The Rules with Dylan Mulvaney… (S3 E18 “Cock-a-Doodle-Do”)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Are You A Charlotte?"

Episode: The Rules with Dylan Mulvaney… (S3 E18 “Cock-a-Doodle-Do”)

Host: Kristin Davis
Guests: Cynthia Nixon, Dylan Mulvaney
Date: March 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Are You A Charlotte? Kristin Davis is joined by Cynthia Nixon and Dylan Mulvaney to rewatch and dissect the Sex and the City Season 3 finale, "Cock-a-Doodle-Do." The trio delves deep into pivotal storylines—Charlotte’s marriage crisis, Miranda’s confrontation with Carrie, Carrie’s return to Big, and Samantha’s infamous meatpacking district troubles. Beyond the recap, the conversation candidly explores the show’s original context versus how it ages today, with honest takes on its more problematic plots (notably Samantha’s interactions with trans women). Amid nostalgia and laughter, the group also discusses modern relationship rules, personal stories, and the ever-evolving discourse on friendship, accountability, and LGBTQ+ representation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Revisiting "Cock-a-Doodle-Do" — Episode Breakdown

• The Notorious Roosters (04:41–06:22)

  • Nostalgia for Carrie's bizarre sleepless nights due to rescued roosters on the Upper East Side.
  • "There are still cockfighting things going on, which is insane, right?" – Nixon (05:30).
  • Fun behind-the-scenes: neither actor recalled seeing actual roosters on set; heatwaves ruined shoes during the rooftop scenes.

• Charlotte’s Divorce & The "Rulebook" (10:54–15:13, 17:21–17:42, 17:48–20:11)

  • Charlotte unpacks her post-Trey heartbreak, grappling with the stigma of divorce at 30.
  • Nostalgic props: Kristin Davis notes she kept Charlotte’s pink lamp and mirror.
  • The theme of wanting the “picture perfect” life, only to realize its emptiness.
    • “That's her lesson, is that learning that your picture perfect doesn't make you happy.” – Nixon (13:49).
  • Group dives into the dated dating guide The Rules, questioning whether those heteronormative, controlling ideas still hold in 2025.
    • Dylan’s anecdote about being peer-pressured into reading The Rules as the only single, trans bridesmaid: “And then it became My Bible. Cause I said, well, if it worked for them in Colorado, it’s gonna work for me—a trans girl in the spotlight in LA.” (18:26)

• Miranda & Carrie's Friendship Fight (29:46–32:43, 46:02–50:43)

  • Recap of Miranda’s insecurity after feeling judged about her food order, and an in-depth discussion on the realism of the Miranda–Carrie confrontation in the vintage store:
    • “It’s so risky. Like, I never fight with my girlfriends. I’d be scared to death…It’s your safe space, and you might be blowing up your safe space.” – Nixon (31:21–32:01)
  • Importance of honest friendship, boundaries, and how the show illustrated platonic relationships as central and complex.

• Carrie & Big: The Boathouse and the Red Wall (35:10, 51:10–52:19)

  • The infamous boathouse lunch/fall sequence: behind-the-scenes, safety, and stress over paparazzi photos.
  • Carrie’s final reckoning with Big after Natasha leaves—a symbolic red wall signals new boundaries.
    • “Carrie says, basically, like this red wall, it's a great idea, but we just don't really work, which is so sad. And obviously we know it’s not true.” – Nixon (51:32)

• Accountability and Self-Reflection (52:36–53:34)

  • Carrie's classic closing monologue about possibly being the problem in relationships—still poignant.
    • “Could it be that the problem isn't them, but horror of horrors, is it us?” – Nixon/Davis (53:12)
  • Discussion of how this kind of accountability remains rare (but essential) for both women and men.

• Samantha and the Meatpacking District: A Cringe Rewatch (62:30–70:04)

  • The group re-examines Samantha's feuds with trans women neighbors, now seen as deeply problematic.
    • Conversation with Dylan centers on evolving language, responsibility in representation, and comedy rooted in harmful stereotypes.
    • “She said the T-slur many a time…I think the hope that I have is that anyone, you know, rewatching it now does get that cringe of understanding…this isn’t landing the way that this show obviously intended.” – Mulvaney (66:58–70:04)
  • Nixon and Mulvaney reflect on how shifting times demand honesty and open discussion about the past.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Friendship Fights:

  • “It's very risky to say things like this to your girlfriends…It's your safe space. And you might be blowing up your safe space.” – Cynthia Nixon (31:21–32:01)
  • “When you get through something like that, it only becomes richer.” – Dylan Mulvaney (32:14)

• On The Rules & Relationship Playbooks:

  • “Did you ever read The Rules?” – Mulvaney (17:45)
  • “It literally was how to take away all of your parts of yourself in order to be a good wife or, like, a potential. And then I was like, but then what happens when you actually get married? And then they find out who you are?” – Mulvaney (19:03)

• On Leaving the Past (and Exes) Behind:

  • “Listen, I'm a master at this and I just need to tell you, don't waste your time with this, okay? If they're gone, they're gone for a reason. They're gonna come back. Don't let them. You need to be moving forward. Take it from me. I've spent a lot of time waiting…” – Cynthia Nixon (35:26)

• On Cringe, Comedy, and Evolving Representation:

  • “It's so funny to me the way that the world talks about cringe now, like that it's somehow avoidable.” – Nixon (74:00)
  • “Even if I might not be someone’s cup of tea as a trans person, that they find a trans person in their lives that they can connect to over something other than identity.” – Mulvaney (70:04)

• On Advocacy and Connection:

  • “Sometimes just being present in the world is a form of advocacy at this point in time.” – Nixon (78:40)
  • “Find someone that you can connect to or follow that helps whatever version that you're looking for.” – Mulvaney (78:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:41–06:22 | The "cock-a-doodle-do" rooster subplot; set memories, details of filming in summer heat | | 10:54–15:13 | Charlotte’s arc—divorce, self-discovery, and the perfection trap | | 17:48–20:11 | The Rules: Dylan’s story, group reflection on dating “rules” then and now | | 29:46–32:43 | Miranda/Carrie confrontation—intense friendship honesty | | 35:10–37:36 | The boathouse pond fall; behind-the-scenes and paparazzi story | | 46:02–50:43 | Re-examining the pivotal Miranda/Carrie fight scene | | 52:36–53:34 | Carrie’s accountability monologue; considering self as the "problem" in relationships | | 62:30–70:04 | Samantha’s meatpacking district story, reevaluated through a 2025 lens with Dylan's insights | | 73:27–74:19 | Dylan’s reflections on transition, life changes, and embracing cringe | | 78:40–79:10 | Final thoughts on advocacy, creativity, and supporting each other |

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Tone & Dynamics

The tone is warm, reflective, and candid. With easy camaraderie and plenty of nostalgia, there are confessions, gentle ribbing, and supportive encouragement around vulnerable topics—especially as Dylan shares both funny and poignant experiences. The group matches the honest, imperfect charm of Sex and the City itself, balancing critical reflection of outdated cultural mores with genuine affection for the show and each other.

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Final Takeaways

• Sex and the City remains a touchstone for conversations about relationships, friendship, and evolving cultural norms.
• The cast doesn’t shy away from calling out where the show got it wrong, especially around representation, while also celebrating its honesty and bravery in discussing women’s lives.
• Personal growth, both for fictional characters and for real people, means owning your “cringe,” learning, and evolving—ideally, together.
• The podcast and episode affirm the power of friendships, self-reflection, and ongoing advocacy—in whatever (often imperfect) form it takes.

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Notable Closing Quote

“And I believe that partly because I know so many people that I cannot allow them not to be whole and happy and safe.” – Cynthia Nixon (75:22)

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Transcript

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

We are here with the fantastic Dylan Mulvaney.

