Kristin Davis (3:46)

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi, everyone. Thanks for joining us. I am back today with the incredible Lena. Waithe Lena. Let's just jump right back in. I think I talked about this in the podcast, so forgive me, everyone listening, if I did, but when we first shot, I wanted to say the first episode back from the pilot.

Lena Waithe (4:09)

Oh, love that. You guys in the cab.

Kristin Davis (4:11)

The cab seems great, but this scene with the guy. So I basically, we're setting up Charlotte to be the one who wants to get married. So I've said that you haven't seen a lot of it, but it's the beginning, right?

Lena Waithe (4:21)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (4:22)

And so I have the scene with him where I'm like, you know, no one's gonna marry Mrs. Up the butt. Do you remember in this scene, it's, like, embarrassing. So I had done it once and I had cried and we had to refilm it, which is the only time in my career I've had to reshoot a scene based on my performance.

Lena Waithe (4:37)

No.

Kristin Davis (4:37)

And I remember Darren coming to me and saying, don't be so upset. And I'm like, what? What do you mean? Because I've been in acting class forever where you had to put the stakes high for everything. Do you know what I'm saying?

Lena Waithe (4:48)

So they thought it was too dramatic.

Kristin Davis (4:50)

Yeah, they thought I was too upset. He was like, there's another guy around the corner. And I was like, what? There is. Because for me, as a person, me, Kristin, I don't really operate that way, and I certainly didn't. Then I remember Darren being like, you don't care that much. You don't care that much. And I'm like, oh. I thought, you know, my lines are like, I want to get married and now it's not going to work out because he Wants to do this thing, and I don't want to do it. And he was like, ah, you know, another guy around the corner. Just be. Just careless. I was like, okay. Bizarre.

Lena Waithe (5:17)

Care less.

Kristin Davis (5:17)

I know. But I didn't really understand that the show was really going to be like a lot of dating.

Lena Waithe (5:24)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (5:24)

You know what I'm saying?

Lena Waithe (5:25)

Yeah. It took your character a while to get to the wedding.

Kristin Davis (5:28)

And rightly so. You know, rightly so.

Lena Waithe (5:30)

Here's the deal. I think ultimately, it does depend on what you want or how you want to live. But I think it's something that people are afraid to talk about when they're dating.

Kristin Davis (5:41)

True.

Lena Waithe (5:41)

Because a lot of women are taught from birth to want to get married and have kids.

Kristin Davis (5:46)

This is true.

Lena Waithe (5:47)

And so I think that's why Charlotte is such a beautiful representation of a woman wanting to be in. You know, was it Architectural Digest? Was it. Or which magazine that her.

Kristin Davis (5:56)

I think it was. Right.

Lena Waithe (5:57)

Yeah. When they pulled out.

Kristin Davis (5:58)

Oh, my God. I forgot about that.

Lena Waithe (5:59)

Yeah. And what I love about. You know, that it's a beautiful episode, you know, when it's the end of the marriage, really, and he comes in to take the photo as sort of this last kindness, like a gift to you. But what I loved about it, even as a young person watching, that it was Michael Patrick King or the writer saying, these images you see in these magazines are just. That they're an image.

Kristin Davis (6:24)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (6:25)

And I thought it was so special that we, the audience, know what's happening with you. You know, that's really good. And Trey and. But we know that the public will get that magazine and think.

Kristin Davis (6:38)

Think it's gorgeous.

Lena Waithe (6:39)

I want that. Totally not knowing.

Kristin Davis (6:41)

People still look at that hairdo and say, like, oh, that headband. I want that headband.

Lena Waithe (6:45)

I want that. Yeah. I want what she has.

Kristin Davis (6:47)

Powerful. Those images.

Lena Waithe (6:48)

Absolutely.

Kristin Davis (6:49)

Right. But I think that. Right. Like, that's the trap of getting. And that was Charlotte's trap, which I think was, of course, great. On Michael Patrick's. That was his.

Lena Waithe (6:57)

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So beautifully done. Expertly done.

Kristin Davis (7:01)

Right. You're gonna want this thing, and you're gonna make it perfect. And it's gonna look perfect, but it's not gonna actually be it.

Lena Waithe (7:07)

Yeah. Which is. Which is a lesson. He sort of did all these. These breadcrumbs that you guys were leaving us is saying that he may look great. They may all seem wonderful.

Kristin Davis (7:14)

Right.

Lena Waithe (7:15)

But you know, when you really look underneath the rug, what's there? And also what's so interesting, too, is because obviously Marle Cantone's character was saying, like, all right, we'll do it solo. You know, we're not gonna. He's not coming. Don't worry about it. She took the photo by herself. It's great. And just the idea of, what if you did do it by yourself? And so many young girls look at that image and go, huh, Definitely. There's no guy in the frame.

Kristin Davis (7:37)

That would have been awesome.

