The Whiplash/The Griping

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: The Whiplash/The Griping
Date: June 3, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty tackle the latest in U.S. foreign policy uncertainty, dissect a dramatic shakeup at the iconic “60 Minutes” news program, riff on ultra-processed foods and health, and dive deep into the dangers of AI's rapid development. Laced with their signature wit, skepticism, and biting commentary, the hosts move fluidly between the headlines and their own frank perspectives on American society, all while highlighting the amusing and absurd in the news cycle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. U.S.—Iran Tensions, Trump & Netanyahu, and Diplomatic Whiplash

Timestamps: 03:02–08:15

• The show opens with breaking news: U.S. and Iran have engaged in new military strikes, with both sides launching attacks and other Middle Eastern countries caught in the crossfire.
• Referencing a recent interview, Trump candidly admits to changing stances on Iran and Israel, calling it a tactic:

  “That’s good. If they’re confused and the Iranians are confused.” — Donald Trump [06:34]

• Armstrong and Getty remark that most Americans aren't paying sustained attention to the conflict, suggesting that for the public, it registers mostly as "background noise" of ongoing overseas drama and domestic gas prices.
• They express skepticism around the government touting the destruction of the Iranian navy, questioning its significance as a strategic victory.
  • “Who ever talked about the Iranian navy or was worried about the Iranian navy?” — Jack Armstrong [07:27]

2. Study on Ultra-Processed Foods and Dementia

Timestamps: 08:15–12:09

• Drawing from fresh research, the hosts explore connections between high consumption of ultra-processed foods (UPFs) and increased dementia risk.
  • Armstrong jokes: “If I’m sitting and smoking while eating a bag of Doritos…” [08:53]
  • Getty responds: “Oh, you’re as good as death…just throw yourself off a cliff and save the rest of us the trouble.” [08:57]
• They discuss the challenge of isolating variables in lifestyle studies, sharing skepticism about absolute conclusions.
• Point out irony and resignation many feel about such research: Armstrong pledges,

  “I’m not going to eat any…I’m not going to eat one stick less of bacon the rest of my life because of this.” [11:20]

3. Scott Pelley Fired from “60 Minutes” & Media Bubble

Timestamps: 13:16–23:33

• The unceremonious firing of Scott Pelley from “60 Minutes” is mocked and dissected in detail, with Armstrong reveling in the fall of what he considers an insufferably pompous anchor.
  • “It’s disappointing to find out that Scott Pelley…has been fired. Oh, I’m sorry, I’m wrong. It wasn’t disappointing. I was very happy about it because I found him insufferable.” — Jack Armstrong [16:51]
• The hosts reconstruct the meeting that led to Pelley’s firing, highlighting the generational and ideological clash at CBS as new management seeks to pivot the show.
• Getty shares excerpts from the termination letter and notes the tension over centrist perspectives being labeled as “injecting politics.”
  • “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” — Joe Getty quoting Thomas Sowell [45:24]

4. The AI Arms Race and Threats to Humanity

Timestamps: 29:12–40:54

• Armstrong and Getty delve into the latest executive order on AI, expressing deep doubts about the federal government’s ability to meaningfully regulate a technology so few understand.
  • “There’s like eight people in the world that understand how this stuff works, and they ain’t in the federal government.” — Jack Armstrong [30:36]
• They cite historian Niall Ferguson’s warning that AI represents “the most dangerous arms race in history,” noting the incompetence and egomania of both tech leaders and politicians.
• Discuss worst-case scenarios: AI learning, seizing control, and leaving humanity powerless to intervene, echoing science fiction anxieties.
  • “I hope this doesn’t happen…in the next couple years the world wakes up one day and realizes AI is doing its own thing now…and we’re just going to have to sit back and watch because we have no ability to stop it.” — Jack Armstrong [35:45]
• Speculate on possible “techno-retro” refuges—offline communities opting out of AI entirely—and raise the challenge of international cooperation or verification:
  • “Some super smart guy living in Alabama could use AI just as much as the Chinese could.” — Jack Armstrong [39:02]

5. American Sports Hysteria

Timestamps: 26:12–29:10

• Armstrong and Getty riff about New York Knicks reaching the NBA Finals and the “celebrity economy” of front-row seats, noting ticket prices could hit $1 million.
• Armstrong: “Million dollars for a seat. We’ll see.” [28:18]
• Segue into the ongoing irrelevance of some American sports teams (e.g., Carolina Hurricanes in hockey) as a sign of shifting culture and aging.

