What are we doing in LA? with Jennifer Elise Cox... (S3 E14 "Sex and Another City")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: What are we doing in LA? with Jennifer Elise Cox

Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Date: February 9, 2026

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Overview

In this lively episode, Kristin Davis reunites with actress Jennifer Elise Cox to reminisce about Season 3, Episode 14 ("Sex and Another City") of Sex and the City. The conversation is equal parts Hollywood nostalgia and behind-the-scenes tea, diving into the show's iconic LA episodes—particularly filming at the Standard Hotel and the Playboy Mansion. The pair explore the cultural impact of SATC, share personal career moments, and offer candid, sometimes hilarious, stories about fame, set life, and the enduring power of female friendship on and off-screen.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Warm Hollywood Reunions & Shared History [03:26–05:10]

• Kristin and Jennifer recall running into each other all over LA in the early 2000s, sharing lighthearted stories about ice cream outings and celebrity sightings.
• Discussion of the supportive nature of the acting community and how kindness from colleagues can be a welcome surprise in an otherwise competitive industry.

Quote:
"When you first start, you don't really know that people are gonna be nice and welcoming. And then they really are... you're so relieved."
— Jennifer Elise Cox [05:10]

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2. Crossing TV Worlds: Guest Spots, Christine Taylor, and Behind the Scenes [05:51–08:51]

• Jennifer and Kristin talk about common friends and SATC guest stars, including Ella Schiller and Christine Taylor.
• Jennifer ponders the emotional attachment to the show and the sadness at its end. Kristin shares familial reactions to the show.
• Kristin reflects:
  "It's still hard to process. I'm still processing... I would just work with them forever, you know, like, it's your family" [06:46]
• Kristin and Jennifer trace their connection to Michael Patrick King and his theater company, recapping past collaborations and shared showbiz lineage.

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3. Comparing the Sets: SATC vs. Sitcoms & Set Antics [08:28–09:13]

• Differences between sets of SATC, 2 Broke Girls, and The Comeback.
• Jennifer reminisces about the fun and camaraderie on the SATC set—including singing Spice Girls songs in the trailer.
• Sarah Jessica Parker as a musical ring-leader:
  "I never learned the Spice Girls until I started working with Sarah... you had to join. You had to sing."
  — Jennifer Elise Cox [08:56]

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4. Revisiting the LA SATC Era: Vince Vaughn, Nostalgia, and Wild Nights [09:09–15:37]

• Both wax nostalgic over Vince Vaughn’s guest appearance, noting his charm and '90s-2000s allure.
• Jennifer recalls a personal trip with Vince and shares the collective cast admiration:
  "Good lord, he was hot in this show." [09:31]
• They discuss the vibe of the LA episodes—when Carrie is "free," post-breakup with Aidan:
  "There's a part of her [Sarah Jessica Parker], which is like, just so giddy. You know what I mean?"
  — Kristin Davis [11:04]

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5. LA Landmarks & the End of an Era [13:39–14:49]

• Discussion of shooting at the Standard Hotel (now closed):
  "Oh, the Standard was sad when it closed... that really was the end of an era, and it was so much fun."
  — Kristin Davis [14:01]
• Set anecdotes about LA nightlife, gallery looks, and the infamous Fendi baguettes.

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6. The Influence of SATC: Sexuality, Empowerment & Real-Life Impact [15:06–18:09]

• Kristin shares how the show helped her embrace her own sexuality after a major life transition.
• Both reflect on how the boldness of SATC seeped into their personal lives and cultural norms: "You guys were powerful and, like, in your sexuality and having fun... walking around with Fendi baguettes with condoms in them."
  — Kristin Davis [14:24]

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7. Audition Stories: Almost-Sarah Michelle Gellar & Playing the “Bitchy Door Girl” [15:37–16:54]

• Jennifer describes auditioning in LA, originally expecting a different part: "I thought I was gonna get it...and then they were like, no, we're gonna get Sarah Michelle Geller... But then they're like, well, you could play this part. And I was like, well, great. Yeah, okay."
  — Kristin Davis [15:47]

• Both laugh over how playing aloof or mean on TV is often not their real-life persona.

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8. Set Life: Food, Hair, and Hours on Set [16:54–18:09]

• Food is a recurring obsession—ordering from Jerry’s, comparing notes on long working hours, and the importance of hair and makeup.
• Kristin jokes about fans asking why she can’t always have SATC hair:
  "Because they have the best hair and makeup. You guys had the best hair and makeup."
  — Kristin Davis [16:59]

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9. Hyundai “Hot Take” & the Vince Vaughn Effect [18:11–18:59]

• Jennifer’s hot take: Vince Vaughn “took her back in the best possible way to the 2000s.”
• The hosts humorously draw comparison between bold TV moments and the “epic” features of the Hyundai Palisade (sponsored segment).

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10. Styling & Cultural Trends: “Carrie” Nameplate, Waxing, and Fashion [30:19–33:21]

• Kristin recalls the drama of wearing a “Carrie” necklace on set—special to her but forbidden for anyone except SJP’s character.

• Dissection of the episode's Brazilian waxing plotline and the culture-shaping influence SATC had:
  "After I saw...I wanted to get a Brazilian. Cause it was very cool at the time...of course, like, I’m Irish skin. It was like rash central."
  — Kristin Davis [31:24]

• They laugh about “Tend Skin,” waxing disasters, and young LA spa workers unware of SATC’s legacy.

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11. Culture & Therapy: Why SATC Still Resonates [33:05–34:22]

• Both articulate SATC’s lasting value as a source of connection and “therapy” for women: "For years after Sex in the City, I had a bunch of girlfriends who were like, well, I can't afford therapy, but I'm watching Sex in the City... It makes people feel good, especially women."
  — Kristin Davis [33:29]

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12. The Playboy Mansion: Surreal Scenes & Reflections [37:35–49:08]

• Jennifer remembers getting (and declining) a Playboy offer and navigating the weirdness of filming at the real-life mansion.
• Kristin and Jennifer agree: the Mansion was both an LA institution and "ew."
• Discuss Hef's frailty and polite vibes versus the general “darkness” and surreal nature of the setting: "When all the women are like naked and she's just like, we need to go home."
  — Kristin Davis [44:19]
• Query whether the script was tiptoeing around criticism of the Mansion due to “oversight.”

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13. LA Men, Plastic Surgery, and Eating Disorders [54:03–56:23]

• Laughter over storylines about LA men, cosmetic surgery, and awkward dating rituals (like Miranda’s “Letterman Lou” who has an eating disorder).
• Jennifer shares a real-life experience dating an actor obsessed with “eating clean”:
  "He would say, can I smell it?... He'd hold it up to his face... and then he'd be like, ah."
  [55:38]

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14. Carrie Fisher’s Cameo & Stories of Star Power [51:23–53:35]

• Both reminisce about working with Carrie Fisher—her presence, her “realness,” and her friendship with SATC’s extended creative family.
• Discussion of how the show attracted major guest stars, a sign of its cultural cachet.

