Why Does The President Smell Like Coffee?

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Why Does The President Smell Like Coffee?
Date: August 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand dives into a whirlwind of current events—ranging from espionage-level security around the President’s recent travels (and that much-discussed “coffee” ruse), bizarre Capitol Hill news (including Senator Chuck Grassley’s touching tribute to his vacuum, Beth), and headline coverage with their signature irreverence. A major portion features a deep-dive interview with legal scholar Tim Sandifer, who discusses his new book Proclaiming Liberty, offering incisive commentary on the origins of the Declaration of Independence, the true grievances behind the American Revolution, and the much-misunderstood legacy of the Founders regarding slavery and constitutional rights.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

Presidential Security and the Coffee Smell Ruse

[02:08–06:27]

• The Coffee Ruse Story:
  The hosts recap how President Biden (referred to simply as "the President") used subterfuge while departing Turkey. Instead of flying the new "Qatari Air Force One," he staged a departure from the old Air Force One, slipped out via a catering truck (full of coffee and snacks), boarded a military plane covertly, and then resurfaced in Britain before flying home.

  • Key Quote:
    “The President flew to Britain on that one [military plane] and there he jumped back on Air Force One… Story’s getting a lot of attention and good for the Secret Service. I mean, my gosh, they haven’t been accused of overprotecting the President much lately, have they?” — Jack Armstrong [03:53]
  • Commentary on increased threats from Iran (“credible threats to shoot Air Force One out of the sky”).

• Journalistic Take:
  The hosts lampoon how reporters and staff were unknowingly left on a decoy plane, while the President’s escape was orchestrated with almost cinematic misdirection.

Chuck Grassley’s Vacuum: Political Oddities

[06:27–12:31]

• Senator Chuck Grassley’s “Love Story” with Beth, His 50-Year-Old Vacuum:

  • Grassley posts an “obituary” for his vacuum, Beth, after decades of service.
  • The hosts riff on the oddity, American made quality, and question the mental fitness of aging politicians.
  • Key Moments:
    • “I'm beginning to warm to the idea of age limits on government officials.” — Joe Getty [07:36]
    • “That is the most affection for a household appliance I've ever heard in my life.” — Joe Getty [09:54]
  • Grassley stories evoke both affection and concern, with side commentary on previous quirky posts (like announcing a dead pigeon).

• Comic Relief:

  • Hosts imagine Grassley giving Beth a seat at the dinner table and dressing up his vacuum.

Quick Roundup of Major Headlines with Katie Green

[17:32–22:50]

• Presidential Security Coverage:
  Media reports focus on the intricate plot to sneak the President off Air Force One—Katie Green offers a digest from ABC, CNN, and Fox, each adding their own spin.

• COVID-19 Political Fallout:
  GOP senators unveil Fauci texts about COVID vaccine risks for pregnant women; hosts express skepticism and note public health messaging vs. truth.

• International/Israel:
  NYT spotlights rabbis asking a politician to tone down anti-Israel rhetoric.

• DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) Oddities:
  Francesca Hong’s “Feast of Feminine” (six-course dinner inspired by menstruation) leads to colorful host commentary.

• Economy & Climate News:

  • Workforce down by over 1 million in a year; commentary aligns with hosts’ themes of shifting work culture and immigration.
  • Record heat in the U.S. is met with host skepticism over climate data and policy impact (“Sell your parka and buy some shorts…”).

• Satirical News:
  From the Babylon Bee—James Talarico chooses to freeze his eggs (a nod to culture-war humor).

FEATURE INTERVIEW: Tim Sandifer on Liberty, The Revolution, and Slavery

[26:31–49:03]

Setting the Stage

[26:31–27:12]

• Tim Sandifer joins to discuss his new book Proclaiming Liberty.
• Hosts praise Sandifer’s ability to present overlooked realities and myth-busting history.

Parliamentary Supremacy and Colonial Grievances

[28:48–33:38]

• Main Issues Before Independence:

  • The crux of the colonial dispute was over who governed the colonies—Parliament or the King?
  • Colonies had been making their own laws for 150 years; Parliament tried to assert power much later (notably via the Sugar Act 1764 and Stamp Act 1765).
  • Key Quote:
    “The Americans said, we owe allegiance to the King…but when it comes to the legislative branch, our laws are made at our local legislatures.” — Tim Sandifer [29:20]
  • Memorable Moment:
    The hosts express surprise at the depth of ignored history behind revolution (“I missed some absolutely fundamental twists…” — Joe Getty [28:37]).

• Parliamentary Legal Tactics:

  • Parliament declared supremacy, asserting laws and taxes by fiat—and the Americans found this intolerable.

