Up and Coming with Mireille Enos (S2 E15 "Shortcomings")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte? – “Up and Coming with Mireille Enos”

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte? | Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode: S2E15 “Shortcomings”
Date: September 25, 2025

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode of Are You A Charlotte? dives into Sex and the City Season 2, Episode 15, titled "Shortcomings." Host Kristin Davis is joined by special guest Mireille Enos. Together, they rewatch and reflect on the themes of love, family dynamics, sexual honesty, and the evolution of women’s roles in society and on television. The discussion focuses on behind-the-scenes stories, nuanced character portrayals, and the episode’s enduring relevance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Writers and Character Evolution (03:15–05:27)

• The Importance of Writers:
  Both hosts express gratitude for the talented writers behind Sex and the City, highlighting how character depth emerged over time.
  • “Writers are everything. If it’s not there on the page, there’s nothing you can do.” —Kristin Davis (03:50)
• Charlotte’s Development:
  Kristin reflects on Charlotte’s initial lack of material:
  • “In the beginning of the show, Charlotte wasn’t really on the page...I was just like, oh, what am I? What am I doing?.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (03:56)
  • Michael Patrick King’s influence helped Charlotte become more fully realized, especially due to writers with real experience of Upper East Side life.

2. The Changing Narrative for Women (05:27–06:46)

• Societal Expectations in the 90s:
  The hosts discuss how the show mirrored and challenged the assumption that marriage and family were every woman’s ultimate goal.
  • “The assumption before those conversations started was that is the goal... at some point you’re gonna lay down your career to do husband, children, all those other things.” —Kristin Davis (05:53)
• Single Women as a ‘Power Move’:
  They recall the Time magazine cover:
  • “At one point, they put the four of us on the cover of Time magazine and wrote, ‘Who needs a husband?’” —Sarah Jessica Parker (05:28)

3. Behind-the-Scenes Casting & Guest Stars (07:04–08:03)

• Jason Theroux’s Guest Appearance:
  The hosts reminisce about Justin Theroux’s guest-starring turn and the casting backstory, including the possibility of Matthew Broderick in the role.
  • “We were like, hey, Justin, come back and just cut your hair and put on some glasses.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (08:03)
  • They highlight the meta humor when Theroux returns as a different character with a changed look.

4. Episode Theme: Are You Dating the Person or the Family? (08:28–09:51)

• Carrie vs. the Family Dynamic:
  Carrie is charmed by her boyfriend’s family—intellect, warmth, quintessential New Yorkers.
  • “Are you dating the person or the family? Do you feel more strongly about the family than the person?” —Sarah Jessica Parker (08:29)
  • “The dad is a professor at Columbia. The mom is a writer. Documentarian.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (09:02)
• Valerie Harper’s Guest Role:
  Valerie Harper, as the mother, is called out for her iconic performance.

5. Charlotte’s Family Dynamics & Regression (14:37–17:50)

• Awkward Sibling Moments:
  Kristin describes Charlotte’s awkward interaction with her brother, regression into high school-like behavior, and the episode’s portrayal of “shortcomings,” both literal and figurative.
  • “It’s almost like a high school vibe...not Charlotte at her most mature at all.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (15:35)
  • “Sometimes we do kind of regress [with family].” —Kristin Davis (15:39)
• Memorable Scene: Samantha & Charlotte’s Brother:
  Samantha spends the night with Charlotte’s brother.
  • “Next thing you know, it’s the morning at my apartment, and I walk out and Samantha’s there without any pants on, trying to find coffee filters.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (16:14)
  • Charlotte’s sharp line: “She should be in the guidebook for New York because she’s open all the time.” —Charlotte (Sarah Jessica Parker recounting, 16:29)
• Resolution and Growth:
  Charlotte apologizes and brings muffins to Samantha.
  • “Luckily, then I make muffins for Samantha and go to her door, and she luckily forgives me.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (17:14)
  • Kim Cattrall’s ad-lib of smacking Charlotte on the butt is noted as a recurring, affectionate gesture from set.

