The Write Stuff with Jenny Bicks... (S1 E8 "Three's A Crowd")

Summary

Are You A Charlotte?

Host: iHeartPodcasts

Episode: The Write Stuff with Jenny Bicks... (S1 E8 "Three's A Crowd")

Release Date: March 31, 2025

Summary:

In the eighth episode of Season 1, titled "Three's A Crowd," hosted by Kristin Davis of Are You A Charlotte? alongside Cynthia Nixon, the discussion revolves around the intricate storytelling and character development in Sex and the City, specifically focusing on episode 108, penned by Jenny Bicks. This episode delves deep into Charlotte York’s exploration of her sexual desires, a pivotal moment that underscores the show's progressive approach to female sexuality.

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Episode Overview

"Three's A Crowd" marks a significant turning point in Sex and the City, intertwining multiple character arcs with the central theme of sexual exploration and personal fulfillment. Written by Jenny Bicks and directed by Nicole Holofziner, the episode balances humor with poignant moments, shedding light on the complexities of relationships in New York City.

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Key Discussions

1. Charlotte’s Threesome Proposition

Kristin Davis opens the discussion by expressing her initial confusion and surprise upon rewatching the episode:

Kristin Davis [03:01]: "I really didn't have a lot of memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth is happening? It's a bold first episode, Jenny."

Cynthia Nixon agrees, highlighting the episode's boldness:

Cynthia Nixon [03:24]: "It's bold. And yet it was, you know, it was of the time."

The crux of the episode centers on Charlotte's contemplation of engaging in a threesome to satisfy her husband's fantasies, juxtaposed with Carrie and Big deepening their relationship amidst unexpected revelations about Big's past.

2. Balancing Sexuality with the Female Gaze

The hosts discuss the delicate balance the show maintained between portraying sexual themes and catering to a female audience:

Cynthia Nixon [06:18]: "We didn't want to be that. We wanted to be, for women, from the female gaze."

This perspective ensured that sexual content was meaningful and character-driven rather than titillating, setting the show apart from contemporaries like HBO's Dream On.

3. Behind-the-Scenes Challenges

Kristin shares behind-the-scenes anecdotes about filming intimate scenes:

Kristin Davis [07:01]: "We didn't really know what the tone was, so we weren't really sure in the acting of it also."

She recounts moments of uncertainty and the absence of modern protocols like intimacy coordinators:

Kristin Davis [09:06]: "And because it wasn't sexual, it's much easier... there were no rules. And sometimes you had to call people... Help, help, help."

Cynthia adds her perspective on the actors’ approach to handling intimate scenes with professionalism:

Cynthia Nixon [06:19]: "We never wanted fake. It was a very awkward. It was a fine line."

4. Character Evolution and Themes

The conversation shifts to the evolution of Charlotte’s character and her interactions with other characters, particularly Miranda and Samantha:

Cynthia Nixon [27:40]: "She is she's there for these women at times where other people might not be."

Kristin reflects on how the character dynamics mirrored real-life friendships and personal growth:

Kristin Davis [28:45]: "I was trying so hard to fit in. I was trying so hard to pull off these things and trying to figure out how Pat wanted to dress me and could I do it."

5. Societal Impact and Legacy

Both hosts contemplate the show's impact on conversations around female sexuality and relationships:

Cynthia Nixon [36:21]: "We always wanted the sex to be almost like. We never wanted to be like, ooh, we're shooting a soft porn."

They acknowledge the show's pioneering role in normalizing discussions about women's sexual desires and relationship complexities.

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Notable Quotes

• Kristin Davis [05:16]: "What are you gonna do? And it was, in fact, a dream."

• Cynthia Nixon [10:42]: "It was the 90s. It was a longish time ago now. And I think a lot has happened with how men communicate now."

• Kristin Davis [27:08]: "So that was your goal, and you guys really, really did it."

• Cynthia Nixon [55:07]: "It's like, I. I have some dignity, and I am taking this mask and leaving."

• Kristin Davis [74:35]: "I did not even realize how much the characters were developed."

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Insights and Reflections

1. Authenticity in Storytelling:
The hosts emphasize the authenticity with which Sex and the City portrayed women's experiences, avoiding clichés and ensuring that each character's journey felt real and relatable.

2. Production Realities:
They shed light on the practical challenges of filming in the late '90s, including limitations in technology, wardrobe restrictions, and the evolving nature of television production standards.

3. Personal Growth of Cast Members:
Kristin and Cynthia reflect on their personal growth alongside their characters, acknowledging how their roles influenced their perspectives on relationships and self-expression.

4. Legacy and Continued Relevance:
The episode underscores the enduring relevance of Sex and the City in contemporary discussions about women's liberation, friendship, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Conclusion

"Three's A Crowd" serves as a microcosm of Sex and the City's groundbreaking approach to intertwining personal growth with societal themes. Through Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon's in-depth discussion, listeners gain a nuanced understanding of the episode's significance, the challenges faced during its creation, and its lasting impact on television and feminist discourse.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Kristin Davis [03:01]: "I really didn't have a lot of memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth is happening?"

• Cynthia Nixon [06:18]: "We didn't want to be that. We wanted to be, for women, from the female gaze."

• Kristin Davis [09:06]: "And because it wasn't sexual, it's much easier... there were no rules."

• Cynthia Nixon [27:40]: "She is she's there for these women at times where other people might not be."

• Kristin Davis [28:45]: "I was trying so hard to fit in."

• Cynthia Nixon [55:07]: "It's like, I. I have some dignity, and I am taking this mask and leaving."

• Kristin Davis [74:35]: "I did not even realize how much the characters were developed."

These quotes highlight the depth of the discussion, providing listeners with direct insights into the hosts' perspectives and experiences related to the episode.

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Cynthia Nixon]

Yay. Thank you for having me.

[Kristin Davis]

It's my pleasure. We're gonna rewatch your very first episode that you wrote for Sex and the City. It is episode 108, three's a crowd, an incredible episode written by you, directed by the also incredible Nicole Holofzinner. So I love this episode. I really didn't have a lot of memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth is happening? It's a bold first episode, Jenny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's bold.

[Kristin Davis]

It is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was bold. And yet it was, you know, it was of the time. I mean, it was.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. So of the time. And I mean, we did touch on this briefly amongst ourselves, but to me, it's the first that the theme is really run through all the characters in such a great, great way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. It's such a magical thing when you find kind of a sexual thing that also ties into exactly what your characters might be going through at the moment. And we had, you know, Carrie and Big were at this point in their relationship where they were getting more serious, and suddenly she learns about the ex wife, the other third person.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And so we're dealing with that at the same time that Charlotte is dealing with the fact that the man that she's betting, or he's betting her, we would never have used words like that. By the way, betting wants to have a threesome.

[Kristin Davis]

That's his fantasy, Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she's thinking about it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it. That crazy Charlotte. Oh, my God. And also, just side note, we have Lisa Emery.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Incredible. Who you all might know from Ozark, where she played a very terrifying character.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And in our episode here, she's a sweet wife who gets cheated on.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. She gets.

[Kristin Davis]

Gets cuckolded, and you feel so bad for her. But then she's very open and she's like, maybe if this would keep my husband happy, we can have a threesome. And Samantha is not having it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's not having it. She's the guest star.

[Kristin Davis]

She's the guest star. So that this is a big part of the theme that I want to talk about. We can go scene by scene. But also just thematically when I was watching it, because I didn't remember a lot of it. Right. Like, I, I, I told you already. But when I, when Charlotte does seem like she might be going to have a threesome with these people in a very romantic and beautifully lit scene. I had a panic when I was watching this in my bed last night, thinking, why don't I remember kissing these two people at the same time?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God, what am I about to see?

[Kristin Davis]

What are you gonna do? And it was, in fact, a dream.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was, it was a dream.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, how could I have blocked that out or whatever? Because I've never had a thing in my life.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And also, you had your top off.

[Kristin Davis]

I did.

[Cynthia Nixon]

How about that?

[Kristin Davis]

And I can 100% tell that I am in a panic because I step very gingerly forward, which I know I'm just trying to be right on my mark so that no body parts are showing. And then I very gingerly reach my hands out, like in a really odd way, and they take my hands. I can so feel the nerves radiating.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That takes such guts. Well, one, two.

[Kristin Davis]

And I'm curious if you. What your thoughts are. What I remember, especially from the very beginning, was that we all, as a group, and I can't speak for everyone, but we didn't know what was right or wrong for us to show because we didn't really know what show we were on. Right. And do you remember that show, Dream on, that was on hbo where literally every episode some random woman just shows her breasts.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

We didn't want to be that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

We wanted to be, like, for women, like, for women to watch from the female gaze. Not, like, titillating. But also we are talking about sex, and we didn't want to be fake. I mean, it was a very awkward.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was a fine line.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I think, I think what's great is because we didn't show a ton of nudity. Honestly, it was true to what the show was.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which was we're not real sex on hbo. We're a show that, where we're talking about it. But showing a boob just for fun is not the reason people, people aren't watching it. To hope to catch a sight of, you know, full frontal nudity.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right, right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or if they were, they were disappointed.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. And so if it was appropriate for the scene, you know, then a little bit like, like there was a scene in the last one, I want to say, where you see a little bit of my side movement. I'm like, oh, my God, I Didn't even remember this, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, of course now you're like, it's like nothing. People are.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But the Misha, which was an episode I wrote you, you did it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you owned it.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. It was challenging. But I'll tell you what I liked about that. And I also have. I mean, there are some times and I said something earlier in one of the Beatty situation with the press these days is so stressful because you say things here because it's so intimate, right? Like, of course.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Why would they take it out of context?

