Your Girl is Lovely Hubble... Heather Graham Continues... (S2 E18 "Ex and the City")

Summary

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Are You a Charlotte? — "Your Girl is Lovely Hubble... Heather Graham Continues..."

Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Heather Graham
Episode: S2 E18 "Ex and the City" (Original Airdate: October 15, 2025)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Are You a Charlotte? with Kristin Davis and guest Heather Graham dives into the iconic Sex and the City season 2 finale, "Ex and the City." Kristin and Heather break down the episode's emotional highs and lows, share personal memories from set and their own lives, and explore the enduring themes of friendship, heartbreak, female independence, and moving on. The conversation is equal parts nostalgic, humorous, and heartfelt, enriched by behind-the-scenes stories and personal reflections.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Revisiting "Ex and the City" — Breaking Down the Episode

• Carrie's “And Just Like That” Evolution

  • Kristin and Heather laugh over how familiar Carrie's voice-overs have become and how lines like "and just like that" have become embedded in pop culture.
  • Kristin shares her newfound appreciation for the writing:

    “I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And now I’m like, no, it’s incredible. It’s so great, right?” (03:44)

• Miranda and Steve’s Vulnerability

  • The emotional confrontation where Steve admits “you ran from me, that really hurt my feelings”—Kristin emphasizes how rare it was at that time for male characters to be openly vulnerable.

    “That’s so vulnerable and adorable that he says that to her, right? … He has connected with her underneath all of her facade of toughness.” (04:02 - 04:40)

• Charlotte’s Horse Backstory

  • Kristin reflects on Charlotte’s horse-loving childhood and the emotional gut punch of her father selling her beloved horse after an injury.

    “Her dad sold her horse, like, the next day. But I was competing, I think. … I’ve got to look up Charlotte’s backstory. … I do remember that she had a horse named Taddy that she loved.” (06:22 - 07:20)

• The Art of Running—On and Off Camera

  • Kristin recounts reluctantly getting a running coach for Melrose Place and ties Charlotte’s running scenes to the character’s driven, focused persona.

    “I did at one point ... I had to get a running coach ... all of the girls would talk about their workout routines, and I was like, darn. … I was one of those kids where everyone would laugh at me when I ran.” (05:33 - 06:13)

• Casting and Chemistry: Trey and Samantha’s Men

  • Kristin and Heather discuss the (urban legend?) that Kim Cattrall got to pick her love interests—and how in reality casting was often just as much of a surprise for the main cast.
  • The writers originally conceived Trey (Kyle MacLachlan) as a boring husband that everyone hated, but Kyle’s charm forced a pivot:

    “They had to shift real quick ... That was the joy of our writers, is that they would just go with what you guys really were.” (11:17)

Modern Dating, Age Gaps & On-Screen Trends

• Older Women, Younger Men: A Pop Culture Shift

  • Kristin brings up a recent trend in movies of older women pairing with younger men, noting it’s rooted in changing gender norms.

    “Part of the reason it’s a trend is because the younger guys grew up with different expectations ... and are not as held down by stereotypical norms.” (15:35)

  • Heather reflects on how society reacts differently to older women dating younger men compared to the reverse—referencing Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.

    “She got flack as well … why should she be getting flack when her male counterparts are not?” (15:56)

• Personal Anecdotes and Dating Apps

  • Heather shares how a friend expanded her dating app settings to younger men and was suddenly “flooded” with interest.

    “She was on there and she wasn’t getting a lot of matches. And then she expanded her profile to include much younger guys. And … she was flooded.” (17:48)

Iconic Moments — The “Big” Breakup and “Hubble” Reference

• The 11 Madison Park Lunch Scene

  • Kristin and Heather analyze the painfully awkward lunch between Carrie and Big, where he reveals his engagement to Natasha.

    “He has to tell her that he and Natasha are engaged. … There’s a horrific long silence. Literally horrific to the point where I’m like, Carrie, get up and run.” (24:35 - 25:20)

  • Kristin passionately calls out Big’s denial about “string[ing her] along”:

    “I just want to kill him, you know? He totally strung her along. He totally. What is he talking about?” (26:05)

• “Your girl is lovely, Hubble.”

  • The group discusses how this reference to The Way We Were became one of the series’ most emotional scenes. Kristin recounts recreating the iconic Plaza moment and its lasting impact.

    “She reaches up and touches his hair and says, ‘Your girl is lovely, Hubble.’ ... And it’s so incredibly good.” (41:45) “The wind blows her hair. Oh, it’s incredible. And he’s in the background and who cares about him? … Maybe some women aren’t meant to be tamed.” (41:57)

Behind the Scenes & The Realities of Fame

• Experiences with Guest Actors

  • Kristin describes the unusual challenges for men playing love interests on a female-centric show, and how it sometimes made male actors feel like “the girlfriend equivalent” on set.

    “It was hard for the men to come into our show as girlfriends. Basically, they were playing the girlfriend equivalent parts ... we'd kind of try to be friendly ... are you okay? How are you feeling?” (22:22)

  • After certain episodes, actors would get recognized and sometimes even harassed by fans (e.g., “You ruined Carrie’s life!”).

• Wardrobe and Set Trivia

  • Kristin and Heather geek out over the show’s iconic wardrobe (“That white dress is John Galliano for Christian Dior!” (44:45)) and reminisce about the evolving set designs for each character’s apartment.

Thematic Reflections: Women Running Free

• Feminism, Self-Discovery, and Letting Go
  • The episode’s horse motif is explored as a metaphor for women’s independence.

