When 40 Seemed Old... (S3 E8 "The Big Time")

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte? — “When 40 Seemed Old...”

Podcast: Are You A Charlotte?
Host: Kristin Davis (with Allison and Easton)
Episode: S3E8 Recap — "The Big Time"
Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Are You A Charlotte? dives into Season 3, Episode 8 ("The Big Time") of Sex and the City. Kristin Davis, joined by producer Easton and co-host Allison, explores the cultural landscape of relationships, shifting attitudes toward marriage, women’s health, and friendship—both as depicted in the episode and in today’s world. The conversation weaves personal anecdotes, behind-the-scenes tidbits, and larger social commentary, all while recapping the episode’s key storylines and their relevance 25 years later.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Generational Shifts in Relationships

[04:08–08:08]

• The crew discusses a viral article pondering “Is having a boyfriend now embarrassing?” and shifting views on relationships across generations.
• Allison highlights the pressure women used to feel about marriage, with generational gaps creating new attitudes:

  "Now, that's not—that's like a free-for-all. Which I think is as it should be, you know?" [05:37, Allison]

• Social media adds new pressures ("Instagram official" etc.), making relationships appear glossier than reality.

Memorable Quote

• Easton: "As a man, I will lead the march of that—you know, other than, like, reaching things on a high shelf." [04:20]

2. Relationship Power Dynamics & Societal Expectations

[08:08–13:04]

• The group unpacks how relationship benefits can skew toward men, particularly noting continued societal biases.
• Easton shares a story: his wife couldn’t get a response from a venue until he—using the same email—was answered immediately:

  "That was the first time I had ever really seen that. And I was like, this happens every day all around me. And it's so sad." [08:38, Easton]

• Allison counters with a powerful personal anecdote defending the value both partners bring, especially in times of crisis (i.e. supporting a friend with cancer).

Notable Quote

• Allison: "You're in it together, you know, you're in life together. And that's the beautiful thing, right?" [11:51]

3. Motherhood, Economics & Emotional Labor

[12:14–13:04]

• Allison calls out the economic consequences women shoulder, particularly with motherhood:

  "Especially when you become a mother, your economics get totally wrecked… for the women. Because that's how the system is set up." [12:35, Allison]

• Articles questioning boyfriend value reflect real, often-overlooked, gendered burdens.

4. Miranda & Steve’s Crossroads: Baby or Breakup?

[14:30–28:29]

• Recap and dissection of Miranda and Steve’s storyline—Steve’s childish charm and push for a baby, Miranda’s career focus, and their emotional mismatch.
• Easton and Allison note how believable David Eigenberg is as Steve, playing the endearing man-child perfectly:

  “He really is so believable… like, he's so open and honest and adorable, but then just one second later, he goes too far and he's annoying, you know what I'm saying?” [15:12, Allison]

• The “puppy as starter baby” arc:
  • Steve’s manipulation to get a puppy, ignoring Miranda’s clear signals, culminates in a breakup.
  • Miranda’s frustration and mixed emotions are highlighted:

    “She shakes him so hard. It really made me laugh. ... She basically just gets up and breaks up with him in the middle of the night.” [26:51, Allison]

Memorable Moments

• Easton: (on Steve’s Scooby-Doo mix-up) “No, it is not Steve...There’s no ghosts!” [21:22]
• The emotional realism:

  “She has been trying for a long time.” [27:35, Allison]

5. Fertility, Menopause, and Breaking Taboos

[28:29–35:15]

• The episode introduces menopause to Samantha’s story—surprisingly early in the series.
• The podcasters reflect on how groundbreaking and awkward the ‘bathroom tampon scene’ felt to shoot:

  "Is it supposed to be funny or is it supposed to be awkward? I guess it's just supposed to be awkward." [30:11, Allison]

• Discussion expands to personal and cultural experiences with menopause, the pressures of the ticking biological clock, and the importance of normalizing these conversations:

  "We were ahead of our time, people. Ahead of our time, man." [28:50, Allison]

• Kristin shares real-life experiences with menopause, echoing the candidness of Sex and the City’s scripts:

  “When it finally hit me, I was like, what the fuck? Like what?... It is actually like someone has just thrown a bucket of water at you.” [35:01–35:03, Kristin Davis]

Notable Quote

• Allison: “You do not want to lose your hormones. Like, you gotta pack those hormones in a special place if you're traveling.” [33:49]

6. Charlotte and Trey’s Wholesome Courtship

[39:29–43:13]

• Charlotte’s storyline is examined as a contrast to the others: her gentler “games” with Trey and the sweetness of their mutual respect.
• The hosts find the Charlotte/Trey dynamic charming instead of contrived, with Charlotte—often unexpectedly—leading the pace.
• Playful banter about “kissing with extras” and choosing deliberate intimacy over rushing:

  “I don't think there's anything wrong with getting to know somebody before you jump in bed with them.” [41:01, Allison]

• Easton shares his own slow-dating philosophy:

  “I always wanted an emotional connection before I did that.” [42:05, Easton]

7. Game-Changing Writing & Enduring Relevance

[45:16–47:17]

• The group marvels at the deftness of Season 3’s writing in planting story seeds for later payoff.
• Sex and the City’s serialized storytelling is described as ahead of its time, balancing long arcs with episodic accessibility.

