D (3:14)

Yes, I can.

A (3:15)

Look who's joining us today. Aaron Winkley. Do you see him?

B (3:17)

It's me, Monica.

D (3:19)

Oh, there he is.

A (3:22)

Jake, I think I would have been able to guess that you were in the military just by looking at you.

D (3:26)

I definitely saw it on my face for sure.

A (3:28)

Where are you at, brother?

D (3:29)

I'm up in Massachusetts in the western part of the state. Out here.

A (3:32)

Are the leaves starting to change on you?

D (3:34)

We're still a little unseasonably warm, but they're starting to come now. Probably the next couple weeks will be peak leaf.

A (3:40)

Yeah, weekly. And I are going down to North Carolina next week for some leaf change. All right, so you were in the military, and you've got a crazy military story for us. But before you tell it, did you happen to listen to the episode about the Delta Force that were running drugs on the main show?

D (3:53)

I did, and I was at Fort Bragg station there at the same time as the story. Completely lose to it. No idea what's happening.

A (4:01)

Really?

D (4:01)

I was there for the first, like, year of it. And you said like 80 people died that year. I didn't hear of a single one.

A (4:06)

Wow. I think that's one of the most shocking episodes we've ever done.

D (4:09)

Yep. They were referencing places and people I knew and I was like, this is insane that I was there and didn't know about it.

A (4:14)

Yeah, that hundreds of kilos of coke were passing through the base. Okay, so hit us with your story.

D (4:21)

This story takes place in the country of Slovenia, my duty station. At the time I was stationed in Italy. Generic infantryman was my job. Standard foot soldier. You picture when you think of the army really quick.

A (4:31)

Is Italy the dream deployment like that feels like it'd be high on the list for me.

D (4:34)

I was 18 when I got stationed there. I got a piece of paper saying you're going to Italy for two years. And I let loose. I had a great time out there.

A (4:40)

What was the closest big city? You were. Were too. Aaron's already thinking about our week in Italy. I know it. I know. That's why he was giggling.

D (4:46)

Verona, Venice area, Northeastern Italy.

A (4:48)

Okay.

D (4:49)

Yeah.

A (4:49)

That's where we were, Venice. Okay. So from Italy they sent you to.

D (4:53)

Slovenia, next country over a couple hour bus ride we took and kind of our mission in my unit in Italy was training with like our allied forces throughout Europe. So it was a bunch of like joint NATO training exercises, a lot of stuff, just learning from them, them learning from us, just tactics and techniques type of stuff. So this specific time, it was a one week trip to Slovenia. We were on and throughout the week we did a bunch of firing ranges, training tactics, us working with the Slovenian army and kind of the culminating training event took place over the last two days. Slovenian army was pretending to defend this village in the middle of the woods over a 48 pair period. We told them you don't know when it's going to happen, but a huge US force is going to attack the village and they have to try to prevent us from taking it. We were going to start the mission at sunset. The morning of there's a big leaders meeting and everything. They're going over all the routes and the maps and the tactics. The story is going to be mainly about my platoon element, which is about 30 to 40 guys, but there were several platoons, other companies, everyone, big coordinated effort to attack where their reinforcements are coming from, where their support is, the village and everything. It was a big mission, all just training still. And I wasn't a part of this meeting. I didn't look at any maps or anything. I was a bravo team leader, so a small leadership position. I had a couple of guys under me and I really just had to worry about my guys.

A (6:01)

Are you on foot? Are you in a vehicle on foot?

D (6:03)

We probably step off around 8pm and we're supposed to get to the village at like 5am it's pretty rough mountainous terrain, so it's probably, you know, six to eight miles or something. But it's going to take us hours to get there. So at sunset we step off. We have night vision goggles, everything, the whole setup, rucksacks. It's thick. This is like a jungless wilderness terrain. The canopy is so thick the ambient light from the moon and everything can't get through. So our night vision goggles work still, but it's not a good picture. You can just see general shapes and outlines, a slow movement through the woods toward this village.

A (6:33)

And am I right? I think a lot of people think night vision is just like, oh, you can see at night, but that's not true. It's emitting a light. Like you have a light bulb basically in the Goggles. And so if you're not looking and shining your light at it, you're not going to see it.

D (6:45)

Now you have a pretty tight tunnel of vision and you just got to scan back and forth. It only covers one eye, so you can kind of keep your other eye exposed to what's real close to you. But it's dark, you can't see much at all. So our platoon's mission is a couple hours in, we're going to get to like a mortar position that the Sylvanian has set up. A small group of us, my squad plus a couple other teams. So maybe 15 guys are going to go and attack this mortar position because we know once we attack it, they're going to radio back to the village, like, hey, we're getting attacked. It's all timing based and we want them to think, oh, there's a small group of us, even though there's a larger element. So we're going to split off, attack this mortar position and then meet back up on the other side of it with the rest of the platoon and continue to the village where everybody else is going to meet at dawn. So we get to this breakoff point, my squad goes, I'm the Bravo teams. My team's the back half of the formation and we're just following in. We get to it, it goes pretty smoothly. We take the little mortar position without any hassle, as we expected. But during it, the Alpha team leader, the guy who was at all these meetings and saw the maps and the routes, his night vision goggles break. So now he's like, I can't lead anymore. I'm even blinder than I already was. I have to take over. So as a Bravo team leader, now we're going to go in front and lead the way. But I have no idea where I am.

A (7:53)

And there's no talk of like, well, bro, just take my glasses, my goggles.

D (7:58)

No, because this guy was kind of being a baby about it. And I was like, all right, you can wander around in the dark for the next six hours. I'm not going to do that. So we have little Garmin GPSs. The squad leader straps it to my wrist. He's like, you know how to use it? I'm like, nope. He's like, well, there's an arrow on it. Just follow the arrow. It tells you how far, like, you know, 800 meters to go. You can't mess it up. And I definitely messed it up. So after this mortar position, we have about a 10 minute walk to meet up back with the platoon and then I'll be in the back again and just follow them all the way to the village. I can't mess it up for this 10 minute walkabout. And again, it's. It's rough terrain, it's slow moving. I'm lead this out and I'm just looking at my wrist, holding it in front of me, following the arrow. And at one point there's a log I got to straddle to step over to stay in kind of our tactical wedge formation. I've done it probably a dozen times already this night over the last couple hours. And I go to kind of push myself and reach for the ground on the other side, except there is no ground on the other side and I just start plummeting off of a cliff.

A (8:52)

Oh, Jesus.

