Andy Roddick (former professional tennis player)

Summary

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard: Andy Roddick (October 15, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Armchair Expert, Dax Shepard and co-host Monica Padman welcome former tennis world #1 and US Open champion Andy Roddick. The conversation spans Andy’s rise in tennis, the unique pressures of prodigy athletes, his relationship with competition and identity, the culture of tennis today, and insights from both his playing days and beyond. The group also explores parenthood, transitions after fame, and Roddick's current work as a podcaster.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Impressions and Personal Life (03:33–07:18)

• Andy’s Ease and Charisma: Andy is described as not just "easy on the eyes" but also on the ears (03:45).
• Home Life & Design Compromises: Andy talks about finally having his own “room” at home, acknowledging his wife’s superior taste in aesthetics and preferring to defer to her design choices.
  • “If I don't value my opinion more than I value yours, why should I get 50% of the say in what goes in this room?” – Andy Roddick (06:09)
• Austin, TX Love: Both Dax and Andy share deep affection for Austin. Andy describes “old Austin” and memories of Willie Nelson at Antone’s, reflecting on the city’s evolution (06:49).
  • “It was Willie Nelson playing Antone’s and this weird place in Texas that makes no sense compared to the rest of Texas.” – Andy Roddick (06:51)

2. Growing Up in a Competitive Household (09:14–13:05)

• Family Dynamics: Youngest of three boys; credits competitiveness and sibling hierarchy for his drive.
• Moving for Tennis: Family relocated to Florida for tennis—Andy notes the significance of moving to a tennis "epicenter," encountering future legends Venus and Serena Williams at young ages.
  • “All of a sudden I see two girls hitting on these courts... their names were Venus and Serena.” – Andy Roddick (12:03)
• Humbling Environment: Going from top of his age group in Austin to facing future superstars in Florida was a reality check.

3. Parenting, Motivation, and Balance (13:05–16:27)

• Father’s Influence: Andy’s dad, a military man and former dairy farmer, is described as tough and altruistic, not seeking recognition.
  • “He wanted no credit... completely altruistic.” – Andy Roddick (13:17)
• Tough Love and Expectations: Andy notes tennis requires early specialization and constant travel. He highlights the double life of excelling at a sport while still grappling with adolescence, peer relations, and the pressures associated.

4. Mentality and Burnout (16:27–22:35)

• High-Competition Mindset: Discussion of how elite sports require resilience, early adaptation to unusual lifestyles, and toggling between different versions of oneself.
  • “You have this shift midday every day, where... you put on your cape and all of a sudden you're good at something.” – Andy Roddick (15:10)
• Retrospective Wisdom: Andy didn’t realize at the time how formative it was to travel independently as a young teenager and how that contributed to both positives and potential damage.

5. The Serve, Physical Transformation, and High School Life (24:32–29:27)

• Origin of Andy’s Iconic Serve: The unorthodox style came from frustration in a junior match, where an angry, “irresponsible” hit led to a breakthrough (25:01).
  • “I served in a weird way out of anger and it worked.” – Andy Roddick (25:01)
• Rapid Physical Growth: Andy recounts going from 5'2" to 7 inches taller within a year, changing his position in the sport (26:54).
• High School Fame: As tennis success increased, so did popularity at school; signed a Reebok professional deal at age 17, but parents managed finances strictly.

6. Pressure, Success, and Identity (39:03–46:27)

• Relief and Responsibility After Major Wins: Andy describes the mix of relief, excitement, and the shifting expectations that come with winning the 2003 US Open.
  • “I was so dumb. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be like, the guy. And this guy Federer comes in.” – Andy Roddick (39:03)
• Comparison with Other Professions: Sports vs. entertainment—sports as crystal clear, binary results versus the more subjective, cumulative nature of entertainment (40:42).
• Living with “Second Place”: They discuss the “curse of silver” in Olympics, how silver medalists often experience less satisfaction than bronze.

7. Retirement and Life After Tennis (43:34–46:27)

• Complexity of Retirement: Andy dislikes retirement talk, noting you “retire from tennis,” not from life—he began new endeavors at 30.
  • “It's a weird thing where I get asked about a lot and it's like, oh, are you okay? Okay…” – Andy Roddick (44:06)
• Leaving the Sport: Retirement was as much about recognizing shifting goals and declining winning chances as it was about physical or emotional burnout.

8. The Evolution of Tennis and Andy’s Podcast (57:26–62:25)

• Return to Tennis (Without Consequence): Andy didn’t play tennis for fun for nearly ten years after retirement. Now enjoys playing purely for the love of the game—without stakes.
  • “I've never ever in my life… lived it without consequence.” – Andy Roddick (57:09)
• Media Career: COVID lockdowns drew him into commentary and eventually to his successful podcast Served with Andy Roddick.
• New Perspective: He now interviews legends (like Agassi) and relishes diving deep into the psychology and craft of the sport.

9. How to Grow Tennis & Sport’s Stories (63:07–71:46)

• Barriers to Tennis Popularity: Andy critiques tennis’ fragmented management—ITF, ATP, the Grand Slams all acting independently—which stifles cohesive marketing and fan engagement.
  • “Everyone agrees everything needs to be shorter. Everyone agrees these changes and no one is willing to give.” – Andy Roddick (63:07)
• Meritocracy in Tennis: Dax and Andy discuss tennis’ rare purity—any entrant can win, compared to team sports and racing.
• Tennis Storytelling: Need to spotlight WHY things happen in matches (not just what), and build human drama for fans, not just highlight the Grand Slams.

10. Notable Incidents, Media, and Social Commentary (73:26–76:27)

• Controversy: Andy describes a contentious moment with billionaire Bill Ackman, who used influence to enter a pro tournament as a publicity stunt.
  • “This is the biggest clown show I've ever seen in pro tennis.” – Andy Roddick (75:08)
• US Open Memories: He relives the 2009 Wimbledon final against Federer (who set the career Slam record) and how public reaction in defeat shifted perceptions of Andy.

11. The Later Chapters: Podcasting, Aging, and Reflection (76:27–End)

• Podcast Joy: Andy finds interviewing and analyzing others (“nerding out”) deeply rewarding; appreciates ageless camaraderie with former icons.
• Life Balance: Discussion with Dax about aging, happiness data, and the “U-shaped” happiness curve, peaking in later decades.
• Personal Growth: Both reflect on letting go of the need for relentless achievement and learning to be content.
• Austin & Asheville Love: Shared love of nature, especially Blue Ridge Mountains, as a grounding counterpoint to their public careers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sibling Dynamics and Competition:

  • "Do you remember beating your brother at tennis for the first time?" – Dax (10:26)
  • "I'm still not totally convinced that he didn't take a dive… I still haven't asked him because I don't know that I would believe anything he said." – Andy (10:32)

• On Early Tennis Ambitions:

  • "When you think they're really good, just travel a little further." – Andy Roddick (11:01)

• On Burnout and Quitting:

  • "My version of quitting was after I lost at junior Wimbledon, throw my rackets away… It was more like, I'm quitting progress. I'm quitting working towards this pro thing. It's not there." – Andy Roddick (17:58)

• On The Pressure of Being 'Productive':

  • "At the core of it all is, am I worthy of love just by existing, or do I need to be spectacular?" – Dax Shepard (19:57)

• On the Serve:

  • "Don't talk about my serve ever… I knew the cadence when it started. I knew this little three count that I had. I knew the feelings of it. I knew more than they did." – Andy Roddick (24:35)

• On Locker Room Loneliness in Tennis:

  • "Then you walk in the last day, and it's just you and one other person… It's like Squid Game… You lose, you lose." – Andy Roddick (72:42–72:58)

• On Tennis’s Meritocracy:

  • "It's the most fair… You never walk off feeling like maybe it was a bad call, but the scale of unfairness in tennis is tiny compared to almost every [sport]." – Andy Roddick (69:08)

• On Sports Greatness & Perspective:

  • "Novak, Roger, Rafa… they ruined sports for everyone else because they were so good… We're spoiled by greatness." – Andy Roddick (51:52)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:33 — Monica and Dax swoon over Andy’s charm and background.
• 06:49 — Austin, TX nostalgia and what made it special.
• 12:03 — First encounters with Venus and Serena Williams as a junior.
• 15:10 — Dual identity: school vs. sport.
• 25:01 — Roddick’s “angry serve” origin story.
• 39:03 — Emotions after winning the US Open.
• 44:02 — Complex feelings around retirement.
• 57:09 — Discovery of playing tennis again “without consequence.”
• 63:07 — Dissecting why tennis struggles to expand its fan base.
• 72:42 — The bizarre solitude of the finals-day tennis locker room.
• 75:08 — Roddick’s on-air critique of the Bill Ackman wildcard fiasco.
• 76:05 — Sharing Blue Ridge Mountain recommendations and love for the outdoors.
• 88:59–95:04 — Tangent: Monica and Dax discuss medical/fitness updates (can be skipped for main content focus).

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Tone & Flow Notes

• The episode is lively, with self-deprecating humor from all sides, and Andy matching Dax and Monica’s warmth and openness. There’s a thoughtful balance between personal vulnerability, technical tennis insights, and irreverent side stories.
• The interview is structured to appeal to both tennis fans and general listeners, with Dax openly flagging tennis jargon and asking for clarifications, keeping things accessible.
• Notably, Roddick is candid about emotional highs and lows, competition, and the post-fame search for purpose.
• Monica and Dax frequently interject with their “Armchair” style—personal anecdotes and running jokes, while also drawing out Andy’s best stories.

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Final Takeaways

Andy Roddick’s journey highlights the unique pressures and surprising rewards of elite sports, the challenge of maintaining identity post-fame, and the importance of personal growth and humility. Fans and newcomers alike will appreciate his blend of candor, humor, and thoughtful reflection—echoed by Dax and Monica’s trademark blend of empathy and curiosity.

Podcast Recommendation:
Check out Andy’s podcast, Served with Andy Roddick, for more in-depth tennis talk and athlete interviews.

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Quick Reference: Key Segments

• Growing Up Competitive: 09:14–13:05
• Origin of the Serve: 24:32–26:50
• Winning US Open: 39:03–41:46
• Retirement and Transition: 43:34–46:27
• Tennis Today & Media: 57:26–62:25
• Austin/Asheville & Nature's Pull: 75:54–76:46

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This summary captures the episode’s essential themes, personality, and unforgettable moments for both tennis fans and general listeners.

Transcript

[Dax Shepard]

Wondry plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman.

[Monica Padman]

Hi.

[Dax Shepard]

Today we have Andy Radicon and if anyone was curious who this sexy guest was, who sweat a little bit. This is it.

[Monica Padman]

He's, he was very go all the way. He's just very attractive person in general. He looks attractive, he sounds attractive and he is attractive.

[Dax Shepard]

And as it turns out, he's attractive. Yeah. I was absolutely charmed to no end by Andy.

[Andy Roddick]

I really just thought he was very.

[Monica Padman]

Easy to talk to.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, yes, yes. He's not just easy on the eyes, he's very easy on the ears. Eddie Roddick is a tennis champion, former world number one and US Open champion, three time Wimbledon finalist, and a 2017 first ballot inductee into the International Tennis hall of Fame. And he has a podcast called Served with Andy Roddick which is like the best tennis podcast out there. You can watch it on YouTube or listen wherever you get your pods. Please enjoy our new boyfriend, Andy Roddick. We are supported by Function Health. You know what's fascinating? Your body is constantly sending signals about your health. Of us only see a tiny fraction of that data. That's why I chose Function. It's the only health platform that gives you access to over a hundred biomarkers from hormones to heart health markers, all tracked in one secure place.

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[Andy Roddick]

He's an arch.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Charming.

[Monica Padman]

This is exactly.

[Andy Roddick]

Just straight to the sucking up. Waste no time.

[Dax Shepard]

I never offer this to drivers when they're in the driveway. Sure. I don't know why, but we're walking by. Hey, brother, There's a urinal in the garage if you need that. It's unlocked. And he was like, oh, okay.

[Monica Padman]

He was really holding it up.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God.

[Andy Roddick]

He was bottled up.

[Monica Padman]

He.

[Andy Roddick]

He was the laugh. He was about to break.

[Dax Shepard]

I didn't know I had that ability, but here we are.

[Monica Padman]

It's like a superpower unit.

[Andy Roddick]

That's like a good thing to say out loud to people because you don't think about it. Maybe. Like, it's kind of like a dick thing to not think about. Right?

[Dax Shepard]

And what was that guy gonna do for the next two hours?

[Monica Padman]

He's gonna cup. Yep.

[Andy Roddick]

He was gonna prove the toughness, and no one was gonna know.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

We all want that.

[Dax Shepard]

He's gonna give him to his wife, and he was gonna be like, my prostate's on fire.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, no.

[Andy Roddick]

You just saved him from the end.

[Monica Padman]

Also, you just wanted to talk about your urinal.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, I don't mind that people know I have a urinal in my garage. Does that excite you, Andy?

[Andy Roddick]

A little bit more than it should?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm gonna be honest. This is more bragging. Cause it's name droppery. But he's passed, so I can do it now. But I was once that Oz.

[Andy Roddick]

Is that the way it works?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I think so. You and I are gonna get to talk about our dads as wildly as we want to.

[Andy Roddick]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the one upside of having lost dads. Yeah. So you can really tell the truth. Yeah, but, yeah, I was one time at Ozzy Osbourne's house, and I went to use the bathroom, and there was this gorgeous black urinal in there with, like, gold fixtures. And I was like, of course.

[Andy Roddick]

That's kind of what I would want it to look like in this house. Right.

[Monica Padman]

He's really delivered.

[Dax Shepard]

That's where the obsession came. And then.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, man.

[Dax Shepard]

That was the secret, really.

[Monica Padman]

Rest in peace.

[Dax Shepard]

But at the old house, when Kristen moved in, I had a urinal in the hallway there, based on the Ozzy thing. And she was like, this is so tacky, and got rid of it. So I didn't have it, but now I have a garage, and I go, that's where the urinal's gonna live.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you have anything stupid like that at your house where you bartered with your wife?

[Monica Padman]

Good question.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, I just got, like, my first room.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you did? Ever.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. She has me trained well. I have, like, a lounger and a tv. I'm like, I made it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Killing it. This is it.

[Monica Padman]

But you're stylish, so I feel like you probably have a high standard for aesthetics.

[Andy Roddick]

It's generous.

[Dax Shepard]

I think he's mostly known for wearing.

[Monica Padman]

T shirts and shit, but it's really stylish T shirts.

[Dax Shepard]

Is that a really stylish look? Yeah, look at it.

[Andy Roddick]

This is. This is it. My wife, she's a designer, and she does all that stuff, and it's like, if I don't value my opinion more than I value your opinion, why should I get 50% of the say in what goes in this room?

[Monica Padman]

Wow, that's mature.

[Dax Shepard]

That's her stance or yours?

[Andy Roddick]

That's mine. With design. I don't trust my opinion more than yours. Why should it be valued right now in this conversation?

[Dax Shepard]

Agreed. And if we're going to talk about what power plant the car should have, maybe you defer to me.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm an idiot. Very narrow silo of we can. All of things that I can wait.

[Dax Shepard]

Got to be tennis questions pretty much.

[Andy Roddick]

So I was a dummy.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I was thrilled to learn a couple things about you today. We have some mutual loves I discovered right out of the gates. So you grew up in Austin 4 to 11.