    “Maybe I didn’t break Big. Maybe the problem was he didn’t break me. Maybe some women aren’t meant to be tamed.” (42:44)

  • Heather and Kristin rejoice in the powerful closing images of Carrie striding past the Plaza and the horses:

    “That was an iconic moment … whether or not I get this guy, I’m fabulous, you know?” (43:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Segment/Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------|------------| | “That’s so vulnerable and adorable that he says that to her, right? … I love him so much.” | Kristin Davis | 04:02 | | “Her dad sold her horse, like, the next day. … You see why Charlotte loves her dogs …” | Kristin Davis | 06:22–07:20| | “They had to shift real quick ... That was the joy of our writers, is that they would just go with what you guys really were.” | Kristin Davis | 11:17 | | “Part of the reason it’s a trend is because the younger guys grew up with different expectations...” | Kristin Davis | 15:35 | | “She was on there and she wasn’t getting a lot of matches. … She expanded her profile ... flooded.” | Heather Graham| 17:48 | | “There’s a horrific long silence ... Carrie, get up and run.” | Kristin Davis | 24:38–25:20| | “He totally strung her along. He totally. What is he talking about?” | Kristin Davis | 26:05 | | “Maybe some women aren’t meant to be tamed.” | Carrie (via Kristin Davis) | 42:44 | | “That was an iconic moment. … Whether or not I get this guy, I’m fabulous, you know?” | Heather Graham | 43:02 | | “I play Charlotte. I am conflicted. Like, I’m not against. I celebrate freedom. But sometimes it’s not your personality, which is adorable.” | Kristin Davis & Heather Graham | 49:04 |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:00 — Miranda and Steve’s emotional honesty
• 06:20 — Charlotte’s horse, Taddy, and her deep-seated emotional wounds
• 10:45 — The original (but changed) character arc for Trey
• 15:35 — Cultural conversation: Older women & younger men in media and real life
• 19:00 — Samantha’s legendary “Mr. Too Big” storyline
• 24:35 — Carrie and Big’s emotional restaurant scene
• 41:45 — The "Your girl is lovely, Hubble" scene at the Plaza
• 42:44 — Carrie's iconic voiceover about not being "tamed"
• 44:45 — Wardrobe nostalgia: the white Galliano dress
• 45:04 — Heather Graham’s filmmaking and “chosen family” themes
• 49:04 — Kristin on her own “Charlotte” side and boundaries

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Behind-the-Scenes & Extra Insights

• Kristin admits she sometimes forgets whole scenes she filmed—like Charlotte running around the reservoir or Carrie’s pink dress restaurant scene.
• The hosts discuss how emotionally invested fans still approach the cast and guest actors, sometimes blurring fiction and reality.
• Heather details her own work as a writer/director and how she finds inspiration in female friendship shows like Sex and the City.

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Episode Takeaways

• The heartbreak of Ex and the City still resonates as an honest depiction of post-breakup uncertainty and self-worth.
• “Your girl is lovely, Hubble” is not just a quote, but a touchstone for women reclaiming narrative after rejection.
• Behind every classic SATC scene lies careful writing, character chemistry, and off-camera camaraderie.

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For those reminiscing, this episode is a delightful, emotionally honest tour through one of SATC’s most complex and beloved storylines—and a loving reminder that, sometimes, it’s best to run free.

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Transcript

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[Kristin Davis]

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They actually lose it.

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[Kristin Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Okay, we're back to the show. We're back to the show. So Carrie's home. She's thinking. She's got. She. She's like, I got to thinking. I mean, it's so funny to hear the lines, you know, because everyone used to talk about this stuff, but I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And now I'm like, no, it's incredible. It's so great, right? And I do think she says, and just like that at some point, which is also really funny.

[Heather]

I noticed that when I was rewatching it this morning. It's interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

It's interesting. No, no. Didn't. Had. I had no idea that that was going on, but it was. So she's talking about, you know, friendship with an ex, and is it an unsolvable equation, or is it, you know, what does the X mean? Right. Like, she talks about math for a second, which is kind of funny. I was like, okay, talking about math equations. All right, so Steve adorably shows up at Miranda's door because he's like, you ran from me. That really hurt my feelings. He's so sweet. Like, that's so vulnerable and adorable that he says that to her, right? Like, oh, God, I just love him so much. And Miranda kind of burst into tears, which is also fascinating. And I didn't remember any of this, but Cynthia's just so, so good. They're so good together. And you see that she really has this turmoil. And she says a few times in the scene, like, I really miss you. And you realize at that point, like, oh, it's like, so much more than she wants to even fully admit to, you know, like, he has connected with her underneath all of her facade of toughness, you know? And I love it so much. So Steve is back.

[Heather]

It's great.

[Kristin Davis]

So great. So great. Then I, weirdly, am Running. I don't remember this at all. I'm like, what am I wearing? I don't remember filming this. I'm running around the reservoir, which is a theme.

[Heather]

You had a lot of scenes where you ran around the reserve reservoir. I know so many.

[Kristin Davis]

And that one I did not remember.

[Heather]

Yeah. Do you run?

[Kristin Davis]

No.

[Heather]

No. I don't either. I did.

[Kristin Davis]

I did at one point when I was on Melrose Place, I had the very distinct sensation that I was not working out enough to fit in.

[Heather]

I have tried to run, and I hate it.

[Kristin Davis]

I had to get a running coach.

[Heather]

Wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Because all of the girls would talk about their workout routines, and I was like, darn. I'm, like, not doing it at all. Right. So I got a running coach, and he would teach me how to run because I was one of those kids where everyone would laugh at me when I ran. Right.

[Heather]

Oh, that's cute.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Not cute at the time, but thank you. So he taught me how to run better. I don't know that I'm still that good, but he taught me how to run better. And I ran on the beach, which.

[Heather]

Was, you know, really hard.

[Kristin Davis]

And it made my quads look like a speed skater in the Olympics. Wow. Yeah.

[Heather]

So you build up muscle, like, really fast.

[Kristin Davis]

It was a bad idea.

