The A&G Replay Monday Hour Three

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "The A&G Replay Monday Hour Three" (June 29, 2026)

Host: Armstrong & Getty (Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This replay episode centers on the persistent problem of fraud in public programs and the nonprofit sector, the pitfalls of wealth tax policies, generational intelligence declines related to technology, and the overlooked value of idle thought in an always-on digital world. The hosts bring their trademark skeptical humor and conversational tone as they critique government inefficiencies, societal misconceptions, and cultural shifts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fraudulent Welfare State & Nonprofit Scams

• Main Idea: Welfare and nonprofit systems are rife with fraud, often benefiting scammers rather than intended recipients.
• Key Segments:
  • Fraud in Welfare Programs:
    • The hosts discuss how the "welfare state is a giant fraud network that occasionally helps out the needy." (03:22)
    • They question why progressives aren't more aggressive about cracking down on fraud since it ultimately hurts the needy (03:35–04:18).
  • Children's Behavioral Health Services Scam:
    • Outrage over high-profile scam artists stealing money meant for kids' behavioral health services and living extravagantly as a result.
    • Memorable Quote:
      • "You should be executed." – Co-host, on scammers driving Bentleys and Maseratis while stealing from programs for children (05:01).
    • Discussion about the frequency of third-party payment programs breeding fraud (05:32).
  • FBI’s Top Ten Fraudsters:
    • Exploration of the FBI’s list, highlighting individuals who stole millions in COVID relief and investment frauds (06:30–08:08).
    • Commentary on the inefficiency of legitimate users accessing help, in contrast to scammers’ ease (07:07–07:12).

2. The Nonprofit State: Grift in California

• Main Idea: Nonprofits, especially in California, are often inefficient or outright scams.
• Key Segments:
  • California’s $1.7 billion nonprofit sector is scrutinized for ineffective use and staff enrichment (09:18–10:38).
    • Example: The Dream Keeper Initiative spent funds on lavish perks.
    • Quote: "The salaries are the profit. The benefits are the profit. Travel is the profit, Right?" – Joe Getty (11:01–11:09)
  • Calls for greater scrutiny and skepticism of nonprofits; not every nonprofit is virtuous (11:12–11:58).
  • Memories of how political machines use the nonprofit sector for patronage and votes, drawing parallels to modern times.

3. Critique of Wealth Taxes

• Main Idea: The hosts dissect the problems with progressive wealth taxes, citing Megan McArdle’s critique.
• Key Segments:
  • Wealth taxes sound appealing but are hard to administer and typically backfire (14:05–18:50).
    • Historical context: Most countries have abandoned wealth taxes due to capital flight and low revenues.
    • Quote: "Wealth is transportable...You are taxed on the momentary value of an asset." – Joe Getty (17:44–18:50)
  • Skepticism that taxes targeting billionaires will, over time, expand to hit more citizens (16:01–17:12).
  • Value-added tax (VAT) briefly championed as an alternative by Joe Getty: "There's no tax evasion anymore." (19:14)

4. The Power of Daydreaming & Impact of Digital Distraction

• Main Idea: Modern life has eroded the natural space for daydreaming, reducing problem-solving and well-being.
• Key Segments:
  • Discussion of research showing people underestimate how much they'd enjoy quiet reflection (25:01–25:33).
  • Daydreaming aids problem-solving and helps forge social bonds—benefits lost when constantly consuming content (28:01–30:20).
    • Quote: "The ability to go elsewhere in our minds is what makes us human." – Joe Getty (27:27)
  • Both hosts reflect on their own (and their children’s) struggles to have screen-free moments (25:53–29:37).
  • Parallels drawn to past societal misconceptions (e.g., cigarette health claims), suggesting future generations will find our screen habits astonishing (32:48–33:26).

5. Generational Intelligence Declines & EdTech

• Main Idea: Gen Z is the first generation to be measured as less intelligent, on average, than their parents—a trend blamed on digital technology.
• Key Segments:
  • Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath's findings: Excessive use of screens and short-form content impairs attention, memory, reading, and problem-solving (38:02–39:52).
    • Quote: "Gen Z... have been cognitively stunted by their over reliance on digital technology in school." – Joe Getty (38:02)
  • The hosts note modern edtech's inability to provide deep learning, as opposed to traditional face-to-face and book learning.
  • Attention is seen as foundational for all learning; digital distractions make deep focus and memory harder (39:09–41:08).
  • Funny asides about reading Ulysses on Kindle and the lack of memory anchors as with physical books (41:08–43:51).
  • The convenience of e-readers versus the enduring value of physical books debated (43:31–44:24).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Welfare Fraud:
  "You're the ones that care about the downtrodden. I would think you would want the money to be spent on the downtrodden and not stolen." (03:46)