[Kristin Davis]

And we are gonna rewatch now more

[Cynthia Nixon]

specifically, do our rewatch of Cock a Doodle Doo.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The finale of season three sexicity.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We're gonna try to be less ADHD

[Cynthia Nixon]

in this one if possible. No promises, but it's a good time. It's a good time.

[Kristin Davis]

All right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So this to me is in so many ways, it has the highs and the lows, right? Like, it has so many great things and then it has this slightly insane and cringeworthy Samantha storyline which we will get into specifically. But it also has just incredible storyline, especially for Carrie and Miranda. Yes, I think. And the reason that I love it is so many different things. But I mean, first of all, there's things I 100% did not remember, like this craziness that Carrie hears roosters crowing all night and all day, which is also odd.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And it wasn't a sound machine. No, they were real.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They were real. And they were in a veterinary, like, rescue. They were rescued roosters. She finds out next door on the Upper east side, which. Okay, I've never heard of this.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They got rescued from cockfighting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Which is a real thing. That there are still cockfighting things going on, which is insane. Right. But like, you know, I've never, I don't know of any rooster rescues in New York City.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, we've. Sounds like there's a hole in the market.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I. Maybe I should go back and ask them, like, where'd you guys come up with this? Because usually they have.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Did we ever even see actual roosters?

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, never.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I didn't think so.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She does go to the vet, right? And then she feels bad when she finds out that They've been rescued. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

From the Bronx.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I feel like the line producer probably said no on that one of seeing the. The real roosters, probably. But then they said, we'll just stick them in the basement, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she's like, no, no, no. She feels guilty that the poor roosters are going to have to go to the basement. But also, she never hears anyone really tell her that it's roosters, not chickens. She talks to Big on the phone. She's like, there's chickens and they're crowing. And he's like, roosters. She's like, whatever.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She's going crazy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She is losing her mind a little bit, but it's adorable. And also, I think it was really hot that summer. That's what went through my head many times. Oh, and I didn't tell you my story about the roof. This is the one thing that I remember the most vividly. I didn't even remember that awesome scene that Kyle and I did laying against the wall.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Really?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I had no memory of it. Alan Coulter, the director, brought it up to me in his episode as something like he was bringing up the. That he fondly remembered as being, like, good moments that we did together. And I was like, yeah, I don't

[Kristin Davis]

remember that at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He said, I really loved it because at the time, he said we had tried to block it many different ways. And then finally we were like, none of this works. Let's just lean against the wall. Like, let's just lean against the wall and just talk simply, you know, Which I think really was powerful and worked.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So honest.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, it was great. It was amazing. And I was so happy that it stood the test of time and was awesome. And I don't even remember, like, online we put Kyle, and people were like, why did you even give up that character trait? And I'm like, I don't know, because I forget the things.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I vaguely remember the. The. The impotence, but I. I didn't remember that then. We have sex once we separate. It's all very interesting, but the roof.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

The roof back. This is the roof scene at the end of the episode.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The roof scene at the end of the episode with the very, very much used photograph of us where they were like, laugh. Everybody laugh. And so we're like, ah, it was so hot that the tar on the top of that rooftop was melted and ruined all of our shoes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, on the bottoms.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. And it was the end of the season. So CYN and I had gotten an ice cream truck because we knew it was hot. Right. To bring ice cream for the whole crew. But we were on the roof. It was like 30 floors up. The elevator broke people.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So we had to walk. We had to get the boxes of the ice cream and walk them up. Oh, all of these stairs.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It was probably melted by the time

[Kristin Davis]

you got up there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was a little melted, but no one cared.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, they'll take whatever.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So happy to get anything cold in any way. Even slightly cold up to the tippy top. And the other thing that I saw recently, and it really, really just brought back so many memories for me because I do remember when I talk to people on the podcast, they're like, oh, you guys were the biggest hit right away. That was not our experience. Our experience was that we had to work hard and we had to do press. We would talk to everybody, anybody, for years and years and years. Right. Someone like E.T. maybe or E. Came to the set that day, that sweltering over 100 degree day, to talk to maybe all of us, but definitely Sarah Jessica. About what?

[Kristin Davis]

Who.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What is the show? People are still asking us, what is the show? Right. This is season three, and she gives the most adorable interview that is on Instagram. She just.

[Kristin Davis]

She's like, well, I play Carrie and

[Cynthia Nixon]

I write a sex column for the observer, and I have girlfriends and they're in the show with me. And there's Charlotte, and she believes in love. And she's a little bit more concerned, like, so by the book, like straight up. Do you know what I mean? And she tells the whole thing, like, just in one take, which if you ever see Sarah Jessica now in an interview situation, it's a much more complex situation going on. Do you know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's not giving anybody any easy answers. No, no. But back then, that's how important we felt like it to sell the show that people understand. Like, we're not.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

There's a log line of this interview.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Exactly. We're not real sex, you know, on hbo in the middle of the night. This is what we are. It's adorable. And she's wearing that whole outfit. She's wearing her.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

The little like. Like, it's like a diaper kind of, but it's the cutest diaper you've ever seen in your entire life with like a halter. And it's.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's like a creation of she and Pat.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She was kind of giving like 13 going on 30, 100%, which I think

[Cynthia Nixon]

is like similar years.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And we're back in it, babe.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know we are back in. I Also feel like Pat. Pat has got me in a short skirt, which is really against my. You know, what I want to be wearing. And you can tell by the fact that I literally don't get up off that thing.

[Kristin Davis]

I, like, wriggle around a little bit.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No improv for you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm, like, worried about my legs. I'm just really worried about my legs. The whole scene, that's all I can think of when I watch it. And I just remember, like, just the heat radiating up from that car, you know, and everybody just sweltering and sweaty and trying to be jovial. And Carrie's gotta get up and do her twirl. And she was all worried. Cause she's wearing her nude fishnet. Which was, like a big thing at the time. We were all out trying to find the nude fishnet.

[Kristin Davis]

We were very.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I haven't seen those yet. I don't think this year.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I haven't either.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Anyway, back to the episode. Back to the episode. So let's just do Charlotte. Cause that's gonna be the easiest, to be fair. Yeah, Charlotte. We come to her at the coffee shop. That's the first time we see. And she's sad about Trey. And she's sad about that she's separated and that. Who wants to be divorced at 30? Whatever she is at the time. And they're kind of trying to. Oh, they come over to my apartment and unpack. Which was weird because I guess we haven't gone through the whole thing where I end up getting his apartment.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I hadn't remembered that at all. But there's a pink lamp that I still have in my own bedroom. And there's a mirror that I had for many years that moved with Charlotte, you know, around different places I got to keep. Which is nice. Yeah, I love that pink lamp. But I don't remember this at all. And it's so sweet that the girls come to help me unpack. And it's a very Alan Coulter scene. Because we're all moving in and out of frame, but the frame doesn't really move. And it was a really hard thing as an actor to remember. Like, oh, I've gotta be to this place by this line. You know what I'm saying? But that was his specialty, in a way. So we always knew you have to be. Have your thinking cap on. Have enough coffee on the day that Alan Coulter's there so that you can do the nail choreography. Exactly.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She's on Broadway. Here we go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I hope I can live up to that fantasy then. Then. So I say, oh, I have this scene where I, like, walk to the doorway and say, like, wouldn't it be great if men didn't exist? And then we wouldn't feel disappointed. I mean, have you seen this thing about this article that this woman wrote about that people are embarrassed to post their boyfriends now?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so great.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's kind of iconic.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But it is. It's how wild that we got to that from where she was in that doorway.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Because, like, back then, you know, and this is someone who desperately wanted to get married. Right. But then who's obviously so disappointed.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And every other character had almost said that in a different context before. But we never thought we'd see.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Never. Charlotte's.

