You, Your Ex, and His Wife with Karamo Brown... (S3 E3 "Attack of the Five‑Foot‑Ten Woman")

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: "You, Your Ex, and His Wife with Karamo Brown... (S3 E3 'Attack of the Five-Foot-Ten Woman')"
Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Karamo Brown
Release Date: November 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Are You A Charlotte? welcomes TV personality and talk show host Karamo Brown to break down "Attack of the Five-Foot-Ten Woman," Season 3, Episode 3 of Sex and the City. Together, Kristin and Karamo explore the episode’s enduring relevance, discuss shifting gender roles, body image, parental challenges in the social media era, and the show's cultural legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Karamo’s New Talk Show & Giving Real Advice

• Karamo discusses manifesting his dream of hosting a talk show, focusing on authentic connection rather than generic self-help content.
  • "I've always wanted a talk show since I was, like, 9 years old. This is, like, my childhood dream... I am so nosy. I want to know everyone's business." (Karamo, 03:33)
  • He emphasizes providing actionable advice rather than hollow encouragement.
    • "I hate when people say, get better self esteem. Like, girl, if I could do that, I already had it." (Karamo, 05:42)
• Social media’s double-edged sword for advice and connection is debated, with Kristin expressing relief her own kids aren’t yet exposed to it but recognizing its role in finding “your people.”
  • "Sometimes the advice, I'm like, I don't know if we should listen to that advice." (Kristin, 04:59)

2. Parenthood, Privacy, and Thoughtfulness

• Kristin and Karamo reflect on protecting children from public scrutiny, especially in the age of oversharing and intrusive opinions.
  • Karamo stresses empathy and seeing things from a child’s point of view, both for celebrities and everyday families.
    • "The more thoughtful you can be in putting yourself in kids’ shoes is the greatest gift that you can ever give." (Karamo, 07:50)
  • Old-school parental attitudes ("I'm the parent, what I say goes") versus new, conscious approaches are contrasted.

3. Sex and the City, Gender Roles, and Identity

• Kristin asks Karamo about his personal journey with gender roles and how Sex and the City impacted him as a gay man.
  • "Gender roles for me when I was a kid made me feel unsafe... As I become an adult... I don't subscribe to gender roles, you know, in that way anymore." (Karamo, 10:33-12:16)
  • He notes many straight men are “in a prison” of restrictive expectations, and generational and geographic divides persist (coastal openness vs. traditionalism in places like Texas).
    • "I think most straight men, being a straight man is a prison." (Karamo, 11:37)

4. The Algorithm Divide

• They discuss how social media algorithms reinforce narrow perspectives, especially for young men, and Karamo shares his strategy of resetting algorithms to rediscover true interests.
  • "I reset the algorithm. You don't know you can do that... All the things that they're being fed on a daily... It goes away." (Karamo, 15:04)
  • Kristin admits her feed is mostly animals, but even adults get reshaped by algorithms.
    • "Mine is mostly full of cat and dog videos and elephants, which is great." (Kristin, 16:32)

5. Rewatching "Attack of the Five-Foot-Ten Woman"

• Kristin, rewatching the episode for the first time since filming, marvels at the writing and its timelessness.
• Karamo is a self-professed superfan who remembers the episode in detail and never tires of it.
  • "When they asked me to rewatch this episode, I said, I don’t need to rewatch it. Are you kidding me?" (Karamo, 17:47)

6. Episode Themes: Women’s Agency, Body Image, and Comparison

• Miranda’s storyline with Magda, the housekeeper, is discussed for its poignant depiction of standing up for personal boundaries and sexual autonomy.
  • "If you have something that is important to you, whether it's a sex toy or just your freedom to be who you are, you..." (Karamo, 25:33)
• Charlotte’s insecurities at the spa reflect ingrained body image issues, which both Kristin and Karamo note are still pervasive.
  • Kristin opens up about her own lifelong struggles:
    • "I didn't want to be wrapped up in a towel. I feel really bad about my thighs. I still feel really bad about my thighs." (Kristin, 27:05)
  • Karamo critiques the regression on body positivity:
    • "There's this pushback on body positivity... It's like there's no more of accepting all body types." (Karamo, 27:44)
  • The importance of friends and men speaking up against body- and appearance-based jokes is highlighted.

7. Comparisons and Self-Worth

• Discussion of the pivotal dressing-room scene:
  • Carrie’s comparison to Natasha (“the five-foot-ten woman”) triggers feelings of inadequacy—something Karamo relates to societal tendencies to compare and diminish ourselves.
    • "Comparison is a thief of joy. And I tell people that all the time... you steal your own joy." (Karamo, 36:12)
  • Kristin links this to the necessity of “messiness” for the show’s emotional authenticity.

8. Samantha’s Story: Flipping the Script

• Kristin and Karamo laugh over Samantha’s massage-parlor escapade, noting how subversive it was to show female pleasure and happy endings (literally) on TV.
  • "I literally have never, ever in my life heard of women getting happy endings at a massage place. Have you?" (Kristin, 40:49)
  • "No, I haven't. I think more should, though." (Karamo, 40:59)

9. Sex and the City’s Cultural Legacy & Behind-the-Scenes Trivia

• Kristin expresses gratitude for being part of something groundbreaking and enduring. Karamo notes he still sees the show’s issues reflected in women’s lives today.
• They share behind-the-scenes anecdotes:
  • The realities of filming nude spa scenes before intimacy coordinators (Kristin, 46:28).
  • Carrie’s solidarity scene with Charlotte after news of Big’s wedding—Charlotte as the loyal, protective friend.
  • Connection to later episodes (e.g., Carrie's “shoe debt” foreshadowing).