[Andy Roddick]

I grew up there and then went back. So I've been there 25 years.

[Dax Shepard]

The day after you won the U.S. correct.

[Andy Roddick]

Jesus.

[Dax Shepard]

Right? Yeah. Flew down there and bought a house immediately.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So I have that same crazy love affair with Austin.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What was it like growing up there?

[Andy Roddick]

It was different than it is now. There weren't 60 story pre sold commercial buildings. It was Willie Nelson playing Antones and this weird place in Texas that makes no sense compared to the rest of Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great. You know, we moved from Nebraska. Most of my formative memories are probably from Austin. And your parents move you around and then when you have your own decision to make. I went back there.

[Dax Shepard]

What part of Austin were you in?

[Andy Roddick]

Well, it used to be kind of the outskirts, and then it became, I guess the main skirts.

[Dax Shepard]

Like Wesley.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, exactly. The hills out there. Good guess.

[Monica Padman]

You knew that. Speaking of people who have passed sadly, Robert Redford Pass. And I almost sent this to you. Apparently he loved Barton Springs.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, no way.

[Andy Roddick]

Springs is cool.

[Dax Shepard]

That's my temple.

[Andy Roddick]

It's amazing, the whole town lake situation right off of downtown. You can be crunchy and you can be downtown in like four minutes.

[Dax Shepard]

If I go there for a week, my commitment is like, I go to Barton Springs every day. Got to go every day. But I just recently discovered going at night. I guess I didn't realize it was open at night. So the notion that you can float in the Springs and be looking at the lit up city, that feels impossible.

[Andy Roddick]

Do you like it so much that if you take someone and they don't love it as much as you, you're.

[Dax Shepard]

Disappointed, then they're out.

[Andy Roddick]

No, they're not.

[Monica Padman]

I'm still here.

[Dax Shepard]

But my financial security is tied to you, so you have a lot of leverage.

[Andy Roddick]

There are exceptions.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah, but did you not. I mean, she got booted. She got thrown out.

[Andy Roddick]

You got thrown out. She got 86. Is that possible? Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

They don't let you bring in any food, by the way. It wasn't just me. It was a bunch of us.

[Dax Shepard]

It was a black mark on my reputation there.

[Monica Padman]

I know. You distance yourself from us so fast.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, no, you can. Her mistakes can't become yours. And vice versa.

[Monica Padman]

Jeez, it's insane. Snacks. And this Australian woman who runs the place very well for that month.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll just add the turnover there is very high.

[Monica Padman]

She lit into us and she was like, you got to go. And we were like, well, we'll just put it in the car.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, so it wasn't like a water bottle through TSA where it's. You just got to go back and start again. This was like, no, she was like, you were done.

[Monica Padman]

Can't come back. Take your food and get the out.

[Dax Shepard]

We hate you.

[Andy Roddick]

Did she actually say that?

[Monica Padman]

That actually is history.

[Dax Shepard]

This is funny because we got in a fight about.

[Andy Roddick]

I mean, because an Aussie saying that. Kind of funny.

[Dax Shepard]

It's kind of funny. And then it can.

[Andy Roddick]

It's funnier when they cuss.

[Monica Padman]

Well, also we were just like, there's a very easy solution. We'll just put it away. We'll just remove the food. Nope, Already saw it. Already saw it.

[Andy Roddick]

To be fair, you had just proven that you weren't to be trusted, I.

[Monica Padman]

Guess with the cheese. I'm a very trustworthy person. I just love cheez.

[Dax Shepard]

Its okay, so you grew up there and then you're the youngest of three boys. Do you think you would have ever been a professional athlete without competing with two people that are way older than you? And not just in tennis, just the whole ride.

[Andy Roddick]

I always thought about it because my middle brother played tennis and was good at tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

So I like the way that you frame that because I normally thought about it. I had this exposure to tennis at like a really high level. So I think I gave a lot of credit to that as opposed to just the basic structure of you're fighting uphill the whole way. So then when you get to neutral, it feels like you're downhill. I think I was a little bit of a whoopsie. My oldest brother was going to college when I was going to preschool.

[Dax Shepard]

No.

[Andy Roddick]

So it's like we didn't even live in the same place. My next brother was six years older, which even worse in sports is like an eternity. We kind of had the same thing and you know, the rankings told a story that I wasn't horrible, but it was. You weren't him. Luckily for us, it flipped one summer very quickly. You know, he was a four time all American at Georgia and played well and was one of the top juniors in the world. And then one summer he's drilling me when he comes home from school the next summer it flips.

[Monica Padman]

Wait, at University of Georgia.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That's where I went.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, really?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You could have even been now.

[Andy Roddick]

Now. He was born in 76.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Barely missed each.

[Andy Roddick]

Just barely miss each other by a decade.

[Dax Shepard]

He's been retired for 25 years. Do you remember beating your brother at tennis for the first time?

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. And I'm still not totally convinced that he didn't take a dive. Oh, it's where he was leaving college. He was pretty sure he didn't want to try tours. So the benefit to me was way more than the benefit to him. I still haven't asked him about it because I don't know that I would believe anything he said.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't think he did. I Don't think you can.

[Monica Padman]

He did eat.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't nobody. He's not Jesus. He might be a great dude, but I don't think he's like, from another planet.

[Andy Roddick]

I was excited because then I knew when my mom was like, well, look at your brother. I'm like, that bum. The guy who sucks now the has been.

[Dax Shepard]

I just mopped the court with.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, but did it cause any friction between you two? Not at all.

[Dax Shepard]

I think the age gap so big.

[Andy Roddick]

So big that like, you basically just ignore each other. There was no sibling rivalry because it was just he was here and it was here and then he was gone and I was home. I probably annoyed him at a certain point, you know, when you're 8 and 14 or something. But once you get older, there's no day to day orbit and friction. At least in my experience.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll just say I bring up your brothers because you guys moved to Florida for your middle brother to pursue his tennis career. Were you bummed to move to Florida?

[Andy Roddick]

I honestly don't remember. That's a little misleading. He was good. I was one of the top in the country in my age division. So it wasn't as if we moved there and I started playing tennis. It was pretty established.

[Dax Shepard]

But you were only 11.

[Andy Roddick]

I was 10. I think it was new and exciting. I mean, imagine this. You all have probably experienced it at some point. You've had this crazy growth trajectory factory. But we landed, I'm 10, and at that point in Austin, I was 9, beating 16 year olds. So I was number one in the city and 16 and unders. And I always tell people with athletic children, when you think they're really good, just travel a little further.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, right.

[Andy Roddick]

So we get to Florida and all of a sudden I see two girls hitting on these courts down at the end. Their names were Venus and Serena.

[Monica Padman]

Stop it.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow. How old were they?

[Andy Roddick]

Serena's about my age and Venus is, you know, two years older. Oh, wow. And so three years of our existence after we moved to Florida was like, you think you're good, right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

And then you see, I get goosebumps talking about, like, Jennifer Capriotti was there, who won majors and made the final semis of the US Open. She was like 13.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you've now moved to the epicenter of tennis.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, you see like pro players and it's going, oh, I thought it was okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

And now I suck again. Parts of that are exciting, parts of that are scary.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I bet that's the first round of caving that's on the table. Like, that could be overwhelming and you could give up.

[Andy Roddick]

Like, getting beat and just going to work the next morning is like a superpower. It's like an undervalued skill. You know, you could be sad and work and so like, I've always been okay with that balance and I've failed many, many times. But that part was cool where you arrive and it's like, this is where the next 20 years of tennis is getting made. I even realized that at a young age. So that part was exciting. But, you know, you miss people and things.

[Dax Shepard]

So your dad grew up working on a dairy farm. He was in the military. He ran a Jiffy Lube. He's a tough dude. Yeah. Where does he rank in these parents of child athletes? You hear these kind of stories.

[Andy Roddick]

He was very tough. But also most of the parents of the child athletes want to be noticed and want credit. He wanted no credit. Oh, they never sat in my player box, were never visible on TV until the cameras like found them, like crouching in some random part of the stadium. So differentiated in that it was completely altruistic.

[Dax Shepard]

It wasn't his own glory he was seeking.

[Andy Roddick]

No, I fully believe that. But it was like, this is a choice. This is an opportunity. You don't have to do it. If you do it, we're gonna do it. This isn't like a half assed type thing. And it was military that way. And anything that I was doing was not hard compared to him running a farm when he was 12 or 13 years old. So the base comp for any conversation we started wasn't good for me, you know, so he was hard.

[Dax Shepard]

Where was it productive and useful? What aspects of it do you have a lot of gratitude for? And which ones were probably not helpful?

[Andy Roddick]

Probably the same. It's just a matter of if you get through. Tennis is weird. You should not have kids playing nine hours a day when you're 8 or 9 years old. Tennis is of the sports that that has to happen, right. You don't have stories in tennis where it's like, it's a random reference, but I remember a guy who got drafted number one in the NBA, Michael Olandi. Like, he started playing basketball freshman year of college.

[Dax Shepard]

Rodman started like 21 years old.

[Andy Roddick]

That story doesn't exist in tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

You guys are more like symphony musicians.

[Andy Roddick]

It's like this weird thing and you have to get used to this kind of lifestyle training thing before you are old enough to realize it's weird. I was pretty aware. I went to normal Schools. It was this weird divide between. No one at my school knew that I could do this thing. And so you're dealing with every little issue that every kid has, whether it's not fitting in or this, that.

[Dax Shepard]

And the other girl doesn't like you.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. Someone's little brother trying to kick the out of you.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, he just found out he's strong.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. And then all of a sudden, two o' clock hits and you go to practice and all of a sudden you're elite at something.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And you're valued.

[Andy Roddick]

And so you have like this shift midday every day, where it's like you put on your cape and then all of a sudden you're good at something.

[Dax Shepard]

Great. Well, I would imagine that would make most people pretty dualistic or arrogant.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, I think.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I just think you really get used to having multiple identities in different spaces and there's like a quarter between these. And when you go to school, you can't bring your cockiness from the court.

[Andy Roddick]

You shouldn't.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, people probably do.

[Dax Shepard]

It won't go well.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Minimally, I would imagine you get pretty well versed in kind of snapping back and forth to two versions of yourself. Maybe that feels too self indulgent for you.

[Andy Roddick]

No, Definitely didn't realize it in the moment. You're shy when you're at school, unless you're playing a sport or something. And then you kind of get a little cocky to your point.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

You know, but I've realized the value of different places, different things at different moments. The value of Traveling when you're 13 to Kali, Columbia by yourself or going to Hong Kong. I don't know that I realized how weird that was. But also, as I get older, the value of that, if it doesn't go completely sideways. And I think that's a razor's edge. There's a million people in tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

They did all that, and it really.

[Andy Roddick]

Didn'T yield anything besides maybe damage of having done that stuff or like, there's a lot of issues. So I think if you get to the other side of it, it's great. Where you're actually pragmatic enough and you feel like your cup is full enough to look backwards and say, that was really good for me. And I don't know that that's a one size fits all thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you follow F1 at all?

[Andy Roddick]

Not really.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, well, Max Verstappen, the four timer.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dax Shepard]

His dad famously, on the way home from the track, pulled over a gas station, was like, get out. You're Walking home because you didn't go for that pass in the turn and you had it. I mean, just brutal. Now, the fact that he's a four time world champion, you're like, okay, well.

[Monica Padman]

Tiger, Serena and Venus, I mean, you hear all the stories and.

[Dax Shepard]

But we never talk about the ones where it's like, well, they never even got there. Annie left your fucking kid at the gas.

[Andy Roddick]

She was like, oh, yeah, no, that.

[Monica Padman]

Kid might be dead now.

[Andy Roddick]

I remember. And she never lets me forget it. I remember playing Serena in like a practice match. And they were famous for, we're not going to play junior tennis tournaments. And we're all like, how do you learn how to compete? You can see how good they are. And also, this will never work. Idiots, right? And so we would play. You know, I was the best kid. And Serena at that point was like, she is now. She's an absolute beautiful physical specimen. She is absolutely amazing. Yeah, totally. So we're playing and her dad are the coaches at the academy. They're all in on this program with these two, it's like, okay, I guess so. We'll see if it works. It worked, but like having kids from the academy surround the court and cheer against them.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

She didn't say this. You see her go over and you're looking and she's like, fudge you.

[Dax Shepard]

It's fueling if it works.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Andy Roddick]

I don't know that there's neutral.

[Monica Padman]

Are you born with the disposition or is it made? That's sort of my question.

[Andy Roddick]

Again, I don't think it's absolute.

[Dax Shepard]

I think, like, everything. It's not binary.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Some combination.

[Andy Roddick]

If you time it when you're ready, you could be ready at 12 and not ready at 9.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you tried to quit at 16.

[Andy Roddick]

This is going to sound arrogant. This isn't real for most people. And I understand, it's insane. My version of quitting was after I lost a junior Wimbledon, throw my rackets away. I knew at that point I could go to any college of my choice on a full ride. So I wasn't quitting that. It was more like, I'm quitting progress. I'm quitting working towards this pro thing. It's not there.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm gonna go to Georgia and be a stud.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm gonna dominate keggers and courts. That's what we're gonna do. I know my brother had the most fun of any person that's ever gone to Georgia. The story gets told in my version of quitting is like, I left my rack as An England. Nothing's a straight line.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

There are levels to stuff. I knew that I could go anywhere, to college. I knew I could play. And that wasn't a cocky or arrogant thing to say. That was true. There were offers. But also, it's like you have this comfortable thing that is going to be awesome. You know, life is going to be great until you're like 22 or 23, and it's going to be fantastic. And you can train or not train, but there's that choice to kind of go past what you can be content with. That's a hard thing.

[Dax Shepard]

You're going to have to have another whole round of misery. You've been suffering to get to this level, but to get to that level, there'll be more suffering. You're signing up for more suffering.

[Andy Roddick]

Isn't that everything, though? Yeah, it's not tennis specific. No, that's just like. You don't feel content. You want to keep going and building and there's a next interesting conversation. There's something you haven't touched on. There's always something right for me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

That's his hit.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yes. I am getting to the age. Really, I am. I'm eight years older than you. I think I'm just starting to feel like, yeah, we did a lot this lifetime and we did enough.

[Andy Roddick]

If you didn't do enough for six months, would you still feel that way?

[Dax Shepard]

That's the fear. But I will say I had a lot of practice as a struggling actor. So for eight years, I never got any work. Yeah. So I got pretty good at learning how to exist with like, no problem.

[Monica Padman]

No, you didn't. You were a drug addict.

[Dax Shepard]

I was a drug addict. I'm drunk.

[Andy Roddick]

But I enjoy going to the movies.

[Dax Shepard]

I like exercise. I like bike riding. I like working on shit. I'm very content not doing that. I could be wrong, but I have a different mindset for sure than I had at 42.

[Andy Roddick]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And I can just feel it and I'm welcoming it. I like it.

[Andy Roddick]

Did you used to have guilt about it?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, tremendous. I think at the core of it all is, am I worthy of love just by existing or do I need to be spectacular?

[Andy Roddick]

I understand.

[Dax Shepard]

So my story, my whole life, is I have to be spectacular to be loved by everyone. And I'm approaching a zone where I'm like, no, I think I can just exist and people will love me. And so that's an interesting thing to unplug from.

[Monica Padman]

But what about day to day purpose?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I have two kids. Is my Purpose. You know, I get up and drive them to school, and I'm very involved.