  "They weave everything in and so well done. Really gonna pay off.” [45:41, Allison] “Why we can, 25 years later, talk about the theme and have it still be interesting.” [46:49, Allison]

• Fond reflections on the impact, with Kristin expressing gratitude:

  “I never would have dreamt in a million hundred years that we would be here discussing the themes and the characters and the relationships. It's cuckoo. But I love it. It's such a gift.” [46:59, Allison]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “As a man, I will lead the march of that—you know, other than, like, reaching things on a high shelf.” — Easton [04:20]
• "Now, that's not—that's like a free-for-all. Which I think is as it should be, you know?" — Allison [05:37]
• "That was the first time I had ever really seen that. And I was like, this happens every day all around me. And it's so sad." — Easton [08:38]
• "You're in it together, you know, you're in life together. And that's the beautiful thing, right?" — Allison [11:51]
• “He really is so believable…like, he's so open and honest and adorable, but then just one second later, he goes too far and he's annoying, you know what I'm saying?” — Allison (on Steve) [15:12]
• “Is it supposed to be funny or is it supposed to be awkward? I guess it’s just supposed to be awkward.” — Allison (on the bathroom scene) [30:11]
• “You do not want to lose your hormones. Like, you gotta pack those hormones in a special place if you're traveling. …If you lose those hormones…I mean, it goes south quick, man. I mean, quick.” — Kristin Davis [33:49]
• "I always wanted an emotional connection before I did that." — Easton [42:05]
• "They weave everything in and so well done. Really gonna pay off.” — Allison [45:41]
• “It’s such a gift.” — Allison [46:59]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:44] Show Begins – Welcome, Recap Scope
• [04:08–08:08] Generational attitudes toward relationships & marriage
• [08:08–13:04] Gendered dynamics and social media pressures
• [14:30–28:29] Miranda & Steve: dogs, babies, breakups
• [28:29–35:15] Samantha’s menopause arc, feminine aging taboos
• [39:29–43:13] Charlotte/Trey’s relationship pacing, emotional connection
• [45:16–47:17] Reflection on writing; long-arc storytelling and the show’s legacy

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Closing Thoughts

• The episode blends nostalgia, humor, and modern commentary, using Sex and the City’s storylines as a springboard to discuss how conversations about gender, relationships, and women’s health have evolved—and stayed relevant.
• The hosts’ chemistry, authentic industry insights, and personal perspectives make this recap poignant and entertaining for longtime fans as well as new listeners.

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Summary prepared for listeners who want a deep-dive recap, key themes, standout quotes, and a sense of the lively, insightful energy of the episode.

Transcript

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Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? And welcome back, everyone, to our.

[Allison]

You a Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

This is part two with our wonderful producer Easton.

[Allison]

We are breaking down season three, episode eight of the best season. I think I might change my mind when we watch more, but, you know, I think that's it.

[Kristin Davis]

Anyway, here we are. Welcome back.

[Easton]

I was just talking to Evie, who works on this show, about. There was an article that said I'm having a boyfriend is embarrassing.

[Allison]

Oh, it's a big deal, man.

[Easton]

Yeah. And, you know, we're talking about, like, what do you. What do you need a man for, especially. And as a man, I will lead the march of that. You know, other than, like, reaching things on a high shelf. But. But yeah, at this point when the episode's happening, I mean, like, it's. It's so funny because I. I think that was. That may have been. The last episode we talked about together was the one where Miranda's interior designer gets married. And we were. I was thinking about that too, because I was another. That also surprised me is right, like, thinking about Miranda wanting to get married.

[Allison]

Bizarre.

[Easton]

Everybody. Everybody wanted it at that point, or.

[Allison]

I think felt like you were supposed to do it.

[Easton]

Felt pressured to do it.

[Allison]

Right. Felt pressured. And, I mean, I think some of that is still there, but I also think that the generations all have their own vibe about it, you know, so now we have, like, this very big generational gap, Right. Between, like, Z X. What are the. What are they called? Who did I leave out?

[Easton]

Millennials.

[Allison]

Millennials. That's who I left out. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You know, there's. There's very distinct things now going on, which I also don't feel like used to be true. Right. Like, you were supposed to want what the people ahead of you had.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

You know what I mean? Now, that's not. That's like a free for all.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

Which I think is as it should be, you know?

[Easton]

Exactly.

[Allison]

But I also think some of that is. Is because of economic issues and, like, many different things are impacting that.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

But I also think that it's nice that there's more choice. It's nice that you can pick your own lane and be there. But, like, you know, when Mary Beth came on and she said that her friends were criticizing her for wanting a boyfriend, that made me laugh so hard. They were like, you're crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

But she's.

[Allison]

Of the group of boyfriends are embarrassing.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

Which I also really like. For me, I find the whole movement of this to be really empowering and great. And I think part of that is because of the social media element, because there was a time when, you know, Instagram official was like, this whole thing, like, if you weren't posting, you know, like, you and the cute, you know, significant other or whatever. I don't know. I think that whole thing is just like, what? Like, awful? Because I also feel like it's added pressure. And also, everyone makes it look amazing. And obviously relationships are complicated, but you can't really put complicated on Instagram.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

You know, so then it just looks super shiny and beautiful and you're in some beautiful location and everything's beautiful and, you know, it looks just so wonderful. And then, like, you know, they're, they're. They'll show flowers, like, oh, he gave me flowers. And you're just like, oh, God. But anyway, so that's what I love about Shantae Joseph's article, Our boyfriend's embarrassing question mark. And I think maybe, is there a now in there are boyfriends now embarrassing?

