Chace Crawford

Summary

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard – Chace Crawford (May 11, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode features actor Chace Crawford, best known for "Gossip Girl" and "The Boys." Dax Shepard, alongside co-host Lily Padman, dives into Chace's journey from Texas roots to Hollywood success, the psycho-social effects of early fame, his struggles and self-discoveries as an actor, and the behind-the-scenes world of two culturally influential TV series. With honesty, warmth, and plenty of humor, the conversation explores friendship, the complexities of celebrity, sobriety, and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Life, Family & Moving Around ([08:39]–[14:12])

• Background: Born in Lubbock, TX, moved to Oklahoma City for father’s med school, then to Minnesota before settling in Plano, TX.

• Family: Mother was a "cool" substitute teacher; father a dermatologist. Sister Candace was Miss Missouri and a sports journalist.

• Cultural Impact: Chace reflects on his shifting identity across Southern and Midwest influences and the social challenges of frequent moves.

  "I remember being in Minnesota and being like, what do I say? Who do I say I am? ... Is it Oklahoma? Am I from the South?" – Chace ([10:52])

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2. School, People-Pleasing, and Adolescence ([13:33]–[16:08])

• School Struggles: Did well academically but "collapsed" after early heartbreak and burnout in a strict private high school.

• Therapy Insight: Chace openly identifies as a people-pleaser, stemming from needing to make new friends through constant moves—a survival mechanism.

• Boundaries & Growth: Both Dax and Chace discuss the lifelong tension between the helpful and harmful sides of these traits.

  "That was kind of part of it. Having to move to Oklahoma and then Minnesota and back and always make, like, a new group of friends was sort of how I learned to survive." – Chace ([11:45])

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3. College & Early LA Life ([16:25]–[25:56])

• Pepperdine Experience: Chose it to escape Texas, drawn by the California vibe and desire for independence.

• Religion: Attended Baptist and Church of Christ schools, commenting on the strictness of Pepperdine.

• Valet Stories: Memorable, sometimes reckless days of valeting in Malibu, including celebrity encounters and learning to drive stick ("lied" on the application).

  "I said I could drive stick. Did not know how to drive stick." – Chace ([19:01])

  "There was fire coming through." – Chace, about burning a clutch ([19:06])

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4. Acting Genesis and The Value of People-Pleasing ([25:56]–[27:30])

• Acting Class: Started in a serious Meisner class, drawn by its abstraction and challenge with zero industry pressure.

• First Roles: Landed "The Covenant" in 2005, forging formative relationships with Taylor Kitsch and Sebastian Stan.

• Networking: Dax highlights how Chace’s "people-pleaser" tendencies contributed to organically building networks and seizing opportunities.

  "You were nice. And there's a great word for it. I mean, no." – Dax on the value of being likable ([26:00])

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5. Gossip Girl: Rocketship to Fame and Its Costs ([27:30]–[44:03])

• Breakthrough: "Gossip Girl" follows a failed audition for "Friday Night Lights" (a role that went to a close friend). Chace recalls his skepticism at the title and his shock over the contract's earning potential.

• Fame in NYC: Living with Ed Westwick. The group experienced sudden, intense recognition, which Chace admits triggered paranoia rather than arrogance.

• Social Pressures: Young, rich, famous, and in New York—Dax and Chace discuss how dangerous this can be for mental health and sobriety.

• Impostor Syndrome: Chace shares feeling like a fraud and becoming reclusive, using alcohol to make fame more tolerable.

  "Looking back on it, it affects everyone differently. Those first two years of fame, most people turn into an asshole in some way or they just get paranoid and reclusive." – Chace ([08:24])

  "That's why alcohol helps. Cause when you're drunk, your ego gets to inflate, and you're like, yeah, I am the shit. But when you're sober, you're like, I don't deserve this." – Dax ([42:26])

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6. Navigating Career Transitions, Typecasting & Self-Doubt ([49:23]–[55:21])

• Post-Gossip Girl Depression: Discusses deep sense of loss and identity confusion after the show ended.

• Industry Pigeonholing: The "CW pretty boy" stereotype limited post-show roles, forcing Chace to reestablish himself and confront stark industry realities.

• Self-Reflection: Both Dax and Chace share fondness for and occasional resentment of their breakout roles, recognizing, in hindsight, their extraordinary luck.

  "You think you have all these options and these offers ... Yet there is a little bit of that ... that was the reality I was facing coming back." – Chace ([51:06])

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7. Relationships, Self-Discovery, and the Drawbacks of Avoidance ([56:31]–[61:47])

• Relationships as Growth: Realizes he’s better in a relationship for stability, though admits to "bottling" feelings and being passive-aggressive.

• Therapy Themes: Discusses avoidance of difficult conversations and childhood patterns of not "rocking the boat."

• Reflecting on Parents: Wonders how his parents survived med school and parenthood so young.

  "I'm like a bottler. Passive aggressiveness is a big problem for me. Like, I'll hold on to things and I won't communicate them properly." – Chace ([59:33])

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8. Living Large, Partying, and the Evolution of Male Friendships ([62:09]–[65:07])

• Partying & Sobriety: Recognizes the diminishing returns of nightlife and drinking as he matures.

• Male Intimacy: Dax connects the longing for intimate drunken moments with other men as an underlying motive for his own past drinking.

  "I love the intimacy you could have with other men while drunk." – Dax ([63:24])

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9. “The Boys” – Landmark Role & Transforming Industry Perceptions ([65:12]–[79:32])

• Landing the Role: Auditioned amid career low point, impressed by show’s wildness but doubted its viability.

• No Vanity Needed: Praised for fearlessness and comedic commitment as The Deep; relished playing against type.

• Behind the Scenes: Talks about showrunner Eric Kripke, Seth Rogen/Evan Goldberg involvement, and cultural differences in show reception.

• Body Image: Honest about regimen and the psychological satisfaction (and vanity) of getting "jacked" for the part.

• Complex Characters: On The Deep’s dark storylines, including a #MeToo plot, and why total redemption wouldn’t work for a spinoff.

  "You're the butt of every joke, and you are just fucking driving straight into it, and you're not protecting yourself at all." – Dax ([68:09])

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10. Career “Almosts” and Pay-or-Play Stories ([80:03]–[82:00])

• Footloose Audition: Rehearsed dancing/singing, screen-tested with (then-unknown) Jennifer Lawrence as his reader. Ultimately paid a "pay-or-play" fee without filming, taking the sting out of missing the role.
• Showbiz Oddities: Dax recounts being fired, yet paid, on Will & Grace.

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11. End-of-Episode Banter and Fact-Checks ([112:14]–End)

• Lighthearted Recap: The hosts (with Monica) share personal anecdotes, reflect on Chace's likability, discuss gossip and Abercrombie & Fitch naming, and engage in playful fact-checking.
• Listener Interactions: Stories about talking to Lincoln’s class, the importance of navigating young audiences, and the wild world of podcasting as a parent.
• Chace’s Hotness: Lily confesses her lasting teen crush on Chace in a specific Gossip Girl scene.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Seeking Friendship in Party Culture:
  "I loved the intimacy you could have with other men while drunk ... I show up with a six pack and then now I can say, I love you." – Dax ([63:23])
• On Outgrowing Fame’s High:
  "It is a bit empty, though. ... You're trying to keep chasing that feeling or that high." – Chace ([43:40])
• On People-Pleasing as a Survival Tool:
  "I was a bit of a chameleon as well. ... It was kind of a survival thing to make new friends." – Chace ([26:23])
• On Career Uncertainty Pre-"The Boys":
  "In early 30s, it was just a doom loop. What am I going to do with my life? It felt like there was nothing that was ever going to happen again." – Chace ([65:56])
• On The Deep’s Outrageousness and Comedy:
  "They had this mushroom tea thing and I was tripping with the gills and talking to them. ... Then you find love with an octopus." – Chace ([76:40])

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Timed Highlight Reel

• [08:39]–[14:12]: Childhood, family roles, and the effects of frequent moves.
• [19:01]: Malibu valet mishaps and celebrity encounters.
• [26:00]: The double-edge of likeability and people-pleasing in show business.
• [41:02]: The intoxicating—and at times, alienating—rush of new fame.
• [49:48]: Post-Gossip Girl depression and identity crisis.
• [61:33]: Relationship patterns and communication breakdowns.
• [65:21]: Professional anxiety just before "The Boys."
• [68:09]: Dax's praise for Chace's vulnerability and commitment in "The Boys."
• [76:40]: The absurdity and joy of The Deep's most notorious moments.
• [80:47]: Screen testing for "Footloose" with Jennifer Lawrence as reader.
• [112:14]–End: Fact-check banter, affectionate roasting, and fun asides.

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Tone & Style

• Warm and irreverent, with moments of genuine vulnerability and comedic self-reflection.
• Chace is disarmingly humble, candid about his anxieties, and happy to poke fun at his image.
• Dax is supportive, philosophical about Hollywood's rollercoaster, and never misses a punchline.

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Summary

This episode is a masterclass in the messiness of fame, ambition, identity, and human connection. Chace Crawford offers rare honesty about the lonelier, uncertain stretches between career peaks, the ways childhood and early notoriety shape adult choices, and how learning to value real relationships, self-awareness, and therapy can forge long-lasting change. Whether you loved Gossip Girl, are obsessed with The Boys, or are fascinated by the psychology of Hollywood, this episode delivers insight and laughs in equal measure.

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Notable Quote for the Road:
“You almost need the booze to actually enjoy the celebrity.” – Dax Shepard ([42:38])

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Listen for:

• Candid confessions about mental health and imposter syndrome
• Wild LA valet stories with A-list encounters ([19:01])
• The inside story of landing—and playing—The Deep on "The Boys"
• Reflections on male friendships, love, and growing up in public

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Episode runs roughly from [00:00]–[122:05] (excluding ads and non-content).

Transcript

[Dax Shepard]

Welcome, welcome. Welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman. We have a very gorgeous man today.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, he is attractive.

[Dax Shepard]

Makes my eyes feel good.

[Lily Padman]

You think you had your sty during this and maybe he healed your sty.

[Dax Shepard]

I think he did. I'm gonna give him that credit. Chase Crawford. Chase Crawford is an actor. Gossip Girl. The boys. The boys. I love the boys. The Covenant Inheritance. This pains me to say out loud, but it is the final season of the Boys new episodes Wednesdays on Prime Video. One of the greatest shows ever made.

[Lily Padman]

Pretty much the coolest people I know watch the Boys.

[Dax Shepard]

It's such a good show. Everyone should be watching it. And if you haven't started, what a joy. You have so much to catch up on. Please enjoy. Not just good looking, such a good hang. So friendly. Chace Crawford. Enjoy. This message is brought to you by Apple Pay Checking out online Apple Pay makes it simple. Apple Pay is accepted on millions of websites and apps and counting. Just look for the Apple Pay button almost anywhere you do your online shopping. When you tap the Apple Pay button to check out, you don't have to worry about filling out any forms with your shipping address or payment method or for me, my billing address. Instead, use your pre saved information and checkout in seconds. What a joy. Need to make a change? You can easily review and change your card information and shipping details right in the payment sheet. Ready? Once you are ready, just double click the side button, authenticate your purchase with face ID and you're done. Whether you're shopping online for everyday needs or treating yourself, skip the hassle. Shop with Apple Pay Terms apply. Thank you to our presenting sponsor. Grubhub. Gold Days is here, which feels like a dangerous time to be ordering food because suddenly everyone in your life is very interested in what you're eating. Grubhub plus members are getting nonstop savings all month long and if you're not a member yet, you can join for 99 cents a month for six months. That's a 90% discount off of the usual price. Grubhub plus membership, auto renews and terms apply. Sign up now in the app or at grubhub.com/gold.

[Chace Crawford]

The perfect setup to transition to the garage, huh?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, so we did record upstairs when we were audio only. Directly above us there's a little attic.

[Chace Crawford]

Everything's video though now too, isn't it?

[Dax Shepard]

It's awesome. We hated the idea, but they forced us as part of our new wondery deal.

[Chace Crawford]

Well, it's probably the smartest thing. I mean, these are the talk shows, you know, it's just like the real deal.

[Dax Shepard]

Hi, Mike.

[Chace Crawford]

How are you? So you work with Caroline?

[Lily Padman]

Hi.

[Chace Crawford]

Are you. Yeah, she told me to tell you hi. She's the best. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

You're having my favorite person.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. I got that call too. Who's Caroline?

[Chace Crawford]

Do you know Caroline in the city? Dijon stylist. Stylist.

[Lily Padman]

Stylist to the stars. Incredible lady.

[Chace Crawford]

And she's just like the coolest person she is in general.

[Lily Padman]

She says you guys hang out after hours. And I invited myself.

[Chace Crawford]

You should come. We'll go to like, escuela taqueria on like a Friday.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Margarita Escuela taqueria.

[Chace Crawford]

You never been to Escuela? No, it's great. Well, it used to be kind of the secret. No one knew the tacos in la. They do like the fried OG hard shell tacos.

[Dax Shepard]

That's my jam is hard shell.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, me too. And it's awesome.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you ever tried Baja California in that dumpy fucking shitty little.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, I know what that is.

[Dax Shepard]

Right next to Subway at Franklin and Hillhurst.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay, I have.

[Dax Shepard]

Not the best hard shell taco I've ever had.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay, that's a big claim.

[Lily Padman]

That is a really big claim.

[Chace Crawford]

That's 100%. I might go after this to try it.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll give you testimony. Do you know Ryan Hansen, that actor?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, I do, actually.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, great. So Ryan and his wife were over last week to watch the Peaky Blinders movie.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, amazing.

[Dax Shepard]

And I went up there And I got six hard shell tacos for all of us. So 24 hard shell tacos.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dax Shepard]

And Ryan and Amy were like, this is bonkers. What's going on?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And Chase, they all were eating, and the whole time we were watching Peaky Blinders, many of us were going, fuck, I'd go for more of those tacos. Like, I don't know how many it would take to get my fill of those.

[Chace Crawford]

They're addicting.

[Dax Shepard]

I pray you try. And then the next time I run into you, you go, my God, you're right.

[Chace Crawford]

I'm 100% gonna try.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. After this, let grab some.

[Chace Crawford]

Dude, I'm down. Yeah, Maru. And go get a tiger.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so back to your things. All right. Hijack with my heart.

[Lily Padman]

We just have a really lovely friend in common.

[Dax Shepard]

So, similarly, I got a text last night from Jamie Feld.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, you know Jamie?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. I know she's not my agent or anything, but I'm friends with her and Zers.

[Chace Crawford]

Amazing dude, yes. Kevin's great.

[Dax Shepard]

And she texted me and said, you're talking to my favorite person.

[Chace Crawford]

Jamie is the best. I've been with her for like 20 years. She was kind of with Q Vane and then obviously now she's the head of everything over there. Yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

[Dax Shepard]

But that's pretty incredible. I don't know if I've ever arrived. Well, I know I've never arrived anywhere. And two different people had gave testimonials about. That's good, makes you feel good.

[Chace Crawford]

I got a text from her, I'm like, yes, Jamie's texting, but Kev's great. I've known Kevin for years.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you guys did a movie together.

[Chace Crawford]

He was on Gossip Girl years and years ago, like in 20. I don't even know when.

[Lily Padman]

Oh yeah, he was like, bad guy.

[Dax Shepard]

Is he a bad.

[Chace Crawford]

He's on there for like a fall, I guess, like six or eight months. You know, back when shows were like 26.

[Lily Padman]

I know you guys did so much

[Chace Crawford]

and he's so good looking.

[Dax Shepard]

Was he playing a boy toy?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, he was a suave. We were almost right in that same pocket, like head to head.

[Dax Shepard]

So did you guys go out on the town at all?

[Chace Crawford]

We did, actually.

[Dax Shepard]

That's back when he really would.

[Chace Crawford]

Honestly, I don't know if we're recording or not.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, we always aren't recording.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Cut out anything.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, no, no, no. We are super best friends.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay, so I'll be the judge. So I know his story.

[Dax Shepard]

He's very honestly sober.

[Chace Crawford]

I mean, he's very open about being open. Yeah, so I didn't know that. And I was decidedly not during those years. And we would go out and we were friends already, always got along, but we'd go out. Don't want to, you know, blow it up too much. But we'd go out of the town in New York. I mean we had east of the city. And I knew he didn't know anyone else in the cast and I was always looking for a running mate. Yeah, exactly like a homeboy. I knew from LA though too. Actor. And so we went out and yeah, I think that was the last run that he had. Uh huh.

[Dax Shepard]

Did he pee his pants at any point?

[Chace Crawford]

Not that I know. Not that I know of. But I will say we had an absolute blast.

[Dax Shepard]

As you should, I think as many of us feel in this fellowship of sobriety. No regrets. Super glad I had all those blowout nights. I mean, I wouldn't have wanted to be on planet Earth on my one trip and not do what I did.

[Lily Padman]

Well, because you made it out alive, man.

[Dax Shepard]

Not alive, but, man, a lot of fun was had until it got dark. I mean, there's good fun to be had out there. New York's a dangerous city.

[Chace Crawford]

Dangerous thing. New York City, man. It got dark for me, too. It got to be a little too much. You know, it's like that thing where it's New York.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What do you diagnose? The problem is because for me, it's a very specific thing. Why is it dangerous in New York now?