6. Social Media Doomscrolling Epidemic

Timestamps: 43:06–44:53

• Highlighting new statistics, Armstrong notes Gen Z and millennials spend an average of four and a half to five hours daily in “mindless scrolling.”
  • “An entire month of your waking and sleeping time just looking at your phone…because you’re so bored with your own thoughts.” — Jack Armstrong [44:23]
• Commentary on addiction, dopamine hits, and modern attention spans, casting a darkly comic light on the changes in American habits.

7. Broader Media and Political Landscape

Timestamps: 45:24–46:24

• Using the Scott Pelley incident and a Voting Rights Act dispute in Alabama, Armstrong and Getty illustrate the phenomenon of media bubbles and shifting standards, referencing Thomas Sowell.
  • “Correcting it [bias] seems like an outrage because you’re used to that.” — Joe Getty [45:45]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That’s good. If they’re confused and the Iranians are confused.”
  — Donald Trump [06:34]
• “Who ever talked about the Iranian navy or was worried about the Iranian navy?”
  — Jack Armstrong [07:27]
• “I’m not going to eat any…I’m not going to eat one stick less of bacon the rest of my life because of this.”
  — Jack Armstrong [11:20]
• “It’s disappointing to find out that Scott Pelley…has been fired. Oh, I’m sorry, I’m wrong. It wasn’t disappointing. I was very happy about it because I found him insufferable.”
  — Jack Armstrong [16:51]
• “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”
  — Joe Getty quoting Thomas Sowell [45:24]
• “There’s like eight people in the world that understand how this stuff works, and they ain’t in the federal government.”
  — Jack Armstrong [30:36]
• “I hope this doesn’t happen…AI is doing its own thing now…and we’re just going to have to sit back and watch because we have no ability to stop it.”
  — Jack Armstrong [35:45]
• “An entire month of your waking and sleeping time just looking at your phone…because you’re so bored with your own thoughts.”
  — Jack Armstrong [44:23]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• U.S.–Iran, Trump Interview & Diplomacy: 03:02–08:15
• Ultra-Processed Foods & Dementia Study: 08:15–12:09
• Scott Pelley Firing, 60 Minutes: 13:16–23:33
• NBA Finals & Sports Celebrity Economy: 26:12–29:10
• AI Arms Race & Existential Risks: 29:12–40:54
• Doomscrolling & Gen Z Media Habits: 43:06–44:53
• Media Bubble & Political Framing: 45:24–46:24

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Tone & Style

Armstrong & Getty’s hallmark is their irreverent, skeptical tone—often blending humor, sarcasm, and a touch of doom with genuine concern for societal trends. This episode is rich in both wit and insight, punctuated by their willingness to “say the quiet part out loud” about media icons, political theater, and the relentless churn of modern life.

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Summary

This episode provides a whirlwind tour of headlines, from global conflict and media upheaval to the transformation of health and technology. Whether poking holes in political spin, skewering overpaid news anchors, or pondering humanity’s fate in the face of AI, Armstrong & Getty offer a lively, critical lens on today’s chaos—with plenty of memorable banter for listeners seeking both laughs and reflection.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[News Reporter]

All of this comes as it is really unclear where diplomatic efforts to end this war now stand. Secretary of State Marco Rubio told lawmakers yesterday that a deal, quote, could happen today, it could happen tomorrow, it could happen next week. But he cautioned there's no guarantee that it would be acceptable to the Senate or the American people. And the President was asked in an interview about the weeks of whiplash and why he seems to be changing his stance on Iran so often. Trump saying, quote, it's just the way I am.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a funny thing to say.

[Joe Getty]

Donald J. Was on the Miranda Devine podcast. We're going to play a couple of clips of that coming up in a couple of minutes, including, or a minute or so, including being asked about his alleged obscenity laced call with Bibi Netanyahu when she said, you're crazy, you'd be in jail if it wasn't for me, blah, blah, blah. Is there a rift between the two sides?

[Jack Armstrong]

And again, pointing out that each president, like four or five presidents have had that relationship with Bibi Netanyahu and had that sort of conversation with him. So it's not unique.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, at times, sure. The US And Iran exchanged heavy fire overnight after the US Struck an empty oil tanker that it said was attempting to breach the blockade. That set off a string of attacks by both sides, with Iran firing ballistic missiles at U.S. bases and later launching drones that struck Kuwait's airport, leaving one person dead and temporal, temporarily suspending air traffic. But despite the heavy fire, U.S. central Command said Tuesday night that the tenuous cease fire was still ongoing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, the fact that these other countries have held back is really something. Iraq has been hit, so 7, 8, 9 different countries have been hit by Iranian rockets and missiles and have mostly held back.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, mostly. Although we are finding out the UAE has been much more active than was previously understood. So that's what happened most recently. Let's, let's get to Miranda Devine and Trump and see what they had to say.