[Kristin Davis]

I did say something because there were some awkward times early on, you know, with directors, not with you guys, but like sometimes in the middle of the night when everyone would have gone home who wasn't in the scene, you know, some director would want you to do something and like, even, you know, the other actresses weren't there, you could even go to them and be like, help me. And I would go lock myself in my dressing room and call my manager back in LA and be like, help me. What do I do? The Mikva. I remember because we had talked about it, you know, for some time, and it was obviously a very, very integral part of the storyline. That was a very big, important storyline. And because it wasn't sexual, it's much easier to. To have some nudity in a non sexual way than to in it, like a spiritual way. But the thing that I remember about that is that the director and the DP and Video Village had been set up because the AD let it happen. I'm not gonna name right now where I had to walk and they were smoking cigars.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What this I don't remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Because it was the wee wee hours. Because it took forever to go down to that tile set that we'd built, right. And I went to this ad and I was like, I'm trying to do something here. Like, without feeling self conscious, could you possibly move all those guys?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it's crazy. Back then, what went on, right? And this is a. Where we had so much power, but we didn't have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There were no intimacy coordinators. Those did not exist in our business.

[Kristin Davis]

No. And even in a situation where you theoretically did have so much power that all that stuff was still able to happen, and then you had to be the bad guy and go and say, like, they can't smoke their cigars. Literally in my eyeline, when the idea.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That anyone's smoking a cigar together, I'm pretty sure that's Illegal. Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

No, Back in the day, they used to. Remember on the Silver cup soundstage, we'd be there all night, Friday night, and, like, it would just be like a cloud of smoke. You know, Sarah was smoking because Carrie was supposed to smoke. McGann was smoking. You remember? Marvin McGann was smoking. I mean, so many people, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it was just smoking.

[Kristin Davis]

Trying to see. I can't see my mark. You know what I mean? I know. The olden days. The olden days. Anyway, back to. Back to our episode. But, yeah, a lot of crazy stuff went on.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, but also, I will say it was a beautifully shot. That moment was beautifully shot because it's.

[Kristin Davis]

In Charlotte's mind, right? So it's perfection. No, but you have romantic perfection.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You looked beautiful.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you so much. No, I'm so happy that I did it. Because, of course, at the time, you're, like, so stressed and stressed and stressed. Now you're like, oh, my God, I should have just been running through the town with my shirt on.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No. And that's what we call clickbait.

[Kristin Davis]

I know that's true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Ladies and gentlemen.

[Kristin Davis]

I do sometimes think that. I do sometimes think that. But I remember having a lot of stress about it. And just briefly, remember the sailor episode.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, I do know the sailor episode.

[Kristin Davis]

And when I flashed my boob.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I didn't want to do it. Michael Patrick forced me to do it. And he kept telling me, like, it'll be fine. It'll be great. And it is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But we were in a restaurant. You know what I mean? Like, there were people everywhere.

[Cynthia Nixon]

This is not gonna cut together well. This is not gonna sound good when this goes out.

[Kristin Davis]

It's okay. It's okay. He knows.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, but I do think the other thing, and Michael talks about this a lot, too, is that we always wanted the sex to be almost like. We never wanted to be like, ooh, we're shooting a soft porn, like, Red Shoe Diary kind of situation.

[Kristin Davis]

The tone was important.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. But I will say the music choices. In my episode, there was, like, this jazzy kind of sexy music. When you're in bed with your boyfriend. I'm like, we would never have done that after season one for sure. We would not. We would have counterpointed it more.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's what was confusing about being an actress in season one, too, was because we didn't really know. Right. We weren't really sure what the tone was, so we weren't really sure in the acting of it also. And then sometimes we weren't around when the others were doing their sex scenes. Right. So. Or their romantic scenes or whatever it was. So we didn't know what they were doing. Do you know what I'm saying? So there was like this kind of like checking in, like, what. What are you guys, what do you think? What do you. What are you doing? Because like Cynthia, you know her, she's like, I don't care, you know, but she still hasn't, she hasn't shown much or whatever.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And then Kim, I think at one point already has, but it was like a kind of a funny. She like had a. There's a humor kind of about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think as long as there's either like the mikvah where you're in a situation that's non sexual or if it's happening, it's for a really good reason and you're counterpointing it with something so that it doesn't feel prurient.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. But that was the whole key to it. And we hadn't really fully gelled on.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I don't think we knew.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Cause also not everyone was around all the time to discuss it kind of in a thorough way. You know what I mean? You were just like, what did that one do? What happened in that scene?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, no one knew.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But when I did watch the threesome that I thought I was gonna about to have, didn't remember. And then I was like, oh, thank God it was just a dream. But I could literally tell that I'm just like frozen as an actress. Like I'm just gonna take this tiny step and then nothing will show, you know what I mean? Like there won't be too much rear end and there won't be side boob and I'm just enough stepping in. Yes, exactly. But anyway, we digress. But I mean, there's the fun things to think about because I think that the, the way that it developed and the fact that all of us were there and had the same goal is why it worked out and why we felt safe eventually. Like it took a little something. We felt unsafe in the beginning. We were just weren't sure. Right. Like we were checking in, we just.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Didn'T know where the lines were exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

And it depended on the director, what they wanted to do, you know, and sometimes that wasn't necessarily in line with what Darren and Michael wanted, you know. And then you had to call people.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. Like calls had to be made.

[Kristin Davis]

Help, help, help. Yes. Okay. So I'm basically, I'm basically. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm meeting the guy at the benefits. All the benefits for the diseases. His name is Jack.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, he's one of many guys. In the beginning, Charlotte's just trying to figure out if she can go with what he wants. And pretty quick, he seems like he brings up this threesome. I mean, I guess we have the montage. So it's like there's time has passed. And this is the first time when I'm watching that I feel like Charlotte's storyline makes sense.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, really?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Like, before, there's the artist who paints her, which everyone's like, she agreed to this. And for me, I mean, I can only assume. I think at the time, I just really wanted someone to write a storyline for me. Right, Right. And I was like, I'm gonna have to roll with this. And then I also think, because it's about her gallery, it's about. So she's like, I'm gonna do what I have to do because she thinks she's landed him as a client. He's a big deal. Right. And it's safe up in the woods. And his wife was there. You know what I'm saying?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And she likes art.

[Kristin Davis]

She loves art. Because, like, when he asks her, what are your fantasies? I laughed at myself so hard. I just. 100% authentically. Well, I'd like to own my gallery one.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's like, I didn't mean that. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so cute. But then I also said that I want a house in Maine. Which you do.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do have.

[Kristin Davis]

Which I love that so much.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So there you go.

[Kristin Davis]

I love it. Did you want that at the time?

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know what's interesting? So I had spent my summers growing up there, so my family had a house there. But I think I always imagined I would have my own house.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I didn't then, but now I do.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So there you go. Just like Charlotte. I got certain things.

[Kristin Davis]

Charlotte let that dream go somewhere. Maybe Harry didn't share that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We don't know. We don't know if. Well, I guess we do know.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we would know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We would know, wouldn't we?

[Kristin Davis]

I think it would come up. I found other dreams. I think Harry didn't.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Probably didn't want to be in Maine. There's a lot of ticks. You know, he's got.

[Kristin Davis]

He does not like the bugs.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He doesn't like the bugs.

[Kristin Davis]

He really, really doesn't. It's still going on. Okay, back to the show. Way back. Okay. So I get to have the thematic storyline, which is fun, and I like that there's like a beginning, middle, and an end. And then also that there's such a great discussion.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. I love that discussion.

[Kristin Davis]

And so I need some clarity, though, because sometimes people say things that I'm not quite. If I'm hearing correctly. Like, basically, Sam is saying. Samantha's saying that you don't want to be the guest star in the threesome.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, you do want to be the guest.

[Kristin Davis]

You want to be the guest star because you don't want connections.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You don't want connections. You don't want to do it with, like, a good friend. You want to be like. You want to come in and out, enjoy it and get the hell out. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would want one of my friends.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But that's so Charlotte. She's like. She would feel safe that way.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's a terrible idea. It was really so horrifying for me to think about, like, what if she tried to convince Gary to be the threesome mother? This would be terrible. Okay. Just terrible in so many ways. Like, oh, my God. Anyway, I had a moment of fear then, too, because I was like, I don't remember any of this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's like, wait, oh, did I have my threesome?