10. The "Charlotte" Question

• Kristin asks Karamo: “Are you a Charlotte?”
  • Karamo says he polled his staff, and the consensus is he is a Charlotte:
    • "They all said no. You're the romantic. You're the kind one. You're always, like, telling people to. Giving them advice and telling them to slow down and be good." (Karamo, 51:52)
  • He jokes he thought he might be Miranda in his head.
  • Kristin agrees we often identify with one character but friends may see us differently.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On advice and authenticity:
  • "If I'm going to give you advice, I'm going to give you a step that needs to come with it." (Karamo, 05:42)
• On straight male identity:
  • "I think most straight men... it's a prison." (Karamo, 11:37)
• On body image:
  • "In my youth I would have been like, I'm not thin enough to go back to work. Now I just don't say that. I've retrained my language." (Kristin, 28:43)
• On the show's continued relevance:
  • "Your show... stood the test of time where you see these women... Even though the generation that it was displaying is different, I still... see the women going through the same exact thing." (Karamo, 22:31)
• On comparison:
  • "Comparison is a thief of joy." (Karamo, 36:12)
• On the value of “messiness”:
  • "We needed her to be a mess." (Karamo, 36:17)
• On being a "Charlotte":
  • "I'm the Charlotte. They all said it... You're always, like, telling people to... slow down and be good." (Karamo, 51:52)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:33 – Karamo on his lifelong talk show dream
• 05:42 – Advice needs actionable steps
• 07:50 – Parenting thoughtfully in the public eye
• 10:33 – Gender roles, childhood, and adult identity
• 11:37 – “Being a straight man is a prison”
• 15:04 – Resetting the algorithm
• 17:47 – Karamo’s superfan status
• 25:33 – The importance of standing up for yourself (Miranda & Magda)
• 27:05 – Kristin’s ongoing body image struggles
• 36:12 – “Comparison is a thief of joy”
• 40:49 – Samantha’s happy ending and female sexual agency
• 46:28 – Behind-the-scenes of filming nude spa scenes (before intimacy coordinators)
• 51:02 – “Are you a Charlotte?”
• 51:52 – Karamo’s staff consensus

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Tone & Style

The conversation bursts with warmth, candor, humor, and nostalgia—Kristin and Karamo both mix personal stories, cultural commentary, and laughter, creating a welcoming, honest tone.

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Takeaways

• Sex and the City remains deeply relevant for its honest depiction of women’s lives, relationships, and self-discovery.
• Conversations about gender expectations, self-worth, and body image are as vital—and contested—as ever.
• The advice to “reset your algorithm” (socially and mentally) and seek authenticity is more important than ever in today’s world.
• Even the “strongest” or most iconic among us are plagued by insecurity and comparison—it’s part of the human journey.
• The value of friendship, support, and claiming one’s narrative endures across generations.

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For those who haven’t listened, this episode is a thoughtful, funny, and very human celebration of what makes both the show and its fandom so enduring—and why its stories still hit close to home today.

Transcript

[Karamo Brown]

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to. Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Are youe with Charlotte? We are here today with Karamo Brown. It's so exciting. You might know him from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, but also he has his own talk show now. Let's. Let's hear all about it.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, I've always wanted to talk show since I was, like, 9 years old. This is, like, my childhood dream. Yeah, I used to. My mother found my middle school yearbook the other day, and I should bring it in. And. And I wrote in there, hopefully you'll be a guest on my stage one day. No. And so I've been manifesting this forever, and it's only because I'm nosy as hell. I am so nosy. I want to know everyone's business.

[Kristin Davis]

Perfect.

[Karamo Brown]

Like, if you have any gossip, Kristen, please call my phone. I am the one to tell.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay?

[Karamo Brown]

Because also, I can keep a secret. I can keep a secret. Okay.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, that's good. That's good.

[Karamo Brown]

I'm a vault.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay, good.

[Karamo Brown]

And so. So I just wanted a. I wanted a daytime talk show where I could also be nosy but also help people. Because as a little kid, you know, I felt super alone. I felt super like no one understood me. I felt like I didn't understand where to get help from. Like, you know, this. Like, nowadays people have Instagram, they can just swipe their stories that people. A million people are giving advice. But, you know, I'm in my 40s, late 40s, and there was nobody giving me advice on Instagram or didn't know where to go, definitely. And so my goal is just to do and to have it now a show where it's fun, it's entertaining, we're a little messy, but also, people get real advice on how to be better. It makes you feel good. We're in season four in a time where, like, we're a time where shows get canceled quickly.

[Kristin Davis]

No joke. Wow, that's so nice. And so nice, because sometimes as great as Instagram is in terms of being able to connect people, at the same time, I feel like it's a little bit dangerous in terms of advice because you don't necessarily know where that advice is coming from or. You know what I'm saying? Like, it worries me A little. My kids are not on social media so far, and I'm glad about that. But I do feel like you can kind of find your people that way in some ways. Right. But at the same time, sometimes the advice, I'm like, I don't know if we should listen to that advice.

[Karamo Brown]

No, of course. Well, one of the big things for me is like, on my, on my talk show even, like when I'm giving advice on social media, I don't give generic advice.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Karamo Brown]

If I'm going to give you advice, I'm going to give you a step that needs to come with it. I think that's always the thing that misses. Like, here's the actual step. Like, I hate when people say, get better self esteem. Like, girl, if I could do that, I already had it. It's like, I already had it. I would have already had it. I would have already. If you. It's like, get out that relationship, that's bad. If I could have, I would already been out of it.

[Kristin Davis]

This is a good point.

[Karamo Brown]

Clearly, you know, it's. I love the push, but the push has to come with clear instructions. And so that's one thing that about Instagram for me, like, instruct people if you want to do this, but also, like, tell them what you've been through and where you're at. And definitely, I think that's part of what I love about you. You're very transparent, if I can be honest.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, thank you.

[Karamo Brown]

You do share. You do share and you give.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you.