[Easton]

Is having a boy? Is having a boyfriend embarrassing now? Which feels like something we would have done a super tight zoom in on Carrie's computer and watched her type 100%.

[Allison]

Is having a boyfriend now embarrassing question mark? That is such a Carrie Bradshaw question. I love it so much. But I have seen Shanae on my Instagram and. And she has gotten a lot of angry, angry texts as well. So there's the people who love it, like myself, who find the whole message very empowering and, like, a valid question. Because some of these boyfriends are frankly embarrassing. You know what I'm saying?

[Easton]

I would argue the majority of them. I would. Based on what I witnessed out there.

[Allison]

I mean, yeah, I, I'm not really, you know, so much in the mix or whatever, but, like, from what I see, sometimes I'm like, I. You do feel like it's a waste of the woman's time.

[Easton]

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[Easton]

It benefits the man so much more in every possible way. The only. I don't get too much on this, but, like, I've talked to my wife about this before and, like, we have had an honest conversation. And I firmly believe that the only thing, the only advantage that I serve her is that it is easier to do certain things if it comes from a man, because that's how society is, unfortunately.

[Allison]

So up.

[Easton]

It's so, so up.

[Allison]

I was still so crazy.

[Easton]

We were planning our wedding. We're playing our wedding. We were trying to get this dumb red curtain and our wedding planner and my wife were emailing the guy who ran the venue. No. No response at all. All I copy and pasted and sent the exact same email. Got back to me right away. And that was the first time I had ever really seen that. Seen it, like, happened. And. And I was like, this happens every day all around me. And it's so sad.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true.

[Easton]

And that is the. You know, I truly think that's the only. But. But, you know, that's the only thing that I really bring to this, is that, like, we have. We have a great relationship. We get along really well. We love each other's company and stuff like that. But. But, like, I. I will be the first to say we. We own our home because my wife put it, like, found it and put in all the work to get it. She pushed me to, like, get a better job. There's like, wow.

[Allison]

And I love it.

[Easton]

I think that's a common story for a lot of these men get dragged kicking and screaming into adulthood by these strong, powerful women that are gracing us with their presence.

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[Allison]

I think that's true. I mean. I mean, I feel. And I feel bad a little bit saying it, because, I mean, I like men, you know, and I like my friends. Husbands and all that. Do you know what I'm saying? And I will say, I want to say this. I think it's important to say. I think that I have a really good girlfriend. We've been friends since we were 20s. In our 20s, like, a long time. And I was there when she went on her first date with her husband. Husband.

[Kristin Davis]

Who's adorable and very cute.

[Allison]

I tell their daughters the story now, and they laugh really hard. And he luckily proposed. He'd been living with her in her house.

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[Allison]

And they had a bit of a. Kind of one of those almost breakups before the proposal, which happens. I don't know if you've witnessed this with your friends or yourself or whatever. Like, there's like, a crux. Like a crisis kind of thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Easton]

I have seen this happen.

[Allison]

Yeah. When people are debating maybe taking the next step.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

And he was acting really wacky. And she came to me and she said, I just. I don't want to say their names because I feel bad telling the story, but I'm not gonna say who it is. She came to me and she's like, I don't know what's going on with him. He's just acting so strange. And, you know, he said maybe he should, you know, like, you know, See other people. I was like, what? This is in our 20s, right? And I said, you know, I mean, our. I think, late 20s. I said, is he insane? Tell him to get out. Like, he can get out if that is what he wants. He needs to get his things and move out of your house, because right now he is living the life, and he needs to either, like, commit to the life or get the fuck out. Right? So she told him that I said this, and I mean, it was very rare for me at the time, like. Cause. And I did really love him, and I did think they were a great couple, but I was mad. Right. On her behalf. And so she told him this, and he was mad at me for a little while, but he did propose. Thank God in heaven. Now, what I want to say about them is that they have the most amazing relationship. And, I mean, I've known them forever now. Right. And she has gone through cancer.

[Easton]

Wow.

[Allison]

And she's fine now. Knock the wood. But he literally got her through it. Like, it makes me want to cry. So, you know, I don't think you should ever feel like you're not contributing.

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[Allison]

Because you're in it together, you know, you're in life together. And that's the beautiful thing. That's the beautiful thing, Right? So, yes, we live in a sexist, patriarchal world that is messed up. And it's amazing that you see that. Right? But I think, like, what each person brings to the relationship is so much more than that. So, so much more than that. You know what I mean? When it's a good relationship and people are committed to working on it.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

Which I think is also key. You know, Lena and I talked about that, too. I mean, like, not everybody would. Would say, like, are you working on your spirituality? Are you working on your commitment? Are you working? Are you in therapy? Is there some way that you're getting better? You know? And when you're together in a relationship and doing that, that's amazing.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

Yes. And worth it.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

You know what I'm saying? Worth it, though. What we're talking about is, like. I think the way that they're talking about that it doesn't benefit the women is economically. Right. Because economically, especially when you become a mother, your economics get totally wrecked. You know what I. Your job, you know, ascendance or whatever you want to call it, like, everything. Hannah is doing it all. But, I mean, it's not easy. You know what I'm saying? It's not easy. Right. For the women. Because that's how the system Is set up.

