Tracie Thoms reveals details about portraying Andy's BFF in Devil Wears Prada (and the sequel) as she analyzes the friendships in Sex and the City... (S3 E5 "Ghost Town")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: Tracie Thoms reveals details about portraying Andy's BFF in Devil Wears Prada (and the sequel) as she analyzes the friendships in Sex and the City...

Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Tracie Thoms
Original Air Date: April 13, 2026
Episode Focus:
A deep-dive into Sex and the City’s Season 4, Episode 5 ("Ghost Town”) – exploring themes of friendship, heartbreak, and the lingering presence of exes – and a lively conversation about The Devil Wears Prada, including details about its sequel and behind-the-scenes insights.

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Episode Overview

Kristin Davis welcomes actress Tracie Thoms to discuss her role as Lily in The Devil Wears Prada and its upcoming sequel, and to analyze the evolving dynamics of female friendship as seen in both Sex and the City and The Devil Wears Prada. The conversation centers around SATC’s “Ghost Town” episode, examining relationships, nostalgia for early 2000s New York, and what it means to be “haunted” by your exes. The episode is rich with candid stories, laughter, and striking reflections on television, film, and what endures in women’s stories.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Tracie Thoms’ Connection to Sex and the City

• SATC’s Impact on Culture
  • Tracie admits she didn’t start watching the show until after its original run because she was in grad school at Juilliard, but Sex and the City’s influence was so pervasive, she felt a part of it anyway.
    • “I didn't start watching it until way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it.” – Tracie Thoms (05:16)
  • Discussion on the role of Cosmos, NYC nightlife, and how the show defined a generation’s approach to relationships and personal style.
• New York in the Early 2000s
  • Both reflect on 2001 as an incredibly vibrant, “Technicolor” summer—right before September 11 changed everything.
  • Kristin shares a vivid anecdote about changing her flight after a Village photo shoot and being in the air on 9/11.
    • “To me, when I think of that summer, it's like, in Technicolor...the glory before the fall.” – Kristin Davis (07:00)

2. Behind-the-Scenes: Acting and Friendship in Sex and the City

• Exploring Character Dynamics
  • Debate about the show’s distinctive “campy” energy and Samantha’s unapologetic sexuality, still subversive even decades later.
    • “I thought it was going to be more soapy. And less camp…Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh. Oh, this is the show.” – Tracie Thoms (09:34 & 09:45)
    • “Also think about now...really how rare that type of character is even now, 30 years later.” – Kristin Davis (10:29)
  • Iconic moments discussed—especially the emotional wedding scene (“Your face. We're all you as friends, you know") (10:59)
• The Magic of Great Collaborations
  • Kristin reveals how the famous library confrontation in the SATC movie was structured with secret direction and improv, leading to authentic, electric results.
    • “It worked out so perfect. But you never know, right? Like it's like magic when it works.” – Kristin Davis (12:08)
• Season 4’s Nuanced Growth
  • This season marks deeper exploration of characters’ growing pains, mature relationships, and realistic failings, like Samantha’s first attempt at a lesbian relationship.
    • “Everyone's going through growing pains in a more mature way, I think.” – Tracie Thoms (16:32)

3. “Ghost Town” – Haunted By Exes (Season 4, Ep 5)

(Core content covers ~[03:55] onward, episode analysis resumes at [46:17])

• Episode Recap
  • The episode’s themes of being “haunted”—by literal or emotional ghosts—are explored through Miranda’s paranoia, Carrie/Aidan’s tense bar reunion, and everyone’s run-ins with their romantic past.
    • “In this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny.” – Kristin Davis (46:18)
• Nostalgia and Realism
  • Discussion about how exes can “haunt” New Yorkers—avoiding blocks, neighborhoods, bars—with Tracie and Kristin both sharing personal anecdotes.
    • “Certain blocks can be [haunted], too, because you know where they walk and where they live, and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward.” – Kristin Davis (47:29)
• Carrie & Aidan’s Magnetic Reunion
  • Detailed play-by-play of Carrie and Aiden’s outside-the-bar chemistry, with Kristin noting how their tension is played perfectly by the actors:
    • “[Outside the bar,] he's smoking a cigar, she's got cake…he just kind of puts it in her mouth…he leaves without really showing his feelings...their chemistry is obviously very, very much in evidence.” – Kristin Davis (23:40)
• Samantha’s Not-So-Successful Lesbian Romance
  • Both hosts remark on how Samantha’s relationship with Maria is both a natural extension of her character and a source of comic discomfort—especially the bathtub scene:
    • “It's still hilarious. They're just in the tub. Let's talk. No. No one talk anymore.” – Tracy Thoms (17:13)
• Miranda’s Role as Truth-Teller
  • Tracie identifies as a “Charlotte/Miranda” blend in her friend group, highlighting Miranda’s practicality and honesty.
    • “Miranda's like the boss…She takes care of her girls, but she's also not afraid to tell the girls I'm messing up. Like, what are you doing?...She's a truth teller.” – Tracie Thoms (26:01, 26:25)

4. The Devil Wears Prada and the Sequel – Inside Scoop

• Tracie’s Experience Returning as Lily
  • Uncertainty around her return to the sequel, and relief at how naturally the storylines evolved.
    • “I wasn't sure, and I don't think the writer was sure either…all of a sudden it's like, okay, you're in it. It's like in a month and a half, I'm like, oh, my God.” – Tracie Thoms (27:09)
  • The enduring nature of female friendships—“After 20 years, you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend.” (27:41)
• Original Film Memories
  • Tracie and Kristin reminisce fondly about filming in NYC, the “big purse” scene at the Union Square coffee shop, and how Rent’s CD release coincided with shooting.
    • “We shot that on the day the soundtrack dropped for Rent...all this fun stuff around it.” – Tracie Thoms (29:37)
• Industry Reflections
  • Kristin speaks about initial doubts around female-led movies and how Prada’s success confounded expectations:
    • “Anytime that you're doing a female-driven movie, there's always so much doubt, which is so stupid. You know, it's just never-ending doubt in our business about female-led projects.” – Kristin Davis (28:16)