Lena Waithe (7:38)

That would have been powerful. It would've been very powerful. But he's saying, you wanted me here, you wanted to do this, right? You wanted this picture. I'm going to give it to you, which is nice. Yeah, but all you have is that the picture. Exactly.

Kristin Davis (7:51)

So sad. But it is. You know, let's talk about Michael Patrick for a second.

Lena Waithe (7:55)

Yes. You know, great. Love Michael Kane so much.

Kristin Davis (7:58)

So tell me about. You got the DVDs that had the.

Lena Waithe (8:00)

The commentary. Tell me about that. Well, I was working at Blockbuster, which tells you how long ago this was. Like, I would rent those seasons, you know, television. And because that's how you watch things again, you had to get DVDs. And so I was really. And so that's how I kind of got to figure out which seasons I really liked, you know, and so I was like, oh, I like three. I like four. You know, those two seasons in particular really spoke to me. And so there were certain episodes he would, like, cover an arc. And what was really helpful for me was hearing him talk about Carrie's like, Descent.

Kristin Davis (8:33)

Wow.

Lena Waithe (8:34)

You know, he's like, okay, she's got this great guy. Aiden is amazing, wonderful. They're great. And then what rears its ugly head? That past that guy that she couldn't have, that didn't give her what she wanted.

Kristin Davis (8:46)

Right.

Lena Waithe (8:46)

That is that temptation. And he sort of talks about, like, she does the wrong thing. She's always using smoking cigarettes, too, as a metaphor. Like, she sort of gives up smoking like Aiden's. That's not healthy. I'm like, and also, what is he saying? I want to have a place for us, all the things that Mr. Big didn't give her. And so I think just him talking about that and running through. I'm thinking, oh, wow, that's such an interesting character. Or, oh, she has the thing she wants, but she's sabotaging it for some reason. And I can't even think about that as an adult. But I'm thinking about it story wise, how smart it was. And also him adding, you know, when she's like, she goes to the other side of the other Apartment that they're trying to break into. Yeah, yeah. But it's at the end. And so Michael Patrick King says, we had to make sure people knew that her and Aiden were broken up. But we have to figure that out. Cause they're laying together. And then he says, so we added the voiceover. The next day, Aiden moves out. But him just giving me that, because I wouldn't have known that. I was thinking, oh, that's so powerful. Punch in the gut, like, oh, he's gone. He's not gonna be here. And Michael Patrick, because we added that in the last moment, right? He's also showing me this is how we can use voiceover. It's not a lazy thing at all. It's a way for you to understand what's happening and the weight of it, you know, to see these two people holding each other. And then you hear, and the next day he moved out. And you're like, oh, man. And that. Those are the moments that I think I really learned about writing for an audience, where you make them care so much about this relationship, this marriage, this couple. And so the end of it feels like a breakup for you. You feel like you're going through it. You feel like we're going through your divorce. We feel like we're watching you, like, struggle to get pregnant. All these different things. Even like, when you follow behind Miranda, you know what I'm saying? Even though she didn't turn back, she knew she was there. So he's reminding us of, look, they are in relationships with each other. Only thing is, they not having sex. The other relationships they have, they're learning how to be in those relationships by how they show up for each other.

Kristin Davis (10:41)

Absolutely. That's really well put. Really well put. And I love that in this episode. Do you remember in this episode, Miranda.

Lena Waithe (10:47)

She makes the call. They don't tell us who she's calling. Is it Mr. Dude?

Kristin Davis (10:50)

I'm calling big. I literally thought that, and I should know.

Lena Waithe (10:54)

I mean, it's beautiful writing.

Kristin Davis (10:55)

That's the thing.

Lena Waithe (10:56)

He's hiding it. And it's like, she's there. And that cut of that image of Miranda, like, sort of saying, like, I'm sorry. Like, that was my stuff. I shouldn't have done it. And that's why I really think he's teaching women how to be good friends to each other. These. All the writers are, you know, the actors. You are showing us, hey, sometimes you got to say, I'm in the wrong. And there's iconic fights between Carrie and Miranda.

Kristin Davis (11:16)

Like, I mean, they have an incredible relationship.

Lena Waithe (11:18)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (11:18)

I also did not really realize until I'm rewatching, like, the through line of their relationship from the beginning is incredible, insane.

Lena Waithe (11:26)

And sometimes I will not be single for you, Miranda. Totally.

Kristin Davis (11:29)

I mean, so many moments.

Lena Waithe (11:31)

So many. When they're at the thrift shop, she's.

Kristin Davis (11:33)

Like, the thrift shop. Incredible.

Lena Waithe (11:34)

Also, I love Yalls argument, though, like, too, like, before you give her the ring, it's so beautiful.

Kristin Davis (11:38)

That one's good. That one's good. I mean, I. Yeah. I don't mean to diminish my own part, but, like, I always feel jealous when we're doing it just like that. If I see on the call, she. That the two of them have a walk, duck. And I'm like, why am I not there? Why am I not there? But now I understand more why I'm not there. Like, they have a thing. It's a big and interesting thing. And they're so different, but they're also so similar. Miranda is kind of the only one who really tells Karen the truth. Like, the truth. And the only one that she might listen to. You know, it's interesting, but also it's.

