We Meet Anthony with Mario Cantone... (S3 E11 "Running with Scissors")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: We Meet Anthony with Mario Cantone... (S3 E11 "Running with Scissors")

Original release: January 19, 2026
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Mario Cantone

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and engaging episode, Kristin Davis is joined by Mario Cantone to celebrate both Anthony Marentino’s first appearance on Sex and the City (Season 3, Episode 11, “Running with Scissors”) and Cantone’s lasting impact on the show. Together, they reminisce about production memories, dissect key character arcs in the episode, and explore the cultural relevance, emotional beats, and behind-the-scenes secrets from this turning-point episode.

Davis and Cantone also discuss how Sex and the City tackled complex relationship dynamics, sexual politics, and the emotional fallout for each character, all while reflecting on how their own personalities relate to Charlotte, Anthony, Miranda, and more. Laced with humor, nostalgia, and candor, this episode is a must-listen for fans keen on both story analysis and insider perspective.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mario Cantone’s First Episode: On Set, Off-Broadway, and Cut Scenes

[03:24-13:03]

• Joining the cast:
  • Mario recalls how he juggled performing in the off-Broadway show The Crumple Zone with filming his Sex and the City scenes.
  • The pressure of being on set until 4 a.m. and being starstruck by the presence of HBO executives on expensive shoots (“It was stressful and long... we were over budget.” — Kristin Davis, [04:38]).
  • The Vera Wang sequence was particularly costly and logistically tight due to the boutique’s small size.
• Cut scenes and the editing process:
  • A scene was shot but cut where Anthony rips Charlotte’s dress with scissors, directly tying to the episode title.
  • Cut scenes were a recurring challenge, even in And Just Like That.
    • “There were two scenes of ours to this last season that were cut.” — Mario Cantone, [06:46]
  • Michael Patrick King’s philosophy: “I don’t know in the edit what’s going to work.” ([07:47])

2. The Impact of Mario Cantone’s Anthony

[07:50-13:03]

• Kristin gushes: “You are just a breath of fresh air...your energy, you’re just like a blast of energy...a note that we didn’t have in the ensemble.” ([07:50])
• Cantone appeared in only 12 episodes but made a strong impression; many fans assume it was more.
• Candid about always feeling “nervousness” and “paranoid” about being funny enough, especially without a laughing crew when the cameras rolled.

3. Reflections on the Show’s Longevity and the End of “And Just Like That”

[13:03-14:50]

• Both Kristin and Mario express sadness over the current end of the franchise and wish for more seasons.
  • “People are like, how are you? I’m sad. I just wanted one more season.” — Mario Cantone, [13:08]
• Kristin hints that there might be some future project, but nothing is certain due to rights issues and lack of direction following Aidan’s storyline finish:
  • “We’re gonna do something else. I don’t think it’ll be a whole season, but I think we will do something else.” ([13:24])
  • “I don’t think that was a series finale.” — Mario Cantone, [13:14]

4. S3E11 — "Running with Scissors": Episode Deep Dive

[20:24-73:47]

Carrie's Affair and Fallout

[20:24-51:52]

• Carrie’s descent:
  • Both hosts note the gritty, unglamorous reality of her affair with Big, from sleazy hotels to emotional discomfort.
    • “As each room gets dirtier and slimier and less glamorous, so does the affair.” — Mario Cantone, [31:37]
  • Carrie’s emotional unraveling and self-loathing render the infidelity story “not soap opera” but raw and uncomfortable.
• Charlotte’s discovery and moral stance:
  • Charlotte finds out about the affair in a way that leaves her disappointed (“You’re not even thinking about [Natasha],” — Kristin Davis paraphrasing Charlotte, [22:58]).
  • Mario contextualizes Charlotte’s judgment as both concern for Natasha and protective of Carrie.
• Climactic scene with Natasha:
  • Natasha unexpectedly returns home, discovers Carrie, and is physically injured; the fallout is “so over that we need another name for over.” ([30:41])
  • The aftermath is described with empathy for all characters, especially Natasha.
    • “Carrie puts her in a cab, and Natasha tries to lock the door. Someone told me that Bridget had ad libbed that, which is super brilliant...” — Kristin Davis, [47:02]
• Aiden’s innocence:
  • The pain and complexity of Aiden not knowing the truth are highlighted.

Samantha’s HIV Scare

[52:57-57:12]

• Sam’s new paramour (Sam Robards) insists on an HIV test:
  • “As a gay man coming up in the 80s and 90s, those tests were horrifying.” — Mario Cantone, [53:39]
  • Mario and Kristin praise Kim Cattrall’s performance, especially her comedic fainting in the clinic.
• Discussion of sexual responsibility:
  • Samantha’s unapologetic sexuality is matched by her partner’s boundaries, emphasizing responsibility without shame.
    • “You don’t need to apologize for the lifestyle, but you need to take responsibility.” — Kristin Davis, [57:12]
• Samantha’s generosity:
  • Offers Charlotte a list of stylists (setting up Anthony’s arrival).

Miranda’s “Eat Me” Sandwich Guy

[67:46-70:37]

• Miranda is both annoyed and obsessed with the local sandwich mascot; it’s pure meme material.
• Cynthia Nixon’s performance and Miranda’s “height of her power” are praised.

The Essence of Each Character

[70:37-72:44]

• Kristin asks Mario who he most identifies with. After some back-and-forth, both agree that Mario (and Anthony) are more Miranda than Charlotte due to their forthright natures, but both are “squishy inside.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You are just a breath of fresh air…a note that we didn’t have in the ensemble.”
  — Kristin Davis to Mario Cantone ([07:50])
• “I just wanted one more season.”
  — Mario Cantone ([13:08])
• “As each room gets dirtier and slimier and less glamorous, so does the affair.”
  — Mario Cantone ([31:37])
• “I don’t think that was a series finale.”
  — Mario Cantone ([13:14])
• “She’s so brave…like, she just does it. But also she brings such truth. Like, it’s so real.”
  — Kristin Davis on Sarah Jessica Parker ([29:39])
• “You have to dare to be hated.”
  — Mario Cantone, quoting Bette Davis ([25:04])
• “It’s beautifully shot. It’s a movie…It’s all New York.”
  — Mario Cantone ([14:28])
• “When you crawl in bed with someone, is sex ever safe?”
  — Kristin Davis reading a Carrie quote ([69:42])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Mario’s First Episode Memories, Filming Challenges, and Cut Scenes: [03:24–07:47]
• Introduces Anthony’s Character and Impact: [07:50–13:03]
• Franchise Ending and Hopes for More: [13:03–14:50]
• S3E11 Deep Dive Begins: [20:24]
• Carrie/Big/Aiden/Charlotte Affair Fallout: [20:24–51:52]
• Samantha’s HIV Storyline: [52:57–57:12]
• Stylists & Fashion, Charlotte’s Emmy Memory: [57:12–62:39]
• Miranda’s ‘Eat Me’ Sandwich Plot & Meme Quality: [67:46–70:37]
• Charlotte vs. Miranda vs. Anthony/Mario: [70:37–72:44]
• Tribute to Michael Patrick King and Anthony: [72:44–73:47]

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Tone & Style

The episode mirrors the original humor, self-deprecation, warmth, and candidness of both Kristin Davis and Mario Cantone. Their exchange is intimate and easygoing, brimming with love for the show and appreciation for its fandom. The mutual admiration is palpable, and the conversational style is both welcoming and deeply informative for any SATC fan.