[Kristin Davis]

Never.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And Charlotte's like, it would just be so much better if there were no men. Then we could just feel good about ourselves. And that's kind of what we're seeing in this interesting 2025 version of, like, we can make our own. L. We've got our great house, we've got our great friends, we've got our dogs. We're traveling.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Whatever it is, if it's kind of creating boundaries in relationships in a way that, like. Of being so clear about what it is you're looking for and what you want in someone else, and if they don't meet the mark, then. But your character did that. I think probably the clearest of being pretty specific.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She was certainly very specific. I think her. The main lesson in Trey, which I didn't realize was as complicated as it is. Right. And we're all through it by this episode. But, you know, her issue was that she wanted the picture book. Right. Like, you know how there's gonna be that scene where he comes to take the picture with her even though it's really over?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's one of the home and gardens.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, exactly. He understands how important that is for her. Right. And that is something that's really important for her, but that is an empty picture, you know? And so that's her lesson, is that learning that your picture perfect doesn't make you happy.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thousand percent.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's why then Harry, you know, shows up on the scene and does make her happy, thank goodness. Because that's what she really wanted and needed. But you have to be smart enough and know yourself well enough.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right. She almost manifested too hard.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I think for sure, she was so focused. And I do think that when. When. When women focus, they focus, you know, 150%.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they do get what they want. It's Just not necessarily.

[Kristin Davis]

They don't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They don't want what's actually going to make them happy. But they don't know this till they get it and find that out.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's what I loved about Charlotte. And that was the plan. I mean, our writers. This was. They told me that was the plan. And I was like, okay. But then once Kyle came, I was like, but, you guys. But we love him. We can't let him go.

[Kristin Davis]

But he played it so well, so brilliantly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So brilliantly. So brilliantly.

[Kristin Davis]

He's so good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In that scene when we lean on the backboard and I ask him, you know, whatever it is, it's like the lower part of the wall. And I ask him, like, did you actually ever really want to marry me? And he says, well, I don't know that I really wanted to marry anyone. Does he say that? Something like that. He said, I just thought I should. It's nice to hear a man saying that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's interesting. Right? Like the.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And it's a different flip of your coin because it. You obviously were like, I should get married. I will get married. And it should look exactly like this. So he almost. You were guilty of a similar cry.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which is so perfect. So perfect. Yeah. So perfect. And then he says very sweetly, and I say something like, well, why did you then? And he said, you know, because I felt like I had to, and society's telling me I have to. But also, I didn't think I'd ever

[Kristin Davis]

find anyone better than you or whatever,

[Cynthia Nixon]

more perfect or something.

[Kristin Davis]

He was so sweet, sad, like he loved her.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know, but it's sad. But then we carry on next season.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh. Yep.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So we'll see. I don't remember. I don't know what happens.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. Because not all the crazy sex hasn't happened yet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, just once.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The one. The one time.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But can I just say. I don't know if I should say this, but, I mean, I could watch Kyle and I kissing all day long.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, it works. It's great. Let me tell you. Chemistry's great. And it was so. I think it was as an audience member, we wanted that. It was like, listen, I want it,

[Cynthia Nixon]

and I was in it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So refreshing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. Well, it's also how interesting that you've built this relationship with this relationship up with this other actor, and you haven't done any of those sex scenes, whereas everybody else is meeting someone the first day, and then. So you're obviously so comfortable with Kyle at that point. And then it's like you're finally doing what everybody else has been doing the

[Cynthia Nixon]

entire season, which is a much weighted. It's very hard to just meet someone and have to jump in bed with them on the set. You know what I'm saying? It's very awkward.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And so Kyle was probably one of the few that you got that to do that with.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, for sure, for sure, for sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I had been making out with him for many, many months at this point. Do you know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But also, it was very tasteful the way we do, you know, this particular, like, he comes in the door and then it's craziness, but then we just fall out of frame, which is cute, I thought.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I think to land that next moment of the honesty of it. So it didn't feel camp, you know?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely. No. I know Alan Coulter did a great job directing.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Good director.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know he is a good director. We always loved him. He was one of my absolute favorites, which is why I had him on the pod.

[Kristin Davis]

All right, so that's Charlotte. And yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So he confesses that he says he hadn't felt the sex drive since before they got engaged. Which is interesting because, you know, Charlotte was the one who was like, I'm gonna make him wait. Because I think this could be the one, which I think is such a misguided thing of.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Of waiting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think it's misguided to wait a little bit. Right. Like, I don't think. I think that if you don't wait at all, it could. Yes, tell us.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, my God, the rules. Did you ever read the rules?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God, did.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I had a whole last year situation last year. Well, I went. I was a. I was a bridesmaid. I know, I know. What year is it?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank you so much.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I was a bridesmaid in My God. Sister's wedding.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And it was, you know, me, this trans girl living in la, and then the most wholesome sort of, you know, couples that had gotten married early 20s.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And were on a boat for her bachelorette. And I'm telling them I'm the only single one, you know, and they're all married off and most beautiful blondes you've ever seen. And they go, you need to read the rules. We've all got our husbands because of the rules.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I'm going, well, I think I Amazon to the boat. I think I got a dinghy for 5.99 extra. But, I mean. And then it became My Bible. Cause I said, well, if it worked for them in Colorado, it's gonna work for me. A trans girl in the spotlight in la. And. But one of them was that you can't have sex until like the third or fourth date or something. And I was like, well, that's hard. And. And then I thought. And there was other ones, though, where I obviously, I think we both love to talk, but it was like, you can't ask a question before, like, you. And then you can't call them first.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's messed up. So many.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You can't visit them if you're long distance. Like. And I lived by that for so long until I, like, I forget what the turning point was, but there was one night where I was reading it, and it was towards the end and I was like this. And because it was like, it literally was how to take away all of your parts of yourself in order to be a good wife or, like a potential. And then I was like, but then what happens when you actually get married? And then they find out who you are for sure. But maybe. Was it kind of. Do you think Charlotte would have read the rules?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, yeah. No, Charlotte's got a bunch of books. I can't remember if I held the rules up. She's got a bunch of books. She's got the book about how you need to look at it like a corporate, you know, job, right? Like, she's got to make cold calls and whatever, call her married friends, husbands and ask them to set her up on dates, whatever. That was a weird one.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And then you got set up with the married guy who was the friend.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, that was how I meet Trey. But, yeah, it was so icky. And Charlotte's like, what? Which I thought was funny, but I do think she had the rules on her bookshelf at one point. Like, maybe first or second season. Because, I mean, there was a time where you could escape that book.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It was everywhere.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay, it's not just shopping. It's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing, that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery. And I found the most amazing Mugler jacket.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the costume department loved it and

[Kristin Davis]

it felt so good. And I still have it at home.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board? Or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee eBay things people love it's the perfect time to get that Hyundai car or SUV you've been wanting because the Hyundai Getaway sales event is happening right now. Enjoy great deals across Hyundai's entire award winning lineup like the Tucson with next level tech and safety features, or the Santa Fe with three full rows of premium comfort standard. Or the bold and super stylish Elantra. Or go all electric with their breakthrough SUV, the Ioniq 5. You can't go wrong with whatever model you choose. And getting away with a great deal is just the beginning because every new

[Cynthia Nixon]

Hyundai is backed by America's best warranty,

[Kristin Davis]

which means you can shop with confidence and drive with unrivaled peace of mind. So get down to your local Hyundai dealer and get away with a deal so right it almost feels wrong. But don't wait. The Hyundai Getaway sales event won't be around for long. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details. Let's talk about pain for a moment. We've all experienced it. You wake up ready to start your

[Cynthia Nixon]

day, but those pesky aches and pains

[Kristin Davis]

are already calling the shots. Maybe it's your sore back from yesterday's work, or that knee that complains from taking the dog for a walk. Or perhaps it's your shoulder reminding you of that top shelf you had to

[Cynthia Nixon]

reach at the grocery store.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Dylan Mulvaney]

Also, do you think this idea of her saving herself for marriage? She obviously had had sex before, clearly. And then did I think I remember that correctly? Yeah. But did do you think that she was like this is the one I want so I'm gonna do it differently?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Definitely. Well, I think, I think she, she tried Many things, right. Like how you do when you have this goal, but you don't know how to get to it. And so she tried many things and she did, I think, have in her head in general, you know, I've got to keep him, like, because she doesn't. They just make out for weeks, man.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I won't let him in the house or whatever. It's crazy.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But do you think. Would it have. It would have gone differently if she would have had sex with him?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I think it would have gone differently because I feel, I feel.