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[Kristin Davis]

Had to quit that. But then when they were like, charlotte runs. I did think it made sense because she's so focused and trying to move forward in her pursuits. Right. It seemed to work. And she also plays tennis, which we'll get to with the Kyle character, you know, with Trey. And she makes jokes about her Waspy family, and that's how they handle emotions, which I think is great. Right. Like, those things I thought were great. So I was like, yes, yes. Let's run. Let's try to wear some decent workout wear and run. So I'm running and I see a horse. I didn't remember this. I remember that I would talk about my love, my tatty love, but I hadn't remembered. I tell a story, or Carrie tells the story, I guess the voiceover that I had fallen off the horse and broken my collarbone and my father had sold the horse the next day, which seems so harsh, you know, like, ow. I hadn't remembered any of that. Like, emotionally, you see why Charlotte loves her dogs that are coming so much. Right? Because her dad sold her horse, like, the next day. But I was competing, I think. I mean, like, what? I've got to look up Charlotte's backstory. You know what I mean? I was like, wow, I don't remember any of this. I do remember that she had a horse named Taddy that she loved. So I see this horse and it's riding through Central park. And this still happens where you'll just be walking in Central park and see a horse go by and it's.

[Heather]

Yeah, I just saw one and I was just walking there. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

It's incredible, right? Like, it's such an old world thing that's still happening. It's. It's pretty cool. So I see the horse, I. We hear the story, I think, from Carrie about Taddy, the horse in the competition that broke my collarbone. And then I think maybe it's time to get back in the saddle. And that's some lovely writing. You know, it connects to the others without me having to have a guy, which I think is great. Right then. Samantha, this is great. And I would love to know where John Enos is, the actor who plays Mr. Too Big, which we're about to meet. Did you ever meet him?

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

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[Kristin Davis]

Oh, he was all around in the scene in the 90s.

[Heather]

He was really handsome.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, my God, is he handsome. And he's so nice.

[Heather]

Yeah. And I mean, he's fit, too.

[Kristin Davis]

You're just. Oh, my.

[Heather]

I heard at one point this is a rumor, I heard that Samantha, that Kim Cattrall got to choose her love interests at a certain point once the show got more successful that she could like, sign off on them or what.

[Kristin Davis]

We all do.

[Heather]

You do?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Heather]

So you guys would say, like, I, okay to this person, but not to that person.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, this is what would happen. So. Not if it was a one episode guy. At least not for me. And I don't know, in that case, you know, because she had some kind of, you know, more intimate stuff to do with people. Right. So maybe they asked her, which would have been lovely. I have no idea. But like, for me, I don't think. I don't think they asked me to be involved until it was Trey.

[Heather]

Really? So when they chose Trey, they let you.

[Kristin Davis]

But this is what was funny.

[Heather]

How could you say no to Chakal McLachlan? I mean, you must have been psyched, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, Well, I was shocked, okay? I was shocked. I was shocked for so many reasons. But. And actually, now that I'm thinking back on it, they didn't actually ask me, they just told me.

[Heather]

Right, right, right, right, right. No, that's a great get for you guys.

[Kristin Davis]

Beyond.

[Heather]

Absolutely.

[Kristin Davis]

But also, Michael Patrick had gone to an event, like a picnic, and he had been there and he just Michael Patrick was just dazzled.

[Heather]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

But the thing that was weird for me was that what I'd been told, because Michael would sit us down before every season, tell us the arc of our character, the big picture, even way back. Yeah, it was very respectful. Respectful and lovely. And we were included even though we had no titles right at that point. And the idea was that the beginning of third season, I started talking about, I'm gonna get married. I've got this book, and it tells me how, and so crazy. Oh, my God.

[Heather]

I have so many friends that do stuff like that.

[Kristin Davis]

Really? Oh, my gosh.

[Heather]

Well, I read this book, and on this many dates, this should be happening. I'm like, you know that, like, these books aren't actually, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. Yes. It was very hard. I had to really act my ass off during these scenes. Super didactic. Like, this is what I'm going to do. No, no, no, no, no. So I would. I'm really. They set me on a course, you know, I'm going to be married by the end of the year. And then the idea originally had been, that's so funny. I mean, it. And. But people do this because they're totally relatable. Oh, my God.

[Heather]

I've done Calling in the one. I've done all these, like, books that you read, you know.

[Kristin Davis]

Wow.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I avoid them like the plague. Okay.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Smart. Thank you. Well, I think. Cause I played Charlotte, right?

[Heather]

Yeah. You already got that.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So the idea for Trey in the original, before we met Kyle, was that Charlotte would find this guy and he would be handsome and everything, but that he was super boring and that everyone hated him. And then it would be the kind of thing where they'd be like, oh, God, here he comes. Will you talk to him like the friends? Which we've all been through. Right, Right. But the problem was he was played by Kyle MacLachlan.

[Heather]

So he's not boring.

[Kristin Davis]

He's not boring. And I know, yay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's really cute.

[Kristin Davis]

And all of us were equally like, huh, you know, Kyle McLaughlin. So they had to shift real quick. Right. But that was the joy of our writers, is that they would just go.

[Heather]

With what you guys really were. And then, like.

[Kristin Davis]

Which was, I think, why it worked. AG's new Fall 2025 collection from Canvas to Cloth, is inspired by artists and their studios. As someone who plays a character deeply rooted in the art world, it truly feels like something Charlotte would love. The collection blends creativity with wearability. From soft knits and suedes to new denim silhouettes like the Boyfriend Fit for women. It's relaxed, effortless and so chic. And it's not just for women. AG has great pieces for men, too, perfect for dressing the whole family. The Fall 2025 collection is available now at agjeans.com and use code KRISTEN15 for 15% off your next order. I'm going to be using my own discount, you guys. I'm so excited.

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[Kristin Davis]

They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts.

[Podcast Narrator]

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[Kristin Davis]

Have you seen this thing lately about. They've made a bunch of movies where there's like an older woman and a younger guy.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And they're actually talking about this being a trend. And part of the reason it's a trend is because the younger guys grew up with different expectations and kind of training and are not as held down by kind of the, you know, stereotypical norms that our age. Right.

[Heather]

And I think older women are also getting more brave, you know, because I think probably there was always probably younger women that. Younger men that wanted to go out with older women. But maybe some older women felt like, maybe I'm not supposed to do this. Like, I don't know if you remember when Demi Moore dated Ashton Kushner. I mean, I think a lot of people were like, oh, lucky, you know, that's a hot couple. But she got flack as well, you know, so it's like, why should she be getting flack when, like, her male counterparts are not getting any flack, you.