[Andy Roddick]

Okay, so then you drive them to school and then the hours. Where's the purpose meter? Between eight and four.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm pretty involved with helping dudes that are getting sober. I have a lot of things.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Don't you think, though? And maybe I'm wrong. I don't have kids, but I feel like if you are your parents. Sole purpose, that's tough.

[Dax Shepard]

If they feel the weight of that.

[Andy Roddick]

Our kids probably feel like they're our sole purpose, not knowing what we do when they go to. Like, you have an entire work life.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Andy Roddick]

But I do think it's important we're happy. And I'm sure you are, too, that your parents actually see you working. That might matter.

[Dax Shepard]

And the moms still wants to work for a while, so they'll see plenty of work. Here's what it is. Andy, you have been given this enormous gift. I've been given this enormous gift. I could explore the world and I could figure out what purposes other than being productive. I have that opportunity, and I feel like it would be very dishonoring to that insane amount of luck I've had to not challenge myself to find out what else is there in life other than being productive and accomplishing things and being spectacular. To me, it's a challenge in its own right. It is purpose in its own right. Can I unplug from the production Fucking hamster wheel in the growing and growing and growing and explore and listen and be a part of the planet.

[Andy Roddick]

Have you not done that at all?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, I have windows of that by choice. By choice, do you mean, like, do I take breaks and stuff?

[Andy Roddick]

Meaning people's journeys aren't the same. I was away from tennis for nine, 10 years right before I wasn't. I had that beat to where now I feel the opposite of you. I feel refreshed. You feel like you're gaining on something. You feel like you're going.

[Dax Shepard]

But, Andy, also. We started this podcast when I was exactly your age. I directed a movie. It didn't work out. I was completely depressed. I sat around for six months, and then I was like, okay, I need a whole new racket, and I want to throw myself at it and I want to build something again. And it happened. I don't know. We'll check in at 50.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I'm more just fascinated about the process of it.

[Monica Padman]

Interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Back to you.

[Monica Padman]

It is about you. Because this is on Your horizon as well. You have these decisions.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, I'm just fascinated. I mean, it starts and stops and people normally think they need agreement. I'm more fascinated about what I don't know yet.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Huh. Okay. So you have this meteoric rise in tennis. You're a lot bigger. Forgive me. Neither of us know much about tennis. I just don't own that right now. And I'm also going to ask you to go through some things that you would imagine everyone knows.

[Andy Roddick]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

But I don't know that our audience knows. You're a lot bigger than the tennis players I've met. You're kind of abnormally big.

[Andy Roddick]

Not in tennis anymore. I present more as like a fullback than a skinnier person.

[Dax Shepard]

But you're like six two.

[Andy Roddick]

I always say I'm like a tennis player that was born in Nebraska. They're big now, though. Like, Rafa's an animal. They're all huge now. That's the thing that's changed.

[Dax Shepard]

The conditioning has changed.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, we used to have a skill and now you can't have that skill without being insanely athletic. So now you're seeing like, Alcaraz and.

[Dax Shepard]

His body's like UFC fighter.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, he explodes. And Sinner's six foot five and he's like a skier. The athleticism of tennis has completely changed in the last 25 years.

[Dax Shepard]

All sports F1 drivers are now like, like peak athletes. They weren't. They drove a car. The only place I'm seeing because I watch all these Sports Doc series because I do love them, even if I don't like the sport. I don't like golf. You get away with just having a normal dad bot.

[Andy Roddick]

No, I mean, you look at like a McElroy. These guys are like human rubber bands. Used to kind of be. What was the quote? How be Gilmore? Plaid pants and a huge ass. It's younger and younger and these guys are swinging violently. It's changed a little bit. Tiger. Changed a lot of it.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Because he looked and presented like an athlete. So therefore every kid that wanted to watch him now looks and presents like an athlete. That's the thing with sports, man. Anybody who comes in here and says their generation walked uphill both ways is completely self indulgent and full of.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, okay, so but with your height, that has to be a part of your serve. Right? Because the crazy part about your game was you had this insane serve. Yeah, I like this detail of it. You had numerous different coaches over the years. And I do want to talk about that. I want to know how One, you got to break up with someone and hire someone. That's got to be a very stressful part of the experience. But as you hired coaches, your whole game was on the table, except for the serve. The serve was to not be talked about, is that right?

[Andy Roddick]

It was to not be talked about.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you superstitious about the serve?

[Andy Roddick]

No, I just knew it backwards. I knew the cadence when it started. I knew this little three count that I had. I knew the feelings of it. I knew more than they did. I don't say that lightly because we'll get to the coaches. And I was obviously always in pursuit of something new, something different, something additive. And also, don't talk about my serve ever.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Is the origin of it true that you got really frustrated at like 16 and you served in a weird way out of anger and it worked?

[Andy Roddick]

Is that true?

[Dax Shepard]

That's true.

[Andy Roddick]

I was playing my friend Marty Fish, who ended up being a really good player. He was six in the world, basically all the kids who didn't get picked by the Federation. Right. So the people not funded by US tennis anymore, kind of the throwaways. We played at Crystal Palms apartment complex in Florida, and there were like six of us. And out of that group, a couple of us made top five, top six in the world. But I was playing against Marty, who's really, really good, and at that point better and just got pissed off. And I have like this little half motion aborted tears, but it's not conventional. Hit one irresponsibly out of anger, and it went in.

[Dax Shepard]

Which, by the way, is the thing they tell you to never do anything, right? Don't try to kill it, don't try to crush it. And you did. You're like, I'm going to fucking murder this ball because I hate it.

[Andy Roddick]

And that was it. Had I been doing well with Marty that day, I wouldn't be here having this conversation.

[Dax Shepard]

Crazy. And how do you, like, when you recognize it clicked? Do you then think, okay, how do I commit this whole thing to muscle memory? Like, I gotta replicate you just over and over again.

[Andy Roddick]

You do it just started doing it.

[Dax Shepard]

And you didn't know. Have to overthink it.

[Andy Roddick]

It was immediately. Well, a lot of the muscles build it. Like your shoulder still goes over. It's just your feet was different, but there was no time. And there were some other things that needed to be adjusted. But yeah, I mean, you literally figured it out. And then the year before, you're 40 or 50 in the world in juniors, which sounds good, but that means you're going to college. And then four months later it was. You were number one in Florida and signed a rebu deal over pro.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So when you went to bed that night after discovering the serve, did you think it's replicatable? That wasn't a one off?

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, I mean it was not the way a tennis player should look. It was violent. And so the conversation became, it'll work, but for how long?

[Dax Shepard]

He's gonna destroy his shoulder. Destroy it.

[Andy Roddick]

It's like a 12 year old throwing a curveball. I knew I had it.

[Dax Shepard]

But you were wondering for how long.

[Andy Roddick]

I was like, let's just rip it though.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, good for you.

[Andy Roddick]

But do you have to? Yeah, kinda.

[Dax Shepard]

I just feel like if I was you and I have been pursuing this thing nine hours a day for the last nine years, I feel like I would have gone to bed that night, been like, like, oh, wow, we're about to enter a whole new.

[Andy Roddick]

It's weird too because going into sophomore year of high school, I was five to 110 pounds.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, Jesus.

[Andy Roddick]

I grew seven inches that year. And then six months after that I discovered the serve. So all of a sudden I go from like this tiny little guy who just annoyed people forever, you know, that was like my style to having this thing. You go from like Ichiro to Bonds quickly, Right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. How exciting? Were you cool in school? What was the high school experience like?

[Andy Roddick]

Like, the better I got at tennis, I became cooler. Everyone had a local paper, so people started learning. Yeah. So then I started. But no, not really.

[Monica Padman]

Not even local celebrity. You were becoming a.

[Andy Roddick]

It was weird because what we talked about earlier, with the separation with church and state, with school versus this other thing, it changed. You sign a contract, people know what you sign for.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

You know, I remember the first time I played. There's a tournament in Miami, 1000, which is like just less than a Grand slam win. My first match, so I'm 17, beat a guy top 40, which was like unheard of. And then I'm second round Andre Agassi, who is number one in the world at the time, my idol. 17,000 people obviously lost, but then went to school the next day after playing Agassi in high school. So that like weird trade off was.

[Dax Shepard]

Like also how much money were you winning back then?

[Andy Roddick]

That deal I signed, it was incentive based, but the base was 400000 a year. Okay, okay. Immediately.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so this is the other school. Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

And then it was like all bonus based.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right.

[Andy Roddick]

So your prize money equals an incentivized contract along the way as well.

[Dax Shepard]

With your endorsement deals.

[Andy Roddick]

Correct.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so how does a 17 year old comprehend, like, we're gonna make a million bucks this year? Is that part super exciting or were your parents somehow trying to shelter you from that reality?

[Andy Roddick]

Probably both. I knew enough.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you allowed to go buy a stupid car in high school or anything?

[Andy Roddick]

No, I bought a sound system. Like, what a douchebag.

[Monica Padman]

That's a high school thing to buy.

[Dax Shepard]

I regret these things. That's Exactly.

[Andy Roddick]

I made 3200 bucks for losing in my first pro event. Loud was loud. Going into the parking lot the week later. Just such a.

[Dax Shepard]

You have to love that about your.

[Monica Padman]

I'm impressed. You could keep your eye on the tennis prize. I bet the girls were just.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I bet the girls were all afloat.

[Andy Roddick]

They were a flutter.

[Monica Padman]

Of course they were. Not only you're a stud, you're a stud and you're famous and you have a talent.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, the best sound system in the high school parking lot.

[Andy Roddick]

I think you're underselling the sound system.

[Dax Shepard]

I know that turns.

[Monica Padman]

Let's add that back in.

[Dax Shepard]

What was it? Sound system in what kind of vehicle?

[Andy Roddick]

It was an old Chevy Blazer.

[Dax Shepard]

Great.

[Andy Roddick]

You could put a lot of sweat.

[Dax Shepard]

12 inch kicker box.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. The speakers couldn't take it, obviously. So it's just broken cloth seat. It smelled like a hockey locker room. It was terrible. It was not the one.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow. So. Yeah. Rich in high school. That's such a.

[Andy Roddick]

It's not like I had it. I knew it was there at some point, but it wasn't as if, like I went to a bank account and could go.

[Dax Shepard]

That's all I do.

[Andy Roddick]

Spend a hundred thousand dollars. I didn't have access to it. It's not the same. It's like liquidity versus net worth. But you can't buy coffee with net worth.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So the parents were keeping you in check.

[Andy Roddick]

You asked about my dad. He was very strict on the financial part of it.

[Dax Shepard]

Could be a short ride, you gotta save.

[Andy Roddick]

Not even a short ride. Just. Why wouldn't you be responsible? He was actually probably doing that because he thought it would be a long ride. I think it was probably the opposite. So he was very overbearing with that stuff. Like he wore my first agent out. Out to the point where, like, I would have other coaches. And it was like, well, your dad called me. I go, don't answer.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, your agent, who you loved to death, what was his name?

[Andy Roddick]

Ken Meyerson.

[Dax Shepard]

He ran interception for you? A bit. He took a little bit of the Stress of the father son relationship out of the equation completely. That's kind of telling. Because he had too much to say too often.

[Andy Roddick]

My dad.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Just has a control issue.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, control.

[Andy Roddick]

I don't want this to become this weird representation. My parents got married, they lived in a train. He did every single thing in his ability. All the stories we're telling was because he didn't leave an hour of work on the table. He never asked me to do one thing that he hadn't been willing to do in his life, which I think gives it an element of credibility. But definitely wanted his voice in the room.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Andy Roddick]

Not in front of the tv. Didn't want credit. Didn't want to be recognized. Didn't want anyone outside of this circle of four or five people. These four or five people were going to know that he existed and no one else would.

[Monica Padman]

That you were his. Is that a piece of it?

[Andy Roddick]

I think just overly protective. Maybe like a fear based type control thing.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

And then I think it's weird. You get to certain levels and we talk about high school and then you play the US Open and then you're on night matches and then you win it and then you do all these things. And I think it was hard for him once I was a complete adult.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, Right.

[Andy Roddick]

Like he would tell me to clean my room. I'm like, dad, you came to stay at my house. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

He came to see you in Austin. And he was all rung up about it being a mess.

[Andy Roddick]

We were just pissing on fire hydrants. He's like, your room's a mess. I'm like, I'm number one in the world.

[Monica Padman]

World.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

I don't care. I don't. Mispractice. Maybe misguided at times, but I don't think ever for the wrong intention.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. I can feel the hesitation. You would never want to say anything disparaging, but it's like, I love my wife. She's flawed. As we have a great relationship. It has many challenges.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It's totally fine if things are also complicated.

[Andy Roddick]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

It doesn't make her a bad person that she leaves the cupboards open non stop. She's still a great person that she can't put a cap on a jar.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dax Shepard]

I grab my pills, they all blow. I'm like, none of these caps are on toothpaste. It's so simple. It's right there.

[Andy Roddick]

I don't want crusty ass toothpaste after you. Like, can I borrow some? No, you can't. Because then that's a goner.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. How about this? You can borrow anything, but you have to put it back.

[Andy Roddick]

Every time you use my toothpaste, I end up in the car driving somewhere.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And then I'm made fun of because I order like 15 toothpastes from Amazon. She's like, we don't need them. And we do.

[Andy Roddick]

See, she's good now because she'll hear me about it and then she's going to be furious because she actually buys like the 20. She, the backup, everything. So I'm telling stories. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

Yeah, like when you left one of your dogs when you went traveling, you probably had guilt.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

That's so massive. The serve is described in many of the things I was reading as unreturnable.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, to most, except for the Avengers that came on the way through career. But I wasn't a natural tennis player. I was like a world poor guy. But I could throw it. That was it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. Like I could make Your life uncomfortable for a little bit.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so you win the 2003 U.S. open. You are.

[Monica Padman]

I'm dying to go to the U.S. open. No one will invite me.

[Andy Roddick]

Let's do it whenever.

[Dax Shepard]

You just have to be a guest on this podcast and then.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, great. Invite me.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you have to, you know, earn your way.

[Andy Roddick]

You don't even. You don't even have to do that.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I want to go very easy. I know why you want.

[Monica Padman]

I want to try that honey juice.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, That's a cocktail.

[Andy Roddick]

They basically invented a signature cocktail like, that everyone pretends like has been around for 100 years. Years. Like a mint jewel put in like eight years ago. Have you had a H the US opens? Like, no, cuz they didn't have when I was playing. It's a madeup thing.

[Dax Shepard]

What's in it?

[Andy Roddick]

It's genius, though.

[Monica Padman]

I don't know. I never.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you got to buy it to find out.

[Andy Roddick]

No. Little shamboard. Lemonade, Grey Goose and Sprite.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, I want that.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll make you one and serve it.

[Monica Padman]

On the fact US Open.

[Andy Roddick]

She wants to overpay for it.

[Monica Padman]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

You can't imagine how well you know her. You literally know everything you need to know about Monico.

[Andy Roddick]

It doesn't taste as good. You don't pay $28 for it.

[Dax Shepard]

Nah.

[Monica Padman]

And if it doesn't. There. Yeah, that's really cool.

[Andy Roddick]

My favorite thing about that is they have the honeydew cups that have all the winners on them. It's like, oh, my God. I know. I paid $30, but I got a free cup. It's worth 75 cents. So I won.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, I want that. I want that.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm going to do that.

[Monica Padman]

I'm going to do that.

[Dax Shepard]

I save thousands by getting this.