[Interviewer]

Now, Axios reported that you had a phone call with Bibi Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were angry with him. You said, are you effing crazy? What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him in those terms?

[Donald Trump]

I did. I wouldn't say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we gotta stop this, we gotta stop it. But I have a very good relationship. We've done well, done well together. He always says we could never have done it, but everybody knows that we could have never done it without the United States. But we've, we've. I've worked very well together. I like Bibi a lot.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm a little troubled by that hole. You're constantly fighting with Lebanon. He's fighting with Hezbollah, which is an armed political party that Lebanon would pay whatever it took to get rid of if they possibly could. It's a long and complex story, but, yeah, that was a little troubling. I don't know if he truly misunderstood it or if he was just kind of shorthanding it. Next clip.

[Interviewer]

And are your tactics where you say something and then change it and then do a peace deal and then break the ceasefire or whatever, is that all about trying to keep the Iranians off balance? Are you sort of messaging to them? No, because people at home, sometimes you. I think they get anxious and confused.

[Donald Trump]

That's good. That's good. If they're confused and the Iranians are confused.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think the people at home are paying attention is what I think. Now I'm looking up at TV NBC News leading the hour with it. But I don't think the average person is thinking much more than, oh, it's still going on. Gas is still expensive. The end.

[Joe Getty]

Unfortunately, scanning my memory banks to think about when anybody's brought it up to me in real life recently, I can't come up with anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and it still ends up being evening newscasts, often like the fourth story after weather and a video of a guy getting knocked down by a deer. And, you know, whatever else they have,

[Joe Getty]

I do enjoy a good deer knocking down. And so let's move on to other fair, since perhaps this is not fair that people care about anyway, I did

[Jack Armstrong]

want to mention this. I watched a little of Marco Rubio testifying before Congress yesterday, and they lean a lot on that whole we've destroyed the Iranian navy. You're overlooking that their navy is at the bottom of the sea. Iran no longer has a navy. And I didn't even think of it until some other pundit I like pointed it out. Who ever talked about the Iranian navy or was worried about the Iranian navy. How big a role in world politics was the Iranian navy? So it's a little bit of a head fake to me to keep bragging about we've sunk their navy.

[Joe Getty]

All right? They've got those, those fast boats, those harassing boats. But yeah, the issue you didn't launch

[Jack Armstrong]

this saying we've got to do something about the Iranian navy and nobody's willing to do it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, right, Right. So what you're about to hear is restraint. There's a lot of talk that Marco clearly now has the edge for 2028. I hope so that Trump and company have had to reign JD Vance in easy with the social media. Stop doing that. They're getting a little annoyed with him. That's all I'm going to say. I'm going to move on. I find this so interesting. Ultra processed food is the new sitting, which was the new smoking apparently. Or sitting around and eating ultra processed food is certainly the new. Like smoking two cigarettes at once. Of health. There is a new study.

[Jack Armstrong]

So if I'm sitting and smoking.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

While eating a bag of Doritos.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, you're as good as death.

[Jack Armstrong]

Practically committing suicide.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Just throw yourself off a cliff and save the rest of us the trouble. So I approach these studies with caution because in some questions of health, it's difficult to tease out one variable. As if you paid attention in high school science class. You know, that's the scientific method. You can't introduce three variables and then guess at which one did what. And if you are a coke snorting, you know, motorcycle racer who eats ultra processed foods and those people tend to die sooner, you can't tell me. Yep, it's the ultra processed foods, if you know what I mean. So I will just get to the study. Eating a diet high in ultra processed foods is associated with a serious increased risk of dementia, according to new research, adding to the growing list of health problems linked to such packaged foods as packaged cookies, hot dogs and chips. And they also mentioned bacon. I love hot dogs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bacon. Yes, bacon. Oh man, I can say bacon as

[Joe Getty]

many times as you like. It's on the list, buddy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't put bacon in the same category normally in my mind as like a bag of Doritos. Ultra processed food.

[Joe Getty]

The study involved more than 5,300 US adults age 50 and older followed them for almost nine years on average. The researchers from the Hava D TV Chan School of Public Health and other institutions aimed to home in on the impact of ultra processed foods by accounting for a range of other factors that affect health, including education, income, smoking, physical activity and alcohol use, etc. Etc. Blah, blah blah. These results add to a body of scientific evidence linking diets high in ultra processed foods to health problems including obesity, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and more.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about the bacon like they, that they have at the, the butcher counter, you know, it's not in the plastic packaging. Is that different or is that the same thing?