[Kristin Davis]

Know, for one hot second? No. No man ever gets flack, but all the women get flack. It's insane. But what I love now is they're making these. Like, Laura Dern did one with Chris Hemsworth. I want to say, love it. I'm happy we did one. Some young man, I don't even know.

[Heather]

I saw that one. Yes, yes.

[Kristin Davis]

I loved it. Did you love it?

[Heather]

Yeah, it was really good. I love it. I love that director, Michael Showalter. He's amazing.

[Kristin Davis]

He's so good. He's so good. Like, I love that trend and I want it to be a real trend. And there's some other actress person who's talked about this, and I can't remember who it is right now, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's do that, let's do that. But then I think to myself, I mean, it's odd with my kids, right? Like, you know, I can't really just be like, hey, here's this 30 year old dude. Like, you know what I mean? My kids are good.

[Heather]

You could what? I mean, look at the director. What's her name, who did 50 Shades of Grey, who's got the much younger husband, who. They are, like, super in love, and they've been together a 20 years.

[Kristin Davis]

Incredible. Yeah. No, that's super impressive. I mean, you can always find.

[Heather]

Of course you can find.

[Kristin Davis]

But I think for my kids, I wouldn't want to casually introduce.

[Heather]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right. If it was something.

[Heather]

If you were serious.

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes. And then if the guy could play basketball, everything would be fine.

[Heather]

Your kids would like him.

[Kristin Davis]

I'd have to send him to a coach if he wasn't good at basketball. But. But I think I love that trend. I mean, not to say that there's anything wrong with men our age, because. Because there's not. But, I mean, a lot of them are married, obviously, or, you know, maybe divorced.

[Heather]

No, My friend, she was on some dating apps, and she's a really successful writer. She's really cool. She's around our ages, and so she was on there and she wasn't getting, like, a lot of matches. And then she expanded her profile to include, like, much younger guys. And her. She was, like, flooded. Amazing. And now she's gonna. She's the one. I think we might write something together, but, like. But no, she was flooded with all these younger guys trying to date her.

[Kristin Davis]

Did she go out with him?

[Heather]

She went out with some.

[Kristin Davis]

And how was it?

[Heather]

I think she had a fun fling with one guy.

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[Kristin Davis]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. I mean, maybe that's what it is, and that's fine.

[Heather]

No, but it was so funny how she got, like, this massive, like, wow.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. All right, all right, let's go back to the show. Back to the show. Okay, so Samantha is walking down the street. This fits right in. This is before apps, you guys. She's walking down the street, Madison Avenue, and she walks by this hunk of man. His name in life is John Enos. And he looks at her, and she looks at him and it's like, ooh, sizzly. And then she walks past him and looks in the window at Prada on the Upper east side. And then he comes back and he says something like, you know, you look amazing. And she goes, well, you're so confident. What makes you so confident? She says, cocky.

[Heather]

Yeah, right?

[Kristin Davis]

And he goes, I guess I was born that way. And he's not joking, we find out later, which is super funny. But I love how he plays it because he's just, like, light and kind of, like, Well, I guess I was just born that way. But he's like, just the hunk.

[Heather]

I mean, if that guy asked you out on the street, you'd be like, wow.

[Podcast Narrator]

I mean.

[Kristin Davis]

Right, right. And Samantha plays it a little. I know. Which is very.

[Heather]

Well, not like very.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, cool for her. Right. So then we're just going to do her storyline because I think it's super interesting. They. They go. They're in her really weirdly red bedroom, and she takes her. She's in her, like, cute little lingerie, and he strips that shirt off and you're just like, jesus. And then he goes, you know, I think I need to tell you something before we go any further. And she's like, yes. And she. I can see in her face, she thinks he's gonna say he has a STD or something. You know what I mean? She's like, oh, no, this is bad. And then he goes, you know, I just need to tell you I'm very well endowed. And he seems kind of adorably embarrassed when he says this.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Right? Yeah.

[Heather]

He's being very modest.

[Kristin Davis]

So cute. And she's like, oh, that's wonderful. She's all like, cat.

[Heather]

Like, she go like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Totally.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

She's very int. And then we come to find out, no, it's actually an actual problem, which is interesting. And even Samantha can't do it, which is bizarre. And I would love to know his experience of playing that guy. Because all the guys.

[Heather]

I wonder if a lot of women after that show were like, okay, I'm ready. Give it to me. Right.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it could have been because all the guys have trippy, trippy stories about, like.

[Heather]

About women hitting on them after being.

[Kristin Davis]

On the show or just hating them, really. Do you know what I mean? Depending on who they played, really. Like, who? Like, I feel kind of bad for them. Yeah. Who was just telling us. Oh, well, Federman was telling us that people had said all kind of crazy things to him about the mouse and whatever, you know what I mean? And then.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

And then someone else. Oh, Brian Van Holt. Because he kind of had a. He played like a. Like a. I don't want to say who it was written after, but, you know, he was kind of icky. And so people would. Sometimes they'd be like, oh, my God, you're that guy. And then be like, oh, that was terrible. You know, whatever. Like he'd actually done it, you know? Mm. And also, Bridget, who played Natasha, told me that for years people would come up to her and say, Things like, you know, you ruined Carrie's life.

[Heather]

Are you kidding?

[Kristin Davis]

Isn't that messed up?

[Heather]

People don't realize this is not real, Right?

[Kristin Davis]

It's not real.

[Heather]

Also, Carrie cheated on. Yeah, she actually. In fact, Harry actually did worse because they're two. Whereas Bridget, like, he was single, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And they were broken up.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

You know what I mean? So she had to put up with it for a while. But she said as time went on, people would come up to her and be like, you know, you were wronged and, you know, whatever, you know. And she'd be like, oh, thank God, the tides have turned. Anyway, it's all very trippy, but, yes, it is all fictional. So it's interesting to me that.

[Heather]

Because maybe he doesn't have. I don't know.

[Kristin Davis]

He probably.