5. Costumes, Character & Real-World Fashion ([32:01] onward)

• Molly Rogers’ Genius Styling
  • Delight in styling trickery—turning a dress into a duster, Charlotte’s classic elegance vs. Carrie’s creative experimentation.
    • “She changes stuff up all the time…sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would style them is so completely boring…” – Kristin Davis (32:38)
• The Reality of Fashion Statements
  • The panel muses on how Carrie’s famously wild looks would play on the actual streets of NYC.
    • “Whatever outfit Carrie had on that day, I'm like, that's ridiculous…great for the show, but I try to think of it in real life.” – Tracie Thoms (33:02)
  • And a mini-deep-dive into why Carrie’s silhouette shifts in later seasons—a subtle historical homage most fans missed.

6. Interlude: Footwear After COVID ([41:18])

• Heels & The Pandemic
  • Unexpected effects of pandemic lockdown on wardrobes:
    • “After Covid…women weren't wearing heels. And it actually changes your shape of your foot…Your feet actually spread when you don't wear heels all the time.” – Tracie Thoms (41:20)
  • Both share horror stories and coping mechanisms for staying in high heels for long filming days.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I thought it was going to be more soapy. And less camp…Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh. Oh, this is the show.” – Tracie Thoms ([09:31-09:45])
• “It's so good as an actor to be part of something that works.” – Kristin Davis ([11:09])
• “What age and experience teaches us is that often big is not the one. No, it's the one after.” – Tracie Thoms ([13:58])
• “I was always happy when either I moved away or they moved away from New York...because in LA, you're in a car. But in New York, every block...can be haunted.” – Kristin Davis ([47:29])
• “After 20 years, you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend.” – Tracie Thoms ([27:41])

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• [03:55] – Introduction to “Ghost Town” episode & Alan Heinberg’s writing style
• [05:10] – Tracie’s first encounter with SATC & Juilliard years
• [07:00] – Early 2000s New York & 9/11 memories
• [09:31] – SATC’s blend of soap, camp, and honesty—unfiltered Samantha
• [10:59] – Discussing the iconic SATC movie wedding scene
• [13:01] – Carrie & Aidan’s reunion; handling exes
• [16:32] – Season 4’s mature character development
• [23:40] – Kristin’s “Hyundai Hot Take”: Aidan and Carrie, the cake scene
• [26:01-26:25] – Miranda as the truth-teller, and SATC “types” in real friend groups
• [27:09] – Devil Wears Prada 2: uncertainty and excitement about the sequel
• [29:37] – Behind-the-scenes on the original Prada, NYC stories
• [32:01] – Costuming, the hilarity of Carrie’s style, and real-world fashion sins
• [41:20] – The toll of high heels (and COVID) on actors’ feet
• [46:17] – Return to Ghost Town episode: Exes as “ghosts” in NYC
• [47:29] – How place and memory intertwine when haunted by relationships

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is warm, playful, and unguardedly personal—mixing sharp industry insight with the intimate tone of two friends revisiting pop culture history. As always, Kristin balances performer’s pride with humility, and Tracie’s combination of witty storytelling and candor makes the conversation both nostalgic and refreshingly honest.

Perfect for:
SATC fans, lovers of female friendship stories, NYC nostalgists, “Charlotte/Miranda” types, and anyone eager for the inside scoop on The Devil Wears Prada sequel.

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Further Listening

This episode is a two-parter—Kristin promises a continuation of this rich conversation with Tracie Thoms later in the week, delving even deeper into the “ghosts” of friendship, love, and sequels!

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Transcript

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[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

to know, are you a Charlot?

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. Great, you guys, it's exciting. We have Tracy Toms with us today. We are going to talk the Devil Wears Prada.

[Tracy Toms]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

We're also going to talk about Ghost Town. We are in season four. It's episode five. It's a cool and interesting episode written by Alan Heinberg, who, you might remember, wrote the episode in episode season three with the comic books. Oh, he was a new kind of different voice that came in. And we're going to get him on the podcast at some point, you guys, because he's an interesting story. Kind of a little bit of a departure that we fold in.

[Tracy Toms]

It really is a cool episode in that way. It's. It's not typical in how it follows the four of you. It's true. Right?

[Kristen Davis]

It has a bit of a different vibe. Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

It has, like, a little eerie vibe to it, which I appreciate.

[Kristen Davis]

It does. And I totally forgotten. I don't remember any of season four. I've told. Told our listeners before. I'm rewatching it, like, with totally fresh eyes. I remember kind of vague things about it, but then I'm like, wow, I'd forgotten about ghosts. It's cool.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, it's cool. Are there really ghosts?

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I think there are ghosts.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But is Miranda really hearing ghosts?

[Tracy Toms]

Is Miranda really hearing ghosts? I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think so.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. But it's fun.

[Podcast Host (Sino's Show)]

Hi.

[Kristen Davis]

There she is.

[Tracy Toms]

Thank you. Caffeine flying.

[Kristen Davis]

Yay.

[Podcast Host (Eating While Broke)]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. Yay.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay, so let me ask you your history with the show. Like, did you watch it originally when it was on?

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. And when it was on? I think I was in grad school when it was on and I had no time. I don't watch anything.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

I didn't start watching it until. Until, like, way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, I felt like. So, yeah, we're all drinking our Cosmos.