Quote:
"You were at a point where everybody wanted to be on the show."
— Kristin Davis [52:22]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (Timestamps)

• On Kindness in Hollywood:
  "It's so nice to see nice people." — Jennifer Elise Cox [05:01]

• On Guest Star Ella Schiller:
  "She plays the girl that Miranda's son Brady gets pregnant... That's her. That makes sense. She's great." — Kristin Davis [06:17]

• On Singing in the Trailer:
  "We were all singing in the trailer. Do you remember singing Spice Girls?" — Kristin Davis [08:51]

• On 'Carrie' Nameplate Drama:
  "The big thing I remember is I came there with my Carrie chain that said Jennifer on it and they were like, oh, no, nobody wears the chain but Carrie." — Kristin Davis [30:19]

• On Set Camaraderie:
  "It was just... It felt like a party, that episode. Yeah. Amazing party." — Kristin Davis [50:35]

• On SATC as Therapy:
  "For years after Sex in the City, I had a bunch of girlfriends who were like, well, I can't afford therapy, but I'm watching Sex in the City, you know?" — Kristin Davis [33:29]

• On the LA Episodes:
  "I feel when I watch her [SJP's] performance... we're kind of at our height in a certain way. Like, all the writers are clicking together. The shows are really tight." — Kristin Davis [11:04]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:26] – Jennifer Elise Cox introduction and early Hollywood stories
• [05:10] – Support and kindness in show business
• [08:51] – Guest star memories and singing on set with SJP
• [09:31] – Vince Vaughn discussion and LA episode nostalgia
• [13:39] – Reminiscing the Standard Hotel
• [15:37] – Jennifer’s audition story
• [16:54] – Set food rituals and hair/makeup tales
• [18:11] – Hyundai “hot take” and Vince Vaughn praise
• [30:19] – Nameplate necklace and costume talk
• [31:24] – Waxing anecdotes and tend skin
• [33:05] – SATC as pop culture “therapy”
• [37:35] – Playboy Mansion, Hef stories
• [44:19] – Cultural commentary on LA and sexuality
• [51:23] – Reminiscing about Carrie Fisher
• [54:03] – Satirical take on LA dating and men
• [57:22] – Gwyneth Paltrow and mainstream waxing discourse

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Final Notes

This episode offers a delightfully candid, funny, and revealing look behind the curtain of a legendary SATC moment, filtered through the unique lens of two women who were there for all the madness. The hosts blend reverence for what the series accomplished culturally with humility and humor about what it was like living, loving, and working in LA at the height of SATC’s fame.

For listeners and fans, it’s a charming, insightful, and nostalgia-drenched trip down memory lane—equal parts glam, grit, and genuine warmth.

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Transcript

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Charlotte]

Pleasure. Done really well. Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hi everybody. Welcome to ARE you a Charlotte? Today we have a really fun guest.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I've known her for a very long time.

[Charlotte]

Her name is Jennifer Leecocks.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Her breakout role was in 1995 when.

[Charlotte]

She played Jan in the Brady Bunch movie. She's also been on our show Sex.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And the City, Web Therapy, Six Feet.

[Charlotte]

Under, Will and Grace, the comeback to Broke Girls, Abbott Elementary.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So many things.

[Charlotte]

We, we have the best time. Please enjoy.

[Kristin Davis]

You guys.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

It's very, very exciting.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We have the incredible Jennifer Elise Cox with us today.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. You are the incredible one.

[Charlotte]

No, you are.

[Kristin Davis]

Stop it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's so nice to see you. And I was saying to my producers, I used to see her all the time. Like, don't you remember? Like, we'd just be out in the world.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember the last time it was ice cream. And you were with Marcia Cross.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, I literally, like, she's coming next.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, good.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I love her so much, eating ice cream.

[Kristin Davis]

I used to always see Marcia Cross outlet shopping at the Camarillo Mall.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, we love that place. That was a good day trip.

[Kristin Davis]

Especially when you're an actress kind of starting out. Like, you get the good stuff.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I don't know the good stuff. But you can't pay full price. I mean, who can pay full price now?

[Kristin Davis]

No, no.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right. Gosh, that's so funny.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I mean, I just remember.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I just remember, like, running into you randomly so much, like in the. Would have been like the early aughts, I would think.

[Kristin Davis]

These loved you and your energy, your spirit. You're always so nice to me and just so much fun.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And it's so nice to see nice people.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it is. Especially for joining us, that are supportive. Oh, my God.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

We were just discussing this before you got here.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

It's the best. It is the best.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I feel like. I don't know if people really know this now, but I do feel like it is something where, like, when you first start, you don't really know that people are gonna be nice and welcoming. And then they really are, I feel like mostly. And then the ones that you are, you're so relieved.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're so relieved. Cause when you're in the situation of like, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, you don't necessarily get that, obviously. Cause you're all in the same boat of like, please, God, let me get it. I don't know what's gonna happen.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's such a weird bubble, the auditioning thing. Cause you. I mean, you go in and you do your thing. Sometimes you hear other people doing the same audition. It makes you crazy.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

It's a nightmare to sit in the.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Waiting room and be able to hear them totally Totally. You know who else we had on the podcast?

[Charlotte]

Christine Taylor.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, I love Christine. Thanks so much. And she was a supportive actress. I didn't know what I was doing film wise. I learned it from watching Christine. She's amazing.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Amazing and so supportive and lovely as a human being. And her daughter worked on it just like that. Ella, incredible person.

[Kristin Davis]

What episode was that?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The Final Couple. She plays the girl that Miranda's son Brady gets pregnant.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, she's great, right?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

That's Ella Schiller.

[Kristin Davis]

She's great. Oh, my God, that's amazing. That. That's her. That makes sense. She's great.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And wouldn't it have been fun if we had continued the show and we could have seen their baby?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yes. And I love the show and it should have gone on.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're so sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

So good. Best show ever.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

And my mother was, like, devastated when it was. Loves this so much.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, tell her.

[Kristin Davis]

My God, it loves you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's so sweet. It's still hard to process. I'm still processing. You know what I mean? Also, because I would just work with them forever, you know, like, it's your family.

[Charlotte]

It's a joy.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, it's a joy to be able to do that.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. Amazing. And I know Michael Patrick King from way back.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You've been on every one of the shows.

[Kristin Davis]

Luckily. Luckily. I beg him.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Amazing. So how did you meet him?

[Kristin Davis]

We did some stuff at a theater company that he had that was at the Helms Bakery building.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Yes, I remember.