D (8:53)

I reached out for what I thought was just a skinny tree, but it was the top of a pretty tall tree and I missed it. I'm going down now. It's a few second free fall. I kind of hit halfway down at like a little rock outcraft, spin over, and now I'm just sprawled out on my back on the ground. I land on my rucksack, my rifle to the side. My night vision's knocked off. I knocked the wind out of me. The whole time. It's quiet movement, hand and arm signals, and I just yell halt. Like I don't want anyone to follow me. The squad leader comes up, he's like, hey, are you good? What's going on? I can't see the top of the rim of some ravine or like chasm in the middle of the woods. Just this little pit. It went down probably 15 to 20ft. I said like, yeah, I'm fine. And I just feel around blind on this wall and I just find little rock ledges and I climb back up and I meet up with the squad. And at this point, we're only a minute or two from meeting up with the platoon. So the squad leader leads out and we go in. He's like, all right. I'm like, yeah, my leg kind of hurts, but like, I'll be fine. Let's get a move on. You know, we still have miles and miles to go an hour. So the sun comes up and you're.

A (9:46)

Probably in a little bit of shock and you probably have no idea if you've heard anything. Really?

D (9:49)

Absolutely. I just know my legs a little stiff.

B (9:52)

Embarrassed.

D (9:53)

Yeah. I have these guys that like look up to me. Now I'm just yelling halt in the middle of the woods and I fell off this cliff. I complained about my leg, which already is a red flag for me because I hate complaining. So the next five hours, or whatever it is till the sun comes up, I'm thinking, I hope I have the nastiest bruise on my shin so, like, I don't look like a wimp for even just mentioning that it hurt. So we're back to the mission. We got to get to this village. Everyone has to get there by a certain time to be in their own position so we can all assault it at the same time. So I just start walking up mountains, down mountains. It feels like it takes forever, miles and miles. I keep banging my leg on rocks and sticks and everything, and everyone's miserable, not just me. So I'm like, I just can't wait to get here. And we get there a little early, just before the sun's starting to come up so we can see better. You don't really need your night vision goggles on anymore. Everyone gets in position outside this village, and we have maybe 30 minutes before everybody else is due at the village. I roll over to my butt. Everybody's, you know, in their prone positions, facing out with their rifles, defending the middle. And I finally look at my leg, and I look down, and my camo pants are just soaked in blood. My tan combat boots are the darkest red I've ever seen. The pant legs are all torn up and tattered. My squad leader, who's in charge of me, is sitting right by me, and he notices that I'm now looking at my leg. I peel back the fabric, and I look in. It's just this bubbling abyss of blood and sticks and rocks, and I don't even know how big the wound is. There's blood everywhere. It looks like it stopped bleeding now, maybe a couple hours ago, but clearly a lot of blood loss. He says, my face just goes instantly pale right away, like all the adrenaline is kind of wearing off now. He calls for our platoon medic to come over, who's one of my best buddies, you know, he's joking, walking over, saying, you know, what do you guys need? Stop wasting my time. And he looks at my leg and immediately knows something's wrong and begins to cut my pants and boots off. And he can't believe that I'm sitting there joking with him, saying that I'm fine, we can keep going. But he rinses it out the best he can with his saline water or whatever and wraps it up. And we talk to our platoon sergeant, who is going to make the call on what we're going to do about this if they have to get get me out of there now or if we can wait till afterwards. The decision was it stopped bleeding already. We're going to just wait. Me, the platoon sergeant in charge and the medic are going to sit back and they can handle assault in the village without us. There's another 100 guys, they don't need us. We pull off to the side of this, almost like an ATV trail, maybe 10ft wide that leads away from the village and we're just going to sit there on our rucksacks and joke around, enjoy the morning sun while they attack the village and then we'll get out of there. So we're sitting there on that ATV trail, joking around, my legs propped up. And one side of the trail is a steep drop off, not quite cliff, but over a 45 degree angle. Really rough terrain, thick woods. And the other side is like a small rolling hill up with a little clearing between trees and stuff. And we're sitting there and we hear just sticks breaking coming up this real steep embankment. And we're like, the Sylvanians cannot be coming to attack us right now. There's no way any person would even dare to climb up this. So the medic takes a few steps forward so we can see down this embankment. It's only 10ft across maybe. And he's met coming over the top just by this massive brown bear.

A (12:42)

Oh, a bear.

D (12:44)

Biggest bear I've ever seen in my entire Life. Less than 10ft from us where we're sitting. It was the loudest growl you've ever heard. Belting roar yeah.

A (12:52)

And you don't have any live ammunition, right?

D (12:54)

No. All training rounds, simulation. And even if we could the fight or flight instinct, we all chose flight. Right away. No one was engaging this bear. No one raised their rifle. The platoon sergeant took off up the hill, the medic right behind him. And then he kind of looks and is like, hey, I should probably help Jake up. I'm kind of stumbling to my feet. He helps me up and it's like my leg never happened. I'm full sprint right behind them going up the hill. I like to think the bear chased us, but it kind of just slowly meandered up the hill after us. Probably got 100 or 200 yards ahead of it where we could still see it. And finally we stop and I look at the platoon shark and I'm like, what the hell was that? You abandoned me. And his only words were, I just had to be faster than you. I wasn't Worried about the bear at all? He was getting you. I was getting out of there.

B (13:31)

What happened to no man left behind?

A (13:33)

Also, you smell like blood. I'm sure the bear is like blood everywhere.

D (13:39)

The mission ends. They stop the training in the village. They put me in this little army ambulance. Me and the medic ride back to where we've been camping out for the week, training. And there's like a battalion doctor there. He cleans it all out. And I look down and you can see it's a several inch wound. And it just looks like somebody took like a ice cream scoop and just took all my flesh and muscle out of my leg. And you can just see a good portion of my bone. Oh, everything looks stable. They wrapped it up and just. We're about to take the buses back to Italy. When you get there, just go to the er, have them X ray it, sew it up. I didn't break anything. It healed up fine. Pretty good scar. But there's a large portion of my flesh out in the wilderness somewhere in Slovenia.

A (14:13)

I hope bear got his hands on it somehow. I want that little treat for the bear.

B (14:16)

Yeah, Maybe that's what slowed him down.

D (14:18)

Maybe he caught the Senate. He'd been following us for hours.

A (14:21)

Yes, I'm delighted to hear. My fear was going to be that you were going to tell me that, like, your tibia had gone through your skin or something, that you were going to have a bone hanging out.

D (14:29)

I still feel some divots, so I definitely chipped some parts of my shin on the rocks. I went down, but nothing broke, thankfully.

A (14:35)

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Is that the most hurt you got in the service?