The Reality: British Oppression Was Real

[33:52–36:33]

• Admiralty Courts and Asset Forfeiture:

  • Courts with no juries, presumption of guilt, no right to counsel; assets seized even if innocence proven.
  • Key Quote:
    “If all of this sounds familiar…we are doing the same thing today through civil asset forfeiture laws…It is outrageous…” — Tim Sandifer [35:42]
  • Enforced trade restrictions (e.g. Hat Act—colonists couldn’t make hats out of their own fur).
  • Parliament’s punishment structures compared unfavorably to modern equivalents.

• Trials and “Murder Act”:

  • Accused would have to travel across the ocean for trial; “Murder Act” meant British officers could not be tried in American courts for killing colonists.
  • Joe Getty: “The system was very much loaded dice against the Americans.” [37:04]

The Founding Fathers and Slavery: Confronting Modern Myths

[43:00–48:54]

• Misconceptions in Modern Education:

  • Current narrative: Founders were hypocrites or didn’t believe “all men are created equal.”
  • Key Quote:
    “The idea that the American Founding Fathers did not believe that all men are created equal really meant all men. That's a lie.” — Tim Sandifer [43:53]
  • Sandifer explains the complexities—they did not abolish slavery instantly for political and practical reasons, not ideological ones.
  • Jefferson and other founders openly wrestled with the evil of slavery and the impossibility of immediate abolition given political realities.
  • Powerful Analogy: Sandifer compares slavery then to factory farming now, suggesting context and societal mores matter.
  • “If you’re living in a world with a colossal evil all around you and you fail to, like, end it overnight, I don’t know if that really makes you a hypocrite.” — Tim Sandifer [45:03]

• Legacies and Honest History:

  • Founders’ writings, efforts to abolish slavery, and fear of race war showed their struggle.
  • Sandifer urges listeners to cherish American history (“Americans should be proud of that history…understanding it is the first step.” [48:16])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You find me in the kitchen slicer vacuuming. It's more valuable than anyone else in the family." — Chuck Grassley (via broadcast) [06:27]

• “It was, it was a little too affectionate.” — Katie Green on Grassley’s love for his vacuum [08:06]

• “You know, God bless him for giving us something other than politics for a couple.” — Katie Green [12:17]

• "They're smarter than you. You will tell us what to do and we will tell you what to do and you will obey." — Joe Getty on Fauci and the authorities [19:04]

• “It turns out, actually Parliament has supreme absolute power over the entire empire. We can even change the constitution if we want to. The King is subordinate to us.” — Tim Sandifer [31:35]

• “British colonial rule, absolutely. It was oppressive. Absolutely. King George was a tyrant.” — Tim Sandifer [33:59]

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Recommended Timestamps

• Presidential Coffee Ruse Recap – [02:08–04:45]
• Grassley and Beth the Vacuum – [06:27–12:31]
• Katie Green’s News Roundup – [17:32–22:50]
• Tim Sandifer Interview Part 1 (Colonial Grievances) – [26:31–37:56]
• Tim Sandifer Interview Part 2 (Slavery & Founders) – [43:00–48:54]

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Tone and Style

The show blends sharp, often irreverent humor with deep-dive analysis. Joe Getty and Jack Armstrong punctuate serious commentary with dry wit, sarcasm, and moments of heartfelt reflection, especially around American history and public figures. Their guest, Tim Sandifer, brings scholarly insight but matches the conversational and accessible tone of the hosts.