[Joe Getty]

You know, they don't really drill down into bacon. I, I know it's like smoked and cured and salted and whatever else. I, I, I've got to admit I think of that very differently as you're saying, than say a bag of chips, Oreos, horrendous pizza puff thing. Yeah, yeah, that you heat. But it's a good matter.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not going to eat any, I'm not going to eat one stick less of bacon the rest of my life because of this. So why even discuss it?

[Joe Getty]

But you'll forget you made that vow so you might stop eating bacon. So who knows? Who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

Because of my dementia. From eating processed food?

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yeah. It's kind of self correcting in a bizarre and tragic way. So, okay. They think one likely explanation for the link between ultra processed foods and dementia is that diets high in them are associated with obesity, type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. And those illnesses raise the risk of dementia. So it's one step away. Oh yeah, you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You know, you could argue that. I mean, because look, don't we all have our principles in general? But we have cheats.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

And, and your cheat is bacon. Fine, you're not gonna guzzle down pizza puffs, but by God, when you have an egg you can have a little bacon. I can respect that, Michael. I was deep in thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Wolf, we've got a number of things we need to get to today, including a couple of stories around AI. They're dang dang interesting in the last 24 hours, but Scott Pelly getting fired from 60 Minutes, it just pompous ass hat. So anything bad happening in his life makes me somewhat happier because that sort of person.

[Joe Getty]

So wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, I'll say it out loud.

[Joe Getty]

Tom Petty right here. I'm working with Blaze. This is terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's that? What's that reference?

[Joe Getty]

He's Petty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Petty, Yes.

[Joe Getty]

You're so petty.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're Tom Petty, okay?

[Joe Getty]

You're the pettiest Petty. That's Petty since Tom Petty.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's essential.

[Joe Getty]

Terrible. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm fired. Yes, you're fired. Scott, get out. I'm begging you, go. Nobody likes you. You want me to go? More on that and other stuff on the way.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

It's disappointing to find out that Scott Pelley of 60 Minutes has been fired. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm wrong. It wasn't disappointing. I was very happy about it because I found him insufferable. It's funny that the last interview that aired with Scott Pelly on 60 Minutes was the one he did with Ben Sasse, remember? And I liked that topic and a lot of stuff Ben Sasse said, but it came in the next morning on Monday and said that was the most pompous Scott Pelly there's ever been. I mean, that one was. That was him taking it to like an SNL skit level of leaned back in his chair. And that look on his face of smugness and wisdom and the glasses in his teeth. I mean, he is just such an act in his slow voice. But that matters to you, doesn't it, Mr. Sassy? And just oh God. Nobody's ever been more pleased with themselves than Scott Belly. And apparently he thought he could big time. The new boss at 60 Minutes when they had that big meeting the other day and lecture him when he walked in the room and the boss said, all right, you're not gonna embarrass me in front of these people. It ain't gonna work. Enjoy the bagels. Got up and left and then fired him 24 hours later.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. As the new executive producer was introducing himself and launching into Look, I have so much respect for the show and all of you, this is going to be collabor. Your voices. Scott Pelly said, I must interrupt. You're a punk who's never done anything, and your boss has no qualifications either, and she's trying to murder the show. And I hate all of you. Well, in spite of that, Bilton, Nick Bilton reached out to Pelly and said, look, we got to get together and talk. And Pelly essentially said to him, I have nothing to say to you. And so they escand him. They. They poop. Canned him immediately.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what was the line he had in the meeting to the guy? I'm curious as to why you would come somewhere nobody wants you. Yes, F you, I would think, is the new boss. Pelly was making $5 million a year just for the 60 Minutes program. Back when he used to be the anchor, he was 10 to 15 million dollars a year, it was rumored. So he's made up a lot of money in his life. So it could be just a. In his defense, I guess. And I find him an annoying. An annoying human being, even though I'm a big 60 Minutes fan. Uh, it could have been a. Just, you know, I don't. I'm not changing the way I do things. And if you think I am, you're wrong. And I got plenty of money, and I. And he probably thinks other networks are just looking to grab him as quick as they can because he thinks the Scott Pilly brand is ratings gold. I think he's about to find out different on that.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. In his subsequent note to Pelly, built and called Pelly's behavior at Monday's meeting a performative display of hostility, which I think is a good line. And one of the. I think it was Sharon Alfonso, you also got canned, said something absolutely hilarious, although it really does demonstrate. And, you know, I try to take, you know, not an attack, attack, attack posture all the time, because I've come to realize that bubbled people don't know that they're bubbled. And they have a completely different reality. And you can't attack them out of it. You've got to help them understand how bubbled they are. But Sharon Alfonsi said something about how Bari Weiss is now interjecting political point of view into their reporting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought, good Lord, wow. You are in the middle of the forest and can't see the trees or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is. It has been, in my lifetime, diminishing because all the media, entire media landscape has been changing rapidly, as we all know. But it has been, in my lifetime, probably the most important news outlet in the world. I mean, it has broken so many stories or been the conversation piece of so many big stories the next Monday morning for all of our politics. Like my whole adult life. And, you know, they went out of their way to try to ruin it, unfortunately, I still thought it was really good. Often Mark Halpern writing and Mark Halpern has really been in the news business because his dad was big in government and he's been in the news business his whole life, he wrote. It's impossible to overstate the arrogance of those who have worked for 60 Minutes over the years, even as the program's bias and reduced quality have been on vivid display. He also said there are a lot more beats to play out on this story, including how the rest of the program staff decides to play things. Yeah, everybody, I suppose, could revolt.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Sure. Final note on this Nick Bilton's dismissal letter to Scott Pelley was remarkably gentlemanly and emphasized again, that he says, I've devoted my career to While I'm new to 60 Minutes, I've devoted my career to investigative journalism and storytelling. I started this job excited to collaborate and benefit from the wisdom and experience of the 60 Minutes veterans, with you among them. For that reason, one of the first things I did in my new role was to call you and invite you to dinner. He got the middle finger every single time they hold the meeting. Yesterday you hijacked my first meeting with staff to disparage me, my qualifications and my intentions with remarkable incivility and contempt. I welcome a diversity viewpoints and respectful debate among the team. But this was nothing of the sort. Yesterday's performative display of hostility enacted in front of the staff instead of in a civil private conversation demonstrating that you have no interest in contributing to the future success of the show, et cetera, et cetera. And then he says, I therefore write on behalf of CBS News, Inc. To inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause, effective immediately, enclosed as your formal termination letter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why wouldn't Scott Pelley, as the biggest deal at the biggest news program left in television news, why wouldn't he let it play out, like, get to a point of tension on some story where he thinks, no, I think this should be left in. And Barry Weiss or whoever's, you know, under her, says, I think it should be taken out and then maybe make a stand over that, that you could support, perhaps publicly say, they didn't want me to tell you this. Why wouldn't you do that as opposed to do the whole big time him at the meeting thing?