Lena Waithe (12:08)

A showing of, like, if Carrie is all of us, we know there are certain friends you go to for certain things. And there are other friends that you don't go to for certain things.

Kristin Davis (12:15)

Most definitely.

Lena Waithe (12:15)

You know, and so it's like she tells Samantha that she cheated.

Kristin Davis (12:18)

Right?

Lena Waithe (12:19)

That's who she's in.

Kristin Davis (12:19)

The Chef. That makes perfect sense. Yes, absolutely.

Lena Waithe (12:21)

You know, and she's like, don't you want to judge me? And she's like, not my style.

Kristin Davis (12:24)

Right.

Lena Waithe (12:25)

You know, and gives her the wink.

Kristin Davis (12:26)

Right.

Lena Waithe (12:26)

You know, and the wink comes back in the movie, you know, New Mexico. Oh, my God. You know, you are an encyclopedia. You know, but also. But the thing with the money, you know, when she's about to literally get kicked out of her house, you know, and she's looking at the fact that Charlotte is fine, you know, and doing well. I know, but I love that when, you know, Carrie's like, you got this apartment for free. Like, you didn't have to do work for this. And you're like, I earned this girl. Like, don't play me. I went through a lot to get this to get here.

Kristin Davis (12:51)

I know.

Lena Waithe (12:52)

You know, and also. But you saying, like, you know, you bring up your parent there a little bit. You talk about your dad. My dad never talk about money with friends. And that's a real thing.

Kristin Davis (12:59)

Oh, it's a real thing.

Lena Waithe (13:00)

It's a real thing.

Kristin Davis (13:01)

It's a real thing, you know.

Lena Waithe (13:02)

But then for you to give her the ring, it's almost like we are married. You know, we are in a marriage. We are a unique.

Kristin Davis (13:07)

Each other's soulmates.

Lena Waithe (13:08)

Exactly. You know, and so. And she's like, you know, it's like. Cause she didn't ruin your wedding that day.

Kristin Davis (13:12)

No.

Lena Waithe (13:13)

You know what I mean? When she was going through what she's going through. And then when you no longer are married, you're like, here, take this. So you got somewhere to live. And I think that to me is such a beautiful four song.

Kristin Davis (13:22)

Such a beautiful. I mean, there's so much to talk to you about. I have barely recapped.

Lena Waithe (13:25)

It's okay. I know, I know. We're just going through the whole season. The whole series. All of them.

Kristin Davis (13:28)

I know.

Lena Waithe (13:29)

All of them. I love it.

Kristin Davis (13:35)

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Kristin Davis (18:40)

One thing I love, I mean, and I mean, some of it is just like memories, you know, I love the memories. And this also, can I say, I don't know if you've ever met the director Alan Coulter. Did you ever meet.

Lena Waithe (18:51)

Oh, my God, So incredible when I saw that name.

Kristin Davis (18:52)

I want to have him on because he is also. Carrie runs into him on the street. He is on the street. I don't know why he's such a character. And he. You know, when you have those directors who inject, like a new element that then changes forever the show. He was one of those, like, he came in and he's very. I mean, he's intense. And almost every time he would threaten to quit. You know what I mean? It was one of those just because, like, we are always and still are very over ambitious in our desires of what we want to film in the time and money that we have.

Lena Waithe (19:29)

Oh, yeah.

Kristin Davis (19:29)

So it's always a stress, you know what I'm saying? And we used to film all night, you know, many times a week. Yeah, it was hard. It was hard, but we loved it.

Lena Waithe (19:37)

Right.

Kristin Davis (19:37)

But I mean, for the director trying to. He had high, high hopes. You know what I'm trying to say? He set the bar high and he used to say to us, one of the best things he ever said to me, at least was walk slow, talk fast. Because we have so many walk and talks, right?

Lena Waithe (19:51)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (19:52)

But you have to make it seem like you're walking fast. But you can't really walk fast because we can't cover that much territory with the camera. Do you know what I mean? So you had to separate your. Your voice, your vocals from your feet.

Lena Waithe (20:05)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (20:06)

Which is hard because usually you walk fast and you talk fast together, but you had to separate like. Like padding.

Lena Waithe (20:12)

That's crazy, because you guys are walking so much.

Kristin Davis (20:14)

Exactly, exactly. So. But he had a great. His rhythms really affected me. And I think all of us, like, when I look at that episode, it's really good.

Lena Waithe (20:22)

Pacing is great.

Kristin Davis (20:23)

His pacing is great.

Lena Waithe (20:24)

And also it's a new trick too, because, like, you guys are still doing the thing of breaking the fourth wall. But what was interesting about that episode is that it's like people on the.

Kristin Davis (20:31)

Street and they were good.