[Heather]

Maybe it's just.

[Kristin Davis]

I normally feel. Sure it's fine. I just want to say.

[Heather]

No, I'm sure he has a good one.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm sure it's good. I feel in my bones that it is good. Just from the way that he handled it at the time. I could be wrong. I have no personal knowledge.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

But he didn't seem to have any problem with it. Let me put it that way.

[Heather]

Maybe you should find out.

[Kristin Davis]

You should find out for sure. But I do feel, at the time, we had figured out, like, as a group, that it was hard for the men to come into our show as girlfriends. Basically, they were playing the girlfriend equivalent parts, right? And it seemed unusual for them to be doing that. And sometimes they seemed uncomfortable. So we would kind of try to be friendly, you know, and try to be like, are you okay? How are you feeling? And I remember talking to Johnny, and I'm fine. You know, how are you?

[Heather]

And I love life.

[Kristin Davis]

He seemed totally fine. I hope that that's still true. Okay, here we go. There's so much more to talk about. Oh, my God. Okay, so this is when they. Okay, okay. Carrie. Carrie decides. Carrie sees. Okay. So they have this whole conversation about, can you be friends with your ex? Then Carrie goes home and she finds a Laura Ashley dress from the 1980s, which I had a few of that I wore for auditions. You know, they would be like, my special dress, which really makes me laugh and possibly why I didn't get parts in the 80s when I just got out of college. Right. So she finds an old dress, and she realizes, like, this is so crazy, that we would keep old clothes, but that we just throw away our ex boyfriends. And she decides to call Big. She calls him Up. Natasha picks up the phone, not expecting this. So Carrie hangs up the phone. You know, this is in the olden days with regular phones, right? Then she decides, like, oh, no, he could see caller id. So I'm gonna call back. So that he calls back. She calls back, and they. They have this whole conversation. And then they decide to have lunch at 11 Madison park, which is still a lovely, very formal, expensive restaura. And Carrie comes in this beautiful pink dress. I have no memory of this scene at all. I vaguely remember stress about. But there's, like, a number of different restaurant scenes. Like, there's the restaurant scene where they eventually fall in the pond in the park, Right? There's a bunch of restaurant scenes, but this one I didn't remember at all. And I didn't even know it was gonna happen. Right? Like, I'm just sitting on the edge of my seat. What's gonna happen? It was so good. It was so good. And she has her beautiful natural curly hair with a little bit of frizz on top. I love it so desperately. And he is being nervous, which we've almost never seen.

[Heather]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kristin Davis]

And it's interesting.

[Heather]

He's always like, Mr. Cool Guy, right?

[Kristin Davis]

And he's, like, repeating himself and nervous because he knows that he has to tell her that he and Natasha are engaged. And he tells her. She says, let's make a pact that we're not gonna talk to each other about our relationships until they get very serious. At which point there's a horrific long silence. Literally horrific to the point where I'm like, carrie, get up and run. You know what I mean? Because I couldn't remember what was going to happen. But, like, he just looks at her for the longest time. And the thing that I thought was great about it is he's so torn. Like, on the one hand, he is engaged to this girl, and she's lovely and, like, perfect in so many ways. But he's still so torn, you know, about telling Carrie. Like, it's interesting. And I thought he played it really, really well.

[Heather]

Yeah, totally, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

Because you just see so much in his eyes, right? But also, you want to be like, you, like.

[Heather]

Yeah. You don't really know what he's thinking. You're like, oh, do you want to be back with Carrie?

[Kristin Davis]

Do you not.

[Heather]

You don't really know where he's coming from.

[Kristin Davis]

No. And I mean, that's the whole thing with Mr. B. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? The whole. That's the entire thing. You never know where he's coming from. And I so relate to that, to being in those relationships where you're just.

[Heather]

It's like that old school man who doesn't know how to express his feelings, doesn't know how to talk to you. And it's very frustrating.

[Kristin Davis]

And that's why people want to go out with younger men.

[Heather]

Yeah. Interesting. Because they are a little better at talking.

[Kristin Davis]

It seems like it. I mean, I'm sure that's not a.

[Heather]

Maybe they're not brought up with the same, like, old school macho. Like you are not allowed to have any feelings and you can never talk about them, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, definitely. And good for them if that's true. So he tells her that they're engaged. She puts her head down in her hands and then she says, it just really cut my heart so bad. She says, you string me along for two years, then you marry some 25 year old girl after five months. And he's like, I did not string you along. And I just want to kill him. I just want to kill him, you know? He totally strung her along. He totally. What is he talking about?

[Heather]

Like, Meg, I love how supportive you are to Carrie.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

It's cute.

[Heather]

You really are like a good friend, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Well, of course I am. But I also really, really relate, you know what I mean? And like, I have had. I mean, I can't think right now of any.

[Heather]

Well, it's kind of that thing, you know. Well, she says it later, like when you break a guy in and then you help them grow and then they're ready for the next one, but not for you.

[Kristin Davis]

It's super annoying.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And I have definitely felt that I can't think of who they are right now, which is interesting if I have forgotten them. But I know that there are times in my youth where I was like, well, I did all the work and now look at that. But I didn't really necessarily want that. Right. So there was that too, of like. But I'm still free, which is great. That's what I wanted. Do you know what I mean? It's interesting. So now we cut to Carrie and me in the stables, in the Claremont stables, like I was telling you about. And I. I'm just thinking, like, why is Charlotte making poor Carrie be there in her heels?

[Heather]

Why did Carrie wear heels to go to the stable? Carrie, you know what I mean?

[Kristin Davis]

Because she's Carrie. And I, you know, I want to get back up on the horse, but she's obviously just basically flipping out after this lunch. Right? And just like, she's a Very cute.

[Heather]

Top on, by the way, that I wish I had.