• On Scam Artists:
  "You should be executed." (05:01; re: fraudsters stealing from children’s behavioral health funds)

• On Nonprofit Sector Grift:
  "The salaries are the profit. The benefits are the profit. Travel is the profit, Right?" – Joe Getty (11:01–11:09)

• On Wealth Tax:
  "Wealth is transportable...You are taxed on the momentary value of an asset." – Joe Getty (17:44–18:50)

• On Daydreaming’s Value:
  "The ability to go elsewhere in our minds is what makes us human." – Joe Getty (27:27)

• On Generational Intelligence Decline:
  "Gen Z...have been cognitively stunted by their over reliance on digital technology in school." – Joe Getty (38:02)

• Physical vs. Digital Books:
  "If you read a book, book, as opposed to something you're scrolling through, you will have part of your memory is the physical location of that idea on the page." (41:08)

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Segment Timestamps for Reference

• Fraud in Welfare & Nonprofits: 03:22–12:59
• Wealth Tax Critique (w/ Megan McArdle): 13:59–19:51
• Daydreaming & Digital Distraction: 23:19–34:42
• Generational Intelligence & EdTech: 37:57–44:24

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Episode Tone & Style

• Tone: Conversational, sardonic, skeptical, occasionally indignant, but informative; generous use of humor and pop culture references.
• Language: Candid, witty, sometimes provocative (e.g., capital punishment comments for scammers), accessible explanations of policy and science.

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Summary Value

This episode is a lively, critical examination of modern American political and technological trends, mixing social commentary with humor. Whether highlighting the irony of fraud in systems meant to help, the unintended consequences of technological convenience, or the hidden costs of good-sounding policies, Armstrong & Getty urge listeners to remain skeptical and think independently.

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For more on these topics, listen to the full Armstrong & Getty podcast or read Megan McArdle’s Washington Post columns on tax policy and public spending.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here is Armstrong. And yet you don't know this about us, but behind the scenes, we're really, really cruel and demanding. Armstrong and Yeti here And the staff has been busily assembling during our vacation. A collection of clips and things that have happened in recent months that are especially entertaining and evergreen.

[Co-host/Commentator]

As we say now, more of the

Armstrong and Getty replay.

[Joe Getty]

Came up with this about six months ago. America's. What would you call it, the welfare state is a giant fraud network that occasionally helps out the needy.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I wish everybody could get on board with that.

As I've been saying for years, I don't understand why progressives don't want to

crack down on fraud just as much

as fiscal conservatives so that that money

can actually be used for the things

that you care about more than I care about.

You're the ones that care about the downtrodden. I would think you would want the money to be spent on the downtrodden and not stolen. But for whatever reason, the left is fine or isn't. Has never been as animated about trying

to root this stuff out.

Doesn't make sense. I want to keep my money. I don't care about the downtrodden that much. I want my money to stay with me.

I earned it.

I went to work. You're the one who cares about all these different people, so I would think you would want the money to get to them.

[Joe Getty]

I just think they believe that pointing out fraud or admitting fraud is to indict the program in general. And so they just pretend it's Hummingbird. Well, you're wrong.

[Co-host/Commentator]

You're.

[Joe Getty]

It makes no sense. It's immoral. It's disgusting.

[Co-host/Commentator]

So on this one, there's different kinds of fraud. It's all bad, but, man, some of them are extra bad.

Like this one, the one with the

Children's behavioral health services. Four defendants busted in an investigation. Fourteen vehicles, including a Maserati, a Mercedes, a Bentley, a McLaren. So these scumbags are not only stealing money from you, but. But they're living just a ridiculous. What are you doing driving a Bentley and a McLaren when you're stealing from parents who sent your kids there attending summer camps, church groups, rec programs, and everything like that for all kinds of different psychotherapy around autism or OCD or anxiety or depression or all these problems that a lot of us have with our kids, and you're freaking stealing from these poor parents and these poor kids and driving around in a Maserati. You should be executed.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks for taking my money.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I want capital punishment for those people. You are the scummiest of scumbags. Yeah.

Yep.

