The A&G Replay Monday Hour Two

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "The A&G Replay Monday Hour Two"

Episode Date: May 25, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer/Contributor: Katie Green
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This Memorial Day replay episode touches on a range of timely issues—state tax policy and migration trends, the future of work and society in an AI-driven world, viral parenting trends, technological surveillance, and AI’s adoption in Congress. The hosts keep a conversational, wry, and inquisitive tone, blending analysis, personal anecdotes, and moments of light-hearted banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tax Policy and American Migration Trends

[03:13 - 10:54]

• Theme: The ongoing “wealth transfer” from high-tax blue states (like California, New York, and Illinois) to low-tax red states (such as Texas, Florida, and South Carolina) via domestic migration.
• Observation: Blue states’ aggressive taxation and regulation are driving residents and income away.
  • Jack: “Over $2 trillion in income fled high tax blue states for low tax red states in just the last 11 years... Not happening on Wall Street, it’s happening on U-Hauls.” [04:00]
• Detailed data points:
  • New York lost $660B in earnings; California, $503B.
  • Texas and Florida continue to draw the most new residents; South Carolina fastest growing per capita.
• Political Commentary:
  • Noted resistance among blue state politicians to tax cuts; some push a narrative of “unpatriotic” emigration.
  • Jack recounts the Ken Griffin incident in NYC where public antagonism resulted in the billionaire relocating more company assets to Florida. [06:16]
• Geographic/Cultural Trends:
  • South Carolina as an example of smaller states becoming migration magnets and economic beneficiaries.

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2. The Future of Work, AI, and Social Structure Hypotheticals

[10:54 - 16:42]

• Thought Experiment: What happens if AI advances to a point where work becomes obsolete and everyone receives a universal basic income?
  • Joe: “If AI happens the way they predict it and nobody’s working and everybody’s got, you know, universal high income... you really could live wherever the hell you want.” [11:40]
• Impact on Society:
  • Speculation about population distribution, the persistence of scarcity, and shifting values around status and leisure.
  • Jack: “Scarcity will always exist... only one guy can live in the penthouse.” [12:09]
• Parenting Anxieties:
  • Raising teenagers in a future so uncertain renders traditional advice near-meaningless.
  • Joe: “What do you tell a kid to do? Study your something something or it might be a complete waste of time. And I mean a complete waste of time.” [15:10]
• Humor & Relatability:
  • Jokes about preparing for either a Mad Max dystopia or a “Valhalla” utopia: “Work on your foot speed and gun fighting skills…” [15:33]
  • Children dreaming of a future where ‘everybody gets a check and you just hang out with your friends.’ [15:53]

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3. Viral Parenting/Meme Trends: The “Jessica, Where Are You?” Phenomenon

[17:03 - 19:49]

• Cultural Observation:
  • Brief discussion of a viral TikTok trend where yelling “Jessica, where are you?” is said to abruptly interrupt a child’s tantrum.
  • Katie: “Apparently if your child is screaming... and you yell, ‘Jessica, where are you, Jessica?’ the child stops.”
• Speculation on Effectiveness:
  • The hosts surmise that it’s the unexpected interruption that resets the child’s focus.
  • Jack: “If you yell something nonsensical, it will... so change the set of the brain... that whole ‘I’m upset and I’m a kid so I’m yelling’ will become, ‘Wait, what was that?’” [17:54]
• Related Trends:
  • References to the “slice of cheese on the head” meme (both on toddlers and cats).

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4. Reflections on Parenting in Modern Times

[19:49 - 20:10]

• Sentiment:
  • Joe expresses admiration for parents managing the chaos of young children, suggesting immense but sometimes overlooked satisfaction in the role.
  • “Anytime I see a dad actively engaged in his child’s lives, it makes me so happy.” [20:03]

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5. Space, Technology, and the Moon Base Announcement

[23:27 - 24:29]

• NASA Updates:
  • The show quickly touches on NASA’s $20B investment in a moon base, pausing lunar space station plans, and pursuing a nuclear-powered Mars vehicle for launch by 2028.
• Cautious Optimism:
  • Jack is skeptical about the government’s ability to see these ambitious plans through, wagering that private industry (Elon Musk) might be the backup if public will falters.

