What’s it like to date Carrie Bradshaw? Craig Bierko (Ray King) on his incredible scene partner Sarah Jessica Parker…

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Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: What’s it like to date Carrie Bradshaw? Craig Bierko (Ray King) on his incredible scene partner Sarah Jessica Parker…

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte?

Host: Kristin Davis
Guests: Sarah Jessica Parker, Craig Bierko
Release Date: April 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kristin Davis is joined by Craig Bierko (who played Ray King on Sex and the City) and Sarah Jessica Parker (Carrie Bradshaw) for an honest, funny, and deeply nostalgic discussion about Craig's memorable guest role and his unique behind-the-scenes experiences. Together, they explore on-set memories, Bierko’s experimental comedy projects, the brilliance and chemistry of Sarah Jessica Parker, and the enduring cultural relevance of Sex and the City’s themes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Craig Bierko’s Experience Filming Sex and the City

(03:41–04:33)

• Craig discusses balancing his theater work (The Music Man) with his guest role on the show.
• Recalls possibly taking a week off from the musical to accommodate filming but preferring not to be away from stage work for long.
• “I always feel like … if anything is different, you know, you're just like, I'm on stage doing a show. I'm on stage.” (Craig Bierko, 04:19)

Sarah Jessica Parker and Kristin Davis express how Bierko brought “a breath of fresh air” to the show’s narrative and the set.

• “You really were a breath of fresh air at that point… in terms of the storyline, but also your presence.”
  (Sarah Jessica Parker, 04:36)

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2. “Bathing With Bierko” – Precursor to Viral Content

(05:08–17:42)

• Craig recounts his concept for a surreal, awkward talk show set in a bathtub (“Bathing with Bierko”), inspired by the oddity of 1980s talk shows like Burt Reynolds’.
• “The original idea was to sit on the side of a tub, like in a caftan, and just sort of, like, brush the person and ask them questions ... and never reference it.” (Craig Bierko, 07:24)
• Landing John Malkovich as his first guest, filmed in Carrie Fisher’s extraordinary bathroom (complete with a baby grand piano).
  • “I explained the show to him... We'll be sitting in a tub that's too small for me, and I'm going to be bathing you… never reference it.” (Craig Bierko, 08:26)
  • On filming: “The whole idea is, let's make something that's so awkward you almost don't want to look at it… And all he did was he wanted a cup of black coffee and some direction. And I said, I think it's Charlie Rose. And instead of a wooden table, just pretend this is the way these shows are done.” (Craig Bierko, 10:29)
• The episode’s editing challenges: making the strangeness funny and sustainable.
  • “We realized… the guest is the straight man and I’m the idiot. And we just came up with the questions. Start out normal, and they get ridiculous.” (Craig Bierko, 11:55)
• Second episode with Richard Dreyfuss: refusal to remove his shirt, leading to comically awkward family involvement.
  • “His daughter and his wife had come up, and they were standing in the bathroom going, ‘Take the shirt off!’ ... I thought being in a tub with John Malkovich was weird, but I’m in the middle of a family argument in a tub with Richard Dreyfuss.” (Craig Bierko, 14:46)
• Bierko reflects on his comedy influences and the intentional discomfort:
  • “All I want is for you to feel weird.” (Craig Bierko, 16:57)
• The show’s viral pathway: catching the attention of influential figures like Lorne Michaels.
  • “This huge thing, it got away, you know, like the New York Times and then people writing, saying they wanted to be on it. And I met with Lorne Michaels.” (Craig Bierko, 17:02)

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3. Behind the Scenes of Sex and the City

(23:12–30:28)

• Discussion pivots back to the show:
  • The introduction of Sonia Braga as Samantha’s love interest and the delicate, subtext-filled handling of sexuality and relationships.
  • “It’s interesting… Samantha doesn’t say, ‘Oh, I am not into women.’ She says, ‘I'm not a relationship person.’”
    (Sarah Jessica Parker, 23:57)
• Craig reminisces:
  • “With you guys, I was always just putting my jaw back. I was standing at the craft service table trying not to drool.”
    (Craig Bierko, 25:12)
• They discuss the fun and challenges of recurring versus guest stars:
  • “It’s just fun to be on a show… with a carousel like that. People coming in and out, some staying longer than others.”
    (Craig Bierko, 25:47)
  • Chemistry is unpredictable: “Sometimes you walk into a room with somebody who’s… in your mind, they’re your best friend, but you realize it’s a part, it’s a role.” (Craig Bierko, 26:18)
• On meeting and working with Sarah Jessica Parker:
  • “She’s very smart. And so whatever she needed to draw out of me, I let her draw out…” (Craig Bierko, 27:30)