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Summary Takeaways

• The “coffee” in the episode title refers to the President’s decoy-laden security maneuver in Turkey—not his personal aroma, but rather subterfuge via a catering truck that carried snacks and coffee.
• Political satire and odd-ball Capitol Hill anecdotes offer comic relief (notably Grassley’s “Beth”).
• The signature segment is an engaging, myth-busting takedown of modern misreadings of America’s founding, focused on legal, historical, and moral complexity.
• The episode encourages both skepticism toward oversimplified news narratives and a deeper appreciation for America’s revolutionary roots and the ideals of the Declaration of Independence.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This show delivers both hearty laughs and substantial intellectual ammunition. Whether you tune in for the news, the snark, or a rekindled pride in foundational American ideals, it’s one of the best blends of entertainment and education Armstrong & Getty have aired this year.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong. Live from Studio C. Senor, deep within the bowels of the Armstrong Getty information complex, this is the Armstrong and Yeti show. Live is Tuesday, August 11th, the year of our Lord 2026. Oh, I got a flip over here. This morning we're laboring under the title A visa is not a constitutional right. Or if you prefer, why does the President smell like coffee? That a reference to the I always said bizarre. It's not bizarre. It's surprising news that the president, while he was in Turkey for whatever round of useless talks, probably about Iran and he was leaving. You remember the official story was he left behind the brand new Qatari Air Force One and was going on the old Air Force One because it was, had better defensive capabilities. All that was necessary because Iran had made credible threats that they were going to try to shoot Air Force One out of the sky, which ought to be a sign to the President and to everybody how far they're willing to go down the road to crazy town. You're going to shoot Air Force One out of the sky. Holy cow. Anyway, so that was the story. He got rid of the new Air Force One. He went back to the old tried and true one. But the truth, and perhaps you've heard this story already, the truth was he got on the old Air Force One on the left side of the plane. You can picture it, went upstairs, waved everybody, hey, I love turkey. It was great. Can't wait to come back. See ya. And then he walked into the plane. Then he walked out the right side of the plane into one of those big catering containers that you see get hoisted up next to a plane to unload the coffee and the snacks and you know, the nice food for people in first class, whatever. And he huddled on that, I presume they had a chair or something for him as they sat there. And then they took that catering container just over there to that other plane, that military plane, nobody noticed. And the President flew to Britain on that one and there he jumped back on Air Force One. I think the old one, although it doesn't really matter, I think it was the old one to come home again. So story's getting a lot of attention and good for the Secret Service. I mean, my gosh, they haven't been accused of overprotecting the President much lately, have they? So that was, that was good. A lot to talk about today. There is so much news today that deserves a quick look. We have some big topics. Obviously I'm going to go deep on a couple of different things. Going to take another look, yet another look at the, the DSA and the half wit running in Wisconsin, Ms. Hong, whose primary is today. Today is D day for her. So we'll be reporting on that. We've got a couple of great guests to a handful. We'll be talking to Tim Sandifer, Tim the lawyer, about a bunch of stuff, including his book Proclaiming Liberty, which I'm absolutely loving. I've mentioned it 27 times and I have some specific questions and topics to bring up with him. Going to be talking to David Drucker, famed Washington D.C. correspondent about a number of political topics including the DSA today. And then during hour three, can't wait to talk to old friend of the Armstrong and Getty show and colleague Jason Rantz, who is one of the best, smartest guys in radio these days. He operates out of the Seattle Tacoma area on our beloved affiliate there. So can't wait to do that too. So let's begin the show now, officially, according to FCC radio rules and regulations. Here we go at mark. It was either Chuck Grassley working the kitchen peeling potatoes or run the vacuum cleaner. So it was more valuable to me than anybody else in the family.

[Tim Sandifer]

The love story of Chuck.

[Joe Getty]

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Again, love it if we jotted these things down. So you find yourself wondering what is that old man rambling about? You find me in the kitchen slicer vacuuming. It's more valuable than anyone else in the family. That was ancient senator Chuck Grassley talking about his vacuum cleaner. As Tony decouple is about to explain

[Tim Sandifer]

the love story of Chuck and Beth. Where Chuck is Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley and Beth is the family vacuum cleaner. For years the senator has been posting little snapshot of his beloved Hoover, including the two of them dancing across the living room carpet. With the senator praising his faithful machine, his old reliable. But Beth has been retired after nearly 50 years in service to the Grassley family. The senator saying goodbye, Beth and I will miss you. In a note over the weekend,

[Joe Getty]

I'm beginning to warm to the idea of age limits on government officials. All right, let's go through this in order, Katie. First of all, and I know you agree with me, tip of the cap to American made quality 50 years ago. Oh, for real? I mean seriously, a 50 year old vacuum cleaner, you gotta tip your cap to that. Secondly, does he not sound like he was in love with his vacuum cleaner?

[Katie Green]

It was, it was a little too affectionate.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe I'm just the wrong sort. Go ahead.

[Katie Green]

No, it's just even, you know, named her Beth.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he named his vacuum cleaner. What did it do for him exactly? Other than clean his carpets? I mean, I'm trying to. And seriously, I'm a fairly sentimental person about not fairly fairy about people, but I got a really good vacuum cleaner and it breaks and I can't use it anymore. My only thought is I hope I can get a vacuum cleaner that's as effective as this one.

[Katie Green]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

I'm not going to post an obituary online. You will see Beth no more. The 92 year old Mr. Grassley and the oldest senator wrote on social Media Saturday attaching an image that showed Beth's electrical cord connected to connector. I'm scarred by sparks. See Black. That's from electrical sparks. It's not safe to use anymore. Goodbye Beth. You have been a real workhorse. Your namesake still is hard worker. I will miss you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

It's simple. They love each other. You know what? Thank you, Uncle Joe. He declared it a sad day at the Grassley household.

[Katie Green]

I bet.