[Kristin Davis]

What do I know, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

They are fictional characters.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But just go back for a second, keep going.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What would have happened was that. So he says in this scene, I haven't felt this sex drive since before we got engaged. Right. So that means when they got engaged, Charlotte engineers.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do what? I mean, like, that was Charlotte's doing, the timing of it. Right. Maybe he was thinking it, but he's not gonna do it right then. And then he buys her the ring because she's pouty and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So it was all kind of backwards in some. Alrighty. Yes. The nightmare. The nightmare word. Yes. That. That was. People just said that to us all the time for quite some time. I think what would have happened was

[Kristin Davis]

they would have been free to define

[Dylan Mulvaney]

the relationship as they see and they

[Cynthia Nixon]

would have been free from whatever constraint shut him down. Right. Which has to do obviously with his mother and whatnot.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And your pressure to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And my pressure on my timeline to get engaged and then you're in. I do think that something that happens and I. I hope it's less so now in 2025, but I'm not sure if it is. You know, there you do go into a husband, wife mentality of like, oh, we're doing the things that are expected of us. And that can feel very stifling, you know, for people. So I think if they. If Charlotte hadn't made him wait and done all these things, then he would have been freer and maybe they could have found each other in a freer way, in a more complete way. And then hopefully things could have still gone along. I don't think that he's that kind of guy where he needs the pursuit, you know what I'm saying? I don't feel like he's that. I feel like he's a good guy. But he does seem to have some kind of deep seated issues.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, those families do breed him that way sometimes.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure. For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

For sure. And not a family where you're talking about your feelings freely. Charlotte also, you know Charlotte. No, not bunny. Not Bunny McDougal. She's gonna smoke and be mean. But Charlotte, at one point earlier in the show says, you know, in my family, we don't talk about our feelings. We play tennis. Which was true in his family, too.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, that whole tennis. He's. Yeah. Anyway, so who knows. Who knows what would have happened?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We will never know. But I think what's great is whatever's gonna. We're gonna see in the fourth season where apparently we have a lot of sex. I don't remember this.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, you're about to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I guess. I am. I'm excited. I'm excited to see it. But I did really love how we leave it there with us just talking really honestly, which is really, really nice. Okay, let's just ignore Samantha for a second because we have talked about her for a while. Let's talk about Miranda. It's so good.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's really good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so good. And if you think about the whole trajectory of Miranda, including the films ending, just like that. She's struggling with the fact that she's judgmental. It's so great. And I love her so much.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And the. It's, like, triggered in the weirdest way of her ordering food.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And feeling judged.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Cause the girl laughs at her and knows her order. And then she goes down there to confront this woman who's laughing at her and sees her laughing in the same way with someone else over nothing. And then she realizes that it's not about her, which is, like, so true to life.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

There's so many of those moments. Moments where you, like. I think it's somebody. A lot of people say it. They're never thinking about you the way that you think they are. Of course, we're all so, like, individual that it's. We're not thinking about other people that way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We're not. But of course, you take it personally if you feel like someone all the time.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Of course. Miranda, would you ever have those conversations in the shower with yourself where, like, you. It's like all the things you would say to a person if you were, and then those conversations never happen.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Yes. But that's what I love so much about Miranda and Carrie. Like, when they do get in this fight in this.

[Kristin Davis]

The first Big one ever is the first.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, there is one earlier on that's also about Big, where Carrie calls her

[Kristin Davis]

from a phone booth in the rain.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then you think she might be calling Big, but then she goes and she meets Miranda. Miranda's all wet, and she's come to the coffee shop. That I think was the first fight. If it wasn't as in depth as this fight.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

This fight, to me, all of it

[Cynthia Nixon]

on the table, it was so good and so risky. Like, I never fight with my girlfriends. I'd be scared to death.

[Kristin Davis]

I shouldn't say never.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Occasionally a fight will happen.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

The tension is like, cut it within so high.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because I feel like it's very risky to say things like this to your girlfriends.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Cause that's your safe space.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's your safe space. And you might be blowing up your safe space. Because literally, Miranda says to Carrie, I do not want to hear about Big again. And I do not want you coming to cry on my shoulder, you know? And she's not wrong, right? But then in the end, of course, she is wrong. Because of course you're gonna be there for your friend to cry on the shoulder. And if the friend has to go through that, the friend has to go through that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I think that that was such a growing pain moment of, like. Because it then. It leveled the playing field in a way. Because I think they both got everything they needed to off their chest. Not in the most productive way.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But in a way that then their friendship, when you get through something like that, it only becomes richer.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Absolutely. And that's what is so incredible about them, because they're both so strong in their own ways. I mean, Miranda's kind of more openly strong and judgy, but Carrie's very strong as well.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she stands right back up to her in. In the vintage shop. You know, that. That. The whole thing in the vintage shop. I had forgotten.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Stubborn.

[Cynthia Nixon]

All about it. All the girls can be stubborn 100%. That's very true. That's very, very true. In their own ways. It's very, very true. Very, very true. All right, so wait.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, they run into the boyfriends.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They run into the boyfriends. That was so crazy. I didn't remember that. I didn't even remember that Steve and Aiden become friends. But it totally makes so much sense. They both have their dogs. They're both like regular guys, right? I mean, is Aiden simple? I don't think so, but he kind of seems like he might be there.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think it's the delusion of the girls, because that's. I feel like me and my girlfriends, we operate out of delusion. And that. That's why we've gotten where we are, is because we're like. Well, of course they're these Guys are just having drinks, thinking about us and talking about us. They're not on a date with other women.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. It's so sad.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But when those girls walk them out, just wherever those women are.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know, I know.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And they, it hits you and it's the most embarrassing thing and you fall from this pedestal and, and then when they're, you know, they're bumping, they don't know where to do with their bodies

[Cynthia Nixon]

when they can't get out. Oh, my God.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But have, have you ever had any weird run ins with exes?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, Dylan, I'm sure I have. I don't even know. Your questions are too good and slightly scary. Yes, slightly scary. You can tell by the deer in the headlights. I can't think right now. I mean, yeah, I, I, I generally am relatively friendly with my exes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How about, have you ever worn something that, like, you knew you were going to see your ex and so you're like, I'm going to look, I'm going to look like this?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, for sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, it's been a while.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's been a second.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Since I've been concerned with any exes. Let's put it that way. They're like, I'm like kind of over it all. Do you know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Not, not yet. I'm concerned about. Are you exes? Yeah. Are you? Well, because maybe one of them could still be up the one.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Have you. No. Have you heard? Is it opalite? I'm going to talk a Taylor Swift song right now.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

She has this line, I love it

[Cynthia Nixon]

so much at the beginning. Have you heard Opal?

[Kristin Davis]

Is it opalite?