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6. Technological Surveillance and Data Privacy

[25:05 - 30:58]

• Personal Anecdote:
  • Jack’s wife receives targeted ads for “Red Vanley” shorts after reading his shopping note, despite no online search—a pitch for the idea that phones or apps are listening in.
    • “She’s getting hammered on her cell phone. Every site she visits, Red Vanley ads. Come on, people.” [26:10]
• Possible Explanations & App Permissions:
  • Katie suggests open apps with microphone permissions (e.g., Facebook) pose a risk—even if not actively in use. [27:29]
  • “If you have apps open on your phone and you’ve enabled the camera microphone capability… it still has the ability to listen in the background.” [27:29]
• Cynicism toward Tech Companies:
  • Jack sarcastically doubts big tech denials: “They just lie and they lie and they lie...” [29:23]
  • Frustration over growing digital spam and lack of legal enforcement; Joe jokes about “drone strikes” on robocallers. [31:09]

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7. AI Adoption in Congress

[31:22 - 34:24]

• Research Spotlight:
  • Study shows AI is being used widely in Congress—up to 25% of documents in the Congressional Record now AI-generated, with certain members/staff more “hip” than others.
    • “Adoption has been substantial...7% of floor speeches, 30% of remarks.” [33:07]
• Concerns About Congress and AI:
  • Joe voices concern about older legislators’ tech illiteracy: “I’m more concerned with the ancient senator... who says AI is a bunch of crap, hasn't spent any time looking into it...” [33:13]
• Cultural Note:
  • Jack: If I weren’t in “the downward coasting phase of my career, I’d be using the hell out of it.” [34:06]

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8. Cybersecurity: College Student Thwarts Massive Attack

[37:49 - 44:45]

• Story Recap:
  • Rochester Institute of Technology student Benjamin Brundage helps crack a major hacking operation involving the assembly of powerful botnets using compromised devices—enough to cripple countries’ internet.
• Highlight:
  • The student ingeniously uses memes and casual chat to coax a leaker into sharing critical info, directly helping authorities avert a cyber disaster.
  • “His savvy, his emotional intelligence is what really impressed me about this.” [41:22]
• Context:
  • The “Kimwolf” network used residential proxies to build a botnet of unprecedented scale, launching DDoS attacks likened to “the combined populations of the UK, Germany, and Spain all simultaneously typing a website address.” [43:18]
• Final Note:
  • Hosts underscore the growing cyber risk and the importance of digital literacy.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Wealth Migration:
  • Jack: "This is the biggest wealth transfer in American history. Not happening on Wall Street, it’s happening on U-Hauls.” [04:00]
• On Parenting Satisfaction:
  • Joe: “You have no idea the satisfaction you get out of that if you’re childless and you look at that as a hassle.” [20:03]
• On Tech Surveillance:
  • Jack: “She’s getting hammered on her cell phone. Every site she visits, Red Vanley ads. Come on, people. And I’m Mr. Don’t Leap to conclusions. I’m leaping on that conclusion and I'm beating it with both my little fists.” [26:10]
• On AI, Work, and the Unpredictable Future:
  • Joe: “What do you tell a kid to do? Study your something something or it might be a complete waste of time. And I mean a complete waste of time.” [15:10]
• On Congress and AI:
  • Joe: “I’m more concerned with the ancient senator or House member who says AI is a bunch of crap, hasn’t spent any time looking into it...” [33:13]
• On Cybersecurity Talent:
  • Jack: "His savvy, his emotional intelligence is what really impressed me about this." [41:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• State Tax Policy & Migration: 03:13 – 10:54
• AI and the Future of Work Society: 10:54 – 16:42
• Viral Parenting Trend “Jessica, Where Are You?”: 17:03 – 19:49
• NASA Moon Base & Mars Vehicle News: 23:27 – 24:29
• Tech Surveillance and Targeted Ads: 25:05 – 30:58
• AI Adoption in Congress: 31:22 – 34:24
• Cybersecurity Heroism: 37:49 – 44:45

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Tone & Takeaways

Armstrong & Getty blend scrutiny with sarcasm and concern, offering listeners both sharp critique and playful curiosity. The episode explores intersecting anxieties about economics, technology, privacy, and cultural shifts—always with a dose of candor and humor.