[Kristin Davis]

All of it is very cute. And she has it in this storage unit somewhere. Maybe one day it will come back out. And Carrie compares her relationship with Big to a horse and that she broke him in. Right. Which is all the horse imagery, as you said, is fantastic through the whole show. And I'm scared to get on the horse, which is also interesting. And I kind of freak out. I go to get on the horse and then. And then I'm like, no. And then we leave. And I'm like, low level Charlotte. Terrified. Like, you know, Charlotte has a lot of. A lot of big feelings. Then we're back to Samantha. She just can't do it, which is so sad. And poor John Enos, I felt so.

[Heather]

I felt bad for him too. Like, she needs a really big, big, big vagina. Big coochie.

[Kristin Davis]

I guess.

[Heather]

I mean, I hope he found someone that could do it.

[Kristin Davis]

I know.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I just feel like if you tried longer, harder with some lubricant or. I don't know.

[Heather]

But I have seen some guys that. Their penises are crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Really?

[Heather]

I mean, I'm not saying I was more like in a porno. Okay? Not in life. I've never been with a guy where I was like, oh, my God. But, like, sometimes if you. You see people online, you're like, is that really real?

[Kristin Davis]

It's psych. You know, I mean, there's that one guy where they made a. I mean, obviously Heather's made me feel very comfortable, you guys. I'm saying some crazy craziness on here. There's that one porn guy where they made a dildo based on him. Right?

[Heather]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

That was because we've had to film at numerous sex shops or whatever you call it.

[Heather]

Like the one on How Big is It?

[Kristin Davis]

It was pretty big, but I don't feel like it was like.

[Heather]

It's not ridiculous. No, but I've seen people like that. It's like, who wants that? I mean, that's.

[Kristin Davis]

I don't want that. Yeah, yeah, No, I don't want that.

[Heather]

That is crazy.

[Kristin Davis]

Heather just really put her hands far away, you guys. Like 12 inches. Okay. In case you're not watching. I mean, that is kind of what is implied because, like, when they are trying again, right? You know, they're kind of going slow. And she's like, okay, okay, okay. And then he goes, okay, are we ready? And she's like, are we ready?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

So I guess it's implying length. Yeah. That's weird. I can't imagine that. That could be painful. I don't know. I've never had that problem. I don't know. Yeah, It's a loaded storyline, man. Oh, my God. So then I've skipped around a bit, but, oh, then this is so sweet. So Miranda and Steve go to dinner because they're trying to be friends. But you can so tell that, you know, it's just unfinished, unfinished business, man. So they come back and they have the sweetest room. The sweetest scene in her bedroom. Which also made me think, like, does Miranda not have the rest of her set yet?

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

Because we had to, like, we would each get more walls, you know, as time went on. And for a long time, I only had the white bedroom with a picture of a woman falling through water. Like kind of a sad and interesting picture. And a pink lamp, which I still have in my house. Oh, wow. And I used to only have two flats that they would just move around. And then once I had a hallway when Samantha sleeps with my doorman. And I was like, I don't even remember that hallway. Where'd that hallway go? And then I get a kitchen when Samantha sleeps with my brother. But then that kitchen disappears also, they're all white. That's how you know that they're mine.

[Heather]

Right?

[Kristin Davis]

And then I think, well, we don't go to my house in this scene. We're just with the horses. But with Samantha, we just see her red bedroom. And with Miranda, I feel like we just see the bedroom with the metal bed. But when she had the interior designer, she did have a living room. But I don't know.

[Heather]

One of my most memorable Miranda scenes was when she made the brownies and she's trying not to eat the whole tray. And then she threw them in the trash. But then she took them out of the trash. And then she threw them in the trash again. And then she poured, like, soap on it. So she stopped because.

[Kristin Davis]

Do you remember when she ate the cake out of the trash or the cookie she eats out of the trash? I know this because it's a meme. Okay. It's a meme. It's really good. It's really good.

[Heather]

It's relatable. You're like, I'll just have one cookie.

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. I mean, all the Miranda food stuff is hysterical. Like, they wrote that scene and Cynthia was always so game to do it because we would really eat in the coffee shop scene.

[Heather]

We really would.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Everyone would ask us.

[Heather]

They would just give you what foods you really wanted.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. They would ask us in advance what Food do you want? You would try to order wisely, obviously. And what would you order? Very long. It would depend. I would usually order like a chicken breast or something. Something that was like, you know, not to, like, let it. Like, I was not into the salads. Cynthia was into the salads. So they eventually write a scene where she has, like, all this salad dressing and it's like, all over her face. And I was like, you guys, why are you going so far? Like, don't go so far. And was so totally game. And sometimes I get salmon or something healthy.

[Heather]

So you get, like a protein.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. What would everyone else get? A fair amount of salads, except they're hard to eat and they really want us to eat.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

So if you don't pick your fork up, they'll come over there and be like, pick your fork up.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay.

[Heather]

I'm trying to. That's the problem. I mean, we both know, like, once they're shooting from all, you have to eat a lot of food in those scenes so much because you can do like 20 takes or 30 takes of that scene.

[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

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[Kristin Davis]

We gotta cover Hubble.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Kristin Davis]

Which we kind of did. Anyway, it's such a good scene and I lose my voice in the scene. You can tell that because we had to sing so much. Oh, wow. My voice is like half at Half Mask.

[Heather]

I never noticed that.

[Kristin Davis]

I also lose my voice a lot as the Season goes. Because we would work all night, all night, all night. And have to be loud even though we're body mic'd and everything. So my voice is like scratchy. And I'm always scared to death of singing. And I can tell Sarah's like caretaking me in that scene. Do you know what I mean? She's looking at me like, focus. Focus on me. Don't be scared.

[Heather]

Sweet.

[Kristin Davis]

I know. Cause also you're singing Barbra Streisand. It's not an easy song, you know, but it's a fun. It's fun to watch because, like, we are, the three of us, so invested in explaining to Samantha the similarities and the beauty of the way we were. In case any of you listening have not seen the way we watch it, please see it immediately. It is magical in so many ways.