[Kristen Davis]

Wait, where'd you go?

[Tracy Toms]

I went to Juilliard. Yeah, of course. So you have no time.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. You had no time, but you were in New York.

[Tracy Toms]

It felt like we were all in it. We were all figuring out who we were.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yes.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, and, yes, the. The. Like I said, the Cosmos and the apple martinis were very.

[Kristen Davis]

The apple martinis happened a little later. But, yes, I remember because it was.

[Tracy Toms]

This is what. You know, this is what the girls drink.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, definitely. You had to drink the drink. I do know. I do know, fella. Sugar, you survived Juilliard. That's impressive.

[Tracy Toms]

I did. I did. I just hunkered down and got through it.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't know when you graduated, but do you know Ella Stiller?

[Tracy Toms]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

Ella Stiller's Ben's daughter, and she's on the Comeback. She had been on.

[Tracy Toms]

She's younger, though, right?

[Kristen Davis]

She's younger, yeah. She's. She's. She just graduated, like, maybe two years ago.

[Tracy Toms]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

No, but she had a lot to say about the Juilliard program.

[Tracy Toms]

It's a lot. And it was different, you know, in the 90s.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

Well, I was there from 97 and 2001.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Tracy Toms]

Is when I was there.

[Kristen Davis]

So you were there literally this. This aired 2001. So we were filming that spring and summer and airing. So you were literally, like, in it. In. At this time.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you remember that summer as being quite glorious? Because that's how I remember it. The summer of 2001.

[Tracy Toms]

That was the summer I graduated.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Toms]

So. Yeah. And of course, bad things happened.

[Kristen Davis]

Bad things happened and really changed everything. But to me, when I think of that summer, it's like, in Technicolor.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, it's beautiful. I would go, because I was doing a show and after school, Right after school in D.C. so I would go back up to New York and, like, Mondays and, like, audition for stuff and run around the city. And it was. It was really beautiful then. And it. And it really is so crazy that on that day, on September 11th is what we're talking about. It was so beautiful.

[Kristen Davis]

It was so beautiful. I was flying that day.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. So beautiful. Clear skies. Gorgeous day.

[Kristen Davis]

Blue sky. I know. Gorgeous weather. Yeah, gorgeous weather. I had done a photo shoot the day before in the Village on Jane Street.

[Tracy Toms]

Oh, wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Out on the street, on the cobblestones. Beautiful pictures. Beautiful day. I had changed my flight from the 10th to the 11th so I could do the photo shoot. It was the end of this season, Right. So it was like a big season. For us, third season had been like. We got nominated for an Emmy and all the different things. So we were doing a lot of press. And so I had changed my. We had wrapped the season. I had changed my flight home to the morning of the 11th at 9am with me and my big dog, my big golden retriever. We're on a plane. It didn't go well. No, it didn't go. Wow. Yeah, it was a big day. But it's interesting because it seemed to me like when you see movies, you know, like, not that it's like this fall of Rome, but like, you know, like the glory before the fall. That's how that summer felt. Like everything was extra.

[Tracy Toms]

Everything was extra. The world was full of possibility. You know, it was exciting for us because we just graduated. Of course, it was a time and the city was sexy.

[Kristen Davis]

It really was really sexy. It was a sexy time.

[Tracy Toms]

It was a really sexy city.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Tracy Toms]

At that time.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, it's so sad to think about. But it's also like the, you know, the. The. The cycles and the ebbs and the flows and, you know, then we did that episode that everyone thought that we had, that we were writing in response to 9 11, but we had really filmed it before.

[Tracy Toms]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But it's. And it was like, seasons change, you know, and it is true, like, the city will always be fine.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You can do anything to it. It will survive the people.

[Tracy Toms]

It is very resilient. Yeah. Yes, it is. I know the time after that was very strange and. Yeah. So the show that I was doing in D.C. is when I started watching the show.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Tracy Toms]

Right after that. Oh, that's nice.

[Kristen Davis]

Did you watch it from the beginning or did you?

[Tracy Toms]

I just kind of picked up wherever I was. And what did you think of it? It was so interesting because when I first saw it, I expected it to be a certain way.

[Kristen Davis]

Did you think it was going to be about shoes?

[Tracy Toms]

No. No, no.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Tracy Toms]

No, I thought it was going to be more soapy.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Tracy Toms]

And less camp.

[Kristen Davis]

Camp.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, a little bit, like, funny.

[Kristen Davis]

You feel like it's camp.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. I didn't. Well, Samantha's kind of camp. You know what I mean?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, she's kind of like, is this. Is this a clean show?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, you can say whatever you want.

[Tracy Toms]

Okay. Like, the episode I started was when she was naked on the rooftop swimming with a guy, and she's like, samantha, Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh. Oh, this is the show.

[Kristen Davis]

Next episod. Oh, I understand.

[Tracy Toms]

Shut up. And show me your dick. I was like, okay. Wow, great. I don't know what I thought it was going to be.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it. You thought it was going to be softer.

[Tracy Toms]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, more innuendo and less, like, real.

[Tracy Toms]

I mean, and I know it was about sex. Obviously it was about sex.

[Kristen Davis]

You thought it was soapy sex. Not like.

[Tracy Toms]

Not like in your face sex like that. I loved it. But I was like. It was shocking, and I was shocked that I was shocked. I was like, why am I shocked? Why did. What did I think it was gonna be?

[Kristen Davis]

Also think about now, like, because I was just thinking about Samantha in terms of her kind of, you know, lack of apology for any of it and really how rare that type of character is even now, 30 years later.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Thirty years?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. It's insane.