For Listeners: If you want a finger on the pulse of American anxieties—economic migration, the coming AI revolution, digital privacy, new parenting tricks, and the hazards of both Congress and cybercrime—this episode delivers smart, broad-ranging conversation with an accessible, relatable style.

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong, Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, we're taking the day off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Honoring those who served on this Memorial Day. But this is an Armstrong and Getty

[Jack Armstrong]

replay from Lexington and Concord. To the folks standing up to Iran right now, we owe so much to the folks who've sacrificed everything for our freedom. Think of them, won't you? Amidst the fun and frivolity of and enjoy this Armstrong egiddy replay. Michael, get the get the Price is Right clip ready for us for a little couple of moments from now gonna be talking about money. And this is, you know, I was trying to describe or trying to figure out how to present this. And it occurred to me as I'm walking back to the studio that this is either so obvious to you, you can't understand why it would have to be explained or you can't accept it at all. To me, explaining how a lot of blue states had made it so difficult to conduct business and taxed people of high earning levels so aggressively that they're leaving and they're losing revenue, it's like somebody said to me, you know, I had a friend and I like to punch him in the face randomly and sometimes, sometimes I'd poke his eyes and I really enjoyed that. And now he won't call me back. It's like, of course not. Well, here's a financial guru commenting. This is the biggest wealth transfer in American history. Not happening on Wall street, it's happening on u hauls. Over $2 trillion in income fled high tax blue states for low tax red states in just the last 11 years. Essentially the Trump and Biden years. And the blue state solution, he points out, is to raise taxes again. But it's really quite stunning. The 31 Trump states have gained $2.2 billion in earner revenue, just earnings. And the Harris states, including D.C. have lost just short of $2 billion. In fairness, there are few blue states like Colorado, Washington, Oregon that have gained a little bit of income, partly because a lot of folks are fleeing California to those states because they like the west coast or the west in general and they think, well, it's probably less bad. But yeah, I mean, you've got the five worst. Maryland lost 120 billion. This is small print and I'm old. New Jersey lost 212 billion. Illinois, 399 billion in earnings. California, 503 billion. And New York. New York, Donnie, $660 billion. And a lot of that is backloaded toward more recently.

[Joe Getty]

And that's why you got the governor, I guess, talking about how it's unpatriotic to not stay and pay your taxes, which is one of the craziest theories I've ever heard.

[Jack Armstrong]

And her one bizarro statement that, Yotta, you want to help your country in New York, go Palm beach and drag people back. How would that work exactly? But a couple at least. Well, just recently, a billionaire. Bigwigs. If you're into finance, you probably know the names. Ken Griffin, Mark Rowan. They're taking thousands of jobs out of the Big Apple and moving out as, quote, a direct consequence of Mayorman Donnie's tax the rich antics. And there are serious fears in New York that a big money exodus is on the way. Mamdani poked Griffin. You may recall this. He did a video outside Griffin's place in New York in midtown. He used it as a backdrop to drum up support for a proposed tax on luxury second homes in the city and actually named Griffin and everything. An appalled Griffin first threatened to scrap a big giant development on Park Avenue, then told CNBC on Tuesday that the creepy video spurred him to expand his firm's hub in Florida. Quote, we will add far more jobs in Miami over the next decade as an immediate and direct consequence of the mayor's poor decision here with respect to his posting of that video and his blah, blah, blah. Many New York leaders, including Governor Hochul, have publicly and privately warned Mandani's rabble rousing is going to cause even more and more of this. So I won't bother with the other guy's story, but it's thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in revenue which can be taxed there.