The Ray King storyline:

• Bierko discusses the arc and the challenge of performing Ray’s spiraling, scattered monologue.
  • “Once you get going... it’s not like you can unscatter yourself... it’s like you’re leaping from obsession to obsession.” (Craig Bierko, 28:15)
  • “Memorizing lists is the worst... it really was like, ‘I like swordfish. Have you been to the baseball game?’” (Craig Bierko, 28:50)
• Inspired by Carrie Fisher: “Lead with whatever your thing is.” (Craig Bierko, 29:18)
• Importance of treating Ray’s mental health issues with respect, not as a punchline.
  • “I did think I want to do this, but I’m not going to let them make fun of it. And it never came up... It was funny in the way that life is funny and it is funny.” (Craig Bierko, 29:43)
  • “It also was... properly sad at the end... one of the great things about the show is it just didn’t go ‘and next week’s episode.’ Like it had resonance.” (Craig Bierko, 30:16)
  • “Resonance. That’s a good word.” (Sarah Jessica Parker, 30:28)

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4. Reflections, Unused Ideas, and the “Charlotte” Question

(33:39–38:44)

• Bierko pitches his idea for a cameo in a later Sex and the City film: a fleeting, awkward encounter between Ray and Carrie in a supermarket.
  • “Carrie’s walking ... looks in a storefront and there’s Ray, looking at a can of tuna, and their eyes meet...” (Craig Bierko, 34:40)
• He reflects on not pushing for the cameo, sensing the shift in tone in the later films.
  • “I don't know that I like even going into the room as a character who would be associated with the last [season].” (Craig Bierko, 36:06)
• Sarah Jessica Parker and Kristin Davis warmly wish he’d stopped by:
  • “We could have used your energy...” (Sarah Jessica Parker, 36:09)

The signature question:

• Would Craig describe himself as a Charlotte?
  • “Because of all the... yours was the one, every... I know it’s a trope to say you’re a Carrie... but I like to think of myself as a full, rich human being... contradictions. I contain multitudes. ... And the way that you played it too—it was always just a very—I couldn’t figure... I wasn’t ahead of the character, is what I’m saying.” (Craig Bierko, 36:56–38:08)
• Kristin and Sarah appreciate the compliment and credit Michael Patrick King with shaping Charlotte’s arc.
  • “I think some of that really I have to credit Michael Patrick ... he would envision her arc in such a way that it was really grounded.” (Sarah Jessica Parker, 38:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Craig Bierko on his character Ray King:
  “I think [Ray] just needed to be likable and he needed to have his interests and really like her... It’s a bit of a fake-out, you know, until he opens the door and ... it just all starts unraveling.”
  (Craig Bierko, 27:30)

• On the surreal comedy of “Bathing With Bierko”:
  “The whole idea is, let's make something that's so awkward you almost don't want to look at it.”
  (Craig Bierko, 10:29)

  “All I want is for you to feel weird.”
  (Craig Bierko, 16:57)

• On chemistry with Sarah Jessica Parker/Carrie Bradshaw:
  “There’s nothing like it.”
  (Craig Bierko, 26:16)

• On the show’s emotional complexity:
  “It also was... properly sad at the end. I was glad that they didn’t just make it a... throwaway joke... it was one of the great things about the show.”
  (Craig Bierko, 30:05)

• On being a “Charlotte”:
  “I like to think of myself as a full, rich human being... contradictions. I contain multitudes... I don’t feel like I was able to pigeonhole Charlotte that way.”
  (Craig Bierko, 37:06–38:08)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:41 – Introduction of Craig Bierko, reflections on balancing “The Music Man” with Sex and the City.
• 05:08 – The genesis of “Bathing With Bierko” and its first awkward episodes.
• 08:26 – Convincing John Malkovich to appear in the tub talk show.
• 11:54 – Realizing the show's comedic approach (the guest as straight man, Bierko as absurd).
• 13:38 – Getting Richard Dreyfuss for a second tub episode.
• 16:57 – On intentionally making viewers feel “weird.”
• 23:12 – Dive into Samantha’s romance with Sonia Braga and the show's approach to sexuality.
• 25:47 – Bierko, Davis, and Parker discuss the pleasures and pitfalls of recurring vs. guest actors.
• 28:39 – Bierko on playing Ray King and delivering his anxious monologue.
• 29:18 – Lessons from Carrie Fisher about authenticity and “leading with your thing.”
• 34:40 – Bierko describes his idea for a Ray King cameo in the films.
• 36:56 – “Are you a Charlotte?” Craig’s nuanced, thoughtful response.