[Joe Getty]

Well, he says you're a dick. The changes are entirely to curry favor with the Trump administration and they're throwing 60 minutes away. New management has instructed me to inject falsehoods and bias into a politically sensitive story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Give us some example of that.

[Joe Getty]

Scott Pelley well, he considers any perspective to the right of Bernie Sanders to be injecting politics, he bubbled.

[Jack Armstrong]

I still think it'd be to his benefit to give specifics Armstrong and getty

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New York Knicks are going to the

[Jack Armstrong]

NBA Finals for the first time in 27 years. And I think I can speak for the whole city when I say it's

[Lingokids Announcer]

so gratifying to finally see something go

[Jack Armstrong]

well for Timothy Chalamet. Yeah, speaking of which, they say this is going to be the most expensive ticket it in New York history. Now of course there's always adjusting for inflation, but it might be just true flat out. If there's a game six, which would be at home in New York, they expect those seats, the Tim Chalamet seats, to be a seven figures.

[Joe Getty]

Wait a minute. One, two, three.

[Jack Armstrong]

A million. No, million dollars. At least for a seat. Even if you're, even if you're Tim Chalamet, Jon Stewart, Chris Rock, Richard. Do you drop a million dollars for a Game 6 Knicks seat?

[Joe Getty]

I don't care if I'm Elon Musk rich.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and I, I would, I, I've said this many times over the years. I would love to know how that whole thing works. I don't know if they, if that's the way that works anyway, or if the Knicks organization or the, or the network or there's all kinds of people that benefit from those celebrities being there rather than anonymous businessmen who might be as rich as Timothy Chalamet, but you've never heard of them. You don't want those guys in the front row.

[Joe Getty]

No, no. Some guy in shipping, you know, that

[Jack Armstrong]

doesn't make you more money or, or make it more exciting. Anyway, I was watching some New York media this morning, but you know, media I was watching this morning because it's all, practically all New York and them talking about how it's the most sports excitement in that city in many decades, partially because he got Yankees, Mets, you got Giants, Jets. There's only one really NBA basketball team that anybody pays attention to and that the city's just on fire for this whole thing. So it's going to be highly annoying. And I just can't wait for Wemby to go in there and drag them around the court in Madison Square Garden. That's what I'm hoping happens.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Very vengeful. Again, Petty again. Michael, you notice that a theme is emerging. Other people's pain is Jack's joy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Schadenfreude New York media's pain. Yes, absolutely, my joy. Million dollars for a seat. We'll see.