[Joe Getty]

So we've all heard the joke proposition, thought experiment, whatever it is, where, how about we divide into two countries, you know, the conservatives and the socialists are the people on the left. And we'll see how we're all doing in 10 years. Looks like we're maybe kind of trying that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because the, the, the blue states people are leaving. Not only are they high tax, they're high services. And how are you going to pay for those right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And enormous pension liabilities? And when those evil birds come home to roost, what are they gonna do? Raise taxes again on the quote, unquote rich? You need to pay their fair share. Finally, you can find anybody a couple of Interesting stats. Texas and Florida continue to draw the largest number of new residents. But South Carolina, where I spend a great deal of my time, is growing faster than any other state as a percentage of as more Americans continue to relocate across the country. This is all according to IRS data. Broad shift toward the South. You've heard about that. As Americans say they're making the move for lower taxes, more jobs, higher quality of life. South Carolina saw the biggest influx per capita, equal to just over 1% of its population in. What's the time period of that? Surely that can't be a year.

[Joe Getty]

And the worst thing is if you. I want to discover some place that doesn't ever catch on because I've been places before that catch on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then everybody comes and ruins it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, that does.

[Joe Getty]

Californians come and want to change the laws for some weird reason.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't remember the Idaho. Oh, my God, yeah. Don't California, my Idaho slash Colorado, slash Texas, for what it's worth. Back to that first chart. South Cackalack, which is not a huge state. But with the influx of residents, they gained more than 29,000 new tax filers and roughly $4.1 billion in income for a smallish state. And they mentioned this shift is likely to boost local economies in the state as new residents bring spending power and help fill open jobs and growing industry, not to mention tax revenue. Texas and Florida are big, so they're much. So they're the number one terms of sheer people. But Texas led with oh, these are 20, 23, which is last numbers that the IRS has ready 56,473 new residents, followed by Florida with 55,000 or so. The gains come as some of the nation's most expensive states, which are run by Democrats, are seeing the biggest losses. California is down more than 100,000 tax filers. Not people, tax filers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a good way to count tax filers as opposed to if you're growing through illegal immigration or whatever else

[Jack Armstrong]

in New York by nearly 72,000 tax filers, as South Carolina, for instance, gained 29,000.

[Joe Getty]

You know, a topic I haven't heard anybody bring up. So we thought when Covid hit and a lot of people went zoom and there was some belief there for a while that that might be permanent, that people would be able to move wherever they wanted, at least out of urban centers and that sort of stuff might restructure everything. That didn't work out because so many places have decided, nah, we like it better when you're here at Work and all that sort of stuff. But if AI happens the way they predict it and nobody's working and everybody's got, you know, universal high income or whatever, and you just don't have a job flat at all, wonder what that will do to the distribution of people around the country. I mean, if you not, not only do you not have a zoom job, you don't have a job at all, you really could live wherever the hell you want.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wonder what that will do to society.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, this gets back to our thought experiment of a couple of weeks ago about what would a, an economy look like if there's no scarcity. But of course they're not making more land, as they say. You can develop land, but I mean, so everybody would want to live in San Diego, right? I mean, because it would probably come down to climate and scenery and recreation and that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. When people choose different stuff, I guess. True enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if it gets too crowded, the pleasure drops, right? And if it gets too expensive, I mean, you just. Scarcity will always exist when it comes to, you know, only one guy can live in the penthouse at the top of a building. Right?

[Joe Getty]

So I just, I've never heard anybody even brush up against this topic.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if, if everybody, you know, maybe I should hit my, my AI with this instead of the other thing I asked it, which was what would an economy with no scarcity look like? And the thing was like, dude, you're blowing my mind. If Everybody made grossed $1 million a year, you'd have to make 2 million to gross. A million roughly. But if everybody just got a million dollars a year, where would you live? What would the housing market look like?