[Joe Getty]

Recall that Beth. Beth had worked dependably for 34 years at his home and for 15 years before that at his mother in law's house. I will miss you, R.I.P. yeah. Wow. That is the most affection for a household appliance I've ever heard in my life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

He began posting about his vacuum cleaner in 2020 when Mr. Grassley announced the death of a pigeon. Oh my God. We need age limits. Oh boy. Oh boy. I'm sorry. Here's he announced the death of a pigeon by writing on social media. And he writes like a rapper too. It's worth mentioning that if you. It's just the letter U. If you lost your pet pigeon misspelled, it's dead in my front yard. My Iowa farm just discovered in all caps.

[Tim Sandifer]

That's.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

That's.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good post there.

[Katie Green]

Things he finds excitement in two days

[Joe Getty]

before Thanksgiving in 2018, Mr. Grassley wrote on social media. Mrs. G and daughter Wendy have started big job of Preparing meal for 30 at Farm Thanksgiving. So my housework contribution begins. This is my machine, Beth. And it was a picture of him vacuuming and he made a habit of such vacuum. Related Posts Faithful Beth has about three hours of cleaning to get ready for 25 to 30. Grassley family he wrote on Christmas in 22 for Thanksgiving 23 shared a video of Beth roaring across a rug. A video now. Oh. As he pushed that, one of his great grandchildren showed him where the video button was on his his iPhone.

[Katie Green]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Shared a video of Beth roaring across a rug as he pushed the vacuum and shuffled behind it. The same year, Grassley posted an image of himself and Senator Shelley Moore Capito, Republican West Virginia, holding a cutout image of Beth. Turns out Senator Capito is a big fan of Beth. He wrote. Oh my God. You know, I like to think I have a fairly vivid imagination, but this is like something. Something one of our most gifted satirists would write.

[Katie Green]

Yes. Yes. He's 92 years old, by the way.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Josh Turek, Democratic state representative in Iowa, running for the state's other Senate seat, reached across the Aisle Saturday evening on social media and I quote, sorry for your loss, Senator. Sounds like Beth had a heck of a run.

[Ashley Iconetti]

Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Katie Green]

You know, God bless him for giving us something other than politics for a couple.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Do you think he puts a wig on that vacuum and a dress? Yeah, dresses it up. What would you like for dinner, Beth?

[Katie Green]

She has a seat at the table.

[Joe Getty]

Spaghetti. Spaghetti, man. Come over here. Oh, boy. I hate to bring everybody down, but that's what I do. We had a Joe Biden comment there. According to his reformed crackhead ho monger, gun toten, art slinging son, Hunter. I'm sorry, influence peddling. Although with the Trump family in office right now, that one, the fund's been taken out of that one. Anyway, he says that the cancer's gone everywhere for old Joe and. And the treatment's really rough on him. And so, yeah, I think, you know, look, he's awful politician, awful president in the five worst in American history, and that's saying something. But, you know, he's somebody's dad and granddad and yeah, it's terrible. So anyway, Mr. Former President, I hope your treatments go well and are not too uncomfortable, and I hope there's a miracle at the end of the line. Anyway, thanks for not running a second time. You're terrible. All right, we have Katie's headlines coming up in a moment or two. And then right after that, we'll talk to the fabulous Tim Sandifer of the Goldwater Foundation. Can't wait. Stay with us. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Joe Getty]

busy show today. A lot of great stuff to talk about. Hope you can hang around. If you can't grab it via podcast. Armstrong and Giddy on demand, you ought to subscribe. That way it auto downloads its effortless. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie.

[Katie Green]

All right, he's starting with the Alphabet Network. Trump from this from abc. Trump reportedly used a catering truck to sneak off Air Force One. Cnn Trump flew out of Turkey on a smaller craft. Reporters and staffers were unknowingly on a decoy plane and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So this is way too dangerous for the potus, but you go ahead and stay on board.

[Katie Green]

Yeah. And Fox, the president said that he is, quote, number one on Iran's target list.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'm sure that's true.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Well, and for the subterfuge to work, you had to keep everything the same except the POTUS getting off. And you know, given the highly capable defensive mechanisms of Air Force One, I have a feeling it was not unfair or those people weren't sacrificial lambs. It was just the height of caution. And it's about time the Secret Service exercised that.

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal, GOP senators release Foushee texts discussing COVID vaccine risk to pregnant women.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can talk about that more later. I don't think it's quite as definitive as some of the other stuff in the texts, but it was absolutely an example of them saying, look, don't make anything public if it's going to diminish people's accepting this thing. Thing including what might be the truth in this case. So it was definitely the theme is we're better than you, we're smarter than you. You will tell us what to do and we will tell you what to do and you will obey.