[Monica Padman]

But also, the US Open's gotten so cool. Everyone goes.

[Dax Shepard]

It's definitely a social event.

[Monica Padman]

It's the Met Ball Ball.

[Andy Roddick]

It's the Met Ball of sports.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I do really, really want to go. I need to learn a little bit.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm trying to decide if I should ruin your day.

[Monica Padman]

What?

[Dax Shepard]

I got invited this year to go sit in the GM box.

[Andy Roddick]

It's cool.

[Dax Shepard]

But it was the Emmys. No, there's something else important. Yeah. We had been on time.

[Andy Roddick]

It's worth seeing.

[Monica Padman]

I gotta do more social media stuff. I have a lot to work on.

[Andy Roddick]

It's theater now for sure.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

You win that 2003, you're 23.

[Andy Roddick]

No, I turned 21 during the tournament.

[Dax Shepard]

What are the emotions that follow it there's obviously probably relief.

[Andy Roddick]

I felt a lot more relief towards the end of my career when I won matches. I was so dumb. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be like, the guy. And this guy Federer comes in. I used to get bribed with US Open for my mom for a good report card. Like, I went when I was 9, and she would just weirdly let me walk around all day by myself. I would sneak into the players lounges, bore you to tears. But I saw Jimmy Connors make a run when he was 40 to the semis. He had the crowd in his hand. It was like a live rock show, right? He would go like this, and everyone would get up. I'm going, tennis can do this.

[Dax Shepard]

Stand up.

[Andy Roddick]

Crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

I was like, he's controlling the mood of grown people.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, it is interesting to observe human power when you're little.

[Andy Roddick]

Absurd. I remember flying over it, and at that point, Mayor Dinkins then changed the flight pattern so that you didn't get the noise over the stadium. But I remember flying right over the middle of the stadium when I was 9. It was 1am or something irresponsible. And it was packed. It was Connors versus Patrick McInter. And I remember being like, I cannot believe how late it is in what we just flew over.

[Dax Shepard]

They're still playing.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, my God. I was blown away. So then 12 years later, you have that moment where it's like, that's it. No matter what happens and not much happened, but no matter what happens from there, that's that.

[Dax Shepard]

You did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

People can't take away what you did.

[Dax Shepard]

I think you have to come to that. I don't think that's human nature. I did it. It can't be taken from me because I have had many successes, and then after failures, I really can't access the notion that I had done the other thing.

[Andy Roddick]

Does that make sense between sports and entertainment?

[Dax Shepard]

Maybe, yeah. Like, a trophy is so definitive. I guess it's number one. You want it?

[Monica Padman]

It's also, each match is individual. Where I feel like entertainment's more cumulative.

[Andy Roddick]

The difference is, I'm guessing I don't want to tell you about your business, but I'll tell you about, like, ours. You win the US Open, you know what that is. You can finish a project and other people are going to define what that is, and you're not going to know.

[Dax Shepard]

For a year or even the quantifiable aspect. It might make 180. And you're like, wow, that's the big comedy and then another movie comes around, makes 225 in a month. And that's like, oh, we forgot that that other movie made one.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. If someone wins the US Open last week or wins at 20, it's kind of like the same thing. I had a hard time. Less to do with, like that U.S. open win, because that was just fun. Good time. You're like hosting SNL and you thought.

[Dax Shepard]

It was the beginning of something.

[Andy Roddick]

You think it's going to happen a lot.

[Monica Padman]

Lot.

[Andy Roddick]

I would lose a Wimbledon final after that.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

And it was like, you failure. And now I can go, okay, there's 128 men and women, so 256 each vying for this thing. You have a two week race, you come in second with like, Earth. Some jackass can define that as a failure. I bought into it for a very, very long time.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Right.

[Andy Roddick]

And so now it's like, okay, the way people perceive me would be different had I won two more points at Wimbledon, one of seven times. But it doesn't really change the day to day, like, what a Tuesday would look like at all, I don't think.

[Monica Padman]

I guess that's what you're saying. Saying is that's healthy, what you're saying. And some people never get there.

[Dax Shepard]

It took a lot of work. For me, it's an ongoing thing to work through the experience of having mass relevance and then have fading relevance and then maybe get another spike of mass relevance. I mean, I was struggling with it so much that I asked Sean White to go out to breakfast with me. And I'm like, how did you navigate these periods where just like when you win the Olympics, the Olympics is a.

[Andy Roddick]

Whole nother thing, because it's like your four years, top of the mountain. Then like a year later, it's like, okay, I have three years. I'm curious about that conversation. That's brutal because I've heard Phelps talk about that. He goes, I'd win the Olympics, I would get all these medals, and then I would be depressed.

[Dax Shepard]

You're on every talk show.

[Andy Roddick]

It's the opposite of what you would think.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Monica Padman]

And the rest of the world plays along, plays along. Because when someone's number one for too long, they want to see that upended.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, there's also a reason why you can't say everyone. But the narrative you hear most, with musicians, with actors, entertainers, there's sports is when you're going after something, they always say, that was the time. Yeah, that was the best time of our career. Looking back, building, pursuing, having those Things where there's no. I think expectation is the hardest thing in sports. People talk about doing it. I think keeping it to your point is like another level and something that I couldn't do. It's another piece where you have to almost be like a complete psychopath.

[Dax Shepard]

You always got a reset daily.

[Andy Roddick]

It's not even just a big reset. It's like, I have to wake up. You know, Novak has been doing this for 20 years. Where he's. Djokovic is like, I haven't had a piece of chocolate in 20 years. I eat lemon water when I wake up. That's hard to do for a day. We could cleanse for five days, and we want to throw a parade.

[Monica Padman]

You need to be a Buddhist to get through it. But I don't think you can be a Buddhist in order to get it. That's like this weird catch 22.

[Andy Roddick]

It is.

[Dax Shepard]

You have to keep it right size, but in order to be the best, it can't be right size. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

So you can have it all, just not at the same time.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right, right, right.

[Monica Padman]

That's true.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so the email I got from your publicist and then in this great GQ article I read with you, it was really, really good.

[Monica Padman]

Great article.

[Dax Shepard]

Both people are like, doesn't really want to talk about retiring. It was, like, present in the article, and it was present in this. And that's just a curiosity of mine. What part of it don't you like talking about? Or is there any part you don't like talking about?

[Andy Roddick]

Well, imagine you have to announce your retirement from the five things that you do individually.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Makes no sense.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

I retire from tennis. That doesn't mean I retire from life. There's a million other things.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Right.

[Andy Roddick]

So it's like, you retired at 30. It's like, no, I started other shit.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right.

[Andy Roddick]

It's a weird thing where I get asked about a lot and it's like, oh, are you okay? Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Here was my primary guess. Yeah. Was I would hate it because I hate being pitied. There's nothing I would hate more than, like, knowing someone pities me or feels bad for me.

[Andy Roddick]

No, I don't think that was it. I think it was. I was 30 when I retired. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

From tennis.

[Andy Roddick]

And so it's hard to define people kind of almost digesting as, like, life ending at 30. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I'm very sad. This is my thing. This is the thing I'm in love with. This is my first Girlfriend. This is my first love. This is the first thing ever. And I have a weird story. I woke up one morning and I decided that that was.

[Dax Shepard]

That it was your birthday.

[Andy Roddick]

It was my birthday. I retired that afternoon. I made a run at the US Open. I was in the middle of the US Open. I'd played the night match the night before and then I just did it. So I played like another week and that was that. And I never came back.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. So I admire it deeply. The earlier conversation we just had, which I was saying no, the challenge of leaving safety and leaving what you know is actually the calling. And so I actually admire greatly that you were 30 and you were confident enough to go like, I'm not enjoying this the way I'd like to enjoy it. I'd be happier not doing this. Ultimately it might have been a little.

[Andy Roddick]

More selfish than that. I'm pretty good at reality. I think the athletes were trained to like live in denial. We have numbers, like a very clear data set of you're one, you're two, you're four, you're six, you're eight. I was able to do that Matt math. And then I was 12 or 15 or whatever it was. So it was going the wrong way. And then frankly it was these monsters that came, these Novaks and Rafas and Rogers. And my shoulder was not great. If I didn't have the carrot that I was chasing. That was a grand slam title.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

I had a hard time reconciling cuz that was the goal the entire time. Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

So that's interesting.

[Andy Roddick]

When I didn't believe in that goal. I wish that I could have had in that moment more enjoyment of just.

[Dax Shepard]

Being on the tour.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. And I didn't work that way. It was pass fail. It was like misery. I was trying to out train everyone, make up for what I lacked in ability. I often had these conversations with Brooke, my wife. I was like, I was jealous of some of the guys that were 20 or 25 in the world that you would see a half hour after a loss and they were like happy going.

[Dax Shepard]

Out with their buddies.

[Andy Roddick]

My day, I didn't know if it was great that it didn't have that or great that I did. I didn't know. And so I struggle with that the last couple years.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that makes sense. Sense. We were talking earlier about the difference between entertainment. Entertainment is subjective. Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

The best shows aren't the biggest shows.

[Monica Padman]

Correct. The best shows that are really speaking to major themes, those are not seen by everyone. It's all very subjective. What we do. Even though we're all in the podcast space is very different from what Rogan's doing, from what Alex is doing. We can take pride in what we're doing. Sport is winning and losing.

[Dax Shepard]

Losing, it's like the only metric.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, it doesn't have to be. It could be this. It could be 10th in the world or 11th. But if you're a winner, as you are, go ahead and as am I. Yeah, it's winning or nothing. I was a two time state champ.

[Dax Shepard]

Not a big deal.

[Andy Roddick]

But tell us more.

[Monica Padman]

Everyone's heard it. They're so sick of it.

[Dax Shepard]

We can't get into it. The only one that could probably get through it.

[Andy Roddick]

Go on.

[Monica Padman]

But I do know that second is not an option when you're in it. And so if it's just like, yeah, we're fifth, we're six for this long. Long. I could see being like, I'm done now.

[Dax Shepard]

There's also even a hiccup within there, which is. There's like all this great science behind the curse of silver. So bronze people actually enjoy the Olympics.

[Andy Roddick]

They go out on a winning note.

[Dax Shepard]

That you got on the podium. Silver's like a death sentence.

[Andy Roddick]

It's a rough one.

[Dax Shepard]

Doesn't make any sense.

[Andy Roddick]

I watched my friend Marty from the Serving Story earlier. We were on the same Olympic team. I was seated too. I lost early. He made it to the, the final finals. Played another guy, Marty, I don't know what he was ranked at the time. He was probably like 30. It wasn't as if he was favored to get there.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Plays another guy around that ranking and loses. I look back at the limbs, I'm like, yeah, it was pretty fun. We were in the Olympic version. And he's like, I hate. I can't. It's hard.

[Dax Shepard]

Doesn't want to think about it. Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

To your point, that second place silver thing is. I think it's real.

[Dax Shepard]

The brain is so.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it is.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

But you can be pragmatic. Like you can talk through it and understand basic math. And you're like, that's better.

[Monica Padman]

It doesn't matter.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, but it hurts more. It's so bizarre.

[Andy Roddick]

Not when you get into those mental gymnastics. Gymnastics.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so you are one of only two tennis players to ever host snl. That's pretty incredible.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What was that experience like?

[Andy Roddick]

It was great. I think Lorne Michaels just wanted me to hit with his son or I think that was pretty much it.

[Dax Shepard]

That would be enough for me.

[Andy Roddick]

I think that was the entire thing. It was a Weird moment in time where tennis crosses over. I don't know why that happened. I like uncomfortable things. I don't get freaked out by that thing. I'm like, oh, if you suck, it's kind of funny. No one expects anything from you. Their job is to not make you look terrible. Terrible.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right, right.

[Andy Roddick]

And you have the most talented people on earth around you to do that.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you able to be present and have fun?

[Andy Roddick]

Our world tour finals, where I was one going into it, there were three guys in that tournament of the top eight. So getting number one's great. Being year end, number one is more prestigious. So Federer was in second. Ferrero, who now is the coach of Alcaraz, was one of the guys also.

[Dax Shepard]

So was that the guy you had beat in the US Open?

[Andy Roddick]

Yes, exactly. So I was still training for that the next week. So I was in New York. I would train in the mornings till two and then I would go do all the rehearsals and everything until one or two in the morning and then landed and then had to play. Enjoyed it. I wish it would have been two weeks later when my season was done.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Because all I wanted to do was sit in that room and listen to them read the shitty bits, the good bits. I'm obsessed with comedians.

[Dax Shepard]

You want to go to the afterparty and stay to the end.

[Andy Roddick]

I didn't. I was gone. I had to play on Tuesday. That was Saturday, obviously. Right there in the name. And then I had to leave. So I got into Houston at like 3am that morning. It was incredibly fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Poorly timed.

[Andy Roddick]

It was amazing.

[Dax Shepard]

Who was the musical guest?

[Andy Roddick]

Dave Matthews.

[Dax Shepard]

Who's your favorite?

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, he was there. It was during his solo album.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you become bros with him over the years?

[Andy Roddick]

Had known each other before that. My wife, if I say I'm a Dave fan, she's like, you're not a Dave fan. I'm a Dave fan.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Andy Roddick]

She will fight someone over. She's like, you'll see. In 20 to 30 years people will fully understand. I'm like, all right. It's like, I don't know. You look back and I'm sure you guys had the same thing. It was a crazy moment in time where crazy, fun weird was happening all the time.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, God. Yeah, right.

[Andy Roddick]

Like, and then it calms down and it was weird. I don't have the thing where I missed it when it wasn't happening. Yeah, I appreciated it fully. I loved it. It was great. I was always happy to have the opportunities. I like doing stuff that wasn't normal. So you talk about the comfort stuff. Zone being that comfort zone is the.

[Dax Shepard]

Worst you feel kind of. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool.

[Andy Roddick]

It's like the best cast ever.

[Dax Shepard]

One other neat thing I think that I read about today that happened in your career was you had gone, I don't know what number it was, going to the finals at Wimbledon against Federer, who, by the way, the fact that you had to face him three times in the final. There's going to be a great movie at some point about that whole thing. It's just so incredible that you faced him three times there.

[Andy Roddick]

You get to the top level and it's about matching ups. So it just happens that this guy from Switzerland. Well, we talk about serve pace doesn't bother him. He sees the ball earlier and he's able to accept it. It's like I say, the greats, the racket is like an extension of their hand and the rest of us are grabbing the racket and then using it. It's very difficult. I'm assuming it's the same as, like, if you're on the other side of a great actor and you're thinking about stuff and delivering stuff and they're just doing stuff.

[Monica Padman]

You're saying the rest of us as if you are not one. One.

[Andy Roddick]

No, I'm not saying the rest.

[Dax Shepard]

A tiny margin between he and.

[Andy Roddick]

I know. I know I could go down the street and like, yeah, like, I'm. I don't want to brag. I am one of the best players in my club, so I understand that. But as much of a difference is between me and someone who's 300, there is that much of a difference between.

[Monica Padman]

The greats who are the top five.

[Andy Roddick]

Well, you have to separate. Best three female players ever, in my mind are. I have to make four. Chrissy Ever, Martina, Stephie and Serena. And I'm going to go back. I'm going to realize I didn't say it.

[Dax Shepard]

Someone.

[Andy Roddick]

It's going to kill me.

[Monica Padman]

No, don't worry. I made you do this very fast.