[Kristin Davis]

I tried to talk her into it. Oh, my God. I was mortified. Thank God. I do not. But then. Poor Miranda.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. Poor Miranda. No one chooses her. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so adorable. I don't remember this at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. And I love. I really. I love how Cynthia played it through the episode.

[Kristin Davis]

So brilliant.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this. And I'm upset, and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's upsetting.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And she's got this therapist which, like, do we ever see this person again?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't think we do.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. He's an older man and he basically is like, are you asking to have a threesome with me? It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what a therapy office would look like in 1998 in Manhattan? Who knows?

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was probably whatever set we had.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That we could put up two flats and some books.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally, totally, totally.

[Tia Sircar]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

[Kristin Davis]

It's terrible, terrible dirt.

[Tia Sircar]

Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Kristin Davis]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Tia Sircar]

Former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.

[Kristin Davis]

It was my family's mystery.

[Tia Sircar]

But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keep secrets.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.

[Tia Sircar]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Tia Sircar]

I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Is this a good time? It's me, Dylan Mulvaney, and my dear friend Joe Locke from Heartstopper. And Agatha all along is my very first guest on my brand new podcast, the Dylan Hour. It's musical mayhem and it is going to be so much fun. I like a man. You like a man. What do I like, Joe?

[Kristin Davis]

You like a man too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

We often. There's quite similar. There's some cross pollination happening in here. Not like. No.

[Kristin Davis]

Have we?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No. No, not yet. Never say never. I cannot wait for all you girls, gays and they's to join me on this extremely special pink confection of a podcast. There is so much darkness in this world and what I think we could all use more of is a little joy. Listen to the Dylan hour on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Love ya.

[Jamie Petras]

September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album Behind Bars in just five hours.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, we're rolling. One, two, three, four.

[Jamie Petras]

I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.

[Kristin Davis]

The air to day break Eyes of.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Love was supposed to been followed up by another app album.

[Jamie Petras]

It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately second chances. Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Are your ears bored?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Are you looking for a new podcast.

[Kristin Davis]

That will make you laugh, learn and say yeah?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a mini series, totally nostalgic, A four part series.

[Cynthia Nixon]

About the Latinos who shaped pop culture.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

In the early 2000s.

[Kristin Davis]

It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s. My favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV Tres. You could turn on the TV, you see Thalia, you see JLo, Nina Sky, Evie Queen. All the girlies doing their things. All of the beauty reflected right back at us. It was everything. Tune in to locatora radio season 10.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Now that's what I call a podcast.

[Kristin Davis]

Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Kristin Davis]

You get your podcasts.

[Cheekies]

Hey, y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chill. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys and I know a lot of people are gonna attack me. Why are you gonna go visit your dad? Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know my mother and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that, like, yelling. I was like, no.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, oh.

[Cheekies]

And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheeky. Peace.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being together, I find out he is cheating on me, not only with women, but also with men. What should I do?

[Cheekies]

Okay, where do I start? That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year and I hope that you can join me, listen to Cheekies and Chill Season four as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

And then I really love that scene which she find we're out of order, but I don't care.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's what we're following. Her storyline.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. We're following Miranda. So when she finds the couple and they're like, no one really answers our ad. Who isn't? And they don't want to say it. Those actors are so great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They are so great.

[Kristin Davis]

They are so great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they're so excited to have Miranda.

[Kristin Davis]

They're so excited that it's Miranda. And Miranda look just radiant in every way because she's been chosen.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the way Cynthia walks off at the end with that kind of. She flaunts it with her shoulders. It's like owning it.

[Kristin Davis]

Powerful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, she was powerful from the get go.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She had to remind herself. Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

But, like, even when she's flummoxed, you know, like, her inner strength is so apparent.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And I love it so much. And I don't remember that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I always loved my Miranda. Oh.

[Kristin Davis]

Beyond.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which is why I was so upset when those quizzes would come out and everyone's like, I don't like Miranda. It's like you. But that's me. Like, I felt very connected.

[Kristin Davis]

Same now?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, no, thank God. Thank God.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank God. But that was a very hard.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's true. I mean, people also thought Charlotte was. They would say that I was boring and that I was a prude, which is hysterical. When you watch it back, you're like, hello.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Hello. You were not having half the sex that Charlotte was having.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I was definitely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I don't mean you. I mean one.

[Kristin Davis]

Nobody. But including myself.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We were working all the time.

[Kristin Davis]

We were big time working. And I never was that. You know, Charlotte was like, out there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah, she was doing it.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow. Anyway, back to Miranda. Love that storyline. Really, really love it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So fun to watch.

[Kristin Davis]

But now help me understand. At the dinner where we discuss it, when Charlotte's like, this guy wants to have a threesome. What should I do? And so Samantha's saying, it's great, but don't be involved. Be the guest star. And then Carrie's saying, don't do it if you don't want to do it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. And then being supportive and saying, it's a thing, but you don't. Don't feel compelled to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it. And her storyline is more about the emotional baggage of Big being married before and her not knowing it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Now, can we discuss Big a little bit?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Let's. Please, let's.

[Kristin Davis]

Because I, you know. And some of these things made me laugh because, you know, Charlotte was always pro big, as we know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I never questioned it. I feel that I also was pro big. I don't remember ever having a thought that wasn't pro Big. I look back at it now. And I'm like, why were we pro big? She is a mess.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, but. And this. I feel like I am like the original big defender.

[Kristin Davis]

Are you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do. Well, I'll tell you why. And because what we wanted to play was. And we've all had this person in our lives at some point, this relationship where it's very. The chemistry is there, you're drawn to this person, and they're just unknowable and ungettable enough to keep you going towards them.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, listen, you guys wrote that perfectly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. And Big, I think, had. He wanted to get closer to her at certain times, and he did. Right. And so I think what we did well was portray that kind of relate, where you've got this banter, you've got this kind of chemical desire to be with each other. It's not necessarily the healthiest, but it wasn't as unhealthy as I think people. It was funny. I was talking to my niece who's 24, and she said, oh, Big is just a toxic bachelor. And I was like, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that too, when I look.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Back, I guess maybe he was. And maybe I have a soft spot for the toxic bachelor. I mean, certainly at the time I was dating that kind of thing.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we all were.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think we were all playing normal.

[Kristin Davis]

For us, don't you think? Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it was like, dashing and ungettable. Like you could almost get him and then you couldn't. But it's funny, when Julie and Elisa came on, they were like, we don't get big. We don't get it. We don't understand it. We like Aiden. And I was like, this is great. This is why this works. Well, we can be in the writer's room having that discussion the same way the audience will feel and Carrie will feel and you all feel.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's good. That's helpful. That's helpful. So that was your goal, and you guys really, really did it. Because the other thing that I love about it, though, is that, you know, is very much from the female perspective. Right. Like, we are with Carrie. Right. So, you know, when Carrie's spinning, you know, I'm also spinning, like, what is going on with him? And sometimes his actions don't match his words. And she tries to get him to talk and he doesn't talk. Why doesn't he talk? Do you know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I mean, you're such a good. Like, Charlotte was a really good friend.

[Kristin Davis]

She still is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, she is she's there for these women at times where other people might not be.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I think that's true for all four, really, when you think about it. I mean, sometimes Miranda does actually say to Carrie, like, that dude is toxic. What are you doing? Why are you going back? Or whatever. You know, she's very.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She's more blunt.

[Kristin Davis]

She's like, I'm gonna tell her what no one else is gonna tell her. And then Samantha is so non judgmental. Do you know what I mean? In, you know, the best, most powerful way. Not like a lack of power. Like accepting in power. Like, I'm not gonna judge you for doing this. Exactly. You do you. I wanna do me. This is what I do. I'm gonna do it. I'm not gonna apologize, which is amazing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And then Charlotte, God love her, you know, but now that I'm looking back on it too, like, I don't know what I was thinking at the time other than that, you know, I wanna make this work and I wanna fit in, right? Like, which is also what I think Charlotte was thinking. Right? But me as an actor, right, Like, I'm like, I'm gonna try to pull this off. Because I didn't inside feel like I could pull off what they. The three of them, who seemed so powerful to me, you know, I didn't feel that powerful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And yet she was and is. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Really?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, later maybe, but not in that situation.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think, like, all of those characters, she went through an evolution. And I think she does find these moments later on where she stands up and says, this is wrong.

[Kristin Davis]

No, you're right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're right.

[Kristin Davis]

You're right. For sure. For sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It takes a while, though.

[Kristin Davis]

It takes a while. But I love the searching and I do think that that is really important. And there was a. Like, later on when she gets so didactic, right? And, like, Trey's it, you know, she can get lost in her fantasy, you know, which I think is obviously so relatable.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But my question in terms of Carrie and Big, because we've got Carrie, she's obviously so brilliant, so amazing. Got so much going on, right? But then, like, you know, even valley of the 20something guys, you know, she's just like, I don't know, I need to be kissed. You know, she goes, that weird hole.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In the wall bar.

[Kristin Davis]

You're just like, where are we filming? What is this?

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was for sure a hole in the wall bar is what I mean.