6. The Carrie-Justin Relationship & Sexual Honesty (18:09–26:49)

• Premature Ejaculation Storyline:
  Carrie’s new romance crumbles when her boyfriend’s sexual problem (“premature ejaculation”) proves insurmountable.
  • “And then they start making out in Carrie’s kitchen. And then he, you know, ejaculates. I’m just gonna have to say it.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (18:41)
• Difficulty Communicating:
  Carrie tries to work through the problem, but Justin can’t talk about it and becomes angry.
  • “He seems mad, which is not good. That’s the main problem.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (20:19)
• Family Involvement Gone Too Far:
  Valerie Harper’s character tries to intervene in the couple’s sexual issue, underlining the theme of boundary-crossing familial closeness.
  • “It’s almost too close.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (22:33)
• Breaking Up With a Family:
  Carrie realizes she’s more attached to the family than the boyfriend.
  • “She realizes that she really has to break up with his mother. And that’s so sad.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (20:53)

7. Sexual Honesty & Women’s Conversation (27:00–29:07)

• Personal Reflections:
  The hosts briefly touch on their own experiences with sexual communication in relationships and the challenges of addressing delicate issues.
  • “As women, we want to facilitate people feeling good about themselves...maybe the fix comes in just making things nice, rather than going right to the problem.” —Kristin Davis (27:29)
  • “If you think about the show, it’s trying to take the lid off all of the different things and say, you can talk about it.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (28:56)
• Growth Through Talking:
  The show’s emphasis on communication as the only real solution:
  • “That’s the only way to try to solve anything.” —Sarah Jessica Parker (29:01)

8. Mireille Enos’s Current & Upcoming Work (34:13–36:49)

• For All Mankind:
  Mireille discusses joining the acclaimed Apple TV+ sci-fi show for Season 5, which spans decades and explores alternate space history.

  • “It's a great sci-fi show on Apple TV...I got to join in season five as one of the new main characters.” —Mireille Enos (35:24)

• American Hostage:
  Mireille stars in a limited series with Jon Hamm about a real-life hostage crisis involving a radio journalist.

  • “It's very interesting...the role of journalism and the role of us as citizens, like what our place is in just helping.” —Mireille Enos (36:36)

9. “Are You a Charlotte?” Identity Game (36:54–38:12)

• Which Character Are You?
  Mireille considers herself scrappier and more ambitious, relating most to Miranda but also pieces of Carrie.
  • “I think I'm just pieces...I'm a little bit, like, scattered, like Carrie. I'm a little...I think I like it.” —Mireille Enos (37:48)
• Women as Multifaceted:
  Kristin notes the value in seeing oneself in all four main characters, rejecting simple archetypes.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Writers are everything. If it’s not there on the page, there’s nothing you can do.”
  —Kristin Davis (03:50)

• “At one point, they put the four of us on the cover of Time magazine and wrote, ‘Who needs a husband?’”
  —Sarah Jessica Parker (05:28)

• “Are you dating the person or the family? Do you feel more strongly about the family than the person?”
  —Sarah Jessica Parker (08:29)

• “She should be in the guidebook for New York because she’s open all the time.”
  —Charlotte, recounted by Sarah Jessica Parker (16:29)

• “That’s the only way to try to solve anything. I try to tell my 7-year-old this...we gotta talk about the feelings.”
  —Sarah Jessica Parker (29:01)

• “All women can be everything. You can be also these other things.”
  —Sarah Jessica Parker (38:12)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:15–05:27| Writers and character development | | 05:27–06:46| Changing narratives for women | | 07:04–08:03| Behind-the-scenes guest star stories | | 08:28–09:51| The 'dating the family' episode theme | | 14:37–17:50| Charlotte's family dynamics; the Samantha scene | | 18:09–26:49| Carrie’s relationship arc and sexual honesty | | 27:00–29:07| Communication in relationships; personal reflections | | 34:13–36:49| Mireille Enos’s new roles: For All Mankind, American Hostage | | 36:54–38:12| “Are You a Charlotte?” self-identification game |