[Andy Roddick]

Novak, Roger, Rafa, they ruined sports for everyone else because they were so good. Alcaraz has six Slams already. That's like as many as icons of our sport. And like, will he get to 24?

[Dax Shepard]

I'm like, yeah. How many did Agust get? Eight.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, so Macan had seven. Alcaraz is six. At 21 or 22 years old, he's that great. But also the question is now, can he win 20?

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right, right.

[Andy Roddick]

It's like the record before those guys was 14. The last Wimbledon final I played against Roger, that was when he broke the previous record. Record was in that match. So Pete Sambras, who you don't see is a recluse, doesn't come to tournaments. Pete showed up for that match because.

[Dax Shepard]

That was his record.

[Andy Roddick]

That was his record. So he showed up. So we're playing in front of him. I'd known Pete because I played on tour with him. It's 15 and I think the next highest active player at that point. So that would have been 09. It probably would have been Rafa at like three or four. It's like there's no one going to be even close.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

And then the two of them didn't even finish. Then another guy comes and does. It's just absurd. And then you throw Serena what she did and it's all together and it's just like we're spoiled by greatness. Then you tend to like look at someone who, who won four or the commentators are disparaging someone who's 20 in the world during a live broadcast. I'm like, what the are you talking about? Tell a better story.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. But that's the match actually that I'm referencing cuz something really cool happened which is he wins. He sets this new record. The Brits go crazy. They're chanting Feder F. And then there's a beat and then they start, start chanting your name. Which is like unconventional, which is radical. Like I think everyone's like me. He played an incredible match. We respect this guy so much. Even in second place, you also in your interview after it made almost the entire focus on Pete Sampras for being there. The way people regarded your sportsmanship was so admirable. And then you got home to New York and you were in a Apple store like three days later later and people were coming up to you and being like, oh, was tough match. And you realize in that moment it had really permeated. It had kind of transcended a bit.

[Andy Roddick]

It changed everything. And I don't know that that happens if I win.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Andy Roddick]

I think it gets viewed very differently than if you kind of tragically lose. I was a kid who was hot headed through stuff.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yelled at people.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah. So you get judged. There's a hype mechanism that my natural ability probably doesn't support after that match. Maybe you feel a little more understood. Understood. And it's not conscious cuz you're reacting. All you're trying to do in a speech is try to get through without breaking down. We have the Most psychopathic sport ever where it's like the loser has to go up and address the crowd within 10 seconds of finishing and be graceful. Like, imagine going to super bowl trophy ceremony and having a losing team come up and give a soliloquy before.

[Monica Padman]

Why is that?

[Andy Roddick]

It's absurd. From my experience with that match, you're shattered. This is like the thing I don't know if I'm going to get back. That was a place I hadn't been in a couple years. It wasn't as if the other Slam finals that I played in long lost. I still thought I would be back there.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

This one, I'm playing it actively during the match. I don't know that.

[Dax Shepard]

And a layer people I don't think would naturally assume I hadn't, which is. It's not just about you. It feels like a very singular sport. It's just this person. But in fact, after that match, you're comforting your wife who's very, very sad. You're comforting your coach who's crying. Oh, no, I underestimated that aspect. It's like you're not just carrying your dream up there, you're carrying a lot.

[Andy Roddick]

Of the people around you tone for this point forward. But you come back to the States, I'm walking down the street in New York City and the crew fixing the pothole and us not being appreciative of them saving us time the next day or, you know, no one sees it when it's fixed.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, right.

[Andy Roddick]

They're going, Andy, tough one, man. Like, I'd never experienced that in my entire life.

[Dax Shepard]

I would imagine in that scenario you can actually feel the love.

[Andy Roddick]

Amazing. Never in my life had I felt that. And then. And then I pulled out of a couple tournaments I wasn't ready to play. A month later, I show up and we play a tour event in D.C. see, Tuesday. You normally draw, I don't know, seven, 8,000 people. And then you get to finals and it's full first night walk out and there's 16, 000 people going nuts. Yeah. Practices were different. It changed the entire thing forever. Even to this day, completely. You don't realize that without time.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. They forced you to maybe accept the thing I was saying earlier, which is like, am I worthy of love if I'm not a champion? Oh, wow. I am. That's nice.

[Andy Roddick]

It was something completely unexpected, expected.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so, yeah, you're gone for 10 years. You didn't play really, for 10 years after retirement?

[Andy Roddick]

No. I would play like customer tennis, where you get paid to go do this thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Have you played with Bill Gates?

[Andy Roddick]

I have not, no.

[Dax Shepard]

He's our rich friend. If you want us to connect.

[Andy Roddick]

But I didn't like play, play. If I went out, I stunk. I'm sure there's like an element of stand up where you can know you weren't great.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right.

[Andy Roddick]

But maybe they don't know you weren't great type things. But I didn't play. I never played at home for fun. I played transactions transactionally completely, for 10 years.

[Dax Shepard]

Got it. So what is the wake up where all of a sudden you get kind of back interested in it?

[Andy Roddick]

I can't stop playing. No.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you can't.

[Andy Roddick]

I play all the time.

[Dax Shepard]

Really?

[Monica Padman]

Is it the same thing? You woke up one day and you're like, I'm ready again.

[Andy Roddick]

No Body starts breaking down at a certain point. I basically have this thing. It's like, okay, I probably have however many years to be athletic. But then you go out and hit and the feedback is like, it actually makes sense. It's listening again and you kind of get addicted in a great way. That feeling of, oh, I'm relearning this thing. I know how it's supposed to feel. Sometimes it feels that way, is you form, but there's no consequence. So I've never ever in my life. This thing that I love, I've never lived it without consequence.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And it's the best. It's the best.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm not nervous.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't care.

[Monica Padman]

There's no pressure.

[Andy Roddick]

I'm playing a bunch of dickheads.

[Dax Shepard]

It's great. You're playing for the right reason, which is the sensation of being competent.

[Andy Roddick]

You don't go home to anyone who cares about how you did that day. But it's amazing.

[Monica Padman]

It's the best.

[Dax Shepard]

But then you start kind of tweeting prolifically about tennis. You're starting to get more in the national conversation about tennis as it is today. Ultimately, you start served your podcast, but what are the little steps before you start served?

[Andy Roddick]

So I say this sensitively. I don't know that I would have gone back to kind of the front facing side of tennis had it not been for Covid.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Andy Roddick]

Where it's like they have nothing live to show on Tennis Channel. And I remember I looked at the emails and it was like, oh, we should be through this in six weeks.

[Dax Shepard]

Six weeks to two years.

[Andy Roddick]

Right. So basically it's setting pressure, precedent for working from home. Because my whole thing was like, I don't want to sacrifice geography. I did 45 weeks a year. I'm never doing that again.

[Dax Shepard]

Had you already moved to North Carolina? Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

So I start going on there, just basically reading the phone book because events aren't being played. Top 10 Best Places to play, you know, after mimosa, whatever it is. So I'm all just doing that. And then they start regular programming. You basically get to the point where it's like, okay, Earth pays attention to tennis for like eight weeks a year before slams. It's a lot of Runway for people that are like kind of nerdy about it. Yeah, right. And that's not being addressed. There's no place to consume a story on a Tuesday. And so it's like, there's no cost to it. I'm preaching to you about your business, but you can start something up. You don't need permission. You don't need someone to put you on. You can go for an hour or you can go for three hours.

[Dax Shepard]

There's no exhibitor. You are self distributing and do whatever you want to do.

[Andy Roddick]

Basically we just thought there was a lot of football field left and so we did that.

[Dax Shepard]

And you've done a lot of fun stuff with the show. You've interviewed a lot of really famous and interesting. How do you and Agassi get on? You had him on.

[Andy Roddick]

He's my idol. He's my hero.

[Dax Shepard]

That incredible doc.

[Andy Roddick]

Extremely flawed. And he'll be the first to tell you you why. Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Or how.

[Andy Roddick]

Being around him when I was 17, it was a little freeing because fully aware of his flaws, but also capable of this greatness. And when you're 15, 16, 17, you're like, oh, the people that are that good, that successful for that long have to be perfect.

[Monica Padman]

Right?

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Andy Roddick]

It was a great lesson. We're as close as we've ever been. And at some point in the last three or four years, when we've been around each other a bunch, it went from like, okay, I don't feel like a kid around him anymore. I don't feel like I'm the nine year old who is wearing all the unfortunate spandex with Danglo orange and green. Yeah. And so we text all the time. He's a friend.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

He came on our show, him sitting down. I mean, you get to experience it every week. But digging into people's psyche, their brains, and that was kind of the biggest one because I knew where to go.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. The reward of it, I think, is like to have someone trust you is a very beautiful feeling.

[Andy Roddick]

I know that I'm not as good as Andre. I'm not as good as Rafa. I'm not as good as all these people. But I understand the things they're describing.

[Dax Shepard]

Absolutely.

[Andy Roddick]

Figure out very well.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Patterns and processes and how we view things differently. We could be remembering the same match and think about it completely differently.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's fascinating.

[Andy Roddick]

Both maybe be experts in our own way. But I'm like, why do you think that?

[Dax Shepard]

It's amazing.

[Andy Roddick]

It's like the biggest high ever. And it's like. It's basically, I found a way to get paid to ask these people the questions that I want to ask them that I would never ask them in private.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, right, right, Right. To nerd out.

[Andy Roddick]

It's the best.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I agree.

[Andy Roddick]

You two have it figured out.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you see the doc about Agassi?

[Monica Padman]

What's the untold one?

[Andy Roddick]

That was with Marty Fish. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

You were in that, right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

So that's the guy who I served against that. The silver medal.

[Monica Padman]

We watched that together.

[Dax Shepard]

Is that the one where it talks about him dealing with his wig?

[Andy Roddick]

That's Agassi. I don't know the doc, but his book Open is my favorite sports book of all time.

[Dax Shepard]

I got to read that. I saw a great doc, and he was incredibly honest. And again, there was some really, really important match. And, you know, he's dealing with this secret he has that he's going bald, and he's wearing. He wears a hairpiece, and he has.

[Andy Roddick]

The bandana famous for, like, this big moulay jean shorts. Like, Rebel Reneg. Back when the culture in the 80s was like, you dress in all white.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

He was like, fuck this on its head. Long hair, jean shorts to play matches in. Insane.

[Dax Shepard]

He's like, one of the first brands, you know, he was a brand. And something has gone wrong with the wig and the thing. And he kind of files the French Open.

[Andy Roddick]

He has, like, pinned on me. He can feel it, like, coming off.

[Dax Shepard]

So all this poor guy is thinking about during that match gets routed that. And again, you talk about what was happening. Match like that dude. Until he tells that story, he's like, that guy has no idea what happened to that match. He's having this fucking complete collapse of identity.

[Andy Roddick]

The other guy's. He's giving himself credit. He's like, I've completely taken this guy out of his game. I am.

[Dax Shepard]

All this guy's thinking about is his hair.

[Andy Roddick]

I am a strategic surgeon.

[Dax Shepard]

I had so much empathy for him. And it's. Everything's just so fucking human. And you project onto these People like, well, he's agassiz. He feels 20ft tall. No. We are all terribly insecure. We all don't think we're worthy of love. But since we all have this fucking racket. Pun int.

[Andy Roddick]

You have to. You have to read his book. Your thing about not feeling like you're deserving of love. He opens the book with like, I hate tennis.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Andy Roddick]

And he's like, because it caused so much stress in my family, he goes, now I'm good at it. I respect it. I've now gotten to the point where.

[Dax Shepard]

He can have a relationship with it. That's.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, but he's like. He goes, you can't tell me that I shouldn't hate it when you haven't lived through the personal side wasn't worth the other side. You can't tell me how to gauge those things.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow. Yeah. He had some wild times out there in Nevada or wherever the fuck he was living. Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

His dad was a Irene Iranian boxer who worked the door at Caesars.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay. Let's go. Okay, so I know that one of your goals and missions, and you just stated it, which is there's a billion viewers throughout the year and there's 29 million people that play this sport, and yet it's relatively very small on the television front. So people watch these four events, they watch the French Open, the Australian Open, the Wimbledon and the US Open Open. So in your opinion, how do they better the experience for the fan? How do they get people interested in these non grand slam tournaments?

[Andy Roddick]

I can go off on this in a million different directions. You can't have an eleven and a half month season and expect people to be committed when it's not in front of them. And in order to have a conversation that's realistic and in the right actual spirit of change, the tour runs independently from the itf, which is in charge of the protocols for the Olympics, which is in charge charge of drug testing, which is separate from the Grand Slams, which is separate from the team events, which is separate from the everyone fighting for those couple of weeks. So everyone agrees everything needs to be shorter. Everyone agrees these changes and no one is willing to give. And so then you bring in money from other parts of the world. Everyone's reacting to like, is that going to set off?

[Dax Shepard]

Is that what's happened? Are the Saudis entering this?

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah, but it's just everyone lives in their own silo. The biggest properties, which are the Slams aren't in control or don't really care about how tennis is delivered throughout the year. So when ESPN comes in and buys only the Slam rights, whoever's negotiating that deal doesn't sell them the Monday night game with two losing teams in December. That's a mistake. So there have been a lot of mistakes where how ESPN doesn't cover the lead in events to the Grand Slams.

[Dax Shepard]

So they need collective bargaining so that they can lift the lower.

[Andy Roddick]

There's no independent representation for the players. So what you asked is a loaded question with a million layers. Right? Like you described. Scraped an onion Stay tuned for more.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Dax Shepard]

You can imagine they'll give you a ride you didn't ask for.

[Monica Padman]

But skims, the quality is just wonderful. The colors are great. Even when you're picking out like a fun underwear in the morning and you pick like a nice bright color just makes your mood better. The ones I really like are in the fits everybody collection because the fabric, fabric is just different and so soft.

[Dax Shepard]

Shop Monica's favorite bras and [e-mail] after you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Here's what I think is really beautiful about the sport that I don't think is played out up enough. It's kind of the most meritocracy totally sport there is.

[Monica Padman]

You think so?

[Dax Shepard]

100% because this weekend when F1 races a guy on the HOS team, he can't beat Max. He doesn't have the car.

[Monica Padman]

Well, that one is specifically.

[Dax Shepard]

But it, but it goes all the teams you're on, the Yankees, they have a bigger budget, they have more players. If you enter this tournament with the 260 people that enter, everyone has literally a shot to be the champion that weekend. And that's so rare in any sport.

[Andy Roddick]

People will tell me the tough losses, it's unfair. I'm like, it's the most fair, it's the Most you never walk off feeling like maybe it was a bad call. But the scale of unfairness in tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

Is tiny compared to almost every.

[Andy Roddick]

Cannot make an argument for scale in tennis and it being unfair. Yes, it's not unfair at scale.

[Dax Shepard]

I guess golf shares that as well.

[Andy Roddick]

But that's even different. Like you can have course setups that are lucky. The PGA moves every, every year if you catch a run of courses you like that fit your game.

[Dax Shepard]

A tennis court is a tennis court. Other than the services.

[Andy Roddick]

But the services, they're not changing as much. Right. You know what it is. You know the cities are going to be played in 10 years from now. Like it's just going to be that.

[Monica Padman]

What about who you're paired up with?

[Andy Roddick]

But that's luck of the draw. It's like flipping a coin and being ahead 2 at the end of 10.