[Kristin Davis]

It's insane. Like, I don't even think those places exist. Anymore, right? And then she goes. I mean, who wouldn't want to kiss Timmy at the elephant? He's adorable, right? And then she goes. And then she wakes up and there's no toilet paper. And you know what happens? And then Big is still there. The thing that I do see about Big and definitely, like, the Justin Theroux character comes after that. And he's like, kind of ick, but he's Justin Theroux, so I kind of like it. But he's also kind of ick.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

But she's like, ah, he's got his arms around me. And you're very weird. And you went on a date with that woman. That's the episode before this. But then she ends up giving Big another chance every time, right? She tries to get him to communicate. He doesn't really communicate, but he also tries. Like, he shows up to the park in the middle of the night in the last episode. And then this time he just very blithely says, you know, yeah, I was married before. And you can see her just like, huh? Like, to her, this kind of stuff is super important. Information is very important. And the last episode, too, is when they go to that party and that girl kisses him is like, you've got my passport. And then the other guy introduces Carrie by another name. Oh, you must be Julia or whatever. And she's like, you know how. You know and we don't we. Big never says what he's actually doing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I will say this, though.

[Kristin Davis]

Tell me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was the 90s. It was a longish time ago now. And I think a lot has happened with how men communicate now.

[Kristin Davis]

You do?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I do. I think there's much more pressure. And I think men have risen. A lot of guys have risen to. Younger guys have risen to the occasion and know that they need to be communicative with women. But I would say back then, I didn't know that many men, certainly that I was dating or that I knew who would want to have a. Like, have a real conversation about the relationship.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because that would have been like, what. Why is you. Why do you want to talk? So, like, it was still a time where men saying less was sexy and not withholding.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Now we all learned that was withholding. But at the time, men weren't. You weren't having those kind of conversations.

[Kristin Davis]

I never had any of the thoughts that I'm having now. That. And so that helps explain that.

[Tia Sircar]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, I. I was just like, of course she would want to be with him because he has so much going On. And he's intelligent and successful. And she is intelligent and successful. And she could do the crossword puzzle, you know, that he's doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, there were certain things that I could definitely understand. Right. And obviously, the chemistry. Obviously. But I also feel like Sarah Jessica has chemistry with, like, every man that, you know, you guys put in front.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Of her, but he made her feel something different.

[Kristin Davis]

For sure, it was different.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She felt girly and she felt off kilter, which I think for some women like that.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a good point.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They like that because it makes them feel like, oh, this is different. I don't. Ooh, what is this?

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't want to be in charge all the time. I want this guy.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Now, that's not necessarily healthy.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, but that's a good point.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But she did end up marrying him.

[Kristin Davis]

So much later, after many chapters.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And they were. They also. I feel too, if I look at the. And I mean, we'll see as we go. Right? But as much. And this is what's so funny. Looking back at the first season, she tries so hard to get him to communicate. I mean, so hard. And he doesn't. Not. But he also doesn't fully communicate. Like, at the end of the episode before this, and she says, I just want to stand still with you. And he doesn't really answer her, but he puts his arm under and. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's what I think you have to look at, is he's not a talker. He's a doer.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And look, Aiden was there for her, talked to her, and it wasn't Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Cause he didn't really get her.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And I think you remember the engagement ring, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, yeah. I mean, that was such a great. That was a great episode and kind of a great thematically, like, oh, my God, you didn't get me. You've never gotten me.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And I do think in some ways, Big Goddard.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He just wasn't communicating.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. He wasn't. He wasn't skilled in that way. But he. He was a doer.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That's.

[Kristin Davis]

This is good, Jenny. This is me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm not saying anyone should be with a Mr. Pick. I'm just telling you our thought process.

[Kristin Davis]

And I mean, I do think it's important to think about the timing. And that's why it's interesting to do this rewatch now. Right. Because so many things have changed and so many things haven't changed. Right. So, like, even for myself, and obviously I was Much, much younger then. Right. So I never had any of these thoughts. Then I would read the script, I would just be like, of course she wants big, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

I never thought like, he's withholding. Never entered my mind. You know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't even think we used that word in the writer's room. I think we just knew that he was currently a little at arm's length with her. But she liked it. Yeah. And that's what we were. That's what we were playing.

[Kristin Davis]

That's important. That's important. Context. Thank you, Jenny. She's so welcome. I love it. Okay, now here we go. We've got montage of threesomes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. We also stopped doing montages sooner. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's so kind of funny how the different things that we did, you know, and I do remember that like production wise, that was a challenge because you had to get all these different people rounded up. You know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

And especially as time went on with the show and the show became more popular when the people who blessed them would come and do this, they were nervous. They were like, I'm on Sex and the City and I have one line and I have, have to get it right or I need to walk my dog from here to here. And you feel for them.

[Kristin Davis]

So, so funny. Okay. We have this very kind of funny storyline of Samantha sleeping with a married guy, which I also feel now would not really happen like this in a show.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Because it would not really be like, oh, haha, isn't that funny? Do you know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It would be like, that's gross.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And he's just talking about his wife just all the time, right off the bat, like, my wife won't do this. I mean, it's bizarre.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But she doesn't care.

[Kristin Davis]

No, she doesn't care at all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, you know, it's all fair game.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, it's super interesting. I mean, was there any pause in the writers room about Samantha in general?

[Cynthia Nixon]

About Samantha? No. I mean, not in any big way. I mean, sometimes we would talk about storylines that weren't her, even if they were wild. You know, she still had her, her morals and she still had her ego. But no, you know, we knew she was the, she was the id, Right. Like she was the one just going out there and, and doing it and owning it, which is.

[Kristin Davis]

And you guys were just like, we're doing it and we don't care what anyone says.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I mean, there was definitely. There was Pushback and blowback. Not. Not internally, but, you know, once the show started airing. And of course, everyone said, well, that's not a woman. That's a gay man. Right. So rude. Which is so rude. And so of the time as well. Right. Like, a woman who owns her sexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, this is a man and this is a gay man. Why is it a gay man?

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Why isn't it just a man, by the way? Rude on a bunch of levels.

[Kristin Davis]

So many levels.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But no, we knew she was the one we could rely on to go and enjoy life and make mistakes along the way because of it, you know, fall on her face because of it. But she. She wanted to enjoy everything that life.

[Kristin Davis]

Had to offer, which is amazing to think about it. It's amazing that there just aren't. I mean, even still now, it's not a character that you see a lot of. Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Now I think that character would be judged more like, in a weird way, it's the same. Right. Like, it would be like, oh, what a slut. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know. I don't know what the young people think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're not having as much sex as she did.

[Kristin Davis]

They're not.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're. This is what I hear.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I hear tell.

[Kristin Davis]

We need to find out. Can you guys come on the Instagram and tell me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, we will come on the Instagram. We will come on the machine and put it in there. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Because it is really interesting to think about. Like, on the one hand, I feel like at a certain point there was like, do what you're into. Feel free. But then I don't know if that really panned out. It.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'd like to think it made some changes. And I think certainly women own their sexuality more now.

[Kristin Davis]

Me, too.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I'm not sure that people are literally having as much sex, male or female.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, what happened with the apps? Wasn't the app. Weren't the app supposed to help you if that's what you wanted?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes, and I think they do.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But I don't think people are feeling so free. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Feeling so free.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Feeling so free or so. Yeah. This is something that we should investigate.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we should investigate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We should get a magnifying glass and walk around like her. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, how much sex are you having?

[Cynthia Nixon]

We have a question. How much sex are you having?

[Kristin Davis]

We have questions.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Write into Kristin. Let her know.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. Should we ask Esther Perel?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I love Esther Perel, too. Let's ask her.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You should have her on the show.

[Kristin Davis]

We should have her on the show.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We should ask her. Done.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. That would be amazing. Okay, cool. Let's keep going with our. With our rewatch. Okay. The therapy. We already touched on this. That guy's adorable. And also, it's just very funny to me that Miranda, out of all of us, is the one in therapy. Yeah, it's hysterical.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She was, you know, trying to figure it out. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

We all were. In our own way, we all were right. And encouraged.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Marie Jones, therapist. Therapist. Good or bad?

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly, exactly. I mean, and you know, in the beginning, Charlotte's. Maybe she, like, she just asked questions like, should I do this? Should I not do this?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Carrie did go to therapy, though, when she met Bon Jovi.

[Kristin Davis]

What?

[Cynthia Nixon]

You probably don't remember this episode. I wrote games People play.

[Kristin Davis]

Games people play.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She went. She met him in the waiting room of her therapist.

[Kristin Davis]

Why did she go to therapy? Therapy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She needed some therapy. She needed to talk some stuff through.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, for sure. I don't remember this.

[Cynthia Nixon]

This was season two.

[Kristin Davis]

And Jon Bon Jovi comes in season two.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We have some wild guest stars along the way.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember Jon Bon Jovi, but I would have said season six.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

What on earth. Oh, my God. I can't wait till we get to Atlantis. Morrison.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God. How about Alanis Morrison that I had so much fun working with? Like, how lucky was I?