[Kristin Davis]

Called Arcade.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I remember I went, oh, you. Wow.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes. This is partly why we had so much crossover.

[Kristin Davis]

We had much crossover. We aren't meant to stay in touch, I think. Yes. But his theater company was incredible. And I remember Michael telling me, like, he was fired from every job before Sex and the City. Like, that's amazing, isn't it? So brilliant.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But he's so brilliant.

[Kristin Davis]

But he's so specific.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

He's super specific. That's well put. Well put. Very, very specific. So you were on our show. You were on 2 Broke Girls.

[Unidentified Male Speaker]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You were on the Comeback.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

And I'm so glad I was on the Comeback. Cause I was really in good shape then. And like, it is like it is encapsulated for all time. Cause I will never look that good.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Listen, isn't that how we always feel?

[Bowen Yang]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're just doing your best for that time that you're on camera. Because that will live on film. And once that's over, you're like, I can eat whatever I want.

[Kristin Davis]

I'll let it go.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right? Totally let it go. Totally, totally. So I'm just curious because each one. So if you were just briefly in our show, unfortunately there wasn't more for you to do, but you did come. So you saw our show then you saw. I guess it would have been the comeback next. And then Two Broke Girls.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

All very different shows. How would you compare them as an actor? Like, what was it like? How were they different?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I have to say I am the hugest Sex and the City fan, so. I mean that. Come on. I mean, I love the other shows, too, and they were amazing to be in, but Sex and the City was amazing and you guys were all so sweet. And I remember we were all singing in the trailer. Do you remember singing Spice Girls?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, Sarah Jessica Parker. Sarah Jessica Parker.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I never learned the Spice Girls until I started working with Sarah. And then it was just a given. You had to join.

[Kristin Davis]

You had to join. You had to sing.

[Charlotte]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

She was an amazing singer and just.

[Charlotte]

She can sing.

[Kristin Davis]

So sweet. And we had so much fun because we were. We were in la and Vince Vaughn was there and he was so hot.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

When I rewatched this episode, and I know Vince. And I went to an island with Vince for about six weeks. I know Vince really well. And I was like, what?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I don't remember this Vince. Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, good Lord, he was hot in this show.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God, I had forgotten.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And, you know, when you know someone, it changes your perception anyway. But it's just like, the best of.

[Charlotte]

Vince in this episode.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, he's charming.

[Kristin Davis]

That's what I was thinking. And it was so funny because I remember between scenes, I was, like, waiting out there. We were shooting, and Sarah Jessica Parker came over to me and she's like, hot.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

He is so hot. No way. Oh, my God, I'm so glad you remember this.

[Kristin Davis]

We were like, I know.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

You can't tell that she feels this.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Way in the episode, right? Shocked.

[Kristin Davis]

She looks so happy.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Very rare. Okay. Very, very, very rare. Sarah has really kind of specific and unique taste in men. She's not easily, you know, interested or excited. And I mean, I think at this point in the show, in the third season and in my mind, and I certainly feel this when I rewatched it, we're kind of at our height in a certain way. Like, all of the writers are clicking together. The shows are really tight. They're really happening. Do you know what I mean? And I feel when I watch her performance in kind of the center section of the third Season because this is when she's cheating with Big. She's with Aiden, then he finds out, she confesses to us, blah, blah, blah. Then she's free. So these LA episodes, she's free because Aiden breaks up with her at my wedding. Right. There's a part of her, Jessica, which is, like, just so giddy. You know what I mean?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

It's funny.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so fun to see. I couldn't. I couldn't even believe it too, because I was just so stunned, starstruck by her. But I had met her a million years ago because I had done an Annie commercial when she was Annie.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

We went to an Annie party in Central park and she showed me around. She was. She's the sweetest person in the world. Like, showed. Introduced me to everybody. She's like, this is Jennifer.

[Charlotte]

Did she remember this?

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But that's.

[Kristin Davis]

But it's okay.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

That's okay. This is amazing because you remember it all.

[Kristin Davis]

I remember.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Look, I saw that Annie. I saw that. The first production of Annie when she was like, the youngest orphan.

[Kristin Davis]

She's Molly. She was the orphan.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

See, Jennifer remembers. Everything.

[Kristin Davis]

Is amazing too. But Sarah Jessica is like theater baby. So talented.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Have you ever seen that video of her where that kid interviewer interviews her.

[Charlotte]

In her dressing room?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, he is the cutest. And when we gave her this award.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The Carol Burnett Award, they played that.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

That's so cute. Oh, it just makes my heart break open in a million pieces.

[Kristin Davis]

She was so sw.

[Charlotte]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

She was the exact same stuff. They're like. They're like, what do you love? She's like, I love New York.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

She's so cute.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So real. It's so real. She's like her little self just in like, a tiny little body with kind.

[Kristin Davis]

Of a. Yeah, she hasn't changed. I would say, of all the people I've known, like, she has not changed since. She's still the same. She has the real. The little Annie girl.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Totally, totally. That's amazing that you did that too. I didn't know this.

[Kristin Davis]

It's just so funny because I did it on the set and I think I freaked her out because she was like, were you in Annie? I was like, no, but I was in the commercial.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Okay, so take me back.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

How old were you when this happened? Where are we in your. Like, what's going on in your life?

[Kristin Davis]

This is. Oh, when I was Annie.

[Charlotte]

No.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, Sex in the City.

[Kristin Davis]

Sex in the City. Oh, good. This is good. Okay, that's year 2000. It's.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes, I think so. Let me double check. It should be 2000.

[Kristin Davis]

It's interesting because the episode is, like, the beginning of the 2000 era, but it still feels kind of 90s because it's still.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, I think it feels very 90s.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's fun.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Very fun.

[Kristin Davis]

I was re watching this episode, and I was like, I want to go back.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I just want to go back.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm with you 100%. I mean, this whole 2016 thing is not, like, a mistake. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

What is that?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That is because people want to go back in time.

[Kristin Davis]

I understand. But not 2016.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No. For us, that's a random year. It's random. Like, let's go back further.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, further. Further, definitely. Yeah. But, like, you guys shot this episode at the Standard, which was so of the time. Like, all the white couches. We used to go to all those parties.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No. With the people. They had.

[Kristin Davis]

The people. The people in the cases.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Tank.

[Kristin Davis]

The tanks. Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Let's have a little. Little moment for the Standard.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, the Standard was sad when it closed. Oh, my God. So sad. Because that really was the end of an era, and it was so much fun. I never had a bad time there. They had a couple of gifting suites there. Really? I remember a couple of parties there.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I remember the parties. I don't remember the gifting suites, but I stand there because it was so unique and amazing and so special, and we were super smart to film there.