[Easton]

Exactly.

[Allison]

Which is messed up. And, you know, hopefully. I mean, that's why I find articles like Sinead's article so, so wonderful. Because, like, it's kind of like peeling back the layers, right? And saying, like, let's say even in your 20s and 30s, you know? Cause wasn't Mary Beth talking about. I don't know if she talked about it when she was here, but, like, there's a whole thing about men who wanted to buy leather jackets but needing help from the girlfriend because they couldn't decide. And, like, some. Some girlfriend of hers had gone and, like, there was, like, 17 leather jackets that she had to look at. Do you know what I mean? Like, just stupid, stupid shit. Do you know what I mean? I don't know how else to put it, but you are kind of exhausted by that at a certain point. And, like, for me, and this is probably really bad that I'm gonna say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I got to a place in life where I thought, you know what? I'm just gonna raise some children Because I'm tired of putting all the energy in the men, because the men are just gonna go, yep. And then what are you left with? Like, nothing. I'm just gonna raise some actual children. Like, that's where I got to. I don't know. So I just relate to all of it. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to. It's hard to navigate, you know? And so let's talk about Steven Miranda, because this is a perfect feed into that perfect segue, man. I mean, like, I love Steve. As I've said a few times now, I really had no idea how incredible Steve Eigenberg. I mean. Sorry, David Eigenberg. See, now I have them. And this is the same person David Eigenberg was. Because at the time, I was never around them, really. And I kind of felt somewhat of, like, a frustration that I think Miranda felt like I often took on the whatever characters were feeling vibe or whatever as my own personal self. So, like, I was like, oh, God, she's still with him. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know if I really thought that thought, but I. I did think, like, wow, they're really. They. They've got a lot of. Lot of Steve in here. But when I watch him back, he's just so. So incredibly good. Like, even in hard scenes, like, they're in a restaurant, they're eating. I think this is when you first see Them in the, in the show, right?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

They're eating and there's a baby there at the table next to them. And Miranda's like, you know, I thought, yeah, this is what they invited babysitters for. You know, she really makes me laugh, I tell you. And Steve's like, oh, no, he's so cute, you know, and he's like all cooey and whatever. And then he spills soup down his shirt. And she's like, you're a mess. And I'm like, this is just so good because he really is so believable. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's so open and honest and adorable, but then just one second later, he goes too far and he's annoying, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's a kid, you know? Yeah, definitely at the same time that he's saying, we should have a baby. And she's like, oh, you're. You're insane. And then she's like, oh, God, you're not. You're. You actually mean it. And I'm like, oh, Miranda. Oh, Miranda. Things are coming. Things are coming. But I think it's. I just really. I feel for him because I feel like there are times in your life where you're just like, I want to do the next thing. And this is what the next thing is. And then if the person that you're with doesn't want to do that next thing, it's so hard.

[Easton]

Yep.

[Allison]

And then you have to decide, am I going to leave? Because they don't want what I want?

[Easton]

That's a pretty fundamental difference at that point.

[Allison]

It's definitely a fundamental difference. But she's not wrong.

[Easton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Allison]

But then things. Things happen. But you know what? I don't really remember exactly how it goes down either. I'm really curious to see. I remember some of it, but I don'. Remember all of it.

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[Allison]

So we see them at the Soup. At the soup. They're sitting, having, like. Like udon or something.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

And she's like, ah, the baby. And he's like, it's adorable. And then she's all, you know, mad. And. And then she gets that. Wait, wait, wait. Does she. She thinks it's crazy. Of course, they've only been living together two months, which is also really funny because it seems like it's. I don't know. It seems like a while.

[Easton]

It does.

[Allison]

In our Showtime. Yes, Right.

[Easton]

But only two months.

[Allison]

It's not long. It's not long at all. Slow yourself down, man. Yeah, I mean, but he is so, so interesting, because I. I kind of get his point, right? Like, he's just kind of like a go with the flow. Like, let's make it work, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

I don't know.

[Allison]

I get it. So then she's working, and Steve is watching Scooby Doo. And the really funny part is I'm like, he is so annoying. And then she walks up and he's like, no, it's the really good one where the ghost. I'm like, I remember that one.

[Easton]

So now I gotta point this out.

[Allison]

Tell me the.

[Easton]

Steve says, ah, this is the one where they found the ghost in the salt mine. No, it is not Steve.

[Allison]

What?

[Easton]

He is watching. The episode is called the. I wrote this down. The Jeeper. Jeepers. It's the Creeper, which is about a guy. It's a. It takes place in a bank. There's no ghosts.

[Allison]

We messed up. See, this is the kind of thing that the Instagram would be all. All in a fur about if we made this in 2025.

[Easton]

So I brought this up. I'm a big Scooby Doo fan. My wife and I are watching this show.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Allison]

This is so perfect. We is rewatching this with me right now. So at least you and your wife watch it together.