[Chace Crawford]

I have that romanticized relationship with the city. Like, when I go back, that feeling, that buzz. I don't know if I'd be able to live there again and function. Because you're out. If the weather's nice, there's always people on the patio. There's always something going on. There's always, like, an event really. Never shuts down.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

And no cars.

[Chace Crawford]

And no cars.

[Lily Padman]

No cars. Makes a huge difference.

[Chace Crawford]

You're just walking around.

[Dax Shepard]

Let's grab a wine.

[Chace Crawford]

It's a Tuesday.

[Lily Padman]

It's not irresponsible because you're not driving and hurting anyone.

[Chace Crawford]

I will say everyone wants to visit you. So it's like there's always someone you're showing town there or a reason to go out. I'm more reclusive now. I like to just be a homebody and get groceries in the car. New York's not really conducive to that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You have a dog, right?

[Chace Crawford]

Dog. The whole thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I was spared by having never worked there while I was an addict, but I would go there to promote. Yeah. My issue is, like, the bar doesn't shut down to four.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. That's enough. I mean, forget it.

[Dax Shepard]

An after party is standard. Every night of the week, someone's hosting an after party.

[Chace Crawford]

If you're out from 1am if you're going to stay up till 2, it's not closing. You know, you're most likely going to keep it going.

[Lily Padman]

But Gossip Girl, we just had Jenny Garth on from nine zero two zero. Original.

[Chace Crawford]

I saw that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Amazing.

[Lily Padman]

And Gossip Girl was kind of the My Gens. 90210. So I cannot imagine being in New York and, like, seeing you guys out there, everyone freaking out. You guys were all smart.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. My God, if you had given me my first dose of fame in New York City at 22, you were 22

[Lily Padman]

years old on the hottest show, and

[Dax Shepard]

I'm making thousands a week. I mean, forget it. We're not sure I'd be here.

[Lily Padman]

You Wouldn't.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Looking back on it, it affects everyone' differently. Those first two years of fame, most people turn into an asshole in some way or they just get paranoid and reclusive.

[Dax Shepard]

You went the paranoid route. I read the Interview magazine interview with you and Magnus.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, nice.

[Dax Shepard]

Thank you.

[Chace Crawford]

Love, Magnus.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

That was a good interview.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it was a sweet, sweet interview. Okay, but you were born in Lubbock. You moved to Minnesota for four years.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And then mom was a teacher. What kind of teacher?

[Chace Crawford]

She kind of taught everything. She got a master's in education, but she was mainly English, but she would, like, substitute us in kindergarten and throughout high school, actually. And she was kind of like the cool substitute teacher, like everyone.

[Dax Shepard]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Chace Crawford]

Crawford. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dax Shepard]

First of all, there's no such thing as a cool substitute teacher, so you're already lying.

[Chace Crawford]

She would bring candy. That's what she deprived everyone. Candy.

[Dax Shepard]

Your mom's hot, though. I saw a picture of her. She is. Your mom's super hot, right?

[Chace Crawford]

She had. You did it all the time in high school, man.

[Dax Shepard]

I Learned she was 20 when she. Or 21 when she had you.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly. They had me young. Yeah, she was like, 20.

[Lily Padman]

20.

[Dax Shepard]

And dad's a dermatolog.

[Lily Padman]

Gorgeous.

[Dax Shepard]

It's glowing, too.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. I got, like, these genetics.

[Dax Shepard]

You're not doing terrible on the skin, right?

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

My dad, he doesn't give me any tips. It's just all genetics.

[Dax Shepard]

Before we proceed, I don't know why I didn't detect this when watching the boys, which I'm an enormous fan of.

[Chace Crawford]

Love it.

[Dax Shepard]

Your voice is incredible.

[Chace Crawford]

No, thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

If you always connected, I mean, you could definitely. It would be a downgrade, but you could be on the radio or have a podcast. It's such a soothing. It's got good timber.

[Chace Crawford]

Thank you. I went to college to do broadcast journalism, or to maybe do, because people to say, like, oh, you got a great voice. You should get into, like, tv. And I really fast learned that I was not good at that. Like, you didn't want to do broadcast journalism in sports? Even though I love sports, but thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

Ironic, though, because. Candace, is that your sister?

[Chace Crawford]

She is.

[Dax Shepard]

She's a sports journalist.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. That's how she met her husband.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so back to. How old were you when you left Lubbock and went to Minnesota?

[Chace Crawford]

We were in Lubbock for, like, a year. And then my dad's side of the family is from Oklahoma, so Oklahoma City for, like, four years, where he did med school at ou. So Boomer Sooner. We're all Oklahoma Sooner fans. This is college. And his family was there. We moved to Minnesota. I was about 5 to 10 years old. So he did a residency program. They were young, like 21, 22. I can't imagine having, like, two kids and not a lot of money before he became a doctor and trying to get through med school and then going up to Minnesota. So those were some of the best times.

[Dax Shepard]

You must have a little bit of mixed culture between Southern and Minnesota, because those are pretty formative years. What was the vibe in elementary in Minnesota?

[Chace Crawford]

I remember getting to Minnesota and being in school and having, like, a small identity crisis because I felt like I'm a Texas kid, and that's all you know.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you have cowboy boots?

[Chace Crawford]

And I was a cowbo football fan, yeah. When I was young. Yeah. Oklahoma. Little cowboy boots and the hats, the whole thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Every little boy in Texas I see has got cowboy boots.

[Chace Crawford]

Right. And you just identify with that, even Oklahoma. And I remember being in Minnesota and being like, what do I say? Who do I say? I am from Minnesota. Is it Oklahoma? Am I from the South? I definitely had a little twang growing up, and then I sort of started to have the Minnesota accent.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure.

[Chace Crawford]

My grandparents did not like that, you know, saying like soda pop. It kind of melded the accent. When I got back to Dallas after

[Dax Shepard]

that, what kind of boy were you? You seem like you would have gotten along with everyone.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, I'm a bit of a people pleaser after doing a lot of therapy. Yeah. That's, like, my thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Boundaries are hard for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

And that was kind of part of it. Having to move to Oklahoma and then Minnesota and back and always make, like, a new group of friends was sort of how I learned to survive.

[Dax Shepard]

So you get to Plano for what, junior high or middle school?

[Chace Crawford]

Middle school, yeah. Fifth grade.

[Dax Shepard]

And how did that go, that transition now from Minnesota to Plano?

[Chace Crawford]

I remember that as, like, a weird time. I had two best friends in Minnesota. Like, the bikes in the summer, the whole thing. Like, great Lake life in friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And lake life in Texas. That's really all there was. That's what we did, but that was it. With those two friends and losing them, that was the first kind of real loss. And I remember being depressed when I was 10, moving back to Plano, to Dallas, and then having this daunting task of meeting new people and creating new relationships again.

[Dax Shepard]

And now you're a Vikings fan.

[Chace Crawford]

We did that Metrodome back in there. Yeah. It's not there anymore.

[Lily Padman]

More. Is your sister younger or older?

[Chace Crawford]

She is younger by 17 months. So we're pretty. Pretty close in age.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. Irish twins.

[Dax Shepard]

And this may shock you, but she's also shockingly attractive.

[Lily Padman]

So the whole family. The whole families are just.

[Dax Shepard]

She was Miss.

[Chace Crawford]

I'm gonna butcher it. She was Miss Texas, I think. Or Miss.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm consult. I hate consulting it, but I.

[Chace Crawford]

She's way older than me in maturity level, so.

[Dax Shepard]

Missouri.

[Chace Crawford]

Miss. Miss Missouri.

[Dax Shepard]

What am I talking about?

[Chace Crawford]

She went to school at Mizzou.

[Dax Shepard]

She was Miss Missouri and a contestant in Miss America.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Now, did you grow up with everyone doing what we just did, which is. Oh my God, your family is so beautiful and so perfect.

[Chace Crawford]

It was more like, your mom's hot.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And your dad's handsome.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Although your buddies probably weren't commented on handsome. Fuck, man, your dad is handsome. Yeah. I would have appreciated his skin and stature. Okay, back to mom being a cool substitute. Boy, these substitutes, God bless them, man, they come in and you meet, you're like, oh, great, we get to fuck off today and be assholes completely. That's the first thing you think?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

If my mom walked in the classroom, I'd be like, guys, we're not allowed to do the thing where we're assholes.

[Lily Padman]

Be nice to my mom.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I would have felt embarrassed. And then B, I would have felt protective. This had to be tough.

[Chace Crawford]

She would just let everyone screw off. That's why. That's why it was good. She would just be a fun day. She knew how to get everyone around to doing what they were supposed to do. But it was started off with games and candy and everyone loved Mrs. Crawford. Yeah, she was like the cool mom as well.

[Dax Shepard]

So you weren't embarrassed that mom was there? Cause that doesn't really matter how cool mom is. She's just kind of embarrassing, right? When you're a little girl.

[Lily Padman]

Well, not if you have Ms. Crawford, I guess.

[Chace Crawford]

Ms. Crawford was great. Fast forward to high school a little bit. But she would, let's have the party at our house. She wasn't like the removed, like, do whatever you want, but she kind of wanted over at the house and that was fun and people liked it. And she was the cool mom.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you overly protective of little sister or did you stay out of her. Her business? Were you monitoring what was going on?

[Chace Crawford]

No, I mean, my. My sister was more like embarrassed of me. I think me and my sister were so different by high school. She was on honor council. She was like a straight A student. She Was president of the Whatever. And I was starting to cut up a little bit. I was a very good student. I did very well in school until about middle of high school, and I just collapsed.

[Dax Shepard]

I had the same trajectory.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, it was a weird thing. I think it was an early rejection from a girl, like in like, eighth grade, maybe freshman year, like 13, like the worst time. It's all hilarious in hindsight, but you feel. And then I was doing school. It was a rigorous school, and I was getting really good grades.

[Dax Shepard]

Trinity something.

[Chace Crawford]

Trinity Christian Academy. Yeah. It was kind of a strict school, like, small private school. I was just kind of doing everything to please my parents in a way that just ran out. I just couldn't do that anymore. I just wanted to have fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you play any sports?

[Chace Crawford]

I played golf and football.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I got to a point I was on this math trajectory. I had been on the math team in junior high, and then I started the whole pre calc thing. And I just had this moment where I was like, well, I'm not ever gonna be a physicist or an engineer. There's no application for this in my life. Why on earth am I learning this? And then, unfortunately, I just started applying that to nearly every subject. I'm like, I'm not gonna be a history teacher.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like, I'm gonna live in my car like Jack Kerouac.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't really need any of this. What am I doing? Did you have a game plan of what you thought you were gonna do?

[Chace Crawford]

It was all to get into a good school. All this nervous energy, just trying to get into a good college. Everyone was just really stressed about getting into good school. Otherwise, your life was a failure, you know? So it was kind of like that hamster whee. That, like, you never thought about what's feasible in life to go do, like you said, calculus. You know, I'm not going to be an engineer or computer scientist.

[Dax Shepard]

That mindset, it's like, if you don't get into a good school, you're going to jail. It's like, those are the two trajectories in life.

[Chace Crawford]

The stakes were so crazy.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, you don't have a complete frontal lobe. So literally, you probably can't think about completely what you're going to be doing in 10 years. So this, like, oh, the next rung is college, and it better be a good one, because I'm supposed to go to a good one. And then you burn out.

[Chace Crawford]

It was definite burnout.

[Dax Shepard]

Why do you think you choose Pepperdine

[Chace Crawford]

to get out of Texas it was either SMU or Texas. There was a few other schools in there, but SMU is Southern Methodist. 20 minutes from my house, you know, I was like, I don't want to be 20 minutes from mom and dad.

[Dax Shepard]

Your mom might sub one of these classes in college.

[Chace Crawford]

Should be terrible. I would never hear the end of it after that.

[Lily Padman]

You were like, they're not supposed to be candy in college.

[Chace Crawford]

Like, where's the beer?

[Dax Shepard]

But you don't think there's any back of your subconscious that was like, we belong in California.

[Chace Crawford]

I was drawn to it. I forget what trip I took out here. At a deep, weird level. It just felt like I've always been attracted to getting out of the bubble and meeting new people in different walks of life in different stages. Which is one of my favorite things about acting is you always are meeting kind of like weird, interesting people, even if you don't get along. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Who have left their hometown.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, exactly. I always thought I would go back to Texas or I assumed and I just wanted to. If I could get into Pepperdine, I would get out of Texas for four years. That was it.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so you only did a few semesters there, right?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And for people who've never seen Pepperdine, it's almost impossible. You're on the PCH and you're in the highest valued real estate in the world. And you look to your right and there are 12 flat acres of grass. Oh, it's not flat, but it's on a hill. But just beautiful grass in this picturesque college. And you think, who could go here

[Lily Padman]

on the way to Malibu?

[Dax Shepard]

In Malibu, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

You put a golf course on the land. I don't know what they. They bought it in the 70s for. Probably a steal. It's a small school relative. It's tough to make it to class. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So what happens when you land there and, like, the ocean's across the street?

[Chace Crawford]

You go to the beach every day. I met some really great friends in college. Three dudes from Texas, from Austin, and somewhere else randomly. But we got along. And then that was the whole realization for me. You can grow and kind of grow out of what you were to people from like, fifth grade to high school.

[Lily Padman]

New identity time.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, it was kind of like a validating thing. I can go make new friends in this new big school and be in that next stage of life. And I got there and I'm like, oh, shit. I don't know what I want to do again. I don't know what I want to do. Long term with My life, it's occurring to you.

[Dax Shepard]

You don't want to be a journalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

I was taking a communications course. I like. I don't. I love it. It's great. But I'm not gonna be.

[Dax Shepard]

So how do we decide we're gonna drop out and pursue acting?

[Chace Crawford]

I was really naive. It was the one time in my life my parents were kind of like, hey, you graduated high school a little bit early. Just take a year off. And I was like, really? Is that on the table? Which was a nice thing. And so I took a year off. I was like, valing cars out there in Malibu at Joffrey's I've ever been to. Jo.

[Dax Shepard]

Very short valet. Right.

[Chace Crawford]

It's like I lied. I said I could drive stick. Did not know how to drive stick.

[Dax Shepard]

Burnt up some clutches.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, totally. There's fire coming through.

[Dax Shepard]

You've had one of the jobs. It's shocking to me. I never had. I can't believe I was never a valet. I'm obsessed with cars and I love driving cars and I love tips.

[Chace Crawford]

The tip thing was real. It's like a high.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And you get to woo a new person every five minutes. You get to, like, be charming every five minutes to a stranger.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you love it? Was it as good as I fantasize about?

[Chace Crawford]

I loved it, actually. It was a weird little fraternity. There were like eight dudes. There was a hierarchy. Some guy was like 45 and total Venice. Like, long hair stoner with like, dog in the truck. And he was kind like the head guy. And then it was a tough job

[Dax Shepard]

to get, I guess.

[Chace Crawford]

I got like the low rung and I was like the runner. I was running across pch like Frogger. You would have to floor the cars down pch and they're ripping. You turn, rip it back up, park on the opposite side and then run back and forth and you're straddling the me. It was awesome. I loved it, though.

[Dax Shepard]

Great.

[Chace Crawford]

But it was insane.

[Dax Shepard]

Again, more geography lessons. GCH is the most dangerous road in California. It has the most deaths per square mile. It's a circus.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

People are doing U turns to go to the beach. I mean, it's a mess.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, it was bad.

[Lily Padman]

How many accidents do we think happen hourly? No. No valets.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I think they're pretty good, man.

[Chace Crawford]

I had an accident.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you did. Oh, you did.

[Chace Crawford]

Well, I did. So. So I didn't actually. It wasn't like a full wreck, but it was always such a rush. You would leave cars and pull them Out. Leave them. Well, I just jumped out of one one time and left the open and. And it was in neutral and I heard it before I saw it. And it slowly rolled back, cut speed and the door, Tommy boy style, hyper extended. I was like, oh, like slow motion.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, you know, what did you do?

[Chace Crawford]

What did you do? I just closed it and like, let the guy figure it out.

[Lily Padman]

I know. You just gotta pretend like nothing.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you remember what kind of car it was?

[Chace Crawford]

My saving grace was like, I hopped back in. I'm like, yes, it's a rental car.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, what a blessing.

[Chace Crawford]

It was a blessing because, you know, all these things have their own insur or whatever. So I went right away, told the main real guy that ran the restaurant,

[Dax Shepard]

told him to put his joint down for a second, I guess. I guess harsh your high right now,

[Chace Crawford]

like, you idiot, go home. We'll deal with this later. But you're lucky it's a rental car.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you remember were you stoked when rad cars pulled up? Did you care?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. I remember being very nervous when it was like a Ferrari and John's like, get that one. You know? And it was like a paddle shifter. I had no idea. I was like, I don't know how to do it. I kind of learned, but it was bad.

[Lily Padman]

That's not the place.

[Dax Shepard]

It wasn't easy on the car was

[Chace Crawford]

the place to practice. But I remember, like, Orlando Bl Loom coming in and, like, tipping me money. And I was like, good tip. And Kate Bosworth. I'm like, oh, this is awesome.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. What an exciting LA job.

[Chace Crawford]

It was. It was.

[Dax Shepard]

What other celebrities you see. That's great.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, God, who else? I remember, and I think I've told him this. When I saw. I'm like, dude, you know, you gave me a nice tip one time. Thank you. But I remember, like, Suge Knight coming through. Which was weird because he had like, punched the valet. So I wasn't scared of him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Random people. It was like Tommy Lee and Malibu locals out there.