[Tracy Toms]

And it's like every. Every girlfriend group compares themselves to you guys. You know what I mean? In that moment and moment. I'm just picking up random moments right now. Cause this might have been in the movie, you know, the big iconic moment when big left her.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Tracy Toms]

And your face. We're all you as friends, you know,

[Kristen Davis]

and you're like, no, that was my job. Yeah, that was my job. I know.

[Tracy Toms]

Oh, that's got chills.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm glad thinking about it. It's so good as an actor to be a part of something that works.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, And Michael Patrick, who wrote and directed the movie and who is our executive producer and writer and director at this point in the show, that day that we were filming, we filmed for a long time in the library, outside the library. We shut down 40th street in between the two. It was a, you know, huge, huge thing. Right. And everyone was very nervous about, you know, the showdown at the cars when he does come. And we didn't have enough flower bouquets because we'd been shooting many days and they were starting to wilt. And, you know, the things that you start worrying about. Right. Because she had to hit him with the flowers. So we needed flowers to be able to hit with that. But the flying around the floor. Exactly. And they had fly. Right. So Michael set up numerous cameras all around, like on cranes. There was handheld. There was all the different things. And he basically said to me in private, like, your job is to get her back to the car and stop him from coming. Right. But I didn't know what he was going to do. Right. So I didn't know what he'd said to Chris. I didn't know what he'd said to Sin. Like, we all had our own Private direction. Right. And then because he decided to keep coming, I had. That was all ad libbed. Right. It worked out so perfect. But you never know, right? Like it's like magic when it works.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, and you're just so happy that it was coming out.

[Tracy Toms]

Everybody was so great. That moment was so hard to get right. I see. Because the anticipation of it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

After all those years.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally, totally. But it's fun to look back too because like sometimes those are the things that I remember and those are the things I think about. But as I'm re watching, there's so many different layers and moments for all these relationships. And to see Aiden and Carrie back in season four where they've been broken up and then he comes back and he's got the haircut and he's lost some weight.

[Tracy Toms]

So sparkly.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally sparkly.

[Tracy Toms]

Totally sparkly.

[Kristen Davis]

And that bar scene which apparently who am I? Charlotte really feels strongly about the turquoise jewelry, which I did not remember any of this. Like, it's all kind of entertaining. But then like Carrie, it's so sad. And you really want it to work out with them when you're watching them because they have great chemistry and you kind of forget about big. But also they have great chemistry. Like it's kind of amazing. And I give that credit to all the actors.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, yeah. You know, because most, most of us have a big. You know, I have a. Yeah, I have a big.

[Kristen Davis]

My big was nothing like that big though.

[Tracy Toms]

My big was like. Not like. Yeah, not like that. I mean big was like super successful and all, you know, came in and out. But just the one you think is the one.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, who's, who's not the one.

[Tracy Toms]

But it's the one who's like you're trying to catch him, you know, for years. Like, will they, won't they? You know what I mean? And you know, everybody has a big. Not everybody, but a lot of people have a big.

[Kristen Davis]

I think a lot of people.

[Tracy Toms]

But. But what age and experience teaches us is that often big is not the one. No, it's the one after.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely big usually. But that's Aiden or two.

[Tracy Toms]

That's Aiden exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

And then when I watch them in this particular iteration, I'm like, they need to be together. Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

And it's so interesting because you know, Carrie has. She's just dreading it and dreading it and dreading and going to the thing. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to the bar. I need you to come to the bar with me. I need you to come with me. You know, Miranda and Steve are so adorable.

[Kristen Davis]

So adorable.

[Tracy Toms]

And then he sees her and, like, nods at her and I'm like, it's back on. I mean, that's what it feels like.

[Kristen Davis]

100 is back on. But also. And we're jumping around. But it's fun when they go out in the back and they have that cake.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Ooh, that moment is so good.

[Tracy Toms]

Sparkly. It's like the sun came out.

[Kristen Davis]

But it's also very dark and sexy.

[Tracy Toms]

Very sexy. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And it's on our. I think our directors, Michael dp. Right. And it's so beautifully lit. Like, it's his visual. You know, storytelling is. Is really working.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

On all the. All the areas at that point. But also the acting is just so incredible. Like, that's mostly what I think. I also think about the writing when I. When I'm looking back. Because I am kind of experiencing these episodes as though for the first time. Cause I can't really remember, right. Like, I didn't even remember my own storyline. There are a lot of them.

[Tracy Toms]

It was a long time ago.

[Kristen Davis]

Sometimes I remember a lot and sometimes I don't. And I remember things like I remember filming in Burgdorf where we're laying in the beds.

[Tracy Toms]

I remember that.

[Kristen Davis]

Cause it was always really fun to go film in Barney's or Bergdorf because it's like, you know, a big deal. You know what I mean? And I remember Franny, such a great actress who played Bunny.

[Tracy Toms]

She's so wonderful, so great.

[Kristen Davis]

And I know for me, because she as a person was basically just the opposite Bunny. Like a fully different, very maternal, very caretaker, very funny and light, like totally opposite funny. And I know there's a scene where I'm with her in the store and she's being like, low grade, passive aggressive, you know, mean to me. And I feel like I could just see myself as an actor, like, just enjoying her so much, but then also trying to be Charlotte and be annoyed.

[Tracy Toms]

Those moments are crazy. You're like, I feel like I'm in the audience. I just bought a ticket and I'm just watching you act. Oh, you know, like. Like I'm just in the audience. Oh, right. I have to act with you. Right. I have to remind myself I have

[Kristen Davis]

to do things too. I'm enjoying her.

[Tracy Toms]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But then she's not. Right. Like, Charlotte's not. It's so interesting. But I love the. The we've got. I think this is one of the ones too and in general this season, all the storylines really work really well. Like, everyone's got a good storyline.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. And everyone's going through growing pains in a more mature way, I think.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

The season four.