[Karamo Brown]

And. And that's something you're welcome. And I, I do it as well. And I appreciate that. You know what I mean? Yeah, you do. Like, no one's asking you to give your full life, but like, we know people in this business, they sometimes don't. Just you have to give pieces of yourself, and it's when people connect, and that's why we connect with you.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true. Thank you. I mean, it's been a journey. It's been a journey. Adam and I were talking earlier about. Because I've been doing this for a long time and the industry has changed, obviously so much and is in the turmoil currently changing again. And when we first started wanting to act and acting like we didn't know that we were gonna need to share so much of ourselves. Did you know what I'm saying? Like, we were afraid of it in a lot of ways, you know, like, we were in particular.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, yeah. Back then, the industry was your condition that you have to be this and you don't Share your personal life. Unless you wanna be in the tabloids. If you wanna be in tabloids, be scandalous. You share.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right. But now I think it's nice in some ways that the walls have come down. But I also feel like then like for my kids, I'm always a little worried about protecting them because they didn't choose my job, you know, before they were born, obviously. So I, I don't necessarily want them to, you know, be subjected to, to all the stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like how do you deal with that with, with your kids?

[Karamo Brown]

You know, it's the thoughtfulness. And I think that's the key thing for parents. I think the more thoughtful you can be in putting yourself in kids shoes is the greatest gift that you can ever give. And anytime I make a decision, I always put myself in their shoes. And sometimes as parents we think we know best and we forget it's hard when you're younger and people have an opinion of you, but also when they have opinion of your family. And this is not just because we're in the industry. This goes for anybody. When you find out someone's, your neighbor's dad has done this.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Karamo Brown]

As much as you think it's just the adults, the kids come around and they pick on them. And I think that thoughtfulness is something that I wish more parents, you know, had because especially on my daytime talk show, you wouldn't believe how many parents I come across that, that very still to this day, that old school feeling of like, I'm the parent, what I say go, what I say do does wow. You know, whatever I believe is what you believe. You know what I mean? If you don't like it, get out of my house if you don't want it. And these are things that we hear this, you know, like we, we've heard this. I'm sure you've heard one of your friends say one of those things or a variation of those things, like good job. Thank God for your.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, no, my friends, we're all in the other group of like we're trying to do it differently and then maybe we might err too far on the other side. Do what?

[Karamo Brown]

I mean, I got it. Got it. Yes, yes, yes. Were you given too much freedom or something?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, listen, I, I still believe, I still believe that the first step is not forgetting that these kids are still little humans that have to live in this world.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

That have their own thought, free will. And I think respecting that is something that is lost. And so I applaud you for, for doing that. You know, if you're going on the other end, we can talk about that.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't want to talk too much about that because then we'll be on a whole other side. But you know what I want to ask you about and then because I saw when on the bio about your show, like, and because of your own and your own, you know, kind of really interesting way that your life unfolded in terms of your children and your own sexuality and your career. Right. It's all very interesting and unusual, you know, when you look at Sex and the City. Because when I saw the actual episode that we have you breaking down, which is Attack of the five Foot ten Woman, I was like, oh, I don't know if this is the right episode to have Karamo, but here you are and we're happy to have you. But like, it's a kind of very gender normative type of an episode for us. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you think about, like, what's your perspective on Sex and the City and your own, like, feelings on gender roles?

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah, well, Sex and the City for me, because I'm a gay man, obviously my bread and butter, like, you know, you know, that was my bread and butter looking at. And so gender roles for me when I was a kid made me feel unsafe because being a gay man and knowing at a very young age, this is who I am, this is who I hope to love one day, I knew that I had them in ways. And when I would, when people would see me in the kitchen wanting to like, bake or do something that I thought was so fun and just was me being creative all of a sudden. It was like also a way for people to pinpoint that I was different and that I was, you know, this. And it, it was hard because it was like, why? Why can't I enjoy these things? Why can't I do these things without being pinpointed as something else? And as I become an adult, you know, I'm free of that. And I, you know, I don't subscribe to gender roles, you know, in that way anymore. And actually, you know, when I talk to men, if I can be very real with you, I think most straight men, being a straight man is a prison. And I think most straight men are in prison. And it's the truth. I look at my straight buddies and the way that they have to control their thoughts, their movements, their actions, because they are afraid that if one person catches one thing, there's going to be a joke. Or there's going to be a landslide of something that they feel they can't control or they can't handle. And it is so. It's heartbreaking sometimes because I. I get. I get my straight male friends and, sorry to go down this path, but I get my friends who come over my house and they will go after like a couple of times, their guard will get let down.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

And you see the little boy in them. Oh, that wasn't stifled by the world and this gender role. You see them see something that's exciting and they get excited and they're fluffing around and then they'll stop for a moment because they're like, hold on, I wasn't supposed to be doing that.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh.

[Karamo Brown]

And then. And then they realize, like, oh, no, I'm in a safe space, that I could flop around and be excited because I'm a human being. And emotions, whether they're happy, sad, excited, not come. And I just feel so sad for so many men that take these gender roles and have put themselves in a prison of who they think they have to be instead of just being their holistic self and knowing that the women in their lives will love them and appreciate it more. Absolutely will appreciate them more. The more they can be authentic and share and. And being yourself doesn't mean that it takes away from you being able to provide security doesn't mean it takes away from you being able to. To be a protector. Whatever things you think that you need to be. But it also allows you to say, like, when you were five years old and you were running around and dancing in the dirt or dancing and having fun, you still get to be that. You still get to dance. Like, sure. But we, but what we do know is that many straight guys feel like they can't. They get in public and they're like.

[Kristin Davis]

And now I feel really bad for the straight men right now. I think they're a confusion.

[Karamo Brown]

They are in a prison and a confusion. And it breaks my heart.

[Kristin Davis]

I said. And I also see some, some. I feel like there's some generational shifts happening with that, though. Like, I feel like the younger men might not be so much controlled. I'm hoping.