[Dax Shepard]

Who's the old hell, Julie? What was that actor from 48 Hours?

[Lily Padman]

Nick? No, Nick.

[Chace Crawford]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you ever see Nick?

[Chace Crawford]

No. I did see Nick Nolte.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. He's a staple in Malibu.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, he is.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you ever see Robert Downey Jr.

[Chace Crawford]

Never saw Downey Jr. No, no, no.

[Dax Shepard]

Keep him coming.

[Chace Crawford]

We see him. Johnny Carson.

[Dax Shepard]

No. He's unmatched.

[Lily Padman]

Are you religious? Because Pepperdine's religious. You went to a Catholic school?

[Chace Crawford]

It was Baptist, but yeah. So my mom's dad was a pastor A Nazarene pastor, I want to say, and lived in Texas. Grew up religious.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Didn't quite realize how strict Pepperdine was, actually.

[Lily Padman]

It's very. Isn't it?

[Chace Crawford]

I don't want to butcher. I think it's Church of Christ, which is very, like, no instruments and no bull worship and. Yeah, exactly. No fun. No fun. No.

[Dax Shepard]

That's where Jedi went, right? To law school.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, he did.

[Chace Crawford]

If you had a girl in your room or vice versa, past, like, 11 or 11:30pm Something really kind of weird, they give you, like, a demerit, and there's like, three demerits. Whatever. I don't know what happens, but the mag light would come through, and I'd be caught. Not in a copper. It was like, you're literally talk.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

In college. This isn't high school, so I do

[Chace Crawford]

remember that I quickly realized there was, like, small little fraternities that were just basically friend groups to actually be able to have fun off campus.

[Dax Shepard]

I didn't know it was that direct.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, I didn't either till I showed up.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Was it great money, too? I'm sorry. We're going to move off of valeting soon, but I'm so envious of this role. In fact, that's another job I could do in retirement. Other than 7 11.

[Lily Padman]

That's better than 7 11.

[Chace Crawford]

It was. I remember feeling so lucky to have the job because a buddy in college, a good friend, was older and he. He had the job, but he couldn't do it. So he kind of like, hey, I'm giving this to you. It's tough slot. Everyone wants this thing. Yeah, he's like, great. He knew I couldn't really drive stick, but he vouched for me. And it was like I was in this little cool fraternity, and it was summer time there, and you'd have, like, a family meal, free meal, like, cash.

[Dax Shepard]

Can I guess what? You were making a shift. Yeah, I'm gonna go with 350.

[Lily Padman]

But then tips.

[Chace Crawford]

I wish I knew.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, 350?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. If I meant 300, I wish I could remember. I guarantee you it was somewhere around that. But on a big night, I remember going home with some good tip. It was like a dopamine hit. It was like a slot machine mentality. I get like, what's gonna happen next? And it was, like, a lot of fun.

[Dax Shepard]

And this was 2004 or 5, summer of 04, so it's cash baby, too. You're walking with hard cash.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, I know. It was great. I was living in Malibu with Four other dudes in this house. Kind of a decrepit, like, 70s house and never been updated. But, like, we had this cool little spot. They were like surfers. And it was a lot of fun.

[Lily Padman]

It's gonna be a reality show.

[Chace Crawford]

Good old day. I know. Now I'm like, 40. I'm like, was it gonna get any better than.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm so jealous of this whole spell of yours. Okay, so how do we get from there to 2006? The Covenant?

[Chace Crawford]

I got into an acting class.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, a Meisner class.

[Chace Crawford]

Meisner class, Exactly. I forget the name of it, but it was a more serious class. A friend was doing acting. I had done some acting in high school, and I was always sort of artistically inclined. I did photography. I loved it. I painted, I drew. And so my parents kind of like, why don't you just get out of your shell? Take an acting class? And I randomly got this very serious Meisner I knew nothing about. I just loved it. I loved watching it. It was so abstract about coming to the door and the ex. And I, like, was like, what is this?

[Dax Shepard]

You didn't feel panicked, like, I'm out of my depth.

[Chace Crawford]

I wasn't trying to be an actor. I was so naive. There was no pressure. It was just fun. And these kids were in there really trying. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna try and be this good actor within class. I was ever thinking about really becoming an actor.

[Dax Shepard]

And did you get an agent from that class?

[Chace Crawford]

I did. I just kept kind of networking. A friend who was like a actress turn manager was like, hey, I know this very low boutique, small, like, agency. It was probably more like a management company is today. Just a few people. And I went with them.

[Dax Shepard]

This is where people pleasing. Like, people pleasing gets a bad rap, but this is where it's great, right? Because I wasn't a people pleaser. And consequently, no one wanted to help me because I didn't avail myself at all, right? I was trying to act like I knew everything and don't help me. And I got it figured out. And of course, no one tried to help me because it didn't seem like I was open to that. I didn't have a fucking agent for, like, six years. And I wanted to. I didn't get a job at a valet. I can see the value. You're nice. And there's a great word for it. I mean, no.

[Chace Crawford]

Well, I was a bit of a chameleon as well. To try and survive as a kid.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, you learn.

[Chace Crawford]

It was kind of a survival Thing to make new friends, all the different cities. And it wasn't like I was completely changing. I had an ability to kind of connect with people from all walks of life.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And I think it's a great thing. And then so people are like, yeah, I'll vouch for you. And that's what's tricky about when people are like, I'm gonna stop being this way. And it's like, well, also acknowledge none of it's good or bad characteristics also got me to here. And so what part do I keep and what part do I get rid of? It's hard to know completely.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. And you don't really know that as a kid, Even in your 20s, if you haven't really examined it.

[Dax Shepard]

So when you end up in the Covenant, you're now like, I want to be an actor. Clearly.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. So I went with this agent. She was great. She did guys. And it was back when pilot season was a real thing, like happening every fall. And she was like, I'm going to send you out for some auditions just randomly. And I was getting good feedback. I was very green. But they're like, oh, he's talented and you know, work on this, this. And I was doing auditions and I was having fun with it. I was like part time in school, I was valing cars, living in this house. And then the Covenant came along eventually in 2005, you know, it was a real budget Sony Screen Gems movie, you know, at the time.

[Lily Padman]

Wild.

[Dax Shepard]

So Taylor Kitsch was in it.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, Taylor Kitsch, Sebastian Stan.

[Lily Padman]

Wow.

[Chace Crawford]

A guy named Toby Hemingway, a British guy we're still friends with. And Steven Straight was like one of the guys too.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you and Taylor get. Get on?

[Chace Crawford]

We did. Me, Taylor and Sebastian and Toby. They're my first real friends. Yeah. Like Taylor would like sleep on my couch back in when he come to la. And he was kind of new.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. So I only know the lore of him because I'm an enormous Friday Night Lights fan. I've never met him and we'll get to that. But the lore is he was a trainer.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. So at that time, was he a trainer? Was he already jacked and looking gorgeous? Or were you not intrigued to go looking gorgeous?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, that's fine. Because I specifically remember going and meeting them for the first time in Montreal at the, at the hotel. And we were gonna eat dinner. We all got spaghetti or lasagna and all this stuff. And he kind of was like looking

[Dax Shepard]

at us and he got some chicken and vegetables.

[Chace Crawford]

And cut to. He's like, absolutely Shredded. And like, he was a nutritionist. He went to school for two years.

[Dax Shepard]

He's like, you guys are killing yourself.

[Chace Crawford]

He basically. Well, he basically, like, in hindsight, was funny. He introduced us to all this stuff of working out and eating right. It kind of gave us a trainer. So that was like the start of falling in love with working out with the guys. Like, it was fun. And back. We were, like, just shoveling bread and pasta and we had a reason to get in shape. It was a fun boot camp type thing.

[Dax Shepard]

And everyone's gonna be shirtless. You gotta show off.

[Chace Crawford]

It was hilarious. Warlocks.

[Lily Padman]

So do you love men's bodies too? Like, dad, he's.

[Chace Crawford]

No, I know. I miss. Yeah, you have a good routine. Right. You go to the gym and you

[Dax Shepard]

do the full thing. Yeah. But also, I'm just obsessed with other men's body. Yeah. More than my own body. I'm much more obsessed with other men. If I were a good painter, I could paint right now perfectly. Taylor Kitsch's body. Like, I know it. Like, I know Brad Pitts in flight.

[Chace Crawford]

He showed up. We were like, oh, my God. He did nutrition. He was doing modeling, but he was, like, really working. And he didn't have a place in la, but he was full on shredded and eating right the whole night.

[Lily Padman]

It's funny because I kind of forgot that was him because the last thing I saw him and I think was the Waco thing.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Where he's like, he's not hot in that.

[Lily Padman]

Well, he's not ripped in that at all. I don't think.

[Chace Crawford]

Skinny for that thing.

[Lily Padman]

So skinny. So that's kind of my new version.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you need to rewatch fnl. We just rewatched it because of our daughters were finally old enough. And I was like, oh, right. It is the best show ever.

[Chace Crawford]

Incredible. And the story there was. We shot the thing, we kind of back. He stays at my couch for like a month. And he was like, I'm, like, gonna screen test for this show. And I had been auditioning for it. I got a test deal to read for the quarterback for Jason Street. Oh, I was so excited because I knew he was basically going to be Riggins. He had to think, jump through one more hoop. And I was like, oh, the idea of we just become friends. Like, he was like my only friend business. Like, yeah, yeah, let's move to Austin and do Texas football. That's where I'm from, you know, I didn't get it. I remember being bummed for, like, a month.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's a Heartbreaker.

[Chace Crawford]

That was a heartbreaker. I remember that was my first real. Like, that's a role I wanted.

[Dax Shepard]

And you'd only had good luck thus far.

[Chace Crawford]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

You probably sled a little bit.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah. When I go in, I get these

[Chace Crawford]

things and then I make friends and

[Dax Shepard]

then we all work together. We have adventures.

[Chace Crawford]

Realizing that was like the most rare situation to become friends with those guys. And we're still all friends.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Chace Crawford]

I remember him being back in la, maybe this summer. He had it on dvd. We don't even have those anymore. He had. He's like, do you want to watch it? I was like, yeah, I do, I do. And watching the pilot, it wasn't jealousy, it was fomo. It was like, I wish. It wasn't like, I wish death upon everyone. It was like, oh, I wish I was a part of. That's amazing.

[Lily Padman]

The wheelchair element though, you might have dodged a bullet.

[Chace Crawford]

We didn't know. They didn't tell anyone that that was going to be the role. So that was interesting.

[Lily Padman]

Dodged a bullet.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you have any interesting interaction with Pete Berg? Because I had one meeting with Pete Berg. For people who know me, he was an actor forever. And then he became a great director and he directed the movie and then the pilot of that show. And I had a general with him one time. He was like five minutes late and they let me sit in his office before he got in there. And then he walked in and he had tissue crammed in his nose that was just caked with blood.

[Chace Crawford]

Nosebleeds.

[Dax Shepard]

And he goes, oh, sorry man, I'm late. I was sparring with so and so. I'm like, this dude's such a raw dog, man. He's walking like he's broke his nose and now he's in this meeting. He was just fighting a Man. Seconds before this meeting.

[Chace Crawford]

He's a wild dude. Yeah. I've, like, been to dinner with him with mutual friends since, like, he's a great guy. I remember him being in the room and directing the screen test and throwing me curveballs a bit. I was, like, freaking out. I don't know how to be off the script. Yeah, but that was. In hindsight, that was cool. Like, I would appreciate that more now. Like, the improv nature of that. He's. Okay, you're in an interview. Throw me questions. You know, how would you answer this as a quarterback? Which really threw me, which is probably why I didn't get it.

[Lily Padman]

But.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, but now I would welcome that.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. And then Gossip Girl comes pretty quickly after that. Right. So the heartbreak doesn't last terribly long. What do you think the duration is between screen testing for Friday Night Lights?

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly a year. It was the next pilot season.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you do anything in between there?

[Chace Crawford]

Covenant came out. I did. It wasn't Lifetime. It was a movie. It was a movie that we shot in Turks and Caicos, which was a lot of fun, but it was very small budget. But my mom loves the movie. I'm blanking on the name of it. Thank God. Don't go watch it. But I remember you're not blanking on the One Metal.

[Dax Shepard]

You know exactly the name of it.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, no, you should say the wrong name of the movie. So we go watch, like, the.

[Chace Crawford]

They changed the name of it.

[Lily Padman]

It's called, like, the Six Sons of.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, exactly. Something ridiculous. I came back and I got with icm, the new agency, because the covenant came out.

[Dax Shepard]

You got a little heat.

[Chace Crawford]

Was like, ooh, I'm doing the thing. And then I remember going into their office to see the pilots and it was these hard scripts. And it said Gossip Girl. And I'm like, that's like the stupidest name ever for a show. You know they're going to change that name.

[Dax Shepard]

Change it sounds a little emasculating.

[Chace Crawford]

Like, I'm going to be on a

[Dax Shepard]

show called Gossip Girl.

[Lily Padman]

Sounds so weird.

[Chace Crawford]

I. They didn't realize it was a book franchise and they had had people that were fans of it.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm offended you hadn't been reading the Gossip Girl YA book series. Of course I did.

[Chace Crawford]

Then that was back when you would have to read for the first couple people, then producers, director execs. And then you're in, like, the conference room with, like, the stadium seating.

[Dax Shepard]

And for people who don't know, you also add at some point in auditioning, they make you negotiate your Contract. They don't let you go in and read for network without a contract. Cause they don't want to fall in love with you. And then you have the leverage lever. Leverage thing by today's standards, we both know is probably not a lot of money. But at 21 years old, when you negotiated that contract for that last audition, and you're like, I'm gonna make hundreds of thousands of dollars if we do. I mean, what was your brain doing at that moment?

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, it was such a high. I remember thinking I'd won the lottery.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you did.

[Chace Crawford]

You're not doing all the math of the percentage that everyone takes.

[Dax Shepard]

No. You're getting 100% of that money.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah. He's thinking that number per episode times.

[Dax Shepard]

How many learned to drive a Ferrari? 1. Certainly in my future.

[Chace Crawford]

Going back. Yeah, I'm going back to that job. Lo and behold, it's like the lowest possible thing for six years. But you know, you sign your life away for six years too. You're not really thinking about that.

[Dax Shepard]

Hell no.

[Chace Crawford]

You don't even know if it's going to be successful. So that's like a pipe dream.

[Dax Shepard]

So one cute thing I learned today is that you and Ed Westwick.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You guys immediately start roommating together in Chelsea out of the gates. How did you meet him so quick and go like, let's move in together.

[Chace Crawford]

We shot the pilot it in April or something in 073 weeks in New York. I'm like, I love New York now. It's incredible. He was young. He was like 18. I remember looking at prices that summer. I guess we gotta move there. I'm like, how much is it a? I'm like, it's insane.

[Dax Shepard]

And you just found out you're keeping 40% of what you made. Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Now a little more realistic.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Not one check has come yet. I'm like, maybe I get a roommate. I just text like, dude, you want to like live together? He's like, yeah, sure, whatever, man. Like, just go find it, you know,

[Dax Shepard]

tell me what address to show up to.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. Marry me. My mom like went up there. We saw like three places. And I was like, I guess this one will work.

[Dax Shepard]

Did he live in England at that time?

[Chace Crawford]

He had never left his hometown. I don't know if he was outside London. I forget the name of it, but he was like in London area. And he was a mini Pete Doherty, you know, he was like trying to be in a band. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You from Plano, him from England. You guys are in Chelsea.

[Chace Crawford]

It was wild. Yeah, it Was like Animal House.

[Dax Shepard]

How nice or not nice was the apartment?

[Chace Crawford]

It started out nice, and then it was like. What was funny? It was a. I forget what they call two bedroom convertible. So there's an office. We. I had a wall just of sheetrock built basically like a closet. And I was like, hey, I'll pay a little bit more a month for the first six months. Take the mask.

[Dax Shepard]

You live in the closet. I found the place you proposed to play.

[Chace Crawford]

I actually did propose. And they don't flip. You pay more. And that, of course, never happens. Yeah, it never happens.

[Dax Shepard]

Every six weeks, team of movers are in there. Yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Never never happened. And it was decidedly disgusting. But it was so much fun.

[Dax Shepard]

You have a charmed life on the fun spectrum. Yeah, it was a lot.

[Lily Padman]

It was a lot, though, due to the dynamic of all the people on the show, because, for one, it's, you know, teen show, hot show, all eyes, so dramatic. So in real life, you're really good friends with him. I can only assume you guys are living together.

[Chace Crawford]

Totally. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

But then there's other.

[Dax Shepard]

Did they feel like you were clicky?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, they didn't, actually. I had a good relationship with all the main, Like Pen and Blake and Leighton and him were kind of the. The core cast. And we all got along. We all had a great time. I mean, but me and Ed, we would go out. We would go out, shoot pool hit. You know what I mean?

[Dax Shepard]

We were like. We would go out.

[Chace Crawford]

We would go out and they. I remember they had, like, on one of the buildings, a rooftop, which was kind of redone. They had couches up there and a grill, and we would just bring a Bose speaker and a bunch of beer. And, like, we would have parties up there.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you banging darts ever? Oh, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

He was a big smoker. All my New York friends smoked. They're like actors there. And, like, you could smok somewhere indoors, and I never enjoyed them. You're a good boy.