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For Listeners

This episode provides a rich blend of show lore, behind-the-scenes tales, and emotional insights—perfect for anyone who wants to revisit SATC with new eyes or learn what really happened on (and off) the set of Charlotte’s first “Anthony encounter.”

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Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? We are back for the second time with Mario Cantone, which is so fantastic because this is your first episode on the air.

[Mario Cantone]

It is, it is. I always thought it was episode 12, but it's not. It's episode 11.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And it's called Running with Scissors. But I think the reason you might have thought it was 12 is cause we shot two at once, as we always did. Right. Because in my mind I remember the other Vera Wang where the girls are there. Like there's two Vera Wang visits, but we shut them in one day.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, that's right. And I remember I came in at three in the afternoon.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Mario Cantone]

And I was in an off Broadway show at the time.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. It was called the Crumple Zone and it was ran for like six months. And it did really well, got great reviews. And I remember that particular night was one of our tech nights.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh no.

[Mario Cantone]

And they weren't gonna let me out. And I was like, you can get someone else to stand here while you light for an evening. Because I'm going.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Mario Cantone]

And I went for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

So wait, if you came in at three in the afternoon, maybe.

[Mario Cantone]

Don't you remember we filmed till 4 at night?

[Kristin Davis]

I do remember that. It was stressful and long. And I remember that our executive from HBO came and sat across from us and glared at us. I mean, not that it was our fault, but like just let it be known that we were over budget. Uh huh. Yeah. It was one of those days. There's only a few. Michael Hill. Michael Hill came and I remember that because I was like, oh, he never comes. Oh no. But I think it was expensive to shoot in Vera Wang.

[Mario Cantone]

Probably was. And it was so small. Remember how small it was?

[Kristin Davis]

Tiny. It was hard to film there.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. And also that evening was my husband's opening night of an off Broadway show he was in. It's called Bubbly Black Girl Sheds Her Chameleon Skin. And I did. I couldn't go. Yeah, it was a whole. The whole thing that week. But I remember. Yeah. We, We. You. We talked about this last time and you didn't remember it. I'm sure you remember it now because I told you last time. But there was a second scene.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I still. I still only have the Vegas memory. What was it?

[Mario Cantone]

It was. It was us, you know, where we were sitting and looking at the dresses. There was a little room in the. In the back of that with the.

[Kristin Davis]

Door and like a dressing room.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Mario Cantone]

We were in that dressing room and I was fitting you and trying to cut something with the scissors and I ended up ripping the dress, which is.

[Kristin Davis]

Really interesting because it's Running with Scissors is the title of this episode.

[Mario Cantone]

And we just glared. You glared at me and I was just like, oh. And that was the end of that scene. And that was the end of that.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, wow.

[Mario Cantone]

I don't know if that had stayed in, if we had, we would have come back and become friends.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I assume that they loved you so much that they didn't want there to be a negative thing. But I also feel this episode has so much plot in it for everyone else. Like it's a lot.

[Mario Cantone]

And the Aiden thing and. Oh, yeah, it's a lot.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so much that I feel. You know, there were times, I mean, this has always been true for us. We over overshoot. Right. We always have too much and then we have to pick and choose always.

[Mario Cantone]

Don't get me started on just like that. There were two scenes of ours to this last season that were cut.

[Kristin Davis]

No way.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, yes. Remember the. Remember the one in the. In the. The bakery? And it was after the puppet thing. And. And I said to you, I. I need to. I need to talk about the puppet more. And I was like, I was this old guy glaring at him. And you were like, well. And I was like, don't look at me like that. It's a great scene. And it got cut. And there was one. Oh, and then there was a scene at the Red Rooster between me and you before I apologized to Carrie. Oh, yeah, that was cut. Which I was furious about because it was the bridge to me apologizing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right, right. I remember that. I remember that. But we always over film. We always over film. And one time I said to Michael, Patrick, I said, couldn't we cut from the read through so that we don't. Because we're always just really basically killing ourselves to get everything filmed. And yeah, also we spend a lot of money getting everything filmed. And he said no, because I don't know in the edit what's going to work.

[Mario Cantone]

He doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't know, that's all.

[Kristin Davis]

Let me just say this about you. When I watched this first episode, because obviously I hadn't watched this episode in, you know, 30 years or whatever it is, 25 years. You are just a breath of fresh air. Like, your energy. You're just like a blast of energy. It's so refreshing and exciting. Like you're a note that we didn't have in the ensemble.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you feel that when you watch it?

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, when I watch it, I was like, wow, this. I mean, it was just. It's funny. It's good. I just. It works. And I don't know, I feel that I was. I'm happy with it when I watch, definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. I mean, you're so young also. Like, it's so funny to look at you. And me, obviously, too. But, I mean, we're little children. I don't think I felt like a little child back then. Journey, me.

[Mario Cantone]

No, you didn't.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Mario Cantone]

Neither did I. We felt like we were, you know, I mean, adult.

[Kristin Davis]

We were, you know, but.

[Mario Cantone]

Well, that was 2000. That was. We filmed that in 99.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I think we filmed it in 2000 because it's. It aired August 20th, so we would have filmed it earlier in the summer, you know, like spring, summer.

[Mario Cantone]

Yes. I was. I was 40 years old.

[Kristin Davis]

No, you look like you're 20 or 25.

[Mario Cantone]

My God, I just turned 66 last week.

[Kristin Davis]

Congratulations. Oh, my God. It was your birthday.

[Mario Cantone]

66. One more six and I'm the sign of the devil. That's right.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, this is the thing I was thinking when I'm watching, because I remember that you used to always feel, you know, you have, like, a nervousness about your work, which is always kind of adorable. That still. Still remains, really. But I remember this particular time because it was the beginning. I mean, but you're. You're so great.

[Mario Cantone]

Well, you know, this is it. You know, you're sitting there and you're doing it for the crew, and the crew is, like, hysterically laughing, and then the cameras go on and they can't laugh. So in your psychological, crazy comedic mind. My paranoid comedic mind. I'm like, well, I. I'm sucking now. I'm not doing this well.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Mario Cantone]

I'm not funny. I left. I would leave. I. I remember. I think it was season four episode. I think it was one or two where we're walking in the sailors. It's Fleet Week, you know. Yes. I remember walking away from that scene and calling Michael and Going, I didn't. I didn't. Dad, you didn't get it. Right. So would I leave you? He was like, would I let you off the set if I didn't get it?

[Kristin Davis]

He would not.

[Mario Cantone]

And then you watch it. And I'm like, okay, he got it.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely. Definitely. I do think, too, there's a couple things I thought about. One was just like, your energy is so pure and great and different. And then the other thing I realized is that you. You didn't do that many episodes of the first series. And I was wondering for you, like, did they. So you did 12 total. I'm reading my details. 12 total. Which is crazy. I would have thought it was so much more than that.

[Mario Cantone]

A lot of people think that. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And what. How did they handle it? Like, what was your thinking? Did you think you were coming back? Did you know you were coming back? How did it go?

[Mario Cantone]

I remember. Well, you know, I've known Michael Patrick King since I was in my 20s doing standup. That's how we came together. So he wrote me this. I did go in as a formality to read. And there was also that question of whether I was going to be able to get out of that. That tech, which I was like, I'm go.

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[Mario Cantone]

So. But I remember after it aired, I ran into him and John Melfi in a restaurant, and he said, do you know how many. Do you know the reaction we got from you and how many, you know, calls or letters or whatever it was back then? And I said, I don't know, but am I coming back? And you absolutely are. I said, okay. But it was. This is what it was. It was one episode, season three.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Mario Cantone]

Two episodes, season four.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Mario Cantone]

Three episodes. Season five, crazy episodes, season six.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay.