[Cynthia Nixon]

She says, I have this habit of living in the past. I think she says, thinking about my exes. My brother calls it eating from the trash.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Honey, pull the trash can out because I'm, I'm hungry.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Interesting. I don't know if you should do that, though. It can be a waste of time.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wait, and then I wrote down a quote from this episode, and sadly, I wish it was a Taylor Swift lyric, but this one was the rear view mirror. The relationship appears closer than it is. The relationship appears closer than it appears.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Listen, I'm a master at this and I just need to tell you, don't waste your time with this, okay? If they're gone, they're gone for a reason. They're gonna come back. Don't let them. You need to be moving forward. This, this. Take it from me. I've spent a lot of time waiting

[Dylan Mulvaney]

for people in the way that Alabama Guy taught me. He was like, you're a woman.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I'm also now Kristen Davis has taught me that I don't need to go back to the bad ones.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You don't.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You don't let it go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're gonna come to her.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But I will say, but the rear view mirror for, I think, is really interesting because you start to romanticize it. Of course, once the time goes on, you're like, wait, what was so bad?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. But that's what I do love about

[Kristin Davis]

Carrie, because Carrie in this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

This is the episode where they go and have lunch at the boathouse and fall in the pond.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which was, like, a very big deal. And she wears that incredible. I think it's a Richard Tyler dress. Who designed that? We love.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You think it's gonna be the naked dress because of.

[Kristin Davis]

She's about to be wet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's lunch, right?

[Kristin Davis]

It's lunch.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it's.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She'll show up. She knew exactly what.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it's better. It's better. But I remember the stress about them falling in the pond, and they had, like, hydrogen peroxide to, like, pour the. Cause it's green. It's solid green, that pond. Like, you don't want to go in that pond. You know what I mean? But it was such a great thing that they were like, yeah, we're going to do it. So we had, like, first aid there and everything. And then she cuts her foot in the pond. No. Yeah, she cut her foot in the pond. She had to go get a tetanus shot. And then this is another thing that I remember happening because I wasn't there that day, but I remember, like, if there was a big.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

There's rumbling.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're. You're. You're worried, like, how's it going? And I think Sarah and I might have had our blackberries at that point. The original ones, like, the tiny little ones. Yeah. And we would text all day, you know, and I was, like, so worried, like, how's it going?

[Kristin Davis]

How's it going?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you know how they fall. They fall so beautifully in the water because he kind of comes in to kiss her, and she's like, ah. And then her physical comedy is so brilliant, you know, so she, like, very gorgeously slow Mo goes backward and her leg kicks up. Well, the paparazzi had been there, and they took a bunch of pictures. And then later they reached out to her people and was like, well, we have pictures of Sarah Jessica falling in the pond, and she wasn't wearing underwear, and you need to pay us for these Pictures. And Sarah Jessica was like, I was totally wearing underwear. What are they talking about?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Like, psychotic.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know this. This is how it is, okay? This is how it is. And I remember this dress. And I was so stressed out, like, yes, what could those pictures be? And she was like, I was wearing underwear. Don't even worry. I'm not even worried about it. And I was like, you are stronger than me. But, you know, they. They didn't go anywhere.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They didn't hit the pond in any way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No. It's huge. You've seen.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

There's no. They're not pouring.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There's nothing to be done. No. They had doused them with hydrogen peroxide, like over their heads.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I hope they got a good rap gift for that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't think so. Back in the day, I can't think of what the rap gift was. I don't know.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But then part of me, I think, because I'm sorry, optimistic and just want to do everything twice. I. I'd be like, oh, I get to fall. Like, I'm one of the few people that get to fall in the pond.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, I do think they felt it was special.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because it was so. We hate the word iconic because everyone used to use it back in the day and now people use it every other sentence or whatever. It was iconic.

[Kristin Davis]

Before all the algorithm fed blobs and the endless sea of dupes. Shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listeners? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay, it's not just shopping. It's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery. And I found the most amazing Mugler jacket.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the costume department loved it and

[Kristin Davis]

it felt so good. And I still have it at home.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee. EBay, things people love. It's the perfect time to get that Hyundai car or SUV you've been wanting because the Hyundai getaway sales event is happening right now. Enjoy great deals across Hyundai's entire award winning lineup like the Tucson with next level tech and safety features or the Santa Fe with three full rows of premium comfort standard. Or the bold and super stylish Elantra. Or go all electric with their breakthrough SUV, the Ioniq 5. You can't go wrong with whatever model you choose. And getting away with a great deal is just the beginning. Because every new Hyundai is backed by America's best warranty. Which means you can shop with confidence and drive with unrivaled peace of mind. Mind. So get down to your local Hyundai dealer and get away with a deal so right it almost feels wrong. But don't wait. The Hyundai Getaway sales event won't be around for long. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Let's talk about pain for a moment.

[Kristin Davis]

We've all experienced pain it you wake up ready to start your day, but

[Cynthia Nixon]

those pesky aches and pains are already calling the shots.

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe it's your sore back from yesterday's work, or that knee that complains from taking the dog for a walk. Or perhaps it's your shoulder reminding you of that top shelf you had to

[Cynthia Nixon]

reach at the grocery store.

[Kristin Davis]

Life doesn't stop and neither should you. But don't worry, that's where leaves got your back. Literally. Aleve is designed to deliver long lasting body pain relief so you can take one pill and keep moving through your day. In fact, Aleve lasts up to 12 hours per dose. Yes, that's all day or all night relief with fewer doses. And let's be honest, when you're dealing with pain, the last thing you want is to keep checking the clock, wondering when you can take the next dose. Aleve goes right to the source, targeting pain from inflammation so you can move freely and focus on what truly matters. Whether you're tackling muscle aches, back pain or arthritis and joint pain, Aleve gives you the relief you need to keep going meetings, errands, workouts or just keeping up with life. Aleve works from sun up to sundown, letting you spend your time on what's important. Aleve fits seamlessly into your life. Choose a leave and get on with your day without pain constantly tapping you on the shoulder. So the next time pain tries to slow you down, remember, Aleve keeps you moving with long lasting body pain relief that goes the distance so you can too. Try a leave use as directed for minor aches and pains. I have to tell you guys about Hill House Home, the brand behind the viral nap dress, the one with the signature smocking is both flattering and comfortable. What I love about Hill House dresses is how versatile they are. I just got the scarlet midi nap dress, and I can wear it running errands during the day and at dinner or a party that night. No outfit change required. And it's not just dresses. Hill House started with bedding in 2016, and their robes and pajamas are so soft. Made from the same cotton fabric as their baby onesies. They also have the cutest styles for women, babies, and kids, including monogrammable robes, onesies, and pajamas that make the perfect gift. I love my pink dress that I just got the other day from them. It's so comfortable. I can wear it around the house, and then I can run errands. I can go to lunch. It's. I. It's a dream. Hill House makes fun fashion that makes you feel good, which explains why celebrities like Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo, and Anne Hathaway Way have been spotted wearing it. Honestly, Charlotte York would be all over this. Get 15% off your first order of a hundred dollars or [e-mail] with the code Charlotte15. Again, that's Charlotte15 for 15 [e-mail] Home is your favorite place. Spring is when you let it feel a little more transported. Discover vibrant scents inspired by places. Bright citrus, fresh florals, clean air. Energy designed to refresh your space without adding complexity. Just plug in, choose your scent, and let the season unfold room by room. Explore the spring collection [e-mail].

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What was your most special thing that you said? I can't believe this is happening to me right now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

My first thought was the Trey wedding because it was so beautiful. But the second thought was the wedding that doesn't happen in the movie because we're at the New York Public Library. And we filmed there for so long,

[Kristin Davis]

and it was so gorgeous.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I did. I recreated your When Big's coming after Carrie. And I was in the little black dress with the no good job. Yeah, it's fun. So. But that felt crazier.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, it felt crazy because it was so big and beautiful and.