[Kristin Davis]

I just remember coming to. To to watch that day, cuz Sarah was so nervous.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

And I was like. But I don't think I talked to her. I was too scared.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I was.

[Kristin Davis]

I was too scared. She was a very big deal for us.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Big deal.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, huge deal.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Tia Sircar]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

[Kristin Davis]

It's terrible, terrible dirt.

[Tia Sircar]

Yazoo clay eats everything. So things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Kristin Davis]

7,000 bodies out there or more.

[Tia Sircar]

All former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.

[Kristin Davis]

It was my family's mystery.

[Tia Sircar]

But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

[Kristin Davis]

Nobody talks about it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Nobody has any information.

[Tia Sircar]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Tia Sircar]

I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Is this a good time? It's me, Dylan Mulvaney and my dear friend Joe Locke from Heartstopper. And Agatha all along is my very first guest on my brand new podcast, the Dylan Hour. It's musical mayhem and it is going to be so much fun. I like a man, you like a man. What do I like? Joe?

[Kristin Davis]

You like a man too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

We often. There's quite similar. There's some cross pollination happening in here.

[Kristin Davis]

Not like.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No. Have we? No, no, not yet. Never say never. I cannot wait for all you girls gays and they's to join me on this extremely special pink confection of a podcast. There is so much darkness in this world and what I think we could all use more of is a little joy. Listen to the Dylan hour on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Love ya.

[Jamie Petras]

September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album Behind Bars in just five hours.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Okay, we're rolling. One, two, three, four.

[Jamie Petras]

I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.

[Kristin Davis]

The everyday break Eyes of Love was.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Supposed to have been followed up by another album.

[Jamie Petras]

It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately second chances. Listen to Soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall. Hi, I'm Tia Sircar. I'm Taylor Gray.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

And I'm John Lee Brody.

[Kristin Davis]

But you may also know us as as Harrison Dula, Spectre 2, Sabine Wren, Specter 5, and Ezra Bridger, Specter 6.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

From Star Wars Rebels.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Wait, I wasn't on Star Wars Rebels. Am I in the right place?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Each week we're going to rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like Steve bloom voices Zaborielio's Spectre 4, or Dante Bosco voices Jaquel and many others.

[Kristin Davis]

Sometimes we'll even have a lively debate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And we'll have plenty of other fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Surprises and trivia too.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Oh, and me. Well, I'm the lucky ghost cruise stowaway who gets to help moderate and guide the discussion each week. Kind of like how Kanan guided Ezra in the ways of the Force. You see what I did there?

[Kristin Davis]

Nicely done, John.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Thanks, Tia.

[Kristin Davis]

So hang on. Cause it's gonna be a fun ride.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Cue the music.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cheekies]

Hey, y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chill. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys, and I know a lot of people are going to attack me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Why?

[Cheekies]

Are you going to go visit your dad? Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm going to tell you guys right now. I know my mother, and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that, like, yelling. I was like, no.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, oh.

[Cheekies]

And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheap Cheekies.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being together, I find out he is cheating on me, not only with women, but also with men. What should I do?

[Cheekies]

Okay, where do I start? That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year, and I hope that you can join me, listen to Cheekies and Chill, Season 4 as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, let's talk about Big and the wife. The ex wife. Yeah, let's talk about this. Because it's super interesting to me, and I did not really remember this so much.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And it's something we, you know, we introduce it, and then we never bring her up again.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Which is kind of fascinating.

[Kristin Davis]

It's kind of nuts.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that also rewatching, I remember that not only did he not say he had an ex wife, but the ex wife doesn't tell Carrie that she knows that Carrie's dating Big.

[Kristin Davis]

There's a lot of secrecy, which was.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Really interesting because she seems so kind of open, and.

[Kristin Davis]

But she says to her at the lunch that they have after Carrie's pitched her book that she doesn't actually have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

She says, are you seeing anyone? And I did think that that actress, Noel, I believe is her name, played it so well because I thought, does she know?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Does she know? And she did, but she played it off. Now what do you think in terms of. My producers were like, why is Big still friends with his ex wife? And I was like, why wouldn't they be? Right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

They could be friends.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Also because he cheated on her. But he kind of is who he is in that way that we were talking about. Right. Like, I mean, it doesn't shock me. Especially because they say it was a long time ago. So that means like in his 20s or something. Right. And then she's so beautiful and accomplished. I mean, it makes so much sense in so many ways. Especially. Cause we know who's also gonna marry.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the hung. Yeah, just Special Olympics. Like, what can't she do?

[Kristin Davis]

And we know he's gonna marry another very beautiful brunette. You know what I mean? So it makes. It tracks.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right, right, tracks.

[Kristin Davis]

But I loved the interplay between Carrie and the ex wife in terms of they love each other, they hit it off, you know. And I love Carrie. I mean, she does kind of have like a. How to put it? It's like kind of manipulative. I don't know how to put it. But like it reminded me also in. And just like that, after Big has died. Sorry if I'm giving anything away to any.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You just did it. Sorry.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm pretty sure you know. But in case you don't later on, Big dies, but.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, spoiler alert. Terrible.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. We'll have to put like a spoiler alert. But do you remember when Carrie wants to go find Natasha, Big's other ex wife.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And secretly goes down there. We're all with her to support her.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

It reminded me so much of that. And it's so fascinating how specific the characters are. And I don't know if Michael Patrick was thinking back or not thinking back. Like, are they. Is it conscious decisions? Like, it's like when I sleep with that Hasidic Jewish artist.

[Cheekies]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What a precursor. It was a total precursor.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, but did we know that?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't think we thought of that as a precursor. Like I. I'd love to say we were that smart. That we were like, hey, no, I don't think. Let's bring it back around.

[Kristin Davis]

I just think the DNA. Yeah, it was there characters were like specific and Alive.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you know what I mean? And still are in a really odd way. Like, it's fascinating to me. Anyway, I loved this. This ex wife because I love the dynamic between the two women, Carrie and the ex wife. And then I love that when Carrie goes back to him and she doesn't really tell him, and he's like, what's wrong? Which is actually pretty insightful of him. Right. And then she says, you know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know.

[Kristin Davis]

And then he didn't know. She doesn't even say. He goes, I didn't say about my ex wife because it was a long time ago. And then she tries to get more info when he's, like, kind of halfway giving it, as he does. And then they get in bed and the ex wife is there and Carrie says her. Her voiceover about, you know, you're never.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Alone in the bed because there's always something that's been there before you.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Which is good writing, Jenny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, my God. Isn't that brilliant writing?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, it really is.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, you know what? It was a theme that worked really well because it really was about how when you're in your 30s, it's not your first relationship. It's not your first time at the rodeo. They're gonna be. People are coming with their baggage. And some of that baggage can be an ex wife or God knows what else. And you have to. There's always gonna be someone there before you. Not the first in.

[Kristin Davis]

No. And I mean, thank God. Really.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Thank God.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's a lot of work.

[Kristin Davis]

A lot of work.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But then there's a lot of work to d. You know, take all the.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, especially if they're not working on it. Yeah, I think that's the thing. But she doesn't really say that because, I mean, she's obviously. Carrie's also not. That worked out.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's what I was gonna say. I would argue, too. Maybe this is incendiary to say. I think Carrie is a little withholding herself. Like, I think with. With. With big. Like, I don't think she wants to show how much she's falling for him. I don't think she wants. I think she's. She's trying to be. I'm cool, I'm hip. I'm raiding this couple.

[Kristin Davis]

That's what I see her do in their first couple.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Like, she.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, Especially with the Justin Theroux character, you know, she doesn't. She sees him on this date, which I think totally doesn't make sense. I. I'm with Carrie on that, like, right. They've had this, like, incredible eight days together. She hasn't even talked to us, her friends. And then she. She goes out with us on the first night. She doesn't have him, and there he is with a woman. I would be way mad and very confused.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And confused.

[Kristin Davis]

But then he does his big thing, and she's like, okay, I'm going to a party. You know what I'm saying? And then she calls him from the party on the landline, which is also hysterical. And Justin Theron, she's like, he's wrapping his arms around me. I mean, she definitely plays the game.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. She had some learning to do as.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, of course, which I get. I mean, I get it in terms of. Of she's doing the best that she can do, you know, and she's obviously drawn to him and doesn't really know what else to do. She does try, you know, she'll try and he'll, like, evade. So then she does that. I get it. I get it. You know, what are you gonna do?

[Cynthia Nixon]

You know, you try your best.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, they are kind of well matched in that way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In that way. I think they are.

[Kristin Davis]

I get what you're saying.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And they grew together.

[Kristin Davis]

I get. Well, that's for sure.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Speaking of landlines, how about the floor flip phone that Ken the married guy has in that scene on Stream?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it's beyond. It's beyond.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, that was a big deal to have a flip phone.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think I had a flip phone then.

[Kristin Davis]

I 100% had a flip phone. And we were so proud of them.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, look at these. Big. They were the size of bricks.

[Kristin Davis]

They were massive. But it was.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But we had flip phones.