[Katie Green]

From the New York Times, rabbis plead with Mandami to tone down his anti Israel messaging.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting. Good for you. Rabbis bring it out into the open.

[Katie Green]

Let's talk about it from the Free Beacon. Move over Thanksgiving, Francesca Hong hosted, quote, Feast of Feminine with a six course dinner inspired by menstruation.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy, I'm busy that night. I haven't told you what night. Yes, I know. Good Lord.

[Katie Green]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I, you know, I will look into the details. I am not committing to bringing them to you good people Yet I just. Good Lord, what a fruitcake she is. And a simpleton and a dope.

[Katie Green]

And so are the people who attended the dinner from Market Watch. The size of the American workforce has fallen by over 1 million people in just the the last year.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, combination of men sitting out to be lazy scum and also, well, also, you know, giant dislocating changes in a lot of industries. But booting a lot of illegals out. Yeah, they're most of them. A lot of them were here to work, A lot of them not. But yeah.

[Katie Green]

From the New York post, the United SP, the United Sports. The United States breaks 132 year record for hottest month ever in July.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I, maybe, yeah. I'm never sure whether to trust that data because the climate cult has manipulated it so consistently through the years. I believe the world is getting warmer. The earth, I mean, there's evidence everywhere. But what do you do about it? Is the question. Are you going to cripple your economy like Britain has for generations and bring ruin just for a meaningless gesture? No, sell your park and buy some shorts and keep working on the green energy stuff. It's not ready yet.

[Katie Green]

And finally, from the Babylon Bee, inspired by aoc, James Talarico also elects to have his eggs frozen.

[Joe Getty]

He's a girl. He's certainly limp wristed little fancy pants. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I mean, God bless you. I don't dislike or hate anybody. I would never pick on anybody. But he is a phony and a. His whole demeanor doesn't exactly scream Texas. Not even.

[Katie Green]

Not an ounce of it.

[Joe Getty]

No, it screams like the bluer parts of Austin maybe.

[Katie Green]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Here's my favorite headline of the day. I can't stop thinking about it. High school football player practiced for an hour with a venomous snake in his helmet until the coaches discovered had wriggled up inside the padding of his helmet. It was a water moccasin, I think, or some sort of a cotton. Oh, it was a cottonmouth. Good lord. What the hell. Oh boy. Well, totally different topic. Tim Sandifer on the Declaration of Independence coming up. It's great stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Ashley Iconetti]

This is Ashley Iconetti from the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast. Ben, I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[Ashley Iconetti]

They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions.

[Tim Sandifer]

The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real.

[Ashley Iconetti]

That's why Klarna stands out. Klarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cash back that builds automatically everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming.

[Tim Sandifer]

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[Joe Getty]

So much on their plate. So much good stuff to talk about. We won't get to it all as always, but we're going to do our best. Hope you can hang around. This is always fun when Tim Sandifer joins us. Tim is the Vice President for Legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute, the author of a number of fabulous books, including notably the Permission Society, which was inspired by conversations on the Armstrong and Getty show. It says that right there in the book. Mostly this show inspires eye rolls, but indeed it inspired a terrific book. But Tim's latest book, which I have been absolutely loving, I've mentioned it 30 times, is proclaiming Liberty, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence. Tim joins us now. Mr. Sandifer, how are you sir?

[Tim Sandifer]

Oh, it's a little chaotic right now actually. We're having the closet renovated and so every stitch of clothing that I own is in a giant pile in the middle of my office and I'm sitting on top of it right now to talk to you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh wow, fabulous.

[Tim Sandifer]

I'm hoping it's good for the acoustics because it absorbs sound waves.

[Joe Getty]

You know, it should be actually. Yeah. Judy and I just did a never ending remodel and it's absolutely chaotic but it reminds you of how adaptable human beings are. Speaking of which. So I have sincerely been loving proclaiming Liberty. I look so forward to reading it every time I get a chance. It and you can describe it better than me, but it describes the period leading up to the Declaration of Independence and why all those grips gripes are in the list. Thomas Jefferson in the committee wrote and it goes into a fair amount of detail and I've been thinking about how to Express this best. Even those of us who got a decent grounding in why the colonists broke free of England got it with a very broad brush. Yeah, and never mind the kids these days that get taught the polar opposite of the truth, the bizarre 1690 notion that the revolution was to preserve slavery. But I've got to admit that even, and I felt I had a pretty good foundation in this, I'd missed some absolutely fundamental twists of history that led to the revolution. For instance, the concept of parliamentary supremacy and what an enormous issue that was leading up. Can you help people understand what that issue was?