D (14:39)

Yeah, I had a couple of small broken bones, stress fractures, stuff like that. Throw your back out once in a while.

A (14:44)

Are you still in?

D (14:45)

Nope, I'm not. I got out probably four or five years ago.

A (14:48)

Okay, and how long had you been in?

D (14:50)

I did a quick five year contract and I got out.

A (14:53)

And did you dig it?

D (14:54)

Oh, loved it. Best decision I ever made.

A (14:56)

Oh, that's great. Well, Jake, it's really nice to meet you, brother. When you hear these stories of, like, most people are dying of friendly fire, it's like, well, this is how most dangerous things like climbing a mountain in the middle blindfolded. And there's bear.

D (15:07)

There was no real threat, so I decided to make my own. Yeah.

A (15:10)

Yeah. All right, well, great meeting you, man. Thank you so much for telling us that story.

D (15:14)

You as well. Thanks for having me on. I want to give a shout out to my wife, Abby. She's a passionate armchair wrangling. The kids trying to keep him quiet somewhere.

A (15:20)

Send her our love.

D (15:21)

I will. Thank you so much.

A (15:22)

All right, take care, Jake.

E (15:24)

Hi, guys.

D (15:25)

Hi.

A (15:25)

What do you think of this surprise best friend? Aaron Winkley's here.

E (15:28)

I'm so honored to meet you guys.

A (15:30)

Where are you at, Kimberly?

E (15:31)

I am in Colorado.

A (15:33)

Okay, what city in Colorado?

E (15:36)

Colorado Springs.

A (15:37)

And what's the vibe there? This is kind of hippie ish.

E (15:39)

I wouldn't say hippie. That's more bolder. But it's more like a conservative town. A lot of military here, but the Aspens are yellow and the mountains are here and it is a great time to be in Colorado.

A (15:50)

Are you from there originally?

E (15:51)

We are not. Both my husband and I are from Minnesota, but the military brought us to Colorado and here we are.

A (15:57)

Now listen, we feel a great kinship with Minnesota, us Michiganders. Do you feel any kinship with us? Is it a one way street?

E (16:04)

Whenever you talk about how wonderful Michigan is and lake life and all the things, I'm like, yes.

A (16:10)

Snowmobiling. Most people don't snowmobile.

E (16:13)

They're like, what do you mean you're on ice?

A (16:15)

What's happening in those little like mini mobile homes that they're fishing in the shandies, but they're so elaborate.

B (16:20)

They just let them sink when they're done.

E (16:22)

Sure.

A (16:23)

Okay, so, Kimberly, you're currently in the service.

E (16:26)

I am not. My husband was after 23 years. He retired about two years ago.

A (16:30)

Okay, well, you're not old enough to have a husband that retired and was in the service that long.

E (16:35)

Believe it or not, I'm old enough to have that. And also a child who's in the service.

B (16:39)

I would have guessed you were 25.

A (16:41)

Yeah. What skincare line are we using? Right. Okay, hit us with your military.

E (16:47)

So I just want to put a disclaimer before I start. Everybody in this story is okay. There will be some times in the story where you think, but everybody's okay.

A (16:57)

It's like when I watch movies with my kids. I go, huh? Just don't kill the lead character.

E (17:00)

Yeah, exactly. So this takes place in early 2005. My husband was active duty at the time and we had just moved to this tiny Air Force base in southwest Oklahoma. Altus Air Force Base. Shout out if you know. It's probably most people won't. It was our first week there. We had moved there with our two little ones. They were two and eight months old at the time, both little girls. Our big Friday night plans for the first week there was to Go for a walk. We lived kind of right on the edge of town where we were surrounded by fields, country roads. Not much happening in Altus.

A (17:33)

Is it military housing?

E (17:35)

It is. We were in an apartment. We were just going to be there for a couple months and we were like, you know what, we just need some space. So we'd been walking for like 45 minutes. I was walking on the dirt shoulder, I was pushing the stroller, baby in front, two year old in the back, and my husband was actually walking in the ditch. So he was walking at the angle down into the field and we were having a great time and all of a sudden, bam. I am hit from behind. No, I look up and I have been thrown five or six feet. I was in the middle of the road and I look up and I see my husband standing in the ditch still. And we share this like eye contact look. And I tell you, we've been together since we were 17. I have never seen the look that I saw at that moment and never since.

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E (21:28)

So we lock eyes and we turn our heads down to the road and we see a car slam on its brakes. And this is kind of hard to hear, but when they slam on the brakes, we see this stroller that had hooked onto the front bumper disconnect and break apart. So the front is tumbling one way, the back is tumbling another way, end over end into this field.

A (21:53)

Oh my God. With an eight month old.

E (21:56)

Yes. And as soon as we see the car stop and the stroller disconnect, car peels away. No, everything you would see in a movie, like squealing. So we get up and we start running. And vaguely in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, my back really hurts, my leg really hurts. But you don't care. I run to the two year old, he runs to the baby. And when I get there, her face is just blood, there's mucus and tears. And she's screaming and the baby's screaming. And my husband looks at me and he goes, are you hurt? Where are you hurt? And I Was like, my back hurts and my leg hurts. He's like, lay down in the field right now. You have to put her down. In my head I know he's right. But in that moment you're like, I can't even do this. But I lay down. And right as that's happening, another car pulls up. We have not seen another car for 45 minutes. And she says, I saw what happened, how can I help? And he says, follow that car. He gives him a description of the vehicle, says, Call 911, tell them what happened. So she takes off and we're just in this field, I'm laying here, he's got two screaming kids trying to call 911.

A (22:59)

Is the eight month old bleeding?

E (23:01)

No, she's not bleeding, but she is screaming. And you know those baby cries where it's like she's not annoyed, she's not hungry, she is just terrified.

B (23:10)

Was she in the stroller still or.

E (23:12)

No, they didn't get thrown, thank goodness. They were still buckled in. But the baby and I get transported to the hospital via ambulance and the two year old, they found out she just bit through her lip. So there was a lot of blood. But they could kind of treat her there. So she stays with my husband. So we're gone and shortly after we leave, the police get a call that they found the car. Oh boy. And they found the car at a car wash where the driver was actively scrubbing the stroller paint off the vehicle. They're like, we need you to identify the vehicle. So he and my two year old jump in the back of a cop car and drive to the car wash and identify the vehicle. And she is subsequently arrested for her actions.

A (23:55)

Was she drunk or are we finding this out later?

E (23:57)

We don't know.

B (23:58)

Did she say she hit a deer?

E (24:00)

She didn't say much.

A (24:02)

I hit a deer that was in a baby carriage.