Lena Waithe (20:32)

They were Fantastic.

Kristin Davis (20:33)

They were so good.

Lena Waithe (20:33)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (20:34)

Like, for me, I. Cause in the first season, I'm like, oh, God, not again.

Lena Waithe (20:38)

Trying to figure it out.

Kristin Davis (20:39)

Totally. And Sarah Jessica never wanted to do that.

Lena Waithe (20:41)

Oh, she never wanted to do that.

Kristin Davis (20:43)

She did not like it. No.

Lena Waithe (20:43)

Well, it went away by three.

Kristin Davis (20:45)

Yes.

Lena Waithe (20:45)

And maybe that's. It's interesting because that's where it's kind of like, guys know what? This is not a TV show.

Kristin Davis (20:50)

This is, like, strange for the main character to break.

Lena Waithe (20:54)

For the main character. Yeah. But that's what I like in this episode. That it was not.

Kristin Davis (20:57)

No. It was the people at the baseball game, which was nice, but it was great. And they were funny and interesting. Interesting. And I liked it a lot, too.

Lena Waithe (21:03)

I liked it.

Kristin Davis (21:04)

And I loved that whole baseball thing. I remember going there. It was freezing. It was February. We went to where they used to play the US Open in, like, Flushing.

Lena Waithe (21:13)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (21:14)

Because it was empty, you know, we needed an empty stadium.

Lena Waithe (21:16)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (21:17)

And I got lost, which is really common. It was back before we had security, so you could just be wandering around, you know.

Lena Waithe (21:24)

So you got lost on Saturday?

Kristin Davis (21:26)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (21:26)

Like, trying.

Kristin Davis (21:26)

Like, trying to find the way in or whatever. Because it was, like a big, empty stadium during me. And there was no PA with me or anything. Like, where's the ad? This is back in the old.

Lena Waithe (21:35)

There's no walkie talkie. Kristin, who's got. Kristen, who's got.

Kristin Davis (21:37)

No, no. They just lost track of me. I was. I was missing, and I was just walking and walking. And I think I had my cell phone. You know, the big. Big old cell phones. And I think I called Cynthia. Like, where are you guys?

Lena Waithe (21:47)

Wow.

Kristin Davis (21:47)

I know. And then we were up in those stands for, like, a long time, and it was cold. Cause we would go back in February. The show wouldn't come on till June. So we had to pretend like it.

Lena Waithe (21:56)

Was this one I'm dealing with, with the shot. Like, we were like, okay, we're gonna. That's. We're gonna make it real. We're gonna make the weather real. Even though I'm kind of like, I don't wanna be outside with everybody. They're like, lena gonna just deal with it.

Kristin Davis (22:03)

I mean, that's hard.

Lena Waithe (22:04)

Yeah. We're gonna play it for winter, though, because we're not trying to be holes. But it didn't look cold. You guys tricked me.

Kristin Davis (22:10)

Thank you.

Lena Waithe (22:11)

I mean, gee. I mean, she had the fur coat on, though.

Kristin Davis (22:13)

But, yes, she has. She has that vintage fur.

Lena Waithe (22:15)

She still has it. Of course.

Kristin Davis (22:16)

She. She has everything in her storage oh.

Lena Waithe (22:18)

She got all of it. That coat is.

Kristin Davis (22:21)

I know. That coat is good. I know. That coat is good. They had to retire it because people got upset with us about the fur.

Lena Waithe (22:27)

I get it.

Kristin Davis (22:27)

I get it, too, obviously, but it's still iconic. Yes.

Lena Waithe (22:32)

All right.

Kristin Davis (22:33)

I have to look at the notes because I'm sure there's something really important that we're not covering. Oh, I have that man who wants to adjust himself, which is so interesting.

Lena Waithe (22:40)

As a woman who doesn't date men, it's that thing of going, like, I'm glad these are things that one doesn't have to deal with.

Kristin Davis (22:45)

Totally, totally, totally. I also think it's funny because, like, Charlotte is so into manners. Right. So of course it would really bug her.

Lena Waithe (22:52)

Of course.

Kristin Davis (22:52)

But also, it's funny that it also bugs Samantha. It seems to bug everybody, which I think is interesting.

Lena Waithe (22:57)

It's interesting. It's interesting. Walter Smith is dealing with her own issue with the guy with the small penis.

Kristin Davis (23:02)

Oh, my God. I feel so bad for her in this one. And I had forgotten.

Lena Waithe (23:05)

I feel bad for the actor.

Kristin Davis (23:06)

I felt really bad for that actor. And he's so, so sweet.

Lena Waithe (23:10)

Y' all do the guy so dirty on sex. I mean, it's so bad.

Kristin Davis (23:13)

Let me tell you.

Lena Waithe (23:14)

Geez Louise.

Kristin Davis (23:14)

I mean.

Lena Waithe (23:16)

But then once y' all get the husbands, you know, you got your. Yeah, you got.