[Joe Getty]

And where there is third party payment, there is theft and fraud and the government's A third party. Everybody knows it. It's discouraging. I love this. This is one of my favorite things the Trump administration has done. Yeah, go crazy. Take, take this all the way to the wall. See how much you can get done.

[Co-host/Commentator]

So Cash Patel was up there and

first of all, just one of my little jihads I've been doing for years.

Hey, government people. This. Whoever invented this idea of you have a press conference and you spend the first 15 minutes congratulating each other.

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is doing a really good job.

Okay, whatever.

I finally got around to the information.

So the FBI announced the top ten fraudsters out there.

They always have a list going. It's kind of like the 10 most wanted. But this is particularly around fraud.

I just.

[Joe Getty]

That's good.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I just clicked on a couple at

random just to see what they were. Here's this woman, young attractive woman, Elaine Esco, who's disappeared.

She's wanted for obtaining over $32 million in federal COVID 19 relief funds.

[Glenn Washington]

Wow.

[Co-host/Commentator]

She and a couple other people submitted more than 90 fraudulent applications for funds from the Paycheck protection program. That's funny. I got a friend with an actual

business who actually needed protection and had

to jump through all kinds of hoops

and made it almost impossible for him to get the money.

Anyway, this woman and her four friends stole $32 million that they didn't deserve or need at all.

These people have disappeared. These fraudsters that are on the list,

this guy, Christopher Burns, he defrauded victims out of $10 million and he disappeared in 2020. Last he was seen, he left his home in 2020, the day before he was supposed to turn over documents to the SEC and has never been seen again.

That's six and a half years ago.

You'll never see him again. Yeah, he's living a wonderful life in some other part of the world, I'm guessing. Anyway, his scheme was. He allegedly falsely told victims he was investing their money in a peer to peer lending program and the loans are backed by collateral. Apparently he did not have the collateral. All he was doing was stealing their money. But how do you do that to the tune of $10 million?

That's really quite amazing.

[Joe Getty]

So okay.

[Glenn Washington]

This is.

[Joe Getty]

So they're taking on private fraud as well as fraudulently bilking taxpayer programs.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yeah, all kinds of fraud. All kinds of.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting.

[Co-host/Commentator]

But I wanted.

[Joe Getty]

I love it.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I wanted to get to this.

I'll find it here.

The nonprofit state.

This was from the California Post they put out last night about how California leads the America like we do in so many different things. Sometimes we lead America by being the worst in America.

For instance, that business climate, the nonprofit state, the fraudsters have perfected nonprofits in the state of California.

And a whole bunch of them are

getting cracked down on. Finally there are in San Francisco, particularly the mayor of San Francisco, the guy that helped clean up the streets and get so many of the homeless people off the streets and all that sort of stuff and. And change the direction when people got. Finally got fed up. Is trying to crack down on all these different nonprofits that they've got going on that are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Are crap. Mayor Lurie. Trying to trim the city budget. Hundreds of nonprofit organizations across San Francisco rake in $1.63 billion annually. That's one city just in San Francisco. $1.63 billion for things like as it says here in the California Post, hosting street fairs next to open drug markets in the Tenderloin, giving free money to undocumented immigrants, repairing historic harms is one of them.

[Joe Getty]

Is one of your nonprofits. I'd be great at that.

[Co-host/Commentator]

$1.7 billion for all these different non profits.

And then it goes through some of

the expenses of these non profits. A lot of the nonprofit money goes to staff. That's where a ton of this goes. And some non profits. Almost all the money goes to staff. Using my finger. The Dream Keeper initiative, for example, that is supposed to. That sounds good.

How could you be against something called the Dreamkeeper Initiative? And everybody that works for the non

profit, they're not in it for profit. They're in here to help black residents of San Francisco. They spent $6 million on other things like a trip to Martha's Vineyard for everybody, spa days for execs, a bulk order of employees, children, books. Just one of them. Wrote a book, then ordered gazillion copies

of at the money of the nonprofit. Anyway, there's all kinds of examples of that.

I'm hoping the whole nonprofit world is finally being exposed for what it is. And you have to be an actual nonprofit with a lot of scrutiny on you to survive this wave of nonprofit. You don't get to just say that anymore. And I automatically assume you're doing good stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Please. The salaries are the profit. The benefits are the profit.

[Co-host/Commentator]

You get a car.

[Joe Getty]

Travel is the profit, Right?

[Co-host/Commentator]

Wake up, America, man.