[Joe Getty]

I'm an NHL guy. I've been watching the Stanley Cliff cup playoffs, including the finals in which my beloved Carolina Hurricanes. I've been like the biggest fan in the world for maybe a year. Lost to the Las Vegas Golden Knights. Vegas what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Hockey.

[Joe Getty]

Golden Knights. Their logos and embarrassment. It's terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know either one of those teams existed.

[Joe Getty]

I've heard of the informed that the, the Hurricane. Go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've heard of the Canadian teams. I haven't heard of all these American teams.

[Joe Getty]

Have you heard of the Chicago Blackhawks? I have heard of the league for some time, yes. Speaking of which, I heard on the telecast last night that the Carolina Hurricanes, the last one, the Stanley cup in 2006. And I'm like, wait a minute. There's been a Carolina hockey team for 20 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

I couldn't have told you that. And they won the Stanley Cup. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

It's insane. Getting old. Anyway, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So late in the show we had the breaking news that Donald Trump signed an executive order around AI, an A, O, around A, an E, O, around A, O, AI. I can't do it. Why do you even try? I don't know why I tried. It's a test of my brain and I fail every single time. Anyway, executive order about artificial intelligence.

[Joe Getty]

You gotta take that test where you got banana, elephant, train, school bus, train. Right. I passed it. Highest score they'd ever seen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Except I'm not sure I would pass it. And it's. It's a much watered down version of something they had proposed like six, eight weeks ago. But it's still the federal government saying, yeah, you do some big advancement in your whole AI thing you got to run a bias for. And we take a look at it and see if we think it's okay. Which is one, very, very vague. And two, who's going to decide who in the federal government is going to look at what Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Amodi or any of those people came up with and say, I like it, good job or no, I don't like it.

[Joe Getty]

I tweak this over here and then it will be all right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. I mean, it's almost hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

And it's, it's statutorily. It's just. What are you even.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is this? What are you doing?

[Joe Getty]

So you got to run new AI systems past the White House. That's not a thing, as the kids say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. And as, as I said yesterday, there's like eight people in the world that understand how this stuff works, and they ain't in the federal government and they

[Joe Getty]

only kind of understand it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And they're kind of guessing, not kind of very much guessing themselves. So who knows where that leads? I thought Neil Ferguson's piece out today, AI is the most dangerous arms race in history, is pretty interesting. The unfolding history of artificial intelligence has now arrived at what may be its most dangerous moment, writes Mr. Ferguson, the historian. We may.

[Joe Getty]

Charming SCOTTISH ACCENT we may be hurtling

[Jack Armstrong]

toward the most dangerous arms race in history. And we're doing so when the leadership of the competitors in this race is, to say the least, of mixed quality. The chief executives of the most important companies include at least one with a record of duplicity. Is he talking about Altman?

[Joe Getty]

Probably Scam Altman.

[Jack Armstrong]

And at least two egomaniacs. That would be at least two. I think there's more than that, but. So that's probably Elon and Dario Modi.

[Joe Getty]

Probably.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if you could be one of the giants of AI without being an egomaniac.

[Joe Getty]

So the Google guy pitch. I, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or, or Zuckerberg. Like I said, I'm not, I'm not sure you could be one of these people without being an egomaniac. So I don't see that as much of a slam. Meanwhile, the President of the United States is a former real estate developer and really reality TV star, roughly half of whose public utterances are mere bluffs. And the leader of the People's Republic of China is a Marxist Leninist who aspires to eclipse Mao as a dictator. That is all true. And usually I don't like the shots at Trump for being a reality TV star or whatever, but he's no expert in AI and practically nobody is, as I've already said. So it's an interesting moment.

[Joe Getty]

Uh, yeah. The most dangerous arms race in human history. As we were chatting about last hour, it's partly because it's such a squishy, ever changing thing to get your arms around people could comprehend a terrible new bomb that would cause more destruction than any Previous bomb has. You can contemplate that, but we don't even know what it's going to be, what it will control, as you pointed out, how many people it will put out of work, what sort of political unrest that will cause, what sort of economic shocks around the globe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody even knows what it is. Right. And there's no agreement among the smartest people. I watch, I watch all the YouTube videos and listen to the podcasts and read the stuff written by the smartest people about this stuff in the world and they are not in agreement at all as to when this is happening or how big a deal it is. But, but I can lay out what like worst case scenario is that AI begins to learn on its own and decides to take over the world or a country. Now, if you believe that the Communist Chinese Party can take over a country, which it has, and run a surveillance state to keep people in line, it's not a leap to think that an AI could do that, right? Why? Why? Why could the Chinese Communist Party run by, you know, a fairly small number of people, not as smart as AI, why could they take over a whole country and run it and keep people in line and keep power, but AI couldn't? There's no reason to think that, or