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Summary

This episode offers a fascinating look behind the scenes at one of Sex and the City’s most memorable guest roles, with Craig Bierko sharing both hilarious and poignant stories from set and from his own experimental comedy career. Through personal anecdotes, thoughtful insights, and an irrepressible sense of humor, Bierko, Davis, and Parker reflect on the enduring magic of Sex and the City, the nature of chemistry onscreen, and why great characters—and actors—are never just one thing.

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Transcript

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[Craig Bierko]

oh, yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to are you a Charlotte? We have Craig Bierko, Part 2.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So great as Ray King, as I'm

[Kristen Davis]

sure you all remember.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So when you.

[Craig Bierko]

You.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

You were doing the music man, you were at the tail end. So you were you simultaneously filming with.

[Kristen Davis]

With us and still performing?

[Craig Bierko]

I think so. I may have. I may have taken the week off, but I don't know. I didn't like to take too much time off because I always feel like it's always. If anything is different.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

You know, you're just like, I'm on stage doing a show. I'm on stage. You know, you just.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, whatever. That's incredible.

[Craig Bierko]

But I think I did take a week and then I think. I don't know if they bought me back or it was originally for two episodes. I don't remember.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

There was some kind of an extension situation, I feel like.

[Craig Bierko]

Thanks.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. Because I think you were just so great and Sarah loved you so much, and I think everyone was so happy, and it was just such a. You really were a breath of fresh air at that point, you know, in terms of the storyline, but also your presence. And I do remember, and we're gonna talk about the episode in a minute, but I do remember something, and I feel like this was something that you were doing in life. Like, it was kind of like a precursor to social media in a way. Like, you had a blog or a vlog or a something.

[Kristen Davis]

Do you remember this was it?

[Craig Bierko]

Well, I had a very crazy first episode of a talk show.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Maybe that's what it was. You had something that we were like, wow, he's so multifaceted.

[Craig Bierko]

It might have been. Was it bathing with Bierko?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes.

[Craig Bierko]

Oh, my God. What was it? Yeah. I'm so proud of that. I did. I had this crazy idea of I love talk shows, but I also. Sometimes they really get lost with talk shows. And I remember I was joking around with a friend of mine, and I think we were talking about Burt Reynolds used to have a talk show, like, in the 80s.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

He was trying. Yeah, it was that sort of like, he dunks that stroker ace. Post stroker ace. The Lonnie. Wow. What am I doing?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Like, okay, okay.

[Craig Bierko]

I'm an aging guy. Sometimes I, I don't know. I, I'm. He was throwing all kinds of messages out to everybody.

[Yasso Advertiser]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

About what he was and what he. What his predilections were. Not that any of that matters, but it was a confusing Burt Reynolds period.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay. Okay.

[Craig Bierko]

And I remember he had a talk show called Burt Reynolds talking with something like that.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay.

[Craig Bierko]

And it was. And, oh, it was. I remember watching it and going, oh, my God. And no offense, but this was the feeling. I was like, every time I watch this show, I feel like whenever it's over, I feel like I'm just getting off of a great gay cruise. It was so. It was so like they shot him like they shot Barbara Walters in her specials or Dinah Shore with just this fuzz. And he always had, like, a pastel sweater and flowers. And that always made me laugh. And it was always, like, the same guests, Dom DeLuise, Jim Nabors. And it was like, am I watching a talk show or am I at, you know, what was that called? Plato's Retreat. What's happening?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow. Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

You know, it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't that. I'm not that far off. It was. It was strange, and it lasted like, two episodes or something.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Bierko]

This isn't right. This isn't right. This isn't right. But I remember that. And I remember joking around with a friend and thinking the only thing that would have been. Set me more ill at ease, I think, was if. If he. He was bathing his guests.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God, where are we going?