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers an insightful and humorous look at how Sex and the City pushed boundaries, both on- and off-screen, by exploring themes that remain relevant—female friendship, social expectations, sexual honesty, and family entanglements. The chemistry and candidness between Kristin Davis and Mireille Enos, complemented by personal anecdotes, make this a rich and relatable discussion for both fans of the show and new listeners alike.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to are you a Charlotte? Part 2. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. All right, let's go back. Let's go back to this episode. But it is fun. One of the things that. Which is so obvious, obviously, but I'm just going to name it. One of the things that is joyful about rewatching this is that. Because we all know things that happen. Yes, you can go back, but we all have this vocabulary, which is kind of amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And, you know, due to our writers. Writers are so important.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Oh, my goodness. Writers are everything. If it's not there on the page, there's nothing you can do.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. I mean, in the beginning of the show, Charlotte wasn't really on the page. And I really stressed, you know, quietly, because I didn't want to complain. Right. Like, I would just be like, oh, what am I? What am I doing right? And you're trying to bring so much. You're trying to bring subtext to, like, nothing that's really there. And then luckily, as it went, because also we were based on a column and a paper that was about gossip in New York, right? So, like, all of them had to be kind of fleshed out and deepened out. And obviously Carrie changed in her own way from the true Candice Bushnell. You know, they deviated pretty significantly. But I think for Charlotte, you know, until we kind of added some of our writers, and Jenny had grown up on the Upper east side and kind of knew that life. And Michael Patrick took some time. Like he said to me when he came on the show, which was first season, Darren brought him on to write. He said, I looked at your character, and I was like, I don't know what to write for. And then over time, of course, he was. It came to him and he saw me and her and the world and, you know, thank God. Thank you, Michael. Thank God it came to him. But it is interesting to look back sometimes. And I also think for myself, and you were younger than me, but the vibe still in the 90s in New York was that not necessarily like the Charlotte version of, like, Married with Children, but like, you were looking to get. Get coupled up. It wasn't necessarily clear yet that this kind of growing contingency of single women.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Were going to be like, A power move or whatever. I don't know how to put it. But, you know, like, at a certain point in the 2000s, there would be. Like, at one point, they put the four of us on the COVID of Time magazine and they wrote, who needs a husband? Wow. I have it hanging in my closet. It makes me laugh.

[Kristen Davis]

That's amazing.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. And remember Ally McBeal.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Like that. There were a lot of kind of conversation around that.

[Kristen Davis]

Because the assumption before those conversations started was that is the goal. Even if you also work or whatever. Like, at some point you're gonna lay down your career to do husband, children, all those other things.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yep. It's so interesting to think about, but I see it in so many weird details when you look back at the shows. Like Miranda, I never thought of her, but the episode a couple of episodes ago was the Chicken Dance, where there's a wedding of her interior designer meets this guy that she has coming from London to visit. It's a long story. She has hopes for the guy, but then they fall in love at first sight and get married. And she reads the poem. Carrie reads the poem and cries because Big gets up and doesn't listen to her poem. It's very loaded. It's such a loaded. And then the best part for me is at the end, we're all standing there, we've gone through a whole drama at this wedding, and they throw the bouquet and it lands at our feet and we're like, okay, bye.

[Kristen Davis]

None of you pick it up. Oh, that's awesome.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. It's so great. But it's so funny to think that that was, like, new or whatever or different idea. Yeah, Fascinating. Okay, back to the episode. Here we go. Oh, yes, Roger's used. Poor Roger. And then. Oh, here we go with the Jason Theroux.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, the Jason Theroux.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my gosh. First of all, he's just so adorable and talented.

[Kristen Davis]

So cute.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

God.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh. So funny and wonderful.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I mean, so funny and wonderful and like, just to watch his career. Another one where, like, you know, I mean, I don't know in his career what he'd done before or how we knew him, but he was definitely. Sarah knew him, I believe. And I think that what had happened with this episode was that they were hoping she would get Matthew. Oh. Cause couldn't you see Matthew in that part for sure? Right?

[Kristen Davis]

I mean. Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And I think that Matthew was like, no, no. And I think even Sarah was like, no. It's a little.

[Kristen Davis]

It seems weird. Yeah, it's a little weird. Like they don't.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I mean, they did Plaza Suite together, which is amazing, for sure.

[Kristen Davis]

But just like a one off. And particularly what this storyline is. No, that would be so uncomfortable. Yeah. And just, I think, distracting for the audience, too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

They would spend all those scenes being like, oh, they're actually married.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That's cool.

[Kristen Davis]

Absolutely. I'm watching them through.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

You know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes. So I think we were like, hey, Justin, come back and just cut your hair and put on some glasses. So we meet Justin. They're adorable. They're both writers. They met at a PEN luncheon, which I love. And then she gives him advice about, you know, what he should or shouldn't wear. She says, never go sleeveless. He's gonna do a GQ shoot. Because she says no one ever gets nominated for a Pulitzer after they've gone.