[Mario Cantone]

And then. Then. And then both movies, which kind of, you know, cemented it. But I was, you know, I was always on call, and I was always so afraid that, you know, of scheduling because they call you last minute and if you, you know, weren't available, you know, this was not a good thing. So I was horrified, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no. So you never really knew.

[Mario Cantone]

No, I didn't know when I knew I was coming back.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. You know, you know, when.

[Mario Cantone]

But it just keep. The episodes grew as the years went on, and I also. Yeah, you just. And there were. There were, you know, some Broadway shows at the time that I. That I did turn down. Not because of this, but because. No, believe me, it worked out well.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Mario Cantone]

Not because of this, but because of negotiations and whatever. You Know, sometimes they want you for a year and you're like, can I do six months? Which I think is reasonable. And they're like, no. I'm like, okay. Goodbye. So. And at that time, they did. Even now, if you're a middling name and you're not a name, they don't let you out. Broadway producers don't let you out, in my experience, to go do an episode of a show. So, you know, that could have messed me up, you know, totally. With us.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I appreciate that you were thinking of us.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, I was.

[Kristin Davis]

Because we need you.

[Mario Cantone]

I love it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. We need you so much.

[Mario Cantone]

I miss it very much.

[Kristin Davis]

I miss it too.

[Mario Cantone]

I'm very sad about it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Mario Cantone]

Honestly, like, I mean, people like, how are you? I'm like, I'm sad.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm sorry.

[Mario Cantone]

I just wanted one more season.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree. I absolutely wanted one more season too.

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[Mario Cantone]

I love them all, but I don't care what anybody says. This. That was not a series finale. It was a season finale, but that wasn't a series finale.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I agree with you, baby.

[Mario Cantone]

Not from my point of view.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree with you. I haven't watched it because I'm in denial, and I would like to remain that way. But I know what was on the page, and I know that when we. The girls and I got together for dinner, we were like, wait, what did we do? And what did we do? And we couldn't really remember, which is not a good sign. You know what I'm saying? So just so you know, this is not based on anything real in my mind. We're gonna do something else. I don't think it'll be a whole season, but I think we will do something else. But obviously, no one knows who owns us right now, you know, so there's that. That's gotta be worked out. And I don't think. Michael. Michael. I saw Michael, and he. I've seen him a couple times. He didn't. He doesn't say that, but I'm just in my. In my hopeful way, you know, going with that.

[Mario Cantone]

You're right. I like that too.

[Kristin Davis]

I like that too. I like that, too. I mean, I feel like we've been going for so long, you know, why. Why finish?

[Mario Cantone]

I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, right?

[Mario Cantone]

I know we're an expensive show, but we're worth it.

[Kristin Davis]

I think we're worth it too. Darn it.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, it's. We're worth it. And it's a. It's a. It's beautifully shot. It's a movie. I mean it's like there's no CGI or like that. It's just all New York.

[Kristin Davis]

That's right, babe. That is right.

[Mario Cantone]

Studio sets or the beautiful locations of New York City. And that's, and that's, you know, so that's, that's thrilling. And then you've got these wonderful actresses and actors and.

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[Kristin Davis]

All right, let's talk about this episode. So I. I am so totally. Every time I'm watching these episodes from this section of season three, I knew in my mind that I love season three so much. It's my favorite season, whatever. And I love the whole big Carrie thing. But there's so much I don't remember. It's like I'm watching it for the first time.

[Mario Cantone]

It's a very strong season. Not cause it's when I came in, but it's actually when I started watching it too that I had to go back. And then that season is when it really kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah. And I don't remember anything. Like, I don't remember that Carrie and Big are going to some seedy hotel. Oh my gosh. I remember that. I run into them. I don't remember any of this. I don't know where the heck my mind was.

[Mario Cantone]

Cedar and cd or the hotel.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it's so sad.

[Mario Cantone]

And you were like, what are you doing in this neighborhood?

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know. And I mean, it's also funny because is there any part of town that they wouldn't be in? Not really. You know what I mean?

[Mario Cantone]

But your reaction to. It's your disappointment, really. Oh. Your disappointment in her.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Mario Cantone]

The way, if you feel the way you say it is you're trying to be as polite as possible, but you're letting her know that you're not happy about this. You're disappointed and you're in. Because your moral character, Charlotte, is like, like you said, what if, you know, what if that happened to me?

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, I'm glad you feel that way because I don't love my work in this episode. I really don't.

[Mario Cantone]

You're nuts. You always.

[Kristin Davis]

I like me when I'm with you.

[Mario Cantone]

Right. We're both a lot of people. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true. It's true. But I mean, a lot of the times when I do look back, I'm like thrilled. Right. But there's some hard things they had me do. Like that scene. Because. Okay, so just to make sure we're including our listeners. So this is the episode where Carrie has slowly been telling the friends, right? Like she first told Samantha, because she knows Samantha's not gonna judge her.

[Mario Cantone]

She's having an affair with Big.

[Kristin Davis]

That she's having an affair with Big. Exactly. Then she. In this episode, she tells Mar. And that's a great scene. We'll get to that in a second. But then the way that Charlotte finds out, because she doesn't want to tell me, because she goes, oh, I don't want to tell Ms. Bride, because I'm getting married in, like, three weeks. I think I say, right, so. And she's right about that. Right. Because I'm in a whole, you know, basically just tizzy about, you know, getting married and being a bride, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so she does tell me. And we have a very interesting scene where I am just thinking to myself, what is happening here? And what did they say to me? Because it's interesting. I'm not mad.

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[Kristin Davis]

Like when we go to. And just like that. And Miranda has the affair with Che, that Charlotte mad. Right. Like, Michael Patrick told me to shout at her, which I did, but I was scared to do it, but I did it. But this scene, I'm like, disappointed with Carrie. And I say things like, you're not even thinking about her, which is, I think, 100% true, you know, meaning the wife, Natasha. But also feel like I don't feel. I don't know if I'm being nice to my friend Carrie in that scene. Do you think I am?

[Mario Cantone]

No, I. No, I. I just. I don't think it is. It's even about being nice, you know, it's not going to end your friendship. It's too deep. It's just. You're letting her know that I'm disappointed in you.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, this is.

[Mario Cantone]

And. And even. And even. I know you're getting married in it, but even. Even your. Even Charlotte, I think, would be disappointed anyway because she's seeing a married man. And it's also about protecting Carrie, too. Protecting her hurt. You know, that could happen any minute with this man that's married. So it makes sense.

[Kristin Davis]

It's a big mess. It's a big mess for sure. And I mean, definitely, like, when. When, you know, the whole time, when we find out that he's engaged and, you know, I read it in the paper and I don't want her to know. And yes, I definitely seem like I want to protect her, but I mean, when I watch that scene, it's like, ooh, it makes me. I feel uncomfortable watching the scene between me and Carrie, you know?

[Mario Cantone]

You know, look, here's the thing. Whether people, fans, as the character Charlotte, whether they think you're too judgmental they hate you for it or they're on your side. It's gonna be all different kinds of opinions about it. That's the way it is and that's what makes it great.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's true. Totally. And I also feel when I'm watching it that I. That that's when I'm reminded that Charlotte is an important point of view because it is different. Everyone has a different point of view. Which is.

[Mario Cantone]

You stay in your lane.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Which is really good. But I. But I. I'm never sure if I really. I feel like also this was the time when they used to tell me that Charlotte wouldn't get mad. Right. Like, which is also kind of weird.