[Kristin Davis]

So smart. It was so perfect. But just also the whole kind of fun vibe. Yeah. And just that. I mean, I know it's corny, but I'm like, just that you guys were powerful and, like, in your sexuality and having fun, like walking around with Fendi baguettes with condoms in them.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Totally.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm very, you know, very, very proud of it. Very open and empowering.

[Kristin Davis]

Beautiful.

[Charlotte]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

You're all so beautiful. I was just like, you're so beautiful now, but the four of you are so beautiful, and it's just so fun. And, you know, that was the time when Hugh Hefner was kind of cute.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

He wasn't as creepy. I know that part's weird, but tell me about you, and then we'll get to Hef in a minute. Tell me about life. Tell me about life. What was happening?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that was a big time for me, really. I think due to the Sex and the City show, I was very influenced. I was really coming into, like, my sexuality. I had gotten out of a marriage, and I was like, single girl, and I was really, like, I was Trying to emulate Emily. Emulate you guys. That was very blunt. Emulate you guys and, like, just, like, having fun and just, like, my career was kind of taking off then. It was a really good time. But it was a. It was a fun time.

[Charlotte]

Definitely.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Definitely. So when you got the part, like, did you. Did you audition here in la?

[Kristin Davis]

I auditioned here in la, and I auditioned for the Sarah Michelle Geller party.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

So I thought I was gonna get it. I'm so weird about auditions. I'm like, that sucked. Or like, I totally have this. And then they were like, no, we're gonna get Sarah Michelle Geller. She's a bigger name. Come on. She was Buffy at the time. She's here. But then they're like, well, you could play this part. And I was like, well, great. Yeah, okay. Totally. I want to be that, like, door person who I've run into so many times.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Totally.

[Charlotte]

Who has.

[Kristin Davis]

Who, like, is mean to you. And.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, listen, I was. It's funny that you are that part because you're so not that part in life. But on the other hand, you so enjoy it, and we've all been there. We've all been there so many times. So many times.

[Kristin Davis]

So many times.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So many times.

[Kristin Davis]

You step off the red carpet.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know. I know. When you're trying to text your friend or whatever, whenever that we got our phones in our hand, like, that are already in there, and you're like, I'm out here.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Please help me. Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So you. You really. You. You gave that part your all, which I. And also, there's such a sweetness about you. So it's kind of funny that you're this, you know, bitch. But, you know, it gives a good. It gives a really good counterpoint to it.

[Kristin Davis]

And what about my hair? Love it. Oh, my God. If only I could create that again.

[Charlotte]

It's gorgeous.

[Kristin Davis]

I've had so many people walk up to me and they're like, why can't you look like that with your hair? I was like, because they have the best hair and makeup. You guys had the best hair and makeup.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's the other thing I thought when I was watching, like, all of her hair looks really good. But also the thing that was really funny about that, because this third season, I think we had 18, right. This is in the olden days when you did that many episodes of Things. And it was a lot, you know, it's just a lot. You remember our hours, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So bonkers.

[Kristin Davis]

Hours. But I remember you guys telling me that you had actually slept when you got there because you had like a day off. Oh, good. I remember this. I'm going to sound super sturdy, but I remember everyone was ordering soup from Jerry's.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, God, we love Jerry's. But also we were very foodie. Like, it was all about, where are we ordering at this time? And then when can we order the next order? And what's the plan? Like, that was so much fun, that part in general. And I just get whatever they want because they have a lot of opinions about food. So I was just like, yes. And obviously Jerry's is great.

[Kristin Davis]

You're being very Charlotte.

[Charlotte]

Very Charlotte.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Very Charlotte. A lot of the time. Very Charlotte. I know people ask me to say what's similar and what's different? I'm like, I don't know anymore. I have no idea.

[Charlotte]

All right, so this week's Hyundai hot.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Take is Vince Vaughn. It's hard. It's hard not to call out Vince for his performance in this episode because a, I know him and it's really funny to see him in this way. We did a movie called Couples retreat, which would have been, I want to say, 2008. And I think we filmed this episode of Sex and the city in 2000. He's just so funny and he looks so great and he's so loose. And it just really took me back it just really took me back in the best possible way. Way to the 2000s. So Vince Vaughn, my Hyundai hot take. Celebrating iconic moments, bold moves and unforgettable style.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The back without yelling.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

When I'm feeling kind of meh but still need to show up like I've.

[Charlotte]

Got it together and that's putting on lip gloss. So true.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And the costume department loved it and.

[Charlotte]

It felt so good.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I still have it at home. Like when you score that rare Adidas.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Or the Dior saddle bag that you ripped right out of a magazine in 2007 and never got over.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So you're auditioning. You already know Sex in the City, so you're excited. You're totally fine to play this bitchy girl on the carpet.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

As opposed to the Sarah Michelle. Michelle Geller part. And then you come, you remember everything we said, which is amazing.

[Charlotte]

Thank you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Because I only have like, like only a few memories stand out. I do have memories of the LA episodes because I lived here.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So for me, for the first script, the first episode that we come to la, I'm not in. I was like, you guys, what the hell?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, put me in it, Charlotte.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's supposed to. Yeah, I mean, I did. And thank God they put me in the next room. I think that was always their plan. But it does make sense because I'm married now. And like at the one end of the wedding and they're like, and then there were three, I was like, oh, no.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

When I watched it back, I didn't even remember that.

[Kristin Davis]

And you're looking at that old picture that you guys always pulled out from the first episode, right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, not the first episode, but the first season. Yeah. With the lights in the background. Yeah, I like that episode where we're wearing like normal people clothes.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, you guys were totally normal, but you were talking to the camera. Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

God help us all. Okay, so tell it. Tell us. You go to work. We've all slept, which is amazing. That's great. So we started the LA trip. Yeah, got it. And we're singing, which is wonderful.

[Charlotte]

We're ordering Jerry's soup.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Now, when you Got there. Was it daylight?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, it was daylight.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Do you remember how long you worked?

[Kristin Davis]

I didn't work that long.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

I literally. It was so great. I mean, the scene. I mean, I wanted to be there longer, but the scene just like we did my scene and it was wrapped. And then Sarah Jessica Parker actually said to the whole crew, give Jennifer Elise Cox applause. She was so great. And I was just like, ah. Crying.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Like, I can't believe it.

[Kristin Davis]

Sweet person. You guys are so sweet.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think it was a good. It was generally a good time that we did. Some things go wrong in la.

[Kristin Davis]

But more later the next episode. Right?

[Charlotte]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The car situation or whatever, which we'll talk about then. I guess it was fine.

[Charlotte]

It was fine.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was more just like. And also at a certain point, I think the scene in this episode where Charlotte finally arrives, because they were all in scenes together. But then also, like, she was in scenes with Vince. Cynthia was in scenes with that guy. Kim is in scenes with the handbag Confendi, the Fendi fake Fendi bad guy. I was by myself and they. Because I had my house here, they said I had gone to shoot a group scene. Then they said, go home and go to sleep and come back at 3:00am oh, no. And that's when I.