If my conscience didn't get in the

way of this sort of thing, I wish I would have several years ago tried to. The whole nonprofit thing or one of those frauds, just to see.

To pull it off is like a hobby.

You know, you come up with a name like George Costanza's Human Fund or something like that, and you. You have a one sheet about all the good things you're going to do,

and then you apply to something, or

you go to speak at a Rotary

Club or whatever the hell you do

to get these things going, and money

starts flowing your way, and you drive around in a nice car.

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[Co-host/Commentator]

I'm the CEO of this nonprofit. I gotta get. I want. I'm supposed to walk places. I gotta have a car. It just happens to be a McLaren. And I need to travel to various places to talk to other groups that do similar work as me. What am I supposed to walk there?

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[Co-host/Commentator]

I need to fly, and I got long legs. I need to sit in first class and I need a nice bed, so I get a good night's sleep to go to the conference. So I'm staying in a nice hotel

[Joe Getty]

and I'm managing a hell of a lot of money. So of course I make 400k a year on top of the rest of the stuff. I was lucky, I guess, that I think. I'm pretty sure it was my dad who explained to me when, excuse me, I guess I was a teenager growing up in Chicagoland, how the whole nonprofit thing works, that the government takes taxpayers, it hands money, taxpayers money hands it to the cronies. The cronies then do just enough work to barely justify their existence, but then they keep the money and in return, they turn out the vote every single time, so the machine stays in power. And so, heck, from before, I, like, kissed a girl, you know, effectively, I knew what that looked like, which unfortunately puts me in a very, very small minority of people, because I think the nonprofit is one of those scams. It's like socialism. You have to knock it back every single generation because it seems attractive on its face. And nobody goes beyond that. Nobody digs any deeper.

[Co-host/Commentator]

People throw that term around as if it is a solid stamp of goodness. Well, it's a nonprofit.

Oh, okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Commentator]

$1.7 billion going out to nonprofits just in San Francisco. How much of that is legitimate?

Making the world a better place. People not Drawing exorbitant salaries or getting a car or all the stuff we were just talking about.

[Joe Getty]

Remember when Gavin Newsom admitted that they didn't even have a mechanism for weighing the effectiveness on of so called homeless programs? That wasn't an oversight, folks. That intentionally.

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[Joe Getty]

I laugh.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Megan McArdle's a great columnist with the Washington Post. She's very sane, very smart and, and she went really good.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I've become a giant fan of her.

[Joe Getty]

I know I need to read her more regularly, but she's going into the myth of the billionaire wealth tax and this is in particular for Californians who are soon to be victims of it. You're thinking, I'm not a billionaire, I'm not going to be a victim of it. Oh yeah, you are. And I'll explain that in a minute. But that sort of thing. Bernie Sanders is pushing it coast to coast, as is alc. That's right, millionaires and billionaires. Anyway, here's what's wrong with it and Megan does a nice job of laying it out. Number one, it doesn't work. But she starts with the problem with government spending is you have to pay for it. New programs often poll well when you tell people about the benefits, but when you mention raising taxes to pay for it, it's a whole different story. So what if you didn't have to tax reluctant voters to fund your big ideas? I've got to depart from the text here and point out that's the idea of the so called progressive tax rate is most of the taxes come from a very small group of people, so they can't vote against the new spending. They're not enough of them. So the more progressive the tax rate, the more regressive and non representative the democracy is. That's why I hate the progressive tax rate. Have since I was a kid, oddly enough. And I had no money as a kid anyway. So Elon Musk is sitting on something north of 670 billion. For instance, if the government took just 5% of that, it would have almost $34 billion to spend on health care and child care and green energy.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

And there are almost a thousand other billionaires in the country. So pass that wealth tax and warm up the money cannons, she writes. I love that imagery. Anyway, she writes, if only if it were so easy. And then she goes into the wealth tax proposed by Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, Democrat Communist of California. Their bill would slap 5% annual wealth tax on anyone with more than a Billion dollars in assets. So it's just paper assets, unrealized wealth, stock, whatever you annual.

[Co-host/Commentator]

It was supposed to be one time.

Original.

[Glenn Washington]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

She's talking about. And I'm sorry, I should have. Thank you for pointing that out. She's pointing about the. Pointing out the nationalized movement.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

The national movement to do wealth taxes. There is a specific one in California that's going to be on the ballot, perhaps, but.

[Co-host/Commentator]

But everybody knows that if you can get that one time passed, how easy

it'll get to be able to turn it into next year.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Co-host/Commentator]

That's a camel nose tent sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

So let's see. How much time do we have?