[Craig Bierko]

We actually started talking about, like, wouldn't that be funny? And I thought, maybe I should shoot that. And there was no. This was pre Internet. So I was like, where would I. I don't know. I would think I was just riffing. And the original idea was to sit on the side of a tub, like in a caftan, and just sort of, like, brush the person and ask them questions like you're asking me. And I'm just. And never reference it. Never reference what? And then I, I, I had lunch with a. A friend of mine. This guy, Rob Cohen, comedy writer, came off the Simpsons Very funny guy. And I told him about the show. He said, just do it. Just do it. And so he found some camera people for me. And I. I told my agent at the time, and she said, you think Malkovich would do it? And I said, are you asking me? What? I said. She goes, let me ask him. And I said, oh, my God. And so he said, yes. And I had to go to the. I had to go, is this too much?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, I love it. I love it. What on earth.

[Craig Bierko]

I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel where he was. He had a bungalow, and I met with him. And I'm sitting there, and I explained the show to him. We'll be sitting in a tub that's too small for me, and I'm going to be bathing you, and I'm just going to ask you. And at that point, I wanted it to just be straight, like just, you know, a ridiculous situation. I'm just going to ask you about Steppenwolf and, you know, your fashion line and all that. He. And he said, okay. I said, I want to tell you what it is again, just because I think I should have told you twice, but maybe you didn't hear it. So I told him again. He goes, yeah, it's okay. And he showed up. It was shot. A good friend of mine, may she rest in peace, the other Carrie in my life. I'm sorry.

[Kristen Davis]

That's okay.

[Craig Bierko]

Carrie Fisher.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

I get a go over.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, Carrie Fisher, who was also on our show.

[Craig Bierko]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get to know her at all?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Not. No, no. We tried to leave her alone because I remember it was the LA episodes, and everybody was so excited, but we didn't want to, like, overwhelm the situation, you know?

[Craig Bierko]

But she was unoverwhelmed.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Incredible. Oh, we should have. We should have.

[Craig Bierko]

She lived in overwhelm. That. That was. That's her comfort zone.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right, right, right. Wow. She was involved also.

[Craig Bierko]

She. Well, that's her tub. Because I was staying in her gas. I've been living on and off for a couple of years.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And so I remember looking at that tub, and it was hilarious because it was a bathroom, but it had room for three cameras, and there was a piano in it because Carrie Fisher would have a piano. And so even if we wanted to have a band, whatever wanted to do. But we had cameras there. Not big ones, but we had cameras. And it was crazy. It was almost like the room was crying out for it. I think Edith. Edith Head built the house, and then Bette Davis lived there.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Bierko]

And then Carrie Fisher.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

So we, we did it. I, I think if you, it's something you can show actors because John Malkovich is so brilliant because it's a ridiculous situation. And the whole idea is, let's make something that's so awkward you almost don't want to look at it. Wow. And, yeah, it was just, it was just there was just seemed. That's all. It was just wrong. And, and, and all he did was he wanted a cup of black coffee and some direction. And I said, I think it's Charlie Rose. And instead of a wooden table, just pretend this is the way these shows are done. You've done a million of these.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And probably don't want to, you know, whatever it is, just treat it like a talk show. He went, okay. And that's exactly what. We laughed once. But it was because I, I, it suddenly occurred to me that I'm. I'm spooning John Malkovich.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

This is crazy. Oh, my God. We have a picture.

[Craig Bierko]

How did that happen?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Easton, my producer, he's so good. This is so crazy that we need a picture to fully understand what is happening. Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

I have other pictures that are hilarious.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my gosh.

[Craig Bierko]

I'll give you a scoop. I'll give you a scoop. I can't believe I'm on the. I'm on a show to talk about sex in the city. I'm talking about bathing with people. But this is great.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I need to know about this.

[Craig Bierko]

We shot the thing, but I don't think we knew what we had. It took us a couple of weeks to edit it because we were, we were like, is this an hour long thing? Because we had an hour of it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

Did we show the whole thing? Because a lot of the conversation was just interesting. He was talking about Steppenwolf. And, and the more we edited it, the more we realized. Oh. Because we were trying to figure out, we know it's funny, but how do we sustain this? Yeah, it's a weird idea, but how do we make it funny and comfortable? You know? And then we realized, oh, the, the guest is the straight man and I'm the idiot. And, and we just came up with the questions. Start out normal, and they get ridiculous. At one point, I'm just asking him to repeat words that sound strange. You know, wow, whatever. And, and he played along brilliantly. And then. So for the. And then we put it out and we didn't know what to expect. And was one of the early, like, viral videos.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I knew. Okay, this is exactly because I remember, sir. Jessica being like, you wouldn't believe what Craig Beer Co is doing. We were like, what? But yeah, it was.