[Kristin Davis]

And.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And like, we had a room in the. In the public library that. I have pictures of us where we would lounge between takes, you know, and we'd hang up my dress. It was so big, and we had to steam it out all the time. And we'd be in robes, like, lounging with the tapestries behind us. Like, it was so nuts that we were allowed to be there, you know, and that went on For a while, too, right? Like. Like, at least a week, maybe more. I mean, so many different things have been so huge. Going to Morocco, filming in Morocco. I mean, I could go on. We filmed in the Sahara Desert on the camels.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I mean, it doesn't get much crazier than that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It doesn't. And that was us. A little. A little show about four women stomping around Manhattan. You know what I mean? Anything is possible. It's true.

[Kristin Davis]

All right, back to the show.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Let's go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay, so Carrie and Miranda, Brennan, Steve and Aiden is really sad because then these really cute girls, Jessica and Susan, show up. And this is after Carrie and Miranda. No, Carrie. Yeah, Carrie. Miranda have hidden in the hallway thinking, like, they've got to run. They've got to hide. They're out there talking about us. Whatever. They think, of course, the world revolves around them, but it doesn't because they're on dates, which is really funny. And those girls are cute. And then they're all, like, bumping into each other, trying to get. It's adorable. So adorable.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't think they thought they were adorable.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm sure they did.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They did look really good for having run into their ex.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They did. They did. But also, the thing that kind of breaks my heart in that scene is Corbett. The sadness on Aiden's face. He basically doesn't basically speak. Like, I think he says something like, how are you, Carrie? But literally just the sadness on his face is so powerful and well done.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

He's broken.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Broken. And he's not into that girl. Do you know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No. And he probably, like, put up a fight with Steve to even do that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yep.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And yet, of course, that Carrie swoops in and she's there.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I thought it was really good. And I think Corbett, in general, is really good. I'm hoping someday he'll come on here and talk to me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Come.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. But then. Okay, so then this is the big scene. And I love this scene for so many. And I think it was so, so well written. And I think also, like, if you think about the trajectory. Trajectory. It's hard to say of Miranda and Carrie. It's a crazy, powerful friendship. And the writing is never better.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, that scene in the. When they're trying stuff on the vintage, it's that. It's almost as if they, like, clipped it from someone's life.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it's so good. And it happens, like, kind of a surprise. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not like anyone's, like, trying to start a fight overnight.

[Kristin Davis]

Whatever.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's just that Carrie confesses to her first. She says. She says, do you want to do something on Saturday? She says, no, I have to work. And then she's like, no, I feel bad that I just lied to my friend. So she says, no, I don't have to work. I'm gonna go see Big. And Miranda, she's like, broke the camel's back, right? It's extreme, her reaction. And then she's like, no, you know, I'm not gonna be here for another round of this. Like, it's so intense in the. And Carrie's like, what? Like, you know, inside, just like. I can't believe she's saying this to me. And so. It's so good. It's so good. And so she says, wake up, Carrie. How many more times are you gonna go through this? He is bad for you. Jesus. Every time you get near him, you turn into this pathetic, needy, insecure victim. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that you. You're more than willing to go right back for more. I would never say that to one of my friends.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No. And I think, like, it's interesting, though, because that, I think, is a projection onto Carrie of Miranda's own issues. But it's also the wording. It's basically the worst version of how to say everything. Of like, you're really fragile. Okay. No, I'm gonna say you always make yourself the victim. Well.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Cause she doesn't take a moment. That's one thing about Miranda, obviously. She just speaks from the head. She doesn't take a lawyer to think about. How could I say this more gently or lovingly? Right? She's just like, da, da, da, da, da, da. And Carrie's like, you know, cut. Like you cut her. You know what I mean? She looks so hurt.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And when it's your person that, like, Even more. That's what I. I have a hard time believing that I will ever find some man that I love more than I love my best friend Lily. And. But I think that's what's really unique about especially Miranda and Carrie, is that, like, that is such a sacred bond. And now what those words just did was it. It broke it for a second, just for. But, like, I think it can feel, at least in those moments of when

[Cynthia Nixon]

it feels very attention. It's very dangerous.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You don't know how you're gonna come back from it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

For sure. It's very dangerous. And that's why I think women friends don't fight like this. That often. But also why I think it's so great to see them actually go through this. And also one of the last episodes that I've watched of. And just like that, they have another fight. And it's so great. It's after the birthday party, after Charlotte's birthday party in the kitchen. It's so great. And also at that point, Miranda's just talking about her flirting with the neighbor. Right. And she doesn't see it coming. And then Carrie's like, why can't I? You know, I'm not doing anything. What are you accusing me of? You know what I mean? It's super interesting. Super interesting.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Two different snaps.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. But they also know, I think at that point, because they've been friends for

[Kristin Davis]

so long, they know they're to going.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But it is still dangerous. It's dangerous because there's too much truth, you know, and so much history.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they've seen so much of what everyone has gone through. But I love the scene so much. And so they go. And then Carrie goes right home and presses her, you know, voicemail in the olden days type thing. And there's no message. And she thought by now, she says, I thought by now Miranda would have gotten home and left me a message. And then later on she goes and calls her and Miranda, Amanda was just about to call her and they're on the same page again, which is so great and so satisfying and so important. So much more important than the men, really. You know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Totally.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But she goes to this lunch with Big and then I didn't remember this at all, but she goes back to Big's apartment and showers or whatever.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. And looks stunning.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Fantastic. After the hair bounces back. Great.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

There's makeup in that. In his cabinet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

For sure.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Somebody left something over.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or maybe Natasha left some. Oh, God. And we find Natasha's gone and that Big has painted his wall red.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Red.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that Carrie says, basically, like this red wall, it's a great idea, but we just don't really work, which is so sad. And obviously we know it's not true.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But that's also fascinating cause it's similar to Charlotte's moment of saying, did you actually want to marry me?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That's. It's Carrie's having her big season finale wake up call.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so true. And you really believe it. I mean, obviously we know what happens later, so. So we know that that's not the end. But in the moment, watching it, I was like, wow. I would have really believed this as a Fan watching this. It was very good.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, and he looked so good at the, at the pond in that suit. It was like a.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You look good in the suit. But I thought he looked better when he's back at home. His hair's all soft. I like it when his hair's all soft. I know, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

That's fine.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So wait, then Carrie goes, oh, it's one of those really, really beautiful shots of her writing too. Like, I love how the filming, her writing has evolved into just like different angles and fans and, you know, atmospheric.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They have to keep reinventing the wheel for those shots.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They do, but they do a great job. They do a great job. So she says. Later that night, I got to thinking about men and women in relationships. Or more to the point, how women feel men disappoint them in relationships. Then a radical, almost earth shattering thought popped into my head. What if everything isn't the men's fault? After a certain age and a certain number of relationships, if it still isn't working and the exes seem to be moving on and we don't, perhaps the problem isn't the last boyfriend or the one before him or even the one before him. Could it be that the problem isn't

[Kristin Davis]

them, but horror of horrors, is it us?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love it so much.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But that is like the fact that that monologue took three seasons and many more years before that leading up to get to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's true. It's true. But it's so good. And I just think it's important to remember, you know, it's important to remember. Right?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, it's accountability.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It is accountability. And also, like, I do think it's very, very easy to think like, like women, we do one thing and the men do another thing. And like, this Alabama guy can totally prove you wrong, right? Like, you have to keep your mind open or having your.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think the fact that these women, especially at the diner, are constantly explaining for the other man's behaviors and why they're. These women are in the right. But, you know, we only get so many of what did the woman do wrong? Where, like, I think that is Carrie's sort of like, oh, let's see what I've got going on here.

[Cynthia Nixon]

100%. So then we go to the kiss and makeup party on the rooftop. I didn't realize we called it that. I guess we call it a kiss and makeup party. And again, where's the scene in between of how we got to the kiss and makeup?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We need to get to the kiss and makeup party.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'M super, super interested. And I again am sitting there obsessing over Trey, which is hysterical. But then I say that I'm not going to.