[Co-host/Commentator]

Ooh, not a lot.

[Joe Getty]

So there are serious arguments that it's unconstitutional anyway. But even more unfortunately, she writes, wealth taxes have been tried over and over. And most countries that adopted them eventually abandoned the idea completely, finding that such taxes were difficult to administer, caused capital flight, and raised little revenue. An analysis by University of Toronto economist Joseph Steinberg suggests that tax revenue would actually fall if the Sanders counter proposal were enacted because of increased incentives for tax evasion. And these people and their accountants are extremely sophisticated in. Why don't we call it tax minimization?

[Co-host/Commentator]

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[Joe Getty]

And people become more willing to risk penalties for evasion as you raise the stake. And also reduced economic output. And then she goes into some great Econ 101 stuff about even if you think you can crack down on evasion and you're unconvinced by some Econ 101 arguments that capital taxes depress savings and output, you should still be skeptical. And then I'm looking at the clock. We don't have time for this illustration. Maybe we'll talk about it in the podcast.

[Co-host/Commentator]

See the Rolling Stones moving to France when Britain tried this.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yes. Some of the main problems with it is that wealth is transportable, that people instinctively and constitutionally understand that. Look, I have something. This is the greatest illustration. You have a stock that's worth, say, $100,000. You get taxed 5% of that because this will. Oh, it starts with billionaires, then it will absolutely go down, down, down, down, down. Then they will make the case, look, you got $5 million. How can you say you can't afford your fair share to feed the poor? You know, you've heard the arguments a million times. But so anyway, you got stocks worth five. $100,000 gets taxed at 5%, market craters because of a war in the Middle east, or there's a better technology. AI eliminates those Jobs, whatever. That. That stock plunges down to $60,000. You've just lost $40,000. You don't get your 5% back. You are taxed on the momentary value of an asset. So you've got to sell it at an enormous loss. And you got taxed on the value. It's just.

[Glenn Washington]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's an insane idea. And unimplementable. And you got the problem with paper wealth. University of Michigan law school study last year, about three. Nah, we don't have time for that. Too many details. So anyway, it's a bad idea and it doesn't work. You know, I'm a fan of the value added tax. I understand the arguments against it. It's essentially taxes on expenditures. They're only taxes on expenditures.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Makes sense.

[Joe Getty]

Whether I hire a prostitute who then goes to buy a gallon of paint, for instance. They're a hooker with a nice place, all right? They want to keep it. Who's dealing those expenditures? So drug dealers end up paying taxes because everything they buy gets the value added tax put to it. So there's no tax evasion anymore.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I like a harlot who's DIY in her home life. I just.

[Joe Getty]

Right, sure. Resourceful little guy.

[Co-host/Commentator]

So she bought a gallon of paint,

and all the money adds up to taxes.

[Joe Getty]

Painting is taping. Don't rush that process. Okay.

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Wow. That's a good tip.

[Joe Getty]

What will you do for 100 bucks?

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That was a bad way to end Armstrong and Getty. The reality is this is fabulous.

I thank you.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

I just happened to produce a very brief, a long article, but very briefly, about Thomas Paine and the character that he was and how he'd come to America penniless and had had to sell everything he owned in London to escape debtors prison. And as you know, he's a bit of a firebrand and half a nut. And In January of 1776, he was yelling for independence when very, very few people were. And how that became More and more influential.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I'm looking forward to all of the founding stuff that we're going to hear about this year.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, I am, too. Welcome to what I'm going to call Joe Getty's the Amazing Brain.

[Co-host/Commentator]

That's our feature.

Joe Getty's the Amazing Brain.

[Joe Getty]

The Amazing Brain. I was boring our daughter and her man with various descriptions of birds and natural phenomenon near our house and realized my dream, really my dream career is to be the American David at Attenborough. You know, the Canada goose with its plaintive cry in the fall, moves south for. You know, I haven't written it out, but, you know, I think I could do that well because I really like nature, so I could really take, like describing different sorts of pine cones very serious. Well, anyway, so. Oh, the amazing Bruh. Joe Getty's the Amazing Brain. Why you should put your phone down and daydream instead. People consistently underestimate how much they would enjoy just thinking.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I thought about this yesterday.

I was, I don't remember what I was about to do. Maybe take a shower or something like that. I listened to. I listen to books when I'm showering and I enjoy it.

But I have cut out almost all

time where I'm not taking in content.