[Joe Getty]

Wouldn't they start charging $150,000 for a car though? Because everybody has so much money and

[Jack Armstrong]

who's going to build it? Dude's like, f you, I'm not building your house. I got a million dollars a year. Well, right.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, robots, yes. But I mean, okay, so I don't know, maybe, you know, we were talking about South Carolina or like we, we love this Sierra Nevada, the beautiful mountains of Northern California. We, we had a place for a long time in the Gray Eagle area, which is beautiful. It's up in, it's sparsely populated Yuba county if you want to Google it. But if everybody could afford to build like a home with an unbelievable view there, it would no longer be it.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would be a completely different place. So, I mean, choked with traffic, the idea of some of those little mountain towns being, you know, like, don't go, honey, it's rush hour. It'll take an hour to get across town. What does that look like?

[Katie Green]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I don't understand how this works.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, neither does anybody else, but we got to beat China. It's all I know. Damn Chinese. Has there ever been less certainty about what five years looked like the middle of World War II?

[Joe Getty]

I don't even think then.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nah, I don't even know what fascist regimes look like. I mean, if you're a Jew in the middle of World War II, you might be, you know, pretty nervous about it. But.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and we, and we, you know, the, the. The free world recognized pretty early on we're gonna win. It's just gonna take a long time and it's gonna be ugly.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

So. No, I don't think there's ever been a period of history where. And not like completely restructure society.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

In a way you can't even imagine where you're having these kind of stoner conversations. I just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. Because. Yeah. My idiotic grasping for an example. You had an idea what housing would be the middle of World War II.

[Joe Getty]

I got a 14 year old and a 16 year old. My 14 year old 5 years will be 19. We have no idea what the world's gonna look like. What do you tell a kid to do? Study your something something or it might be a complete waste of time. And I mean a complete waste of time. Does you know value whatsoever to learn the things you're learning?

[Jack Armstrong]

Work on your foot speed and gun fighting skills. Might be right for the coming utopia, the Mad Max utopia. Or it's going to be Valhalla and everybody's going to be happy just sitting around strumming guitars and writing poetry. For whom? Nobody wants to hear it. Everybody's writing poetry. If everybody's a poet, no one's a poet.

[Joe Getty]

My youngest has interest and wants to do stuff, but my eldest said, I'm just going to party all the time. It's going to be awesome. So he's just looking forward to it. He's going to. He's hoping he's going to get out of high school and be a year or two away from the. Everybody gets a check and you just hang out with your friends. What are you doing today? Going to the beach or the forest or wherever you live.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mountains, whatever you do. Bar.

[Joe Getty]

Going to the pool. Going to the bar every day for the rest of your life. Yeah, maybe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fifth of Hennessy sounds great. Signed Jimi Hendrix. Say that to him. He'll be like, what? Who?

[Joe Getty]

Wow. How about sounds great. Jimmy Buffett. Who did it his whole life, Jimmy

[Jack Armstrong]

Buffett worked like a fiend.

[Joe Getty]

He's walking around barefoot, drinking margaritas.

[Jack Armstrong]

He pretended to be that it was all a lie.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Jessica, where are you?

[Joe Getty]

Jessica? Now, Katie, can you explain what that was?

[Katie Green]

It's this trend going around on Tik Tok where apparently if your child is screaming and having a fit and you yell, jessica, where are you, Jessica? The child stops now.

[Joe Getty]

And I assume obviously they don't need to be named Jessica for this to work. In theory.

[Katie Green]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

So is it just something, well, just yelling. Would yelling anything work? Is that the trick here? Or is there something about the sounds, Jessica, that are more startling and ear grabbing than other sounds?

[Katie Green]

Zero. Sign it, Jack. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's the Internet. Nobody will be talking about this by four in the afternoon. That is an interesting question.

[Joe Getty]

Just yelling anything might be the thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

It seems to me I've heard a different version of this where if you yell something nonsensical, it will so change the set of the brain. Just the which neurons are firing that the whole I'm upset and I'm a kid so I'm yelling will become. Wait, what was that? What?

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And it just.

[Jack Armstrong]

It interrupts the neurological flow. I'm making up terms as I go here and.

[Joe Getty]

Is that when you throw the slice of cheese on their head?