[Heather]

And they duplicated the plaza scene, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Exactly.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

I mean, it's incredible. It's incredible. And just recently, when we were promoting that other show, I'm not gonna say the name. We were in Paris and we went on this kind of like, they have like, lengthy talk shows in Europe, you know, and we, Cynthia, Sarah and I went together onto this talk show. And there was a whole panel of people interviewing us. Like maybe five people. It was so interesting. And the main woman was in charge. And they had this whole package made of the way we were. Of Barbra Streisand singing, of Sarah Jessica talking about how she loves Barbra Streisand. And then the scene at the end of this episode, and they played the whole thing for us and all of us teared up. I teared up thinking about it. It was so good, you know, and so beautiful. And at that point, we didn't know that the show was ending. But it reminded us, you know, of like all the times before, you know, and like what we've gotten to make and just the beauty. And like, that was a really memorable moment.

[Heather]

And not only that, it was like your guys friendship and just that beautiful, like. Yeah, it was just a great energy.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And it was so good. And right when they finished. Cause I was looking at Cynthia and Sarah. Cause I'm the crier, right?

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

And I was like, oh, no, what are they gonna do? They're teared up and they don't want to be teared up on a TV show. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, when it was done, I think I jumped in there to try to talk, to give them a minute or whatever. But I mean, it was. It really like and then when I watched the episode, I have all those feelings all over again. It's so good.

[Heather]

Yeah, it really is. It's one of the most powerful episodes, I think.

[Kristin Davis]

I agree. And so she. Let's just talk through it, just briefly. So basically, the engagement party's been happening. Carrie's been down the street with us, talking about how she can feel them down there. She was invited, but she didn't go, which also, it's a little weird they invited her, but whatever. And, you know, we're all. We're drinking and we're like, you know, ah. You know, and we're trying to talk about other things. And then she walks by it, which, you know, she's like, kind of drawn, you know, like a moth to a flame. Right. And she sees Big getting in the car with Natasha, and he sees her and he's wearing this very blah brown suit.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And he.

[Kristin Davis]

To me, I'm like, why do we care so much about him? Journey me. That's how I felt.

[iHeart Advertising Representative]

Right.

[Heather]

That's interesting.

[Kristin Davis]

And she loves Incredible, you know, in that white slip dress just to die. So he walks over to her and she's so sweet and kind of sad and sweet to him and has so much poise.

[Heather]

She's, like, looking for clarity, too. Like, well, why. Why did you ask her to marry you and not me? Right.

[Kristin Davis]

She says, why her?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Kristin Davis]

He doesn't really answer.

[Heather]

Yeah, he doesn't. Well, he says it was complicated.

[Kristin Davis]

And then he says it was just so hard. That's what he says. Which I just want to kill him when he says that. I'm like. But then he goes, goes. And she's just so. And I think the word would be simple. Right. But it doesn't say it.

[Heather]

Or easy, maybe. Easy, totally.

[Kristin Davis]

But then you're thinking, what is it costing her to be like that? That's what I'm thinking. At least. I'm like, how hard is she having to try to be so easy? I mean, maybe she just is naturally that way, but I don't know anything about that.

[Heather]

Easier to kind of keep that up after five months, a few years later, you know? Nobody's that easy. Right, Right.

[Kristin Davis]

That's one thing, too, Heather. That's what. So then he kind of trails off. He doesn't really give her, like, a solid answer. And that leads her into remembering the Barbra Streisand, Robert Redford moment. And she reaches up and touches his hair and says, you know, your girl is lovely, Hubble. And he says.

[Heather]

He's kind of like, doesn't make what? I don't get it or something.

[Kristin Davis]

He says, I don't get it. And Carrie says, and you never did? Yeah, and it's so incredibly good. And then she walks away towards camera, which is one of the most.

[Heather]

It's a great shot.

[Kristin Davis]

And the wind blows her hair. Yeah. Oh, it's incredible. And he's in the background and who cares about him? You know what I mean? And then she says, this is so good. So she's right by the plaza, which is where the horses are for the horse drawn carriages for Central park, which I really personally wish they weren't, but they still are. So she walks by the horses and you can see it's actually one of our ads is playing the horse drawn carriage guy and he's trying to put the harness on the horse's head. And the horse doesn't want the harness on its head. It's like fighting it. Right. And the line, the voiceover line says, then I had a thought. Maybe I didn't break big. Maybe the problem was he didn't break me. Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed.

[Heather]

Oh, chills. I feel like I related to that so much.

[Kristin Davis]

She's so good. And maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. And isn't that just who we should.

[Heather]

Be and not just fit into this box, but just to really be your authentic self?

[Kristin Davis]

Yes, yes. And it's so good. And her and that horse have a.

[Heather]

Look that was an iconic moment. Just like walking away with a horse and a thing and like, whether or not I get this guy, I'm fabulous, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely, absolutely. And then she says, maybe they need to run free until they find someone just as wild to run with. With. Yeah, I've forgotten that part. Because she doesn't really like the. I don't know what happens next because I can't remember, but Aiden comes eventually. He's. I mean, I don't know, maybe this is unfair. He's not really someone to run wild with.

[Heather]

Yeah, I mean, I guess you could see him as slightly wilder than big, but he's not exactly what you're picturing when she's saying that, you know?

[Kristin Davis]

No, you're thinking, let this woman run wild, like for real.

[Heather]

Right.

[Kristin Davis]

Anyway, it was really good. Oh, wait, here's. Here's some Enos trivia, okay? His name is John Enos III. Okay? And he played Mr. Cocky and he was known before this episode as Bobby Parisi on Melrose Place. Oh, my God, he was.

[Heather]

Did you work with him?

[Kristin Davis]

No, I think he came after me. Maybe that's what we talked about. After this episode. He went on to do 212 episodes of the Young and the Restless. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Katie, did you know him from Mellow's Place?

[Podcast Narrator]

No.

[Heather]

No.

[Kristin Davis]

Apparently we were both on the same season four. Maybe I did. We've got to find John Enos and ask him.

[Heather]

Maybe you should have him on. Talk to him.

[Kristin Davis]

I should totally have him on the Catching up with Friends. Then we. We have some trivia about the. The. Yes, we recreated. We already talked about that. 11 mil 11. Madison park still open.