[Dax Shepard]

Flips that'll even out and there's no manipulation in it. So the NFL, that's true. The NFL was explained to us by the wonderful guys from acquired. The goal of the NFL is that mid season, every team 500 with scheduling. You mean that in the middle of the season every team would have a 500 record? Every great team at the beginning of the season plays all their hardest games. It's not just random and it's not.

[Andy Roddick]

Look at the draw.

[Dax Shepard]

It is, it is manipulated so that hopefully at the middle of the season everyone has 500.

[Andy Roddick]

And also it's just different because you'll have a tough scheduled season where the people you play hurt 10 games above 500.

[Dax Shepard]

So that's like a really rad aspect of tennis.

[Andy Roddick]

You're good enough or you're not good enough. There's no nepotism in tennis, there's no team spending.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean you could have better coaches.

[Andy Roddick]

Whatever, but if you have federations, it's not non existent. But the narrative of tennis like and how much it costs and all this, I don't know. You see all these other travel sports with kids and stuff and I'm going, I don't think that's true anymore. I think we're just being lazy about what was said during the 90s, kind of. I mean you look at our icons, we talked about Agassiz's father. You talk about Venus and Serena, you talk about Novak Djokovic from war torn Serbia.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, true.

[Andy Roddick]

And then you tell me that only. No, it's not, it's not.

[Monica Padman]

It Maybe gymnastics is comparable in that way. You're either good enough or you're not.

[Andy Roddick]

You don't need a Full team to get to the highest level.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It's just a really rad part that I feel like they're not telling the story enough. They're not amping that up. You know, they're not doing the prelude to that. And this guy's on a run and he's only ranked this, but this could be his weekend building in the human drama of.

[Andy Roddick]

Once had a. You know, like people who are really great at their job are able to take complex concepts and make them into like a sound bite.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

So. So I had a quick lunch with Al Michaels and I was going over to cover a match for BBC at Wimbledon. He goes, just whatever you do, don't tell me what's happening. Tell me why it's happening.

[Dax Shepard]

Ah, great.

[Andy Roddick]

And it was like, very clear. Yeah. My job's to tell you what the score is. Your job's to tell me why the score is what it is and what needs to change for it to change.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

To your point, I don't think we often in tennis, which we try to do on our show. Why is this happening? Why is it a difficult matchup? Why is it someone's good forehand, good back? No, the forehand in different spots and regions on the court you can actually manipulate. It's not all the same, this show.

[Dax Shepard]

Match point. That box to box does. I think that's what it's called. That's great. Cuz again, it introduces you to the personalities. Why did F1 explode? Drive to survive. These guys wear helmets. You can't root for a dude whose face you've never seen. You don't know a story. So it's like that needs to get infused, obviously. But yeah, it is such a pure and wonderful sport. The mental of it, man, I don't know that there's a sport like it. The mental of that game is just insane.

[Monica Padman]

It's like chess.

[Andy Roddick]

There's no other sport where you can't really talk to anyone. You're just there. I didn't know it was weird and now I know it's weird.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

I sat up in the stands of the US Open last year and was just catching a match. And I'm like, just watching these two people go about their thing. Like, this is a weird sport we're.

[Dax Shepard]

Watching almost like a very private thing.

[Andy Roddick]

But even the locker rooms on the last day. So you get there day one and it's a train station. People from the qualifying tournament. 128 main draw double. There's hundreds of players in this locker room.

[Dax Shepard]

Like the first day of college class. Yeah, everyone's dropped out.

[Andy Roddick]

I can only assume that's the case. But then you walk in the last day, and it's just you and one other person.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that is so weird. So quiet.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. It's like squid game.

[Andy Roddick]

And it happens. It is. Every day.

[Dax Shepard]

You lose.

[Andy Roddick]

You lose.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

Every day you lose like a quarter of the draw.

[Dax Shepard]

Whoa.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's such a mind.

[Dax Shepard]

Just two people in a locker room.

[Andy Roddick]

It's so weird.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that is so weird.

[Andy Roddick]

Like, you walk in, then you, like, walk past the park person. It's like, hey.

[Dax Shepard]

Hey. This is stressful, awkward.

[Andy Roddick]

Hey, have a good day. I mean, don't. I don't.

[Monica Padman]

I don't say good luck? Actually.

[Andy Roddick]

No, can't say that either.

[Dax Shepard]

One of the things people are loving about your show is that you're not afraid to take people to task. I do want you to just tell me, what's this situation with this billionaire Bill?

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, no, that's what I thought you were talking about when you're like, billionaire. You said so.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, that's a Bill gate.

[Andy Roddick]

So Bill Ackman one, He's funding a lawsuit against the ATP tours, Basically saying there aren't enough jobs and a bunch of other things and not a lot of people have signed up. They basically had this thing that they say they're a players union, but the players haven't agreed to it.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Andy Roddick]

So I'm like, I don't know where that leaves us. So we had, like, a contentious with his CEO from that thing like a year ago on our show. So Bill is obviously brilliant at what he does. He's a brilliant investor. Polarizing. Half the country likes what he says, half the country doesn't. Fancies himself like a tennis player. It's like, I'm good. One thing I don't want to do is make someone into a cartoon because he's very serious, accomplished, great at what he does.

[Dax Shepard]

That's good.

[Andy Roddick]

And takes a wild card into, like, a pro event. And it was the hall of fame, and I love the people at the hall of fame. Strongly disagreed with him on air. Strongly disagree with him behind the scenes. In every conversation I have. We've made our piece. I went to the induction last. We were great. And I said on the show, and I believe it. It was a minor league event.

[Dax Shepard]

Who's Jack Sock? That was his doubles partner.

[Andy Roddick]

He's a guy who's won a couple majors in doubles. Was a good single singles player. Well known.

[Dax Shepard]

He's a ringer. Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

What's that Mean, what do we mean?

[Dax Shepard]

Brought in with an unfair advantage.

[Andy Roddick]

But not even. No, but Jack doesn't even play. He's not even on tour anymore. It'd be like AAA baseball. Great players striving to make a living, do their thing, break through. That's what we're talking about.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Andy Roddick]

Bill Ackman decides he's gonna go play. It'd be like him going and saying, like, I'm 60 years old. I'm a great pitcher. I'm gonna go pitch in a AAA baseball game.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Andy Roddick]

And I think I can do it. Well, the other guys are both playing. Like, the memes are incredible. One of them set to the curb your enthusiasm theme song where it's like they're just hitting the ball back to him. So I just went on and like I said, this is the biggest clown show I've ever seen in pro tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, shameful.

[Andy Roddick]

You can't tell me people should have more jobs and then take one of the spots that week. Like, it's just there are parts that I don't like. And if Bill wants to do it, Bill can do it. My personal belief. And I'm going to get texts from the hall of. I don't believe that the hall of fame should have allowed it. I think it's beneath the hall of fame. Your job is to preserve and celebrate greatness.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

This was not it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

By a long shot.

[Monica Padman]

This was a stunt.

[Andy Roddick]

I said what I said. I went in the studio. Hot. I didn't talk about it again, but.

[Dax Shepard]

I thought it was very funny.

[Andy Roddick]

It was a clown show.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Very last thing. I just think it's funny that or I like that Austin's such a home base for you. I was hell bent on moving to Austin, and then what I was also debating is like, or do I go to Asheville? And I love Asheville. We ended up in Nashville, and I love that. But you have a place in the blue Ridge.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So I'm going mid October with my best friend from Detroit. We're going to leave Nashville, ride motorcycles, be stationed in Nashville, and then do rides.

[Andy Roddick]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Every day out of there. And just how lovely is.

[Andy Roddick]

Oh, my goodness. Blue ridge mountains is heaven. We don't have each other. Get it off. I'm going to send you places. You need to stop. Do the whole thing. It's magic. Honestly, there's no better thing than just, like, getting outside and feeling small.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

It's the best.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Andy Roddick]

We spent our summers up in this place, and you love at, like, a bald face rock. And our kids Go and throw rocks at streams all day.

[Dax Shepard]

I took my daughter when she was three. Just the two of us went to Asheville. We went to Looking Glass Falls, Sliding Rock, and, yeah. We sat in a river for, like, seven hours and played. And I'm like, this place calls me. This is special. So I don't know. In that way, I feel like we're long lost brothers because we're being pulled to all the same places. Everybody listen to Served with Andy Roddick. You have the number one tennis podcast for a reason. I hope everyone checks out it out. And this has been goddamn delightful.

[Andy Roddick]

I appreciate you guys.

[Dax Shepard]

It's fun.

[Andy Roddick]

I had to, like, check myself. I'm such a huge fan of the show, so I'm really happy to be on.

[Dax Shepard]

Thank you. All right, be well.

[Andy Roddick]

Cheers. Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

We hope you enjoyed this episode. Unfortunately, they made some mistakes. I'm going to tell you, this has lifted my spirits. I want to thank you.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, good.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I'm happy about that.

[Dax Shepard]

That. Yeah. I entered feeling like I was dying.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And now I feel happy.

[Monica Padman]

Good conversation can do that.

[Dax Shepard]

Especially when it's revolving around Travis's penis.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, that's. Is that what did it?

[Dax Shepard]

No, it's just for a lot of laughing. And you said I had spray on my lip. Well, which I did. Technically.

[Monica Padman]

You did.

[Dax Shepard]

Nicotine spray.

[Andy Roddick]

Not.

[Monica Padman]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

Spray spray.

[Monica Padman]

That's right. And not pee from your cat catheter.

[Dax Shepard]

Nope. Not orange. McDonald's orange.

[Monica Padman]

Did you.

[Dax Shepard]

Did I. Did I save some?

[Monica Padman]

You want to taste it?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, Rob, will you put a picture up of the McDonald's orange drink just so we can check in with the color? Because I want you to know. Yeah. You see the orange drink?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And that's not orange soda.

[Andy Roddick]

I think it's high C. High C.

[Dax Shepard]

It's more like a high C. I remember at a birthday party, you could get the big jug, that big McDonald's cooler.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Dispenser. And you dump the powder in, and then the water, and then it was. You know, that was the orange drink.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

So I don't think it was carbonated.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

But they probably did have orange soda.

[Monica Padman]

As well in the fountain. We moved past.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. We're going to move on. It's not worth 10. Fact check.

[Monica Padman]

I have one more question, though. Okay. Because we did move past me being correct about the uti.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh. Huh.

[Monica Padman]

Because when you were in pain, I was like, it kind of sounds like a uti. And sometimes some men do get them.

[Andy Roddick]

Sometimes.

[Dax Shepard]

Sometimes, sure.

[Monica Padman]

Were you like, I don't want to uti. That's a women's thing. Oh, did you feel emasculated a little bit?

[Dax Shepard]

No. Which is not to say I couldn't.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

But you know, all these things is like, what's the chain of events?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. What?

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Like if you have an infection in your prostate and then that gets into your urethra, that then you have a uti. Like, is it a UTI that then somehow infected my prostate or did I have prostitutes? Which. And I don't think we'll ever know. But because it's not obvious to me, I didn't go down the path of like, Jesus, how to get a UTI fudge a guy. And I didn't pee afterwards.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

That's generally how the women I know in my life get it.

[Monica Padman]

Well, no, you can get it a lot of ways. You could have. It could have been. Sorry. It could have been a wiping situation.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't want. You don't wipe your penis.

[Monica Padman]

I think you accidentally.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, Jesus.

[Monica Padman]

Got some.

[Dax Shepard]

No, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, okay. I'm just. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I did not. That's in. That would be impossible.

[Monica Padman]

No, it's not impossible. You could have dutied. As we talked about you duty sometimes in the toilet.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And then maybe just the penis hit it on really quickly and.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, it like bounced into the bowl.

[Monica Padman]

And it touched just. Just a very.

[Dax Shepard]

I still think. And this is why guys don't get it as much.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

We have a lot bit longer distance between there and the bladder. Exactly where you need the. The UTI to really take.

[Monica Padman]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

Fine.

[Monica Padman]

Purchase and wiping is a different scenario. But that's why I don't think this was.

[Dax Shepard]

I would have peed. You know, the, the, the odds of that in your hypothetical making its way all the way up to my bladder are very low. Which is why I think it's rare that guys get them.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

But people have got to be tired of my medical condition.

[Monica Padman]

So normally UTIs are first and then it starts spreading every. Everywhere.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

And that's bad.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, well, the guy did say the prostate is hard to get medicine into and it's hard for infection to get out of it. Yeah, it's really.

[Monica Padman]

It's.

[Dax Shepard]

It's in its own little universe. Yeah, it's got like a nice, I guess, protective barrier.

[Monica Padman]

It lives on its own island, physically and emotionally.

[Dax Shepard]

I think people are up for a GLP1 update. I've heard people ask like, hey, what's the updates? And then I certainly would like one.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, well, we can do a mini Update. Because we're probably gonna have Dr. Isaacson on a fact check coming up to talk about all of our blood results.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

He says we both have interesting results. And so I'm curious.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow. What that will be interesting is when.

[Monica Padman]

We first got our results after the first cognitive test and he did all the blood work and went through it all, he basically said I was a medical marvel.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

I forget why.

[Dax Shepard]

Huh. It wasn't the. Was it a good kind of medical marvel?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, it was.

[Monica Padman]

It was like you. Really unique stuff was happening.

[Dax Shepard]

I think anomaly might be a better word than marvel.

[Monica Padman]

I prefer medical marvel.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

And one thing. I don't remember if we talked about this back then, but they found randomly this one little, like, gene, one little elevation in numbers on this one little thing, and no one would really look at it because who cares? But they looked, and then they did a deep dive, and that correlates to late onset epilepsy.

[Dax Shepard]

Whoa. Really? Whoa. Wow. So in a world of where CRISPR is over the counter, do you think you get that gene edited out and you go off of your Capra and your.

[Monica Padman]

Wow. That's a great question. Because would I feel safe enough to go off of the medicine even if I knew the gene itself was cut out?

[Dax Shepard]

Because you got to remember in order. It's like you went on Keppra and then you needed to go on antidepressants. Or I shouldn't say needed.

[Monica Padman]

No, I went on need to.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you went on antidepressants.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, but we have different. I think. Well, look, Keppra. Keppra can be associated with depression, but I believe deeply that that was. That just. Again, it was. I had a seizure. I had to put on this medication. Covid.

[Dax Shepard]

Started right away.

[Monica Padman]

Started. So much was happening that it just pushed me over the edge.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Hard to parse out.

[Monica Padman]

It's hard to parse out. I. Knowing. Me, knowing my family history.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I believe I needed antidepressants before that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And would have needed it regardless. But who knows?

[Dax Shepard]

Who knows?

[Monica Padman]

Who knows? And I wonder if I would feel safe enough to get off of it.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, antidepressants often cause weight gain, right?

[Monica Padman]

They can. Yes, they can.

[Dax Shepard]

And then there's a fourth thing in the mix that causes weight reduction. You know, at least from my perspective, it does look like there could be a whole chain of events that starts with one thing.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It'd be interesting if you didn't have that one thing. What? Where we're at with all the other stuff.

[Monica Padman]

I don't know.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know either.

[Monica Padman]

I don't know. I. I know for sure that being on the Triz has not impacted my mood. For a while I was like, oh.

[Dax Shepard]

We cultures appetite Triz.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, yeah. Like it. I think for a while I thought, oh, maybe there'll be a reduction in anxiety or depression because I had heard that there might be some things there.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure.

[Monica Padman]

That is not the case.

[Dax Shepard]

But again, I think that's like, if one of your things is you're in a constant shame spiral that you've eaten in a way that you don't want to eat, but you keep eating and this thing stops that, then of course it's going to impact your.