[Kristin Davis]

I believe.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Like, poor Charlotte. Poor Charlotte, she needs some help. She needs a therapist. That's what Charlotte needs. You know what I mean? But she doesn't get one for some reason. We did leave out some of the. All the. Carrie with the roosters. So insane. I just have to go back to it for a second. So she.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have you ever had chickens or roosters?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have never. Though I do have friends who do.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I've kind of given chickens like you would like have them in your little backyard, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know people who do, yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Excuse me. But I did used to live in a canyon here that did have roosters that were like grandfathered in. And the roosters did wake me up because I would have. I would fly home to get some sleep when we were working, when we were doing the show because we worked all night and we never slept.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I would come home to my super quiet house up in the hills and at 5am those roosters down at the bottom of the hill would start crowing and I would wake up and I'd be so mad.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And so LA was no longer the sleep city.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I mean, I'd go back to sleep. But yeah, they were. They wanted to get us up. I don't think they're there anymore because I did. I lived there for like 20 years and I think when they died out, I don't think they could get new ones. But I do have friends. And the stress is that you don't always know when they're chicks, if they're roosters or not. Right. So you're trying not to get roosters and you end up with roosters. And then if you want eggs, you need roosters. I'm not a morning person who situation. You're not not. I am now cuz of the kids and the time change hasn't helped. Right. So we're getting.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

When you come back. Yeah, you get. You get up early.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. But that's okay. That's okay. I've become more of a morning person and it is nice and like you can get some stuff done in the morning.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You feel productive.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You do, you feel productive.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

and the costume department loved it and

[Kristin Davis]

it felt so good and I still

[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

Let's talk about pain for a moment.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

those pesky aches and pains are already calling the shots.

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe it's your sore back from yesterday's work or that knee that complains from taking the dog for a walk. Or perhaps it's your shoulder reminding you of that top shelf you had to

[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

So Samantha is in her new apartment in the meatpacking district, which I think we saw her in previously. Cuz she gets sick and the light's coming in and she's trying to close the curtains until curtains break and she wants someone to come help her. And she realizes this a couple episodes ago that like all of her conquests or whatever are not necessarily going to show up for her when she's sick. Which is kind of sad and heartbreaking. It made me feel really sad for Samantha that past. So she's, she's in her fabulous apartment and we all go over to have drinks, I think.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, I think she'd had a altercation before. Wait, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She has a guy at one point

[Dylan Mulvaney]

there and then he leaves.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Literally like she goes crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She gets like a.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She dumps the water.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She dumps the water. Oh God. But let's back up.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So Samantha is woken up by a

[Kristin Davis]

group of trans women on the street.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm reading my notes right now. Who said, says and says you.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh yeah, no, no, I can't even read these lines.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Nope.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So there's some craziness happening down on the street. Okay. And they're loud and probably there used to not be people living there.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, because it was the meatpacking district and the meatpacking district was like butchers and things. That's what it really was. So it was probably an area where if you were a sex worker, you could go and no one would be

[Dylan Mulvaney]

bothered and only your callers could. From New Jersey, she says, who have

[Cynthia Nixon]

driven across the Holland Tunnel. It's right there and it's easy. You just drive right over the Holland Tunnel and you're there in the Meatpacking district, which is all very real and I'm sure probably did happen, but I don't know why, why, why we needed to have it happen in our show or whatever. But we do have it happening in our show. And Samantha is. She decides it's very interesting. She says, I'm going to test my PR skills and talk to them. So she goes out there in that gold trench coat.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, to make nice kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But then when she turns her back and walks away, she kind of rolls her eyes. It's an interesting.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think she, she thought she could get what she wanted.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Because I think she. Well, and she is comparing them a lot to, to men in the episode. And actually what it proves to me is that it's like interacting with trans people like You. You can't project some idea of what they. You have to let someone tell you who they are. And she thought she knew who those women were before.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She definitely did. She definitely did. So she goes down to basically make friends with them and to try to reason with them.

[Kristin Davis]

And she says, this might.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I'm up there, and you guys are too loud. And she meets Destiny, Chyna and Jo, who are very nice to her.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And say, like, oh, okay, you know, they get it. Yeah. We'll quiet down. And then the next time we see her, she's having sex with some, like, literally, like a fitness model. Like, my God, I don't.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Even if we know who he is,

[Cynthia Nixon]

we have no idea who he is, what he does, nothing. But they're trying to have sex, and he's into it, but she's distracted by the women in the street, and she decides she's, like, obsessive and weird at that point. So the guy gets like, what is wrong with you?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, she, you know, literally fills up a bucket and dumps it on them, which is such a TV moment. But it's a TV moment. Like, it's funny because it's like it didn't matter who it was or what it was, but it was the thing prohibiting her from having sex. So it was the end of it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, orgasm.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, it's fair. And I guess that's top of the list for her.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She has a lot of orgasms, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, whatever.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But, you know, But I think that then it becomes this sort of cat and mouse game of, you know, the egging of.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, that's crazy. I didn't remember that at all. So then that's destiny. So cut to. She throws the water out, and it takes someone's wig off. Must be destiny's, right?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And so then Destiny comes back and throws eggs at her window. And Samantha, really, really not the smartest move. Opens the window. What was she thinking? And of course, gets a big egg in the face, which she does deserve.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

A good. You know what? I think that that was. That was for the entire community. I'm. The only time I'll speak on behalf of the entire community is the egg.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I agree. I agree. Because she wasn't smart, number one. Number two, she does deserve it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She said the. The t. Slur many a time.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think she really does.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

When was that something that was like a word that was floating around during.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think it was. I mean, it's hard to remember because I wasn't in that storyline. Right. So I didn't like sit down and think it through. But I do remember, I feel like there was some kind of. Some kind of cultural awareness beginning. But it was like baby, baby steps very much where somehow it seemed okay to just be like. Like the tranny?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Like casually just say it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Like somehow tranny seemed more friendly than

[Kristin Davis]

saying, you know, a transsexual.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Transsexual, which would have been the one.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Or misgendering straight up, which is what that was. A lot of that and a lot of these like, allusions to. But I think that a lot of it was the, the writing. I could tell it was for the comedy.

[Kristin Davis]

They.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They wanted the jokes in there over the top.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Over the top.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I think during that time people were probably laughing at not.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you think?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think they were. I don't. I mean, I imagine people during that time watching it. Maybe very, you know, liberal people watching it and being concerned. But I. I can't imagine that level of show with that big of an audience doing something that would upset that. Like, it didn't seem wildly upsetting at the time, I assume.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think it seemed wildly upsetting because I don't. I just thought it was so broad and over the top and kind of shade. Well, now it's obviously now, but even at the time I just thought it was like one of those times where occasionally. And I think sometimes it's because the structure of the show, right. Is like you have a storyline, B storyline, C storyline, D storyline. Right? And they can't all be serious, Right. And they can't all be in depth because there's not time. Even though this episode's longer than we

[Dylan Mulvaney]

get a lot in there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

34. Yeah, 34 minutes. Whereas most of our episodes were 22, which is crazy because we get so much in there. But that was definitely the broadest. Like we've got Charlotte kind of having a very kind of real storyline. Not funny at all. Carrie not funny at all. Other than, I mean, when she falls in the pond, I. I don't know if it's funny haha. But it's like a lot, obviously. And then, I mean, I think I laughed out loud. I think Big made me laugh out loud. Someone made me laugh out loud. Which is pretty funny also at this time, 30 years later. But. And then we also have. I do think they try to make the meeting of the boyfriends in the street comedic by bumping into each other. But then we also have the argument. We have a lot of dramas where

[Kristin Davis]

I'm trying to make so many things

[Cynthia Nixon]