B (24:04)

Family of deer.

E (24:05)

Exactly. I spent the night in the hospital. My leg was not broken, but I couldn't weight bear on it for several weeks and had some internal stuff. But the baby was released right away and so we kind of move on and try to heal, but knowing we're gonna have to come back to alt for a trial. Fast forward a year and we are back in Altus because he's got another school that he's got to go to and they scheduled the trial for when we were going to be there. I'm not sure. The city of Altus has a lot of money to fly witnesses in and out, so I am newly pregnant, very, very Sick.

A (24:35)

Okay, wait, number three already? You guys are in a hurry.

E (24:38)

Well, that tends to happen, Dax. They tell us to be there at 8 and we are. And. And we're just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. And I don't have a ton of experience with the criminal justice system. I have no idea if this is normal. I assume that judges are pretty busy people, but it's afternoon and we haven't been called back yet. We finally get called back and the judge says, well, I'm sure everybody knows about the hubbub at the courthouse this morning. And my husband and I look at each other and we're like, did you see a hubbub? I did not see any sort of hubbub. Apparently her attorney that she hired drove a significant distance intoxicated when he got to the parking ramp. You know that the gate thing completely took it out, drove through it, caused a ton of damage to the parking ramp, the courtyard area, the courthouse, everything.

A (25:29)

Was she related to her attorney? Sounds like a family member or something. What a mess.

E (25:35)

Once again, the police, everybody. We are big news in Elton. Obviously, we can't have the trial that day because her attorney's in jail. So we had to reschedule the trial. It's a whole thing.

A (25:44)

Really quick. We gotta acknowledge the condition of this man's addiction because it's an 8am trial and he drove along with it. Means he got the cocktails going at.

B (25:52)

Like 6am Yes, I was thinking that too. I have been to court for drunk driving and I showed up drunk in court every time the night before, saying, you can't be drunk. And my lawyer was a friend and he said, just don't be drunk. That's all you have to do. And I couldn't do it. So, yeah, I'm guessing he started the night before.

A (26:13)

I have the picture of him. I picture a guy in a suit that's not tucked in very well. And I picture him overweight for some reason. I got a whole image of him.

B (26:20)

Maybe balding and a disheveled tie.

E (26:23)

Ms. Button shirt. We have the trial. She has some consequences for her actions. And we just go on and heal and do our best to kind of forget. But that was a crazy move.

A (26:34)

I feel like I would have forever ptsd. Anytime I'm walking in the flow of traffic or riding a bike, I just like once, you know, someone can blast into you even though you're visible. I feel like it would ruin me.

E (26:44)

Yeah, it does. It definitely sticks with you. And you're hyper aware all the time of what's going on around you and everything. It messed my 2 year old up for a while. Every time she heard sirens, she just cried.

B (26:55)

Is that something she remembered?

E (26:57)

Funny enough, the only thing she remembers is riding in the cop car. Which is great.

A (27:00)

Yeah.

E (27:01)

But a potential SIM moment is that the 2 year old is now 23 and she graduated from Air Force pilot training this summer. And she is currently at Altis learning how to fly the plane that her dad was flying when all of this happened.

B (27:18)

No way.

E (27:19)

The baby is now 21, she's going to graduate from college this December and she is going to be an army combat nurse.

A (27:25)

Okay, hold on. How emotional is your husband at the notion that his little girl's going to fly? Fly? Oh, I would die if Lincoln did that.

E (27:34)

It's quite precious. He's so proud.

A (27:36)

Oh, man, do they get on. Did they like get together and talk airplanes and stuff?

E (27:41)

Yes. And she'll call him and be like, hey, dad, what's going on with this? Oh, okay. Well, here you go. And I'm like, well, that's my cue.

A (27:47)

Oh, that's so sweet. Well, Kimberly, I'm so sad that you were mowed down in the street. I mean, that's fucking gruesome. What was the age of the woman driver?

E (27:57)

She was young, 20 or 21. And by the time the trial hit, I had come to a kind of place of compassion for her. She's young, she wasn't driving her car, she didn't have insurance, she wasn't supposed to be driving the car. And she probably thought she killed us and fight or flight took over. And while it's the wrong choice, you can see how she got there.

A (28:19)

Yeah, I'm glad to hear you say that because I was gonna attempt to be compassionate without being disrespectful to you, but yeah, when you're 20, man, and something like that, I can't even imagine the way to something like that happen.

B (28:29)

Was there an amends later in life?

E (28:31)

Not personally. I remember talking to my husband about it around the trial and kind of relaying the same thing. He's like, well, I can see your point, but she did almost kill my family, so I don't have as much compassion for her as you do. Which I was like, yeah, that's fair.

A (28:44)

Yeah, I'm still at the kind of fuck her phase of this process.

E (28:51)

But I did just want to take a second and say thank you to you, Dax, especially for doing those USO shows back in the day. As somebody whose husband was there a lot during that time, it just meant a lot that people would take time and go and just give them a little bit of levity. Give them something to think about other than where they were. And I know you say it was your honor and you say all the right things, but I just wanted to say from the other side of things, thank you for doing that.

A (29:16)

Oh, I'm so happy to hear you say that. Give our love to your husband and your three little ones that are now big. And thanks for that story. Great to meet you, Kimberly.

E (29:24)

Great to meet you guys, Kimberly.

A (29:26)

All right, bye. Take care.

D (29:29)

You guys ready for Trevor?

A (29:30)

No, but I'm ready for Trev. Big T, Big T. Little rev.

D (29:37)

Hoochie coochie.

A (29:40)

Hello, can you hear us?

F (29:42)

Hey, I hear you. Can you hear me?

A (29:43)

Oh, I can hear you wonderfully. Meet best friend Aaron Weekley. He's joining us today.

F (29:47)

Hey, Aaron, how you doing?

B (29:49)

I'm doing great, buddy. Great to meet you.

A (29:51)

Yeah.

F (29:51)

Good to meet you guys.

A (29:52)

Now, is the full name Trevor and you go by Trev?

F (29:55)

Yeah, I go by Trev. Full name is Trevor.

B (29:56)

Has anyone ever called you Big T, little R, E, B, hoochie coochie?

F (30:02)

Never that specifically, but there's always a first for that, so I like it.

A (30:06)

I don't know if you've ever heard me say this, but I only met a few Trevors in my life, and all three of them were the coolest dudes in that grade.

F (30:14)

Lot to live up to, right?

B (30:15)

Yeah.

A (30:15)

He knows. He knows. Where are you at, Trev?

F (30:17)

Easton, Pennsylvania.

A (30:19)

Eastern Pennsylvania.