[Kristen Davis]

So true.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, Samantha's trying to like, okay, now we're in a lesbian relationship. Great.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, but not.

[Tracy Toms]

But no. Shut up and show me your dick. Is now with a woman.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And it's not going great. It's not going to be. It's not going great because it's not

[Tracy Toms]

her energy at all. I mean, I understand that it would be interesting to explore if you're open to it. And it's kind of maternal sometimes or kind of like nurturing or. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But she didn't want that.

[Tracy Toms]

But she doesn't want that.

[Kristen Davis]

She doesn't want that.

[Tracy Toms]

She doesn't want it. She's supposed to.

[Kristen Davis]

It's not. It's like trying to put a square peg in your own hole. It's not working out.

[Tracy Toms]

It's still hilarious. They're just in the tub.

[Kristen Davis]

In the tub.

[Tracy Toms]

Let's talk. No. No one talk anymore.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean that I was. I was about to jump out of my skin watching that, you know?

[Tracy Toms]

I know. She's just like. Yeah. It's just like, how do you not know that your partner is not enjoying this?

[Kristen Davis]

Totally.

[Tracy Toms]

At all. Are you paying attention? Because she doesn't like this.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I agree. I agree. When I was watching it, I mean, I love the idea.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Of her. Her Saman trying something different. And what would be different? A woman would be totally. A significant relationship with a woman would be totally different. Not just a fling or whatever, but also, like, they go to the bar and all those different guys are hitting on Samantha. And Maria's just mad. I'm like, but didn't you know who.

[Tracy Toms]

You didn't know who she was.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

She's like, is that all I get? And then they're outside, he's smoking a cigar, which is so odd and interesting. And then she's got cake, but she drops her fork, which I felt like was just a mistake that happened, but maybe it was in the script. I don't know. It all seems so real and the thing that I love about it is that Carrie's so uncomfortable and obviously just kind of longing for him and feeling all her feelings. And he seems very covered, but yet their chemistry is still very much at play. But he's not really letting on how he feels, which is really interesting though. She's like, oh, how am I gonna eat my cake? And then he says, oh, I'll feed you your cake or something like that. And then she goes, oh, your fingers are all in it. And then he just kind of puts it in her mouth and then she's got frosting on her lip. But then Steve comes out and says that he has to go because they're gonna do their toast. So he leaves without really showing his feelings, you know, which I think is really interesting. But you as an audience, you're aware how much Carrie's feeling and their chemistry is obviously very, very much in evidence. So that's going to be my Hyundai. Hot take. Celebrating iconic moments, bold moves and unforgettable style. Just like Hyundai. So wait, if you jumped in the middle when you first started, did you ever go back and watch?

[Tracy Toms]

No, I always kind of jump in wherever.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Toms]

But when. And just like that came my partner and I religiously. Just like that.

[Kristen Davis]

And it made sense.

[Tracy Toms]

And it did.

[Kristen Davis]

Good.

[Tracy Toms]

It just makes. No, these women and they're so iconic. Like, you know the stories.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, yes, that's true. You may not know all the. Every single detail, but it doesn't really

[Tracy Toms]

matter who's with who and totally stuff like that, you know, I mean, care about the.

[Kristen Davis]

All the details.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. And I don't need it to be in order, you know, because.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Tracy Toms]

That's good to know because also, like, because it was such a huge part of our lexicon. I was very much clear in our friend group that I was you. I was absolutely you in my friend group that time. Now I'm more Miranda. But. Oh, I was like a mix between you and Miranda. Most people were like a mix of two.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, definitely.

[Tracy Toms]

Definitely Samantha. I just love Samantha and wish I could have been a Samantha. But totally not very traditional.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it's hard.

[Tracy Toms]

Monogamous, romantic girl.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Tracy Toms]

You know.

[Kristen Davis]

And why would you say you're more Miranda now?

[Tracy Toms]

Well, because Miranda's like the boss. I mean, she's like the. She takes care of Definitely business, you know, I mean, she just gets it done.

[Kristen Davis]

She does.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, I mean, she takes care of her girls, but she's also not afraid to tell the girls I'm messing up. Like, what are you doing?

[Kristen Davis]

You know, Definitely. It's great. Any one of those 100. I love watching her do that. Yeah. I didn't really realize till I was re. Watching it how often she tells us the truth.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, she's a she know. She's a truth teller. She's very logical.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

Non emotional.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, so in that way, I'm very much like her.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Tracy Toms]

Especially as I get older, I'm. None of this matters, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

And I have like young friends who are like in their 20s or whatever. You know.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right.

[Tracy Toms]

They're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is so not important. But I understand it's important to you now, right? In your mindset and where you are developmentally.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

But as a 50 year old, it doesn't matter.

[Kristen Davis]

Let's talk about the Devil wears Prada for a second. So, you know, Frankel is one of our directors.

[Tracy Toms]

I know.

[Kristen Davis]

How's he doing?

[Tracy Toms]

He's great.

[Kristen Davis]

Good. I'm so excited you guys made a second.

[Tracy Toms]

He's great. Yeah. And I didn't know for the longest time if I was coming back or not, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no, that's stress.

[Tracy Toms]

I didn't, you know, and I just had to let it go.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

Because, like, the friends are like, do we think she still has those friends?

[Kristen Davis]

Do we think if she does have those friends, I think that's a positive thing, guys. I think it's nice to still have those friends and to have that anchor line for a character.

[Tracy Toms]

But I wasn't sure, and I don't think the writer was sure either.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Tracy Toms]

So all of a sudden it's like, okay, you're in it. It's. It's like in a month and a

[Kristen Davis]

half, I'm like, oh, my God.

[Tracy Toms]

Okay, what am I doing?