[Kristin Davis]

How are you gonna sleep?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, I did.

[Kristin Davis]

You did? Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Because we were just exhausted.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, even if we slept for a day, in general exhaustion. And if they let you sleep, you're like, yes, yes, I will sleep back. Then I could. I could do that.

[Kristin Davis]

Were they staying at the Standard?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No, I don't think so. We'd have to ask them, but I don't think so because it was too crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Too crazy. That would have been insane.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. It wasn't conducive to, you know, getting some rest. Generally speaking, we would generally stay at the Peninsula. We called it the Pen in the Best. Meaning we stayed at the Pen. I don't know if they were staying there then. I can't really remember. I have weird gaps in my LA memory because I also think at this point, just in general, the energy of the show, everything was escalating. Like, we got nominated for an Emmy, I think so maybe we got nominated.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I think we got.

[Charlotte]

It might have been the next year.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think it was the next year.

[Kristin Davis]

The next year for this season.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's what it was. But things were like, you know, on.

[Kristin Davis]

The up and up. It was. It was fast. It was like you felt that everyone loves Sex in the City.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's how it felt that day Wasn't just women.

[Kristin Davis]

It was men. It was everybody.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's how you felt now at this in third season, first season, second season, it was more like niche or New York, L.A. or, you know, whatever. But. But it was cool. OK, so let's, let's. Oh, this is what I was gonna say about our hair. Yes, we had the best hair, people. But also the thing that's funny, I, they, the producers would always tell me, sorry, listeners, if I'm repeating myself, that I had to get highlights. There's always a lot of stress because I didn't want highlights. I had pristine hair.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you remember? My hairdresser gave me highlights and lowlights and my hair all fell out. It was like, who needs highlights? And low like, j.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Stop.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Hair color.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was a lot. I remember Sarah Jessica had extremely complex hair color and people were so into it. And I don't know if that's what affected my producers, but my producers were like, you've got to have highlights because it's too hard to light you because everyone else is so much lighter.

[Kristin Davis]

They're sucking the light. So there's no light.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm sucking the light and they don't have light.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Because I'm dark. Whatever. I know, I know. It's crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

Hair is perfect.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Thank you so much. So now it's gray with color on it. So it's a whole different situation. But back then it was pristine. It was untouched. Right? So I go to get highlights at the beginning of this season, but I don't really understand highlights, and I don't understand that you have to go and get them touched up and toned and.

[Kristin Davis]

Redone every 10 days.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right? See, See? I can't possibly do that. Right. I can't possibly do that. So by the time we get to la, my highlights have grown out and they're here. So there's like a stripe.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

There's like a stripe in my hair.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And like some scenes you're like, what? And they're completely untoned, right? They're just like blonde and, like, bad. But my hairstyle still looks beautiful. But, like, I think we were too exhausted to notice. Like, it's funny to me that our hair department didn't say, hey, Kristen, you need to get your highlights touched up. But we were just all so delirious.

[Kristin Davis]

We were just like, oh, whatever, Exhausted.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know, I know, I know, know. What do you remember about what you wore?

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, so the big thing I remember is I came there with my Carrie chain that said Jennifer on it and they were like, oh, no, nobody wears the chain but Carrie.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's true.

[Kristin Davis]

I was so lazy. Like, the clasp hadn't worked, but I wanted to wear it. So I tied it up in knots.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

So it was a big thing. They were like, we're coming to cut it. Like, they kept saying, we're coming to cut your necklace.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Did they?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, but see, I have.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, that said.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Can I tell you what's funny? My daughter, who's 14, her friend gave her a necklace like this that says crybaby. And she wears it and she doesn't understand, number one, why it's a trend.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

And number two, she wears it that it says cry baby. Unless, like, why are you wearing this?

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

That's so much.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You can't really talk to 14 year olds. And also the other trend in this particular episode that I'm wondering if you have memories or thoughts of is the waxing situation.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yes, I have a lot. Some of it is disgusting. So I don't wanna. I don't wanna freak you out, but after I saw. Well, I was in that episode, I wanted to get a Brazilian. Cause it was very cool at the time. It was the thing. But, you know, of course, like, I was, you know, I'm Irish skin. It was like rash central.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Oh, my God.

[Kristin Davis]

Awful, awful.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Listen.

[Kristin Davis]

And then they were like, you have to buy this tinned skin. That was like. I felt like it was like. It was a sham skin.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, my God. I had forgotten about the ten skin. I think we had it in the trailer.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was everywhere. Because this was a very, very rampant, like, social, like, cultural situation.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. Big deal.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And the funny thing is I had a job right before COVID where I had to wear a bikini. And I was really scared. So I went to get a wax, which I wouldn't normally do. And I didn't ask for a Brazilian. And there was like 22 year olds, right, working at this place.

[Kristin Davis]

Was it Alicia?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

No, thank God, no. They. They know, but they were young and mean.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And they were like, bend your leg. And I was like, I know. I am aware.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Like, are you Sex in the City?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, they don't even know. Like, that's what's amazing to me. The youngsters don't even know where this stuff came from. And interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

They need to be taught.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Well, I think a lot of them.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Obviously, I agree. Jennifer, obviously, I agree.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But also, like, this is why I'm happy that Netflix licensed our show, right? Because, like, let them Watch and see. Like, oh, now I see why I'm wearing a nameplate gold necklace.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I mean, but the thing is.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And this is what I love about the show and why I. I am happy to talk about it here. I love to reminisce. But also I love the parts of the show that really hold their weight all this time later, and that is the empowerment of sexuality.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes. And I mean, you guys influenced women, and actually, I feel like you allowed me to have fun and be happy with my. I mean, like, that's really profound. It's like, yeah. And it's for everyone. And for years after Sex in the City, I had a bunch of girlfriends who were like, well, I can't afford therapy, but I'm watching Sex in the City, you know? And it's true. It's like everyone's therapy makes. It makes people feel good, especially women.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I think it makes you feel connected. I think it makes you feel not alone, that you can see other people going through things that aren't, you know, so easy or so great. Even though we were always dressed well when we went through them. But you know what I'm saying, they're still relatable. I love that part of it.

[Kristin Davis]

And especially Charlotte, like, a lot of your. Your guys, too, that you had, like, I have to say, I dealt with some of that. And you're like, oh, my God, thank you totally.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Well, that's true. That's true. Because when you're in it, you do feel like you're alone, and it's nice to see, like. No, Everybody deals with weirdness. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

It's so true.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm so glad. Okay, so take us back. We're in the trailer.

[Charlotte]

We're singing to the Spice Girls.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We're happy.

[Charlotte]

We're ordering Jerry's soup.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And then what? Then we go out there. You see Michael, who, you know, and Michael really helps.