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Katie Green]

Oh, that one needs to come back.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was great. Exactly. Well, that's. It's the same thing.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jessica, where are you? Jessica? Is the new slice of cheese on that?

[Katie Green]

I'm not condoning any. If the animals don't like it, don't mess with them. But have you seen what they started doing that to cats with the slice of cheese? No, the cats just like stop and freak out.

[Joe Getty]

I would freak out. Did you just throw a slice of cheese on my head?

[Katie Green]

It's like the craft stuff that's super sticky.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know how to react to this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Precisely. Yeah, you know, you stop what you're doing.

[Katie Green]

I had a cheese trend.

[Joe Getty]

I had a moment yesterday. You'll be this soon enough, Katie. Okay, as Katie. Katie Green is with child. If you're new to the show. I was coming out of the gym and there was a. Coming into the gym and there was a mom coming out and she had a stroller with like a little kid and then she's holding another kid's hand, she's got the bag over her shoulder, she's trying to hold her bag full of stuff and get the kid out and the kid is like distracted and pushed. And for whatever reason, I just love moms or dads parents doing the deal. Just watching them just like, because that is such a hassle and I just love people doing that. I just, I think it's fantastic that there are still enough people that are willing to do that and do it willingly and get so much satisfaction out of just doing the deal of being a parent.

[Katie Green]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And, and I really, I realize it might be because I'd been listening to a podcast of people that were childless and all that sort of. You have no idea the satisfaction you get out of that if you're childless and you look at that as a hassle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anytime I see a dad actively engaged in his child's lives, it makes me so happy.

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The Armstrong and Getty Show

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NASA plans to invest approximately $20 billion over the next seven years to build a base on the moon through dozens of missions. The agency announced it was pausing plans to develop a space station to orbit the moon and would redirect some of those resources to the lunar base. Among the other projects, a brand new nuclear powered Mars vehicle that NASA hopes to launch by 2028. The Mars mission would put nuclear electric propulsion technology to use in space for the first time.

[Joe Getty]

A moon base. Okay, that'll be exciting.

[Jack Armstrong]

That nuclear powered vehicle. How many miles per neutron? The future, Jack. It lies before us.

[Joe Getty]

Thank you for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder how much of this stuff actually gets achieved. I assume it all will like the Mars stuff. You think? Yeah, yeah. I just wonder whether humankind, the United States and specifically will retain the will and means to do it Well, I

[Joe Getty]

think Elon will do it privately if the. Even if the government doesn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, it could be. Could be. I'm interested. I'm not. I have no position on it. I just wonder. So, speaking of technology, here's my hallmark. I have several hallmarks. Accuracy, yelling at the staff. Yeah, hallmarks. One of. Shut up. One of those. One of them is, I'm. One of my jihads is that evidence is not proof that individual pieces of evidence can be misleading or incomplete or, or, you know, you know, you're lacking the counter evidence. And so everybody wants to leap to conclusions all the time. I try very hard not to do that.

[Joe Getty]

Such a time saver.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, this is, this is just beyond proof.

[Joe Getty]

Between stereotypes and leaping to conclusions over little evidence. Saves me so much. Frees me up for all my other hobbies.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, stereotypes are a time saver. Anyway, I'm. I'm shopping for golf wear a couple of months ago, number of months ago. And this friend says, oh, you got to try these shorts. Really nice shorts. Love them. I won't bother you with why, but

[Joe Getty]

they're super great waist, two leg holes, the whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And a fly. Yes, you've seen them. Anyway, so I really, really like them. And the weather's starting to get warm again, so I think, yeah, I'm going to get a couple more pair of these shorts. And I had jotted a note down to myself to ask our local golf shop, you know, can you get me this color? And Judy sees this note on the kitchen counter and she says, and I'm going to make up the brand or I'll just tell you, because otherwise, yell

[Joe Getty]

at me, you're wearing Lululemon shorts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't want to repeat the infamous potato chip incident. So it's. It's red. Red Vanley. It's all one word. Red Vanley. I don't know if it's word and I don't care a name or I don't care, but. So she said, what is this? I said, oh, Red Vanley shorts. Those are the, like, the pull on shorts that I like so much. I was going to get a couple more pair. And she said, oh, okay. An hour later, she's getting hammered on her cell phone. Every site she visits, Red Vanly ads. Come on, people. And I'm Mr. Don't Leap to conclusions. I'm leaping on that conclusion and I'm beating it with both my little fists. All right, it's just clear what's going on here.