[Craig Bierko]

That was after that. But that was after the Music man, so that would have come out.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Got it, Got it. No, I think you guys were still chatting or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think. Did we have our. I think we had our Blackberries at that point. I think this was the days of the Blackberries.

[Craig Bierko]

I remember I would make fun of her all the time because I could never figure one out. I just was on.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, she got me into it. We lived on those things. We lived on a different time.

[Craig Bierko]

That feels like. It feels like we're, like, in wagons or something using blackberries. It's true.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

So, wait, what happened with the bathtub show?

[Craig Bierko]

Oh, it was a. It was a big deal. And unfortunately, I didn't see eye to eye with what Rob wanted to do because we shot a second one. And that was the thing is, for every 100 letters we'd send out, we'd get maybe one response, because who wants. You know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, I'd be scared to death.

[Craig Bierko]

Yeah. So that's. Of course, that's why it was so good to have one episode in the can that we could show people. But anyway, of all people, Richard Dreyfuss saw it and said, I want to do it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God, I want to do it.

[Craig Bierko]

And I almost drove off the road. I was like, okay, great. And he knew Carrie. He knew Carrie. So this was all great.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

It all was falling into place. And he wouldn't take his shirt off. He wouldn't get undressed.

[Podcast Host]

So.

[Craig Bierko]

And so, you know, we. We figured, well, we'll. We'll shoot it if I can find it. I'll look while I'm here.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Bierko]

I'll give you an exclusive. But there is an episode. There's a. There's a second episode with. It's the. The first episode I'm very pleased with. It's so surreal. And you don't. It just sort of clobbers you over the head. And the second one was. We thought, like, what do you do? Once the joke is. I mean, it's a very simple premise, right? I don't. And I didn't know if it was a show. I thought maybe it's a New Yorker cartoon, just one thing out. But we had R do it, and it's funnier. It's really funny. He was really funny, but he. It looks like he's sitting in the tub with his clothes on. He must have been self conscious. Or something.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

But the most surreal thing, and probably my favorite part of the whole experience, was his daughter and his wife had come up, and they were standing in the bathroom going, take the shirt off. Because I'm not gonna take the shirt off. I'm not gonna take it off.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And I'm sitting in a tub going, I thought being in a tub with John Malkovich was weird, but I'm in the middle of a family argument in a tub with Richard Dreyfuss. And I just loved my life, but it wasn't right. And I just thought, I'm glad he came. It was really nice to meet him. It was funny. I mean, we had the mashed potatoes.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Crazy. Super fascinating.

[Craig Bierko]

He was doing. Oh, God. It was cr. I had him repeat. I said the thing you. That line and Jaws. It made me want to be an actor. Wow. This was no boating accident. Can you do that? And he did it. And I said, but do it like you did it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh.

[Craig Bierko]

And he did it. And I went, I don't know. I don't know what you're doing. And I just. He played along with it. It was just a lot of awkward. It was just whatever was awkward.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It sounds like a precursor to, like, so much of what is online at this point. And also it makes me think of the show that Zach Galifianakis did, like the Fearne Show. Do you remember that?

[Craig Bierko]

It was similar to that.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. Wow. You were ahead of your time, Craig.

[Craig Bierko]

Well, I just loved. You know what I love Will Ferrell. And Will Ferrell had sort of introduced this comedy of discomfort. You know, him walking into a room with tiny underwear on, and he just doesn't notice it, and he's just reaching past you and stuff like that. But it's safe because, you know, the underwear isn't going to come off. And, you know, and it was brilliant. But I thought, what would be. What's the next step?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And I think it was, to this day, people are like, you're. You're not naked in the tub, are you? And I'm like, it's John Malkovich. What do you. What do you think? Which means nothing. And. And I just love that people were like, you were. And then to this day, they're just like, I love it. But that's weird.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's super.