[Easton]

Yes, yes. Watch this together, having a great time. I pause it, and I'm like, I don't think this is the right episode. I look it up. I. My suspicions are confirmed. And Allison says, I think that was intentional. I don't think Steve is trying to say, oh, oh, no, I'm watching. He wasn't going to say, I'm watching a specific episode. He was goofing around, saying, oh, I'm watching along with the ghost. Because that's kind of like a generic Scooby Do.

[Allison]

Oh, it's generic, okay.

[Easton]

There's a ghost in the salt mine. And, like, he's just kind of been like, I'm watching cartoons, you know, much like a baby would, which we will hopefully have in the house soon.

[Allison]

So she gave him the credit that he's kind of intentionally doing this.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

Thinking.

[Easton]

I thought, Allison, they just pulled a random Scooby Doo episode and didn't check.

[Allison]

So did. I mean, I think that might have happened. I love that she giving us more credit than that. I don't know for sure because I never noticed that. Because the only Scooby Doo that I really remember is the ghost.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

Do you know what I mean? But that's really interesting. I mean, it does make you wonder because he does seem. The thing about Steve, you know, there's like a kind of a passive aggressive way that he gets what he wants.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

Which is the annoying part. Like, what is about to happen, which I still just can't even believe. Right. But I mean, obviously I support what he wants because I want dogs always. But, like, the way. The way that he gets this dog. Oh, my God. I didn't remember this. And every time I watch it, I've now watched it twice, and I'm just.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, this is bad, Miranda.

[Allison]

So they have the fight about Scooby Doo, and then Miranda's at work the next day, and she is definitely mean mommy. Oh, no. Wait, is she at work or is she walking with Carrie? Oh, yeah. No, no, she hasn't walked. When she walks with Carrie, it is the cutest thing in the world.

[Easton]

Oh, my God.

[Allison]

Carrie's got that massive flower on. We're in the full on flower era.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

And they are hooked in hooked arms, and they're walking down the street. And those are real people. Like, it's a real person version of the walking down the street. It's so good.

[Easton]

I love. I loved. I watched that scene twice.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

I love it.

[Allison]

It's really good. And the two of them walking and talking at any time is great. Yeah. No, she tells Carrie that they're not in a good place, but she seems kind of okay about it in this scene, right? Like, she's like, you know, and he's so crazy that he thinks a baby's gonna fix it. And she says. Carrie says, like, well, where are you two? You know, like, Carrie's just being funny, like, making weird jokes and stuff. Like, and then Miranda says, you know, I am getting older and I only have, like, thousand eggs left. And Carrie's like, yes, and we just killed 300 of them with the drinks we just had or whatever. It's all very interesting. I'm like, okay. Guys, we're joking about this. This is super fascinating. But I guess we're gonna just joke about this for like a couple more seasons, I think. Yeah, like, it's interesting. I was kind of unaware in a way, you know, it's interesting. It's interesting. But I mean, I know there's storyline that I remember coming up with Miranda. Cause of her one ovary and me and blah, blah, blah. There's gonna be a lot more coming. But I find how they lay the seeds, you know, like, they're very smart about it. I like it. So they walk and talk. It's adorable. Sarah Jessica has a massive fluorescent fuchsia flower. It's really cute. Then Miranda's at work. She's literally in the meeting of like middle of, like writing a brief. Steve calls her and is like, meet me at 78th or 58th and 7th or whatever. I mean, honestly, like, who calls someone at a job and says that? Like, that's so crazy. But whatever, she does it. I'm like, miranda deserves credit. Well, where are they? They're at a pet store. And he's like, can we please have a puppy? It's like so crazy. And she's like, who's gonna take care of it? I mean, it is literally a parent to child conversation. But it's still a cute puppy. And he goes, it's like a starter, you know, to see if we can do it. And he's like, it'll make everything better. And I mean, she's like, you know, she knows in her gut that this is not a good idea, but she does it. And, you know, what do we see next? It's the middle of the night and that puppy's crying and Miranda says, no, what do. She is obviously not a dog person. Steve like, it. It's also that kind of thing where you're like, obviously we're watching and they're in it. But like, can't he see that she's not this.

[Easton]

Right.

[Allison]

It's interesting.

[Easton]

Yeah, it's. I understand his thinking of, like, let's. Let's ease ourselves into the baby pool with the dog.

[Allison]

But like, but she's showing zero interest. Like, not even like a tiny. She's not, like, maybe later, you know, she's like, no. So he's like a dog, a puppy. And you know, but then that makes her. In the middle of the night. Oh, what I really love. So she bends over and she tries to give the puppy this like old fashioned alarm clock. She's obviously still clueless about dogs, right? And then and then she turns and she takes both hands and shakes him so hard. It really made me laugh. I think it's like you feel her frustration watching it. And he gets up and he's like, what? You know?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

Since we know David's not coming on, I can do my bad invitations. So then she basically just gets up and breaks up with him in the middle of the night. And I felt really bad for him, but I felt really bad for him because she is obviously really sad about it. And this, again, is when I think, like, she's so good. She's so good. Because she's still so torn.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

You know, it's. It's just so well done.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

Because, like, there's nothing on paper of this situation that works.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But she's trying. And then he goes, no, you didn't try. And she's like, I tried for a long time. And then he's, like, all hurt. Like, literally everything she says hurts him.

[Kristin Davis]

But I get it.

[Allison]

She has been trying for a long time.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

She really has. And I feel for her.

[Easton]

Is this the, like, third time they've broken up?