[Joe Getty]

So what do you Think listened to you and. And then started targeting you with advertising. Your phone, your refrigerator, your toaster, your tv. All the things with listening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, see, that's the interesting part. We don't have smart anything except for like the TVs. And we have almost exclusively Apple devices for our hardware, like laptops and iPads and stuff like that. She is occasionally on Facebook. Was the Facebook app open and buried in the fine print? Katie, talk to me.

[Katie Green]

That's it. So if you have apps open on your phone and you've enabled the camera

[Joe Getty]

microphone capability, probably more likely didn't disable the camera microphone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you. Right out.

[Katie Green]

Okay, well, there's that. But if you leave the app open, it still has the ability to listen in the background.

[Joe Getty]

You're telling me somewhere in the 87 pages of agreements on Facebook, it says, by the way, we get to listen through your microphone.

[Katie Green]

It could be, it can be any app that in the. You know. Sure, 87 pages.

[Jack Armstrong]

We would never use that technology to target ads, which is our entire monetary stream. No, it's merely so you can utilize Alexa more, more readily.

[Katie Green]

That's why as soon as I'm done using an app, I close it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Came across. Came across this. That's good practice. Alexa, stop recording me. A new anti surveillance device is blowing up on social media, promising to stop digital recorders in their tracks. But this guy's trying to figure out if it actually work. 90 second video on X. A young be spectacled woman with a charming German accent speaks to the camera about Spectre 1, the first smart device that stops unwanted audio recordings from happening around you. The young woman happens to be the product's inventor. She found herself unexpectedly in the eye of the latest technology hype hurricane. So this guy goes into whether it actually works or not.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Won't this be a never ending race between the I've got a listening device that can't be tracked and the trackers?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. I don't know enough about the technology. I don't know if you can get around this technology or if it, if it even works. But do you remember all the times we talked about this and all the big tech companies said, no, we're not listening to you?

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh my God. They just lie and they lie and they lie.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they get caught on a regular basis and then they say, oh, okay, that was a mistake. I remember when Tesla got caught, they were looking at people with their cameras.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, this thing runs $1,200. Yikes.

[Joe Getty]

How often am I worried about somebody recording Me? Probably not a lot.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I mean, I still like those shorts just fine. So if I'm getting ads for them, it's great, but I only have one ass. I can't buy 50 pair of shorts. I don't need them.

[Joe Getty]

Well, sure. Anyway, shorts makes more sense than, like, refrigerators, lawnmowers, lots of different things that you buy once every 15 years. God, I've got one of those. I don't remember what it is that just keeps hitting me with the ads. I'll never need to buy that again. Who can I tell that I'll never need to buy that again? So you stop sending me those ads?

[Katie Green]

Well, no, this is all reminding me also of the Nancy Guthrie case, how she had unsubscribed from her house cameras, and then the more footage just came out last week.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they got.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and on the. Your point, Jack, I now, and I'm sure I'm not the only one I have. I'm getting spammed more than I was like, two months ago. And I thought it was, like, at some sort of outer limit. I get phone spammed, oh, half a dozen to ten times a day. And it's always the same thing about. I'm calling to call a report on the progress of your business loan, or I'm. I'm calling to see if I can help you with your business loan, or blah, blah, blah. And it appears to be randomly generated phone numbers because I block them and I block them and I block them and I block them, and it doesn't do any good.

[Joe Getty]

We got to get some laws passed on that. I don't know how you square that with the First Amendment.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, we got laws. You can't enforce them.

[Joe Getty]

That's the problem.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, these are offshore servers.

[Joe Getty]

Drone strike.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait a minute. Now you're talking. Let me get Pete Hegseth on the line. Secretary Pete, Joe here. I would love that.