It's good content, it's easily defendable content. It's not crap that I'm taking in.

But there's not a lot of downtime for my brain.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So they mentioned that daydreaming has been the subject of scientific research for decades and we. I don't know if this is still currently true, but spend as much as half of our awake time daydreaming or listening to our own thoughts. Not always pleasant. In one famous study, which I didn't dig into, but participants preferred to get an electric shock rather than sit quietly with their own thoughts. Oh boy,

[Co-host/Commentator]

go ahead and shock me just so I know I'm alive. I can't sit here and listen to my own thoughts.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So this one professor at University of Florida said she compared idly scrolling on the phone to cognitive junk food, meaning it might feel good in the moment, but really doesn't do it much for us. So much of what we've accomplished as humans come from higher order thinking. So here are three reasons to leave your phone in your pocket, let your mind wander instead. Number one, you'll probably enjoy it more than you think. 2022 study researchers found that people consistently underestimated how much they would enjoy just thinking. They were asked to predict how they would feel and Then afterward, they were asked how it went.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I know my kids who have been trained by this their whole lives, you know, the bonded world, find it just intolerable, absolutely intolerable. You would think that that wouldn't be a natural response.

If it's so good for us,

how

[Joe Getty]

quickly could you undo it, though, is my devil's advocate question.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I have no idea.

[Joe Getty]

I don't.

[Co-host/Commentator]

But they've. They've never known a different thing, though. I mean, anybody younger than when the iPhone came out in 2007. So everybody under, what, 45 or something like that. Never, never done it any differently. Can't even imagine. It seems so strange that you would just have your own thoughts.

But arguing with myself,

as I said, you would think if it's good for us, we would be more inclined to enjoy it and want to do it.

[Joe Getty]

But potato chips are horrible for us.

[Co-host/Commentator]

You'd think we'd be less inclined to eat potato chips, but we're not.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, funny you should bring that up. Anyway, so this one scientist said, the ability to go elsewhere in our minds is what makes us human. And I find myself wondering, you know, because chimps. I was going to make a joke about must mate, must eat, must mate, must eat.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Those are my thoughts.

[Joe Getty]

Must mate. Homer Jay Armstrong. But then, you know, when chimps are resting and they're glancing around, they got to be thinking about something, right? Or their minds just completely blank.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Man, is her ass red. She must want that.

[Joe Getty]

That's baboons. All right, Number two reason to put down your phone and just daydream. Daydreaming may help you solve problems. One of the most important reasons our minds wander is that this kind of free association thinking is effective for problem solving, often more than sitting down with the intention of figuring out a solution. People do this a lot when they're driving. And you know what? I am willing to bet every single person listening to these words is going to think, oh, yeah, that's true. When I say this, showering, putting on makeup, all of these kinds of things. When you're doing something in the external world, it's sort of automatic. Your thoughts are free to wander, and that's when you have great thoughts. I used to joke during the show that it's when I ran to the bathroom that I would have these great either ideas or put things together or come to a realization or what have you. It's just, it's undeniable.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I don't know. I don't. I can't answer your question because I

haven't done it in so long.

I haven't taken a shower or gone to the gym and lifted weights or anything without listening to a podcast or something in a very, very long time. So I don't remember what that's like.

[Glenn Washington]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Well, keep torturing your poor brain. Research suggests people are more likely to solve a problem after a period of mind wandering, even if. If they weren't consciously thinking about the issue at all.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yeah, I know that. I used to do that with term papers. Worked for me all the time through high school and college. I'd get stumped and I just think I'm gonna go to bed and when I wake up, I'll have a. I'll have an idea. And I would wake up with an idea and it was not like I was pondering it. My brain would work on it while I was asleep.

[Joe Getty]

A few weeks ago, some of you good folks with fabulous memories might be able to refresh mine, but we had a handful of quotes from the great thinkers of history talking about how a long walk was utterly just indispensable to them doing what they do. Let's see.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I wonder how Elon does it because

he's really big into taking in information and podcasts and all that sort of stuff and thinks we can do it at, you know, two times the speed if we practice and all that sort of stuff.

I don't get the sense that he

does a lot of mind wandering, yet he comes up with all kinds of things, so I'd love to know how he approaches it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, although that would be interesting. But he is absolutely an outlier neurologically to the rest of us.

[Co-host/Commentator]

No doubt.

