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The Movement Towards a Post-Trump Era. Gary Dietrich Talks to A&G
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Joe Armstrong
Looking forward to talking to Gary Dietrich, longtime friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show. Gary's a nonpartisan CBS television and iHeartRadio political analyst. And Gary joins us now. Hello, Gary, how are you?
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Gary Dietrich
Hey, Joe, good to talk with you. Trust your soldiering on towards another NFL season, my friend.
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Joe Armstrong
I am indeed. I am Gary, product of the auspicious Harvard Kennedy School of Government. Pre grade inflation, as you point out.
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Gary Dietrich
I appreciate that notation.
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Joe Armstrong
Yeah. Now, now, Gary, granted I went to a pathetic state university where many of the professors weren't even literate, they couldn't even read and we squatted in huts on mud floors to study. But back in the day, if I got an A or a couple of them, I was fist pumping. I would dance all the way home. It was sad, was hard back in the day probably because.
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Gary Dietrich
Yeah, I understand that.
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Joe Armstrong
Certified genius.
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Gary Dietrich
But oh no, no, hardly. I understand that, you know, I got enough Midwest and I think you know Joe from Kansas and Ohio roots that I always have to tell. But listen, we snuck in the back door. I don't know how it happened, but I got in.
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Joe Armstrong
Yeah. Good man. So let's talk about the current scene. I read with interest. I was reading the Washington Post and they were talking about who's going to succeed Lindsey Graham in South Carolina. And what was interesting to me about the article was that the entire thing, who hues most closely to Trump, whose Trump credentials are the best. It was as if there were no other issues. It was like there was no character. There was just the only thing was how Trumpy is this person. And I know that's becoming a less and less comfortable dynamic in the Republican Party. What are you saying?
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Gary Dietrich
Well, I think you're exactly right, Joe. I mean, we are right now. This midterm really will be the tipping point, Joe, to, you know, how do I say this? The movement towards a post Trump era. You know, as he has already said himself, I'm not on the ballot this fall. Well, that's not really true because to your point, many Republicans in the primaries want Trump to be their buddy in this balloting in the primary. But as we move towards a, you know, absolutely critical midterm election here, that could determine a lot about the second half of the final Trump Trump post. I mean, Trump presidency. You know, Democrats are still going to make this midterm election a lot about him. And polling numbers they're pulling up, you know, validate a lot of that. And he's down to like 34% approval that matched his low of his first term. He's up at about three quarters of voters saying, I'm not happy with things economically, you know, all the data, Joe. So it sort of depends on what state you're in and whether you're in the primary or a general, be it the midterm or heading towards 28, about whether affiliating with Trump right now is a plus and a minus. And in many of these swing states, though, the conundrum for, for the GOP is it's both.
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Joe Armstrong
So I wonder whether we're going to see a lot more Armstrong and Gettysque statements of, hey, a lot of the stuff the President's done is great. I support it 100%. But there's a lot of stuff I don't like too. So I'm, you know, I'm an independent guy. I'm going to be with him when he's right. I'm going to oppose him when he's wrong. You think more like standing on their own two fetish perhaps?
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Gary Dietrich
Yeah, I think, I think there's going to be a lot more of that, especially in these very, very purple states. As you know, though, that's a tough tightrope to walk. You know, it gets a little nuanced and you have to be careful as you know, because all of a sudden you could find yourself on the wrong end of a true social post from the White House saying, you know, this person's not Trumpy enough and I withdrawing my endorsement, whatever, you know, it sort of like cuts both ways.
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Joe Armstrong
Yeah. I would just suggest to the Republican candidates out there, the way I just suggested is the only way to go. You just, at some point you do you. And let the chips fall. If you're constantly reactive and just trying to take the path of least resistance, it's just. No, no, don't be that. But, you know, nobody's gonna listen to me anyway, so we'll have to see how that evolves. Meanwhile, and this is really, I think, the political headline in America, Gary, the, the mainstream of the Democratic Party has got to be freaking out a little bit about, a little, a lot about the ascendance of the far, far left, the DSA and all that. What are you hearing from folks close to the party?
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Gary Dietrich
Well, that's 100% true. I mean, you've got, you know, loud voices, like a James Carville saying, look, I'm about ready to leave or they need to get out of our party. See, you've got that element out there. You got John Fetterman saying essentially the same thing, you know, and the challenge for the Democrats, and this is the thing about this one, and why this is so juicy is you, Joe, is that this all happened in like six to nine months, right? All of a sudden, Mom, Donnie wins. Well, maybe that was a one off, whatever. But no, all of a sudden, in the, in the bluest, most critical of swing states, Michigan, you haven't guessed it was only about 1 percentage point, but you have, you know, a DSA affiliated candidate. You have the, you know, Democratic nominee for Wisconsin governor and a formal part of the Democratic social. So, I mean, this is becoming for Democrats a massive headache where they wanted to make this solely about Trump and what they perceive to be his weaknesses on Iran, on the economy, especially right now, they are on defense. And Joe, this is going to be so interesting to watch because Gavin Newsom, for example, California governor, big time aspirant for 28. Where was he this weekend? In Michigan? How close does the, how do we say this mainstream Democrat or somebody especially that wants the White House in 28. How close do they cozy up to this new wing, you could call it, of the party, knowing that, as they say, this is where the energy is, et cetera, right now. But could it become a major albatross, both in the midterms and especially as we point towards 28?
