albrecht]

You're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

[Kristin Davis]

I think I was put here to save souls by getting people out of prison.

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[Kristin Davis]

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