Kristin Davis (23:19)

I still feel like they feel sometimes lesser. You know what I'm saying?

Lena Waithe (23:24)

Well, Harry. I mean, look, he was Harry, literally. And you know his name, Giving Beauty and the Beast.

Kristin Davis (23:29)

It's true.

Lena Waithe (23:30)

But he was great. And he's still.

Kristin Davis (23:32)

And he still is great.

Lena Waithe (23:32)

He's still around.

Kristin Davis (23:33)

I know. He's still around. I know.

Lena Waithe (23:34)

I love it.

Kristin Davis (23:35)

I love it, too. I mean, I do remember a lot of those guys in the beginning would just be, like, thrown off. Like, I have to be, like, the girlfriend, you know?

Lena Waithe (23:42)

Cause, like, that's why guys get so mad about the show. Cause it's like, you know, I mean, you guys even made it into a Jay Z song. He's like, you know, I have to wait till Sex and the City is over.

Kristin Davis (23:52)

I love it.

Lena Waithe (23:53)

I mean, hello. Because, yeah, the women are like, yeah, we're. It's a. It's a. It's a matriarchy versus a patriarchy in the show.

Kristin Davis (23:58)

I know. And thank God.

Lena Waithe (23:59)

But that's why, like, think about how long it stuck with us.

Kristin Davis (24:02)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (24:03)

You know, but then you think about it. Sometimes women get a little frustrated with. And just like that. Because what it's showing is sort of this is what it is to age, you know, this is what it is to, you know, have children that are not babies or have a husband that has now died or to explore your sexuality after 50, you know, then it's sort of like, oh, I'm being confronted with, like, what I know we're still doing it a lot more like, well, I'm just married over here with kids. I don't wanna be thinking about, you know, what could also be happening.

Kristin Davis (24:29)

Right.

Lena Waithe (24:30)

And what I think you guys are saying is that life isn't done.

Kristin Davis (24:32)

That is exactly what we're saying.

Lena Waithe (24:34)

Yeah, I know.

Kristin Davis (24:34)

The thing that's funny to me is that, I mean, it's very hard to be objective when you're making something right. And luckily, Michael Patrick's in charge and I don't have to worry about the big issues. But we did all discuss at length about coming back and. And why we would want to come back and what we wanted to do. And what we wanted to do was say, life is not over.

Lena Waithe (24:53)

No. Yeah.

Kristin Davis (24:54)

It never ends. Like, fascinating and unexpected things happen all the time as you continue. And why shouldn't those stories be told? Yeah.

Lena Waithe (25:04)

Well, again, it's like you guys are really are a fairy tale for people. So it's almost like somebody saying, let's go see how Cinderella's doing. It's like, I don't want to know how Cinderella's doing. I don't want to know what Cinderella's doing. I want to just think she's happy and living her life in the castle.

Kristin Davis (25:20)

I know. See, I didn't realize that part.

Lena Waithe (25:22)

No, y' all are. It's fairy tale if you think about. Because how long people have lived with the reruns, obviously. And obviously they get to watch it on Netflix. But for me, it's about evolution. And I think sometimes for people, that is scary to evolve, to grow, to not stay the same. And I think for a lot of people, it's like, well, no, I want to live. And it's saying, well, that means they.

Kristin Davis (25:47)

Want it to stay there. They want to keep that kind of glorious bubble.

Lena Waithe (25:51)

True. But it's like, yeah, but I. Like Somewhere over the Rainbow. But also, like, come on, get happy.

Kristin Davis (25:58)

Totally. I mean, look, I'm thrilled to be doing it just like that, because I do feel like maybe someday more people will embrace it or maybe they won't, and it's fine.

Lena Waithe (26:10)

No, I think, to me, whenever I think sometimes with audiences are frustrated by something, it means you're drawing blood, as Baldwin would say. And so. But Also, I think it becomes a part of the art. So that way, 20 years from now, we look back, people say, well, what were people saying at the time? And that is also a timestamp.

Kristin Davis (26:28)

Absolutely.

Lena Waithe (26:29)

Is the audience's reaction to something. Because in 20 years somebody will watch this and go, oh, how forward thinking. Or how amazing. We can say, yes. But at the time, some people got frustrated with the non binary character, with the fact that Miranda's now queer or. Or the fact that Big has passed away. And people are gonna go look back, like, why were they upset about that? You know what I mean? And I think that's why whatever people are doing or talking about, it's more of an education for us. Cause that's what I'm saying. If someone's upset, I'm saying, oh, y' all just don't want to come into this new space. And what it's saying is, oh, y' all want to stay in this little box in the same period. And it means like, oh, so that's not evolution. That's not growing up, that's wanting to stay in the past. And the past is cannot. If you live in, you know, anybody that lives in the past, they always talking about what they've done and where they've been. And it's sort of like, what are you doing now? Yeah, yeah. Where are you at now?