[Lily Padman]

You wanted to be cool.

[Chace Crawford]

But I would hit the button, you know, get the cigarette thing and act like I'm cool. Like, I really loved it. You know what I mean?

[Dax Shepard]

You're on a rooftop banging a dart, drinking beer in New York City.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. How was your ego, though, at the time? It must have been through the roof. Right.

[Chace Crawford]

It's funny. It does affect you, you know, like how fame always affects you.

[Dax Shepard]

Can we talk about the moment? Cause you were seeing the Black Keys in Central Park.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, you got it.

[Dax Shepard]

You and Ed.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And that was the first time where all of a sudden people Are starting to come up to you.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. That was the very first time. I'll never forget it. It's a validating feeling to kind of know that what you've been working on is being enjoyed and seen.

[Dax Shepard]

It's the signal of success.

[Chace Crawford]

Like, it's possible to not like that. You can get annoyed at certain situations, but to this day, even people that are fans of the boys like deep. I love it.

[Dax Shepard]

It's a fun thing. It's lovely. There's uncomfortable parts, but, boy, it's lovely. Especially when you're young. It blew up.

[Chace Crawford]

I mean, that was like, the show. It still holds up.

[Dax Shepard]

I can't watch it. My memory of how funny is when I watch it, I'm like, oh, no. I inflated in my mind.

[Chace Crawford]

I remember the Timberlake one was hilarious. Oh, my gosh.

[Dax Shepard]

It was a kind of cultural phenomena.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, it was.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

You guys created a word. That word now is in the zeitgeist.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

After eight years of auditioning, not getting anything, it was a rocket ship. And so you. And you already hinted at it, but it can make you an asshole or it can make you a bit paranoid. And it sounds like you went down the paranoid route. How is it affecting you? And I would imagine it's more tolerable when you. When you're drunk.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

It becomes a great companion piece to this new experience.

[Chace Crawford]

It does. And we're not working all the time, and we had the keys to the city, in a sense. I remember the first iPhone coming out and being, like, paranoid about iPhone pictures where she couldn't even see anything. I seen anything stupid, like one pixel, you know? I remember it was the young teenage thing where sometimes it'd be a lot of energy, and that would sometimes kind of, like, startle me a little bit, you know?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You had rabid fans.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. It became a little bit rabid. I mean, it was crazy for a minute. I remember feeling like a bit of a fraud, like an imposter.

[Dax Shepard]

That's why alcohol helps. Cause when you're drunk, your ego gets to inflate, and you're like, yeah, I am the shit. But when you're sober, you're like, I don't deserve this.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

But when you're hammered, you're like, you're damn right I'm fucking awesome.

[Chace Crawford]

It's such a high. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You almost need the booze to actually enjoy the celebrity.

[Chace Crawford]

That's so profound. It's so true. It's so true.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm just now realizing that you're so

[Chace Crawford]

much more Comfortable in your own skin, though. And we would go out. We had other friends in the city. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you making also other actor friends that you were, like, flattered by? Like, are other actors around town. Town starting to hang with you a little bit?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. And Nick's players and, like, it was kind of like you kind of making friends with someone. Like, yeah, the picture of the Mets, pretty cool. And Sebastian, I think he came on, like, episode four or five, Stan, and like, we were already friends. So I was like, yes, got another friend here. And we were all just going around. We had a great time. It was a lot of fun. But it is sort of like a weird drug that you chase. You need to kind of be validated and you realize, like, what is wrong with me?

[Dax Shepard]

It's a very heightened experience that's hard to compute. And then it's also quite addictive. And in the absence of it, you feel a bit.

[Chace Crawford]

Big drop, right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. If you're out in New York City and 40 of the girls at the bar like you.

[Lily Padman]

40. 99.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. Probably.

[Lily Padman]

99, I will tell you. 99.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, man. That's a special experience.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, it was good for a while. It is a bit empty, though. You're trying to keep chasing that feeling or that high.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you feel it when you're not experiencing again. It's so high.

[Chace Crawford]

It kind of like drives you. That question, like, why, like, why am I doing this? What am I doing? What am I going to do next? I need to kind of maintain this thing that's been created and what's my reason for doing the next project or picking the next thing? And if it's fame and you're trying to maintain that, it's a lose, lose.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Lily Padman]

Did it ever get weird on set while you guys were becoming these big stars? Were you guys kind of like, do you guys know I'm a big star on set? When they would ask you to do things or you'd have to be there for so many hours. Were you guys like, do you know who I am? All of you? You were all becoming such big stars.

[Chace Crawford]

You know, we were pretty lucky. I feel like everyone was, in their own respects, very well adjusted. Like, everyone was cool and you're working with everyone at some point. The characters are in a thousand episodes, sleep together. Like, you have, like six months with someone. Then me and Pen are doing. Yeah, me and Head are working. So you kind of. I had my own time with everyone to kind of forge a relationship. They were good relationships.

[Dax Shepard]

I know there's this kind of stereotype of anytime you have a bunch of young people on a show, they're going to be very competitive. But I actually think the blessing of it is when you're the singular star of the show, you can really start thinking your shit doesn't sting. But if you're sharing it, you're not this big special thing. You're all getting fucking heat when you walk out. You're all experiencing it. So it's like you can't feel. Feels so unique in it. That helps.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. And it kind of all happened at the same time. And then inevitably there is a little bit of what is this person getting? When you're young, I'm older, you're just more relaxed with all that stuff.

[Lily Padman]

It doesn't really matter when you're.

[Chace Crawford]

Then you're kind of become pretentious or, you know, you kind of become self important. You know, you want to be important. You want to like, be the guy. There is a little bit of that anxiety of like, what is he doing that I'm not?

[Dax Shepard]

Right. I think when it gets dicey is the summer break.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like, who got what? Oh, they're working with that person. Fuck, I better be doing that too.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

You start not to feel that way sitting on your ass and you're like, yo, they're doing like a studio movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Eddie Murphy, first year, Saturday Night Live. He's on Saturday Night Live. They go away for the summer break and then he stars in 48 hours. And when they return, he's in the biggest movie of the summer. And they're all castmates. That all started. It's like, that's a lot to deal with for everyone.

[Chace Crawford]

Totally.

[Dax Shepard]

How did you. Or maybe you did. I didn't follow the drama of it. But did you avoid getting romantically involved with any of these people?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. Cause I would have.

[Dax Shepard]

That's where I would have absolutely floundered. I would have tried to date all. All of them.

[Lily Padman]

Some of them dated each other.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. Okay. There's things that happen, connections that happen. I mean, you know. Yeah. I never dated anyone on the show officially.

[Dax Shepard]

No.

[Chace Crawford]

I mean, there's a lot of, like, guest stars and people like in the orbit of the show that you'd meet through other friends even. And I remember that was a way to meet people.

[Dax Shepard]

You should. Everyone dates people from work. Why? Why would you not do that in show business?

[Lily Padman]

Especially when you're already kissing them. I mean, you're literally already.

[Dax Shepard]

You've already.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, but this.

[Dax Shepard]

Cross the threshold on that.

[Chace Crawford]

On that. It's either 60 people watch it and boom. My guys, you know, they want you to be shirtless again. It's like the whole other thing, you know, when you're young, it is a different thing. It is like a college experience. It's all different. And everyone's kind of single and dating or whatever, and everyone's sort of up for, you know, married. No one's married. The stakes are very low. You know, it is a funnier, more college, like, school experience. For sure.

[Lily Padman]

You wish you had had his life.

[Dax Shepard]

I would have blown it up. Like, I'm impressed. You navigated it. I would have up. I would have been partying too hard.

[Chace Crawford]

Close to.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, okay, look, I missed the part that you're an Abercrombie and Finch model.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Were you in the documentary?

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, no, I wasn't.

[Dax Shepard]

Thank God.

[Chace Crawford]

I did watch that documentary, though. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What if I said, you know what have been great? As I said, did you get romantically involved with any of the cast members? And you go just Kristen Bell.

[Chace Crawford]

Kristen had the best job. She was in this room with a mic, doing a weekly, and that was amazing. We have started dating.

[Dax Shepard]

She was getting that offered, and she's like, this is pretty great. I'm getting, like, an episodic fee, and I think it's going to be about 15 minutes a week.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. They redid it, right? Yeah. She got, for that one, too.

[Dax Shepard]

Sucked off of that. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

And it showed her voiceover skills, which took her someplace, we could say, right?

[Chace Crawford]

No, completely.

[Dax Shepard]

My last question on that period is, how blessed and. Or resentful do you feel that you guys got to do that just before social media? It was a thing.

[Chace Crawford]

That's a good question. I feel really blessed, actually. In some weird way, Gossip Girl was ahead of its time because it was about this blogger, and it kind of was looking at that social media thing in a different way. But I'm just so thankful that wasn't around when we were there. I mean, how many athletes and actors, you know, you tweet something when you're 18, 20, you do something, it's forever.

[Dax Shepard]

Hard to say.

[Chace Crawford]

I probably would have lost everything if the video thing was real. But the other flip side of that is I wish I'd started an Instagram account when Ashton Kutcher did at the very beginning. Like, I would have a million, you

[Dax Shepard]

know, so that's what I was gonna say. The con of it not being there is there are so many people that have been on these shows that they're very zeitgeisty. And all young people like them, but they're not huge ratings hit. People aren't renegotiating, making a ton of money, but they're making a killing on their social media, which is a nice little thing that you probably could have also made a ton of money. Of money outside of the show had that been around at that time.

[Chace Crawford]

I kind of missed a generation. Like, I'm not all about putting myself out there all the time.

[Dax Shepard]

But you've had some success in it. You and Miles Tell are dancing and stuff.

[Chace Crawford]

Those have gone. That was against my will.

[Dax Shepard]

There's many videos. There's not just one. There's a golf one you're probably referencing, but you guys are shirtless and masks.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Bodies look great, by the way. Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Pandemic. That was when we all went a little crazy. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

So when the show ended, I had this very mixed feeling about parenthood ending, which is I also had done six years on that show, like you did six years right on Gossip Girl. And I had these two feelings, which was like. One was, I could have done that show for the rest of my life. I loved everyone so much. It was such a lovely work environment. I had such freedom. And also, if I do anything for six years, I'm kind of like, okay, I want a new experience. So what were you feeling like, like, when it ended with the Gossip Girl

[Chace Crawford]

thing ending, I got super depressed, and it was way out of left field because I felt like I had to move back to Los Angeles.

[Dax Shepard]

You probably did need to for your health.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. No, no. Completely. Completely. But I. I kind of remember thinking, why didn't I just invest and buy a place and stay in New York? I'm glad I didn't. But I remember getting plopped back in la. And it's like anything else, those people become your identity. In a way, they're family. I realized that became really important to me. It's the hair and makeup girls you

[Dax Shepard]

talk to every day.

[Chace Crawford]

It's the transfer guy that picks you up. It's just that rhythm and that you are somebody and you mean something in that sphere.

[Dax Shepard]

And that schedule is tethering you completely. It's what's allowing you to go be a fucking maniac, Enjoy four days a week. Because you click back into the routine and it's stabilizing.

[Chace Crawford]

Yes, I got spit back out here. And I remember being, like, depressed for six months. Listen, not like clinically I was getting out of bed, but I was not in a good way.

[Dax Shepard]

And I would imagine, too, at least in my Experience. You have all these waves of thought. You first get off the show and you're like, okay, I probably have a lot of options, so I got to choose correctly. And then a couple months goes by and all of a sudden you're like, do I have this many options? You start recalculating what you're going to do and it can be madness trying to figure out what you're supposed to follow up. Something like a Parenthood or a Gossip Girl with people think, you know, you're

[Chace Crawford]

the star of this show and the reality of it in the industry, it's a double edged sword. You know, you're the pretty boy who was like on a CW show that honestly was. You don't want to see. You're in the doghouse. But there is a little bit of that. You know, that was the reality I was facing coming back. Because think you have all these options and these offers, you have an opportunity

[Dax Shepard]

to do the same thing.

[Chace Crawford]

Probably the same thing. People don't really have an imagination in cast. You kind of got to prove yourself. Which is all well and good, but I remember it being limited and not realizing, oh shit, I'm not getting the looks I'm wanting and even I'm getting close to stuff and putting in good work. It's like, oh, it's not a good fit. So it was a bit of wanting to really, really switch it up.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know about you, but you also start losing confidence. I gotta readjust what I think I'm gonna be able to get into.

[Chace Crawford]

It was a real lesson for the first time of like, okay, I was stripped, kind of all the confidence. And again, how you go into that room and act confident to get that job, if you're feeling completely desperate for it, Air of desperation. And it's those moments of being in this business and industry that people don't see, but you gotta navigate. And that was my first time really navigating.

[Dax Shepard]

And you're also pretty darn young still. Like, how old were you when ended?

[Chace Crawford]

27, 8.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the age I was when I got on Punk'd. Let me ask you this. Did you have a chip on your shoulder about the show? Because I don't anymore. I have nothing but gratitude. But I had a few years where I couldn't stand when people would bring up punk to me.

[Chace Crawford]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Because it was like, it was a reality show and they would ask me like, what's it like to act? When I was promoting without a paddle and I was like, I've been acting that's the most acting.

[Chace Crawford]

Like I convinced a real person. Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I was just so defensive about it being a reality show. And then. Were you friends with Ash? And I'm like, no, he didn't give me. I just had all these chips on my shoulder about it.

[Chace Crawford]

I did too. For sure, I would feel defensive, I guess is the only word. But I just feel like, defensive. Like, don't ask me about that. You know what I mean? I'm moving on to other things, but I was always grateful of the show. It was never the people.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's what I'm sad about is that I had that association with it. Even the first time I interviewed Ashton, I was kind of admitting to that. And he's like, yeah, I very much felt that. And it kind of hurt his feelings.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay, gotcha.

[Dax Shepard]

That I wanted to be so distanced from this great thing he and I did together. And now, of course, I can go like, oh, my God, no one gets to be on a cultural phenomena. I can't believe I never had APEX gratitude for it. Of course, I always had the gratitude that it gave me all the opportunities I ended up getting. But also just, dude, if you're on something like that one time in your life that's going to the super bowl just doesn't happen.

[Chace Crawford]

It's hard to get to that rarefied era. Really is.

[Dax Shepard]

But again, you're so scared because you've had that. It's like, oh, my God, how on earth do I get on another thing. Thing of that kind of cultural momentum?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, right. Which is tough. And now that it's had this weird life through streaming, it's had like these nine lives and the same age, you know, fan comes up. I love it. But there was a time it just felt like this black cloud, you know, I couldn't get away from. And it was hard to break out of that.

[Dax Shepard]

By the way, I used to have it with Kristen too. It's like every interview I'd get in, they would ask me about Kristen.

[Chace Crawford]

Right, Right.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm like, oh, I'm only here because they want to hear about Kristen. And then I was smart enough to realize, like, oh, when I see Kristen, all they do is ask about me. They just don't know what the fucking asking about.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Nothing personal going. There's no evaluation of anything going on.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

But now, yeah, I could sit and do a two hour podcast on punk and I'd be delighted for someone to go through every episode. You know, Like, I would love to talk about it.

[Lily Padman]

You should do A re watch.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I couldn't rewrote it, but I couldn't watch it.

[Chace Crawford]

But that is the most acting though. That really is though. That's the real. The commitment.

[Lily Padman]

You can't say cut.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, there's no cut you either up. The entire three day thing they've been setting up, the stakes are high and

[Chace Crawford]

it's always like the celebrity that you can sniff that out quickly, you know, I mean, it's high stakes.

[Dax Shepard]

If I tip it and go too big and yet I want to go big, that's my chance to be funny. I'm wearing a fucking wig and shit with Nick Lachey.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm going as hard as I can without it. Like I'm in a cut off shirt and shit.

[Chace Crawford]

What a great episode. It's due for a rewatch. I want to see him all night. It's brilliant. It's my favorite.

[Lily Padman]

I watched it recently even after knowing him and I'm like, it's so good.

[Chace Crawford]

Like, jury duty is great and all, but it's not punk, you know, that was like the thing, man. It was the best.

[Lily Padman]

It was really.

[Dax Shepard]

So, yeah, walk me through this chapter, right? This is a chapter between, I would say Gossip Girl and the boys.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

How do you keep your spirits high? Do you find joy? Do you figure out how to recalibrate? Like, what is that journey?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, that was probably the toughest journey. Like the lowest point. Let me think. I basically sort of snapped out of it a little bit. A little bit. And it just felt so daunting, the task of like auditioning and trying to get that next thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Chace Crawford]

And I. Will I ever get something as culturally like a big again? I did a pilot. It got picked up oil and yeah, they changed the name of it. The best version of it would have been like Yellowstone, basically. And that's what I thought in my head. Oh, they're gonna want this thing. The guys who created and wrote it were amazing. They all got fired, but ABC wanted it. They put on all these new people. We moved to Park City, which was amazing to live up there early on. It was like, oh, shit. It was the first time I was like, scared, am I gonna be stuck on this? It was a great experience, but I was a little nervous about it.

[Dax Shepard]

It was fine to be stranded in New York City as a young person. Yeah. But you probably never envisioned moving to Park City, Utah when you left Dallas. That's a big part of the job that I think is fine to be like, well, I don't know. I live in Canada for Seven, eight years.