F (30:21)

Easton?

A (30:21)

Where's that?

F (30:22)

Western border of Jersey, if you know. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

A (30:25)

Bethlehem Steel.

F (30:27)

Bethlehem Steel. Stacks.

D (30:28)

Yep.

F (30:28)

So we're right next door to them.

A (30:29)

Oh, okay. So you were in the military?

F (30:31)

Yeah, 12 years. Just got out this past June.

A (30:34)

Oh, no kidding. Did you enlist right out of high school?

F (30:36)

I did, yeah.

A (30:37)

What branch?

F (30:38)

I was Army National Guard.

A (30:39)

Did you happen to hear the episode we did about Fort Bragg?

F (30:42)

No, I actually listened to my first episode of you guys this morning.

A (30:45)

Oh, no shit. I'm gonna guess your wife told you to tell this story.

F (30:48)

Yes, exactly. Yeah.

A (30:50)

Perfect.

F (30:50)

So my wife has been like a day one armchairy. She loves you guys. She's like, oh, you gotta listen to the show and all that stuff. I've always been.

A (30:57)

Be honest. You must hate my guts if my wife was always talking about some guy.

F (31:01)

You're actually my best friend. Because it saves her from calling me on her commute home, so I have a lot of time.

D (31:08)

Okay.

A (31:08)

Okay. Well, then you're welcome, I guess.

D (31:11)

Yeah. Thank you.

F (31:12)

She Told me to listen to the foreign objects in butt story.

A (31:15)

Oh, it's a good one.

F (31:17)

I already signed up for this story, obviously, before I listened to the show. And then I listened to it this morning on my commute in. It's like, oh, man, I'm not prepared for this. It's going to be another but story.

A (31:26)

There can never be too many but stories.

F (31:28)

This is another butt, but military themed.

A (31:30)

Wonderful. All right, hit us.

F (31:32)

Okay. This is way back in basic training. When I went through in 2013, I went through in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. And our story starts one night in December. We're just three weeks away from graduation. We had one more field training exercise scheduled. So on this night in particular, I had a shift for patrolling our little camp that we set up. It was from 1 to 3am There was about 2ft of snow on the ground. Wind chill was making it like negative 5, negative 10 degrees. Just miserable weather. So here I am in the cold, 18 years old, questioning my life choices, walking around in the cold. I see this opportunity for some warmth. And it's a large generator sitting in the center of our camp, blowing warm air out of all the exhaust vents and everything. So I was like, you know what? Make my way over there. I'll warm up real quick. So I start with my hands. I'm putting it over the exhaust, just trying to get some warmth. I'm like, you know what? I got to take it a step further. So I undo my plate carrier. I'm trying to get the exhaust vents into my top and everything.

A (32:21)

And are you worried at all about carbon monoxide? None. I bet at 18, I wasn't very smart.

F (32:26)

At 18, who was right?

A (32:27)

You're just kind of strapping yourself to an exhaust pipe.

F (32:30)

I don't know what emissions are. You know, just go with it. Right. You know, I'm like, this isn't enough. I need more. I'm gonna get more warmth. So I'm just taking it a step further. You know, I'm doing my whole top. I'm trying to get the air down the front and back end of my trousers.

A (32:43)

Oh, wow.

F (32:44)

Yeah, it's not great.

A (32:45)

So counterintuitive as well, because you're cold, but you're getting naked outside in the snow.

F (32:49)

Yeah. Again, not the smartest decision.

B (32:51)

Too hot now.

A (32:52)

Yeah. Sweating bullets.

F (32:55)

Too cold and too tired for it to make sense. I look up suddenly at this big generator, and I see an even bigger exhaust vent on the top of the generator. And I'm like, you know what? That's the one I Gotta get up there and try it out. Without a second thought, I hop up there, I drop all my trousers, drop all common sense as well, and I hop bare ass right onto this large exhaust vent. Wow. Again, not very smart. But you know what? I gotta tell you, like, in that exact moment, it was the best feeling because you had the warmth going up all in your little nasty bits and everything, just warming your whole body up.

A (33:27)

I might even get aroused in that scenario. I think about that hot air blowing against my nuts.

F (33:32)

A few seconds of gratification is like, ah, you know, this feels great. But all right, I'm warm enough now I got to stop dilly dally and get back on patrol. I go to basically hop off this generator and I can't. I'm stuck.

B (33:44)

Oh, God.

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F (37:29)

So I'm like, all right, well, hey, maybe I got my pants caught on something. But then I look down, I'm like, wait, no, dummy, you're not wearing pants. So what am I stuck on? Oh, I'm looking down still. It's dark and everything. I had Christmas storied my ass to this generator. The moisture and the heat and the cold metal just stuck on there.

A (37:47)

So you had, like, ice binding you to the generator? Generator on your butt cheeks?

B (37:51)

Yeah.

A (37:52)

Oh, my goodness.

F (37:52)

All the science that I don't understand. Yeah, so I got stuck on that thing. So now I got to figure out a solution to get myself off of Here with the least amount of pain possible and hopefully nobody finding out. I got a few options. Option one, I call to the nearest tent, get some buddies to help me off. Get. Maybe get some, like, hot water and a spatula. Everybody will laugh at me. They'll give me a stupid nickname. Option two, I can just grip the side of the generator and just rip off of here and just worry about the pain and the damage later. So I'm like, I don't really want to do that. The cynical side. Option three is like, I say, here I die from exposure. Best case scenario, it makes a good story. And, like, they make a safety PowerPoint from me. And I'm famous for that. So I'm like, no, all right, I'll go with option one. So I'm looking around, maybe I'll, like, try and get somebody's attention. But then I'm thinking, well, the drill sergeants are going to find out about it, right? And then if they find out about it, they're probably going to smoke everybody. Because, one, I was off patrol. Two, I kind of got undressed in the middle of this patrol camp.

A (38:44)

I mean, I would think I'm seeing something really perverted.

F (38:47)

Yeah. 1am naked guy sitting on his.

D (38:49)

Nervous.

A (38:49)

This guy's so horny.

B (38:51)

Horny.

A (38:51)

What's he doing?

B (38:52)

In your defense, who would ever guess you would get stuck?

A (38:56)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

F (38:57)

I sure didn't. So I was like, all right, you know what? Too much time has passed. I gotta make a decision. I hear some of the tents, like, stirring next to me. Maybe somebody's getting up and just instant panic. I'm like, all right, no, I don't want anybody to find out. Fuck it. I'm just gonna go. I rock back and just rip myself off of this generator. It's not a cool story. I didn't have any action hero landing. I just eight, full face right into the snow. Pants around my ankles. Just not graceful, just hideous. Try to recover. I pulled my pants back up.