[Karamo Brown]

I live in New York and in LA as well. I go back and forth. I think at our coast we do. But when I go back to Texas. Oh, it is getting. It is getting. It is getting worse. It's getting worse. Yet it's getting worse for them. Where now because of the, the. I call the algorithm divide. Now because of the algorithm divide to Real things. It's a real thing. These young boys feel like they have to choose a side.

[Kristin Davis]

They have to.

[Karamo Brown]

They have to take a strong stand either on this side of the algorithm or that side, which has got them deeper into this prison of, like, I cannot even express ideas or thought to creativity or love, because if I am not connected with this side of the algorithm, then. Then I'm going to be perceived to be on that side.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Karamo Brown]

And. And so, for me, when I look at those places, I think that's part of what we see that is killing our country. It's killing our. You know, so I had this little thing that I did with. I've done this with my mother's friend. My mother's 70, and I do. With her friends, but I also just did it recently. My son. My son is 27. I did it with three of his.

[Kristin Davis]

Son is 27?

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah. He turns out.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, that's impressive. Okay. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[Karamo Brown]

I reset. I reset the algorithm. You don't know you can do that. I literally went to the Instagram and I reset the algorithm.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Karamo Brown]

And what happened is, when you reset someone's algorithm, all the things that they're being fed on a daily inside of their homes, telling them about this, telling that it goes away.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Karamo Brown]

And in a heartbeat, the things that you're being fed have been lost. And then for about a day and a half, the algorithm says, who are you?

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Karamo Brown]

And you have to type in who you are.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that's amazing.

[Karamo Brown]

You have to type in. I want to see this. I want to see. It's the same thing when we all started, before the algorithm got it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

So it's so funny to see my sons who were getting this sort of, like, ideas of what it was to be a man, these things that they were supposed to watch, videos that were a little bit more violent, a little bit more this, a little bit more that. And then I reset it. And then all of a sudden, you saw one of my. He wants to be. He wants to be a cello. And now his feet is full of, like, cello stuff. And I was like, was it full of it before? And he said, no. And I was like, yeah. Because your algorithm took you so far away from who you are that until you resetted it, you forgot that that was a passion of yours. That was a love. It wasn't something that you were seeing because your algorithm was feeding everything else. And I tell them, watch that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

Watch what you're being fed. And it lines with who you want to be. And so that's good. And so I just. It's a. Something that I try to get my young boys, straight men, older people to do. Reset that algorithm if you want to be better in life.

[Kristin Davis]

That's a good point. I like that very, very much. Yeah. Neither of my children is on it. The social media, thank God so far. But even for my own algorithms, like, mine is mostly full of cat and dog videos and elephants, which is great. But sometimes it's like the algorithm just takes over, and then sometimes it'll just be like, weird things on there, and.

[Karamo Brown]

You'Re just like, weird things. Yeah. You're like, where? Yep, yep. Yeah, it's testing. It's testing you. Yeah, it's. It's the simplest thing.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Like so. I mean, it's not horrible stuff, but, you know, it's just random. Right. I'm like, wait, are they just trying to sell me stuff now? I don't know what's happening, but I like the dog and cat videos. That's good. All right, let's talk about the show for a minute. How, like, when did you find the show?

[Karamo Brown]

Sex in the City.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

Oh, my gosh. I found this show when I was still in high school, so. Oh, great.

[Kristin Davis]

That's great.

[Karamo Brown]

Yes. I was very early on. Like I said, I'm a little gay boy. I'm clamoring. Fantastic, powerful, strong woman. Four of them, an ensemble girl. Sign me up. I'm done.

[Kristin Davis]

Excellent. Excellent. That's why we exist. Yes. We want you all to find us. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.

[Karamo Brown]

And even to this day, I still watch all the episodes. Like, when they were. When they asked me to rewatch this episode, I said, I don't need to rewatch it. Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so impressed. It's so.

[Karamo Brown]

I was like, I don't need to rewatch this. Are you kidding me? That's. This. When she said the title, I already knew this one. When you were in there, you didn't want to go and get. You don't want to go into the locker room.

[Kristin Davis]

True.

[Karamo Brown]

That's also the newspaper, right? You saw the newspaper? Big getting married.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Karamo Brown]

I'm like. I'm like, I'm a gay man. Test me. I can go through it. Thanks.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Kristin Davis]

This is the joy of doing this podcast, because I had never rewatched these episodes myself since we made them, right? So back in the day, they would send us a VHS of, like, a rough cut before it aired on hbo, and we would rush home and put it in the vhr. You know, what do you call it? I can't be. Whatever. You know, letters. Um, and we would watch it, but it might not have every scene, or it might have, like, a graphic that's not done or whatever. But, you know, we were so excited to see it. But then I didn't watch it because I was too busy. We were working and I was learning my lines and whatever, right? So rewatching it, sometimes I don't remember stuff at all, you know, and then sometimes I really, really do. Or I might remember what's happening, you know, off camera that day or whatever. But a lot of it, I'm just so incredibly impressed with our writers. Like, our writing is just so great.

[Karamo Brown]

I think that your show is one of the show that has stood the test of time where you see these women. And even though the generation that it was displaying is different, I still, especially for me, being on a daytime talk show, I see the women going through the same exact thing. The same fears, the same ideas, the same thoughts, the same conversations about maybe someone who's more sexual versus someone who's more traditional and the divide in it. And so it was ahead of its time in a beautiful way. So congratulations on being such a lucky.

[Kristin Davis]

We're so lucky. But it's also so fun to hear people who like yourself literally know more about the show than I do. It's so amazing, and it really impresses me so deeply, you know, in terms of just, like, the incredible luck to be part of something like that that lives on for people. Like, for me, I was like, attack of the 5 foot 10 woman. Okay, I know that's probably Natasha, because I know who the 5 foot 10 woman is. Literally all I remembered about this one. But when I start rewatching it, of course, more things come back to me. Like, this is the incredible episode where Lynne Cohen comes on as Miranda's housekeeper, Magda. She's so brilliant and great.