[Kristen Davis]

Taking their shirt off.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Too funny. But then later on, he takes his shirt off and it's great. So thank God. But that's not at the photo shoot. So then we go, we meet the family. And this is kind of the background of the theme of the story, which is, are you dating the person or the family? Do you feel more strongly about the family than the person? Because you can tell once they get there. Not that she doesn't seem into him. She does.

[Kristen Davis]

She does.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But she really likes.

[Kristen Davis]

Is really something.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes, they really are. And they're so kind of quintessentially New York. The dad is a professor at Columbia. The mom is a writer. Documentarian. Documentarian.

[Kristen Davis]

Documentarian.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Who reads Carrie's column, tells her she's an icon, which kind of cracked me up because it's Valley Valerie Harper saying it. I mean, I was like, wow. I don't remember any of this. This is amazing. And they have these kids, and there's a lot of good food in New York and chatter banter. Right. It's awesome. And you can tell that Carrie loves it. Oh, and the girls are named Franny and Zoe.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Which is Jericho.

[Kristen Davis]

Hysterical.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God. So funny. So funny. So then Carrie's obviously very seduced by that life, by the lifestyle and the kind of thoughtful, you know, conversation and characters and whatnot. Now we're back. We're at the park. We discussed the hitting on the head of the child, which is so crazy about the divorce.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, now we're at my house. I love that I'm suddenly just making everybody muffins. So Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

Because the muffin will fix that brother marriage problem.

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[Kristen Davis]

I'm so excited.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So here I am with my brother. My poor brother who we're never gonna see ever again. It's so crazy to watch. But it's funny because I also felt like. Like there's like a weird vibe between me and the brother.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Do you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Like it doesn't seem that comfortable. Like I'm kind of cheerful and trying to cheer him up, but it doesn't seem like we're super, actually.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Have a real relationship.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Because he's like, you don't even know. You know, he's kind of like mad and like you don't even know. And I'm like, oh yeah. And then I love that. I do try to give him advice. Like, how hard did you try?

[Kristen Davis]

And he's like, when was the last time you had a long term relationship?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And I'm like, go.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, good call.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Good call, brother. That's put me in my place. But the adorable thing, I'm just gonna tell the whole storyline now because it is so hysterical. So we see the brother. I tell everybody about the brother, they make fun of the brother. Then I want to introduce him to my friends, meaning Carrie. And Carrie brings Samantha and I'm all like, weirdly. I mean, it's almost like a high school vibe.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right? Like it's not Charlotte at her most mature at all, you know, not at all.

[Kristen Davis]

Which I didn't mind because Family. Sometimes we do kind of regress.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That's a good point. No, that's very valid. It's very valid because I think also we were not afraid to show our characters bad qualities or whatever their shortcomings. So to speak.

[Kristen Davis]

So to speak.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Look how I did that. That was good. So Carrie brings him. Brings Samantha. And of course, Samantha takes one look at him and he takes one look at her. Next thing you know, it's the morning at my apartment, and I walk out and Samantha's there without any pants on, trying to find coffee filters. And I'm like, what are you doing there? And then she is oblivious and kind of adorable.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Like, trying to make coffee for all of us. It's so cute.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, cute.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. Shame in a way that Charlotte couldn't just be like, yay, Samantha's here.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

You know, it's great.

[Kristen Davis]

We can have breakfast together.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It's true. It's true. I kind of felt that way when I walked in. Like, it could have been adorable, but not for Charlotte, because Charlotte has judgments and rules. Absolutely. But then I say this very mean thing that she should be in the guidebook for New York because she's open all the time, which is like, ugh.

[Kristen Davis]

Ugh. Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Such a ick thing to say.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. And luckily she leaves. And she does look really hurt.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Very genuinely hurt.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

She really does.

[Kristen Davis]

And your brother stands up for her and goes after, which is nice. Nice. Really?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That was really nice. And also then connects back to when he tries to say to me, you know, this is what really happened. I haven't had sex in two years, and she made me feel great.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And that does seem to land for Charlotte. Thank God. I feel like that's like a good moment of Charlotte learning something.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And so luckily, then I make muffins for Samantha and go to her door, and she luckily forgives me. I say, I'm sorry, and then she smacks me on the butt, which is something she always did. Which is interesting. That was Kim Adlib that she was very fond of. And I was always like, oh, but it was fine. It was kind of an interesting thing because it's like kind of a old fashioned masculine energy thing.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, it is.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. And also, like a generational that you guys are friends, but also you're a kid too. Like. And definitely, definitely, definitely.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It's very. It's very loving and funny in a weird way. Unexpected and funny. And I also can. You can tell that I don't expect her to do it, which is also funny. Because she does do it off and on throughout the years. Now here, this is the whole thematic situation.