[Mario Cantone]

No, she get mad. She. Everyone does. And right people, you have to. As Betty Davis said, you have to dare to be hated.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Mario Cantone]

And that's what it's all about. I mean, look, I had so many especially gay women. Not so much. But gay men would come up to me and say, you know, you play an.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Mario Cantone]

And he was definitely much more blunt. You know, when I was with you, there was that scene I was watching that someone just posted when we were eating a cafeteria. And we run into. It's another season, not this episode. Run into Stani and. And his friend Marcus.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Mario Cantone]

And. And I tell you that he's a poker. And that. And. And then I'm telling him like, you know, he's like, I. I didn't go to the prom. I'm like, because you were gay. And I'm brutal to him, but it's hilarious at the same time. But it's interesting how different people view it. Like, women thought it was funny. And Charlie and Blunt and gay men were like, you're an. It was. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Interesting.

[Mario Cantone]

It's okay. It's. You gotta just. But me. And then look. And then in the. In just like that. We all. For the. For the good or the bad, we all evolved. We all became grown ups. And either our anxieties grew or we kind of were more relaxed or we were more. You know. I feel like Anthony wasn't as. He's still blunt, but he wasn't as rude. He definitely evolved more.

[Kristin Davis]

I think you're right. I had not thought about that.

[Mario Cantone]

You know, And I remember first saying Michael, when I. With the bakery, I'm like, so am I going to be messing around with these guys at the bakery? Because he was such a promiscuous character. And he was like, no, no, you don't. You don't. Where you eat.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Mario Cantone]

And you've evolved And I just start.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. You grew up. Definitely.

[Mario Cantone]

You became a married woman with a solid marriage and kids and chaos.

[Kristin Davis]

Definitely.

[Mario Cantone]

You dealt with that brilliantly. I told you that. How? You made me laugh out loud a lot. Really.

[Kristin Davis]

Funny.

[Mario Cantone]

The premiere of the second. The second season with you. The downsized premiere.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The writer's strike premiere.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, the writers.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Yep.

[Mario Cantone]

I. I remember saying to you, so thank you, baby. And you had beautiful things to say about me. You said it to me first, but I was. Didn't say it because you said it to me. I was like.

[Kristin Davis]

You'Re so funny, but you're so hard on yourself and you're. You're. It cracks me up. But you did obviously have a lot of challenges. I. The thing that I thought about when I was watching this episode, there's a scene where. The coffee shop scene. I've got this stack of magazines, the bridal magazines. And you see. Exactly. That scene almost killed me with the props. We've all been there. We've all been there in the prop scenes. Okay. You know, it's hard. And this was Dennis Erdman directing. Do you remember Dennis?

[Mario Cantone]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And I had forgotten that this is when Dennis shows up to direct.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. He was Darren's partner.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, he was. And I thought it was good.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, yeah, he was great. He was lovely to work with. I had a great time.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, he's a sweet guy.

[Mario Cantone]

It was just a late night, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, every night was a late night.

[Mario Cantone]

And I don't think the other thing about that second scene that got cut, I was told that, you know, it was so late and they didn't get enough coverage and.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Mario Cantone]

Which was another reason why they. They cut it.

[Kristin Davis]

So it just got it.

[Mario Cantone]

You know, when you get up to 4, 4am it can get wonky, as you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. Yes. I mean, how we functioned at all is amazing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember the exhaustion. I think that's why I don't remember everything now because I'm just, like, so past tired, you know, But. But, you know, all good. All good. Okay, wait, let's go. Let's go. In order. So Carrie's storyline, super fascinating. Didn't remember this at all. And I think it really, really seems to like the vibe of having an affair, which I think is great that they brought it because previously, like, when they were in the Stanhope, like, it's kind of gorgeous, right? Like, Charles McDougall filmed that. And it's so cinematic and beautiful. And now we see, like, the gritty reality of having to hide. And, like, they're cranky with each other. He's like, I've got to be at work in 40 minutes.

[Mario Cantone]

40 minutes. And it's just like, okay, this is. They're just hitting it.

[Kristin Davis]

And then I know their lives, I think, very ache. No wonder she feels so terrible.

[Mario Cantone]

No. And there she goes. You know, it's like I said, you know, dare to be hated. That's. That's judged, too.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. And I mean, she's so brave. Like, she just does it. She does. But also she brings such truth. Like, it's so real, you know?

[Mario Cantone]

Fantastic. Sarah Jessica's magnificent.

[Kristin Davis]

Beyond, beyond, beyond. And so gorgeous.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, she looks gorgeous. And such good performance. And Chris is wonderful.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so good. He's so good. But also, I did hate him, you.

[Mario Cantone]

Know, of course, of course. Because, you know, he. He was messing with your best friend.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah. And also when he's like, oh, I'm gonna tell her. And she said, but are you really? I mean, it's a very interesting dynamic of, like, on the one hand, she kind of seems like she wants, and on the other hand, she doesn't. And then the thing that I didn't remember at all, and people do bring this up to me, and I'm always like, I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm jumping to the end, but we're going to talk about Natasha. But before we do, when at the very end, she says, we're so over that we need another name for over. Another word for over. It's such a great line. And people talk to me about that and I'm like, I don't know when that happens, but okay, it happens here, and rightly so, because ick. A million times ick on this situation.

[Mario Cantone]

It's boy. And. And. And, I mean, was he really gonna call her?

[Kristin Davis]

I don't think he was. I think he's, like, daring her. Like, they have such a weird, like, like, I dare you type, you know, thing. But then she doesn't really want him to, and she says, I need more time. It's so interestingly written. I mean, what a fantastic. Michael Patrick wrote this one, and it's just incredible. It's so, so, so, so incredibly good. Okay, so let's talk about Carrie from the beginning. So she's having the affair. It. It's elegant. To really, really bad hotels. They're. They're complaining. Then, oh, he seems jealous. And he says to her something like, you know, are you you know, saving it for the boyfriend or whatever. And she's like, don't talk to me like that. I'm like, oh, God, I'm so scared. I'm so scared. It's ick. It's so ick. But it's also so real, you know? I feel like they're, like, peeling layers of each other off. Do you know what I mean? To the reality of who they are.

[Mario Cantone]

As each room gets dirtier and slimier and less glamorous, so does the affair, definitely.

[Kristin Davis]

And I think that's so beautifully done and so accurate because affairs are horrible.

[Mario Cantone]

And then the Natasha stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Ooh, let's not get there yet. Let's talk about when she tells Miranda, because I love this scene.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So much. I look forward, now that I'm rewatching, as a fan more so. Right. I always look forward to a Carrie Miranda scene because they're super amazing and you never quite know who's gonna be what way, you know? You know that Miranda's gonna tell it like it is, right? Oh, yeah. But, like, when she says, I have to tell you something, Miranda's like, well, now I'm scared. Like, it's so. They're so great together. They're so great together and just the different vibe. And I like how Miranda handles finding out because she is equally telling it like, it is like, you know, this is a horrible mistake. But also, she's worried for Carrie, you know, and she's not judgmental. I mean, she's definitely telling her, don't do it. But she's not like, you're a bad person. You know what I'm saying?

[Mario Cantone]

And because Carrie says to her, you're gonna hate me for this. And she kind of does a disclaimer before, because she knows what. What she's like and how she's gonna feel, right? Doesn't come at her, I think, because there was a buffer there. Definitely knows that she doesn't want the whole truth from her. So she says it. But I think she leaves stuff out that she's feeling and thinking, I think, for sure.