[Karamo Brown]

Her dildos out of the sides.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God. And put a Virgin Mary.

[Karamo Brown]

Virgin Mary.

[Kristin Davis]

Mortifying. I had forgotten about that. And Magdalene Cohen stayed on into the movies. You know, we had her for a very long time. And she very sadly passed away not too long ago. But she was a great actress. A great, great actress. And I just remember that the way that their relationship. Miranda and Magda's relationship developed because it starts out in this very kind of uncomfortable way, and that Miranda's bought herself this apartment. You know, she's doing well in her job. And she gets a housekeeper, and it's a very big deal. And Carrie's like, you're the housekeeper. You know. And then, like, she's arranging tea, and Miranda's like, well, I like coffee. And then, you know, like, one thing leads to another. She's like, where's my hairdryer? Can't find my hair dryer. And then she says, I'm going to reorganize this drawer. And Miranda's like, no. And then she reaches. She opens the bedside table, and there it is. And, you know, she's so mortifying. So mortifying. And then the next time Miranda reaches in that drawer, there's the Virgin Mary. And she has to stand up for herself and go to Magda and say, like, who is this lady in my drawer? Which is, like, such a crazy, funny scene. And Magda's like, that's the Virgin Mary. And then she says, you know, something like, she basically just has to stand up. She says, I already have a mother, and I don't need another one. And I'm a single woman in New York City, and I do have a man that I like. But also, I have sex. And I'm not gonna apologize for it. And it's just so great. It's so great and, like, kind of interesting that it needs to be done and that. I feel like you still kind of have to stand up for yourself, you know, in that way. Yes.

[Karamo Brown]

Yes. When we're on Queer Eye, one of the main things that a lot of the women that we help, that we, you know, that will support in their transformation. A lot of them are feeling as in their lives, they have to. They. They. They don't know how to find that voice to stand up for themselves. And that's a big piece of, like, why we always. Especially they. They come in, they're like, well, I still have dreams, but yet I don't know if I can say that everyone. I have to do for everyone else, but I don't feel like I can stand up and Say I need time for me. And I think what that episode does and why it's still poignant and important today is it tells women, it tells everyone that if you have something that is important to you, that is whether it's a sex toy or just your freedom to be who you are, you.

[Kristin Davis]

It's true. It's true. It's interesting. Cause it was. It's definitely a through line of the show. And it's interesting to see the different ways that it shows up. Right. So like, for Miranda, she's having this kind of very basic situation where this woman has come into her house and she feels judged. And then for Charlotte, because they're going to the. Which I do remember, this was directed by Pam Thomas, who was a great director. It's written by Cindy Shupak, who has relatively newly joined the show. We first had Darren Starr, then we had Michael Patrick King, then we got Jenny Bix. And Cindy is our fourth writer that we've hired full time. So now we've got two women, two men. And it's, you know, we're firing on all cylinders in this season three. This is when things are really, like, clicking together. Right. And you're really seeing kind of the overall themes really, really, like, cement themselves in a way.

[Karamo Brown]

Yes, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

And so Charlotte and I remember this because I remember having a lot of anxiety. That's what I remember about this episode is like, I didn't want to be wrapped up in a towel. I feel really bad about my thighs. I still feel really bad about my thighs. I am old now and I still feel really bad about my thighs. Like, it is so ground into you as a young woman, you know, looking at Vogue, looking at the 6ft tall models, you know, the twiggy figures. Still today. You look at these models, like Paris Fashion Week just happened. They're tiny, tiny, tiny. Things have not changed. Yeah, I mean, they're supposed to have changed, but have they changed?

[Karamo Brown]

I have not. Actually. I think we're regressing a lot of ways. I mean, I don't know if you saw recently, there was. There's this pushback on body positivity. And so it's, it's, it's gone. Like, it's like there's no more. There's no more of accepting all body types. And it's just crazy that something that was just meant to say, hey, we just love yourself. To love yourself the way you are has been returned to this idea that, no, it's wrong, it's wrong.

[Kristin Davis]

We cannot let that stay.

[Karamo Brown]

We can we cannot.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I have a 14 year old daughter and you know, I have to really, really retrain myself in terms of, you know, how I talk about food and you know, because obviously I am still an actress, right? But I talk about like healthy. You know, I try to always focus on healthy, healthy, healthy. And like when we did decide to go back to work and doing just like that, I hired a trainer and it was Covid still. So we were working out in the yard, you know what I mean? Like I. But in my youth I would have been like, I'm not thin enough to go back to work.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Now I just don't say that, you know, I've retrained my language or whatever because I don't want her, like there's enough in the culture, you know, everywhere you look, right. Like, I want her to feel powerful and strong and proud of her body. It's beautiful. They're all beautiful. But it's, it's such an interesting thing that we have to fight so hard.

[Karamo Brown]

For that, you know, it is, it is. And I think a big part of that I have to tell you. And this is where, like me as a male, even as a gay man, I say that it's our responsibility as well to step up. You know, when I, when I see, you know, the conversation that happen, it's, it's, it's us to say, this is not okay, right? It's for us to check other guys. And I'm always constantly telling my sons, but as well, my friends, I'm like, yo, when you hear something like that, yo, say something like, speak up, like, don't let that slide. You cannot let that slide.

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Karamo Brown]

And I think the more that in the moment, in the moment, you can't decide, you can't let one of your boys say something because you think like, oh my gosh, this is fine, like, it's just a joke. No, a joke for you is someone else's self esteem being severely hurt. That for you, that joke, it's a joke that you can laugh off and forget, but for someone else, that is now they're in their living room or in their bathroom every day questioning if they're enough, questioning if they look good enough.

[Kristin Davis]

Lodged in there.