[Kristen Davis]

No. Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, good, good.

[Kristen Davis]

We're getting. Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Thematics are so good about the family. And I love this. Oh, this is. Oh, the Justin.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

We didn't talk about Justin's poor problem. It's not Justin, of course. It's the character. It's the character. So this is the sad, sad thing. And I felt so bad for Carrie and this whole storyline. I hadn't remembered this at all. Right. So I'm basically like a first time viewer. Because you're thinking, this guy's fantastic.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, he's adorable. He's a writer. His family is awesome. Yes. And yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And then they start making out in Carrie's kitchen. And then he, you know, ejaculates. I'm just gonna have to say it. So he has like, what's it called?

[Kristen Davis]

Premature.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Premature ejaculation.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Terrible.

[Kristen Davis]

It's terrible.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. And poor Carrie just looks like, kind of like. Oh, dear.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And then you can see that she's like, the wheels are turning, the wheels are turning. What do I do? How do I. And you know, at a certain point, once she meets the family, then she just wants to talk about the family. And then at one point he goes, I think this would be the next scene. He goes, oh, I don't wanna talk about my family right now. Cause they're kissing. Right. But she now is kind of infatuated with his mother in a way, which is adorable. But of course he wouldn't wanna talk about his mother. Oh, I love the part where he. So she has a scene with the mother played played by Valerie Harper, when Valerie Harper says, I always talked very openly to my kids with my children since they were two. And of course, as a mom, I'm thinking, like, that's amazing. She did that right? Then come to find out, Justin's character says Carrie, when Carrie tries eventually to talk to him about this, he goes, I'm so sick of talking about sex.

[Kristen Davis]

I was two years old.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. And you're like, ooh, backfire. Yes, backfire situation.

[Kristen Davis]

But it's so sad too, because, you know, they try a few times and they keep running into the same problem. And eventually Carrie is like, we're gonna take it slow. And she's really trying to, like, not bail. You know, she's trying to actually. And he just cannot talk about it. He cannot deal. He cannot try to work it out.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And he seems mad mad, which is not good. That's the main problem.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Because my feeling is you can work on anything as long as.

[Kristen Davis]

As people want to open and communicate and. Yeah, yeah. But he can't.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, no, he's mad. And it's so sad because he's there. He's shirtless. He's, like, so dreamy.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

He's just in, you know, but yet can't even talk to her about it. And he seems mad that she's trying.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And that's a terrible trait.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Yeah. No, that's just like, if you can't have communication, then that's. Yeah, yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

There's nothing you can do. No, no. And it's really sad. And then she realizes that she really has to break up with his mother. And that's so sad. And this is where we have your wonderful scene.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So you guys go back. You go. We're back at the apartment with the family, and everybody's perched on, like, kind of small furniture.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Around this little living room. We're all just dotted around with our plates of.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, yeah. It's so cute. And you are the girlfriend of.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm the girlfriend of Justin's little sister.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Got it, got it. Which is Franny or Zoe? Don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

One of them, I think. Zoe.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay. Got it. Yeah, one of them.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And you got. Did. Do they say you're going camping or something?

[Kristen Davis]

We're going camping. Well, Valerie. Valerie at one point is like, oh, whichever one it is tells me that you're going camping. Which I thought was really funny because even though this family is amazing and all the things, there's also is a sense that, like, that mother definitely inserts herself into her children's lives. And Sarah and I. She has this voiceover. Sarah and I had this moment of looking at each other and she has this voiceover where she says something like.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Because you're outsiders, we're outsiders.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, Gemma and I looked at each other like, the people. I can't remember exactly. Something like, we didn't have the passports and. Yeah. And there was a feeling of, like, even though it's amazing to have, like, a family like that, like, within reason. Like, at some point, the mothers do need to give their children the space.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

To run their.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, it's almost too close.

[Kristen Davis]

It's almost too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes. I have a family. I know. Who's like this. And everyone. Every family member is amazing.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But the boys in the family have challenges when it comes to the girlfriends in terms of everyone approving and. Or accepting. And I. I feel for them because, like, on the One hand. It's the closeness. Like, just as a mother, you look at that and you think, like, isn't that amazing to have your grown children so close? Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Doesn't that feel wonderful?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But then also, you need enough space.