[Kristin Davis]

I think for sure. But I think it's nice how she handles it. You know what I'm saying? Like, because Carrie's obviously troubled. It's not like Carrie's like, I'm having an affair, and it's great. She's saying, I know it's terrible. What do I do? I don't know. And she says, you stop. Right? Which obviously Carrie doesn't do. But then they cut to Carrie and Aiden. This killed Me, I don't remember any of this. And he's kissing her and, like, going like, mmm. And she's just wants to jump out of her skin. Oh, I just felt that, like, to my core. It's awful. Like, I can't even believe that she just doesn't just fully bail. But, you know, she kind of does in a certain way. But like, to say to your person who's, you know, supposedly a person who doesn't know that you're doing this other thing that you don't like the sound he's making while he's kissing you. I don't think I would do that.

[Mario Cantone]

No. No, I wouldn't.

[Kristin Davis]

No, it's. It's. It's tough. Like, the fact that he, you know, tries his best to be like, oh, okay, I won't make that sound. I'm like, aiden, what a sweetheart. Oh, my God.

[Mario Cantone]

You know, she's. She's not nice to the one that's very caring to her. And she's nicer to the one that's a son of a bitch. I know, too, because he's an.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. It's kind of. But it's also just. She's so relatable. But also I feel for her because she's so stuck. Like, on the one hand, she feels horrible, and they're, like, cranky with each other over at the affair. And then she doesn't like the sound Aiden's making, and she tells him, and then he's like, oh, it's just so. Everything's so uncomfortable for her. And she does it so brilliantly. So brilliantly. But it really made me uncomfortable watching it even. Right? Like, I was just like, oh, I just want to jump out of my own skin.

[Mario Cantone]

It's really uncomfortable.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I was like, see, this is why I'm not in a relationship.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It was one of those moments. I want to get one of these jams. I want to get one of these jams. Because you're trying to take care of yourself, but then you're also trying to take care of the other people. But then you're also just like, everything's bad. You know? Everything's bad. God, it stressed me out a lot watching it.

[Mario Cantone]

It was stressful.

[Kristin Davis]

But it was just so good, though. And I also feel like, what other television show can you think of? I mean, I'm sure there's gotta be some somewhere. But, like, it's so rare to be able to see this done in a not soap opera y way.

[Mario Cantone]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Like, the Reality of the feelings.

[Mario Cantone]

No, the last thing it was was soap opera. No, it's so good that no other show had.

[Kristin Davis]

It's amazing to me. I mean, I kind of knew, but like rewatching, I'm like, wow, that's why it holds up.

[Mario Cantone]

It's, you know, and each scene with Adrian Aiden throughout that episode got more and more uncomfortable.

[Kristin Davis]

It's like, he's gonna go and he's gotta go. He's gotta go.

[Mario Cantone]

He's gonna leave because it's too. It's awful, you know, stifled and can't be shut down.

[Kristin Davis]

Isn't it the worst? Oh, it's the worst. I know. I really fell for Aiden. I really, really felt for Aiden this whole time. I didn't feel for Big though. But that's okay.

[Mario Cantone]

Well.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh wait, what about the time when she's in the really seedy hotel room lobby and the guy thinks she's a hooker? Oh my God. This is the second time in the show that someone has thought Carrie is a hooker, you guys. What on earth? In the first season.

[Mario Cantone]

She's furious about it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And rightly so. Rightly so. Oh my God. And that's when they come out and I run into them and they're of course very, very chagrined and I'm kind of polite. Ish. But it's awkward. You ever get in a car and think, okay, this changes everything. That's exactly how I felt getting into the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid. Now, I know hybrid SUV probably makes you think fuel economy first. Which by the way, yes, the thing gets up to 600 plus miles of range, but that is just scratching the surface. The new Palisade hybrid is redefining what it means to drive an suv. For starters, let's talk about interior space. It's class leading, which is just a fancy way of saying that the whole crew and everyone's going to be comfy. You've got seating for seven or eight passengers and yes, that available third row power seating that reclines. Game changer. There are available front and second row relaxation seats. Basically a spa day on wheels. And an available class exclusive blind spot view monitor that shows you a video feed of your blind spot right in the dash. How smart is that? There's even an available class exclusive built in dash cam. So whether it's a scenic drive or someone cuts you off and pretends like it didn't happen, you've got the receipts. And if you're all about the sound experience like me, the available Bose 14 speaker audio system is going to blow you away. I also love the tech forward touches like standard 100 watt USB C ports because fast charging is non negotiable these days and the standard passenger talk intercom that lets you chat with people in the back without yelling. Ah moms, you know what I'm talking about. Ready to upgrade your ride? Learn more about the Hyundai [e-mail] Call 562-314-4603 for complete details. Before all the algorithm fed blah and the endless sea of dupes, shopping used to feel more fun. But here's a confession. Are you a Charlotte listener? You can find that fun feeling again on ebay. Because on ebay it's not just shopping, it's a full on fashion pursuit. And when you find the thing that adrenaline hit is real. I went on to ebay to look for a super special vintage jacket for Charlotte to wear to the gallery and I found the most amazing Mugler jacket and the costume department loved it and it felt so good and I still have it at home. Like when you score that rare Adidas collab that's lived on your mood board or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over. Yeah, those. It's about the thrill and the pursuit of finding those pieces that feel like you. There's always more to discover. Ebay has millions of pre loved finds from hundreds of brands backed by ebay. Authenticity guarantee eBay things people love Support.

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[Kristin Davis]

Then you see me packing, which I didn't remember this at all either. I'm pack to move to Trey's when, when Carrie and I have the scene. I'm packing up and she's just standing there and she's kind of theoretically helping me, but she's mostly just standing there. But that's why I get to wear jeans and T shirt. Because Pat Field really never wanted me to wear jeans and T shirt. I'm wearing jeans and T shirt and like my own Adidas or Dr. Scholl's flip flops. I don't know which one it is. I couldn't see.

[Mario Cantone]

But look, you look great.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I remember not feeling great whenever I did get to wear jeans because she believed that I should really never wear jeans. But I did. I did look back and think like I am so dumb that I didn't feel great like stupid woman.

[Mario Cantone]

Because you don't know what you look like. That's why.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't. I don't. And I certainly didn't then at all.

[Mario Cantone]

At all.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I didn't.

[Mario Cantone]

And so when you. Yeah, and I think you needed to also because the show is so much about fashion. It's like, well, why aren't I in something?

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, I wanted to be in jeans. I mean I was exhausted by those clothes. You Know what I'm saying? Like, it was so much. And you know how I dress in life, right? Like, I just, you know, I try to look nice for the podcast, but, you know, I would love to be in, like, my same sweater and my same jeans every single day. It would be great. I don't think I'd want to be on that in a TV show. Right. But, like, the height of all of it was, like, a lot, you know, obviously. I mean, now I love it more, but back then, I just remember, like, oh, thank God I can wear jeans. Very exciting.

[Mario Cantone]

You know, ask Danny and Molly. I hate fittings. I'm going to do something out. Hate them, Hate them. I'm just. I do it as fast as I can. I mean, I'm. I, I, I, I, I tell them what I like and what I don't like. But I'm not crazy picky about my.

[Kristin Davis]

Clothes, which is great. And I'm sure that's refreshing for them.

[Mario Cantone]

No. Oh, yeah. Just, you know, give me something that that works. And, and, like, you know, also, I was like, I, I would, like, by the second season, I was like, just give me stuff that I'm gonna like to wear, but I'm not gonna want to take home.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Mario Cantone]

So. But then I took home stuff. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I was like, why wouldn't you want to have stuff you'd want to take?