[Allison]

I think it's the second time they've broken up.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

I mean, the last time he comes to the party in the rain or whatever, he's at the dinner where he's, like, bringing everyone drinks. Do you remember that?

[Easton]

Yes. Yes.

[Allison]

It's awkward. And then he goes out. But then she realizes, because Big came, that maybe she's being too harsh.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

So she goes back out in the.

[Kristin Davis]

Rain and they kiss.

[Allison]

It was really good. It was really good. I mean, it's. It's an interesting thing. But I do wonder too, like, if you think about real relationships, you know, how often is it that everyone on the outside is thinking, this is really obviously not going to work, but then it might work.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

You don't really know. Yeah, right.

[Easton]

It's a. It's a chemical reaction that you don't. You can't predict, you know, I mean.

[Allison]

Is it a chemical reaction, though? That's my question.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

I mean, it can be a chemical reaction, but is a chemical reaction enough? Yeah, that's the question. We haven't really talked about Charlotte, which is funny, or Samantha. Oh, Samantha's storyline really depresses me. That's why I forgot about it. Oh, my God. This is also. I did not remember that we got into menopause at this point in the show. But, I mean, we're ahead of our time, people. Ahead of our time, man.

[Easton]

I had the same reaction. And when I was watching this, I'm like, oh, this is because I remember this episode. I've seen it a handful of times. And I was like, oh, God, this happens this early.

[Kristin Davis]

Me, too.

[Allison]

I didn't think it happened this early at all. But it does make sense because she's moved, right? So she's got different neighbors. And so this neighbor who's like this, you know, ponytail dude. And I mean, they just wrote it, like, so extreme, you know, he's played.

[Easton]

By Robert lupone, who is Patti lupone's brother.

[Allison]

I am aware. Yes, yes. And he gives it his all, man.

[Easton]

He really does.

[Allison]

He digs in. He digs in with this guy. Ooh, wee. And she just seems so miserable, and I felt really bad for her. So basically, we have that very long scene in the bathroom. And I do remember filming that. And it's not the only scene we've had that was like a. A set that we would, I think, try to change up a little bit. I feel like last season we also filmed in that weird counter, you know, because there's, like, a fake mirror, but it's obviously the cameras.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

And it's really hard to block. Right? Because, like. Yeah, they're all standing there, and you have to, like, do the right thing at the right time. And we would just be in there for hours and hours and hours. And I remember that one because, like, we have to pass the tampon, and then I have to go back in the salt, and then I have to come back out, and then Samantha has to tell us all that she's older. And then there's, like, this awkward silence.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

It's, like, so strange. Like, I don't know if that was what was on the page. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, is it. Is it supposed to be funny or is it supposed to be awkward? I guess it's just supposed to be awkward. I don't know. I was, like, kind of dying watching it.

[Easton]

Same.

[Allison]

And I mean, it's odd because, like, we must know. And why is it a big deal?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But I also feel like the rest of us are in our 30s. Like, the funny thing is how we talk about aging, but we're so young.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

You know, and now I do think that would be different.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think women in their 30s are like, I only have a thousand eggs left. I mean, are they?

[Kristin Davis]

Maybe they are.

[Allison]

I don't know. You guys write on the Instagram. Tell me if that's true, because I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I felt like it was premature. You know what I mean? But I do. I feel, as a. As a female who was in her 30s at the time, that this is when they started with the articles about freezing your eggs and stuff. Like this is when they started with the articles about the ticking time clock.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

Like, you kind of. Like, if you were out in the world and you looked around, you just see, like, magazines, like your clock is ticking. Like, it was weird. It was like it just. They decided to just start talking about it all the time. Do you mean. Yes, but they were not talking about menopause all the time. So I think it's really awesome that we do talk about it at all. And so poor Samantha goes through this whole really sad, sad time where she's like, I'm day old bread.

[Easton]

I'm dried up.

[Allison]

Yeah, it's so sad. It's so sad. And so she has sex with her neighbor, even though she really doesn't want to. And she looks so miserable with him. And they're at dinner and she's just so obviously miserable. It's kind of funny that she's so obviously miserable because it's not how we normally see Samantha.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

But he is oblivious. And then they go home and have sex, but she's not even participating in. Even remotely. But she's only doing it because she thinks she's over the hill. And then she gets her period and she's so ecstatic that she runs off because she realizes she's not, quote old or whatever. It's all so crazy. But on the other hand, it's amazing that we were talking about it back then in the year of 2000. Right. Because now 20, 25, we're trying to pull that. Pull that lid off, man. We got to talk about women's health. We got to talk about what menopause means and when it starts and what to do and all the different things, which I think is great.

[Easton]

Yes, absolutely.

[Allison]

Yes.

[Easton]

Another. Another moment where Sex and the City trailblazing.

[Allison]

We were. We were. I mean, we do it in a slightly, like, questionable way almost, you know, because we're. We're trying to be funny, which I think is great, that we're trying to be funny. And obviously in the second film, she's got a whole storyline about her hormones. And I remember the time I hadn't. I hadn't been through it yet. And I didn't totally understand, you know, I didn't. I did not understand But I hadn't been there, and now I have, and it's so real. I mean, you do not want to lose your hormones. Like, you gotta pack those hormones in a special place if you're traveling. And you need to guard them. Like, you can't just put them in your suitcase. Because what if you lose your suitcase? You gotta keep them with you. Which I think is what she's doing in the second film. Like, it is all very real. And if you lose those hormones, I mean, it goes south quick, man. I mean, quick. You don't sleep, you're sweat covered. It's bad. I'm sorry if I'm scaring all you younger ladies. And Easton, this is.