[Kristin Davis]

It was cool to own them.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, no, he Big has the corny phone. It's a joy every time he takes that thing out. Oh, my God. I can't believe it was so.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I mean, we never thought the show would be watched now. If we did, a lot of things might be different, but, I mean, how could we differently. We didn't have a time machine. No, we didn't know.

[Kristin Davis]

That's the joy. That's the great thing about film. And also just it gives a record of, like, this is what we were living with, you guys.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There was no texting. There was no sexting. There was no.

[Kristin Davis]

No, you had to go find a landline at the club.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's why people could miss Carrie's birthday altogether. That's true.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so true. Oh, my God. Yes. Okay, back to this thing. What am I supposed to talk about that. I haven't talked about. We didn't talk about the incredible Lisa Emery.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Lisa Emery. Unbelievable. She is such an amazing actress. Such amazing actress with that. I mean. And by the way, that's a very short. Like, she has very little to get across who she is and what she wants, and it's all there.

[Kristin Davis]

She does it so brilliantly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know she's gonna fight for her husband.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so true. She's. She's going to have a threesome with Samantha if that's what she has to do.

[Cynthia Nixon]

If it has to be.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember a few years later, we were still doing the show, and we ran into her Sin. And I ran into her downtown, and she's talking to us, but she had her regular blonde hair. And I was like, who's that person? And Cynthia was like, she was on the show. You don't remember? And I'm like, no, I don't remember. She had the red hair.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She was so red hair. So Miranda red, by the way.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting. And then when Ozark came out, of course, I had just such a joy watching her and getting her to really have just such an amazing and terrifying role.

[Cynthia Nixon]

A terrifying, terrifying role. And by the way, kind of terrifying as the wife, she was a little.

[Kristin Davis]

Terrified, but also sad.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sad.

[Kristin Davis]

She's so good. And I think she'd done a play with Sin by that time in between there. Anyway, she's been in our lives in a lovely way. One of those people where they're just such a great actor that you're glad that they get a part that they can actually, like, have you all their stuff. Yeah, totally. But it's so funny to see her back in the day with us in a red.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In a. With two flower hair color.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, but she really. She makes that whole thing live. But that husband, I'm just like, oh.

[Cynthia Nixon]

My God, he was the least interesting of any of them. I mean, they all should have just said, forget you. Let's go have coffee.

[Kristin Davis]

100%. Like, you're like, why does anyone want to fight with this dude? So sorry if I'm offending anybody. Right. Okay. Then we get to the Crazy Masquerade Ball. What on earth?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Wow. I mean, so much to unpack there.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't even know where to start.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Also, I like, it's a masquerade ball, but, like, really, they're just little masks that you pick up and put on your face. This was our budget. And you're just on a staircase.

[Kristin Davis]

There's a staircase. And then, like a weird coat Room that's very strange.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And again, then suddenly there's a little janky bedroom upstairs.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like, that's an awful.

[Kristin Davis]

Not have a budget. No. It's sad. But I'm gonna apparently have a threesome in that moment.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You are gonna have a threesome, and then you don't. And you do rewatching it. What you did in that moment is. I would like to say one of the first moments where I knew you could really do comedy was the moment where you sit down between them and they shove you slowly off the bed. Not only do you land on the floor, you make a decision to grab your mask and walk out.

[Kristin Davis]

It's not just.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's like, I. I have some dignity, and I am taking my mask and leaving.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm glad that that's how you perceive that. I am so confused when I was rewatching that, because, A, don't remember it right. B, what is actually happening? Like. Like, I don't understand exactly. Like, is it the idea that people say they want threesomes, but they really just want to have sex with someone else?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, that's what we were playing in that.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That is not. I'm not. No judgment on those who have threesomes. I don't know what they're thinking. But in that case, it was this gal comes up and then is kind of like, I want to get screwed by this guy.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Or. And I don't even know if it's that much. As much as she leans and start kissing him, it gets more. It gets stronger.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? And no one includes me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then suddenly, you are, in this case, Miranda, you are shoved to the.

[Kristin Davis]

Floor, which is just so Charlottely relatable, so funny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The way the choices you made to make was.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm like, are my shoes still on my feet? That's what I'm thinking when I'm watching.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Those are my shoes. So I can't.

[Kristin Davis]

And they actually were. Because I was like, how am I gonna get up? I'm thinking just as an actress. Because also, I think I was worried about my skirt pulling up. Jamie.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right? There's a lot going on.

[Kristin Davis]

Weird thoughts when I rewatched myself, right? Like, is my skirt gonna pull up? Are you gonna see my Spanx? Like, what's happening? Were Spanx invented yet? I'm not sure. I know. I don't even know, but I have pantyhose on. We. Pat had not eradicated the pantyhose yet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You like pantyhose.

[Kristin Davis]

Very funny. Because that's Coming. Like, there's certain things that I think about. It's the 90s. But like Pat, you know, I remember when Pat was like, no one will wear hoes. And we were like, what?

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's a very pat.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. It was close. It wasn't fully, but it was close. But I remember there was like strange elements, and this is probably something I shouldn't say. There were strange cult types type elements about being in that cast. Right, right. Where like, well, no scrunchies. Some rules. No scrunchies. No.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No banana clips. I'll never forget. I'll never. I still can't. When people wear banana clips.

[Kristin Davis]

I. I have one at home in my bathroom and every time I reach for.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you feel shame every time you reach for it, even though you're alone? And I put it up to wash.

[Kristin Davis]

My hair and I'm like, no banana clips. No one's going to see me. I'm in my bathroom. But also, like, like the little things and they come slowly. They weren't all in the beginning. Right. But like no scrunchies, no banana clips, no hoes. Unless they were fishnets. You went through a whole fishnet phase. And if you could find double fishnets, that was great.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That was great.

[Kristin Davis]

And if you could find nude double fishnets, even better.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Even better.

[Kristin Davis]

Right? And then there was a heel height situation, which it definitely takes me a while to get on board with, all the way to the Widower episode when she got me my first pair of like 105 millimeter Manolos. But it took that long for me to be able to like functionally walk in the things.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And guess what? I can't walk in now. All of those Manolos. All of them. Listen, I mean, bless all of us, we're still trying. We're doing it. But it is not easy now.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's true. But then they escalated after that to the so case. I just did a whole episode. Jenny and the so Kate's. Oh, my God. Why? Like, why, Like, I'm barely able to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Walk, but they, you know, they are. They're sexy shoes.

[Kristin Davis]

They are, but just not to walk.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Advanced age, right? No, but also I'm trying to do this crazy stunt. You'll see it. And just like that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, I'm looking forward to it.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm not a stunt. What? What, what?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Part of the problem is you can blame your co star, Ms. Sarah Jessica Barker, because she could run in those things.

[Kristin Davis]

She still can.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I know. She made it look so easy.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

No so that was the thing you were trying to live up to, Sarah Jessica. So the other rules were that you always had to return borrowed clothes. Because we were so worried once we did finally get anyone to lend us clothes for personal PR or for the show, if you didn't return, no one was gonna lend them again. And we really relied on that once we got it going.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So, like, I know other actors who are like, what do you mean? You know, just keep it. I'm like, no, you don't do that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You don't.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, there's other rules I can't think of right now. But, like, slowly, the rules and the. Oh, you only wore Cabela G strings. Right? Like, so many rules. Right. Don't we make a joke in one of these episodes about Miranda doesn't even want to wear a thong or something? I was like, oh, my God, Yes. Cozabellas had not taken over in the.

[Cynthia Nixon]

In the. In the coffee shop scene, right. She said, you can't be in a threesome. You won't even wear a thong. Exactly. And you know what's funny is hearing that again. I think thought. Were we even wearing thongs back? Yes, we were. Like, I guess the beginning of it. It was the beginning. Darren. Darren gave us all thongs. This is gonna come out wrong again. Oh, boy, I can't wait.

[Kristin Davis]

Do it, do it, do it.

[Cynthia Nixon]

One Christmas, Darren's star thong. Not Michael. He did not give Michael thong. But all the ladies, which were actually would have only been at that time, because I don't think it was this. It was season two. Cindy and I were gift gifted. Yeah. Cosabella thongs.

[Kristin Davis]

That was the thing, man.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You had to, you know, they were expensive. I mean, I.

[Kristin Davis]

They were.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I might have been La Perla. You know what's very expensive.

[Kristin Davis]

Very nice.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Very nice.

[Kristin Davis]

That's what we would wear. If we had, like a fancy, you know, lingerie. We'd try to get a La Perla bra.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, we could go down the list of, like, the approved brands and the not approved. And you know what I mean?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Like.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot, man. You couldn't wear, you know, you couldn't. Didn't matter how cold you were. There's not going to be a functional coat.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was eternal spring. It was eternal spring no matter what. And you gals went through it. I mean, that there's a couple of.

[Kristin Davis]

Nights so far where we're like.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you could see your.

[Kristin Davis]

You could see your breath, but you had to somehow make it work.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's before we could afford to take it out with cgi. You know, you're seeing people's breath and you're standing there in a cute sundress.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's so crazy. So crazy.