[Monica Padman]

Right. That's.

[Dax Shepard]

But you were not. You're not there. Yeah. That's not you.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, correct.

[Dax Shepard]

You weren't like living in any shame spiral.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, the drinking was. That was. That's part of the mix. And that's been interesting to follow that whole journey. That was one of the main reasons I wanted to do it, was to see my relationship with it. And at first I did notice a change. I think what I said was I was drinking less. Less.

[Dax Shepard]

But frequency the same.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

Amount is less with dosage lowered.

[Monica Padman]

And I think that's still correct. I. I think for sure I reached my capacity soon. Earlier. But it's still. I still drink every day, basically. So that's been kind of a bummer, a let down. But part of that is like, it's mental. Like, there, there will be. And this is bad, but there will be times where I'm like, I'm not even. I'm not even in the mood to drink. Like, I don't really want to.

[Dax Shepard]

But you.

[Monica Padman]

But I'm here and. And I will.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So that's.

[Dax Shepard]

Whatever that is.

[Monica Padman]

I don't know what that is. Habit, I guess, or just, oh, we're out. Like, I might as well look at Charlie Sheen.

[Dax Shepard]

They. Did you finish the doc?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

The craziest thing is no one could get a moment off crack. They couldn't figure out how to get him off crack.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So they convinced his dealer because his dealer loved him.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

To start titrating. So. Because you make coke out of cocaine.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm sorry. You make crack out of cocaine. He could add however much baking soda he wanted to dilute it. And over the course of a year, he just reduced the crack to having almost no cocaine in it.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

And eventually, actually. And then Charlie's just thinking, well, I've reached the capacity. I can no longer get high. And he stopped.

[Monica Padman]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. He's just like, I don't know why the fuck I'm doing this. It doesn't do anything. And then he switched to drinking. Then he became a really bad alcoholic for a year or two, but they got him off of crack by tricking him and titrating him.

[Monica Padman]

Whoa.

[Dax Shepard]

So what's interesting is you're at the point where it's like, you've kind of been titrated in a way that you're like, I don't even really want it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But just the muscle memory and habit is like. But I'm gonna do it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But it's interesting if someone could trick you the same way.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And all of a sudden had no.

[Monica Padman]

Alcohol at some point, I would still do it.

[Dax Shepard]

Still do it. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Like right now, I'm like, I'm in.

[Dax Shepard]

Sounds good.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's weird. It's weird. I have noticed, like. Oh, I. I don't really. Okay, sure. I'll get a martini. Like, that's how it. That's. I'm not craving it, I guess in the same way. So that is interesting. It's just so. So social.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

It's a good. It's not even that it's a good time. I mean, it is a good time, but it's what you do. Just what you do. It's something to have in your hand. It's something. I don't know. Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm heading towards sobriety. Doesn't sound like it. Based on everything. Yeah. But also, I have definitely lost weight.

[Dax Shepard]

We don't know how much.

[Monica Padman]

It was not the goal. And I don't know how much because I don't wear. Weigh myself.

[Dax Shepard]

But what's interesting is Dr. Isaacson did weigh us on intake, but we didn't get weighed at this.

[Monica Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

So I think we need to get weighed. He's going to want to know that. And I'm kind of dying to know what the difference is for you.

[Monica Padman]

I'm curious.

[Dax Shepard]

I. I think you've lost about 65 pounds. This is, like, could be the biggest minefield ever to play a game.

[Monica Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

How much do you think I lost?

[Monica Padman]

I know. No.

[Dax Shepard]

60, £70? I don't know. What do you think?

[Monica Padman]

There's a lot of traps in this. In this conversation. Because I. And, like, I don't mean to, like, trigger anyone. I'll just. I can only talk about me and my body.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I'm already. I'm small. I've always been Small.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So because somebody asked like, oh, have you had to go down in size on your, in on your pants? Yeah. People are going to hate me for saying this. No. Because I already wore the smallest size.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Right. There's nowhere else to go.

[Monica Padman]

So. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So it's not like safety pinning any of you.

[Monica Padman]

So yesterday I put, I did put on a pair of pants and I was like, oh, they like they are about to fall off. So I am, you know, I've lost weight in a way that I don't want to lose more weight. I don't want that. Like I, I, my, I saw my parents for, you know, my aunt and my first thing, my mom saw me and she said, you've lost a lot of weight. And I was like, no, I don't think so since summer. And she was like, yes, I think so. And then I went to the next room and saw my dad. First thing he said, okay, but here's.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Okay. There's a lot going on here. A. They're like, they're already dealing with something of sadness. So like, is she depressed? Is that the explanation for the weight loss?

[Monica Padman]

Oh, sure.

[Dax Shepard]

So that's an option. Obvious fear.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But I'll add that when I go back to Mish, back when I used to go back to Michigan.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And people treated me like I had full blown aids. They're like, why are you so thin? Like totally concerned.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And I was like, I just gotta acknowledge like the baseline of what way too thin is in LA is, is just way different.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And truthfully, I'm with like six of my friends growing up and they've all got. Got that, you know, they're all hovering around 235 and they got a nice gut. They've earned and that is how you look. So when you don't have it, it looks crazy to them.

[Monica Padman]

It'd be one thing if it was the other family members who said that. But my parents do see me a fair. They saw me in the summer and they have. I again, I've always been small, so it's not like they're like, why aren't you looking thicker? Like I, I think to them it was drastic. Yeah, whatever. That's whatever the weight. Except I will be honest and Dr. Richard Isaacson is really not going to like this. But it is the truth. I have lost a lot of muscle.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh. Huh huh.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And that is bad. And I, the whole. I've been trying, you know, trying to actively build bone density.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Farmers carries.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I haven't Done. Farmers.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's. I'm afraid to ask you, but how much effort have you put into most?

[Monica Padman]

No, because I. It. They're now they're too heavy. Okay. So now we're in a weird. Now I don't really know what to do because I'm weaker.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, boy.

[Monica Padman]

I'm definitely weaker.

[Dax Shepard]

There is a new one, as you know. There's a new one that you're going to be able to switch to very shortly that specifically prevents that muscle loss.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, really?

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

There's a new one. I'm seeing different people on my feed talk about it.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And I guess it's close to being approved, but. Yeah, it's like a triple inhibitor.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, it's a GLP3.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Well, it's like semaglutide plus this, plus that, and it. And does counter that, that muscle loss issue that is quite prevalent.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, that's interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

But it's hard because what I like about this GLP1 is I do. I feel safe on it. Like, there's been at this point, so many studies. You've had enough people on that have been like, yeah, it's pretty good.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So to do this other one feels a little more risky.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I should probably just try to do more farmers carries. But there's so heavy yet.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, boy. I'm like starting to get nervous. You're gonna fall down your apartment and just be like.

[Monica Padman]

I did. I will.

[Dax Shepard]

And I shouldn't have lost your ability to carry those things you could carry two months ago.

[Monica Padman]

I know, but I was stronger.

[Dax Shepard]

Right, but you.

[Monica Padman]

You.

[Dax Shepard]

You didn't. You needed to stick with it a little more. I think. I don't know how to say this, but you.

[Monica Padman]

They were heavy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, but they wouldn't have been heavy if you. If you c. If you never stop.

[Monica Padman]

I know, but. I know, but then I was tired.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, if I don't squat for a month and a half, I'm not going to be able to go squat 250, like my normal thing. I'm going to have to drop down. But you can. Within a couple weeks, you can be back.

[Monica Padman]

I work my way back. I can't.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I have to start off with fives, whatever it takes.

[Dax Shepard]

And then. Then next week you do 10.

[Monica Padman]

I do. I need to. I need to. I. I am a little nervous about.

[Dax Shepard]

The lack of you, but I want you to.

[Monica Padman]

I know. I'm aware of it. It's bad. That's the one thing. Before I got on it, Dr. Richard Isaacson was very clear that I needed to monitor the muscle and make sure I was. And I didn't do it. Yeah, I didn't, you know, I didn't do it.

[Dax Shepard]

Look it, we're not perfect, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

I know that I have to get back on that and I will. I have been really tired and maybe I just have a bug, but there are these weird cycles where like, you're eating less and so you have less energy and so you don't want to work out because you have less. Like that part's bad. I do need to break that cycle. I have been going to bed at seven for the past couple nights and sleeping till like I have two.

[Dax Shepard]

But I'm dying.

[Monica Padman]

I know you're sick.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I have thought, like this isn't exactly right.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm a little concerned with these updates. Going to bed at seven, it was weird. Can't lift five pounds. I weigh somewhere around 76 pounds and. But I'm still drinking. The only thing I'm.

[Andy Roddick]

The only thing I'm staying.

[Monica Padman]

The only thing I've really committed to.

[Dax Shepard]

Is I am you. I don't even want to, but I get through it.

[Monica Padman]

I force it down.

[Andy Roddick]

Stay tuned for more Armchair experts. If you dare.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

No, but you know what?

[Dax Shepard]

I think you got to try The Mel Robbins 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 approach to this. Okay, which is her first book and she became wildly popular over it.

[Monica Padman]

Easter egg.

[Dax Shepard]

Well.

[Monica Padman]

Which is when is it an Easter egg? And when am I just telling people?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, it's.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that's the question.

[Dax Shepard]

That's too big of an Easter egg. If I say Mel Robbins and then you say Easter egg, but her thing is you think of what you want to do and I want to get out of bed and then you start thinking it's Cold out there. I don't want to get out of bed. Soon as your brain starts, you're not going to get out of bed. But at the second, if you can start training yourself, the second you have a thought like I should do farm you, you'll be sitting in your house, I should do some farmer carries. And then immediately go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and on one, stand up and do it. Oh, because you're interrupting that cycle of convincing yourself not to do the thing you know you have to do. I like, she's like people are just waiting for motivation to hit them and it doesn't. That's not what happens. You have to interrupt and, and this is a very well worn technique that works.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

So I don't know, report back. Let's see, try the 5, 4, 1. The second you think of something, just immediately go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and stand up and do it.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. So it'll be like I don't really want a martini. Five, four, three, you don't need any help. Shake, shake, shake, shake.

[Dax Shepard]

You're already doing it somehow with not wanting the martini and having.

[Monica Padman]

No, this is good, that's helpful, that's good for my farmers carries. But I gotta. The problem is you encouraged me me when I was very strong.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

To do 240s.

[Dax Shepard]

Uhhuh.

[Monica Padman]

And I could do that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I bought those. Now I don't have the right equipment. I don't have like 230s.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. But just I think a standard farming carry go goal is your body weight.

[Monica Padman]

Right. Which I don't know what that is.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you know, it's above 80. 80.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So.

[Monica Padman]

But that's.

[Dax Shepard]

So listen, 80 is not too heavy for you. You. It's just you're not going to be do it as long as you want to, but you got to do it. You just do that, wait and do it for however long you can count and then next time you got to do it one second longer.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. All right, I'll try.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

I can't do it right now because we're in the. I can't do 5, 4, 5.

[Dax Shepard]

What if you just stood up, you go 5 for then you just left.

[Monica Padman]

Well, all right. I, I do. Okay, so those are the updates. Like I guess they're mixed.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's mixed. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And when we get our blood work, we'll know more.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And I am really, really curious about that. I'm very curious about my cholesterol.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And even blood sugar and things like that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, me too.

[Monica Padman]

So TBD on that TB dizzle.

[Dax Shepard]

So for this motorcycle trip.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm gonna send you a picture, Rob. Can you put it on the screen?

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Can you want me to email it? Yes, please. Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. You're going on it a trip?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. This is so exciting. I'm so lucky and spoiled. I want to own this. Because if I was a dude listening to sad be like, you know what? Fuck you. You have money. But I have great relationships with all these different motorcycle manufacturers.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I go to track events with them. I'll be in their videos, whatever. And so people loan me stuff.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Which is so awesome. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Sustainable.

[Dax Shepard]

Very sustainable. And I have a motorcycle down in Tennessee. I have a gorgeous Moto Guzzi. I have not gotten the title yet to plate it. So it's like, I've got this great tour bike that I'm dying to ride on this motorcycle trip, and I can't ride it because there's no plates.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, you're gonna let that stop you?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I'm like, well, I wasn't going to. I was like, okay, I'm gonna bring a plate from one of my other motorcycles and just slap it on there and then pray I don't get pulled over. Or if I get pulled over, the guy doesn't know the difference between a Moto Guzzi and a Ducati. Of course I was gonna go the outlaw route. But then the responsible part was me was like, hey, you've got a couple good relationships. Why don't you see if you can borrow a bike while you're down there? Also, a lot of these places are based in Nevada, Atlanta, so it's like, not that far. So I was able to borrow two motorcycles for Aaron and I. Because also, Aaron was going to drive 600 miles on his motorcycle. He was going to ride for basically 12 hours to my house and then get up in the morning and ride with me for 400 miles. And then he, at the last minute, he's like, I can't do it. I'm going to rent a truck and I'm going to put the motorcycle. And then I was like, hold on, let me just see if I. And then you could fly in. It'd be so much easier. I got this super awesome Harley Pan America, which I. I had. I've never ridden. And they've, like, they've gone full gusto. It's super fast. Crazy good brakes. I'm really excited. And then. And if anyone is into motorcycles growing up, you're like a gold wing. That's like a grandpa's motorcycle.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. It's like catheter.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like a catheter. I don't want to say that because Honda is. They're loaning me.

[Monica Padman]

I love Honda.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So growing up, you're like, oh, yeah, that's. That's for old guys. So I hit Honda up. I'm like, hey, do you have anything in the fleet? And then my man said, I'm gonna pitch you the Gold Wing. Like for this kind of ride, I'm just gonna consider the Gold Wing. And I was like, you know what? I think I am up for a gold Wing.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

So this is a big moment for me.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Andy Roddick]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Rob, please show the picture. So the Goldwing arrived yesterday. Monica, look at this motorcycle. Look how big the back seat is.

[Andy Roddick]

Go, Rob.

[Dax Shepard]

Zoom. First of all, it' six cylinder motorcycle, which is bonkers, right?

[Monica Padman]

What is that?

[Dax Shepard]

Ducatis are like generally twins. Two. Two cylinders maximum, four inline. This is a six cylinder. And this back seat. So I sent this picture to Aaron.

[Monica Padman]

It looks like a first class plane seat.

[Dax Shepard]

Absolutely. Even the. The rider seat is incredible. And then you see the speakers built in. I've got like a huge sound system. Oh, Aaron. I sent this picture to Aaron and immediately we both had the same. Same thought. We were like, why are we gonna bring two motorcycles?

[Monica Padman]

You guys are gonna write tan.

[Dax Shepard]

Look at this thing. Isn't it begging for just the two.

[Andy Roddick]

Of us to be on the motorcycle?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. Look at that back seat.

[Monica Padman]

Where do you. Is the back seat where you is?

[Dax Shepard]

No.

[Andy Roddick]

You see that big backrest?

[Dax Shepard]

That's the passenger. Then you look lower. That's where my butt goes. There's a little lip. I'll point.

[Monica Padman]

Oh. Oh.

[Dax Shepard]

This is for the passenger.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. God, yes. And I'm think, how can you see above?

[Dax Shepard]

I'm thinking, I think I'd rather be a passenger on this thing. With Aaron riding and me just sightseeing the fall colors. Yeah. So I'm. I'm entering the Gold Wing phase of my life.