[Karamo Brown]

It's lodged in there.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

And I think it's that responsibility of, you know, all I can do is speak to other men. I mean, I speak to everyone. But like I say, you got to speak up in a moment and say no. Cut.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so good. It's so good. I mean, it's so interesting too, right? Because like, you know, I'm from the generation that I'm from. And sometimes you're, you're just really hoping that things have changed. But you're right. You can't ever like look away or just assume that things are changing because there's, there's, it's an ongoing struggle all different ways.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah, ongoing struggle. Yeah, ongoing struggle.

[Kristin Davis]

Big time. Okay, so the, the really big theme in this particular episode is about as you brought up the newspaper. So I had forgotten this totally. We're at brunch, you know, things seem fine. Charlotte is like sadly looking at the wedding section. And so we see she's, she's looking and she's talking about how like there's some 24 year old who previously had a job, as though of course now she doesn't because she's married her stockbroker or whatever. Also still so true. Right? So interesting. And then of course, she turns the page and she sees that Big and Natasha have gotten married. And I try to very badly hide the newspaper under my elbow. And of course, you know, Samantha's like, what is that? You know, and then her face falls and you know, poor Carrie. And I had totally forgotten the scene where I go back to Carrie's apartment with her and Charlotte doesn't want to let her be alone. I had forgotten that. But it's such a sweet, sweet scene. And it's rare that you see Charlotte comforting Carrie. You know, like, usually it's the other way around. So it was really nice and I think it was so smart of Charlotte. Like, this is an area that she knows about and she knows Carrie's gonna try to act like she's fine.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, the funny part is that's the thing that I always love about Charlotte's character is like, okay, even if you go to the movie, that iconic thing when Big didn't show up, and Charlotte's the one that's like, no, no. She's always been that fierce protector of Carrie in love. And it has been the most beautiful thing. She's always been the one that's like, no, I understand love more than any of these women. And I'm going to protect your heart and encourage your heart, but make sure you're not going to be alone in any of these moments.

[Kristin Davis]

That's a good point.

[Karamo Brown]

I think that's what you saw. That's what you see in that moment. She's like, no, I'm gonna be here for you. Let's read it. Let's read it together. And like, let's get through it so you can have your cry and you're not gonna be alone. And then you're gonna know that love is still available for you.

[Kristin Davis]

Right.

[Karamo Brown]

I think that's what Charlotte does. So really great.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, that's so true and very well put.

[Karamo Brown]

But if you think about it, it's also, like, now Instagram, like, can you imagine, like, today, you and Carrie's character, your character and Carrie's character would have been scrolling Instagram and saw the announcement of the wedding.

[Kristin Davis]

That's true.

[Karamo Brown]

You know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

That's so true.

[Karamo Brown]

This generation would never understand newspapers.

[Kristin Davis]

No, I know. I know. Well, every time we reach for, like, one of those landlines or those old cell phones, it makes me laugh so hard. But also, I have such nostalgia for it because things are changing so quickly now. Like, just so quickly. It's insane. But anyway, so then the other really huge thing I just like to talk about the big things first is I had also completely forgotten that they go to try on clothes, Miranda and Carrie, and they run into Natasha in the next dressing room. Oh, my God. I mean, your worst nightmare, really, literally, Like, I mean, I relate to this so much. Like, you know, you think, like, okay, I've put it over there in that compartment, right? You know, and I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. And then, like, the literal woman walks out, you know, and she's tall and beautiful and so beautiful. You know, she's so completely posed. And Carrie's there in her underwear, trying to cover herself up. And later when she says, like, you know, she's like. She lists off the things, like, she's this. And she's beautiful and she's young and she's tall, and I'm, you know, short and complicated. My hair's curly. And, like, it's just. It's so real to me how Carrie, who we really think of as this very powerful character, this powerful woman, is just so undone by this situation, you know, by it not going the way she thought, trying so hard for so long, you know, to get Big to show his feelings and, you know, to try to. Like, she tried so many things with him. Do you know what I mean? Like, she shows up at the door. I saw the other day on Instagram, or must have been a TikTok, where they have just different cuts of her showing up at Big's door and all the different outfits, like, in her hair, dominatrix outfit and her French maid, you know, the beret. Like, that's later, like, she Just tries so hard, you know, and it doesn't work. And then he marries this woman who is just the opposite of her, which, of course, we know that that's not gonna work either. But she doesn't know that at this point in time. Right.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's just so hard to feel, you know, good about yourself and complete when this kind of thing has happened, even though, you know you should.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, but I know, but it's. It's because our culture always makes us want to compare. Like when you said that scene, it's so vivid of like, what, she's tall, she's beautiful, she's straight hair, I'm curly hair with sex columnist, you know, or something, whatever. And it's. And you know, we. One of my things that I've always said to people, it's a quote that's not mine, but it's. Comparison is a thief of joy. And I tell people that all the time. It's if you steal your own joy. And what we saw in that episode is her steal her own joy and still and forget how beautiful it is. And I always try to think to myself, why do we do that? And what I love about this episode is it shines a light on, like, we can't do that because as we know, that young woman becomes the most accomplished adult woman in the world. She becomes the writer, she becomes powerful, she becomes self assured. But she needed that lesson. I think people forget, instead of comparing, we need to say that this was a complete lesson that we needed for that moment. And I think the more you can put. Shift that. Yeah, you can shift that mindset, the better off you are.

[Kristin Davis]

I think that's great. I mean, I also think that we wouldn't have had a show if she could do that.

[Karamo Brown]

Exactly. No, of course.

[Kristin Davis]

Of course not.

[Karamo Brown]

No, no. We needed her to be a mess.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, totally. Totally. We needed all of them to be going through so much stuff. So much stuff. I don't know about you guys, but I love to buy gifts. I love it so much. I love it so much more than getting gifts.

[Karamo Brown]

But.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Kristin Davis]

Samantha's storyline over here is like the spa. Oh, my God. The masseuse I had also forgotten about.

[Karamo Brown]

She got him fired. I totally slipped my mind.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. Yeah.

[Karamo Brown]

She got the tip off.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[Karamo Brown]

Happy ending.