[Tim Sandifer]

Well, you and me both, because I was in the same situation. I learned a ton working on this book and one of them was this issue. So the dispute between London and the American colonies was primarily over the power of Parliament, not the King, for Most of the 12 years that led up to the Declaration of Independence. And this is actually the book that I recommend on this for those who really want to get deeper into it, is a four volume history of the legal disputes at the heart of the revolution by a guy named John Philip Reed, who is a hero of mine. I don't know how anybody could have done the kind of scholarship he did did in the days before the Internet. It's amazing. But the dispute was really over whether Parliament had authority to govern the American colonies at all. And the Americans said no. They said, we owe allegiance to the King. He's the executive branch of our government. But when it comes to the legislative branch, our laws are made at our local legislatures, that is, you know, the Virginia House of Burgesses or the Massachusetts House of Representatives or what have you. And Parliament has no power over us. And one reason they said that was because the colonial charters that allowed the American colonies to stay start had been issued by the King. Right. That's why Virginia is named after Queen Elizabeth and why Jamestown is named after King James, because these places were created on the king's say so. And so then here comes Parliament saying in the 1760s they say, hey, it turns out that after 150 years we actually are the ones who govern you and not the King.

[Joe Getty]

And then imagining, Tim, I think that for the entirety of this time the local legislatures had been passing the laws, they had been passing the taxes, they'd even been paying the, the King's officials, the British officials who came over, because look, we're self governing, we'll, we'll, we'll take on your officials, they'll help run the place. You're the executive branch, but we make all the fiscal Decisions. And that had been the reality.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah. And. And when, when Parliament wanted money from the Americans, they would, they would send a request to the local legislature and say, would you please adopt the tax and send us the what you can afford? And London had even refunded money to the Americans for providing too much that they couldn't aff. By the 1760s, the Americans were accustomed to a century and a half of this of being given that kind. Their autonomy was being respected. And then all of a sudden, Parliament announces in 1764 with the sugar act. And then a year later, in 1765, it passes the Stamp Act. And in those two laws, Parliament says, it turns out, actually Parliament has supreme absolute power over the entire empire. We can even change the constitution if we want to. The King is subordinate to us. We control.

[Joe Getty]

And there are no human rights except, as we say, there are.

[Tim Sandifer]

That's right. All the traditional rights of Englishmen exist only at our whim, and we could repeal them if we wanted to. And in fact, there was one legal writer at the time who said, there is no such thing as an unconstitutional law, because if Parliament passes it, that automatically makes it constitutional. And the Americans are horrified by this. Now, the reason the British do it, it's not because they're crazy. The reason they do it, they have good reasons. And that is, in Britain, the fear had always been that the King was too powerful. The civil wars that they had had there had all been because the King was this, you know, independent entity separate from Parliament. And that had been the fight. And Parliament had won that battle. And Parliament saw itself as protecting people against the king. Right. And so now here come the American colonies and they're saying, well, it turns out we don't owe allegiance to Parliament. We owe our allegiance only to the King. Well, that's really scary back in London because they say, that's just why we fought the Civil wars. Right? So you have these two totally incompatible notions of the British Constitution, the unwritten British constitution. The Americans think that there's these principles of constitutionality that restrain the Parliament. And on the other hand, you have Parliament saying, no, we have absolute supreme authority. And those two incompatible ideas of the Constitution, they're as incompatible as the pro and anti slavery views of the U.S. constitution a century later. And so inevitably, they're gonna come into conflict, which finally, after a dozen years of argument and negotiation, the Americans give up and say, fine, we're just our own country. We're not gonna deal with you anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And I think it's worth noting that instead of like we did in 1789, sitting down and writing a constitution. Parliament just said, the constitution's anything we say it is and it can change at any moment. We'll let you know. That would have been if they'd gone with the, you know, let' write a constitution. That would have been a nice middle ground. I was also so interested and angered by your description of, forgive me if I get some of the terminology wrong, but the admiralty courts and the various ways that Parliament sought to enforce its will and how horrifically unfair all of that was to all of the defendants in these matters.

[Tim Sandifer]

Oh, I'm so glad that you're angry and outraged because I was hoping to write the book.

[Joe Getty]

I grabbed my musket man. I'm not kidding.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah, that's what I wanted to convey because I've seen so many times I've had to hear people say, well, it was just a little fight over a three penny tax on tea. What was the big deal? The Americans complained and said that they were being oppressed and they weren't really and all this sort of stuff. Yes, they absolutely were. British colonial rule, absolutely. It was oppressive. Absolutely. King George was a tyrant, but it wasn't just him, he was going along with Parliament and that's why he was a tyrant. So of course it was outrageous. It was much more than the tax on the t the Admiralty Courts. You're talking how Parliament was enforcing its restrictions on American trade. Not just taxes, but prohibitions on people doing business in order to enrich people back in London by eliminating economic competition. And some of these things were crazy, like the Hat act that made it illegal for an American to make hats out of furs trapped on their own land. You had to send the fur to London to be made into a hat instead of and then sent back to you. That's just crazy.