[Easton]

This is real. Real is real.

[Allison]

It is real. It seems like it's a caricature, but it's really not. I mean, it is different for everyone, right? But like. Like, when it finally hit me, I was like, what the fuck? Like what? Like what? Cause you're kind of like, what is going on with me? Like, it's odd. Why am I hot? Because I'm never hot. Right? Never hot. And you think, like, I had this happen when I just this past season. No. Yes. When we were filming and I had this big scene to do with Sarah Jessica where I had to go to work at like 4 in the morning or 5 in the morning, but I woke up at 1 and I was in an Airbnb and I thought that the air conditioning had broke because it was really hot. And then I thought, oh, my God, did I forget to change my hormone patch? Am I having night sweat? I had Covid.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Wow.

[Easton]

Right?

[Allison]

But the list of thoughts went number one, the air conditioning broke, so it was the summer. Number two, I forgot to put on my hormone patch. Number three. Oh, my God, I have a fever.

[Kristin Davis]

I have Covid.

[Allison]

Which is number three. Turned out to be true. But, I mean, it is a really interesting thing once you've been through it. You're like, wow, it's not played up for film and tv. Like, it is actually like someone has.

[Kristin Davis]

Just thrown a bucket of water at you.

[Allison]

Like, all of a sudden. Like, it's so bizarre. Anyway, I digress. But it is really interesting to look back at what we were writing back then, even though we're trying to make it funny. And I mean, I think in a way it's good that we're trying to make it funny.

[Easton]

That's what I was thinking is it's. It's. It's going to reach a lot more people.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Yeah.

[Easton]

That way.

[Allison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and maybe they don't necessarily understand it, but later they might go, oh yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Allison]

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[Allison]

Now let's talk about sweet Charlotte. Sweet Charlotte.

[Easton]

Sweet Charlotte.

[Allison]

Just toying with that tray. Oh, my goodness me. But I thought it was adorable. And, and I, I didn't mind it. I mean, I don't like the playing of the games. I think think we've already discussed this or whatever. In general, I don't like the playing of the games. But I think also when I look at how it's going with Trey and Charlotte, it's all good.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Allison]

It's already mean, like, you know what I'm saying? It's still really fun. Everyone's having fun. Not a big deal. I do think it's also adorable I had not remembered that I closed the door. Says he loves me in the most dry, dry way. But it's so adorable. Like, it's so. It was such a great choice, you know, on his part, I think how he, how he delivers that and it is really cute. I didn't remember then that I invite him in and go to whatever base that would be. I don't know, like Charlotte. God, she's wackadoodle.

[Easton]

She is. She is. I think, is it Charlotte or curious is kissing with extras. That's the.

[Allison]

I think I say kiss. Do I say kissing with extras? And she's like, how ninth grade of you.

[Easton]

Yeah, I love that. I thought that was so funny.

[Allison]

But she's so totally 100. Right? But again, when I look at, like, if you were just to tell me this storyline, I'd be like, ew. But when you look at us, like, it's all good. It's so good. I mean, he's so fantastic, and it's so perfect. And I don't think there's anything wrong with getting to know somebody before you jump in bed with them.

[Easton]

Yes. I think that's. I mean, that's. When I was a dating man, I used to wait a very long time.

[Allison]

But how long is a very long time?

[Easton]

There's a couple times where they, the, the woman would ask me, like, are you, Are you into women?

[Allison]

She would be worried.

[Easton]

She was worried. Yeah. Like, I would wait, like, like five dates.

[Allison]

That's impressive.

[Easton]

Before making a move like that.

[Allison]

I like it.

[Easton]

I would do like a kiss.

[Allison]

I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it because. I like it because. I mean, I guess it would depend on the situation, but I like it because, to me, from a guy that's confident.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Right.

[Allison]

Because, like, most guys are worried that you're gonna put them in the friend zone, like, if they don't move quickly, that you're going to decide, oh, they're just a friend.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, that moment will pass and it.

[Allison]

Will never come back or whatever the heck. Right?

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But I don't think that that makes sense.

[Easton]

Really. No. And I think if that's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. You know, I always wanted a. An emotional connection before I did that.

[Allison]

I think that's fantastic.

[Easton]

Makes it a lot better.

[Allison]

You know, I think it makes it so much better.

[Kristin Davis]

But why don't all people feel that it's interesting?

[Easton]

Yeah. I, I.

[Allison]

Because now with the whole hookup culture, man, I mean, I, I don't think anybody waits five dates.

[Easton]

No. No.

[Allison]

That would be crazy.

[Easton]

Yeah. I don't think they wait. I think it's the first night.

[Allison]

I know. I mean, apparently this is what I hear. But I mean, I, I also think, like, that's crazy also.

[Sponsor Voice 4]

Right.

[Allison]

And then I just feel like my thing, too is, like, why can't you just go case by case?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

Like, maybe someone is a hookup. And that's fine. That's great.