[Mario Cantone]

I did. Well, the first season, I did. And I. And I, I, I took. I took what, what, what I wanted. But, you know, Michael liked me in black a lot. And there was one time, and just like that, I think it was the party you had that I had, like, a light pink jacket on with flowers. Oh, I've never that. And I loved it. And I was like, I took that.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, that's good.

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[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. So, yeah. But it was a lot of blues and blacks, which I.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, I also think, like, they have their color palette for each, you know, character, and they have to have us be, you know, somewhat in sync when we're together. Right. So, like, everyone can't be wearing black all the time unless it's a black occasion, obviously.

[Mario Cantone]

And Michael was very picky about what Anthony wore. He was way more picky about than I was.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. Molly told me that.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. Wow, wow, wow. I love to hear that. That's interesting. Okay, now we get to the part.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

When Natasha. So basically, they're in the CD hotels, and apparently there's some scenes that we don't see where Carrie's like, I don't want to be in the city hotels.

[Mario Cantone]

Let's.

[Kristin Davis]

Let's. We have to be at someone's house. Right?

[Mario Cantone]

Let's do it.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Mario Cantone]

Who knows? It might have been written.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, Right. They might have had a scene that got cut. Who knows? But they're at his beige house because everything's beige now. And they're in the beige bed. She's in the beige bed. He's got to go to work. He goes to work, and she's in this kind of like, pink bra, rummaging through the fridge. And she hears Natasha come home from the Hamptons early.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, yeah, she came home early from the Hamptons. That's right.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. He thinks she's in the Hamptons and she's gonna stay there because he says he's gonna call her on Monday. Which I thought was also such an odd comment from him. This is when he says, I'm gonna call her on Monday. And she goes. You know, this is when she says, no, she needs more time or whatever. Right. And then Natasha comes in and she tries to get out the back service entrance, which is how apartments are. And if we had were on the air now, everyone would be complaining about the back door. But that is actually how apartments are in big, big old buildings in New York City.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, yeah. There's kitchen entrances.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. It's the service entrance. That's what they would call it. And it would go to an elevator that's in the back where you could bring furniture up or whatever. Different, you know, things like workmen would come up in the back elevator. There's rules in these kinds of buildings. Deliveries. Exactly, exactly. So Carrie's trying to get out the back, but the chain lock is on and she can't get out. So then she gets out and she's running down the stairs. And Natasha, in her beautiful white outfit, which is. I think all she wears is running down after her and falls on her face.

[Mario Cantone]

She sees her before she goes to.

[Kristin Davis]

The door, and she says, carrie, Carrie, I knew you were having an affair, but not in my house. Oh, my God. So upsetting. So upsetting on her face. On that beautiful face.

[Mario Cantone]

And Carrie runs up to her like, what?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, thank God.

[Mario Cantone]

And he lifts her head and the blood.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, there's so much blood.

[Mario Cantone]

And they put. She puts her in a cab.

[Kristin Davis]

She puts her in a cab. And then someone told me, I believe, because we talked to Bridget earlier, and Bridget couldn't remember if she had ad libbed. She. Carrie puts her in a cab and is trying to tell the cab to go to the nearest hospital. And Bridget is trying to lock. Natasha is trying to lock the door so Carrie can't get in. And someone told me that they listened to Michael Patrick's dvd, you know, narrative of it, and that Bridget had ad libbed that, which is super brilliant. Super brilliant. But the windows rolled down so she's like frantically trying to. It's a funny kind of thing. And so Carrie just gets in the front, which is very cool. I love this whole sequence. And then it's so good when they cut to the hospital and you see Big coming in. But he obviously doesn't know Carrie's there. And the look on his face when he sees Carrie there because probably Natasha killed him or the doctors called him or someone called him. Right. He doesn't realize Carrie's there. And he sees her. It's such a good moment. He stops, he sees Carrie. The look on her face. Oh, it's just like, well, she's done then, done. And like so sad and upset of how it's actually gone down. And I love how in the beginning of the episode before this happens, there's a lot of talk about, like with Miranda and I think with me also, I mean. Cause Carrie's like, couldn't we just get out of it with no one getting hurt? No one for the wiser. She says this to Miranda and I'm like, no, no, you can't get out of it with no one getting hurt. And Miranda's basically no you. And then who gets actually physically hurt? Natasha. It's so perfect. Yeah, it's so good. So, so good. Oh my God.

[Mario Cantone]

But she gets her there. She gets her there. She makes her.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank God. Yes.

[Mario Cantone]

She had to go with her.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, definitely. Oh, we would have been very, very angry with Carrie if she hadn't gone with her.

[Mario Cantone]

Go in a cab and be like, bye.

[Kristin Davis]

No, she would never do that. She would never do that because she's not a bad person. That's what's so great about it.

[Mario Cantone]

Well, she runs right up to her on the stairs. I mean, she's very caring. She didn't keep running. No, of course she's very caring. And she really. Oh, boy, that's brutal. And then, and then it's over.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And then it's so over that we need a new word for over. And that's so good. It's such a good line. It's such a. Such a good line. And she delivers it so beautifully. And her face is just like. Like she's just empty of feeling, you know, like it's been too much. It's so, so incredibly good.

[Mario Cantone]

Let's see.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it.

[Mario Cantone]

It's a great episode. It's a rare. I didn't realize how it was.

[Kristin Davis]

And then she goes home, and Aiden's there.

[Mario Cantone]

Oh, God.

[Kristin Davis]

And he looks so adorable. And he says, where were you all day? And she says she was at a museum.

[Mario Cantone]

The museum.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And he says, how was it? And she said, good, which is kind of funny. And then she goes in her bathroom, but she shuts all the doors. She says she has to wash her face and she shuts all the doors so she can, like, have a moment to recover. But I did feel. I did feel, because Aiden is like, you know, he's. He's fine. Like, the fact that Aiden could have been kind of, you know, somehow able to emotionally regulate himself after she's been so weird to him and messed up is kind of impressive, I think.

[Mario Cantone]

Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, he. He. He was kind of very forgiving.

[Kristin Davis]

Very forgiving.

[Mario Cantone]

And. And. And I'm sure she was very relieved he was there, even though it was, you know, a tough day. But for sure, he is. So how reassuring is that for Carrie, too?

[Kristin Davis]

I agree. I agree. But then I believe it's the next episode that I get married and they break up. So it's a little window. But I also totally understand why she feels so horrible that he doesn't know. I get it. I get it. I mean, it's a really tough. It's a really tough thing. Like, I don't know, like, if you just cheated, like. Like. Like a weird moment of cheating, that would be one thing. But this is a whole emotional. Like, this is her ex with unfinished business. It's so much more. I totally get why she feels like she has to tell him in the next episode. Do you?

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because this. This just layers of guilt.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can't move forward feeling like they don't know who you are, that you're. You know, that you did this and that you're sorry.

[Mario Cantone]

That's the next episode.

[Kristin Davis]

But, yeah, I know it. I know.

[Mario Cantone]

These two men just continued in her life through all of it, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I know, I know, I know.