[Chace Crawford]

Right, Right. It's a nomadic leave your life. Yeah. I bought a truck, drove out there. It was great for a while, but it's sleepy town. It's not New York. Thank God. I got a girlfriend. That was kind of a nice thing. I dated a girl that we were working with.

[Dax Shepard]

Your longest relationship, three years.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Congratulations.

[Chace Crawford]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

That's interesting, because if you're me and you fall in love and you're both out of town, a. Of course you're gonna fall in love. You're both lonely and out of town.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You're also playing house.

[Chace Crawford]

Totally. That's a good way to put it.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you gotta return to real life, back and forth. I don't know. I think that would be weird. Yeah. I've never done that. Full experience, but I could see it being tricky somehow. We did.

[Chace Crawford]

We navigated it. It ended. It was actually in totality. It was like, oh, that was actually Great. I did 13 episodes of this thing. We kind of had summer through winter in Park City. It was great.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you guys stayed together for a while and.

[Chace Crawford]

We stayed together. Yeah, Y. We did. And we worked that out. And that's when I realized I am better in a relationship. I'm just. You know what I mean? Like. Like, single me is not the best version, in a way.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, there's a lot of data to support that. Married guys live, like, 11 years longer. I mean, it's like, yeah, we're not great on our own.

[Lily Padman]

He was like, don't go to the doctor.

[Chace Crawford]

Right, Right. No, yeah. Yeah. I realize I, like, need some help. So that was all great. And we're still friends.

[Dax Shepard]

What do you do wrong in relationships?

[Chace Crawford]

What do I do wrong? I just try too hard. I love too much.

[Dax Shepard]

I love too hard.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll go first.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. What do you think?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I had this relationship with Bri for nine years. I left that one. And there's no way it could have been her fault. I mean, she was a great human being. I had to be responsible for a lot of it. And I think I had the wherewithal. I was, like, 36 at the time or something, and I was like, we gotta figure out what we were doing wrong. Clearly, I need to break some habits. I'm probably a bit. I want them to think, like, me too much. I was terrible about money. I was so bad at sharing money. I was like, oh, this is my money. You know, I just did a lot of things that. That I knew I gotta break this the next Time I'm in one, which was Kristen. I met Kristen. She was a Christian vegetarian who lived with eight people and had 16 dogs. These are all things I would have normally been like, I love her, but there's no way I can hang with all this other stuff.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Lily Padman]

I'm laughing because she was.

[Dax Shepard]

But I didn't ever challenge any of those.

[Chace Crawford]

They're not religious.

[Lily Padman]

They're not religious.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's the funny thing about life.

[Lily Padman]

You didn't control it.

[Chace Crawford]

But you want to, though. We get past the honeymoon phase and you start to try and change the other or control the other person in just small ways even I'm guilty of that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And it has the veil of being gross and controlling, which certainly it is, but really it's about safety. Because you're like, I don't know, man. If she feels this way and I feel this way, I'm scared that we can both hold these conflicting opinions and still be a unit underneath of it, some weird fear. Don't we need to be more aligned in order for it to work? Like, I don't think it's entirely disgusting in premise of why you're acting that way. It's just like, well, how are we going to. I remember we had a fight one time about, like, if we had kids, were we going to raise them with religion? And after that fight, I think I had a wise person in AA tell me, I'm sorry, is she pregnant? And I'm like, no. He's like, so why are you fighting today about something that you don't even know is going to happen?

[Chace Crawford]

He thinks could change.

[Dax Shepard]

You're living so far in the future. You guys are having a fight about something in the future that is so out of touch.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And then I never brought it up again. Right.

[Chace Crawford]

We get worried about those things before they happen. One of my biggest things is I'm like a bottler. Passive aggressiveness is a big problem for me. Like, I'll hold on to things and I won't communicate them properly.

[Dax Shepard]

You got a little vault.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You can pull out when necessary.

[Chace Crawford]

I don't run to the hard conversation. It'll turn into a fight and it's about something else. I'll realize, oh, it's actually about all this other stuff. I'm so sorry.

[Dax Shepard]

And you were holding on to six months of shit.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And so that all comes out in the fight.

[Chace Crawford]

It's about like a cup left on the table. You know what I mean? Something so stupid. And then you're like, oh, my God, this is. I'M so sorry. This is not, you know, but that's one thing for me.

[Dax Shepard]

So that's part of the people pleaser thing. Right. Like, will you lose her affection by having these issues?

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

In this relationship?

[Chace Crawford]

It's out of fear of things are safe. Don't rock the boat. Don't do anything that could. Jeopardy.

[Dax Shepard]

Things are just kind of now piling homeostasis.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all little things until they're not Right.

[Lily Padman]

Was there not a lot of fighting in your house growing up, or was there fighting? Because I think it go either way.

[Chace Crawford]

Some of both, really. I mean, my parents are really young. I can't believe they even got through that time of med school. I can barely have a dog now. I'm 40, you know what I mean? I've dealt, you know, 20 with two. Two kids. But they were amazing. Yeah. And they figured it out.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Med school workload and two little kids.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And your mom's living somewhere she didn't want to live, right?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Minnesota. Yeah. She did not like putting those chains on that van.

[Dax Shepard]

She's in Park City. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

So it's not like you grew up around it. So you are emulating it or trying to avoid it.

[Chace Crawford]

Right. I guess it's in relationships you need to run to the hard conversations. No one wants to do it. You got to have the hard conversation sooner rather than later. And that's just what you need to

[Dax Shepard]

do is your move to shut down.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Get quiet and distant and wait for her to figure out why you're hurting.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly. You just resort to being like the child you were with your parents, basically. That's really what it is, you know, oh, my God. I'm doing what I did to my mom. And it's all that stuff. And you always gotta be aware of it.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so good. So the relationship, I'm presuming that was an identity outside of acting.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

That was forward momentum as a human building a life. I imagine those three years bought you a little reprieve from just you sitting there contemplating your career by yourself.

[Chace Crawford]

Completely. She was an actress. It was very much a great support system. It was also, in a weird way, this isn't the only reason I was getting in a relationship, but it was to prove to myself I was capable of being in a successful relationship. So I was motivated to be a good partner and boyfriend, you know, And I definitely failed at that in many ways. But I need to, like, grow up a little bit. It did facilitate that. I learned a lot. You always do Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Was it hard for you to let go of the fun nights out and lock it? Lots of options.

[Chace Crawford]

Yes and no. I definitely still stayed at the party a little too late. Like, I was still, like, having fun with the guys and, like, going out and stuff. Probably could have shut that down a lot sooner. I still like to have fun, but now I'm like, I love home. I love cooking. I love being in a relationship with

[Dax Shepard]

Miles

[Chace Crawford]

with a loaf of white bread. Yeah, that was embarrassing. But that stuff just gets tiring after a while. You just get old.

[Dax Shepard]

It gets less fun.

[Chace Crawford]

It gets less fun. It affects you a lot more. Your body will tell you.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You know, and the illusion, again, I'm a novelty seeker. So it's like, it has the appearance of a novel night, but if you really take inventory, you're like, oh, I do this same thing over and over and over again. Even if I hook up with a new person, it's the same thing. There's really no surprises.

[Chace Crawford]

Exactly. And you feel like it's gonna be this thing, and it's never what it is. For me, it was a bit. The revelry of it being with friends and the drinking. It was always kind of like this high of revelry.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Chace Crawford]

The socializing aspect was tough for me.

[Dax Shepard]

Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. I just had a thought.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I love the intimacy you could have with other men while drunk.

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

I just craved that. And I loved. I show up with a six pack and then now I can say, I love you.

[Chace Crawford]

Your innovations are so down.

[Dax Shepard]

I craved that. That intimacy with men and drinking gave that to me.

[Chace Crawford]

You don't even realize, you know, that's what you're looking for or what you need in your life. And you'll find a lot of them, you know, friends. That you're just friends within that bubble of partying or whatever it is of drinking. Right. And then that disappears and it's okay, you know, it's tougher.

[Dax Shepard]

Jack London, the writer, he wrote a book called John Barleycorn. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

[Chace Crawford]

I have not, no.

[Dax Shepard]

But it's this very, very honest book about his relationship with drinking towards the end of his life. And he was a hardcore alcoholic by the end, where he had to wake up in the middle of night and drink in the the of middle of the night to stay asleep. And it was, I think, reading that book, that occurred to me, oh, that's what I was kind of craving that I loved is he just talks about the Intimacy at a bar with males and how without that, he could have never had that. He couldn't get there without that.

[Lily Padman]

It's a real conversation with that.

[Dax Shepard]

Just the intimacy, the depth of a relationship, saying your fears to another man and all these things you just dare not do sober with another dude.

[Chace Crawford]

It's so hard to get there if you. Feels like it's hard to get there if you're sober. Yeah, I do. Right.

[Dax Shepard]

AA is a hack for that. It's like you're kind of forced to be with these other men.

[Chace Crawford]

It's great doing that, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

We all agree. Let's sit down for an hour and like, be real as.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Talk about we're afraid of how we up in our relationship, what we regret about our parenting. It's like, how are you doing that unless you're hammered at a bar at 2am When I left New York, all

[Chace Crawford]

those guy friends were still in New York. And I didn't realize I was doing a lot of that just to have those connections. And when all that kind of goes away and you realize you're a home, I was like, I really don't have that many friends. Real friends.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

You gravitate to those guys that are going out and the revelry of that and. And connecting with those guys.

[Dax Shepard]

So where were you at optimistically, just before the boys happens? How are you assessing what the future of your life is professionally? Just before the boys?

[Chace Crawford]

It was dark for me. I mean, in my mind it wasn't really, you know, I know I was probably in a place that a lot of people would love to have been.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure you weren't on Taylor's couch, but

[Chace Crawford]

there is that, you know, what have you done for me lately? Type thing and keeping up with the Joneses. Like, what are these guys doing that I'm not, you know, is all that

[Dax Shepard]

you're seeing everyone, you know on billboards all day long.

[Chace Crawford]

Yes. Laughing. Yeah. And there's that anxiety there that I don't get, even if I'm working in Toronto, that you kind of relax when you're out of L. A.

[Dax Shepard]

You have no clue what's going on.

[Lily Padman]

Sebastian's getting like, nominated for Oscars. What the fuck? You can be happy for them and still be like, oh, what am I doing?

[Chace Crawford]

No, no, completely. And I'm in a different place now. I'm almost 41, but I'm much more relaxed. In early 30s. It was just a doom loop. What am I going to do with my life? It felt like there was nothing that was ever going to happen again.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you're 34, probably, right?

[Chace Crawford]

Seven years old, 32 prob.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay.

[Chace Crawford]

And I think I turned 33 the year that the boys happened. I remember reading it and not getting that many good. You know, again, people's casting imaginations limited. I was getting all these things. It was more the same. I didn't want to do. And I read the script to the boys.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like, what the fuck is this?

[Chace Crawford]

This is amazing.

[Dax Shepard]

I would imagine, too, there's a little bit of a gift in that. It's such an enormous swing. I can only imagine reading that first script because that shows so much about execution. That script, the pilot could go so wrong. The odds of it being executed in the way it was. Is I a 1% chance? Yeah. So I also imagine getting that script and going, wow, this is really cool. And also, if I don't get it, this is probably going to fail. I could be liberated by what a big swing it is and not get overly worked up about auditioning for it.

[Chace Crawford]

Honestly, I'm like, how are they going to do this? How are they going to make this thing?

[Dax Shepard]

A guy's getting miniature and going in. A guy's penis exploding the whole body. How the fuck is that?

[Chace Crawford]

It felt like a shot at the moon. Is this too good to be true? Am I tripping? This is insane. And are they letting us do this?

[Dax Shepard]

It goes so hard.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. But I did feel. I was like, this is hilarious. I was like, I know this guy, this narcissistic, unselfaware asshole who's in a therapist couch talking about his only friends is the local lobster. Like, that was the audition scene. It was like a monologue of this thing. I just felt connected to it. And, like, everyone is reading for it. And, yeah, it was a great audition.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. So I'm going to be dead honest with you. Your fear is a little bit grounded. Right. Which is like, I only know of you as an actor on Gossip Girl at that time, and I never watched Gossip Girl, so I just fill in the blanks of what Gossip Girl Girl is.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And so I had this wonderful shocking moment when I'm watching the boys and, you know, maybe Kristen said it out loud first where she's like, fucking chase is so good in this. And I'm like, yeah, this dude's fucking awesome. It was like a huge revelation to me. I was like, well, this dude has got no vanity. You're the butt of every joke, and you are just fucking driving straight into it, and you're not Protecting yourself at all.

[Chace Crawford]

So where you got to play that. That character? It's the only way to do it.

[Dax Shepard]

But a lot of actors would get vain, and they would just wink enough to go, I want you to know I'm in on it.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It's very tempting to go. I want the audience to know I'm a little in on it.

[Chace Crawford]

I've always appreciated in the women I think of, like, Margot Robbie, even on snl, that she's not afraid to go there. And to be crazy or ugly for comedy, the way to go about is. Have no ego about it. I think even Anthony, who plays Homelander on the show, came into it and had the same thought about me. Like, this asshole's gonna try and alpha me out. And it is just not the right way to play it. So we had a good time. Show.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You're so goddamn good.

[Chace Crawford]

And I.

[Dax Shepard]

It's very impressive. Yeah, you're great. And then your body. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Lily Padman]

Your body.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, man, do we amp. We ratcheted up the training for that.

[Chace Crawford]

I did.

[Dax Shepard]

What was the approach? No pasta. No more up in Canada eating spaghetti.

[Chace Crawford]

I'll never do it again. It was bad for six months. I got so excited for this role, and I'm like, I'm gonna get shredded or jacked. You know, just for fun for me, of course. And I don't know what the suit's gonna be. It was sleeveless. Whatever. They didn't give us a trainer. I was like, what? I'm doing on my own. But I did the keto thing for six months. It was good for, like, a few months, and it was brutal. After that, I had to stop it.

[Dax Shepard]

I know people think it's vain and everything, but the sensation of having control over that.

[Chace Crawford]

I was just about to say it gives you control in a way. It's a healthy. I was able to channel my obsession kind of into that without going overboard. And it was a lot of fun, you know, like, have time to do that too. If you're an actor and you're not working, or if you are, but it's. If you're off, it's the only way to, like, structure your day. I feel, like, around a workout or something. It's mentally, for me, like, yeah, I have to do it.

[Dax Shepard]

There's a lot of great performances on that show, but Anthony's is fucking outrageous.

[Chace Crawford]

Outrageous.

[Dax Shepard]

It is outrageous. When Chris and I watch the show, we love the fucking boys so much. We're like, the fact that this guy hasn't won Every single Emmy is absolutely insane.

[Chace Crawford]

Insane. He's even been nominated once.

[Dax Shepard]

Despicable. And yet he has these turns where I feel bad for him.

[Chace Crawford]

And he's funny sometimes.

[Dax Shepard]

He's hilarious, man. Is that a performance? And so I'm at a restaurant like six months ago, and I see him and then we're like, hey. We stand up and we hug. And I'm like, oh, my God, it's so great to meet you finally. And he goes, yeah, yeah, since New Zealand. And I was like, what's he talking about? And he goes, you know, I'm without a paddle. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, my God. Do you remember? You watched it for the reunion. I know, but we have a dead friend. The whole movie's about our dead friend Bill. Billy Newwood. Yeah, he played Billy New guy. And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Chace Crawford]

And I've seen it.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm like, dude, nothing could be more out of context. I met you in New Zealand 20 years ago. And yes, now of course I realize.

[Lily Padman]

Show the dead boy.

[Chace Crawford]

They show him. Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

In the, like, our flashback scenes, we're like, I'm wearing a leather jacket and we're like, young and cool. Right?

[Chace Crawford]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

He was.

[Chace Crawford]

Billy. He's from.

[Dax Shepard]

He's from New Zealand.

[Chace Crawford]

You meet him, he's like, hey, mate, how you doing? You know.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow.

[Chace Crawford]

Different than Homelander. It's great.

[Dax Shepard]

Where did the guy who created it, his name starts with a K. Eric Kripke. Where did he come from?

[Chace Crawford]

He came from Supernatural. I know that show with Jensen Ackles and Padalecki. Jensen was on our show as well. It was great. Shot a long ass run, that show.

[Dax Shepard]

Civil War guy. What was his name?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, Soldier Boy. Soldier boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a spin off. They're doing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, they are? Yeah, they're doing a spin off.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a great character.

[Chace Crawford]

Like a prequel. I don't know all the details, but yeah, it's good.

[Lily Padman]

Are you so excited? You get to play kind of like a weirdo. So against what people think about you.

[Chace Crawford]

It was so refreshing to me. We had a day, like fourth episode, they had a full series order because of Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. Like, they were behind us. They got the full order.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

I'm like, we're middle of the show. I'm like, are the people gonna like this? Because I was like, you know, squirting down the dolphin, like talking to some inanimate dolphin in the back, and they're moving the van and like, Anthony's over there, like in an airplane, not saving anyone because he's like, oh, fuck you guys. It was amazing. We're like, are people gonna, like, connect with it? And people felt really tonally weird.

[Dax Shepard]

So he came from Supernatural. Were Seth and Evan around at all?

[Chace Crawford]

They were actually. They didn't come to set that often. They would be at the press stuff, but they would send me emails like, dude, this one line you ad lib. I keep replaying it. Like they were watching. I was like, oh, that's really cool. Like, Evan would like, email me sometimes. And they were just super fans of the show. There really are, like comic book fans at heart. And they just wanted to, like, do what they love.