[Joe Getty]

And you couldn't send the fur anywhere else either. It had to be London.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And if you did send your goods to any other country, they had to go through England so that your ship would be essentially double taxed in England on its route to your ultimate destination. So to enforce these, Parliament creates these admiralty courts. And the Admiralty courts are called that because they originated with the Navy. That's what they were originally designed for. But now Parliament expands them to control everything, basically. And in an Admiralty Court, you have no right to a jury, you are not presumed innocent, you have to prove your innocence, you have no right to counsel, you have all these restrictions on the so called traditional rights of Englishmen. Right. And the punishment is forfeiture.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Tim Sandifer]

So you have, so the parliament will come in and prosecute you. You have to prove your innocence. And if you fail to do that, they're gonna take your stuff and sell it and profit themselves off of it. And, and even if you do win your case, you still cannot recover damages for being wrongly accused. If a judge thinks that, well, there was probable cause to think that you were guilty. Now, if all of this sounds familiar to you, that's because we are doing the same thing today through civil asset forfeiture laws every day in this country. Presuming people guilty, seizing their assets, putting them through trials with no jury where they have no presumption of innocence, stealing their property and allowing the government to sell it and profit from it. It's going on every day in this country. And it is outrageous that we are committing the same wrongs today that our ancestors thought was worth, was worth overthrowing British rule for.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's absolutely unholy. That's a topic for another day. But the final thing I want to say about the, you know, the, the awful system of injustice that we're describing is often the trials would be held hundreds of miles away from where the infraction allegedly incurred, or even worse, across the ocean in England. And if I had any witnesses, I had to bring them across the ocean, take weeks at my own expense. And then even in the best of circumstances, I'm financially ruined. I mean, some of justice.

[Tim Sandifer]

And that's assuming that you survive this. Right. Cause you know, going on a ship across the Atlantic Ocean and back is not just time consuming, but extremely dangerous. You could be shipwrecked, you could catch tuberculosis or any number of diseases. I mean, it's crazy. And one of the so called intolerable acts that Parliament passes just before independence is the Americans call it the Murder Act. This is a law that says that if a British customs official kills an American while enforcing his duties, he can't be tried in American courts. He has to be tried in London instead. Which means that the accused, I mean the victim, rather the survivors and all the witnesses have to go to London. And of course you're gonna be tried in front of a biased British jury anyway. So it's really a system that is very much loaded dice against the Americans and it's all to profit a small handful of people who Parliament.

[Joe Getty]

Tim, can you hang on to do one more segment? All right, fabulous. Tim Sandifer, Vice President for Legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute. We're going to talk a little bit about the founders and slavery. Always a great topic because people have such a twisted view of that reality. Quick word from our friends and sponsors at SimpliSafe Home Security most home security systems, if an intruder approaches your house, they just sit there and the guy stalks your windows, looking in your windows, whatever. And the alarm system does nothing until your window gets smashed. The guy gets inside, snatches stuff and runs off. Then you get a notification. Thanks. But with SimpliSafe Home Security they alert the the 24 hour or 247 live monitoring agents see that something untoward is going on, alerted by the AI in the system. Then they call 91 1-ASPATCH and they tell the cops specifically what's going on. They set off the alarm before the guy smashes your window. They can even talk to him through the cameras for goodness sake. Simply Safe has been protecting our world for 20 years. Right now you can get 50 off a new SimpliSafe system. Go to simplisafe.com Armstrong super easy and simple to use too. That's simply safe.com Armstrong For 50 off there's no safe like SimpliSafe. More with Tim Sandifer right after the break.

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[Kyle McLaughlin]

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[Kyle McLaughlin]

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[Joe Getty]

How you doing? Glad you're here. Tim the lawyer. Sandifer. Tim Sandifer, the vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute, is with us. We're talking about his fabulous book proclaimed Claiming Liberty, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. Tim, thanks for hanging Around.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah, no problem.

[Joe Getty]

So I think you talked to Jack about this while I was on vacation. But it's absolutely worth touching on again, at least briefly, the question of the Founding Fathers, and I mean, maybe most particularly Thomas Jefferson and slavery and the notion being pushed in virtually all of our government schools these days. I think that the Founding Fathers were hypocrites and just pretended that all men are created equal didn't conflict with slavery, and just kind of shuffled their feet and pretended that conflict wasn't there. How untrue is that characterization?