[Kristin Davis]

So sweet. But I mean, but you guys were so nice to me right away. Like, as soon as I saw all of you, you. Kim was so sweet. You were all so sweet to me. Made me feel so good. But then, you know, it was just, like, most of the day, I was standing around with Finn spine and.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Wait, was Jon Favreau there that day? Because at one point, Jon came. No. Okay. So I think it was the day that they go to shoot at that house. John came. And the reason I know this is because I think Sarah and I had our blackberries. The beginning blackberries. You know, the first version. Yeah, crackberries. But she kept hers on her waistband. Okay. There are pictures of her with her on her waistband, which is adorable. And they only made two sounds. It was either like, do Lulu or do one or the other.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

So you either had it on the.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Up or on the down. And all. All day, like, if we were in the trailer, we'd turn it on. Ours would just be going, like, do. And sometimes on the set, we would just be texting each other across the.

[Kristin Davis]

Across the room or whatever.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was really fun. So she texted me one day that Jon Favreau had come because they'd done Swingers. Obviously they were, like, still in their kind of tight, where a unit were writing and creating things. He'd come to write, like ad libs or whatever, which we didn't really do.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, Michael had kept it, you know, pretty tight. Do you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. That. I wouldn't put that past Michael. I know.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

But John was there.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was not a secret.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So he was there. And I think they included Michael. And I think Darren was there. I'm not sure. I think Darren was around.

[Kristin Davis]

I think Darren was there. He's so nice.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah. And I think he was so excited because he also lived here. You know what I mean? So for us, we were like, right. So John came and they rewrote things. And I remember Sarah texting me like, jon Favreau's here and they're rewriting. And I was like, what?

[Charlotte]

And it's.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You can kind of tell in Vince's dialogue that it's.

[Charlotte]

It's.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think that they worked on it. Like, it's very Vince.

[Kristin Davis]

It's very Vince. It's very them, isn't it?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Which I love. I love it. I love it that Michael was cool with it, that it worked out. You know, it works.

[Kristin Davis]

It works for his character.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And how was Vince's mood?

[Kristin Davis]

He was so nice. But, like, I was taken aback because he sounded just like his character in Swingers. He's like, hey. He was like. I was like, you know this person? He's like, yeah, he's a really bad hang. And I was like, okay.

[Charlotte]

Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

And then, of course, like, I volunteered at that time because I was just like, ah, he's very good looking. I was like, like, I'm in Maxim.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I said to him just out of the blue, like, were you in Maxim?

[Kristin Davis]

I was in Maxim at that time. And I have my Jennifer necklace on and it comes full circle.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

You were in Maxim at that time.

[Kristin Davis]

That was like, cool. Of course. Not cool anymore.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm not that cool.

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think Maxim Is gone, babe.

[Kristin Davis]

It's gone. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It's chaos.

[Charlotte]

It had to go.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But I remember it was very much a thing that as a young actress, you wanted that. You wanted that. I personally didn't want it because once we got sex in the city, I was like, I don't want any of that. You're so good. I mean, there are different people who felt differently about it. And my. My half story, if we want to go there, is that I did get a Playboy offer after this experience.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I did. Yes. And I was like, oh, no. I laughed really hard. I was like, I couldn't possibly.

[Kristin Davis]

But it is a high compliment.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was a high compliment, but my mother really would never have spoken to me. And I did say that publicly. And I remember, remember later feeling bad about it because it was something culturally where like, there was like this broad acceptance. But then later on we found out, oh, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't all so great.

[Kristin Davis]

He was creepy, right?

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But he seems, like adorable. He's very nice, Samantha. He's like, he's like, sit on my lap. And then he's like, no, sit in the chair. And I'm like, no, I don't think that would have happened later on. He would have been like, sit on my lap.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Listen, he was very, very frail. You wouldn't want to sit on him. Oh, yeah, no, no, he was very frail. You would feel like you might hurt him. But he was very nice. But when we do go to the mansion, I mean, really, really weird.

[Kristin Davis]

Was it gross? Like, the grotto was this.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The grotto was weird. I didn't go in the water, so I felt okay, good, good.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so glad you didn't go in the water.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We were very. We were like, huh? But it was very much like kind of like a disconnect in that, you know, Like, I feel like at this moment in time, culturally, they were very much kind of mainstream.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Remember?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. And people were in mainstream.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Right. People were always going up there to the pajama parties and stuff. And it was strange. Right. So we're there and I think it was a very big deal for us to get to film there. But yet at the same time, you're just like, ew.

[Kristin Davis]

Ew.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

It means to drive an suv. For starters, let's talk about interior space. It's class leading, which is just a fancy way of saying that the whole crew and everyone's gonna be comfy. You've got seating for seven or eight passengers and yes, that available third row power seating that reclines. Game changer. There are available front and second row relaxation seats, basically a spa day on wheels. And an available class exclusive blind spot view monitor that shows you a video feed of your blind spot right in the dash. How smart is that? There's even an available class exclusive built in dash cam. So whether it's a scenic drive or someone cuts you off and pretends like it didn't happen, you've got the receipts. And if you're all about the sound experience like me, the available Bose 14 speaker audio system is going to blow you away. I also love the tech forward touches like standard 100 watt USB C ports because fast charging is non negotiable these days. And the standard passenger talk intercom that.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Lets you chat with people in the back without yelling.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And the costume department loved it and it felt so good and I still.

[Charlotte]

Have it at home.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like when you score that rare Adidas.

[Charlotte]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Jennifer Elise Cox]

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[Charlotte]

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[Kristin Davis]

I'm sorry, I'm going to the last name. I probably shouldn't. But like when all the women are like naked and the. And she's just like, we need to go home.

[Charlotte]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

When she's like, we took a wrong turn.

[Charlotte]

Yes, I know, I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Very profound. And it's very, like, interesting. It's very New York la. Like the boundaries and kind of the subtext of the.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

We took a wrong turn. But I think we also. I feel, I don't know the details and I should probably ask Michael.

[Charlotte]

I wonder if he would remember.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I don't know if there was any kind of oversight in terms of what we wrote. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like that we not say anything negative.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, I wonder.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I wonder too, because we kind of imply that there's a darkness without really going into it. But I also don't know if that was because culturally it felt like it was an important moment to embrace all the sexuality all. Like if these women want to do that, that we're not going to judge them.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no. Right? But never judgment. But ew.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, it was ooh.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

It was ooh.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But not because of the women. It was because of the men.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

When you see Charlotte there talking to that dude.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Absolutely no memory. I was like, wait, what? What's happening? Like, sometimes when I'm rewatching, I'm like, okay, wait, I, I'm. I don't remember doing that.

[Kristin Davis]

There were guys like that in LA at the time that were, were offering. Someone offered to buy me boo Boo. I was like, what?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That was what happened?