[Dax Shepard]

Now, did they have you in mind or did you have to really win them over for this? How did you get it?

[Chace Crawford]

I don't know the entire genesis of it. I remember them landing on. They want to cast people that aren't all their famous friends, basically.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Chace Crawford]

So they wanted to read everyone for it. And Kripke was in every room for every single, I think, except Anthony. I think Anthony was in New Zealand, made some tape and they're like, we want that guy. I remember going in and it was like 60 people. I saw the thing. I'm like, oh. I realize. I'm like, I'm last of the day.

[Dax Shepard]

What's the worst name you saw on the list? And I don't mean they're bad, but you're just like, oh, I'm fucked.

[Chace Crawford]

Like actors, you know, you mean well.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll give you an example. I remember going in for Baby Mama and I'm sitting in the waiting room and he's not next to me, James Gordon. And he's telling me they just flew him from London for this callback. And I go, well, I'm done. They're not spending 15 grand to bring this guy from London here. But these moments in auditions where you're just like, I'm dead.

[Chace Crawford]

I remember recognizing some names and some friends who had like Ben. They weren't actually in the room because I was like, last. I remember being upset. These people aren't gonna. It's like a Tuesday, 60 people all day. And I didn't even realize that Kripke was going to be in the room at the time. I didn't really know. Maybe he was like the creator, maybe I knew he's like a producer, but I remember being just irritated. And that's kind of the best. Sometimes the best state to be.

[Dax Shepard]

Cuz you, like, you kind of don't care.

[Chace Crawford]

At that point, you just don't care. You're not. Don't have this air of like, hi, like, nice to meet you.

[Dax Shepard]

I can't get it now.

[Chace Crawford]

You know, I remember it's before the holidays. I'm like, they're not even going to remember this. They're going to go on hiatus, top of the year. They're going to keep recasting it, bring it back in for a million different reads. So I was literally the last person in there. And I was kind of mad. Just kind of went in there and did it. And I kind of heard Kri chuckling in the corner. And then he was like, okay, try do it. Like, you know, he kind of throw me a few improv things.

[Dax Shepard]

And, you know, the lob lobster was your thing.

[Chace Crawford]

And then it was that. And then an intense scene with Starlight, Aaron's character. They changed it in the pilot, in the real pilot with what I actually do, which is a crazy thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Sexually assaulter. Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

That wasn't in any of the pilots or anything.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. They were holding that.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. They were like, hey, this was like a big storyline jumping off for her character in the comics. And we're actually gonna put that back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna be the guy to do it. Oh, I remember being very nervous. Me too. Was going out. I was like, oh, God, this is terrible. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. A lot of people were like, I'm not playing that. I don't want to play that.

[Chace Crawford]

I remember being like, okay, I'm just going to own this. We're going to talk about it and talk about it. We can get this thing right. And they did. Took it with very great care. And I was nervous, as all you know about that airing. And like, oh, my God, what are people going to say? Is this going to be the right timing? And not wanting to be a big joke either. Like, we were making fun of it. They did in a very real way. And it was dark. That was kind of the theme of the show. Like, you don't want to meet your heroes.

[Dax Shepard]

The way they handle the tonal shifts on that show is sublime. It's like you get every single thing you could want in a show in that thing.

[Chace Crawford]

Crippy's genius. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You're bringing back so many audition memories. Thinking of sitting in the room, I can tell you. I've been numerous occasions, like, I have an audition where I'm going to have to cry, and I'm like, yeah, I can't do that on cue. Right. And you're sitting there, you can hear a guy who's three feet away divided by. By a paper door and this guy's balling. And I can hear it.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And you're just like, oh, I'm so

[Chace Crawford]

toss the paper there.

[Dax Shepard]

You want to leave. You go. I said just get up right now.

[Lily Padman]

That's when you go in and you're like, so I'm making a different choice.

[Chace Crawford]

And it's a choice I presume you guys saw crying.

[Lily Padman]

So I'm gonna do this other thing that's very hard to do also.

[Chace Crawford]

He's like a trained British dude. Of course.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, oh my God, you're arc on the show. Yeah. You sexually assault someone terrible. Then you got to rehab your public Persona and you join this very Scientology esque church.

[Chace Crawford]

Amazing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Lose your autonomy in there. And then they pair you with a wife and then she ditches you and then you find love with an octopus. Like, have you pushed back ever? I imagine after season one, they've built now some confidence with you. Like these can pull off anything. So I'm now I can go with God, you and her, like season two, just going like, oh yeah, I'll snorkel beer out of someone's ass. Like I'll do anything they say, cuz they can land the plane.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah. I mean, season two was great because they had this mushroom tea thing and I was like tripping with the gills and talking to them. I thought that was so great and funny. But then season two, well, Crypty called me up and he's like, have you seen like my octopus teacher? And I was like, yeah.

[Lily Padman]

He's like, where you going?

[Chace Crawford]

Seem like that guy was like trying to the octopus. I was like kind of, what are you talking about, man? Like, that's your storyline. I remember being hesitant, but then he was like, no, no, no. But it's real. Like you can't connect with humans. That's like your safe space. And you keep her like in a tank in your closet.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

You're kind of mean. She feels like a secret and she's

[Lily Padman]

ashamed of her very.

[Chace Crawford]

He's like, you're reading poetry to me. She's brilliant.

[Dax Shepard]

You fucking didn't clean her tank, man.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Not only will you not let her be in the tank by your bed, but like is filthy.

[Lily Padman]

Well, people can't see, but she's sitting

[Dax Shepard]

in there in a murky.

[Lily Padman]

You know what? It's kind of like when people fell in love with their slaves.

[Chace Crawford]

Munchausen syndrome kind of thing.

[Lily Padman]

Well, no, like really, when people Fell in love with their slaves, but they were still enslaved. And it was like, you're over there, but I'm gonna. Yeah, maybe I will cut that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, we'll probably take.

[Lily Padman]

I make the decisions.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, you'll. You'll decide. Hopefully you're in a good mood.

[Lily Padman]

But also, Munchausen's I'm very interested in as well.

[Dax Shepard]

That's her favorite.

[Lily Padman]

Munchausen.

[Dax Shepard]

Two favorite topics are CTE and Munchausen.

[Chace Crawford]

Really interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

If you met someone who. There's. Munchausen. Was claiming they had cte, you would spray.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, I see. Like, part of their Munchausen is that.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, faking that they had cte.

[Lily Padman]

Hold on.

[Chace Crawford]

You know, let's be honest.

[Lily Padman]

I don't want someone with cte. I'm just always on the lookout for cte. I just think it's everywhere. I think a lot of people have it.

[Dax Shepard]

She thinks 60% you might have it.

[Lily Padman]

You played football, so hate to tell.

[Chace Crawford]

I might actually.

[Lily Padman]

I had a couple concussions.

[Dax Shepard]

And she has looked many guests in the face and said, do you think you have ct? There could be nothing scarier to evaluate is whether or not you're about to turn now.

[Chace Crawford]

I'm not sure.

[Lily Padman]

Maybe.

[Dax Shepard]

Thanks for suggesting that.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, you should get that early checked out.

[Dax Shepard]

I did lose my temper at the grocery store yesterday, so.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chace Crawford]

I've been volatile recently. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

My God. Now I hear that it's the biggest show on Prime. Do you have any sense of, like, how big it is? I want to know. I want to understand.

[Chace Crawford]

I want to know, too. I guess they don't release the numbers they say it is.

[Dax Shepard]

It's a very global show.

[Chace Crawford]

It is. Which was kind of shocking because humor, that's the one thing they want is like, a global show nowadays. And it was shocking that our show, the humor crossed over.

[Dax Shepard]

All people are disgusting. It turns out everyone's a dirt bag.

[Chace Crawford]

Superhero genre was saturated with the same formulaic storyline. Anytime the show comes out, there is, like, an influx of people like, you know, flight attendant. Like, oh, my God, you can tell people are watching it. Even in, like, Europe to Brazil, like, people are crazy about the show. It's a good feeling, you know? Yeah, it's really nice.

[Lily Padman]

They just cannot miss.

[Chace Crawford]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

They're so goddamn talented.

[Lily Padman]

They're so good.

[Chace Crawford]

I'll say, though. Even internationally, though, it's more Gossip Girl stuff.

[Dax Shepard]

That was hugely syndicated. Right.

[Lily Padman]

I sometimes turn it on for a little comfort show.

[Chace Crawford]

Good background.

[Lily Padman]

Good old background.

[Dax Shepard]

2009, you got people's Summer's hottest Bachelor.

[Chace Crawford]

Did I. You did.

[Dax Shepard]

I would be both extremely flattered. And, like, that's so specific. Did you have to make up this category? Summer's Hottest Look. People's. Summer's Hottest Bachelor. Such a specific award.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Congratulations. 2009.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

My heyday. This is unfair on me. But what happened with Footloose? Why were you rehearsing for that?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, that was an interesting story.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What happened?

[Chace Crawford]

I remember really wanting it. It was Kenny Ortega, who's amazing. I remember telling him. I'm like, I can't sing or dance. It was an interesting challenge because they're like, no, we're gonna, like, learn into this thing. And they're like, we're gonna fly you out and do a big screen test. And I rehearsed for it a little bit, but they were just kind of testing out if I was even trainable. You know, basic body wear, connected with your body. Right. And I had a whole day of that. And what was funny about that day, they put in this, like, reader to read Opposite Me, a female actress. And she was really good and natural, and we'd eat lunch, and she was cool. From Kentucky is Jennifer Lawrence.

[Lily Padman]

Jennifer Lawrence as the reader?

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, as the reader. And she was, like, 17. Probably hadn't even done that first. Winter's Bone had done Winter's Bone. Definitely not yet. But her be really cool. I was like, hey, thank you for being there with me, like, all day. She was like, yeah, it was really good and whatever. But I remember it was Jennifer.

[Lily Padman]

That's so funny.

[Chace Crawford]

So I did that, and I felt good about it. You know, Kenny Ortega was like, oh, it's great. You know, you do this thing. And I think they wanted to go in a totally different direction. At some point, they hired a new director. Like, oh, but you're still gonna be the guy. I had signed a contract that I didn't even know what this meant, pay or play at the time.

[Dax Shepard]

So that's my dream.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Never happened since you get paid whether you do the thing or not. So I remember being kind of irritated it didn't work out because I, like the new director. Craig Brewer seemed to be a cool guy, and they went, like, maybe darker with it, but I get it. They hired. I forget his name, but they hired Dancer. I remember doing a screen test with Julian Huff. That's right. And she was phenomenal dancing. And she got me there, and she made me look good.

[Dax Shepard]

Drug you along.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Literally, like, threw me around.

[Chace Crawford]

I was like, she's gonna be great. I have fun with her doing that screen test. But anyway, I remember, like, go with God. That's great. And I got paid to do it.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Chace Crawford]

I felt like I'm like, I probably would have not been able to dance

[Lily Padman]

or sing properly, but ego wise, that hurts because it's like, oh my God, they don't want me so badly that they're gonna pay me anyway.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, totally. I remember feeling okay with it. I got, hey, I got paid enough to not do this thing and I don't have to sing and dance. I got out of it.

[Lily Padman]

They don't have to do. Why would they do that?

[Dax Shepard]

Because they need you committed. And then likewise, they can sue you for that money if you don't show up. So it's like, it's a mutually assured annihilation kind of situation. But the only time it happened to me where it was really great is I got fired from Will and Grace.

[Chace Crawford]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Episode of Will and Grace in a table read.

[Chace Crawford]

Come on. That's a crazy story because they always tell you you're not going to get fired at the table read, but it happens.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm going further and said that. They kind of begged me to do it. I was like, I was too busy. I'm doing this show, but I'm friends with Sean Hayes. Finally I'll do it all to come in and just get fired.

[Chace Crawford]

That's hilarious.

[Dax Shepard]

But they were like, you know, of course they're gonna still pay you. I was like, okay, that's kind of cool. And then that same week, Netflix called and they're like, do you wanna be a guest judge on this cooking show? And it's X amount of money. So I just remember that day being on there and being like, oh, wow, I'm getting paid for Will and Grace right now. And this cooking show worked out. Fuck. I finally got my dream come true. Amazing.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Double dipping.

[Chace Crawford]

That's great. That's great.

[Dax Shepard]

We share in common that we've both been directed by Lake Bell.

[Chace Crawford]

I love Lake Belle. Yeah. Jingzie Nance.

[Lily Padman]

I just saw her yesterday.

[Chace Crawford]

Did you?

[Lily Padman]

She's the best.

[Chace Crawford]

She's the best.

[Lily Padman]

You gotta go to her auction thing next time she does this auction.

[Chace Crawford]

I love to.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll tell you, I love auctions. I never miss an auction. Well, they were right, these people that told us. You're a fucking champ, Chase, man.

[Chace Crawford]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Season five obviously just started airing.

[Chace Crawford]

Just came out. Yeah, last week.

[Lily Padman]

So exciting.

[Dax Shepard]

I know you've already been asked this and I think think you're smart. Insane that the Deep is a Tricky character to try to have his own show because you need some kind of redemption. He's not a fun character if he's redeemed in some weird way.

[Chace Crawford]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dax Shepard]

But with all that said, how do we keep doing the deep man?

[Chace Crawford]

I'll tell you. I pitched them a spinoff, like, three years ago. Evan and Kripke, loose pitch. Like, over, like. Like email. Or maybe it was in person. Like, it was. I mean, in hindsight, it might have been before Barry, but it was like, what if he's, like, a shitty actor? He's kicked out and he's like a D list actor. You do, like, some really funny B movie. But it was like, you see him shooting the bad movie, like Tropic Thunder. But it's like, Barry, it was kind of all over the place pitch. But I was like, what if he has to come to LA and we'll make fun of the industry type of thing? They liked it. Like, oh, yeah. But, like, you know, now it's like, no one's opening the wallets to do many things, but how do we keep them? He doesn't have to be fully redeemed, but it would be fun to, like, do a half hour comedy.

[Dax Shepard]

All right, well, you probably have other plans, but I don't hate the idea of you playing the deep in your free time.

[Lily Padman]

You could be president.

[Chace Crawford]

It could be.

[Lily Padman]

Be like, idiocracy.

[Chace Crawford]

That's a good idea.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

You know.

[Dax Shepard]

All right, well, Chase, what a delight. This has been so fun. Everyone was right.

[Chace Crawford]

Pleasure, man.

[Dax Shepard]

And everyone should check out the boys. Sincerely, if you don't watch the boys. Who was I just talking to that said they had a. Oh, fucking Tyler outside. I couldn't believe Tyler on it. I'm like, what do you hate to laugh at?

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, you guys are fans, man. No, thank you. Oh, huge.

[Dax Shepard]

Huge. And then our friend Anna.

[Lily Padman]

Anna, she loves it. We got screened dinners and I tried to give them to her. That's illegal. It didn't work anyway, so she was pissed.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, leave that in. Or not. That'll be like. With the slavery thing, whether you're okay.

[Lily Padman]

I'm not staying.

[Dax Shepard]

All right, Great meeting you.

[Chace Crawford]

Nice to meet you too, man.

[Dax Shepard]

Good luck with everything.

[Chace Crawford]

Thank you, guys.

[Dax Shepard]

I sure hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out when my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells us what was wrong. We were just discussing what your nephew, Right.

[Lily Padman]

Yes. What my nephew will call me.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Because the girl's called Carly. Titi.

[Lily Padman]

Yes. Which is so cute.

[Dax Shepard]

And Is her permanent name now.

[Lily Padman]

I know. No, I. I forget. Her name's Carly sometimes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I only call her Titi. I call her Titi to her face. I like it. It's so cute. It's so much more endearing.

[Lily Padman]

Exactly. Nicknames are always better than non nicknames. Sorry.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, not always, but sure.

[Lily Padman]

Well, if they're mean, those are slurs.

[Dax Shepard]

You do occasionally meet someone, you're like, oh, that's your nickname.

[Lily Padman]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

What's your real name? Like Blaze. You know, Gunner. Gunner.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, guys, those aren't nicknames, okay? Okay. Those are like pseudonym. Those are like. They took that on as their person. But a nickname, a shortened or cute version of your name or something people call you to be. To love you is so. It's the best. The best.

[Dax Shepard]

Best dad. I cherish dad.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, that's the best.

[Dax Shepard]

Aaron calls me.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, that one's. Really.

[Dax Shepard]

No one else does.

[Lily Padman]

Well, two people do. Three people do, including Aaron.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah. And TT Sometimes. Yep.

[Chace Crawford]

Huh.

[Dax Shepard]

And you Sometimes. I'm sad. Rob. Rob's never called me dad or Daddy.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, Rob. You don't have to call me Daddy.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay, HR I'll go with Daddy.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll do.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, my God.

[Chace Crawford]

I just.

[Dax Shepard]

That would be such a wonderfully uncomfortable thing for you and I to have as a bit that in public, he called me Daddy. And he would be like, what an unhealthy work environment.

[Lily Padman]

Exactly, Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

In front of a guest. In front of guest.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you want your coffee, Daddy?

[Lily Padman]

Daddy, are you ready for your coffee?

[Dax Shepard]

If you're my son, I mean, the age gap is such that they might think you're my son.

[Lily Padman]

Well, you do look quite young, Rob. Wobby wob.