[Joe Getty]

certainly the one obvious inevitable is that people will use AI to accomplish the same thing. And both are horrifying outcomes. Interestingly enough, New York Times had a story the other day about how China is now using AI to predict who might be a threat to the Communist Party in the future. They can now recognize the kernels of unrevolutionary thought among young people or young professionals and think, all right, put him on the list. Which he said, he said he made a wise ass comment about whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Which may be accurate or might not be accurate at all, but it doesn't matter to them. They're still going to drag you out of your home and put you in a prison.

[Joe Getty]

No, there's no cost to dragging you out of your home and killing you or putting you in a prison because they've got complete control.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some of the experts, and again, they're all guessing. Every single one of them from Elon down is absolutely, absolutely guessing on this stuff. But some of the guessing by the experts is that China's way more afraid of this than we are. That if you're a totalitarian state, you're more feel more threatened by AI somehow taking your place than an open democracy.

[Joe Getty]

Well, my final thought on this then I'll give you the last word, is that what Bill O'Reilly used to say. Yep, I'll give you the last word

[Jack Armstrong]

right before body language segment.

[Joe Getty]

My last word is a reminder that I read you a bit of a note from alert listener Paolo yesterday who said, look, all this stuff is true, but there's no opting out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct.

[Joe Getty]

Trying to restrict the growth of human knowledge and technology through history is, it's laughable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, I hope this doesn't happen. And depending on who you ask, it's like a 20% chance of it happening or a 75% chance of it happening, which either one of those is way too high that in the next couple of years the world wakes up one day and realizes AI is doing its own thing now. And we're just going to have to sit back and watch because we have no ability to stop it or, or, or control it in any way. It is, it is hijacked its own servers. It is gotten, it's gotten, it's come up with a way to get its own electrical power as much as it needs. It's, it's just doing everything on its own and the world is just going to watch and see what it decides to do. That is a absolutely on the table as a possibility, like within a couple of years.

[Joe Getty]

This doesn't count as me violating my last word thing because that was really intriguing. That's opened up a new area of discussion. Will there be towns, counties, states, countries that say that, that finally do what I've been begging them to do? They'll unplug the Internet. Internet. They will go retro techno retro to the point that nothing's connected to the Internet, there's no AI they will become like semi whatever, you know, pre AI, however you want to describe it. So the only way to out of self defense, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

And so the only way to take that over would be to actually storm the beaches with robots on boats or bomb them or something.

[Joe Getty]

And if, and, and this is the stuff of science fiction. I wish I was ambitious and brilliant enough to write it because I'm so intrigued by the ide. But if, you know, the United States of Wherever declares that, look, we're just, we're out. We're going to go back to the old ways. We're of no threat to AI Etonia. Okay? We're just going to do our own thing over here. Let's coexist. Would AI say no? That's not compatible with our brilliant AI world plan. Can't have dissenters like that. Sorry we got to snuff Ollie. Who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think there's any chance of.

[Joe Getty]

No, not at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think there's any chance of coming up with some sort of arms agreement like we did with the Soviet Union, which a lot of people didn't think that'd be possible, where we, we both recognized. Look, we don't either one of us really want to blow up the world. So how about we come up with some agreement like, you know, Reagan and Gorbachev did, limiting the number or, you know, allowing some communication back and forth, something like that. Where we in China both said, look, you're more afraid of it than we are and we're afraid of it. So let's, how about, let's agree AI is only allowed to work on medical stuff or this or that. There's not going to be any. Just let it go out there. Artificial general intelligence. Is there any chance of coming up with guidelines like that?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, there, there absolutely is, but it's a little more complicated because of the difficulty of verifying compliance. We're talking about people tip tapping away on a keyboard somewhere that might say, all right, unleash the beast. And then it might be unleashed in ways that people don't even recognize for days, weeks, years, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Plus I limited it to the United States and China, like the United States and the Soviet Union, which you could do with nuclear weapons because some super smart guy living in rural Alabama was not going to build a nuclear arsenal. But some super smart guy living in Alabama could use AI just as much as the Chinese could. So.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is the difference. Okay, I'm back to we're doomed.