A (39:27)

Did you get a sense that the skin on your butt cheeks had torn off?

F (39:30)

I couldn't feel anything at this point because it was so cold. So I'm like, all right, I'll be fine. It's okay. We'll worry about the pain, whatever later. Just let me get my gear back on, get back on patrol. So fast forward a little bit. Near the end of patrol, I'm going to go get the relief take over for me. And I was like, you know what? Let me just walk past the generator one more time. I see something on top of the generator. And then I'm like, like, why is there, like, this pancake on top of the generator? And like, why is it flapping? And also, like, why is it red? It was basically half of my ass left behind all bloody spotted. It started to get frosted too, you know, because it was snowing. But nobody found out.

A (40:06)

Okay, but do you not need medical attention at this point? No.

F (40:09)

So luckily I had, like, these baby wipes. Probably not the right medical care for it. Obviously, I had some ointment, like the powders and stuff, and just concoctions of whatever I had in my bag at the time. Some miracle. I did not get a single infection. I mean, it's scarred to hell right now, and it looks terrible. You can ask my wife. It's like Hamburger Helper. Everything's fine, though. It's good. Made it through, nobody found out. And let's see another day you continue.

B (40:32)

Training without a butt cheek.

A (40:35)

Yeah, this happened on a previous call. It's like, you hear about all these friendly fire episodes or different ways guys are dying, not getting shot. It's like, yeah, there's just too much time of doing too much weird stuff. You're, like, trying to get warm. Certainly other insane stuff's happening like that around the clock because you're just by your. Yourself bored out of your mind.

F (40:54)

I was thinking of what story to tell. My wife told me about this prompt. I was like, I've been on two combat deployments. Had a lot of good stories there, but usually they have, like, a little darker side to them. But she's like, no, tell the butt story. Okay, all right, I'll tell that story.

B (41:08)

Great choice. Yeah.

A (41:10)

And what do you do once you're out and you've been in there for 12 years? How do you resume a civilian career? Like, what's that look like?

F (41:16)

I basically got lucky. I got a job where my wife used to work at this college in Pennsylvania, and now I do chemical hygiene. So nothing, nothing even remotely close to what I did in the military. I was a combat engineer, so I did demolitions, clearing obstacles, a lot of fortifications, and working with, like, infantry guys, special forces, stuff like that on deployments.

A (41:35)

And are you annoyed when you're watching action movies, the way they're handling the explosives? You're like, that's not how it works 1000%.

F (41:41)

Yeah, I try and keep my mouth shut. You know, I don't bother my wife with that stuff during the movies. It's like, oh, that's not what that sounds like.

A (41:46)

Well, Trev, I'm Glad you made it. And if I had to have a big gnarly scar somewhere in my body, it would definitely be my. But because it's already a disgusting feature on me.

B (41:54)

Yeah, why not?

F (41:55)

There are definitely worse things out there.

D (41:57)

Yeah.

F (41:58)

Do you guys mind if I give a few shout outs?

A (41:59)

Paul, we would love to hear some shout outs.

F (42:01)

My wife is really hoping she could be here for it, but she couldn't. She actually sent me something to say on her behalf.

D (42:06)

Oh, good.

F (42:06)

I was like, no, no, that's too long. Give me something short. So she resent it. And it was like the same length.

A (42:10)

Okay, great. What's her name?

F (42:11)

Her name's Katie. So she says, first off, shout out to Kristen for introducing me to the pod way back when. We're a true Day One Armchair series. Monica and Dax, thank you for keeping me company on my long commutes this past year while my husband Trev was deployed. Normally, I'd call him on the drive home, but during that time, I knew I could count on you both to ride along with me. And a special thank you to Dax. In my work as a children's counselor for kids impacted by domestic and sexual violence, I facilitate narrative therapy where kids create their own stories of survival. Part of that process is showing them examples of people who have been through hard things and chosen to share their story with Cross. Your honesty about your experiences have given me something real and relatable to share in those moments. And even getting to share snippets of Armchair in Session. It shows kids who that survivorship isn't something to be ashamed of, but something that could be powerful and inspiring. I can't thank you enough for giving them and me that reminder.

A (42:59)

You got a good one. We love her.

F (43:01)

Yeah, she really loves your show.

A (43:03)

Oh, wonderful.

B (43:04)

Thanks for that Great story, Trev.

F (43:06)

Yeah, it was great to meet you guys. Thank you again for your time.

A (43:08)

It's all I can do not to ask to see the butt cheek, but I'm gonna let you know.

D (43:11)

Yeah, me too.

F (43:12)

I'm at work with right now, so I can't really do that anymore.

B (43:15)

I was hoping you would.

A (43:17)

We'll catch you on a cold day when you get naked next time. We'll take a peek.

F (43:20)

Absolutely.

A (43:21)

All right, be well.

F (43:22)

Take care.

A (43:24)

It made me think, did I ever show you the picture of Kenny when we went on those, like, downhill in New Zealand? You're, like, on a paved sidewalk on these little plastic carts with wheels, and you're going so fast, and all you can do is pull this handle to break And Kenny got hit from behind by somebody and then got thrown off a mountain, but his entire butt cheek turned black. Have you seen those pictures?

G (43:44)

I don'.

A (43:45)

Oh, it's crazy. His whole butt cheek didn't fall off. It was just black. Textbook Kenny experience. Scott, can you hear us?

G (43:55)

Yes. Can you hear me?

A (43:56)

Oh, I sure can.

B (43:58)

Hi, Scott, it's Monica. Can you hear me?

G (44:00)

I think you are best friend Aaron Weekly. You don't look like Monica.

A (44:04)

Nice. This is a fun surprise, right?

G (44:06)

Scott, this is amazing. The first time I wrote in and get the email from him, I was just blown away.

A (44:11)

And where are you at? I see an enormous filing cabinet behind.

D (44:14)

Behind you.

G (44:14)

I'm essentially in a storage closet at work right now. I just kind of locked myself away for a few minutes to do this.

A (44:21)

Is there any risk of you getting fired over this?

G (44:23)

None at all. I very much told my boss that this is happening. He's fully on board. He said, you got to send me the recording when you're done.

A (44:29)

Okay, great. And where are you, Scott?

G (44:31)

I'm in the Midwest. I'm just outside of Minneapolis in Minnesota.

A (44:34)

You're our second Minnesota today and I'm going to ask you the same question I asked them. So us as Michiganders feel this kind of deep kinship with you guys. Is it mutual?