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Tracy Toms]

Who is Lily now? You know?

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And did you like the answers?

[Tracy Toms]

I did.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I did.

[Tracy Toms]

And they made sense to me. You know what I mean? It's like, because after 20 years, you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend.

[Kristen Davis]

I would hope so.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, probably not still with your.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

But Nate is not there in the film. They broke up at the end of the movie. He moved to Boston.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

But, yeah, but this, the first time we did it, it was just, what are we doing? Oh, it's gonna be a cute rom com situation or something.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

And had no idea it would be the global sensation that it turned into.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank God it did. It was exciting to watch.

[Tracy Toms]

I really had no idea.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't think anyone ever knows. And I think anytime that you're doing a female driven movie, there' always so much doubt, which is so stupid. You know, it's just never ending doubt in our business about female led projects. I mean, Meryl's been out there talking about it, which I really love about, like, how low the expectations were, how they had trouble getting funding the first time, how they had trouble getting closed the first time, all the different things. Because no one ever thinks that we're going to do well.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And then you do well. And everyone's shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

[Tracy Toms]

But, you know, I mean, Anne, I guess, just was known for Princess Diaries. She was known for, like, doing more kid stuff, even though that. Kid stuff, you know.

[Podcast Host (Boys and Girls Podcast)]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

So this was a big deal for her. I remember being very stressful for her doing it the first time. She was like, oh, God, this is my. I'm an adult. You know? And it's interesting because, you know, Entourage was at the top of its fame at that time. So Adrian was the big star in the group.

[Kristen Davis]

No way.

[Tracy Toms]

Because Entourage was happening.

[Kristen Davis]

That's so crazy.

[Tracy Toms]

So he was the one with fans trying to come up to us all the time.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. Wow, wow.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, and Rhett had not come out yet.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Tracy Toms]

So I remember shooting the scene in the coffee shop. I missed the coffee shop in New York. Remember that place in Union Square?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. We shot in there. The big purse scene where I'm like, well, yes, you get this stuff. We shot that on the day the soundtrack dropped for Rent.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Tracy Toms]

So we're just sitting there and my manager brought me the cd. He was like. He went to Tower Records and got it. So it's all this, like, fun stuff around it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. When we were shooting it, these were good times.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

They were.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, it was that time.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. My kids are so forever. Like, they did Rent at my daughter's high school. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know Rent. And she was like, what do you mean? I said, I saw Rent on Broadway. I know Adina and Tay. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, you know, Walker School together.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

She's like, wait, they were in it?

[Kristen Davis]

I'm like, yes, baby.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. On Broadway, in the movie.

[Kristen Davis]

These are the people that we know. It's weird for them to make those leaps they actually care about. You know what I'm saying? It's interesting, but it's fun. It's fun to have that history. And I told her about going to get tickets and all the Rent heads being sleeping on the sidewalk. You had to leap over them to get to the box office or whatever. It was good times.

[Tracy Toms]

It was a good time. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, God. Jesse.

[Tracy Toms]

Jesse.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I love Jesse so much.

[Tracy Toms]

Jesse's one of the best human beings, isn't he? That Jesse Martin I've ever known. Jesse Martin.

[Kristen Davis]

I agree. Incredible person.

[Tracy Toms]

He'll just out of nowhere call me and just be like, tracy, I just wanna let you know that I love you and you're great. And I'm like, thanks, Jesse.

[Kristen Davis]

That's all. He's a Good. Like cheerleader, like, support. Absolutely. Absolutely. I remember we used to do the big Revlon run walk for breast cancer. And for some reason, he was always there. He was like a mainst. And I went every year and hosted it, and I would speak to the huge audience of people, survivors, and, you know, it was always very intense. And Jesse was always there. It was so wonderful. I don't know. I don't know. When I first met Jesse, Jesse was just always there and such a bright light. Such a light to see. Anyway, back to Devil's Wear product. So devil wears Prada 2 coming out very soon.

[Tracy Toms]

Very exciting.

[Kristen Davis]

Molly Rogers, our own Molly Rogers back in there getting all kind of comments on the clothes, you know.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Luckily, she's used to it.

[Tracy Toms]

She. Yeah, she's used to it. And just such a. I. You know, I mean, she'll put things together. And I'm like, how did you see that? What did.

[Kristen Davis]

What happened?

[Tracy Toms]

So I'm thinking this dress. So I had this dress I tried on.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Tracy Toms]

And it was really lovely, flowy dress. And she's like. And I was like, I love this dress, but it feels a little. And she like, this feels a little lady.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh.

[Tracy Toms]

And I said, it does it. That's exactly what it feels like. It was a little lady. Okay, what if we wear it as a jacket? Oh, I said, like a duster. So dress as duster instead of late. It dresses lady.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

And I'm like, yeah. I said, let me put on some funky pants and like a. Like a tank top and the dress open.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

Such a cool look.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, definitely. She changes stuff up all the time. Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of Charlotte's clothes, and sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would style them is so completely boring to. However she would be getting it all together. And thank God. Right. So that I can just incorporate some of it into, you know, how I look. Which is less exciting than how Charlotte looks.

[Tracy Toms]

Well, you know, you can't dress like that all the time. No, because a lot of times it's just. I mean, every time, sometimes I would watch it, and whatever outfit Carrie had on that day, I'm like, that's ridiculous. A big thing you have on your head or the thing. It's so great for the show, but I try to think of it in real life. If I saw someone walking down the street.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Tracy Toms]

New York. You do more.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, you do.

[Tracy Toms]

But I will be like, oh, it would be a thing.

[Kristen Davis]

For sure. For sure. For sure. I would notice it Sarah says, and I get this, that, that, you know, Carrie's a creative person. Right. She's a writer. And so her way that she's expressing herself just on a regular daily basis is through her outfits.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, right.