[Kristin Davis]

It was someone I was dating who was just like, you're perfect, except your tits are small. You want some big boobs? And I was just like. I was like, oh, okay, bye. Lose my number. Lose my number. And I love your character, how you react. It's so great.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, I'm glad. I wish it had been bigger. This is how I feel when I look back on Charlotte in general. I have really big reactions. Reactions sometimes. And this had a lot to do with, you know, whoever was writing or directing. Obviously, sometimes I have really big reactions where I'm like, wow, why was that reaction so big? And then sometimes, like, in this scene, I'm like, that should have been a bigger reaction. Like, off, buddy.

[Charlotte]

You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Drinks.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's true. That's true. I was feeling good, and I was feeling good to get away from my marriage problems or whatever. And at one point, I'm like, it's so nice to be with a man who talks.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

And also, he says to me, oh, you.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I literally said that the colors in Hockney are beautiful. That's, like, not really very smart. You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

I think it's smart.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I don't think it is that deep. I don't know. Really, Charlotte, the colors in Hock Me are beautiful. Yeah. We could have done better than that.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Okay, all right. At least you're talking about art at.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

The Playboy Mansion, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know, but I don't remember that, dude. I'm sorry, whoever you are.

[Charlotte]

I do.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I have no memory of that scene taking place. Place.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's good.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I think I was in a blackout, just in general. We're at the Playboy Mansion. I cannot take it all in.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm just been overload.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, I think it was overload. I'll tell you what I do remember. I remember when we had to wear those. Those outfits and. And I think, like, we're. We're going to the party, right? And so Sarah's got that sparkly kind of muumu on over, I think, a bathing suit, I think. Right. Why the bikini? I don't know. It's nighttime, right? Like, did we think we were gonna get in the water? I don't know what was going on there.

[Charlotte]

Right, right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But I do remember there being a lot of conversation about what I was going to wear with Pat. Pat. Like, that's my own sarong, I think, from Bali, actually.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so cute on you, and you have, like, a bikini that. I think it had cherries on it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's that Shoshana braid I remember.

[Kristin Davis]

So cute. Thank you. It worked out. You were hot to death too. You're.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But I thought I was fat. I thought I was so. You are so famous. I thought I was so, so fat. So sad. Thank you so much. But I remember when we had to walk all. All four of us that kind of like around a bend when we're walking in and we're walking and talking. But we have to walk and talk facing forward, which is always, you know, semi challenging. Right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I remember that day. And I remember that day. I think partly because of the. Of the outfit, drama or whatever. And feeling like naked, my stomach hanging out.

[Kristin Davis]

No stomach.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You're sweet. Whatever. At the time, I felt. I felt whatever is self conscious. And then I. I have other memories about behind the scenes at the mansion. But I remember that walk and talk. But I don't remember a lot else.

[Kristin Davis]

It's really weird.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I didn't remember any of the storyline of that though I do walk into.

[Charlotte]

That scene with Hef and Kim.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I do remember a scene with Hef and Kim. I guess that was it. I thought we were somewhere else, though.

[Kristin Davis]

Who knows?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Maybe we were in a holding area that was somewhere else. I remember having a conversation, a brief conversation with him or he was like your grandpa or whatever. Like, it was strange, you know, like very sweet, very kind of, you know, like regular seeming, if that's possible to say, you know, where he was just like, you girls are doing great. We were like, thank you.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

It's very surreal that you're saying this.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Or thank you so much. And we were just trying to be nice, you know, trying to. To be nice and polite. Okay, so let's. Let's rewatch a little bit.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, good.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Okay. No, let me ask you separately though, because I'd love to hear this. I don't want to forget. After the episode aired, what was it like for you?

[Kristin Davis]

Everywhere I went, people were saying my lines to me. I mean, that's the thing about Sex in the City. The lines are so classic.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's cute. That's really cute. That's really cute. And you liked it?

[Charlotte]

You enjoyed it?

[Kristin Davis]

I liked it. And door. People used to say, I do your thing all the time. Can you please step up the red carpet?

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's really, really funny. Now listen, I hadn't remembered this. John David Coles was directing.

[Charlotte]

Do you remember him?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, he was a very, very regular white guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

He was nice he's very nice.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

He's very nice. He had previously directed the scene where I'm. I take a drug and I'm dancing through what I thought was a keyhole, but it wasn't actually a keyhole.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I learned from doing. Hilarious. I know. I was like, then I'm dancing through this keyhole.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So anyway, he was so easy. That's what I remember about him. And I feel like when you watch the episodes, you can tell that we feel pretty relaxed.

[Kristin Davis]

Very relaxed. He was. Everyone was nice.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm so glad. I will tell you.

[Kristin Davis]

I know we've been on those sets where you feel a little. Just out of it because it's a little difficult or stressful. It was just. It felt like a party, that episode. Yeah. Amazing party.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It feels like that when you're watching it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And because I can't remember it other than the Playboy Mansion, which was just bizarro. Right. Like, it might have felt like a party to some of the people there.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlotte]

I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean? Right? Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But also, I'm happy to hear that Vince was in a good mood.

[Kristin Davis]

He was so much fun. He was so nice.

[Charlotte]

Yay.

[Kristin Davis]

And he was kind of flirty. Flirty with all of us. Like, I felt like he was, like. He was like, I'm gonna get on this. That. And flirt with everybody as. So they like me.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You know, Vince Double V, as I call him. I hope you're listening. I don't think you are, but maybe.

[Kristin Davis]

Your wife should be.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

She tells you we have good memories, which is nice. You know what else I totally forgot that Carrie Fiser is in this.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, it's so amazing to see her, but it's also just kind of.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, it makes you so stunning. Sad. She looks beautiful, too. Like, I feel like she's never. But, you know, that's the hair and makeup on that show. They made you look good.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But also, I just think she was at a good place in life, which I think is so great that we caught that in her act. She's so real.

[Charlotte]

Do you know what I mean?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Like, she's so real, and it's so, like. I mean, we should go through the details or whatever. But this storyline is so funny.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so funny.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I had vaguely remembered it, but I hadn't remembered that it was Carrie Fisher, which I think it was Carrie Fisher, because Carrie, I believe, was Kevin Huvain's client. And that's Sarah Jessica's client since he was answering the phones at caa. Like, we love Kevin Huvain so much.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And he would set things up, you know, sometimes when we. If we needed. You know, I'm sure he probably helped us get Vince. You know what I mean? Like, he was. He was there for us.