G (44:42)

It is definitely mutual. We can't stand the folks that stand in between us.

D (44:46)

Yes.

G (44:47)

Which would be the Wisconsinites.

B (44:48)

I'm so happy to hear that from both people today because I was scared that maybe it wasn't.

G (44:53)

It's extremely universal.

A (44:55)

Yeah. Oh, good. Because we got the land of 10,000 lakes and the Great Lakes State. I think that's. These are the only two states with lake in the moniker.

G (45:02)

We just have to reach around Wisconsin and we'll be fine.

D (45:04)

Yes.

A (45:05)

And have you done any snowmobiling?

G (45:06)

Oh, yeah, Lots of snowmobilings.

A (45:08)

Yeah, he said it like, don't be offensive. Of course.

B (45:10)

Next question.

A (45:13)

Okay, so, Scott, you have a military story.

G (45:15)

I do. So I've been in the Navy for about 10 years, years now. And by designation I am a submarine officer. So my story takes place at my first permanent duty station, which was a nuclear powered submarine.

A (45:27)

Okay, I've got a hundred questions before you tell me this story. I would go mad in there. You're deployed sometimes for months. No, on that submarine it's six or.

G (45:37)

Seven months at a time. That's right.

A (45:38)

Oh, Aaron, can you imagine being underwater in a tube for half a year? What kind of systems are in place to make sure everyone doesn't lose their mark marbles. Is there, like, a lot of protocol for that?

G (45:50)

Losing marbles is not necessarily the top priority.

A (45:53)

Okay.

G (45:53)

You kind of go through Groundhog Day. There's lots of games, there's movies pretty much on all the time. When the switch came out, that was huge.

A (46:00)

Any, like, area you go to to.

G (46:02)

Replicate sunlight, there is nothing special about the lights in there. There's no vitamin D lights. There's no sunlight whatsoever. So you get a lot of really, really pale dudes when you come up from the deployment.

B (46:14)

A bunch of ghosts getting out of that sub.

G (46:16)

Oh, the sunscreen comes out immediately.

A (46:18)

What's been your own mental ride on that? Like, by the end of the six months, are you like, okay, we gotta get the fuck out of this tube?

G (46:25)

Pretty much. And it just so happened that my deployment in that six months was right when Covid broke out. So I was really debating on what story to tell from the boat. The other story, which I wouldn't go into, is we're pretty sure we got the first strain of COVID coming out of, like, Southeast Asia run through the boat.

A (46:42)

Oh, boy.

G (46:43)

That was pretty crazy. And we did know it at the time, but there was a really, really bad flu that went through the entire boat and just knocked people out. And we found out later that there was a pandemic going on.

A (46:53)

Yeah, because I was going to say the probably the only upside of being on that submarine is that, like, no pathogens are getting in. Like, if everyone got unhealthy, we're going to have a six months without a cold. But not the case.

G (47:03)

We pulled in to Japan, and then a week later, everyone was sick. But that was before we even heard what Covid was.

A (47:09)

Was that like a January situation? Because I got it. I feel like before it was.

G (47:14)

That's right. We pulled in in December, and then that following Jan, everyone was sick. So the story I decided to tell was definitely for you because it's the grossest one. Oh, good. It's also considered a large scale unauthorized evacuation.

A (47:28)

Wonderful.

D (47:29)

Great.

A (47:30)

Wonderful. Thank you.

G (47:31)

One of the questions I get asked pretty often is what we do with all the trash and human waste. So the short answer is all the trash, all the poop tanks, everything has to go overboard. It gets emptied into the ocean. There's big holding tanks called sanitary tanks or sand tanks. And when they fill up, we got to put them overboard.

A (47:46)

And I hate to ask this, but it's like the fish just love it. Or fish just fucking eating the hell out of that human waste.

G (47:52)

You can hear fish you can hear whales. You can hear shrimp.

D (47:55)

Shrimp.

G (47:56)

Shrimp are actually the loudest. There's so much clicking and just random.

A (47:59)

Noises from them swimming through a couple hundred gallons of fucking Navy waste.

G (48:06)

Hundreds of pounds of waste. The toilet system on a submarine is not like the flushing system at home. It's not even like what you would see on an airplane where they have, like the vacuum system. There's essentially just two different valves. So there's one at the top which would bring in new water, and one at the bottom which drains it down, and it just gravity falls into the holding tank. There's no pressure to the system whatsoever. So you're just replacing what's in the toilet with fresh water.

A (48:29)

Dumb question. Is there a grinder? Because the bus has a grinder, the.

G (48:33)

Trash system has, like a compactor, and then the sand tanks have filters, and those filters do clog up. So there's very strict requirements about what you're able to put into the toilets. Ultimately, if you put something that's not going to go through the filter, some poor dude has to go down there and get it out.

B (48:50)

Diarrhea only, please.

D (48:53)

That's right.

G (48:55)

So there's two different ways that you can empty the sand tanks. They can either get pumped out. That tends to take a little bit longer and it's a little bit louder. So submarines are trying to stay quiet. The other way you can do it is you can pressurize the tank with high pressure air and then just open the hull valve and high pressure air pushes everything out into the ocean.

A (49:13)

I'd like to see that.

G (49:14)

The key with that, you absolutely, positively cannot open any inside drains because then the inside becomes the path of least resistance. You have several hundred pounds of high pressure air, and if you open up the drain valve to your toilet, it's just going to go back up to the toilet. That's your path of least resistance.

A (49:31)

Yeah, yeah. Like a geyser.

G (49:33)

That's right. There's two more important things to note before I actually say what happened. The first thing is that there's a lot of other things that drain to these tanks than just the toilets. So there's the shower, the sinks, the galley, which is our kitchen. Anything in there drains down to these tanks. And then the last thing is there's an emergency announcement circuit. The biggest thing is if you saw like a fire, you could call it away. And this announcing circuit cuts everything else out on the boat so no one can talk on the phone. If this announcing circuit is on, it goes to all the controlling stations. So you could get people moving in the right direction, set off the alarm, wake people up, things like that. So there's a day on deployment where we needed to blow the sand tanks overboard. And we'd done it many times. We do it every couple of days. And the person lining up the system to do it is kind of going through their process. They hang these big red signs on each of the toilets to say, like, we're blowing the sand tanks. Don't use the toilet. Right now I'm sitting in the wardroom, I'm just doing some work on my computer, and all of a sudden I hear on the emergency announcing circuit, someone just very frantically say, stop blowing the sand tank. Immediately something has gone wrong. I open up the door from the wardrobe to, like, go out and see what has happened. And the door from the wardroom, which is like where we eat, goes right into the the kitchen. And I walk into it. It turns out that the valve for a sink and then a floor drain in the kitchen were left open when they pressurized the sand tank.