[Kristen Davis]

And I think if you, if you think it does make sense. And Sarah doesn't dress like that, obviously. You know, I mean, she dresses up when she has to, but like her regular thing. But she has like a uniform. She's very uniform and then. But Carrie's like the opposite of that, you know, so she's a character.

[Tracy Toms]

It always looks good, but it's like, it's a lot. If I saw it in life, I would be staring at her. And no one stares at her in the show. She just walks down the street.

[Kristen Davis]

That's a good point, though I do think when she wore that really big hat and then just like that, I do think people were actually staring at her in Washington Square park, which is kind of funny because in Washington Square park there's a lot going on.

[Tracy Toms]

It was, but that hat was, it was, that hat was wild.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

Did you realize. So this is the final season right. Where she's moved into.

[Tracy Toms]

I didn't see this last season.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, okay.

[Tracy Toms]

Okay. I'm not all the way caught up.

[Kristen Davis]

Let me explain that.

[Tracy Toms]

Season one.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it. Okay, so let me explain what happens, just the gist of it, because I still think that people don't know, and Molly and I have talked about it on this podcast, but I still think that it doesn't necessarily. People don't realize this. So Carrie moves in to a brownstone in Gramercy park from the 1860s, basically. And she ends up writing a historical fiction type of a novel of a woman who would have lived there in her mind. Right. She starts having kind of, like, fantasies of this woman who lived in that house back originally.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And she starts dressing in ways that are influenced by that time period.

[Tracy Toms]

Season two.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Season three.

[Tracy Toms]

Season three.

[Kristen Davis]

This is why she wears that hat. And she ends up having dresses with subtle bustles.

[Tracy Toms]

Okay. Under this makes sense.

[Kristen Davis]

It's never said.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

It's just how genius Sarah Jessica and Molly are at putting in details slowly. So, like, as the season goes on, her. What do you call the word of, like, how you're. Oh, it's gonna come to me. Your shape of the dress, your silhouette.

[Tracy Toms]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Her silhouette. Thank you so much.

[Tracy Toms]

Good one.

[Kristen Davis]

Her silhouette subtly starts to shift as the season goes on.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And sometimes if you're just seeing pictures, you don't have any idea. Right. Do what? I mean, why is she wearing that? Right. And I mean, the bonnet is vague. Okay. No, no, no. Not trying to say it's not. But there was a reason.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. It is a reason. I think what's also really fun about

[Kristen Davis]

it, it's really fun.

[Tracy Toms]

Sarah could just wear these clothes. Just wore them. Like it was completely normal. Exactly. And it's like. So you buy it? It's like. Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Tracy Toms]

I mean, just to. Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, there are women in New York.

[Tracy Toms]

There are women who do. I know. I have friends who do.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. It's interesting.

[Tracy Toms]

I'm, like, always on a heel. Like, always on a heel.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. I don't do it. Right.

[Tracy Toms]

You know, a lot of people can't do it after Covid. Can't wear heels anymore. After Covid. After Covid. Because. Not because they had Covid. Okay. But because we were on lockdown for so long that women weren't wearing heels.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Tracy Toms]

And it actually changes your shape of your foot.

[Kristen Davis]

It's true.

[Tracy Toms]

If you walk on a bare. Bare feet.

[Kristen Davis]

Listen, I would. I would work, and then we would not work, and then we would have to go back to work and be in those shoes for 18 hours a day. And I would have a whole foot prep workout with a tennis ball.

[Tracy Toms]

Oh, wow.

[Kristen Davis]

To get the feet back. Yeah. You have to walk around on your toes. You have to get used to it, or else you're in a lot of pain.

[Tracy Toms]

You're in a lot of pain.

[Kristen Davis]

So I guess.

[Tracy Toms]

And this girl I follow, she's a blogger. Her name was Lovey. She's great. Had a whole big shoe collection. And after co. But she was like, I need to talk about this.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Tracy Toms]

I cannot wear my shoes.

[Kristen Davis]

She got rid of her shoes.

[Tracy Toms]

I can't wear them anymore. What happened? And then a podiatrist jumped in and was like, this is what's happening. You're not making it up. Your feet actually spread when you don't wear heels all the time. If you go months without. If you're wearing heels all the time and you go months without wearing them, you're. The shape of your feet changes. So she had to sell all her shoes.

[Kristen Davis]

I need a podiatrist to look at my feet.

[Tracy Toms]

She's a sneaker head now. Yeah. She's like, I'm doing sneakers now. I'm selling my shoes. But it was fantastic. It was so enlightening. So now when I have a vent or something like that, you know, I mean, because you always want to wear a heel.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

It's. There's a moment. There's a. Yeah. It was like. Like a minute where it's like, I'm fine. I'm not fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine, not fine.

[Kristen Davis]

I've had those moments.

[Tracy Toms]

Saw my feet off.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Tracy Toms]

Call the car.

[Kristen Davis]

I have had those moments, too.

[Tracy Toms]

It's gonna cry. And they get numb after a while.

[Kristen Davis]

That's horrible. I hate that. I hate that. Are you gonna go out and do the.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

All the stuff in the premiere?

[Tracy Toms]

I'm in the premiere.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Cool.

[Kristen Davis]

In New York. Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

And I'm doing things like this, talking, fantastic.

[Kristen Davis]

We're so happy to have you. How do you feel? Do you feel like people are gonna. Like the storylines and everything?

[Tracy Toms]

I think so.

[Kristen Davis]

I think people are excited.