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Joe Armstrong
The Republicans, obviously, Gary, are gonna try to make it the biggest albatross ever seen. And I think it'll work to some extent. I know you, like me, have been studying political Movements for a very long time. I came across a piece, his name always escapes me, Brooks. He writes for the Free Press, he's a professor. He talks about happiness and that sort thing. And he was positing in a column that I responded to, but he said that this socialist thing, the dsa, it's just a fad. It's just something the kids are trying on for a while and it'll go away like disco or, you know, neon colors in the 80s or whatever. And I thought and wrote back, I think he's completely wrong, partly because of the way the American educational system has been taken over by the left, in fact, the very, very far left, the critical theory crowd in a lot of ways. And I've seen, I've studied plenty mainstream political parties and movements that have gotten taken over by the very energetic, smallish, but absolutely hell bent left wing, for instance. And I could easily see the Democratic establishment thinking, oh, we can handle these people. I tell you what, we'll take them in, we'll take the energy, we'll get those votes, then we'll co opt them, we'll choke them off and we'll keep control of the party. But we've both seen that sort of thing blow up through history.
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Gary Dietrich
Yeah, Joe, I think you're exactly right. I mean, I side where you come down on this analysis and it's not just because younger voters, who by the way, let's remind ourselves, were highly activated. This isn't the first time around for this kind of a deal. Remember how close Bernie Sanders came to completely overthrowing the Democratic establishment that is related to Hillary Clinton. And most young and disaffected voters say were it not for the dnc, sort of rigging the game in that election, Bernie might have won that nomination. So this has been brewing for a while. Add to that Joe, which you also know, and that is the incredible disaffection with the established, really older part of the party. Okay. And I'm talking about Nancy Pelosi is just upset. But Chuck Schumer, all these octogenarians that younger voters even without the DSA will say it is time for, for you to step aside. So this is not going to go away. I don't think this is going to be a real challenge, not for just this cycle, certainly in 28 and maybe beyond.
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Joe Armstrong
And they're right. I mean, they've identified the disease just fine. The old guard are hacks. But their cure for the disease I think is completely wrong. Gary Dietrich on the line. Hey Gary, speaking of the dnc, I know they're going to announce soon the primary states in what order they're going to happen in. And I hear there could be big changes. What are they up to? What do you think the strategy is?
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Gary Dietrich
Yeah, this is actually a really big deal. People say, oh, this is a snoozer, you know. No, not at all. Here's the thing. Remember that what saved Joe Biden's bacon last time around when he got the nomination was this state that had never been first in line and people said, what? South Carolina? Well, it's happening again and what's gonna happen formally. So people know by the end of this week, the DNC will determine which and where they go. Now here's the list we have right now. And this is almost certainly reportedly going to be where they end up. South Carolina is going to go again, followed by Nevada a little bit later and then New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan and Virginia. Real quick, here's how this breaks down, Joe. Putting South Carolina first really enhances. Most people believe the black vote recognizes that. Remember that that is really. Joe Biden lost the first two primaries, Iowa and Hampshire did that. Hold it out. So here's the thing. People are now saying, who does this benefit? Is this basically to rig the party structure for the newly progressive energized wing or is it to, you know, shore up the old guard? You know what, there's no clear analysis on that right now. But here's what we do know. Putting South Carolina first. And Joe, I know your proclivities when it comes to the former vice president and her aspirations potentially in 28. Most people are saying this is a serious benefit to Kamala Harris should she run. And by the way, all indications are right now that's more likely than not. And maybe others, maybe a Wes Moore, maybe a Cory Booker, you know, not necessarily just black candidates, but there's that. And also people who, let's just say, are not in, well, you might call it more of a mainstream. People looking at Kentucky's Andy Beshear, the governor, or Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania, we'll see where this plays out. But certainly it's going to begin to set Joe for 28 in a way that is just going to enhance the battle we were just talking about between the so called new progressive DSA types and the establishment.
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Joe Armstrong
Right now we've only got about a minute left. Gary and I want to get a little into the weeds, which means we'll have to check ourselves for ticks. But so South Carolina is the black vote, which tends to be fairly and I'm grossly oversimplifying, but which tends to be fairly mainstream Democrat. And then the idea of Nevada going next is a lot of unions, they tend to be fairly mainstream Democrat. But if I look at some of the unions like the SEIU in California, they're just communists. I mean they are, they are absolutely as far left as you can get. Is, are the, is everything changing so fast that even the best laid plans of the DNC might not go the way they think they're going to go? They can't fix it like they did with Hillary and Bernie, for instance.
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Gary Dietrich
I think you're exactly right, Joe. And just to put this real, real succinctly, the union vote is not gonna be monolithic. It isn't even in the SEIU in California. We don't have time to go into the details, but you're gonna see, you're gonna see a lot of intra union battles. Even remember when a lot of the big unions, kinksters and others are saying, hey, you know what? We're thinking about getting behind Trump, you're gonna see that battle within the Democratic Party. Which unions, not all unions. Which unions go on this side, which put their chips on, on the other side.
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Joe Armstrong
Gary Dietrich, CBS television and iHeartRadio political analyst. Gary, it's been too long. A great pleasure. Let's do it again soon.
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Gary Dietrich
Likewise, buddy.
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