[Joe Getty]

So I'm not sure what it would have to do with me. Finally, daydreaming makes you feel closer to people. I did not see this one coming. This other researcher has spent much of her research time exploring daydreaming and imagination has found surprising social and emotional benefits. In one study, participants were asked to imagine either a pleasant interaction with a loved one or another positive but non social event like getting a good grade. The people who imagine time with a loved one felt more connected to that person. Blah, blah, blah. You think about the people in your life and it makes you feel closer to them.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Hansen and I have both had this experience recently with kids where they lost their screen time privileges and you notice a positive change in their demeanor very quickly. Wow, that is interesting. Yeah, I was surprised that it happened so fast. One of my kids lost all his screen time and it. He is clearly calmer and just.

I don't Know, like, just seems freer

more easily in the world without any screen time.

[Joe Getty]

Isn't that interesting? I don't doubt that for a second.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I don't either.

[Joe Getty]

So there's more to Joe Getty's the Amazing Brain. I found this actually oddly disturbing or something. You know when your mind goes blank temporarily.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Scientists think consciousness may actually pause while you're awake. The brain patterns during mind blanking resemble the markers seen in deep sleep or anesthesia, I think, but occur as brief lapses during otherwise normal wakefulness.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I think that happened to Justin Herbert three times in the last two minutes

of the game last night.

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[Joe Getty]

It happens more than you might think. People experience complete mental blankness about 16% of the time during simple tasks, nearly half as often as mind wandering. So I wonder if that varies person to person, that their mind just goes completely blank and with their drool coming out of their lips or what.

[Co-host/Commentator]

But I don't know that I drool very often, but my mind does go blank occasionally.

[Joe Getty]

So your brain shows opposite patterns for each of those two things. Mind wandering makes people faster and more impulsive. Their minds. Mind blanking slows responses and creates absences where people miscues entirely as if mentally checked out.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Well, like we've talked about many times, it's possible

that staring at your phone is going to be looked at the same way. We look at smoking now, and people look back and say, like we do now. Doctors used to recommend smoking take the edge off after a long day. How crazy is that? And maybe, you know, 20 years from now, looking.

People used to walk around, stare at their phone all the.

All day long without any limits, and nobody thought there was anything wrong with it.

How crazy is that?

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if people will start to look at it like you look at somebody who watches the View. There's a dullard with nothing else to do or think about.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

They're just taking in mental anesthesia till the day they die.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Or it'll be more like eating healthy. Where there are pocket cities, states, families where you, you, you exercise and eat better. And then pocket city states, families where you take in all the crap and everybody's overweight and out of shape.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Co-host/Commentator]

With smartphone usage.

[Joe Getty]

That one.

[Co-host/Commentator]

That one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator]

That's pretty interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I don't think.

I don't feel like we need any studies.

Our own lives.

My own life experience seems to make it pretty clear.

Unlike smoking. It'd be like if smoking. You smoked your first pack of cigarettes

and you got a tumor growing out of your neck. That's the way having smartphones is. It's like immediately I can't read books right.

[Joe Getty]

That's. That's why I'm such a zealot for it. What's happening in my own brain. I don't need anybody. I'm not trying to tell anybody how to live, but I'm just. And you and everybody else is just being honest about what they've observed in themselves. Just because a giant corporation thinks I ought to do something because they make more money if I do, doesn't mean I wanna. I'm not gonna eat it. I'm not gonna. Well, in some cases I am gonna eat it.

[Co-host/Commentator]

But we're talking aspirationally here.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not gonna eat it. I'm not gonna watch it. I'm not gonna stare at it just because it's been offered to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Neuroscientists revealing the first generation in history to be less intelligent than their parents.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I'm gonna lord this over my kids, Jen.

[Joe Getty]

I'm smarter than you. Gen Zers have become the first generation since records began to be less intelligent than their parents. These are averages, obviously. And at least one expert thinks he's uncovered the reason. Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath, a former teacher turned neuroscientist, blah, blah, blah, has revealed that Gen Z, which is generally recognized as you're born between 97 and 2010, have been cognitively stunted by their over reliance on digital technology in school. Since records have been kept on cognitive development in the late 1800s. Gen Z now officially the first ever score lower than the generation before them, declining in attention, memory, reading and math skills, problem solving and overall iq.

[Co-host/Commentator]

There ain't nobody on planet Earth that could argue with the attention part. I mean, come on.

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[Joe Getty]

And one might argue. And one would be me. So me might argue that if you don't have attention, memory, reading, math and problem solving abilities are going to suffer.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Attention's really the whole ball of wax

when it comes to learning.