Kristin Davis (27:18)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (27:18)

And so I think that's why I just like, that is so special because now we get to see, oh, this is after the happy ending. This is after the credits have rolled. Where are you now? And that sometimes can be scary for people.

Kristin Davis (27:28)

I agree, I agree. I mean, it's scary for us sometimes too, you know, it's just. Just to do it, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's still.

Lena Waithe (27:36)

Look, look, there was a beautiful television movie called Mary and Rhoda, you know, that they decided to try to come back. Ended up being a TV special. They were thinking about making a TV show. But I think this is no different than that. It's sort of those actresses, you know, saying these characters still resonate with people and we want to see what they look like. And I remember they were dealing with like in the workforce and working for like younger people and all these different things. I don't. Like, if you go back and look at Mary and Rhoda, it's a little bit of just like that. And I remember people really. I was really excited about them coming back and doing that. But it was saying, like, these characters are still relevant even though they are not in their 30s or 40s or more.

Kristin Davis (28:11)

And the thing is too, like, the thing that I have to remember and that you know so well, obviously is you don't really need the invitation to do it. You just need to do it.

Lena Waithe (28:20)

Absolutely.

Kristin Davis (28:20)

And it's so hard to remember sometimes.

Lena Waithe (28:22)

Yeah, yeah.

Kristin Davis (28:23)

You just gotta push through.

Lena Waithe (28:24)

And what's also interesting is, like, look, you guys are like Rolling Stones. Like, people don't show up, they're gonna buy tickets, they're gonna come.

Kristin Davis (28:30)

You're sweet. I don't know about that. I mean, I'm just. So you guys are like a rock.

Lena Waithe (28:34)

Band that people still want to come and hear. The concert difference is you guys are playing, and so it's like, okay, we.

Kristin Davis (28:39)

Do, we do, we do. And I think that's the.

Lena Waithe (28:41)

The.

Kristin Davis (28:41)

That's the part where, I mean, it's exciting that it's still scary. You know, that's what you want, right? You don't want to be coasting. We're definitely not coasting. I watched that first episode. I was like.

Lena Waithe (28:51)

I'm like, what is happening? I'm so like, susan fails hill. Gotta give her a shout. Susan fails hill.

Kristin Davis (28:57)

Oh, my God.

Lena Waithe (28:58)

Susan was like showrunning a different world back in the day. She show ran my show 20s, and I'm so happy she's over there. And I know she. She's iconic, and I'm sure she's bringing so much.

Kristin Davis (29:09)

She does.

Lena Waithe (29:10)

She's just amazing. She's so sharp, and she's a New York lady.

Kristin Davis (29:14)

I mean, she's the perfect person to.

Lena Waithe (29:16)

Be in that room.

Kristin Davis (29:17)

I mean, she lived that life as well as knowing how to run a television show. Oh, she's insane.

Lena Waithe (29:23)

Yeah. Yeah. She's so happy over there.

Kristin Davis (29:24)

I mean, we love her so much. We love her so much.

Lena Waithe (29:26)

That's why I'm so excited. She won't tell me anything. I'm like, come on, what's up? What's up? She's like, nah, you gotta watch this. Crazy. I'm like, all right.

Kristin Davis (29:31)

It is some craziness. It is some craziness.

Lena Waithe (29:33)

I'm excited.

Kristin Davis (29:33)

Craziness. Still. It's interesting.

Lena Waithe (29:35)

Like, I forget, but I feel like everybody is gonna be there and show up and be talking. And that's the thing. There's so much disco. There's so much place to. Now. Before it was like water cooler talk at work, and now it's like everybody's like, oh, did you see it?

Kristin Davis (29:45)

Right? Which is a little scary sometimes.

Lena Waithe (29:48)

Don't be comments. You know, I. Here's the Deal. When you put work into the world, it no longer belongs to you. And what people respond to it or how they react to it is education about where we are as a society. None of it is personal. So if someone is, like, bugged by something, frustrated by something, run toward it, have that conversation. Why does that bug you? What about that makes you uncomfortable? Why don't you like this character? I think it's more about asking people, like, say, hey, why? An opinion is fair. Yeah. Cause everybody's right. If somebody says, I love this season, I hate this season. Both of y' all are right. What I always want to say is, like, give me a why.

Kristin Davis (30:23)

Right?

Lena Waithe (30:23)

Why is it not working for you? Why do you love it? Why is it? You know, Because I remember watching that first season, I was just sort of like, oh, whoa. I'm really affected emotionally, you know, by what's happening in their lives right now. And it was challenging me. It was confronting me in a way. But that's what I. Your characters have always done. So this isn't new.

Kristin Davis (30:43)

It just looks a little different.

Lena Waithe (30:44)

It's a little different. But it's a continuation of what the show has always been about.

Kristin Davis (30:48)

That's definitely how we feel. But it is interesting because the world is changing so rapidly, kind of in a back and forth almost kind of way.