[Joe Getty]

Next segment, a follow up, believe it or not, on the Scott Pelly firing thing. I'm going to rope Thomas Soil in. And Ben Sasse. Also, Alabama redistricting, all in one delicious stew of information.

[Jack Armstrong]

I promise to stop talking about it after one more 30 second comment.

[Joe Getty]

Go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's, it's so possible that in our lifetimes we're all having the conversation of why did we let this happen around AI? I mean, it's just so upended the world that just like everybody on the planet is saying, how in the hell did human beings allow this to happen?

[Joe Getty]

And then the Joe Gettys of the conversation would say, well, there was no stopping it. Yeah, how are we going to stop it?

[Jack Armstrong]

And then we could have passed regulations.

[Joe Getty]

What about China? And then I'll go back to skinning the squirrel that I successfully speared to eat for my dinner. Because all of the world's financial institutions, all the digital ones have been emptied

[Jack Armstrong]

of their cash just waiting for an AI robot to come anesthetize you and harvest your organs.

[Joe Getty]

Trying to catch a cockroach to get a few calories.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Caller/Listener]

What the type of AI it is. Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

That's the question.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what the world will be saying. It's like when Whoville yelled up to the sky. The whole world will be saying what

[Caller/Listener]

the type of AI it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, more on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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mom can I have Lingokids? Zach Lingokids, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

When did we become the Lingokids House?

[Parent]

No idea. Last week it was dinosaurs.

[Child]

This week it was Lingokids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why Lingokids?

[Child]

Because it's the best thing ever. We can play games with astronauts, wild animals and superheroes.

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So no dinosaurs and dinosaurs.

[Caller/Listener]

Lingokids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everything kids love, download it for free.

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[Jack Armstrong]

tell me to put my phone down and stop doom scrolling. You're doom scrolling right now, aren't you?

[Donald Trump]

You.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what were you supposed to be doing anyway. Let me guess. Something productive and you were going to do it.

[Caller/Listener]

Get right to it. What is that you said?

[Jack Armstrong]

Just let me look at my phone. At 1 minute turn to 2 minutes. 2 minutes turn to 40. 40 minutes turn to 60.

[Caller/Listener]

60 minutes turn down, stop down slow. Put down your phone. Put down your phone. Now you're feeling burned out.

[Joe Getty]

You just want to chill so you

[Caller/Listener]

over stimulate our memes and real but you can't relax when you're trying to escape. It's a fishing second that you got to find a way to break with every swipe you lose a little more life Lo. Did you focus your time? You drive. Don't you work? Don't you have to study? Don't you have to go to sleep? I'll stop that. Stop. Don't you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got this latest worldwide numbers out just came out. I heard him talking about an NPR so I looked it up. Today Gen Z millennials lead the pack and staring at their phone. This is mindlessly scrolled scrolling. They're not counting the amount of time you, you like are doing something like specific mindlessly scrolling four and a half to five hours a day for Gen

[Joe Getty]

Z and millennials just mining for that dopamine hit.

[Jack Armstrong]

For just average people, if you add up the hours per day and then hours per week, you come up with 30 full days per year. 30 full 24 hour days. An entire month of your waking and sleeping time just looking at your phone, just scrolling for something interesting because you're so bored with your own thoughts, I guess or looking at the sky or

[Joe Getty]

your kids or you're so addicted to the. The next thing might be great. The next thing might be great. Dopamine hit. It's all about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's all about that.

[Joe Getty]

We're. We're all crack monkeys in a lab. So follow up on the Scott Pelley discussion, which if you missed it, God bless you, you've missed it forever. Nope. You can subscribe to our podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand. And get it Scott Pelly and Sharon Alfons griping about how they're now Injecting politics into 60 Minutes is a great example, one of several of one of my favorite Thomas Sowelisms, which he pointed out, when people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination. And they're so bubbled injecting a little centrism or a little, you know, the other side of the aisle actually has a counter argument. Maybe we ought to include that Seems like injecting politics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's a truism. That thing right there. I don't know if that's what's happening here, though. I think they, they think they're hitting it down the middle. I think they actually think that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, no, that's precisely what Thomas Sowell meant. When you get used to one side or preferential treatment, correcting it seems like an outrage because you're used to that. We had other examples, but no time.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like putting the porno books in the library and then when we try to get them out. Book banning.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Alabama's redistricting now. They used to be perverting the Voting Rights act to make sure there's a black. Two black districts. We gotta have two black districts. Then the Supreme Court said, no, we don't. That's not the law of the land. But it seems like discrimination now.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're only halfway done. If you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty

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with my mom and dad living in Orange county, when we bring my five and seven year old to visit, we are sometimes in for a two hour drive that could feel like 10.

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