[Mario Cantone]

Through both iterations. That's fascinating to me. I love it. It's. And the fans love it too. You know, they. They're all. They're either team Big or Team T Maiden, but they. It's. Which is why I think it was so split. And they just. They kept them both in because they were both. So those relationships were both so popular with. With the audience.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, also, I just think they are so interestingly different, and it's a different part of her that gets emotional evolve, like, that comes out with each one. But it's side note, and I. This also is not based on anything that anyone said to me. It's my own feeling. I do feel like that's part of the reason that we ended. And just like that is because we really, really ended. Aiden.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Sorry for anyone that I'm giving anything away. But, like, once Aiden was really done, I feel like creatively there was like a emptiness that. That Michael and Sarah Jessica didn't have an immediate answer for. Do you know what I'm saying? And I don't know, they need to have that creative motor driving them of like, we're going here. You know what I'm saying? And they didn't have that. And I think that they need that. That's how they operate. But the two of them together as a good partnership, a good creative partnership. Anyway, side note, of course. So here we are. Let's go back. Well, I want to know what you think of Samantha's storyline, getting the HIV test. What did you think of this?

[Mario Cantone]

Well, the fact that she thought she was being taken into that little room and the way she fainted was so brilliant.

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't remember any of this.

[Mario Cantone]

She's magnificent in this episode. Also, because it's such a thing that I have sex and I'm fine, I'm clean, I'm not diseased, that whole thing. And then she's confronted by a guy who has as much sex with, and she does, and he's like, I'm not gonna do this if you don't get tested. And then. So she wants him so badly that it makes her go get tested. And it's horrifying. I mean, look, as a gay man coming up in the. In the 80s and 90s, you know, they're. That those tests were horrifying. Horrifying.

[Kristin Davis]

Scary.

[Mario Cantone]

Think about it. You know, it's. Yeah. And being taken into that little room, whatever. But the way she fell, it's the fainting that I was like, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, I know.

[Mario Cantone]

You just. She just thought she was gonna get the death sentence.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, so scary. So, so scary. And she faints very beautifully.

[Mario Cantone]

It's.

[Kristin Davis]

I like the shot a lot. Like, it's the angle and the way.

[Mario Cantone]

She falls and all those.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah. She hits the medical cart so all the. The tools fall. It's really good. It's really, really good. I don't think I ever went to one of those centers to get tested, so I never didn't. Never. I think I got tested at, like.

[Mario Cantone]

Doctor. Doctor.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Did you go to one of those places?

[Mario Cantone]

No, I had a doctor. Doctor.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's kind of intense to go to one of those places, I think, you know.

[Mario Cantone]

No, exactly. This is, you know, you're lucky, you know, privilege to be able to have. They can. I'm privileged to be able to have a doctor.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Mario Cantone]

You know, that I've been going through the years, and I. It was very comforting and, you know, you're gonna be fine. And, you know. And that's. He was right. You know, that's the way it went.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Thank God.

[Mario Cantone]

Thank God. Thank God. Yeah. But those, like, those clinics are your number. At those clinics. Although the nurse that she was dealing with was very kind and very comforting.

[Kristin Davis]

I know she was kind of comforting, but apparently she was trying to take her in the back room so he could. She could lecture her about her sex life, which is not good. Not good because she also scared the bejesus out of her and made poor Samantha fain. But this is what I love so much. So the guy that she's with is played by Sam Robards, who I feel like. Did anyone look up if he's related to Jason Robards? Yes, he's Jason Robards son.

[Mario Cantone]

Jason Robards son, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Remember Jason Robards? Incredible, incredible actor. And I remember. I think they wanted something like someone really amazing to play kind of the male version of Samantha that she would, of course, really want and vibe with. But also, I love how he is with her.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, you know, he's very sexual, but he won't do it.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, he has such a great. Like, he's so open, but also in the way that Samantha is. Right. Because Amanda's so open about her sexuality and unapologetic. But also he's got such clear boundaries. Right. But he also has this swing. Like, he's interesting and fun, but also, like. No, no, you have to have an AIDS test. What do you mean you have an AIDS test? I like the whole thing so much.

[Mario Cantone]

Me, too. And they were meeting, you know, they were meeting the. The male and female. The male and female equivalent of each other sexually.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. I wish he could have stayed. Wouldn't that have been interesting? Like, what would have happened?

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. Well, they're both. Well, they both would have cheated on each other eventually.

[Kristin Davis]

That's probably true. But at Least it would have been mutual. Right? So maybe, whatever. I don't know. But I really loved him, and I. I just vaguely remember that because she has so many incredibly beautiful guys. Right. And always really good as well. But I do remember that they really wanted him to be special. And I did think that Sam Robards did a fantastic job, and I wish we had. Had had more of him in the show, but I do love that we did this whole episode. I'd kind of forgotten about it, but I do think it's so important to show kind of the reality of, you know, her. The way that her lifestyle, you know what I'm saying? That, like, you do need to actually take responsibility for yourself within that lifestyle. You don't need to apologize for the lifestyle, but you need to take responsibility.

[Mario Cantone]

And this thing where you're all, you know, saying that you. Whether you've been tested or not in your lifetime for hiv, and. And you don't. You. You're like. You don't even say anything because you're, like, too busy with the magazines and.

[Kristin Davis]

You'Re like, well, I'm in Bride World, and I don't want anything to come into Bride World.

[Mario Cantone]

No. And you don't even have to ask Charlotte that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, I know. But in reality, Charlotte got around quite a bit and did need to have an AIDS test. And I'm sure she did it, or ob GYN or whatever, but way too.

[Mario Cantone]

Busy with her magazines.

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly. Because at that point, she's got. She's got. She's got the stack of magazines. And also, Charlotte apparently has never heard of stylists, which is really funny.

[Mario Cantone]

I was interested in when Samantha said, I'll send you a list of styles. So I wonder if I was on that list.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course you were. That's how we got you with you.

[Mario Cantone]

Which I never realized that until.

[Kristin Davis]

I know I didn't. I didn't remember that at all either. And I also just think it's so funny. But I do think also at this point in time, it wasn't like it is now, where you're always hearing about actors, stylists, and the stylists are big names themselves. And, you know, everything's like, everyone's very aware. It was not like that back then. I didn't have a stylist at this point in life.

[Mario Cantone]

No, no, no, no. It wasn't like that. But I didn't either.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no, no. Because we're about to get nominated for our first Emmy. In fact, we might. This might be around the time I feel like the Nominations for the Emmys come out in August because the awards were in September. I feel like this is around the time that we got nominated for the show the first time, which was, like, the most thrilling thing that ever happened.

[Mario Cantone]

Season three, right? Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Yes. And then we didn't win that first year. Maybe Sarah Jessica won, but we didn't win till the next year, which was the semi emmys because of 9 11, right? So Kim and I were there alone. Sarah and Cynthia, I think, were both doing plays, but they had pushed the Emmys, you know, because we didn't feel like it was appropriate that it's the next year. But we got nominated this year, and we go and we present. And the reason that I remember all this is because I didn't have a stylist. I had a publicist, but I didn't have a stylist. And I. I was like, oh, so stressed about what to wear. I mean, so stressed. And I went to all of these designers that my publicist would call them, I think, And I would go, just me. I would just show up, and they would. Everyone would be like, oh, you should definitely wear this one. This is amazing. You need to be sexy. So, like, at one point, I had this Michael Kors dress that was very cut out and very sexy because I played the not sexy one, right? So there were certain people in the fashion world who felt like I needed to dress, like, aggressively sexy, right? But my publicist at the time felt like, no, no, that is not true. You are on a show called Sex in the City. You need to look like a princess. She said to me. I was like, oh, okay, a princess. I don't know. So then I went to a different designer. I had, like, a ball gown on, right? So I had a stack of Polaroids that I just went around town. I went to my manager. I was like, look at all these Polaroids. Tell me which one I should wear.

[Mario Cantone]

Wear.