[Heather]

I'm glad we did this episode. I love this episode.

[Kristin Davis]

I love this episode so much. I had totally forgotten that that white dress is John Galliano for Christian Dior. The, like, most desired vintage season. Are you.

[Heather]

You seriously?

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah. Also, the.

[Heather]

It would be fun to talk about some of your. I love, like your love story with Kyle and Evan. I mean, it was so fun to see Charlotte go through that. It was.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm glad. I'm so glad. I mean, it was kind of. It was like. It was kind of stressful at times. You. You know what I mean? But also, I want to talk about your movie you made.

[Heather]

Oh, thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

Okay. I cannot believe you wrote, directed, and starred in a film called Chosen Family, which I love the title. I mean, how did you do that?

[Heather]

Well, I, you know, I try. I wanted to celebrate friendships and the friends of the chosen family. And, you know, in a lot of ways, I've been inspired by Sex and the City, maybe because I could relate. But it's kind of about how there's like a sort of like a codependency undercurrent to it as well. It's kind of about how, you know, sometimes if your family has certain maybe dysfunctional patterns, how you can be attracted to that in your relationship.

[Kristin Davis]

Well, I must see this film.

[Heather]

It's kind of about how your friends are really your family and. And yeah, love it.

[Kristin Davis]

But how was it directing yourself?

[Heather]

It was fun. There's also a story plot about dating a guy, a divorced guy with a kid. And I don't know if you've. Well, you have kids, but I've dated someone. I don't know either dating someone and them trying to get along with your kids or you dating someone trying to get along with their kids. That can be sometimes like a transitional period where they're not always so excited, like, oh, obviously.

[Kristin Davis]

No, that's why I said I'm not gonna introduce my kids to the 30 year old that I'm gonna find in the future.

[Heather]

I mean, some people I know have had, like, no problems, and they get along great, but sometimes, you know, there's a period where it works hard.

[Kristin Davis]

Yeah, but, like, how did you direct yourself?

[Heather]

Well, you know, I had people on set that were great. I had my best friend who's a producer. His name is Michael Nichols, and he was there. He would help. And then the DP's amazing. He actually shot Emily in Paris and a bunch of other cool shows. So they would help me and be like, well, try this or try that or maybe this scene's not working. Try it this way, try it that way. So we were like a little three group where we had. We talked about everything in advance and.

[Kristin Davis]

Cool.

[Heather]

Yeah. And I hope to. I have some other stuff that I'm developing. I just wrote a new script. It's called Trigger, that I'm working on with Vanessa Hope and Ted Hope. And I optioned this Liane Moriarty book. It's called the Hypnotist Love Story. And I'm working on it with my friend Deb Fisher, who's the showrunner of the first two seasons of Ginny and Georgia, which was a really good show.

[Kristin Davis]

Oh, my daughter loves this show. Yeah.

[Heather]

Yeah. So. And we have. We might turn into a movie, a TV show. We're kind of figuring it out right now. But. But I love female stories. Amazing stories with female protagonists. I love it.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay. And do you. Do you want to continue directing?

[Heather]

I do. I would love to. I mean, I love all kinds of behind the scenes. Like, I like the producing aspect. I'd like to option books. Maybe I'll do stuff where I don't direct or write or act, you know, But. But I love every aspect. I like acting, acting in it, directing, writing, producing. It's so much harder when you direct and write and produce because it's like, it can take years, and it's kind of like your baby. And then when people make different decisions that you think they shouldn't be making, it's much more of, like, a roller coaster. But it's very fun.

[Kristin Davis]

Yay.

[Heather]

You know, it's so fun to be in this business and to learn about all the, like, how much cinematography makes a huge difference, how much the editing makes a huge difference, how much the music makes a huge difference. It's just fun to learn about all that stuff.

[Kristin Davis]

Absolutely. I'm so impressed.

[Heather]

Thank you.

[Kristin Davis]

It's amazing. You're so sweet.

[Heather]

You know what, you meet people, and you are just like a very, very Very sweet, lovely person.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Sometimes I'm not. Just not here.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, why?

[Kristin Davis]

Right?

[Heather]

No, but you have, like, maybe they base the character on your true. But you have all the sweetness of shark. You know what I mean? Like, it seems like you really. It's cool because sometimes you meet people and you're like, wow, that person is a jerk.

[Kristin Davis]

100. We have all been in that moment.

[Heather]

And you're like, oh, I'm really looking forward. And then you're like, wow, that person.

[Kristin Davis]

And you're, like, so mean.

[Heather]

You know?

[Kristin Davis]

Totally. It's so scary.

[Heather]

You are lovely.

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you so much, Heather.

[Heather]

It's so fun talking to you.

[Kristin Davis]

It's really fun having you. I mean, the thing I think about Charlotte and what I love about her, I obviously love Charlotte, and we really did develop her together because she wasn't so much in the book that we based the show off of. Right. So no one.

[Heather]

She gets really deep. Like, as it goes along, you get to learn so much about her, and she's complicated and deep.

[Kristin Davis]

And I'm so thankful to the writers for that. You know, that they gave me such a gift. And Michael Patrick, especially, like, we have such a incredible relationship and know each other so well, obviously, for so long.

[Heather]

But it's really cute. Like, your properness mixed with, like, the raunchy nature of the show. It's really funny.

[Kristin Davis]

You know, I have had moments on here we had someone on, and it was an episode where we had to say the P word or something, and I didn't want to say it. And then one of the comments was like, davis seems really conflicted. And I'm like, yes, yes, I am. I am. I play Charlotte. I am conflicted. Like, I'm not against. I celebrate freedom.

[Heather]

But sometimes it's not your personality, which is adorable. Yeah, right?

[Kristin Davis]

Thank you. Thank you. You're a joy, and I can't wait.

[Heather]

To see everything you're gonna do.

[Kristin Davis]

I'm gonna go watch that.

[Heather]

I want some. Some pictures with you.

[Kristin Davis]

Let's do it.

[Heather]

Let's do it.

[Kristin Davis]

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