[Kristin Davis]

But, you know, you were at a point where everybody wanted to be on the show.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, yes and no. I don't know. I mean, there were times where I remember, like, we were like, let's get George Clooney. And we could never get Clooney. And I know him, but I mean, he was very busy. You know what he was saying? Let me say that he was very busy. He was a fan of the show, but we would try, and they would always. Not for this part. I think with this part, I think we wanted Vince and I think we got Vince, but I think there were other guys, because obviously we had this kind of, like, pipeline of guys. You know, there's a lot of guys. And there would be times where they would.

[Kristin Davis]

And I love that they wear the meat on the show.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, as opposed to every other show where the female is the meat. Like, it's true.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's true. But sometimes when I want those guys to come on the podcast, they don't want to come on the podcast. And I think it's because they had to do the difficult things.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I'm not really sure. And I'm sure they're all so busy, but you know what I mean? Like, it's an awkward part for them to be in sometimes, like a different.

[Kristin Davis]

But they loved it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I mean, I think they loved it. I don't know if all of them loved it. And I also think that sometimes after the fact, I mean, not so much.

[Charlotte]

Here, because Vince was already.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Already super famous and doing great, but sometimes, like, for instance, Bobby Cannavale with funky spunk, like, that's it. It's a very, very specific, very known.

[Kristin Davis]

They must have been saying that to him all the time.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Exactly.

[Kristin Davis]

You have to get over that. Yeah. I love Bobby Kahnevale.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

So do I.

[Charlotte]

Love him so much.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Love him so much. Dying to have him on the pod. Hasn't happened yet. Maybe it will, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I think it will.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I hope it will. Okay, so wait, let's go through these. It's funny, too, because, like, on the one hand, I had this weird blank in my mind about, like, I know we go to la, but I can't remember what all happens.

[Charlotte]

So much happened.

[Kristin Davis]

So much happens in this episode. There's so much going on.

[Charlotte]

It's true.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

And I loved Miranda's guy that I also had absolutely no memory of. Who is it? Who is it? What is that guy's name? Is it.

[Kristin Davis]

He's so cute. He's been in a million things.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Sam Cedar.

[Kristin Davis]

I think so.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Sam Cedar as Lou. It's Lou. Letterman.

[Bowen Yang]

Lou.

[Kristin Davis]

Letterman. Lou.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Letterman.

[Kristin Davis]

Lou. And he has an eating disorder.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Well, this is what's great. Okay.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

So here we are.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Are 25 years later or 28 years later or whatever it is, right. And I felt like all the LA things are still totally true.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Maybe not the boobs. You know what I mean? Boobs come and go in terms of.

[Kristin Davis]

That sounds fashion now.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Younger people are not so much for the fake boobs. Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Thank God.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank God.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But other things are still very true.

[Charlotte]

Right.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I dated a guy, an actor in Los Angeles who didn't chew it and then spit it out, but he just wouldn't eat, right? So he'd say, like, let's go out to dinner. So we'd go out to dinner to, like, an Italian restaurant or river. And I'd be so excited to order whatever pasta, right? And I say, like, what are you gonna order? And he's like, well, you know, maybe I'll get some steamed vegetables. And I'm like, oh, no. What do you mean? He's like, well, you know, I'm. You know, I'm eating clean. I'd be like, oh, okay. And then, like, when my food would come, he would say, say, can I smell it? I say, like, sure. So he'd take my plate and he'd be like, oh, no. He'd hold it up to his. To his face and, you know, like. Like waft the. The scent of the food and take a deep breath. And then he'd be like, ah.

[Charlotte]

And I'd be like, it. That. That's good enough.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You'd be like, yep, yep. I could smell it. Oh, no.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, no. Was it really skinny?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah, he had a great bar body. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he had a great body. But, you know, it was not fun for me.

[Kristin Davis]

No, no. That's stressful.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It was. And after a while, I was like, why are we going out if you're not going to eat? It's like, well, I like to be out in the world.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm gonna suck on these ice cubes for two hours.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Exactly. No, he would eat some kind of, like, lemon or. Or, you know what I'm saying? There were certain things that he would eat, but when. When I watched this part, I was like, oh, my God, it's like that guy. I'm not going to name him. He's an actor who is still working, let me say.

[Kristin Davis]

And still alive.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Still alive for sure. But I mean, it was.

[Charlotte]

He's healthy.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

You know what I mean? I mean, he eats something. He eats vegetables, I think. I mean, I don't know people, but, like, wow. I had flashbacks when I was watching this episode. And, like, they film in Earth Cafe. Did you.

[Kristin Davis]

Did you recognize Earth Cafe, the big place?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

There's still one in Santa Monica. Yeah, there's still an Earth Cafe.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Did they close the Melrose?

[Kristin Davis]

I think they did. Wow. I could be wrong, but I know there's like a long line of hungry people I know at Earth Cafe.

[Charlotte]

And they've got some good pumpkin pie.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

That's what I know about cafe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so here we are. Wait here. We're gonna start with Carrie. Cause that's the page I have up, so. I love that they go to this film. Well, we forgot the. The wax comes before the film. It's pretty funny. Sarah's commitment to Carrie talking about the wax too, where she's like, I was robbed. Is that what she says? Yes, Like, I was butchered.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I was like, something like.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

She's, like, so out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty funny. And it's the. The scenes where, like, they move your legs around. I mean, all women, I think, have.

[Charlotte]

Now been through this.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But at the time, it was a big thing. And I also remember the reason we knew it was a big thing, because at some point, either Harper's Bazaar or Vogue did this whole thing with Gwyneth Paltrow about waxing.

[Kristin Davis]

She's the first. Do you remember this stuff? The crazy stuff.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

But do you remember she said it literally changed her sex life getting this wax.

[Charlotte]

And we were like, what? I know, it's weird, right?

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

It's weird.

[Kristin Davis]

It's really weird. I love Miranda's line. She's like. She's like, LA man are so lazy. I know.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

They want to search for anything. I know, I know. It was really funny. It's a really funny scene. It's before I get there, but it's really funny. But then when I get there, they're.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

Like, you should go do this.

[Kristin Davis]

Why did they say to you, that's really mean? I thought that was really mean.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

I know, I know.

[Charlotte]

After.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

After Carrie's had this traumatic experience, they're like, you should go do it. And I do it. But then I don't say much about it, which is also interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Why don't I say much better.

[Kristin Davis]

You were okay with it.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

Or maybe that part got cut. But I do.

[Charlotte]

Look.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

I also I was surprised when Carrie is getting her waxing and she's like, like ow. Like really quiet. And then luckily when I go I'm like ow.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean? That's the appropriate response.

[Charlotte]

Yes.

[Jennifer Elise Cox]

For anyone who hasn't gotten waxed, be prepared. I'm sure you all have. But yeah, it's quite, quite something. Quite, quite something. That is not necessarily fun, you guys. This is so much fun that we are going to have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on Rus Charlotte. Real Talk There's a lemon shaped toy.

[Charlotte]

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[Charlotte]

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