[Craig Bierko]

All I want is for you to feel weird.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

So that was great.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

This huge thing, it got away, you know, like the New York Times and then people writing, saying they wanted to be on it. And I met with Lorne Michaels.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

And I'm like, this is crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And Lorne Michaels is saying, I can't tell Andy Sandberg at the time was on the cast. He goes, I can't tell Andy Sandberg that he can't have the last sketch in the show because some guy in California. I said, yeah, I don't know why I'm here either. And I just said, this is. This can't. I don't know where this would fit into your show. I love your show. And I said, can I just use my 10 minute to ask you questions? He said, sure. Wow.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, that's a great story.

[Craig Bierko]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh my gosh. Super fascinating. You're very, very interesting. I knew this.

[Craig Bierko]

I'll send you pictures because I have pictures of Richard Dreyfuss I'd love.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, I'd love to see. I'd love to see. I knew there was something where I was like, he did something really odd after and I couldn't remember what it was. So. Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Let's talk about Samantha for a second. This would be the beginning of Samantha trying to have a relationship with a woman, which I don't even.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Like, I don't know what. What led to this decision to do this. We're gonna have to ask Michael Patrick

[Kristen Davis]

when he comes back.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But. And then I don't know how we got Sonia Braga, of all people. Like, wow, wow. And it's interesting because she's. You know, they meet at the art gallery and she wants to buy her at work. And then she realizes she's gay because the ladies around her. And then she goes to her studio and they do, which is interesting. And then there's kind of a vibe. But then Samantha doesn't say, oh, I am not into women. She says, I'm not a relationship person.

[Craig Bierko]

Right.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Which is interesting. And Sonja Braga looks so crestfallen. And for me, when I was watching it, I thought there was so much kind of subtext about what lesbians want. Right. Cause Sonia Braga could have been like, well, I'm not a relationship person either. Exactly. Right. Right. But the thought was like, oh, no. Relationship are like, what. What this character wants.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

And I guess it is because then there's. There's some.

[Craig Bierko]

Has that ever been laid out or hinted to before that she might have an interest in there?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Not that I'm aware of. I mean, except that she just kind of was interested in whatever. Right. Like, her thing was like, I'm sexual and I'm free. You know what I mean? So from that perspective, it doesn't make sense. She says something like, you know, I've done the women thing, but it's mostly been with a man and a woman or whatever. So it is very interesting. And I still. I'm basically watching this show as though I've never seen it at this point.

[Craig Bierko]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It is. I don't remember any of this section of our show. I don't know if I was just really tired. I don't know why I don't remember it. But it's super interesting to watch. I don't know what's gonna happen. I know they're gonna try. But it's also interesting because Sonja Braga is just such an interesting Actress and so different.

[Craig Bierko]

Beautiful.

[Kristen Davis]

My God. Gorgeous.

[Craig Bierko]

I used to just stand there. I had to, like, with you guys. I was always just putting my jaw back.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Aw.

[Craig Bierko]

I was standing at the craft service table trying not to drool.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

That's so nice. I think we were just very excited that a new man had shown up finally, finally for Carrie. But also in general, you know what I mean? Because for a while we used to have like, revolving, revolving, revolving. And then we got into these kind of longer storylines and the.

[Craig Bierko]

Longer storylines.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. Which on the one hand, as an actor is wonderful. Right, right. Like you're just digging in. But on the other hand, there's something fun about having new people.

[Craig Bierko]

Yeah, yeah. There's. It's, it's. It's both of those things. It's just fun to be on a show with a. That's, it's like a carousel like that. People coming in and out, some staying longer than others.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

It's worth it if it's worth it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes, definitely.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely.

[Craig Bierko]

The rest to feed your core cast. They're the people we're really watching, you know, that's true.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

But I also think, like, with you guys especially, I was just thinking about kind of the joys of being an actor and having chemistry with somebody.

[Craig Bierko]

There's nothing like it.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

I couldn't have guessed. Well, you know, you're all very winning and like, that's why you're on the show. And like. But sometimes you walk into a room with somebody who's. You're like, in your mind, they're your best friend, but you realize it's a part, it's a role. You're not that person.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yes.

[Craig Bierko]

And I didn't find her necessary. She's a. She was very approachable. I don't know that she would have remembered. We did another movie. There was a movie called Till There Was you. We were both in, but we didn't cross paths on it at all. But. And that was a few years. Wow. Beforehand, but pretty forgettable movie. Gene Triple horn. Wow. Dylan McDermott.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No way. I don't even think I've seen this.

[Craig Bierko]

They were the Tracy and Hepburn of the. Of the movie. But Sarah Jessica Parker had the, you know, attention getting role of the ex girlfriend.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, got it.