Lena Waithe (30:54)

Yeah. And you gotta be careful. Cause you don't wanna get like, can we say that I love your character Always like, you know, is this politically correct? Is this. Can I say this? You gotta have that voice there.

Kristin Davis (31:02)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (31:02)

But, you know, at the end of the day, people are gonna say what they're gonna say anyway, so you just wanna. Just make something interesting.

Kristin Davis (31:06)

Absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

Lena Waithe (31:08)

Yeah.

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Lena Waithe (35:09)

Charlotte, you know what? What I'm Pretty. I think of Charlotte as old fashioned.

Kristin Davis (35:15)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (35:16)

Traditional.

Kristin Davis (35:16)

Yep.

Lena Waithe (35:17)

And very picky.

Kristin Davis (35:20)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (35:21)

When it comes to who she's going to date. Because she is thinking about the future.

Kristin Davis (35:26)

Always. Yeah. Yeah.

Lena Waithe (35:27)

So I actually have found that I am a little bit like Charlotte. Cause I'm also a romantic.

Kristin Davis (35:33)

She believes in love.

Lena Waithe (35:34)

She does, yes. Am I as optimistic as her? I don't think so. I think me neither.

Kristin Davis (35:43)

Okay.

Lena Waithe (35:44)

But I'm not a pessimist because as Baldwin says, I can't be a pessimist because I'm alive.

Kristin Davis (35:48)

Good point.

Lena Waithe (35:49)

But I always thought of myself as a little bit more like Miranda because she's such a realist and she's so grounded and she's so discerning and just like, clear. But I think the reason why I've always loved Charlotte and I think why so many people is because she is almost a fairy tale and a human. She believes in it.

Kristin Davis (36:08)

Yeah, she does believe.

Lena Waithe (36:10)

And she's willing to do whatever she has to to have it. And so I think she's very tenacious. Yes, she is. And she's also just really loving and sweet and wants to do the right thing.

Kristin Davis (36:21)

Loyal.

Lena Waithe (36:21)

Yes, very loyal. Very loyal. I am. I'm a very loyal person. And so I think I relate a lot to Charlotte, especially now as I watch the show.

Kristin Davis (36:29)

It changes, doesn't it?

Lena Waithe (36:30)

It does for all of us. You know, it depends on where you are in your life. But I. Charlotte, she's such a. She's someone you can count on. And she's someone that, you know, if you go to her, you're gonna get love.

Kristin Davis (36:42)

That's true.

Lena Waithe (36:43)

So I hope I get to be a Charlotte.

Kristin Davis (36:44)

I'm so lucky that I. That I get to play her. But you're very Charlotte. You're very Charlotte. Charlotty. I don't know if people necessarily know that, but I. I know that.

Lena Waithe (36:52)

Yeah, you do.

Kristin Davis (36:53)

You're super supportive.

Lena Waithe (36:54)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (36:54)

You're a big support system for a lot of people.

Lena Waithe (36:57)

Oh, thank you.

Kristin Davis (36:58)

Yeah. If I'm. If I'm. If I'm like stressing, I'm like, I'm gonna leave Lena a voicemail, please.

Lena Waithe (37:03)

Yes, text me. I'm on a social media break time.

Kristin Davis (37:05)

I was like panicked to my house.

Lena Waithe (37:07)

Okay.

Kristin Davis (37:07)

Do you remember that?

Lena Waithe (37:08)

I think so.

Kristin Davis (37:09)

Not gonna bring up why.

Lena Waithe (37:10)

Don't worry about it.

Kristin Davis (37:10)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (37:11)

The thing about that show is the casting is obviously divine and amazing.

Kristin Davis (37:14)

Lucked out.

Lena Waithe (37:15)

I mean, come on, you guys are giving Beatles for television. But each element is important. And I think, you know, whoever, when you walked in and they said, okay, Charlotte, not so much.

Kristin Davis (37:25)

Not so much.

Lena Waithe (37:26)

Okay. It was just one.

Kristin Davis (37:27)

They were like, yeah, Charlotte. But we don't know how important Charlotte's voice is until we got going. And they were like, oh, yes, we actually need that voice.

Lena Waithe (37:34)

But you're so good, and you bring such. And also, like, getting to know you that. That you have. You bring to her. And it's just such a needed note on those songs. So it's so lovely to see you.

Kristin Davis (37:45)

I mean, we didn't even talk about your going to class with Michael Patrick.

Lena Waithe (37:50)

Well, please. He had. You know, he schooled me. He. You know, he definitely showed me the ropes before I even met him.

Kristin Davis (37:56)

Love it.

Lena Waithe (37:57)

And then when I got to meet him, you know, he really kind of let me know how it is and is not afraid to, you know, keep me in line a little bit. But I love him, you know, he does. You know, it's like he can pull reins whenever he wants. You know, he's. It's true. I respect. I respect.

Kristin Davis (38:14)

Well, that's important. I think it is important to respect. But I also feel like the thing that I love is when you find out about how people learn to become a creator and a showrunner. Like, it is not easy.