[Kristin Davis]

I had totally forgotten that. And I literally have never, ever in my life heard of women getting happy endings at a massage place. Have you?

[Karamo Brown]

No, I haven't. I think more should, though.

[Kristin Davis]

I think more should, I guess, though it seems like it would be weird with a stranger. I don't know.

[Karamo Brown]

I don't know. I think that maybe there could be a couple women if they were open to it. Like, it's nothing I'd recommend, but I think, like, why not?

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, that's true.

[Karamo Brown]

Like, I mean, in a classy establishment, maybe.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, in the class establishment. I mean, I do feel like massage. I haven't gotten one in forever because I'm too busy with kids and whatever. But, like, it is such a. Like, a wonderful treat, you know, just to have, like. And you don't need to know the person. It's just comforting to just have someone rubbing your body with someone rubbing your body.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

But the thing that. Also, I had totally forgotten about how Carrie and Samantha then go to that event that Natasha is in doing, you know, that charity event. But then Natasha's not even there. Carrie buys these shoes, and she has tea with me, and she says, do you want to see my shoes? And I was like, oh, you mean the shoes you can't afford? Which is foreshadowing her whole shoe debt, you know, and then wanting the money from me many seasons later. Like, it's also interesting, like, how connected our writers were in terms of these little moments that then build up over time. But then, so Samantha and Carrie go off to the. To the event, you know, looking fantastic. Then, of course, Natasha's not there. And then I had totally forgotten that they run into the woman at the spa who had told Samantha that that particular masseuse went down on her. And there are three women there, and the woman says, that's the one who got him fired. And they're like, oh, what? You. You Got him fired. And then this one woman says, well, who gonna me now? And I'm like, oh, my God, what kind of drama was going on with this guy? I had forgotten all of that. I mean, it was quite something, but I mean, almost I would have to go back to Cindy and ask her what this was based on, because usually all of our storylines had to be based on something that had happened to the writers, really, or their friends. It could be once removed. Like, it wasn't the actors. Everyone thought those. These were our stories. They were never our stories, thank God, because that would be very hard to play your own story, right?

[Karamo Brown]

Yes, of course.

[Kristin Davis]

But it was always had to be, like, based in a real story.

[Karamo Brown]

So that means there are women out there that are getting their happy endings. Okay.

[Ryan]

I know.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, I don't know, but, yeah, I guess. Good for them. I mean, it's so bizarre to think about it, but it's perfect for Samantha, of course, because she really wanted this. And then she doesn't get it, and she's really sad. And then for me, I mean, I feel like. I mean, I don't know. Of course my whole storyline could absolutely be based on me because I hate my legs. You know, they knew I hate my legs. I was always worried about, you know, what I was wearing or whatever. And I remember that this director, Pam Thomas, she had come from the commercial world, and she always had a really good visual eye. So I remember when I'm running through the spa, and it kind of has, like, comedy music, you know, and I'm, like, trying to, like, little by little, I hide behind this, like, tower of towels, and I let my towel down to my waist or whatever. And then I run, I scurry like a little mouse into the spa. And then I. I take my towel down and I'm all nervous. And then this woman goes, I would kill for your breasts. And I'm like, okay. Like, you know, whoa, this worked out. Like, I hadn't thought about that, you know, which I had forgotten that whole thing. And I mean, it's definitely like the comedic. You know, there was like, there'd be like, an A, B, C, D storyline for all four of us. And, you know, that's just how it is when you have four strong leads or what. However you want to define it. And mine is definitely the D, but I still love it. Like, it has so much resonance that, like, you're worried about one thing. You forget about what you have that other people would want. You know what I'm saying?

[Karamo Brown]

Yes, of course. That's what we talked about earlier with the comparison. Like, to see your character be validated later on about something that they were confused about. I think it was the most beautiful part of the scene.

[Kristin Davis]

Me, too. Right. Like, she would never think, like, oh, yeah, I do have good press. Like, you know, she was like, oh, wow. This is a outcome I didn't foresee happening. I dig it. I dig it. Like, it's nice. It's nice to see, like, even just the little moments of growth, you know, along the way.

[Karamo Brown]

Because we all know HBO days where they were all still doing, like, full bush in the, like, locker room.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, there was a lot of naked ladies. I was shocked. I don't remember that. I was like, wow.

[Karamo Brown]

Do they prep you and say when you walk on set, there's going to be 40 million naked ladies there? Like, how did.

[Kristin Davis]

Like, I mean, they must have. They must have, because we. This is back before the intimacy coordinators, right? But we would still. I mean, gosh, you know, this is a good question, because now what you would need to do, like, there'd be so many precautions taken, right? Like, you know how you have Video Village on a set, right? Like, that Video Village would have been, like, everyone would have been sent away. And to make sure there weren't, like, looky loose, you know, at the Village and all that. To make those women feel safe and protected. And this is a long time ago, so who knows what happened then? And I didn't even remember that it happened, right? So I'm not gonna remember this, but I do think we would have, like, a closed set, you know, so let's say, like, the larger crew wouldn't be standing there, you know, like, the lighting.

[Karamo Brown]

Guys and the grips, the lighting guys and all that.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean? Like, all of those people would go. But those ladies seemed to really relaxed. I mean, I'm sure that they had been hired, like, with the knowledge of, you know, what they were gonna do, you know what I mean? But I hadn't remembered that there were that many naked ladies. There were a lot. There were a lot of naked ladies. There were a lot. I mean, it was kind of cool, you know, because it was, like, relaxed. They were very relaxed. I mean, it's funny, though, to look back, because some of these things I don't remember, and I'm.

[Ryan]

I'm.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm, like, impressed that we did it.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah, it was ahead of its time. Ahead of its time. That's why it's a cultural phenomenon. It's true.