[Joe Getty]

It's an excellent ball of wax, yes. Dr. Horvath told the US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation that Gen Z intelligence has dropped despite these teenagers and young adults spending more time in school than children did in the 20th century. The increase, or I'm sorry, the cause. And I've actually read some of this guy's stuff and I have found it very, very persuasive. It's directly tied to the increase in the amount of learning that's now carried out using what is called educational technology, or edtech, which includes computers and tablets, which first flooded schools when my kids were now in their latest 20s to early 30s. They were the first generation of kids.

[Co-host/Commentator]

It's all that now.

[Joe Getty]

It's entirely that the neuroscientist explained that this generation has fallen behind because the human brain was never wired to learn from short clips seen online and brief sentences. Reading brief sentences that sum up much larger books and complex ideas. Humans are biologically programmed to learn from other humans and from deep study. Not flipping through screens for bullet point summaries. He explained that humans evolved to learn best through real human interaction face to face. Added that screens disrupt the natural biological processes that build deep understanding, memory and focus.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I don't think this would be a problem if it was happening gradually over

a thousand years or a million years

maybe, but it's happening in like six months.

It went from the old way to the new way.

That's because we can't evolve to adjust.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Some of the neuroscience behind this is actually pretty interesting. I remember having a wow moment when, and I think we talked about this on the air, that they pointed out that if you read a book, book, as opposed to something you're scrolling through, you will have part of your memory is the physical location of that idea on the page. And I thought, oh my God, that's true. That is absolutely trying to remember something I've read. I find it geographically.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I can open up, I can open

up the book and get close to where it was and then eventually find it, whereas.

[Joe Getty]

And probably remember if it was toward the top or bottom of a page.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Whereas I'm reading Ulysses on Kindle and I'm almost done. I haven't got the slightest idea where anything is.

[Joe Getty]

You know, James Joyce was alive right now. He'd slap the Kindle right out of your hand. In the data for money.

[Co-host/Commentator]

James Joyce detail, you might not know.

Wow, I'll pay you back later, he'd say.

And then he wouldn't.

[Joe Getty]

You know, a lot of creative geniuses are bums.

[Co-host/Commentator]

They are, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

In the US Data from the National Association I'm sorry, Assessment, National Assessment of Educational Progress uncovered that when states roll out widespread one to one device programs, meaning each student gets their own device, scores often flattened or dropped quickly, centuries of data have shown that Gen Z has fallen off the path of constant human development. Horvath claimed that the doctor that many teens and young adults were unaware of their struggles and were actually proud of their alleged intelligence. Most of these young people are overconfident about how smart they are. The smarter people think they are noticed that the dumber they actually are, he told the Post.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Isn't that Dunning Kruger?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. What do kids do on computers in real life? They skim. So rather than determining what we what do we want our children to do and gearing education towards that, we're redefining education to better suit the tool that's not progress that surrender the other problem with it.

[Co-host/Commentator]

I don't know if this plays a role or not, but when I held a book in my hand, like if I had my science book at my desk when I was in eighth grade,

on the other side of that page

wasn't watching highlights from the basketball game or listening to my favorite album or pictures of naked girls or.

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All that wasn't on the other page

if I wanted to turn it.

Nope. All I had was my freaking 8th grade science book.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Right. I mean, because I struggle with that

every single night I want to read and then, you know, I grab my

phone, I'll just check this real quick. And then, oh, that kind of leads me to that.

I wonder what's going on with this.

And then next thing I know, I didn't read.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I've re embraced the physical book because I love, I love. I happen to be a Nook guy. But it's wonderful, like when you're traveling. Oh my gosh, I got half a dozen books I'm really excited to read. The Nook is wonderful.

[Co-host/Commentator]

As opposed to the physical book, you mean?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's wonderful in terms of convenience.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

God, I'd say, right? Because you could have half a dozen. Half a dozen books on vacation. Think, you know, I'm in the mood for something sciency and bingo, I'll read that.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Doesn't matter what light level you have.

[Joe Getty]

On the other hand. Yeah, that's true. That's super handy. On the other hand, I've re embraced physical books because there's something about their actual existence in the world as opposed to zeros and ones on a computer.

[Co-host/Commentator]

Well, why don't you just blacksmith your own horseshoes too?

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I don't know if I can explain it. And I don't think it's an old timey person thing, it's that that book is there and unless my house burns down, it will always be there.

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