[Andy Roddick]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm done being cool.

[Monica Padman]

You're ready for comfort.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. I just. That thing looks so comfortable. It might ride itself there.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

All right. I just want to show you.

[Monica Padman]

That's gonna be cute. You two on there together.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, we're gon bring the second motorcycle, but who knows? We might do, you know, because we're going to do rides every day and come back to Asheville.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

We might take a two up ride one of these days.

[Monica Padman]

Are you guys going to stay in a cute Hotel.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. We got little. No, the, the, the vacancy was not almost non existent because. Because people do go there for the colors. I realized because I searched everywhere and I was two months out when I booked this.

[Monica Padman]

Whoa.

[Dax Shepard]

And there was slim pickings. But we're in a cool little boutique hotel downtown.

[Monica Padman]

Cute.

[Dax Shepard]

And then I hit up our sweet boy, Luke Combs.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Asheville native.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I said, where should I eat? And he's like, boom, boom, boom. The ribs here are impossibly good.

[Monica Padman]

Yum.

[Dax Shepard]

Go here for fish. Not going to happen. But whatever.

[Monica Padman]

You could try it. You could enter that phase of your life too.

[Dax Shepard]

I've tried it. Okay, okay, okay. Facts.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Facts.

[Dax Shepard]

Thanks for indulging my motorcycle story.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that's fun. I'm excited to hear. I hope you guys are careful. I have to say that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, we will be.

[Monica Padman]

And I hope you have so much fun.

[Andy Roddick]

Thank you.

[Monica Padman]

Wow, that was a fun one.

[Dax Shepard]

It was.

[Monica Padman]

And it's fun to have sports experts on, like athletes. I would guess they're called athletes.

[Dax Shepard]

He was also very mature, was my conclusion. I was like. I felt like we were peers, but I'm. I am nine years older than him.

[Monica Padman]

Well, he's lived just such a big life.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And he does have a very evolved perspective on it, I think.

[Dax Shepard]

I agree. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I enjoyed him a lot.

[Dax Shepard]

Felt we felt content, temporary. But we weren't.

[Monica Padman]

Well, at what age are you not like.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, let's just put it this way. I was graduating when he was in third grade.

[Monica Padman]

I know, but, but once you hit a certain age, when are you not contemporary?

[Dax Shepard]

It does diminish.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Like a 60 year old and a 50 year old are far different than a 10 year old and a 20 year old.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

I think when you're older, 10 year old is zero.

[Monica Padman]

I think if you're 40 or a of bunch above, you're all the same.

[Dax Shepard]

I saw a really comforting graph this morning. I think it was in the New York Times and it was. Oh yeah. Because Harvard has done like a, a very, very long study on a lot, a lot of people about happiness. So all this data has come out of this, the happiness study at Harvard, I guess.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, and it's new.

[Dax Shepard]

I think I'm getting that. Right. Well, in that there's always going to be updates. Right. Because they've been studying them long term. So I'm sure there was revelations midway through the study. So like one of the fun revelations is like the income achievement level of all the people in the study, which there are many, was not influenced whatsoever Whatsoever by their iq. There's like no, no correlation.

[Monica Padman]

Interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

So I love that one.

[Monica Padman]

Right. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like you thought you did shitty on IQ tests, you didn't do good in school. Doesn't mean shit.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

As far as just at least that. But anyways, in this, this, this chart I saw, there's a very predictable curve for everyone's health, happiness. And the lowest point across the board, men and women, is like 50, 53. And then it just starts going up and up and up and it gets as high as it'll ever get. Your happiness in your 60s. And I was like, well, that's great news. I just kind of lived through, or I'm currently living through the worst time how I can't even imagine how happy I'm going to be in 10 years. I was. I really like this graph.

[Monica Padman]

Weird. Makes sense for women because menopause, I wonder why Menopause, men.

[Dax Shepard]

I think the stress of like, am I going to make it? Can I support everyone? All that that's on your shoulder. You're getting a glimpse of like, you made it. You're going to get across the finish line. Failure's off the table. You did it. You have a savings, you own your home, family, safe. I, I think a lot of the pressure that you put on yourself evaporates.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, you mean. Oh, you're saying professionally. No, Yeah, I guess I meant why is it so low in your 50s?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, well, I think it's that, as we would say, that inflection point between I had this identity, go build, go create, save, buy something, and then this little bit of a moment of like, and for what? Again, these are like. This is the broad arc of data which is most people in whatever their given profession is, generally they hit their peak financial effectiveness in their 50s. That's when people get paid. Whatever your chosen occupation was, that is where it, it doesn't have in your 30s or 40s. Age generally happens in your 50s, so.

[Monica Padman]

And maybe.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you're halfway through life, so you're depressed.

[Monica Padman]

That's what I was about to say. I bet maybe you're really like, age becomes very present when you turn 50.

[Dax Shepard]

And I'm halfway done and all I did was work. I think most people are looking at this moment going, I'm so sick of working. Yeah, it didn't make me feel awesome and, and I can't quit because I'm. They're finally paying me what I deserve and I got to get paid this number. So there might be looking at like a 10 year out window. But before they're.

[Monica Padman]

Well, they. I mean, if they're waiting for Social Security, they are waiting a bit.

[Dax Shepard]

Or just your. Yeah. Standard retirement age.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Which I think Normally, I think 65. Yeah. But. Yeah. So that's really interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So my. My happiest years are like, ahead of me and yours too.

[Monica Padman]

That's great. My saddest years are ahead of me too. I love that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. That's.

[Monica Padman]

I don't love. That's not great.

[Dax Shepard]

That's not great.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

They're just slightly like. The graphs are slightly like the low points. A little different for women than the men, but in general, it's only off by a few years. And it is the exact same curve.

[Andy Roddick]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like follows the same trajectory.

[Monica Padman]

Interesting. Also, part of it maybe is that on average, probably around that age, 50, 53, your kids are maybe leaving. Not. Not here in this case, not in la, but on average in the country, probably that age, your kids be heading out on their own.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That's depressing.

[Dax Shepard]

Just gotten through the teenage years.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

Huh.

[Monica Padman]

Very interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. But all very positive and optimistic. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Great. Okay. I can get through those three years.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Who.

[Monica Padman]

Who can't? Will. I do okay. His brother went to Georgia. I just wanted to say go dogs.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, go dogs. But a big dog's day here in the.

[Monica Padman]

I know. That's a. Easter.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't like staying in the garage. It doesn't have the same ring as attic.

[Monica Padman]

I say garage, we can't say attic.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, we can't say atticus.

[Monica Padman]

We're not in there exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

But I wish garage had the same. And it should. Garage band, garage beer. There's a lot of cool garage.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But I don't know.

[Monica Padman]

You think it's. Well, the attic is very special.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Very few people have like an attic space that they've met a clubhouse out of, but a garage.

[Monica Padman]

Probably a lot of people have garage podcasts.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, but this is where we are.

[Dax Shepard]

We're in a garage.

[Andy Roddick]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Now, you're probably upset about that because you're 50, but I. I'm not.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You haven't bottomed out yet. You're not at the nadir.

[Monica Padman]

That's right. Okay. His brother's name is John, in case anyone wants to look him up.

[Dax Shepard]

I wonder if his brother's as cute as him. And if he's single.

[Monica Padman]

Let's see, he coaches. He's a coach.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. That's. Most coaches are married, I think.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, I think so, too. It doesn't say on his Wikipedia.

[Dax Shepard]

I can text Andy in this.

[Monica Padman]

He's 49.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay.

[Monica Padman]

I thought he's about to be depressed. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Let me kick this down the road to your. You're 48 and he's coming out the other side.

[Monica Padman]

What's the Happy Gilmore quote? He. He kind of like half said a Happy Gilmore quote. It's golf requires goofy pants and a fat ass.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I don't even know that quote.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it's from Happy Gilmore.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Yeah. So he had the record for the fastest serve, but now it's Sam Gro and at. That's 163.

[Dax Shepard]

No. 116 point.

[Monica Padman]

No, 163. He was 155.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh. Oh my God. Said 163. Now you're right. I. He had been dethroned by someone at 156, but now it's jumped to 163.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Was that a challenger event? Challengers. I love that movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Three sums.

[Monica Padman]

I love that movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Really hope you have a threesome one day with a couple of like real dream boats.

[Monica Padman]

Me too.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Sounds so fun. It's like a four hands massage.

[Monica Padman]

I mean the threesome thing is just so interesting because again, it. It has to be so specific for me. It has to be two men.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I find extremely attractive.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

And.

[Dax Shepard]

But again, what I have found in my own experiment sense, you'll like one more than the other. And then. And then you're like, I kind of just wish I was with this one.

[Monica Padman]

Well then why do you want this for me?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I still want it for you. It'd be fun.

[Monica Padman]

It sounds like a lot of anxiety. Well, maybe. Hopefully. Best case, like they're good at different things.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So then. Yeah, it's very titillating.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Honeydews, he said, is a Chambord lemonade Grey Goose Sprite. He pretty. I think he pretty much nailed it.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

It is Grey Goose lemonade. Raspberry liqueur is such a chambord. Honeydew melon balls. This doesn't say Sprite, but he's probably right. He knows his tennis.

[Dax Shepard]

Seem to know his shit.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, yeah. I'm really.

[Dax Shepard]

And you'll be seeing him next year at it.

[Monica Padman]

I'm excited to one day have this. Do you know why it's called Honey Deuce? Could you guess?

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, deuce is part of tennis.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Good job.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Foreign. It's a tennis term for a tide score of 40. 40. That seems like something that would come up in my Mid.

[Dax Shepard]

I've only heard deuce. I've never heard anyone call it honeydews, but that's great.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, no, honey. Because the honeydew melon. Okay, okay. He said Mayor Dinkins changed the flight pattern so it wouldn't fly over the U. S. Open. I thought that was so interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

For some. Yeah. Yeah. And priorities is.

[Monica Padman]

That's so crazy, but it makes sense. And. And yeah, he did it. Changed the flight pattern of planes over the US open in 1990 by negotiating with the Federal Aviation Administration FAA to reroute takeoffs from LaGuardia Airport to avoid the noise over Flushing Meadows Corona Park.

[Dax Shepard]

Just on that day, I assume.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. In exchange, the city agreed to pay the US Tennis association up to $325,000 annually for excessive flyovers that occurred during the tournament.

[Dax Shepard]

That's weird. They built in a penalty. It was like a favor. And then on top of it, I'm going to penalize. Penalize you if you violate it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's weird.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Good for them. They had a good negotiator.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, so silver being worse than bronze. The silver medal complex, also known as silver metal syndrome, A psychological phenomenon where second place finishers, silver medalists, often appear less happy than third place bron medalists because they engage in upward counterfactual thinking, focusing on what they could have done to achieve the first place rather than appreciating their accomplishment. In contrast, bronze medalists tend to focus on the alternative of finishing in fourth place or not receiving a medal at all, leading to a greater satisfaction with their outcome.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, so if your friend says, I have sms, don't think like, yeah, we all have SMS texting. Think they have silver metal syndrome.

[Monica Padman]

Syndrome. And then you can ask if they.

[Dax Shepard]

Have sad, Seasonal affected disorder.

[Monica Padman]

That's. That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you can ask them if they have uti. Urinary tract infection.

[Monica Padman]

And you should ask because they might be struggling like you are. Okay. I looked up the most expensive sports because we started talking about how tennis is a lot of. There's a lot of meritocracy. We feel like it's pretty meritocratized.

[Dax Shepard]

Meritocratic.

[Monica Padman]

I like meritocratized.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. It's nice. Yeah. Like democratized.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. To participate at the highest, highest levels. Formula one racing, equestrian sports, polo and competitive sailing are among the most expensive sports in the world.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, those have some pretty devastating built in costs.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly. These sports require massive investments in elite equipment, maintenance, logistics and skilled personnel. Oh, also high cost youth sports. Ice hockey says an average annual cost of $2,583 per per child.

[Dax Shepard]

Ice hockey is rough because you got to get ice time at places throughout the year when you're not by a frozen lake or if you live in any state without frozen lakes. Yeah. So ice time becomes really pricey.

[Monica Padman]

And then field hockey, ice. Okay, those are youth. Now this, it says elite level individual sports.

[Dax Shepard]

Golf is most expensive. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

It says high end clubs can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for a membership. Professional players pay for equipment, caddies, club coaches, travel and tournament fees which can exceed 1 million per year.

[Dax Shepard]

1 million per annum.

[Monica Padman]

What's that mean?

[Dax Shepard]

A year per Adam Per annum.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Don't you like. It's a gentle way to say that was cool. Yeah. For anum.

[Monica Padman]

Skiing is also on here and boxing is.

[Dax Shepard]

Is affordable ones.

[Monica Padman]

No, those are high.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, those are high.

[Dax Shepard]

They don't have boxing rings on every corner in the city, but. But they do have parks.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Training camp, sparring partners and specialized coaching and nutrition.

[Dax Shepard]

Nutrition.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Well, that's interesting. Let me see. I think I got them all, but let me just double check.

[Dax Shepard]

That's everything.

[Monica Padman]

That's everything for Andrew Ron.

[Dax Shepard]

We love him. We were charmed.

[Monica Padman]

Very charmed. Charmed, I'm sure. What is charmed, I'm sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Charmed, I'm sure.

[Monica Padman]

I don't get it.

[Dax Shepard]

It sounds like a sarcastic way to say you're charming.

[Monica Padman]

Is it like, okay, if, if you're talking to me and we're shaking hands, who says it like, who's charmed?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I feel like I would have. I'd say it like they were charmed, I'm sure. Over you.

[Monica Padman]

By you.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, like you're telling me. Oh, and then I met so and so. Charmed. I'm sure they were. I don't know, but.

[Monica Padman]

I know, but normally it happens. I feel like in a greeting, like in the old times, they would like greet each other and say charmed. I'm sure. So are they talking about themselves like, I just charmed you, I'm sure.

[Dax Shepard]

No, no, I think they're sure that they've been charmed by their guest.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

They're sure of it.

[Monica Padman]

It's bad grammar.

[Dax Shepard]

They're like, let me check in. Yeah, I feel charmed. I think that we owe it to everyone at the end of this ride to compile our. Our 50 sexiest male guests. I'm just saying that Andy's definitely on the list.

[Monica Padman]

50 feels like too many. Yeah. You're the one that always wants me.

[Dax Shepard]

To reduce the list, but they'll be at that point. They'll be thou they'll be over, you know, like 1200 guests. To do 10 would be 1%. Half a percent.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, you're 10.

[Dax Shepard]

What do you want to keep it to 1%? I could agree to that.

[Monica Padman]

It's either going to be 10 or 100 hundred. Cuz you don't let me do hundreds and you only let me do tens.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, then it's going to be the top 10 sexiest. He's still on the list.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

But man, you think of Carmelo Anthony. Your pants exploded. You think of like Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt.

[Monica Padman]

You think of Maddie.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, there's a we've had some thoroughbreds.

[Monica Padman]

Trot Alexander Scars Bo Dwayne Wade. Did you know I learned. Learned in my my aunt's memorial comma sutra.

[Dax Shepard]

Comma K U M A means.

[Monica Padman]

Fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Monica Padman]

It means fun like full of life. And now that makes sense. Kama Sutra, like fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Sexual fun.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Yeah, I learned a lot.

[Dax Shepard]

My favorite type of fun.

[Monica Padman]

All right.

[Dax Shepard]

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