[Dax Shepard]

How old are you again, Rob? 37. Yeah, no problem.

[Lily Padman]

No problem.

[Dax Shepard]

13, 14. I'm 51.

[Lily Padman]

You're 12 years older than me. So you're 13 years older than Rob.

[Dax Shepard]

Look, he's 37. I'm 51. That's 14.

[Lily Padman]

But you're January.

[Dax Shepard]

Although I'm June. I'm almost 30.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. June.

[Dax Shepard]

He's close to January. Okay. I have a funny story.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, great.

[Dax Shepard]

So you may remember that I was asked to go speak at Delta's class about Malala.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Which was a little stressful because I'm not an expert on Malala. I certainly did my research.

[Lily Padman]

So she did a report, right?

[Dax Shepard]

Delta, they had a whole section on her. They had read her maybe both of her books. And, you know, they really got into everything that happened in Pakistan. And then. So Ms. Brown, who I love, shout out Ms. Brown. She invited me to talk about Malala. And then, of course, it evolved into, like, the boys asking me what sports stars we interviewed, which was hilarious. What's so funny is I couldn't. On the spot, I couldn't think of anyone.

[Lily Padman]

Tom Brady.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I got to him.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

But mind you, we've had so many. Like, I couldn't remember Shad, Andy Roddick.

[Lily Padman]

Oh. Oh, Lord.

[Dax Shepard]

Right? I was just, like, one of the ones, like, you ever interview any sports? You know?

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. So. Dwayne Wade, Yo.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, there's been a million. But I did. I was like, oh, yeah. Well, I've done a lot of. And I'm like, I've done a lot of NBA players. I know. I've done some NFL players. And then I go, oh, Tom Brady. That's the one I came up with.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. In this kid, literally, we could say Simone Biles, but she won't. Come on. We would have said you. We would have said it.

[Dax Shepard]

I'd remember her the most.

[Lily Padman]

Yep.

[Dax Shepard]

But this. I said, tom Brady. And this boy shot out of his chair. He couldn't sit in his chair. He said, you interviewed Tom. It was so funny. Anyways, that was that. I did that. So Lincoln's whole seventh grade class is doing a whole segment on. For, I think, literature or English or whatever. A whole segment on podcasting. Like, for, I guess, months, they're gonna learn about podcasting, and then I think they're all gonna make. Make a podcast. Right.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, she has such a leg up.

[Chace Crawford]

Well, so one of the.

[Dax Shepard]

One of the teachers said, would, you know, would your dad be willing to come in and talk?

[Lily Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And then. So Lincoln asked me, and I said, yeah, of course. And so it was approaching. And then the night before, Lincoln was such a ball of nerves as. I totally understand. I mean, the notion of one of my parents coming into my seventh grade. I just.

[Lily Padman]

And you're a live wire. Live.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm a live wire. But I just would have been terrified, like, you know, for so many reasons. Like a. I hope they think they're cool. If they're not, I gotta fight everyone. If you think my mom. If you're mean to my mom. Now I gotta fight everyone.

[Lily Padman]

If anyone's, like, makes fun of you

[Dax Shepard]

or makes fun of my mom, everyone's dead.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

So anyways, so I know it's stressful, and I'm. I'm already honored she's even open to letting me come. I guess that says a lot. But the night before, she was like, okay, you cannot wear those. Your light Colored Levi's that have a hole in the back.

[Lily Padman]

That's fair. And I was like, okay, it's inappropriate.

[Dax Shepard]

You cannot wear a headband. And I go, okay, what do you think people are going to think? You know, I like to poke. What do you think? You know?

[Lily Padman]

What did you. What did she say?

[Dax Shepard]

Just don't wear it.

[Lily Padman]

It's drawing too much.

[Dax Shepard]

And then I said, okay, well, I'll just wear a hat. She goes, you cannot wear a hat. You can't imagine, Monica, what this list became of. Of things I could and could not wear.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Was it all aesthetic based or was it like, you can't say this or you can't.

[Dax Shepard]

No, it was all aesthetic. Well, okay. We had this bit going. This backs up a whole week. Thank goodness. The teacher urged the students to write out questions, like, last week. And so Lincoln said, I want to hear, like, what are your answers going to be to one of these questions? And also, I don't know why. We've been watching a good deal of British stuff. I don't know. That's in the mix. So I said, okay, let's workshop this. And you be Lincoln in this situation. Okay. This is a week ago.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And I said, ask me how many episodes we've done. Yes.

[Lily Padman]

Mr. Lincoln's dad.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

How many episodes of your podcast have you made?

[Dax Shepard]

A thousand. That's a lot, isn't it?

[Chace Crawford]

Ew.

[Dax Shepard]

Isn't it? Ew. It's a lot episodes, ain't it? What do you think?

[Chace Crawford]

Ain't it? It's so aggressive.

[Lily Padman]

It's so aggressive and loud. Like, why'd it get so loud?

[Dax Shepard]

I think what made it so funny for both of us is if anyone might do that, you know, there is just a thin threat of that. That's what makes it good. Of course I would never do that.

[Lily Padman]

Are you sure?

[Dax Shepard]

But she has seen me act bizarre enough that I'm sure some tinge of her is like, jesus, does he think he's gonna do this?

[Chace Crawford]

And I'm gonna laugh.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So I keep hitting her with ittin it all and then I am told all these things I gotta wear. Okay, so then you and I recorded someone. We had to record someone earlier than we normally do so that I could get there. That's why we did it.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. We had a 10am I know.

[Lily Padman]

And I didn't know why, but I figured it was just because it wasn't yesterday, was it?

[Dax Shepard]

It was two days ago.

[Lily Padman]

Two days ago.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. So I left that interview And I think I was wearing a hat or I don't even know what the hell was going on. But the point is, is I went upstairs and I put on, like, all the appropriate, approved clothes. And then I got in front of the mirror and. Monica, I have never fretted over my hair, which in my way, worse than if I'm like, on my way to Kimmel, which I do my own hair when I'm on a talk show. I was in there like, fuck, this is it. And I was, like, wrestling with it, and I was like, fuck, it does not. It's so important I don't embarrass her.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, it's so cute. Because this. Yeah, I imagine, like, if I'm. If I'm putting myself as a little girl and my dad's coming to class and I'm like, oh, my God, imagine

[Dax Shepard]

that Ashok's on his way.

[Lily Padman]

Please do not. Just don't, don't, don't, don't. But then now cut to however many years, you know, 20 years later, since I'm so young.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

That if I heard that he was like, worried about his hair because I said that, like, oh, man.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Anywho, how did it go?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, so it was not just her class, you know, it was the entire seventh grade.

[Lily Padman]

How many people?

[Dax Shepard]

88.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So first of all, I got there, greeted by one of the teachers. They're all so awesome. This is so lucky. I'm just so delighted with the school that goes to. Yeah. And of course they want to know. They want to know everything. They want to know what kind of show it is. It's an interview show. What makes a good interviewer. And then they want to know the mechanics of it. Right. Like, you record for how long, what's the editing process, like, all that kind of stuff. But at any rate, they did open it up to questions. And again, this is the incredible. Like, I can't even compute what happens at this school. Cause it's all girls.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, that's important to say it's all girls. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

One hand after another. Boom, boom. Every girl had a question. They're so confident and they're just, question, question, question. It was really, really fun. And Lincoln sat in the directly front row in front of me, and I said to her, I'm like, I thought you were more of like a burnout. Like I was. I thought you'd be in the back row trying to hide and. And, yeah, yeah. And then I took a big swing.

[Chace Crawford]

Uh huh.

[Dax Shepard]

What'd you do? I got asked. I Can't remember the exact wording of it, but I got asked, like, have I ever gotten really emotional in one of the interviews or something like that? Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Wow, that's an astute question.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. But it was.

[Chace Crawford]

It was a little.

[Dax Shepard]

I wish I could remember the particulars. However the question was, it led me to. And soon as I started talking about, I was like, this is a disaster. But I. I'm pot committed. I've already begun talking about it. Which was Dove Cameron.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, I thought about your mom.

[Dax Shepard]

No, just as bad. I said, does anyone know Dove Cameron? All of them know Dove Cameron.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, Right. Well, they should start listening.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, they're. They're young.

[Lily Padman]

I was going to ask how many do you convert? Like, honestly, we need them. That's the age I'd say of this.

[Dax Shepard]

88, maybe six are in. Yeah. That's pretty good. Pick up six listeners.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. So they all knew Dove.

[Dax Shepard]

They all knew Dove. And I'm explaining the episode and I

[Lily Padman]

told them what happened to her.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, her father died by suicide.

[Lily Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And she thought he didn't love her.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. It's horrifying. It's so sad.

[Dax Shepard]

And then she found this box.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And she found this baby book. And in it he had written my best friend.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. That's the saddest.

[Dax Shepard]

And then as I'm telling it, of course, I'm back in the moment that I totally broke down the first time we heard the story.

[Lily Padman]

Such a. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And then here's the biggest. This could have been career ending for me as a parent. And I said. And I was very emotional because this little person's my best friend.

[Lily Padman]

Oh. And then what did she.

[Dax Shepard]

That could have been really embarrassing for her.

[Lily Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

And I don't think so. She looked at me and smiled. So fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I rode home and I got another helmet. And then I came back and I picked her up and we rode home together. And she said she was really proud of me.

[Lily Padman]

Oh.

[Dax Shepard]

All told, it went well, but high stakes again. I don't get nervous to go speak in front of people. People. And I was. I was very nervous.

[Lily Padman]

You should. Yeah. I'm glad you took it seriously.

[Dax Shepard]

Her only complaint was the way I was calling on people. I got a little too animated when I was calling you. Oh, my God.

[Chace Crawford]

Great.

[Dax Shepard]

Back row. You know, that I was getting. I was getting pumped. Especially if someone seemed shyer. I was like really trying to.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, that's the.

[Dax Shepard]

Celebrate them the worst.

[Lily Padman]

Cuz they want. They like, they're already nervous. And then you make. Listen. So we had that day. The interview that we did in the morning that you were coming from was also a very.

[Dax Shepard]

I told them about it.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Because they asked me if I ever interviewed a killer.

[Lily Padman]

Well, that. We can't tell people that. Well, I guess we can. Guys, there's a. There's an interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

I've not interviewed a killer that I know of, but one hour ago.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I told him that.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. And then that episode. Okay. Also has any parent, like, reached out, like, hey, please don't ever.

[Dax Shepard]

Hey.

[Lily Padman]

It was a little inappropriate for you to bring up.

[Dax Shepard]

I was debating those things because I got into real dicey. I did paint myself into a corner really quick. I had, like, a panic because they asked me who I'd want to interview. That's dead. And I was like, oh, my God. We just had this kind of debate on the podcast, and all of a sudden I'm saying, I'd interview Jesus. And this is a. This is a Catholic school.

[Lily Padman]

Well, that's. They probably like that more.

[Dax Shepard]

But I was saying why I want to interview him is I'd love to be able to look at him and see, like. Like, is this guy really. I was just honest.

[Lily Padman]

You said that?

[Dax Shepard]

I did. I said. And then I realized later, after I had given that answer, that I just assumed I'll be talking to him in English. And I remembered, this guy doesn't speak English. I'm saying all this in front of the. And the teachers are around, and I'm like, sorry to go.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, God. Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

I said. And then I realized, oh, he doesn't speak English. And then I said, but then I realized, oh, well, that would be the proof. If he magically just started speaking English, I'd be like, wow, this is. This guy really is the son of God. I said all that.

[Lily Padman]

That's crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

It was an hour and 40 minutes. Okay, that's a long time to get me talking where I'm not gonna. But the teachers did not mind it. I. I was, like, checking in with them a little bit, and I think they're just like, yeah, we're here to debate this.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, well, that's cool. Did you mention JonBenet Ramsey? She was an important part of that conversation.

[Dax Shepard]

I did not bring up.

[Lily Padman]

John, what if you were like, you know, there was a girl about you,

[Dax Shepard]

your age, Boy, I want to look out at you guys.

[Lily Padman]

I can't help but think of, yeah, okay. Well, that's awesome that you did that.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm just basing it on, like, Lincoln's hip. She knows what's going on. I'm just granting the rest of them the same like cognitive aptitude as her.

[Lily Padman]

It's not, but it's not okay. I. What I wouldn't. What I would push back a second on. They can be smart and thoughtful and curious, but a lot. There is a wide range of, of how exposed that age is.

[Dax Shepard]

There's a wide range, but I don't. They're all watching Netflix. They're all listening to the news like they know what's going on in the world. They know there's murderers. They know people do and don't believe in God. Like they, they're not 8 year olds.

[Chace Crawford]

And.

[Dax Shepard]

And I just, I. I always hated being pandered to.

[Lily Padman]

I know. That's what I'm saying. You're. You're doing some pretty rejection because you, you hated that.

[Dax Shepard]

Possibly. And. Or so some percentage. Yes.

[Lily Padman]

Did you bring up anything sexual?

[Dax Shepard]

Nothing sexual.

[Lily Padman]

Oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Thank you. Yeah, no, I. That's. It's an all girls school. I'm an old dude. No, I was somehow. Thank goodness anyone was hot or anything.

[Lily Padman]

Oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Not the students, the guests. None of our guests. I was. I didn't say any of our guests were hot. You know who was the sexiest guests we ever had? What have I said that.

[Lily Padman]

Oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Like I know nobody asks question in. Yeah, nobody asks but I know you're thinking it anyway. I do. I am. I am. I am a firm believer in the fact that the kids know way more than you think they do and it's okay to talk about things. If they get to see murders and stuff, then we can talk about everything.

[Lily Padman]

I guess that's true.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I think the whole like protecting people from topics is the way to navigate topics.

[Lily Padman]

But I also don't think they're going to be protect like, like I think just because I didn't talk to my parents about certain things didn't mean I was like sheltered in the world. You, you talk to your friends about it and you figured out that's always.

[Dax Shepard]

My point is like yeah, you found out all of them but you found out from peers and it would have been cool to have the parents perspective as an adult who's been through some stuff.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad it went well. I do think you failed on a like big opportunity to get us some listeners. Well, yeah. Armchair. Did you bring up Armchair Anonymous?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I think, I think Lincoln did.

[Lily Padman]

See, she's doing the Lord's work. Ding ding, ding for us.

[Dax Shepard]

Stay tuned. For more Armchair Expert, if you dare. Well, what's problematic about Armchair Anonymous? I just, you know, I say, like, we do a show. I was explaining Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and I was talking about our. Our workflow, you know, interviews with listeners. Yeah, we don't have a single prompt that's really cool to tell them about Armchair Anonymous. Well, you want to talk about Dicey

[Lily Padman]

Water, but they're all listening.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, the funny thing is, is that is the show they would want to listen to.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

But I wasn't really free to promote it because, again, the topic I wouldn't have felt comfortable.

[Lily Padman]

No, you just say. Well, because there's one topic that pops in your mind all the time, but we have others.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like evacuation.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, you don't have to do that one either.

[Dax Shepard]

It's like, all I could think about when they. They wanted to know what the show was about is just all I kept thinking about is the guy who cut his own penis off. I was like, don't tell that your brain does that. You're like, whatever you do, do not mention. It's like the second that question was asked, I just thought of that penis thing. I was like. And that's all I could think about is, don't say that. Okay, example.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, well, would you.

[Dax Shepard]

Would that story have popped into your mind?

[Lily Padman]

No, never.

[Dax Shepard]

Which one would have popped?

[Lily Padman]

I guess I would have been like, oh, tell us about a. A bad job interview or tell us about a meet queue.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah, we do have nice ones.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, there are definitely ones you could

[Dax Shepard]

have said, yeah, water parks is this week.

[Lily Padman]

Water park parks.

[Dax Shepard]

Water parks.

[Lily Padman]

Those are great.

[Dax Shepard]

But then nasty stuff happen at the water park.

[Lily Padman]

You don't have to tell them what happens. They're really funny stories that all am.

[Dax Shepard]

Nasty.

[Lily Padman]

People love to. People your age tend to listen and love them. You just. You just give them the links and then have them click. In fact. So Lincoln is running for an office at school, and I haven't told her this yet, but.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

When she wins. Yeah, I hope. Maybe, like, I'm just, like, hoping she's in charge of the announcements or something.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

Okay. And then she can play clips and slowly convert.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

A whole school.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah, you gotta think future leaders.

[Lily Padman]

Exactly. Gotta think ahead.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, I look out at that audience of. Of young ladies, and I was like, these girls got it.

[Lily Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, they're. They're such badasses.

[Lily Padman]

So cool.

[Dax Shepard]

I was in the audience. I. I saw myself. She was in the dead back row.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, no.

[Dax Shepard]

I have a question. I Have two questions. One was legit. She goes. Second question. Why haven't you interviewed me? When are you going to interview me? And I'm like, all you gotta do is win a Nobel Peace Prize. I got a seat open for you.

[Lily Padman]

So she's funny.

[Dax Shepard]

Later. Second round of questioning. Right back at it. When am I gonna be on the show?

[Lily Padman]

She didn't know that the.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, like, this is me. I'm looking at me.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Does Lincoln get along with her?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I asked her about her specifically. I'm like, I like that girl in the back row. And she's like, yeah, she's got, you know, problems.

[Chace Crawford]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lily Padman]

She's considered the bad kid.

[Dax Shepard]

And I guess we had this, but we never said it this way, but they have friendship groups.