[Tia Sircar]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

[Kristin Davis]

It's terrible, terrible dirt.

[Tia Sircar]

Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Kristin Davis]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Tia Sircar]

Former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.

[Kristin Davis]

It was my family's mystery.

[Tia Sircar]

But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.

[Tia Sircar]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Tia Sircar]

I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Andrea yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Is this a good time? It's me, Dylan Mulvaney, and my dear friend Joe Locke from Heartstopper. And Agatha all along is my very first guest on my brand new podcast, the Dylan Hour. It's musical mayhem and it is going to be so much fun.

[Kristin Davis]

I like a man.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

You like a man. What do I like, Joe?

[Kristin Davis]

You like a man too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

We often. There's quite similar. There's some cross pollination happening in here. Not like. No.

[Kristin Davis]

Have we?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, no, not yet. Never say never. I cannot wait for all you girls, gays and they to join me on this extremely special pink confection of a podcast. There is so much darkness in this world, and what I think we could all use more of is a little joy. Listen to the Dylan hour on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Love ya.

[Jamie Petras]

September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their debut album, Behind Bars in just five hours.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, we're rolling.

[Jamie Petras]

I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business.

[Kristin Davis]

The end of Daybreak, Eyes of Love.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Was supposed to have been followed up by another Eye app.

[Jamie Petras]

It's a story about the liberating Power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to Soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall. Hi, I'm Tia Sircar. I'm Taylor Gray.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

And I'm John Lee Brody.

[Kristin Davis]

But you may also know us as as Harrison Dula's Specter 2, Sabine Wren, Specter 5, and Ezra Bridger, Specter 6.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

From Star Wars Rebels.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Wait, I wasn't on Star Wars Rebels. Am I in the right place?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Each week we're going to rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like Steve bloom voices Zaborillio Spectre 4, or Dante Bosco voices Jaquel and many others.

[Kristin Davis]

Sometimes we'll even have a lively debate.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And we'll have plenty of other fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Surprises and trivia, too.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Oh, and me, well, I'm the lucky ghost crew Stowaway, who gets to help moderate and guide the discussion each week. Kind of like how Kanan guided Ezra in the ways of the Force. You see what I did there?

[Kristin Davis]

Nicely done, John.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Thanks, Tia.

[Kristin Davis]

So hang on, cuz. It's going to be a fun ride.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Cue the music.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cheekies]

Hey, y'all, it's your girl, Cheekies. And I'm back with a brand new season of your favorite podcast, Cheekies and Chill. I'll be sharing even more personal stories with you guys, and I know a lot of people are gonna attack me. Why are you gonna go visit your dad? Your mom wouldn't be okay with it. I'm gonna tell you guys right now. I know my mother, and I know my mom had a very forgiving heart. That is my story on plastic surgery. This is my truth. I think the last time I cried like that was when I lost my mom like that. Like, yelling. I was like, no. I was like, oh. And I thought, what did I do wrong? And as always, you'll get my exclusive take on topics like love, personal growth, health, family ties, and more. And don't forget, I'll also be dishing out my best advice to you on episodes of Dear Cheap Cheekies.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being together, I find out he is cheating on me. Not only with women, but also with men. What should I do?

[Cheekies]

Okay, where do I Start. That's not love. He doesn't love you enough. Because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year, and I hope that you can join me, listen to Cheekies and Chill Season four as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

The weird things about acting, you know, I mean, it's the most incredible job in so many ways, and just weird, technical, practical things.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Sure.

[Kristin Davis]

Like you're up all night and you're having to somehow talk really fast and be funny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yes. And you're on camera.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

This is not off camera.

[Kristin Davis]

You are on camera and you're walking five blocks down the Village streets trying to walk and talk while people are shouting at you from cars.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Well, you know, Radio man is over here.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Steve, the paparazzi guy.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Is that his name? Steve?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. Don't say his last name. We still deal with him. Jenny. We just put Radio man in the show.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I saw. I love that.

[Kristin Davis]

And no one told me. Can I just tell you that no one told me that they had hired Radio man to act in our show.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They should tell you that, so you're not surprised.

[Kristin Davis]

So I come out, I'm acting in the scene, and I'm like, radio Man's in the shot. I stop acting. I'm like, wait, Radio Man's standing right here. Can't you guys see him? The camera's across the street. And they were like, he's supposed to.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Do you want to explain who Radio man is real quick?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yes, of course. Thank you, Jenny.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You're welcome.

[Kristin Davis]

Voice of the viewer. Radioman is a very sweet man who originally, back in the day, rode his bike all over Manhattan into the different boroughs and looked at all of the production notices. In New York, when you get a permit to shoot any kind of film or television show, they have to put up a production notice so people don't park on the street because we have to bring all of our equipment and trailers and whatnot, and theoretically even film on that street. Right. So there would be, like, our show. Cars, they call them. We bring in cars to put there so that we don't bump into someone's car or whatever. So Radioman would go all over town on his bike. I do not believe that he had a home. And he would make it his personal business to know where all the productions were going to be the next morning. And then he would come by and say hello. And when he came by to say hello, he would also tell you all the other productions filming that day and where they were.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And why did we call him Radio Man?

[Kristin Davis]

Because he also had a massive radio case. He had, like a boombox, we would call it that, that traveled with him on the bike.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And then he wore on it on a string around his head.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. He had it on a string. Yes. I don't think he does that anymore.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Well, he's older.

[Kristin Davis]

He's a little bit older. It's true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's true.

[Kristin Davis]

But the radio is in the shop of. And just like that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

But he has a grocery cart. We gave him a grocery cart. Because the bike. I don't think.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, I think he's.

[Kristin Davis]

You don't see him on his bike.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think he's aged that way.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. But we do still see him. I think possibly maybe he is in a better living situation now. We don't. He's not all the time there, which is actually good.

[Cynthia Nixon]

That's great.

[Kristin Davis]

A little older. Yeah. And he's a fixture. He's a New York City fixture. Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And that's where you have to love New York. That some things don't change so much changes.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It sounds like the beginning of a voiceover.

[Kristin Davis]

Ah, it does. I wonder which things change.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Everything in New York changes, but some things always stay the same.

[Kristin Davis]

So true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

There we were in the meatpacking district where it used to smell like meat. I mean, how about that? The opening of that episode where when the meat packing district changed and it really did.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it's nuts now.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Every time I go, I'm just like, what?

[Cynthia Nixon]

Brooklyn? I mean, now everyone lives in Brooklyn. No one lives in Brooklyn. No one believes me. That's one of those. The people are like, why did you have a storyline about how no one would visit Miranda in Brooklyn?

[Kristin Davis]

Can I tell you something funny? Second season of. And just like that, we're all in Airbnb. Well, I'm in Airbnbs now. Right. And not all of us, just me. And I rented one in Dumbo, and I was picturing Dumbo when we filmed there.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And I was like, what is this, Mom?

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's Disneyland.

[Kristin Davis]

There's lights that say Dumbo.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, I'm still in shock. I did not know. I was like, why don't you tell me where the warehouses? What happened?

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're back on our show.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

They're way back. You can watch our show and remember and see these things.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Okay, wait. The end Scene of Carrie and Big. Oh, and the wife is in the back.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And the wife is in the background.

[Kristin Davis]

I love that scene.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The specter of the wife. I love that scene too.

[Kristin Davis]

That scene's beautiful. And you know what I really love about that scene? It's on a village street, but we haven't seen her stoop yet.

[Cynthia Nixon]

No, we have not.

[Kristin Davis]

No. Which is super interesting.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was very confus. Where you all lived. And, I mean, I know we've. You know, we always talk about this, but this is one of those. Talk about lack of continuity. But, yeah, we're on the village street and it's the village the way I remember, like, the way the village was. And that street is still that way.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it still looks that way.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Except for a lot of people. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And they all have cupcakes. Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And buses.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And things like that. But that scene, for me, I loved. I loved how in some ways open Big was.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He's the one who says, we just went through this dinner and we talked like strangers. What's going on? Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Good point.

[Cynthia Nixon]

He calls her on it.

[Kristin Davis]

You're so right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

She would have just said, well, good night, and been annoyed. But he says, what's going on? And then she comes clean very quickly.

[Cheekies]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And he comes clean pretty quickly.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And makes a joke, which. An offhand joke about, you know, being friends with all his ex wives, but I do. And then they come back together, which I know might be infuriating to people now.

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't feel that way. No, no. I didn't feel that way. I felt more like. That's like saying, you know, these are my faults.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Which everyone's gonna have.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Right. Like, but I like you now. You're the one. Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

He was more. I felt like he was more present and the veil was dropped a little bit. I don't know if that's the right phrase to use for such a dude, but, you know, like, the. The wall was down a bit, and he seemed kind of more like making an effort and a little bit more vulnerable. And I love the ex wife being behind him and then disappearing.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And again, what a beautiful shot. Like, on network tv, you never could have done that moment where Nicole starts to walk away and then, you know, we come up on it and she keeps walking. It's like we're on it for a couple seconds longer than we need to be, and we just get to do that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It's really got to have that moment and not cut. Because you have a commercial.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right. Right. Yeah. I never think that's so true. I mean, it's funny because now, obviously, with streaming, the structure of television has gone our way. But it's hard, even for myself, to remember what the structure of TV proper was before us and before hbo.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was not that. It was not being able to spend that time.