Lena Waithe (38:25)

Yeah. There's. There's a thing called the showrunner trainee program that. That the WGA does, which I got to be a part of, which he always gives the last sort of, like, sort of class speech and. And he gave a memorable one and something I always remember, and he said the thing about the circus. I don't wanna. But he's like, yeah, you're the emcee. You're the one. And there's all these things going on, and you have to.

Kristin Davis (38:49)

And not very many people can do that.

Lena Waithe (38:51)

It's tough. And I don't do. By the way. I have showrunners who do it.

Kristin Davis (38:54)

I mean, you're the.

Lena Waithe (38:55)

And I'm the creator.

Kristin Davis (38:56)

It's big. And then you have to manage all of it.

Lena Waithe (38:59)

Yes, yes.

Kristin Davis (38:59)

You have to hire those people and make sure they're on track.

Lena Waithe (39:01)

Yeah.

Kristin Davis (39:02)

It's hard.

Lena Waithe (39:02)

It is.

Kristin Davis (39:03)

I don't know how you do it.

Lena Waithe (39:04)

Look. Cause I just learned. I saw the same names keep popping up on the. You know, Jenny Big. I would say all you guys names and stuff like that. The writers and I always paid attention to it.

Kristin Davis (39:12)

Paid a lot of attention. That's super important.

Lena Waithe (39:14)

Yeah. Kind of seeing who would come up and whose episodes I like.

Kristin Davis (39:16)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (39:17)

Yeah. And one of your writers, I think it was Cindy, who saw Me after a screening of a show. And at that point, she had seen the Thanksgiving episode. Cause the season was out. And she's like, you're gonna win an Emmy for that episode. Like, long before I even. I was like, no way. And she was like, I know these things. You're gonna win an Emmy. And I was like, okay. And. Yeah. And I'm sure she'll be like, I remember that. I called it.

Kristin Davis (39:37)

Yeah. Yeah.

Lena Waithe (39:37)

But she did.

Kristin Davis (39:38)

She's coming on soon. We gotta get her on. We're trying keep them in order of when they join. Jenny already came on.

Lena Waithe (39:43)

Of course. Because she was there.

Kristin Davis (39:44)

I heard hers.

Lena Waithe (39:45)

Exactly.

Kristin Davis (39:45)

Yeah.

Lena Waithe (39:46)

When did Cindy come in now?

Kristin Davis (39:47)

Like, yeah. Season two.

Lena Waithe (39:49)

Okay, cool.

Kristin Davis (39:50)

A couple. Next couple episodes.

Lena Waithe (39:51)

Yeah. I mean, I remember the names. I would see the names. And so, yeah. So many women. You know, I just was always like, oh, they are in there going, I know.

Kristin Davis (39:58)

And I don't think people really realize that.

Lena Waithe (39:59)

Oh, I try to shout it out as much as I can, but there was so many women in that room. Like, please get out of here. They were telling her, of course, of course, of course. Hello. Susan Bells Hill. Yes.

Kristin Davis (40:08)

Yes, absolutely. And our, you know, Lisa and Julie, who we had when they were like, 27, they started with us, and now they're, you know, co executive producers. And we love them so much, and they're so great. And it's so amazing having that youth, that youthful voice to develop with people.

Lena Waithe (40:23)

Yes. Yeah.

Kristin Davis (40:24)

It's really special to get to do that in our business.

Lena Waithe (40:27)

Yeah, it's amazing. I'm excited. I'm excited about the new season.

Kristin Davis (40:30)

Oh, I'm excited and scared. Oh, Lord. I was watching that first one, and we're. For some reason, they're doing, like, this event party. I love.

Lena Waithe (40:39)

They show it to y' all. My cast has to wait to see it. Like, we know. Yeah.

Kristin Davis (40:42)

Oh, we would riot.

Lena Waithe (40:43)

Oh, yeah. Y' all can probably pull, right. Like, they don't. They like, we ain't showing this cast. No, they gotta wait. They watch it with the audience.

Kristin Davis (40:50)

That hurts.

Lena Waithe (40:51)

I. I know.

Kristin Davis (40:52)

Wow.

Lena Waithe (40:53)

That's not my choice.

Kristin Davis (40:54)

No, I get it. Thank you, baby.

Lena Waithe (40:55)

Thank you.

Kristin Davis (40:56)

So wonderful. Gonna have to come back. I will often come on and school us.

Lena Waithe (41:01)

Yes. Whatever.

Kristin Davis (41:02)

Episode history, man. I knew you would bring that.

Lena Waithe (41:05)

Like, I'm bringing in the facts.

Kristin Davis (41:06)

I did. I love the facts.

Lena Waithe (41:08)

Yes.

Kristin Davis (41:08)

Thank you. I should have talked about more details, but your stuff was much more interesting.

Lena Waithe (41:12)

No, you killed it.

Kristin Davis (41:13)

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