[Lily Padman]

Oh yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And they're like delineated and everyone knows what friendship group they're in. And like. And there's migration. Like someone will try to join a different friendship group and they all sit together and stuff.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Lunch.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So that gal was not in her friendship group.

[Lily Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Which is not to say she doesn't like her.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

She doesn't dislike the people not in her friendship.

[Lily Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

It's complex, man.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, I remember they. I remember it's. Remember it. It still exists. It still exists. It's actually really funny because I have a few new friends, which is weird. You know, as an adult, it's those of one weird to have new friends. And I have a few new friends and like they, they have friendship groups and I have a friendship group and it's like kind of weird to like cross pollinate. Yeah. And it, I guess it just never ends. Like you're like, oh, but would they like me? Well, because you know the podcast, I'm currently obsessed with one.

[Dax Shepard]

One person's in that podcast.

[Lily Padman]

Well, Aaron and Sarah's podcast.

[Chace Crawford]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

They're friends with one of my new friends.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

And it's so strange.

[Dax Shepard]

Are you going back? Unless you are. You're how many? Like, what's your routine right now?

[Lily Padman]

I don't know. It's like every night or I feel weird about it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

You don't want this to get back to them. But it will. Cuz we speak, clear it freely.

[Dax Shepard]

But you're like peak obsession right now.

[Lily Padman]

And I know what I know this is no offense to Aaron and said the podcast is great. Very. I mean obviously I find it extremely enjoyable.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

But what I think is like, oh, I'm self soothing somehow and I don't know what I don't Know why? Like, I don't know what's causing that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And why that's the salve.

[Lily Padman]

Yes. I think it probably has to do with moving into this big house and being by myself.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

Maybe that, like, I have friends around in quotes around my house. You know, just, like, makes the house more lively.

[Dax Shepard]

So you have it playing throughout the house and you walk from room to room.

[Lily Padman]

I have that ability. I have speakers. But I just do carry my phone. I do know how.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay.

[Lily Padman]

But I have found myself. I just carry my phone around.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you ever put the speaker?

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, I do. For music. I do. When I have friends over entertaining in

[Dax Shepard]

your new friendship group.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. But maybe because it doesn't feel like they're with me if they're in the wall.

[Dax Shepard]

If you're not holding them.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. And it's interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

I think it's an old sav. If I could. And I don't know the show. What I know is.

[Lily Padman]

And I say salve, but I just sal.

[Dax Shepard]

I say salv.

[Lily Padman]

I know you make it the L silent, so I don't know what's right.

[Dax Shepard]

Probably you. I always defer to you. So I know Aaron and Sarah. I've known Sarah for 22 years, I guess. And I like both of them so much. And so just let me say that.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I've never listened to the show, so I don't. I don't really. I have no position to have this opinion, but I'm gonna have it anyways. You know, they're very popular girls. They're like hot, popular girls. And I think your sav was like, friends. Friends is very hot, popular kids.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Well, you mean people who liked Friends or the Friends?

[Dax Shepard]

The Friends. I mean, they're hot and popular. The whole America loves them. And they have got great style in the new hairdos. Like, they're fun.

[Lily Padman]

They're also weirdos. Like, Phoebe's a weirdo. And, like, Ross is a paleontologist. Hot one.

[Dax Shepard]

I think they represent very popular.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

It's certainly not Seinfeld, where it's like, you've got Costanza and Richardson, whatever his name was on the Kramer. Kramer.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, here's. I don't think I agree with you, but I tangentially agree with you in that what I was so attracted to with the Friends is their intimacy. How much they loved each other unconditionally. How safe that group of people was. And I wanted that so badly, potentially. Aaron and Sarah are doing a similar thing. I know. I mean, I'm coming up with this real time. Maybe because they're sisters. Right. So there is this just like, unbreakable bond. Bond. Intimacy. That nothing. I mean, they're mean to each other. You know, they're really, like. Kind of. Sometimes I'm like, oh, my God, this is wild.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. They talk to each other. Like siblings talk.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. And I don't have. I mean, I. And obviously I have a younger brother, but I don't have a sister. And I definitely. I always wish I had that. So maybe it's a little bit of that. Like, oh, I wish I had this. I mean, I have friends, but it's not the same.

[Dax Shepard]

There's a lot of things you'll have in life. You're not going to have a sister.

[Lily Padman]

That's the thing. There are a lot of things I can make happen for myself.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I don't want to limit you, but I do want to tell you, you're not going to have a sister that's your age.

[Lily Padman]

Unless.

[Dax Shepard]

What could happen?

[Lily Padman]

Separated at birth, Reunited.

[Dax Shepard]

What if Nermie called you?

[Lily Padman]

He's like, I heard you. And I guess Monica. Hey, that was pretty good.

[Chace Crawford]

Thank you.

[Lily Padman]

Whoa. That was pretty good. I don't want to hear anymore.

[Dax Shepard]

I know. I knew you didn't want to.

[Lily Padman]

Weird. Going home to see her for Mother's Day weekend.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, nice.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, one last thing. Last Friday, Lincoln had the day off school, so we went to the Go kart track. And we were on our way home, home from the Go kart track. And we were on Los Feliz Boulevard. And I said, oh, look, here I go. Oh, look, here's Monica's. We're coming up on Monica. I spotted your car from, like, a hundred yards back. So we were definitely coming up to get next to you. And it was what, timing. The universe smiled on us because right as we were catching you, an ambulance was coming through the intersection. So you were trying to get over in the right lane, but I had just slid into the right lane. And the look you gave me real time. And Link and I were both staring at you, and you, like, turned, and you. You're like, what the hell? Look with your eyes. And we were laughing.

[Lily Padman]

I know. Then it was you guys and I. Then I laughed, but I was still, like, go, like, there. The ambulance is trying to come.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And it was fine. The ambulance went in the other lane.

[Lily Padman]

Really stressed me out.

[Dax Shepard]

It wasn't in our lane. It was in the.

[Lily Padman]

Uncomfortable. I know.

[Dax Shepard]

But still, you were doing what you're supposed to do. But I was there.

[Lily Padman]

I. And I was like, who is this fudgeing asshole. And it was not getting over and getting. Also preventing me from getting over. And it was you.

[Dax Shepard]

How much do you think, seeing her little face, smiling, buffeted, of course. Okay. Yeah. If it was just me and I was waving, would.

[Lily Padman]

You know, I also knew. I mean, once it was you, I was like, oh, they're fucking with me. So it was. I would have still been. I still would have laughed.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Chace Crawford]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

But I also was like, man. But like, what if they don't get to. What if someone dies? You know, because the ambulance didn't get there. Because Dax wanted to say hi to me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. That didn't happen. Nothing happened with the ambulance. For the record, I love how rare your car is because I always know if it's you.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Do you know my license plate?

[Dax Shepard]

No, I don't need to.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Because no one has. I've never seen your car in that color.

[Lily Padman]

Really? No, I've seen it a couple of years. Couple times. And I always like. I like. I like that. All right, well, I mean, facts. Well, let's do some facts. Okay. Yes. This is for Chase.

[Dax Shepard]

Chase Crawford.

[Lily Padman]

Chase Crawford.

[Dax Shepard]

What a likable guy.

[Lily Padman]

Very likable.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, so likable. You can tell. No wonder he's gotten along with everybody.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Got a lot. He had a lot of endorsements, like, from people.

[Dax Shepard]

Tell the audience about.

[Lily Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Wow. I thought that would be something you would share for sure.

[Lily Padman]

Fine.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

There's a scene in Gossip Girl. I forget what season. And it's not like that sexual of a scene, but he's in a car. Well, they're making out. And like, they're obviously, like. They're either post quittal pre or just. They're just. They're just messing around in a car. Him and this older woman. Oh, maybe that's.

[Chace Crawford]

Oh, wow.

[Lily Padman]

I predicted that I'd be a cougar one day. Anyway, when I. When I used to watch the show, I loved that scene. And I would watch it multiple times because I thought it was so hot that he was so hot. He had, like, his hands on her, and I thought it was really hot.

[Dax Shepard]

You liked how. What his hands were?

[Lily Padman]

I love hands.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What are you gonna do?

[Lily Padman]

What can you do?

[Dax Shepard]

What can you do?

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Anyway, speaking of, when was Zeger's your first friend? Ziegers. Kevin Ziegers on Gossip Girl. He was on from 2009 to 2011. He was in 10 episodes across seasons three and four. Damien Dalgard sounds very rich. Yeah, he was playing a rich, rich

[Dax Shepard]

bad boy, drug Dealer Zeekers is now a full blown cowboy.

[Lily Padman]

Do you know this from his show? Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I think that's where it started. But now he's a genuinely. He was just gone from like four days. Not for the show, not for money, to help another rancher.

[Lily Padman]

Oh.

[Dax Shepard]

He was castrating bulls and roping and doing the whole.

[Lily Padman]

He loves the whole thing.

[Dax Shepard]

He's doing like the. That's gnarly. Like, wow.

[Lily Padman]

Good for him.

[Dax Shepard]

Castrating. No, thank you.

[Lily Padman]

Not good for. I don't. That sounds yucky.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, pulling balls out.

[Lily Padman]

Why does he want to do that? You think he's like, I need to be more rugged?

[Dax Shepard]

No, I think he got a. A bug for it. Like, I think he enjoys it. He was. He got invited, I think, from Taylor to go do this like showing cutting horses. You know, cutting horses, they sep. They can separate out one cow from the herd. So they're really agile and they kind of get into this back and forth. They. They pick a cow, they try to separate it from the herd and the cow's trying to get away from that. So the horse is constantly going left, right. Trying to outflank them like he's covering them in basketball. So to stay on that horse is pretty wild. Like it's got to be a good rider to be riding a horse cutter. And so there was showing horse cutting horses, I presume to sell at some auction or something. And Zers was demonstrating the horse cutting. Wow. On this horse. And I watched the video, I was like, by God, he's really doing it.

[Lily Padman]

Horses are having a moment. Oh yeah. You rode horses.

[Dax Shepard]

And I caution people to use. Be careful on them.

[Lily Padman]

And Zers, I guess, is a cowboy. And that untold on horses.

[Chace Crawford]

Uhhuh.

[Dax Shepard]

And. And Clooney's Beer is all about horses. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

And Sarah Foster has a horse.

[Dax Shepard]

She does. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

I know that its name is Rolex. How much did Pepperdine buy that property for? Pepperdine University's main 138 acre Malibu campus land was donated in.

[Dax Shepard]

Take one second. 138 acres on the PCH.

[Lily Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, go ahead.

[Lily Padman]

Donated in 1968 by the act Adamson Ringe family.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the best way to get property.

[Lily Padman]

Exactly. Okay.

[Chace Crawford]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

138 acres right there. That's worth four or five hundred million dollars if it's just flat. I mean, there's nothing even on it.

[Chace Crawford]

Wow.

[Lily Padman]

How many deaths per square mile on the pch? It says while traffic safety data for the PCH is generally measured in fatalities and per mile or total crashes, rather than per square mile. The 21 mile stretch of PCH through Malibu has experienced a high concentration of fatalities, with roughly 61 deaths reported over the 15 years leading up to late 2024.

[Dax Shepard]

And no one cares. But I said it briefly in the episode. The problem is, is people are parallel parking on either side of this six lane, right? There's a. There's a middle turning lane. There's two lanes. People are going 60 miles an hour and people are making U turns across all four, five or six lanes to find the beach parking spot. Yeah, it's a bad motorcycle in particular. It's like probably the worst stretch for motorcyclists.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, God. The movie. That chase shot in Turks and Caicos. I'm not sure, but it was probably. It was probably riptide.

[Dax Shepard]

That would make sense.

[Lily Padman]

And then there's also Long Lost Sun.

[Dax Shepard]

We went to Turks and Caicos.

[Lily Padman]

We did loaded. The Haunting of Molly Hartley. I'm just reading a lot now. Like a lot of his credits, but I kind of think it was riptide.

[Dax Shepard]

It makes a lot of sense. What wouldn't make sense is a movie called the Mountain Escape.

[Lily Padman]

That would be. But you never know.

[Dax Shepard]

You don't know. But that would make no sense.

[Lily Padman]

You never know. Okay, now, not to do this. I know I don't love doing this, but I do feel like I have to.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Actually, correct me.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah, I'm not going to.

[Dax Shepard]

Go ahead.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, so it's Abercrombie and Fitch.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that's fine.

[Lily Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I actually him happier. I don't know the real well.

[Lily Padman]

No, now you know it. Right. You can say it. Right.

[Dax Shepard]

What is right? Not Finch.

[Lily Padman]

Well, now I'm worried I'm wrong. Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Finch is a bird.

[Lily Padman]

You're right. Yeah, Fitch.

[Dax Shepard]

But what the is Abercrombie?

[Lily Padman]

Abercrombie and Fitch.

[Chace Crawford]

Yes. Great.

[Dax Shepard]

But what is an ab.

[Lily Padman]

People's names.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't even say. I'm saying it right now. But normally you shouldn't. No, I don't say Abercrombie. I say Abercrombie.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, you do?

[Chace Crawford]

You do?

[Dax Shepard]

I do. I say Amber Crombie and Fitch.

[Lily Padman]

No. And Finch.

[Dax Shepard]

Abercrombie and Finch. It's Scottish surname. Okay, well, no disrespect to that family, but just what a comical.

[Lily Padman]

I think it's cool. Abercrombie.

[Dax Shepard]

I just am impressed. Someone was like, yeah, we'll call it Amber Crombie in French.

[Lily Padman]

Well, no one's calling it that because that's not what.

[Dax Shepard]

And then everyone's like, what? And then yeah, it'll work. And it did.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. I was obsessed with it. That's why I knew I was right, but then I second guessed.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll tell you when it backfired. Zathura. Like, it's dangerous to name something, something

[Lily Padman]

people can't pronounce, but most people can pronounce Abercrombie.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm sorry, I don't know. I've not seen the data. Or the data either. Yeah, I know. Zathura was a real struggle. And part of the whole ad campaign was they had bought, like, a whole episode of the Apprentice where the task was to get people to know how to pronounce the fucking name of this movie. And I was like, this is not great.

[Lily Padman]

That's bad.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's not great.

[Lily Padman]

Well, also, because Zathura is like, well, could it be Z Fiora?

[Dax Shepard]

Like, people are saying Zatha.

[Lily Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

And then once they found out they were saying it wrong, they're like, it. I can step up to the ticket window. There's six movies. I know I can say the name of this one. I'll say that.

[Chace Crawford]

I know.

[Lily Padman]

But part of me is like, get over yourself. Just like. Just say, I want that Z movie. Like, why would you let it stop? You people have such big egos. Okay. Married guys, you said, live 11 years longer.

[Dax Shepard]

I said that. I don't know what. I was being facetious. I think they live longer.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. Studies show, on average, roughly two to eight years longer than unmarried.

[Dax Shepard]

Then you had daughters into that mix. You could hit 11, huh? Daughters. Every different for. Only for men, not for women. Every daughter that a man has on average.

[Lily Padman]

But I don't know what the crossover.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know, like, if that data is affecting. Affected by people who have daughters. Yeah.

[Lily Padman]

Okay, now he accidentally. Now I'm gonna do it to him. Abercrombie and Fitch. He accidentally said Season 2 twice in a sentence. And I think he meant season three when he was talking about the octopus.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Lily Padman]

I mean, the epic octopus scene is in season three, so. Yeah. Oh, who did they end up hiring for Footloose? So I think Kenny Wormald.

[Dax Shepard]

That sounds right.

[Lily Padman]

He played.

[Chace Crawford]

Played.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. This is him.

[Dax Shepard]

Kenny Cromie and Fitch. Yeah, he's a real professional dancer.

[Lily Padman]

Kenny Wormald or Warmald. And the director's Craig Brewer. He might have said Craig Brewer, but I think he said Craig Bryce.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay. A lot of thinks in this fact check.

[Lily Padman]

Oh, one thing I want to make clear. I. Look, my mouth looks kind of weird in this episode. Oh, that's Because I have a lozenge in my mouth. Because that was during my cough attack period.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. The season of coughing. Your coughing era.

[Lily Padman]

So that was lozenge based.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Lily Padman]

I don't want people to think I had, like, weird Botox.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. One of our episodes just aired where my sty was very, very evident, and I was like, oh, yeah, that was quite evident.

[Lily Padman]

Yeah. You could see it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, for sure. But, you know, I mean, I don't. I'll live. I just don't like the. The connection with pink eye.

[Lily Padman]

I know you're.

[Dax Shepard]

Because pink eye makes you think of poop in your eye. And I don't have any poop in my eye.

[Lily Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

And I didn't then, and I don't now. Yeah. I had a sty from stress.

[Lily Padman]

I know. But also, like, I don't think I would have thought it was pink eye.

[Dax Shepard]

There was a moment where my eyeball was, like, beat red.

[Lily Padman]

I know. And that.

[Dax Shepard]

That it screamed pink. Ey. I even think someone said. I think my sister said, hey, oh, you got pink eye. Oh, like, no. I wipe my butt with toilet paper, not my hand.

[Lily Padman]

TT yeah, but sometimes you still could get poop particles.

[Dax Shepard]

I couldn't. But, yeah, other people.

[Lily Padman]

You're the one that sticks your finger up your butt when shower. Okay, so, yeah, you've said that aloud. Okay, that's it.

[Dax Shepard]

Love you.

[Lily Padman]

Love you.