[Kristin Davis]

It's so nice. It's so nice that it still holds up and you still don't see these things. Oh, yeah. There's another funny little trivia thing. When they do go to this writing luncheon, we talk about. Carrie says she's checking in, and they have a weird moment where her name might not be on there. And Samantha and she are talking and they see. They say, oh, there's Gloria Steinem across the room. Now, we never see Gloria Steinem in this particular scene, but later on, Gloria comes on our show. And then just like that. And all of us had been huge Gloria Steinem fans. Our moms were all, you know, had Ms. Magazine on the table when we were growing up.

[Karamo Brown]

There was the big one where she reclaimed her power when she found out that she spelled their wrong.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Karamo Brown]

Yes. That's the. That was the thing that set me off the most.

[Kristin Davis]

I'd forgotten that as well. I'd forgotten that as well. So that is the scene after. So she goes to this luncheon thinking that she's gonna look fabulous and present herself beautifully. And then Natasha isn't even there, which is kind of a disappointment. So she goes home and the voiceover kind of connects it all. And Natasha, even though she didn't make it to the event, sends out handwritten thank you notes, which is kind of impressive, I think. But then when she goes to read it, she realizes that Natasha has spelled their wrongly for the sentence. And for a writer, of course, that's like, hugely important. And she immediately calls Miranda on her clunky old phone and says, I believe she says it's a good thing she got married. The woman is an idiot.

[Karamo Brown]

Burn.

[Kristin Davis]

Burn. My God. But it is kind of that kind of definitely, like self claiming amongst ourselves, like, you know what? We're smarter, we're better. We can do these things. We're out here in the world. We're not gonna get married and fall back on that, you know?

[Karamo Brown]

Agreed. Agreed.

[Kristin Davis]

Wait, and then there's something. Oh, oh, I didn't realize that the reference in the title is to the 1958 film Attack of the 50 Foot Woman.

[Karamo Brown]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, that kind of makes sense then. Cause that's what she seems like to carry, you know what I mean? And it does. My. My notes here do tell me that the New York Times wedding announcements are still a thing, which is funny. So I guess if you're, like, coming from one of those families where it was important, you can still do the official announcement as well as the Instagram, you know what I mean? Right now I want to go get.

[Karamo Brown]

Married and put that in there. Not because I really want it in there. Just because I want to have a moment where an ex opens it up and sees me getting married. I mean, now I want to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

That's real. That's real.

[Karamo Brown]

That's real.

[Kristin Davis]

That's real.

[Karamo Brown]

I'm joking. I don't want to do it.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, listen, you could do it if you wanted. You know what I'm saying?

[Karamo Brown]

Okay, you want to, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, do what you want.

[Karamo Brown]

And it's just also interesting not to. What your writers did really well. And why. Just to keep praising you all, because this really is. I'm glad to give you your flowers. Is those type of scenes. Like, we see Natasha is insecure as well. She doesn't want to come. She. She doesn't want to confront this anymore. This is not about, like, because if I'm on the board of something, I'm gonna come. But it just shows that we all have our own securities. We're all in our own head. And even the most perfect among us, we're all making mistakes. And so the best lesson is just live your life for you and love your life how it is. And that's why when they said this was the episode, I thought to myself, oh, I know it. I know this episode because it's one of the best.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. I didn't hardly remember this episode at all. I love it.

[Karamo Brown]

Well, I'm a super fan. I'm a super fan.

[Kristin Davis]

I have a question for you.

[Karamo Brown]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Are you a Charlotte?

[Karamo Brown]

So I believe that you have to find out from other people. So before we got on this, the entire. My entire Karamo show staff was upstairs. And a lot of them have worked. Also worked with me on Queer Eye for the last 10 seasons. And I said, I need y' all to tell me who I am. And the general consensus from everyone is that I'm a Charlotte.

[Kristin Davis]

Amazing.

[Karamo Brown]

I'm a Charlotte. They all said it.

[Kristin Davis]

That's so nice. Aw.

[Karamo Brown]

I think the only part that got me is because I'm not as, like, prudish. You know what I mean? I am still, like, a gay man. I'm older, so, like, my hoe y days are gone and they're behind me. But, you know, in my 20s, sure, she was in a crop in a short.

[Kristin Davis]

Short. It's kind of a prude. But if you actually watch, she actually, you know, there was a pretty high body count. You know what I'm saying?

[Karamo Brown]

Pretty high. Yeah. She had her fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes.

[Karamo Brown]

But, yeah, they all said no. You're the romantic. You're the kind one. You're always, like, telling people to. Giving them advice and telling them to slow down and be good. That's nice. And so apparently, I'm the Charlotte I did know. If they would have asked me, I thought they were gonna say I was like Miranda, But I guess I'm not. I guess I'm not.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, but maybe you're a man, a Miranda inside your own head.

[Karamo Brown]

In my head, I'm Miranda.

[Kristin Davis]

Right. I love it. I love it. I haven't had anyone yet. Go and take a poll, so I really appreciate that level of research. Very nice. Very nice.

[Karamo Brown]

Because you know what? This is my thing. When everybody talks about Sex and City, they all want to claim who they are.

[Kristin Davis]

Got it.

[Karamo Brown]

No, no, you got it. And when they claim who they are, I'm like, no, you're not that person.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. I mean, sometimes I do think, like, who you are in your own mind. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's not who you are.

[Kristin Davis]

Very different than, like, how your friends see you or the world sees you or whatever.

[Karamo Brown]

You're pretty exceptional and amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

Sweet. Thank you.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah, you are.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm so thrilled you came on the podcast. What a joy.

[Karamo Brown]

Anytime. Anything for you. You're amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

I would love to come on your show. You're great.

[Karamo Brown]

Anytime. Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Come on.

[Karamo Brown]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay.

[Karamo Brown]

Listen, have a great day, and thank you so much, and good luck with everything.

[Kristin Davis]

You too. Thank you so much.

[Karamo Brown]

Bye, love.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Karamo Brown]

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