[Kristin Davis]

Enjoy it.

[Allison]

Know what it is? This is what it is. I'm not expecting anything.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Right, Exactly.

[Allison]

But then maybe somebody else might not be. Or maybe you don't know and you need to find out. Right?

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

It's all very confusing. So I think with this Charlotte, Trey. I think the important thing to me when I look at it is that they, they seem in sync. Like, it's not like he's mad or confused or anything like that. Like, he seems equally into It.

[Easton]

Yes. Which is why it's working. They're.

[Allison]

They're exactly.

[Easton]

They're both. Yeah, exactly.

[Allison]

Exactly. Which is so adorable. Can we cover everything?

[Kristin Davis]

Eason, you're so good with the paperwork.

[Easton]

I. I think so. I. I just. One thing I want to point out from Charlotte's moment, I just love the line where she's. They're talking about the tampons, and she's like, well, I have them at home, but they won't fit in my Kate Spade. I just love that line of.

[Allison]

I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, it was quite a Kate Spade moment. It was quite a Kate Spade moment. And, you know, I love Kate Spade and.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a little sad to talk about Kate Spade.

[Easton]

Yeah.

[Allison]

But I love Kate Spade and I love that later, many years later, was working in England, and they were trying to get wardrobe for me, and they.

[Kristin Davis]

Said, we're trying to get some Kate.

[Allison]

Spade, but we can't get any. And I was like.

[Kristin Davis]

You can't get any Kate Spade?

[Allison]

Like, can I call them? I think I can get you to some gay Spade. But to them, Kate Spade was just like, yeah, like, like, like an unattainable dream journey. Mean, it was adorable. But I do love Kate Spade, and I do remember there was a really big Kate Spade store on, like, Broom and Spring or Prince, and I used to go there all the time. I used to buy a lot of stationery. She made beautiful stationery. And I still have a bunch of it. And we. We had a lot of wonderful things from Kate Spade for a really long time. And it was so quintessentially Charlotte, I thought, you know, so kind of perfectly Charlotte.

[Easton]

I have spent so much money at Kate Spade in my life. Yes. I. I, up until recently, I had. I always had a Kate's. Be. An iPhone case.

[Allison]

No way.

[Easton]

For me.

[Allison]

Oh, my God.

[Easton]

And I. I love the crazy bags that they make and fun. The fun ones. Like, like, my wife has a. One that looks like a mouse. One looks like a crab. I bought her one that looks like a radio because I work in radio and it's. I. We love Kate Spade. We always.

[Allison]

I have, like, a loose sight, like a. Like a Lucite box one.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

You know what I mean?

[Allison]

It's interesting. It's interesting. I like it. I still have it. Yeah, I like it a lot. I think it was Charlotte. I don't know if it was Charlotte's. I don't know. I like it, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I like it.

[Allison]

It's fun. It's like a fun, I like the fun, whimsical nature.

[Easton]

I, I love that stuff.

[Allison]

I agree with you. I agree with you. I think this episode overall was really good. But I also think that one of the things that I am aware of when I watch this episode, like I kind of mentioned is just the skillfulness of the writing in terms of planting all these different things.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

That are going to be growing and growing. And I think this is why I love third season so much.

[Easton]

Yep.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Allison]

Like they weave everything in and so well done. Really gonna pay off.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

You know, but it's also really fun along the way. Like each episode is great and it's hard to turn it off when you need to turn it off.

[Easton]

It's very, you know, or at the beginning we were talking about like you would watch sitcoms from the past and it was like everything would be tied up.

[Allison]

Right.

[Easton]

You could watch any episode.

[Allison]

They used to tell you that you had to do that.

[Easton]

Yeah. Yes.

[Allison]

They had to be self sufficient, like the one episode so that if someone just one just had never seen it and was coming to that episode, that they didn't need any backstory or forward story. It would just be self contained.

[Easton]

Yes. And it makes sense because, you know, where are they going to. You're not going to pick it up on dvd. You know, you can't do that back then. So it makes sense. But something I think is so masterful about this, this show and this season specifically is like you get, you get, I think, the best of both worlds because you get these, these seeds for these long arcs. You get to follow along on these stories. But I think if you just watch this episode on its own, it has these really succinct ideas that you can enjoy.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Easton]

And I, I, that's a good point.

[Allison]

I mean, that's what's cool about the way that they wove together her writing.

[Easton]

Yes.

[Allison]

And the themes of the episode with the relationships that are happening in the episode and why we can, 25 years later, talk about the theme and have it still be interesting.

[Easton]

Absolutely.

[Allison]

It's crazy. It's crazy to think about it still boggles my mind, you know, I mean, I never would have dreamt in a million hundred years that we would be here discussing the themes and the characters and the relationships. It's cuckoo. But I love it. It's such a gift. It's such a gift.

[Easton]

It really is.

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[Allison]

Thanks, Easton.

[Easton]

Thank you. You're so fun.

[Allison]

It's easy. It's easy and good. We'll just have to have Allison on one day.

[Easton]

She's ready. She's jogging in place.

[Allison]

That would be fun. That would be fun.

[Easton]

She loved it.

[Allison]

Have you together.

[Easton]

Oh my goodness, I'm down.

[Allison]

That could be enjoyable. That could be enjoyable.

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[Allison]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but. There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

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[Allison]

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