[Kristen Davis]

That they can, like, like, make their own new life.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. Like, try things.

[Kristen Davis]

Try things and choose people.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. It's interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

And that, like, when. When Carrie then is like, I'm gonna leave because Justin Theroux is, like, banging around and basically having a tantrum about cream cheese.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

He's having a grown, grown tantrum. And Rhoda, I most said Carrie is like, it's out there.

[Kristen Davis]

She's kind of trying to ignore him.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But he's like, where is it?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. So Carrie tries to leave and, you know. Know, Valerie Hopper's character, like, follows her and. And basically says, look, his last girlfriend was less discreet. And, you know, is. It's. I know, I know. The problem is in the irony that he's a short story writer.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God.

[Kristen Davis]

And Carrie's like, I cannot discuss this with you about anything.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It's like, no, that's mortifying. That's mortifying.

[Kristen Davis]

It really is.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, this is the other thing that went through my head. I'm thinking to myself, like, the mom needs to get him into some therapy.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. Like, if she's in the middle of.

[Kristen Davis]

It, then she needs actually be productive.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And help the actual problem.

[Kristen Davis]

He needs talk therapy. And also, like, a doctor. A doctor to help work that out. There's things that can be done, right?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, I think there is.

[Kristen Davis]

I think there is.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Aren't there commercials for this, Ed? Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, there are.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't know back in the day, but I'm sure. Right.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Back in the day, Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I am sure there are things that could be done.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Definitely something man out. Totally. Let's hope he got help in the future at some point. But then the sweet scene where the voiceover says, you know, I realized that I needed to break up with his mother. And she's basically trying to say, it's not you. You're wonderful. And then the mom is trying to fight for the relationship, and then she says something crazy like, 75% of marriages are sexless. And I'm like, oh, God, no.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And I love Carrie's reaction to that. She's just like, we cannot be satisfied with those numbers. No. Like to just settle for that. It's like, no, no, no.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And I mean, on the other Hand Valerie Harper's saying, you know, that's not the only thing. And I think it's true. Right. Not the only thing.

[Kristen Davis]

It's not the only thing, but it is one of the things.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. But it's also interesting if you look at the way that our characters all talk about sex, because obviously, that's part.

[Kristen Davis]

Of the thing that we do.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. Which is freeing and am. But then it sometimes almost seems like the focus goes too much.

[Kristen Davis]

Too much to that.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. And luckily, through Charlotte's whole marriage thing, yeah, we have. We. We have some growth in that area for her at least. Right. But everyone's different in terms of how important sex is to them or not. Or whatever.

[Kristen Davis]

That's right.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, and also because the show is exploring, like, the starts of lots of relationships. That is an exciting part of the beginning of a relationship. Right. So there's a lot of focus on that at the beginning of relationship. And. And then, obviously, hopefully, everything evolves together.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But if that thing is broken at the beginning, Right. Then it's like, oh, then where's this gonna go? Because absolutely.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And especially if the person can't talk about it, like, the way that Carrie really tries, which I was so happy that she did because I didn't remember the storyline at all. Right. So I was like, oh, my God, what's gonna happen? She hung in there. Yeah, totally. She really tries. And maybe it's because she loves his family, but also, he's adorable and interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

He's so cute.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And what's weird is, like, on some level, it almost feels like he has a blind spot because this keeps. Ha. Like, this keeps happening. Right. But then he comes back in all, like, hottie and flirtatious and, like, let's, like, make a moment of this, which is gonna be done in 30 seconds.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Totally. It's almost like he's. He almost seems unaware.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Which is also interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. But I mean.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I don't. You can tell. I'm debating what I should say now. I, I, I, I. I have had one relationship where this was kind of a problem. Not to the extent, because this is very extreme, this situation in the show. Right. But I did have one relationship. And, you know, sometimes I think, like, you know, should I say something?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Or should I not? Should I?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Am I okay? You know, you're just like, like, yeah, what? Am I okay with it? Am I not okay with it?

[Kristen Davis]

Well, and I think. I think not to make, like, gross generalizations, but I think as women, we are kind of. We want to facilitate People feeling good about themselves and sometimes we're like, maybe the fix comes in just like making things nice. Right. And then they'll create comfort and confidence instead of going right to the problem problem, which might make them feel insecure and then that compounds the problem.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, that's so true. And that's what's so awkward. And I thought that the way did it in the show, he's so loving and sweet and that's why when he's just like, what? You know, and then she's like, we.