[Craig Bierko]

And she got to be really. I remember, I just remember a scene in a restaurant where she was being really funny.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Okay.

[Craig Bierko]

And I think we stood next to each other for a second, but we didn't really, you know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right, right.

[Craig Bierko]

And so I didn't know what to expect. And maybe based on that experience, I thought, maybe she's gonna be like a movie star and it's just gonna be a gig.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh.

[Craig Bierko]

But it wasn't. The minute I came in, I was like, actually, during the meeting, I got it. She's very smart. And so whatever. Whatever she needed to draw out of me, I let her draw out, which was this. I think just sort of somebody who. I think that he just needed to be likable and he needed to have his interests and really like her. And I think it's a bit of a fake out, you know, until he opens the door and he's like, I don't know what shirt to put. Put on. And then it. It just all starts unraveling.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. Which is kind of sad. Kind of sad.

[Craig Bierko]

It is kind of sad. But I always appreciate it in a way that it didn't have to be. And also, that is the fight. It is that ridiculous.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right?

[Craig Bierko]

That was a tough scene, though, because he's. His mind starts. It starts sparking and it feeds on itself. You know, once you get going like the. Once. It's not like you can unscatter yourself if you gotta, like, sit down or, you know, there are ways to work through it. But to keep talking about whatever the obsession of the. It's like you're leaping from obsession to obsession.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Interesting.

[Craig Bierko]

So he was talking about, like, why is there no skeet shooting in New York? Oh, you know what? I've made fish, like. And it. It was a. To memorize because nothing had any, you know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, that's really hard.

[Craig Bierko]

Memorizing lists is the worst. Nothing to do. And it really was like, I like swordfish. Have you been to the baseball game? You know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, my God, yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

And it all had to be. And. And you couldn't just do it like a joke. It had to be, you know. Do you, like, sort specific? Well, I wanted to ask you about the kid. Yeah. So there was all this sort of. And it was really weird because, like I said. And this was another thing I got from Carrie Fisher was lead with whatever your thing is, you know?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

Like, she, she. That's the way she always was. And it was so inspiring, you know, that, you know, she used to say, I used to get awards for acting, now I get them for being nuts. But she wasn't nuts. It was something that she normalized for herself, but most importantly for other people. Definitely really made a dent in this world. Just like Michael J. Fox is doing now.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

He's making a difference. Absolutely.

[Craig Bierko]

And that was important. And it was important for me. Like I thought, I did think I want to do this, but I'm not going to let them make fun of it. And it never came up. Oh, I'm so glad it never came up. It was funny in the way that life is funny and it is funny.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right. Right.

[Craig Bierko]

But it was, it also was, it was properly sad at the end. I was glad that they didn't just make it a, you know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

A throwaway joke like. Oh, he's. That's what. That was his problem.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

That's why he. I think it was. And the way she played it. They, they showed her walking home.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

And it was a genuine disappointment. Gravity. I really thought that was. It's one of the great things about the show is it just didn't go. And next week's episode. Like it had resonance.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right? Resonance. That's a good word. Absolutely true. Absolutely true.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I just want to say thank you. Thank you for joining us, but also than thank you for being part of our show that I love so much. And your part, so great.

[Craig Bierko]

When you guys. I think. I don't know which movie it was. And then when you guys did the. The sequel to the series, one day you were shooting literally across from my apartment. Well, I was down on Horatio. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you were there, but. But there was something. The show was shooting at. At the Whitney.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, yeah. I was there. I was there.

[Kristen Davis]

We were.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

We were all there. Oh, my God.

[Craig Bierko]

And I had had a thought when. I think when you guys were doing that, maybe it was the third or. I don't remember which movie was. But I just thought, I want to pitch this idea, and I don't even want to be paid because it's nothing. And I just think it's a funny idea, which was Carrie's walking between scenes, so you literally wouldn't have to change anything. But she's walking from one thing to another. Looks in a storefront, and there's Ray, like, looking at a can of tuna, and their eyes meet.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Wow.

[Craig Bierko]

And he goes like that. And she goes in. She goes, ray, how. How are you? How have you been? Okay. I think of you from time to time, and you actually think, is he going to be. And then she goes, it's funny, you know, I don't know if you remember Big, Mr. Big and starts. And then looks up and I'm gone. And I'm literally across the street. I've seen somebody else that I know,

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

and I'm just there going, just like.