[Kristin Davis]

And then we had just freedom.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. And to get, like, specific shots. Go tighten on her tree torns in this moment. And know we got to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And it's beautiful.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was. That's a beautiful. Well, Nicole, she did a great job directing that.

[Kristin Davis]

She really did a beautiful job.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But she all did a great job, too, everyone.

[Cheekies]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

It was a good episode.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It really was lovely.

[Kristin Davis]

What a great, great episode.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I was so lucky. I was so lucky to be able to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

So lucky. Yeah, I know. All of us were so lucky. And it's so beautiful to look back on. And for me, obviously, like I said, I mean, I really just remember feeling like the first season was like a master, because I think I felt a mess, you know, and just, like, trying so hard. Like, I was trying so hard to fit in. I was trying so hard to pull off these things and trying to figure out how Pat wanted to dress me and could I do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, so many actor anxieties, right? And, like, how is the sex being presented? And what were we doing? But it also. It was fun. And it was fun because we were together. And the relationship with all of us off camera was also growing because we were together going through this thing, and we knew that it was special. We didn't know what it was.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We didn't know what it was, but.

[Kristin Davis]

It was special experience.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And you say all these things, and what's amazing about you as a performer is it didn't come through that way, really. You might have been feeling that way, but what it became for Charlotte was just this desire to figure things out.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true. That's true. And I mean, some of it, too, I think. You know, like, you can't always really even separate yourself from the character you're playing, you know, and the experience that you have on a set. Because as much as you are, of course, a separate individual, you're working so hard to figure that character out. And. Because Charlotte was really very minimal in the beginning of the show. Right. And we had to find her all together. And Michael Patrick was like, I didn't know how I was gonna write for that character. I was like, oh, no, how am I gonna write for that character. And obviously he's done a bang up.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Job for 20 years. Turns out it figured it out.

[Kristin Davis]

But, you know, he. On the face of it, he didn't do it absolutely.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Because I actually think. And that's where I think I helped a little bit, was that was my world, that uprising I'd grow on the Upper east side. I knew Charlotte, I wasn't necessarily exactly the same. Jenny, I saved the day is really what I'm trying to say. I absolutely did not.

[Kristin Davis]

In my mind, not knowing this part, not putting those pieces together, that's the first time that her storyline makes sense to me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Oh, well, that's. I mean, maybe that was also just a bit of luck of the draw, But I do think I was able to shine a light on that world a little bit so that it didn't just feel like a satire.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Cause it could be. And we do satirize it in that episode to some extent. But she's not there to be satirized. She's living, breathing, with a set of rules that she thought would work for her that ultimately didn't for all the best reasons.

[Kristin Davis]

The rules were not that they weren't crazy. No, they were like, she's so open in a way that I didn't even remember. Like, I'm like, what am I gonna do? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, it's entertaining. It's entertaining and interesting to watch. But I do think you're right in that all the characters were much more formed than I even realized. You know what I'm saying? Like, you look back and you're like, oh, yeah, we are all there. We are.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We just. But none of us knew in some ways, like, they were there and sitting there at that coffee shop. You can see it. Yeah, they're all doing exactly they. You as these characters were all living those characters, animatedly living those characters. We wouldn't know for a little bit, right. Until we look back and go, there they were right.

[Kristin Davis]

It hadn't like, gelled hard where we were like, yes, this is what we. And this is how we're doing it. But it was coming. It's coming. Super interesting. Thank you for joining us, Jenny Bay.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So much fun.

[Kristin Davis]

You're a joy.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I could talk forever about that magic time.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm glad we're gonna have you back. You got so many episodes coming. Oh, my God. How are we gonna choose which ones to have you?

[Cynthia Nixon]

I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

What a joy, though, because you have, I mean, of course, incredible insights into what it was like to create the show.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It was such. I hope everyone gets the chance in their lives to be part of something from. From the beginning, to see something grow.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so hard.

[Cynthia Nixon]

So hard.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so rare, but so worth it. It is so worth it. But, I mean, sometimes, you know, you. You might. And I'm sure you might have had this experience, you know, you try stuff out in our business, right. Because, of course, we're just so, you know, lucky to be able to work in our business. Obviously, it's a hard business, and people can seem awesome and have great ideas, and you're like, this could be good. And then, no, it just doesn't work.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Not so much.

[Kristin Davis]

You don't know why. You know, I've had that since then. Never anything that I felt the way that I felt about us. You know what I'm saying? And it's hard. You also feel really bad. Like, you know that. Like, nothing's really gonna live up to it. I'm sorry for everybody I'm involved with but. Or have ever been involved with professionally, but you're hoping. You don't know, it could be fun in a different way or whatever.

[Cynthia Nixon]

It will always be. It'll be different, but it will never live up to what that was. And I think we all, in retrospect, really know that now.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah. I mean, I think living it, we even knew it.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we might know that.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We did.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Nixon]

But now you really know it.

[Kristin Davis]

Now we really, really know.

[Cynthia Nixon]

How lucky were we?

[Kristin Davis]

So lucky and still so lucky.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I was gonna say you get to still. I know Charlotte is in you.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. I know she's still kicking around there. It's awesome.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Having threesomes only in her mind at.

[Kristin Davis]

This point, but that would be fun. I don't know. You never know what Michael's gonna come up with.

[Cynthia Nixon]

You may not know. So get ready.

[Kristin Davis]

I think the kids are more likely to be having threesomes.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I think so. I think so.

[Kristin Davis]

And they don't have to deal with that. But that's okay. I mean, yeah, it is a dream. It's a dream in so many ways. And it's a dream to get to talk to our fans.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

On the podcast.

[Cynthia Nixon]

What a joy to get to hear from people and know that the show still lives on.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, right?

[Cynthia Nixon]

So thank you all for still watching. Yeah. Thank you to watching again. Again. And watching for the first time.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, absolutely. We love all of you guys, and.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We'Re sorry about the flip phones, but it's funny. But it's funny.

[Kristin Davis]

To look at. And even I think in the pilot there's an even bigger one. Like, it's hysterical. They start, there could be an evolution of phones that could be like a subplot of the whole series. The evolution of the phones.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

All right. Thank you, Jenny. Welcome to Pod of Rebellion, our new Star Wars Rebels Rewatch podcast. I'm Vanessa Marshall, voice of Harrison Duella, Spectre 2. I'm Tia Sirkar. Sabine Wren, Spectre 5.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

I'm Taylor Gray.

[Kristin Davis]

Ezra Bridger, Specter 6.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

And I'm Jon Librody, the Ghost Crew Stowaway moderator.

[Kristin Davis]

Each week we're gonna rewatch and discuss an episode from the series and share some fun behind the scenes stories.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Sometimes we'll be visited by special guests like St. Steve bloom voices Zabarelio Spectre 4 or Dante Bosco voices Jaquel and many others.

[Kristin Davis]

So hang on because it's gonna be a fun ride. Cue the music.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Listen to Potter Rebellion on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

Hey, y'all.

[Cynthia Nixon]

I'm Maria Fernanda Diaz. When you're Invisible is my love letter to the working class people and immigrants who shaped me. Season 2 shares stories about community and being underestimated.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

All the greatest changes have happened when.

[Kristin Davis]

A couple of people said, this sucks.

[Jennifer Coolidge]

Let'S do something about it.

[Tia Sircar]

We get paid to serve you, but.

[Cynthia Nixon]

We'Re made out of the same things.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It's rare to have black male teachers.

[Kristin Davis]

Sometimes I am the testament.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Listen to when youn're invisible on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jamie Petras]

45 years ago, a Virginia soul band called the Edge of Daybreak recorded their debut album Behind Bars. Record collectors consider it a masterpiece. The band's surviving members are long out of prison, but they say they have some unfinished business.

[Cynthia Nixon]

The Edge of Daybreak, Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another album.

[Jamie Petras]

Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

This is Mel Reid, LPGA tour winner and six time ladies European tour winner.

[Cynthia Nixon]

And Kyra K. Dixon, NBC Sports reporter.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And and we've got a new podcast, Quiet please.

[Cynthia Nixon]

With Mel and Kira.

[Tia Sircar]

We are bringing you spicy takes on.

[Kristin Davis]

Sports and pop culture, some interviews with incredible people who have figured out how.

[Cynthia Nixon]

To make golf their superpower, and I.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Heart winning sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kristin Davis]

Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I always had to be so good.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No one could ignore me.

[Cynthia Nixon]

Carve my path with data and drive.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But some people only see who I am on paper. The paper ceiling the limitations from degree screens to stereotypes that are holding back over 70 million stars workers skilled through alternative routes rather than a bachelor's degree.

[Jamie Petras]

It's time for skills to speak for themselves.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Find resources for breaking through [e-mail] brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council.