A (50:51)

Oh, this is the worst place to spray the shit.

G (50:54)

It's right into the kitchen. So just like you said, it makes an absolute geyser of shit water that comes up from the sink and the floor drain, it hits the ceiling and then just mushrooms from there.

A (51:09)

Oh, my God.

G (51:10)

The counter, the pots and pans, utensils, everything in there, every inch of the galley is absolutely bathed in shit. And it goes on for like a minute before the person who was like, lining up the system are able to go isolate the high pressure air. And then the high pressure air bleeds off. So you're still got like residual pressure in the system. So it goes on for like a full minute of just this shit geyser.

A (51:33)

And it's gallons, right?

G (51:35)

Oh, yes. And everything is built for flooding. So the galley area is closed off from the next room over. And so in the galley you have like ankle deep shit water that had built up by the time they turned it off, but it covered every square inch of the kitchen.

B (51:48)

Oh, did you throw up?

G (51:50)

I didn't, no. The smell was there for weeks.

A (51:52)

Oh, God. Were the foods being made?

G (51:55)

So people then for cleanup were wearing waist high. Waiters going through this stuff. And we used every ounce of bleach and cleaning supplies that we had on board to try and clean up this mess. It was horrendous.

A (52:08)

Is there ever any talk, talk of like, gang, we gotta surface and go to a port. This is worthy of interrupting the mission.

B (52:15)

We need a reset here.

G (52:17)

You would be surprised at the creature comforts that get placed on the wayside for the mission sets. That is not something that would pull you off station.

A (52:26)

And you also have this crazy time crunch now because it's going to take obviously a day or two to clean this place up, but yet you got to feed everyone.

G (52:33)

So we had uncooked meals for about two days which would be be like cold cut sandwiches, something where you just gotta defrost it and heat it up type of thing. But we're using paper plates because you couldn't do any dishes. We're using plastic utensils.

A (52:47)

And it's not like you can just spray the place down. It's going to go back down the drain necessarily. You got to get this out of there.

G (52:52)

And it's in every crevice possible in there. This is during deployment, so we still got a full deployment left to go. And at some point you kind of just had to get past it. This is where we still got to cook our food.

A (53:03)

Anyone get dysenter?

G (53:05)

I don't think anybody actually got sick, but I do know that the doc was ready to medicate people up.

B (53:11)

Is there men and women in the sub?

G (53:13)

The boat I was on was males only. But there are definitely integrated crews now, which is amazing. We absolutely need females in the submarine force. Some of the most badass submariners I know are females. But the boat I was on was all males.

B (53:27)

Not like it should matter, but I was hoping. Cause it seemed like, like men are definitely more deserving of a disaster like this.

A (53:34)

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad they're integrated and I'm so glad no women had to be a part of this.

G (53:40)

Right. It was honestly like a huge shot to the captain's ego. He said something like, I've heard of other boats that this happens to and you hear about this in stories, but man, I didn't think it would happen to my boat.

A (53:51)

And obviously we can isolate who was specifically responsible for not closing the valves. Right. What did that dude feel like?

G (53:59)

That dude felt pretty bad. And unfortunately, because it was a procedural violation, he does need to get into some trouble. They go to something called Captain's Mast, which is kind of our version of the UCMJ where you know, if you're out at sea, the captain is judge, jury and executioner. So they did lay down some punishment. But the guy was honestly a really hard worker and nobody thought too poorly of him. You know, he survived.

A (54:22)

No one code redded him in his bed that night.

G (54:25)

He was not ostracized or anything like that. He was part of the cleaning crew.

B (54:28)

That's why I took so long. It was only him.

A (54:31)

Yeah, yeah, you did it. You, you fix it.

G (54:34)

There were some sorry folks and waiters for a couple days. Those almost certainly went in the trash compactory.

A (54:40)

Some whale ate the rubber.

B (54:42)

Right from that to the whale's mouth.

A (54:46)

I mean, they are a marvel of technology. The fact that they can go underwater for six months is like kind of incomprehensible.

G (54:52)

They are a marvel of technology not built for human creature comforts.

D (54:57)

Yeah.

A (54:57)

And what happens with air? Are they breaking down water into oxyge?

G (55:01)

Yes. We have electrolysis on the oxygen generator. That's only creating fresh oxygen. The rest of the air and what's in your breathing air is all recycled. So the nitrogen and everything else that comprises air and then the CO2 gets scrubbed out of the air and pumped out the back.

A (55:19)

Wow, man. Wild. Well, Scott, what a wonderful glimpse into that bizarre world. I've always been dying to talk to someone who has been on one of those for some six months. Well, it's lovely meeting you, brother. I'm so glad that you were able to take 20 minutes to chat with us.

G (55:32)

This is so fun. Thank you so much for having me. I hope you know how much of a great impact you have on, on everyone listening.

A (55:37)

Oh, thank you, man. I appreciate it. All right, see ya. Oh, boy.

B (55:42)

Aaron.

A (55:43)

The closest I've had to that is I went down into the basement of the old house. This happened actually more than once. I went down in the basement and there was ankle high water from a toilet that the sewer main got clogged and then all the pressure from upstairs just kept dumping in the back basement. Have you had that?

B (55:58)

I had it at the bar. It was the most disgusting. It blew a cap off of the drain and it flooded it with not only. And piss. There was tampons. There was everything everyone had flushed down those toilets. It was karma wrapped up with a bow.

A (56:15)

I hone in on these moments where I look at something and I go, I can't do this. And then I go, but I have to do this, this. Like no one else is going to clean the basement up. I know that. I stared at it for like a half hour trying to figure out how I wasn't going to have to do it. And then at some point you just accept you're going to have to do it.

B (56:34)

That's the worst. A sub. What a nightmare. Oh, I would throw that sub in the garbage.

A (56:41)

When we got back. I would just scuttle it and send it to the bottom of the ocean for the whales to nibble on whatever's leaking out of the shrimp. You know those shrimp ended up on a plate. Those shrimp that eat all the always.

D (56:55)

Of course.

A (56:56)

All right. I love you.

B (56:57)

Love you.

D (57:00)

Do you want to sing a tune or something? We have a theme song.

A (57:02)

Oh, okay, great. We don't have a them song for this new show so here I go, go, go. We're going to ask some random questions and with the help of arm cherries we'll get some suggestion on the flyer rhyme dish on the flyer rhyme dish.

D (57:24)

Enjoy.

A (57:27)

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