[Craig Bierko]

It's just A quick add cameo.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It would be sad all over again.

[Craig Bierko]

I was gonna. I was gonna run over to the Whitney and I thought, I can't be the guy pitching apart.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, but it would have been so cute. You should have just come say hi.

[Craig Bierko]

I would have. I should have said.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

You should have. We were there for a long time. We were there for a long time.

[Craig Bierko]

That was a heavy time, though, too.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

It's true.

[Craig Bierko]

I also. I didn't. I think the reason I didn't was because there was. There was some press about, like, we're not going. It's not gonna. You know, the world has changed, so it' to be the happy go lucky. Let's get shoes, you know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, really say that.

[Kristen Davis]

That's true.

[Craig Bierko]

That's not what. That's not what they said. That was Lib. But that. But. But they. They. They did say. It's not. It's not going to be. It's not going to be the same tone.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

It's not. It's a. It's. They really wanted to find the gravity of where would these people be? And time is going on. So there is that element. And I thought. I don't know that I like even going into the room as a character, as a guy who would be associated with the last.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

True, though. We could have used your energy, like,

[Craig Bierko]

oh, okay, well, 2020 hindsight. But I.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

2020 hindsight.

[Craig Bierko]

Of course, this is gonna be like, oh, it's gonna be shot, like, you know, with handheld, and it's gonna be very important, like, the whole thing, you know?

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

No, I didn't know at that point. So I thought the last thing they need is the, you know.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, you're so sweet.

[Craig Bierko]

I didn't. It was an impulse. It wasn't.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah, I get it. But we would have loved to see you. It's always fun when you guys come back. I mean, I don't know if we'll ever come back, but who knows with this job?

[Craig Bierko]

Sex and space. Sex and space.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Sex and space. I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could do whatever we want. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Okay, wait. I have one more question that I can't forget to ask you. It's a little weird, but would you describe yourself, Craig, as a Charlotte?

[Craig Bierko]

I think I would. Because of all the, you know, yours was the one every. I know. That's a. It's a trope.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah.

[Craig Bierko]

To say you're a carrier.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

I. I wouldn't know. I. I like to think of myself as a full, rich Human being.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Right.

[Craig Bierko]

You know, contradictions.

[Kristen Davis]

Sure.

[Craig Bierko]

I contain multitudes. Of course, I felt like I knew who, you know. Yes. It's exceptionally well written, but I could identify. I could almost guess how every character was going to react to things was always a pleasant surprise because it was written smartly and they wouldn't. But I knew the characters. And I don't feel like I was able to pigeonhole Charlotte that way.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, that's nice.

[Craig Bierko]

In that way, I like to think that I am a Charlotte.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Love it.

[Craig Bierko]

I don't. You know, I don't feel like I fit into any category. It used to frustrate the hell out of me, and now it just frustrates the. Out of me. But, no, honestly, I. I know. I know it was. I know that there were differences that that's. That set your character apart. And maybe it was just the situations that seemed a little bit more grounded sometimes.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, thank you. That's so nice.

[Craig Bierko]

And. And the way that you played it, too. It was always just a very. I couldn't. I couldn't figure. I wasn't ahead of the character, is what I'm saying.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Oh, thank you. I mean, I think some of that really, I have to credit Michael Patrick with, because I think he would envision her arc in such a way that it was really grounded, and then I would just trust him, you know, and it always would kind of veer around in ways that I wouldn't even see coming. But yet her self was always the same, meaning, like, grounded, you know? Well, you were a joy. Thank you so, so much. Thank you.

[Craig Bierko]

Thank you so much. It's my pleasure.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you for being here.

[Craig Bierko]

It's really nice to get to talk to you.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

I know. Thank you.

[Craig Bierko]

Because I feel like I've been associated with you, but it's like. Like, that's my younger sister. By the time she was born, I was in college.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

No, no, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. But also, yeah, it is that frustrating thing where, like, I didn't always get to connect with everybody, you know, that's

[Craig Bierko]

part of being a show.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Yeah. Yeah. But it's nice to get to do so now.

[Craig Bierko]

I'm glad you're doing it.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you.

[Sarah Jessica Parker]

Thank you. I'm glad that you joined us. You added so much.

[Craig Bierko]

Thank you so much.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Sarah Jessica Parker]

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