[Tim Sandifer]

Oh, he's utterly insane. The idea that the American Founding Fathers did not believe that all men are created equal really meant all men. That's a lie. And the only piece of evidence that has ever been brought forward for this is the fact that the American Founders did not eliminate slavery immediately in July of 1776. But there's all sorts of reasons to explain why that happened. And, you know, for one thing, they had no idea and no power to do that. They had no idea how to accomplish it and no power to do it. If the American Continental Congress had tried to abolish slavery on July 4, 1776, it would have failed to do so. It would all would have accomplished. Would it be to destroy the Continental Congress. It would not have eliminated slavery. But that's the only piece of evidence that has ever been brought forward to show that the American Founding Fathers did not believe all men to mean all men. Now, that's a separate question from whether they were hypocrites. If they were, the question of whether they were hypocrites for not eliminating slavery, that is, I think, a little bit more complicated. And I think we're not trying harder, frankly. Yeah. But I think we need to begin by asking ourselves what we would do in a situation like that.

[Joe Getty]

That.

[Tim Sandifer]

And one way to do that is to imagine that there was some enormous evil in the world today and how we would deal with that evil. There are a lot of people who think that the consumption of animal meat is a horrifying evil, that animals have rights, and that eating meat is a cruel and inhumane and disgusting practice. Now, they live in a world where just about everybody's eating meat. So what should they do about this? Now, there are some people who go full vegan about that, and, you know, that's fine if that's their choice, but for the most part, I think what most people do is, yeah, they feel bad about, you know, things like factory farming or the mistreatment of animals or something like that, but they go ahead and they eat meat and they use leather, and they just live in a world where that's the case. Are they hypocrites for that? Well, I guess maybe it depends on what your standards are. But I think if you're living in a world with a colossal evil all around you and you fail to, like, ended overnight, I don't know if that really makes you a hypocrite. I think it just means that you live in a complicated world with a lot of political barriers to accomplishing justice. And there were a lot of political barriers to accomplishing justice in 1776. All the states had. Well, almost all the states had slavery to some extent, but they were being. Slavery was being abolished. There was a movement on foot to eliminate slavery, and the states were getting rid of slavery. And it was all going in one direction at that time. And the American founding fathers were very candid about how evil slavery was. Jefferson says, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and his justice cannot sleep forever. There is no part of a just God that can side with whites in a fight between blacks and whites. I mean, that's amazingly candid. He's publishing this in a book. I don't know of any similar example of a revolutionary movement where the founders say, we believe in X and we recognize that our entire economy is basically based on the opposite of X, and we pledge ourselves to getting rid of X, but we just don't know how to do it right now. I mean, that's amazing. And to ignore that progress, I think, just requires ideological blindness and dishonesty.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Tim, I know you're a moral man, not a religious one, but whether your morals come from the Bible or elsewhere, I think virtually every philosophy that's ever taken hold recognizes that if you go, say, several hundred years down the road of the wrong thing, untangling, it's gonna be a bitch.

[Tim Sandifer]

Yeah, right. And you're talking about a world where it had never been done. There was no precedent for a society eliminating slavery without starting a race war. Every time that it had been tried, it ended up killing lots and lots of people. So now we're gonna not only abolish slavery, but live in a multiracial democracy for which there was no precedent at all. It's not surprising that this was unimaginable to people like Jefferson and Adams who were reading this history and saying, well, anytime people tried to abolish slavery in the past, it's led to race war. So how are we gonna avoid that? I mean, of course it was a new idea to them. Of course, they failed to just snap their fingers and end slavery overnight. Nobody could have done that.

[Kyle McLaughlin]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Excellent point. We've barely got a minute left. Tim. What? When you were writing the book, did you hope the main takeaway would be for folks reading it?

[Tim Sandifer]

I wanted people mostly to take away the idea that the revolution was fought for a for just reasons. The Americans were right to do what they did. The principles that all men are created equal with inalienable rights are true and the political causes of the revolution were legitimate. What Britain was doing to the American colonies really was wrong and really was oppressive. And Americans should be proud of that history and should cherish it. And understanding it is the first step toward cherishing it. Not just a bunch of flag waving pronouncements every July 4th, but really understanding why we fought the Revolution and why the dream of the Declaration deserves to survive and prevail in today's world.

[Jack Armstrong]

World.

[Joe Getty]

Tim Sandifer, the Goldwater Institute the book is proclaiming Liberty, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, the Declaration of Independence. And I love it. Tim, great to talk to you as always. Let's stay in touch.

[Tim Sandifer]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks. All right. Thank you, amigo. Excellent. All sorts of stuff. We're going to squeeze in some mailbag next hour and just and there's 20 stories I want to just Bingo bango, bongo. So it's going to be action packed. Buckle your seat belts, stay with us.

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