[Tracy Toms]

It really makes sense. Sense. Like a friend of mine who's really good at, like, writing stories. I said, what do you think the story is? What do you think would make sense? And it was almost exactly what they said. Well, I think there's probably. This is happening. That's really close. Cool. So it just said to me that it. It really does make sense and logical sense what will be happening good with these.

[Kristen Davis]

I just love to see the anticipation and the appetite because you need more movies like these. And I do think it can open and be a theatrical experience, which now the whole thing is like, is it worthy of going to the movie theater? And yes. The answer is yes.

[Tracy Toms]

We need to support, like, everybody's wearing shoes tickets already.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Tracy Toms]

There's a little pan bag that's popcorn. It holds a popcorn.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. No. That is adorable. What?

[Tracy Toms]

It's like the promotional thing. I know. It's amc. No, Disney.

[Kristen Davis]

We need to investigate.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

There's a little handbag.

[Tracy Toms]

It's a little red handbag for the popcorn.

[Kristen Davis]

This is a great idea.

[Tracy Toms]

I know. I'm like, this is real. There's keychains. You get. No way.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you, Easton. That's so cute. We love it. We love it.

[Tracy Toms]

I need to get one and do the gimme, gimme with that.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, 100. I want one too. We need to go to the AMC to see the Devil Rush Prada too, so that we can get ourselves a popcorn handbag.

[Tracy Toms]

Popcorn handbag.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm down with it. Okay.

[Tracy Toms]

It's such a good idea. I'm like, right, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Gosh, we should have come up with that idea. But I'm glad. I'm glad that it's for you guys. I'm very excited. I'm super supportive of this film and I can't wait to see it.

[Tracy Toms]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm very, very happy.

[Tracy Toms]

I can't wa see it either. I think it's going to be fun. And it's a cast of thousands.

[Kristen Davis]

That's okay.

[Tracy Toms]

So many people in the movie.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, they kept adding people.

[Tracy Toms]

So many amazing people. I know. In the movie, different people would show up.

[Kristen Davis]

Molly would be like, I know. I just had the feeling.

[Tracy Toms]

I know. But it was really weird being there in the table reads because there we were. Everyone's nervous.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

I thought it was just me. You know, Meryl's nervous, You know, I mean, and she's like, oh, I didn't get the script downloaded last night. You know, so she's going to that thing and. And it's like, I can't eat anything. I just can't. I just can't. My stomach's still upset and, you know, and Emily's there, like, just, you know, we're looking at each other like it's been 20 years. And look at us. And day one of shooting, the first day of shooting, the first shot was me and Anne.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, right.

[Tracy Toms]

Day one where they're like, here we go. You know, and the camera guys are the same.

[Kristen Davis]

No way. Yeah.

[Tracy Toms]

Like, the whole crew's the same. Oh, that's nice. It was really amazing.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

I'm so glad.

[Kristen Davis]

That's so nice. That's so nice. When we went back to work, we did not have the same camera crew because everyone is a very big deal now, which is good for them because they deserve to be because they did incredible work. But I was like, wait. I thought they would all come back naive me, you know?

[Tracy Toms]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, but we had. We had a great. We had a great crew who came back, who came up. You know what I mean?

[Tracy Toms]

It's amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

There's a lot of incredible people out there who do our job. Thank God. All right, let's talk about the show.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

So here we are.

[Kristen Davis]

We're back. Back with our show, Ghost Town. So in this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny. And I'd forgotten all about it, but she's in bed alone with her cats, and she said to the girls the next day that her cat, Fatty is the cat's name, which I'd also forgotten. Heard the ghost as well.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. And looked up.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. The cat's all, like, looking around. And then she says she tells the girls later that she got the super to let her in upstair and that no one's living there.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah, no.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And they kind of play slightly eerie music, and it's like a whole different vibe for our show. And I really enjoyed it, but I also didn't remember it. So I was like, what? What is going to happen? Yeah. But it's really just about the emotional memory of the exes, I think.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah. Yeah. And. And it really does feel like you're haunted by your ghost, by your ex, feel that way, you know, when you. I remember all feeling haunted by. By my exes in the past. Like, I wouldn't go to certain places. I was so afraid that they were gonna be there.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host]

Well, in New York especially, it was

[Tracy Toms]

gonna remind me of the time when we were there together.

[Kristen Davis]

Of course.

[Tracy Toms]

So a couple restaurants were haunted for me for a while, and I finally had to, like, exercise them and Go.

[Kristen Davis]

Certain blocks can be, too, because you know where they walk and where they live, and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward. I hate that.

[Tracy Toms]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I was always happy when either I moved away or they moved away from New York, you know, because, like, in la, you'. Car. So you don't have exactly the same worry. You might have a restaurant worry. Right. But you don't have the block. The neighborhood that you have in New

[Tracy Toms]

York, from the subway, every day together.

[Kristen Davis]

Totally. So stressful. So stressful. There was this one Brooklyn neighborhood that I always had back in the olden days. Pre show, I dated someone who had a brownstone, I guess, or part of a brownstone in this one neighborhood in Brooklyn. And I didn't know Brooklyn at all. I had no reason to go to Brooklyn back there in the olden days. But this was. It was really nice. And I was like, wow, this is very nice. You know, my naive self. This would be like 1990, maybe. And then later on when we were doing it, just like that, my kids and I went and lived in Brooklyn. And I was like, is he here?

[Tracy Toms]

Right? Am I going to run into a couple weeks?

[Kristen Davis]

For me, he's long gone. Okay. He's moved. Do you know what I mean? Intellectually, I know this, but you just really feel like they're around the corner. Corner.

[Tracy Toms]

They're going to turn the corner, and they're going to be staying right there.

[Kristen Davis]

It's going to be horrible.

[Tracy Toms]

It's going to be horrible. And you're going to be like, you know, and it's. It's. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

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