[Kristin Davis]

Then I would go to my publicist. I say, look at all my Polaroids and tell me what I should wear. I go to my agents, Please tell me what. But of course, everyone had a different opinion, right? So I had gone to Valentino in. In one of these fittings and had put on a gorgeous dress that I loved that I would have been done with. Then everyone had different opinions and got me very, very confused. So at the very last minute, my publicist said, you know, you should go to this stylist. I'm not gonna say who she was. And so I go to the stylist, who is very Much the hotel stylist at the time, and she had this apartment, like, condo. I went to her for the fitting, and in the center of the room was a mountain of gowns on the floor. And I was like, oh, no. So I was standing in the corner, like, really just trying to contain myself, because I wanted to pick them all up and hang them all up. I was so stressed. And there were all these gowns that I had seen pictures of and looked at, but this stylist was hoarding them, basically right. For her clients. And I was like, should I try some of them on that are on the floor? Like, what should I do? So eventually, what happened was I ended up wearing the Valentino that I had already tried on by myself, which was so ridiculous. It was a really interesting first stylist experience because it did really teach me a lot. Like, there's. There's a lot of drama in the stylist world.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. Oh, I bet. This is why I, like, slap on a nice tuxedo. The man can do that and just go.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true. I don't know if that's true now, though, because now, oh, there's a lot of commentary online. Oh, my gosh. You don't want those guys to be mad at you.

[Mario Cantone]

No, it's true. But you know what? I'm. It's exhausting, as you know.

[Kristin Davis]

It is exhausting. It's true.

[Mario Cantone]

The only award show I ever went to was during this was the SAG Awards. We were.

[Kristin Davis]

They're the best.

[Mario Cantone]

And we won one year.

[Kristin Davis]

We did. We won two years because I've got two SAG Awards at my house, I think.

[Mario Cantone]

Do we. Do we win ensemble? Yeah, I know that. But did we win? I wonder if I was there. The first. The first. The first time we won.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know. They all blend in my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But really fun. So much fun to go to all those things. Anyway, I think it's so funny that Charlotte had never heard of getting a stylist. And thank God Samantha tells her. And then I get you. Yep, it all worked out. It all worked out.

[Mario Cantone]

I was the faux stylist for you.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. You were great. You were perfect, and you had a big personality, like. Like stylist do.

[Mario Cantone]

But I was also thinking, like, when I was like, the lace applique, I didn't know what that was.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, you pulled it off.

[Mario Cantone]

I had to learn that. And. And just. Just memorize it. I. I. Like I said I'd never. I couldn't be a. I Couldn't pick out your shoes and your dress. Girls would come up to me like, I wish you picked out my dresses. You wouldn't want that. You wouldn't want me. Your wedding. I, you know, and then when I became a baker, it's like that's what I really do in real life.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay. Yay. Yes. You evolved.

[Mario Cantone]

That was like, that's, that's what I.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Mario Cantone]

And then she becomes obsessed with him. She's pissed off at first Then she becomes, like, stressed to complain about her. And they're like, well, he's a sandwich. So that's what they say.

[Kristin Davis]

She goes in. She's very. Me too. She goes in and she's like, your sandwich is harassing women. And he's like, you're crazy, woman. Which is, of course, exactly what everyone would say to you back then. But then she fantasizes about him and wants to meet him, which is fully insane. Okay? Fully bonkers.

[Mario Cantone]

Take off your mask.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. And then he's like this kind of. This kid. He's adorable. But why? Why she has such a negative reaction when he's. This kid is interesting to me. Like, what did she think he was gonna be?

[Mario Cantone]

I don't know. Maybe of interest to her. It was cute, but she was like, oh, he's a baby. Bye.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, Right. But also, Miranda looks so incredible in these outfits on the street. Like, she's, like, at the height of her, like, power, you know?

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, this is good. Listen to. I would just want to say Carrie's. Carrie's. I love to say Carrie's. You know, when she's wondering about her things in the apartment. It's really good. Good. Later that night, I got to thinking about safe sex. Odd how only when our physical life is at risk do we follow certain guidelines to protect ourselves. But what about our emotional lives? Wouldn't it be nice if there was a pamphlet to warn us what unsafe behavior might be high risk to ourselves or our relationships? And even if you fake. Even if you take precautions and emotionally try to protect yourself when you crawl in bed with someone, is sex ever safe? But also, I think it's so true. Because I don't feel like sex is ever safe, personally. Emotionally. Emotionally. You know what I mean? I'm not good. I'm not good at covering it all up and playing the game and whatever. It's just too much.

[Mario Cantone]

Men can separate it. Women. It's emotional.

[Kristin Davis]

I know it. I know it. I know it. I think I've asked you before. It's always interesting to ask people again, though, because sometimes you change your mind. Mind. Do you feel like you're a Charlotte?

[Mario Cantone]

I feel like. No, I. You know, like your mother or your father. I have elements of both of them.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Mario Cantone]

So I feel like. I feel, in a way, I speak my mind. And so Charlotte, for the most part, but she.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I think that's Miranda. I would say. I would say speaking one's mind would be like a Miranda.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Don't you think?

[Mario Cantone]

I guess I probably Am a Miranda.

[Kristin Davis]

I kind of think you're a Miranda.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Kristin Davis]

Because, like, the thing that I love, though, about Miranda Miranda is, like, on the one hand, everyone goes like, oh, she's, you know, she's kind of hard and whatever, but, like, she also is so squishy inside, which is so true about you and.

[Mario Cantone]

Yes. And to the people that I love.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Mario Cantone]

I am pointed about what I need to let them know if.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, but you're inside like a squishy, squishy, loyal friend, you know?

[Mario Cantone]

Well, I. You know, then I feel bad. Yeah. I have a lot of guilt. I am. I'm pretty. I'm pretty. I'm a softie for the most part, although I try to present as a very hard.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. You do, you do. And, I mean, it takes some time to get to the soft, but then it's worth it.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah, it's true.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. It's a good quality. It's a good quality. And I do think, like, if you look at Anthony's evolution, that's what's really, really fun about looking at your early episodes. I mean, just your evolution as a character. But also, I know that you felt like, oh, I'm so nervous, and can I get all these words right? And then the prop scenes are always hard. But you're so fantastic, and you're so specifically, you. Like, the character is fully formed, you know, and, yes, he evolves over time, definitely. But, like, the breath of fresh air when you come, especially because I think where Charlotte was at that time, because I'm in this bride mode. I'm with Trey and Trey, and I don't really talk that on, honestly. Right. Like, to have you coming in there, like, this is what it is.

[Mario Cantone]

Exactly. I tell you, like, it is.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's great. It's so, so great and so needed. Like, thank God we kept you. Thank the Lord. Michael Patrick King.

[Mario Cantone]

Thank him every day.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Mario Cantone]

Give us another season and stop it.

[Kristin Davis]

We have to let him reset. He's doing the comeback. He's gonna reset. He's gonna get new inspiration. I have faith. I do. I have faith.

[Mario Cantone]

Yeah. Wait to see the comeback, by the way. I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm very excited to see the comeback. I know they were really into it. He and Lisa wrote the whole show themselves.

[Mario Cantone]

The two of them together are magic, and it's a brilliant combination. And they do. Both those seasons were so good, and this is their final one, you know, but there was so much time in between each one, but.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. But, you know, the idea. I think they've announced it so I can say it. She's doing the first sitcom written by AI. Valerie Cherish on the Comeback is doing the first sitcom in my AI. It's so timely and great.

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I know. I can't wait either. I can't wait either. Thank you so much for joining us.

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I'll see you soon.

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