[Kristen Davis]

Have to talk about that.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Because it's pretty extreme. Yeah, it's pretty extreme. Yeah. My situation was not that extreme, but I also felt like the person that I was involved with had some understanding about it because there were things that he would do to like focus on me, so to speak. But I was like, that's too much focus on me.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? Yes. I want this to be like a communal experience.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But then in reality I thought it through and I thought, oh, that is kind of a mechanism to take the focus off this kind of thing. It wasn't as bad. It definitely wasn't as bad. But at a certain point I was like, this just weird. I don't feel like I can talk about it. And I mean, if you think about the show, that the show is trying to take like the lid off of all of the different things and say you can talk about it.

[Kristen Davis]

Talk about it. You can talk about it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And that that's the only way to, to try to solve anything.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely. I try to tell my 7 year old this, you know, like, we gotta talk about the feelings. You know, we gotta talk about the feelings.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Let's talk about what you're working on. Tell me everything. As I said, I'm a big fan.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, you're sweet. Thank you.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Not even knowing that you had been on our show. I've just been a watching fan.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I didn't even think I knew that you were married to Alan. Didn't even know that connection. I was just like, she's amazing and so unique.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes. And I love everything you've done because I think you get to play this like we touched on a bit. You get to play kind of more masculine characters, but you're yet this tiny little, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, it's been a funny journey, but I mean, one that I've been grateful for because you do hear about women's roles being marginalized or whatever, and. But when you're given these roles of women who have kind of an eternal power, then you get to live that out.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

Those are interesting stories.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Good point.

[Kristen Davis]

So anyway, most recently, I don't know if you know the show for All Mankind. I'll admit that I wasn't familiar with it at all. It's this great sci fi show on Apple tv and the structure is very interesting. Each season jumps a decade. Oh, so it starts in 1969. It's a revisionist history of what if Russia got to the moon first?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, wow.

[Kristen Davis]

Which launched this incredible space race. And then your main characters from season one, you get to watch them age throughout the course of their lives. It's very cool. So season. And so every season they have to bring in new characters because it's a full decade later and what's happening. And now we're on the moon, and now we're on Mars and now we're, you know. So I got to join in season five as one of the new main characters. Of season five. And I mean, there's so much storyline and everything, but it's coming out this fall. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I haven't seen it yet. Oh, my gosh. But I'm excited to see it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Coming out this fall.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Amazing. And tell us about Jon Hamm and Jon Hammond.

[Kristen Davis]

We love Jon Hamm. So. And then I've just signed on to do a limited series with Jon Hamm called American Hostage that's coming out on MGM plus. And it's very interesting story based on a true story. In the 70s, a man was taken hostage in kind of a public way in Illinois and asked the. The. The kidnapper asked to be interviewed live by kind of this famous Illinois radio journalist.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

And that man agreed to do it. And. And just like the role of journalism and the role of us as citizens, like what our place is in just helping.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Well, that's fascinating.

[Kristen Davis]

It's really, like, riveting.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my gosh. I cannot wait to see that. How incredible. I have a really important question.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Are you a Charlotte?

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think so. Really? I think I'm scrappy. I grew up scrappy.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

I grew up in like, Texas with, like, chickens in my backyard.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God, I love that. But that doesn't mean that you're not a Charlotte because you are wearing a bow version.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I did put on blouse on purpose just to like, tip it in that direction a little bit.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

This was just your everyday everywhere.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I think. I think I'm a little scrappier.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Than Charlotte. She was always so put together. That's true.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That's one of her homes.

[Kristen Davis]

And most days I do not look like this. Most days I'm. I mean, yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I. Yeah. Most days I'm just a little. Yeah.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So, like, would you put yourself more in a Miranda? Kind of.

[Kristen Davis]

So I think I'm. I think I'm a little bit ambitious, like a Miranda.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I think I'm.

[Kristen Davis]

Maybe I'm just pieces, which is fantastic of all of them. I'm a little bit, like, scattered, like Carrie. I'm a little. I don't know. I think I like it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, I like it. I mean, there are people who talk about that we're all parts of one woman, which I find interesting. And it depends who's saying that, whether I'm annoyed by that or not. Do you know what I mean? Because all women can be everything, right?

[Kristen Davis]

Of course.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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