So I feel like the.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

This was supposed to be the funny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Now, to me, I don't ever think I thought it was funny. Right. I don't ever also think I had understanding of the deeper reasons that it was wrong. I don't think I had that either. Right. But I think I was somewhere in the middle at that point.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And it was also not your storyline.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. So I didn't have to delve into it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But I think the hope that I have is that anyone, you know, rewatching it now does get that cringe of understanding of like, oh, this isn't landing the way that this show obviously intended.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And. But I also think, like, like my general hope outside of this podcast everywhere is that even if I might not be someone's cup of tea as a trans person, that they find a trans person in their lives that they can connect to over something other than identity. And I think that that's what's so important of just being able to say, oh, we should have done this different, or, you know, obviously now we would want those characters to be played by trans women. In this last episode, we were just talking about how a black trans person talking about this would be very different and important. And I think what just makes me so sad right now in this world is how close minded we've gotten and that there are people, very famous comedians, still making those same jokes that they were in sex and city 25 years later that are on Netflix. And so I just hope that we can move forward in the right direction. But my dad is like the sort of straightest, most macho football loving guy. But he does make 400 cookies a week. Very random fact.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And loves costumes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Does he give them all?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, he gives them out to people on the streets.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's incredible.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. But he was talking. He was talking to me one night about. He was like, you've shown me. One of the things that I talked to him about was like, he was like, I'm just so scared that your life is gonna be so hard. And I said, and he thought that when I was a gay kid, even that my life was gonna be so hard. And we've seen gay marriage come so far and, you know, just gay culture has changed so much in the past 20 years. And I told him, I was like, my life in 20 years is gonna be so much safer and richer and nuanced. This is the most nuanced episode that I can think of, at least. Least for me. And I really, really hope that we are looking forward to the future and trying to make the changes now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I agree. I mean, I think. And that's the other thing I think about. I mean, because, like, for me, certainly, I can't count all of the different trans people that I know. I know so many in so many different stages of their lives, which is amazing and so inspiring.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But I'll just say having support from someone like you makes me feel like less of a problem in this world because I think I know who I am so well. But then when the. Especially the women that I've looked up to my whole life say, I see you for who you are, I stand by you, I support you, it makes me feel like I'm going to be okay. Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm glad. I mean, I wish that we could somehow, you know, blanket the world in that. You know what I'm saying? Because. Because we want everyone to be okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But. But the world wants to make someone like you scared right now to support trans people.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I love you.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We're not gonna do that.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, wow. This is like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We're not going backwards.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's why I kind of want to keep making the show. You have to find your way to tell your story.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And it's messy at the beginning. Oh, my God. Like, if we're thinking about. I've never compared my transition to. And just like that. But, like, you've got to find your footing. And a lot of people judged me at first. And even some of your viewers might be like, oh, isn't that that girl who X, Y and z. But it's the awkwardness of finding. Finding life after, you know, you've lived for so long in one way and trying to refind it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Is. Is awkward and messy, but in its earnest.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And. And that's what.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it might have moments of cringe.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. Oh, my God. I'm. I'm cringe dot com.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so funny to me the way that the world talks about cringe now like that. It's somehow avoidable.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It's not avoidable if you're living and

[Dylan Mulvaney]

it's suppressing so many young people's desires through creativity. There's so many young people that wouldn't be making things right now, but they're nervous what their friends are going to think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You can't be nervous about that. People, you gotta go out there and do stuff.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Post the video, write the song, fall in your face. Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, I know.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And you've got kids, so it's like you are trying to make sure they're walking through life the way that you would want them to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's true.

[Kristin Davis]

And I mean, they are.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And because. Because a lot of the kids, people that I know are young people who are trans. And then also now we have people who are finding the strength to come out and be their true selves now, even later at life. Because the way the world is changing, even though it is this very herky jerky. We've got people moving forward, we've got people not moving forward, potentially going back. But you know what? We're not going to be with them. And hopefully we're going to help them at some point. Point.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm not sure how, but you know what I'm saying?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We're gonna get there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We're gonna get there because we're all moving forward. You know, I believe that. I do believe that. And I believe that partly because I know so many people that I cannot. I cannot allow them not. Not to be whole and happy and safe.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We have to, you know, do what we need to do to make that happen.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. It's just sad that that is a part for debate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It is, it is. It's. It's. It's shocking.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But if it's any consolation to you, me being here and getting to meet you today and seeing you on my wall every day when I wake up is like the greatest gift you could have ever given me. Thank you.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're a gift to me. You're a gift to me to be here, to be yourself. I've been following you. I've been so happy to see your success. It's so thrilling.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And we're gonna get you on Broadway.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know. I think you should take the Broadway reigns. Okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You'll come. You'll come. Oh, and if this comes out, by the time, I'm gonna be playing Anne Boleyn in six musical Anne Boleyn.

[Kristin Davis]

I love Broadway so much.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's really. You haven't seen it, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We're gonna get you if you're in New York.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm into it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's 80 minutes. I love it. I love an In N Out kind of show.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. I think one act is all we need these days. We've got places to be, be people to see. And. And I think I'll be the first trans person to. To take on the. The show. And it's. It's little things like that that I. I'm not an activist and I don't see myself but that's the kind of advocacy that I'd like to do.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Absolutely. I think advis advocacy can take so

[Dylan Mulvaney]

many forms with the animals.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I love seeing you go to the elephants, the Sheldrakes. I want to go there one day.

[Kristin Davis]

You should go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's so healing. It's so wonderful, so great, so great, so great. I haven't been in a little while. I miss it when I haven't been. Before the kids, I used to go like twice a year, which was wonderful.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have they gone yet? Have the kids gone?

[Cynthia Nixon]

They haven't gone yet. Partly because the time change.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's a lot.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's a lot for the seven year old. But they're dying to go. And so I keep trying to figure out a way, like how. You know what I'm saying?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's gonna happen.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, it'll happen for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

Because. Because they love it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I have a lot of pictures up. The elephants, the baby. Who doesn't love a baby elephant? I know. It's a great thing. Do you travel a lot?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I travel all the time. And I used to raise possums in my kitchen in West Hollywood. Well, speaking. Yeah. I mean, there's animals in this episode. During the pandemic, I lost my job in the Book of Mormon, the musical. And so I had time on my hands and I got onto kind of the underground possum rehabilitation circuit, which I can get you into if you're interested in. Interested? No, no.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I have a little dog.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He's a hunter.

[Kristin Davis]

It's.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah, but, you know, possums fall in a pool. They gotta call. Someone went over this woman's house. We raise pearl, but then you have to let them go. Unless they've either lost a tail or been. They've hit their head really hard. So I had to let mine go into the wild.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Did she go?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

She's. She's out. Well, actually, they only live two to three years.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Possums only live two to three years.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. Q. When somebody loved me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Everything was beautiful. Beautiful.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Pearl. Rip.

[Kristin Davis]

Pearl.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, Pearl. But. But she got to live a wild life because of you.

[Kristin Davis]

That's amazing.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I know. It all started in a West Hollywood kitchen.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Don't know anything about the possums, but

[Dylan Mulvaney]

you and you're doing something similar for the. The elephants.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I try. I try. I'm just a support for the real people doing it on the ground in Kenya. But I do love it. But advocacy can take many forms. And I think that sometimes just being present in the world is a form of advocacy at this point in time,

[Kristin Davis]

you know what I mean?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And find someone that you can connect to or follow that helps whatever version that you're looking for.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Of that I agree. And I, for me, I think a lot of it is about creativity. I think it's about expansion. Like who expands my worldview. That's one of the things that I look for. Yeah. Who makes me think, who makes me see things differently? You know, who's doing something that I wish I could do that I can look up to? You know, you guys, you, Benny, Mary Beth, like the young people that I can find.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We all need to do something together one day.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It would be amazing. But I mean, just watching you guys succeed, oh, it makes me so happy. I love you happy. I love you guys so much. And you're just out there paving the way, you know, it's amazing. Thank you for being here, Dylan. It's a dream. We've had it since November and it came true.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's happening. Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

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