[Joe Getty]

Find out where they are and make them glow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep, yep. Back to the stone age. That's what I say. One final kind of tech AI note. I thought this was merely kind of fun and interesting. This guy, Nicholas Decker, who writes about tech, did a bunch of research and looked at other research on who uses AI in Congress. He put like, the entire Congressional Record and. Which has, like, everything that happens in front of Congress through AI detectors. And he said, well, he's asking, how has AI been adopted by members of Congress? What effect, if any, has it had on the ideological content of legislation? What effect has it had on the rhetoric? Has it made them more Productive. And can we attribute adoption to the members or their staff? In brief, it has been widely adopted, but without any impact on actual policy outcomes, as far as they can tell. And I don't know, I actually am looking at who uses it the most more as an expression of, okay, these people and. Or their staffers are kind of hip to technology and the rest of it. Not that it's an indictment or anything, but number one, and they don't have the first name. Owens from Utah and Cuellar in Texas, Jackson in Illinois, Hernandez. It's funny. The first is a report about the

[Joe Getty]

people that aren't, which shows that they have no interest in what's going on in the world. That's about to be the most important topic on Earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the top 10 is a Republican. Then I think it's six Democrats. Then Republican, Republican, Democrat. Anyway, adoption has been substantial in the past three months of the 119th Congress. Fully 25% of documents in the Congressional Record are AI generated.

[Joe Getty]

No, it'll be all of them soon, probably.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Speeches especially are being cranked out by AI.

[Joe Getty]

I'm more concerned with the ancient senator or House member who says AI is a bunch of crap, hasn't spent any time looking into it, and has no interest in any of it. Yeah, which is how we're going to get overrun by AI robots.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's see. Floor speeches, 7% AI extension of remarks, whatever that is. I don't even know what that is. 30%. A much higher adoption in the House than the Senate, which you might expect because the House is much younger than the Senate. Although the staff ought to be hip to this stuff. Although the grumbling old senator you portrayed so convincingly a moment or two ago might be telling its staff, don't bother.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Anyway, just mildly interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Why would anybody write a resume in the modern world and not just have AI do it for you? Or lots of things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah. If I wasn't in the downward coasting phase of my career, I'd be using the hell out of it.

[Joe Getty]

The one foot in the grave phase of your career.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. And one toe on the other foot.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, wow. You put the other foot in there now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just a toe. But I got 1.2 foots in the grave.

[Joe Getty]

That's a moment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's be honest. When that's when that second foot creeps a little closer and you got one. That's right. That is a moment.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So this is an interesting story. A college student who stopped a massive, massive computer disaster. Hack hackers. Hackers. I hate hackers. Has to do with residential proxy networks. And there are dozens of companies around the world that run these networks that are made up of your phones, computers, video players. Their processing power is. Sometimes you sign up for this many, many times you don't. Is used like in the dark of the night by res proxy companies that rent out access to Internet connections on the devices to customers who want to look like they're surfing the Internet from a genuine home address. But it's abused like crazy around the world. So you want that anonymity. It's useful for people who want privacy or for companies that want to masquerade as regular people to test out Internet features, for instance, for a particular region or scrape the web for data. AI companies use the networks to get around blocks on automated traffic so they can gather large amounts of data to train their models. And then there are customers who want to hide their identity because they're ticket scalping, defrauding banks, calling in bomb threats, stalking, child exploitation, hacking, or espionage. So, in other words, it can be legit, but it is just abused like crazy by really evil. So, so that primer aside. Or do you say primer, you got this college student at the Rochester Institute of Technology in Rochester, New York, Benjamin Brundage. It sounds like a character in a movie. Really does. He was closing in on a mystery that even seasoned Internet investigators had left them baffled. And a cat meme helped him crack the case. So a network of hacked devices was launching the biggest cyber attacks ever seen on the Internet. Biggest one ever. It had become the most powerful cyber weapon ever assembled, large enough to knock a state or even a small country offline. And investigators didn't know exactly who had built it or how. And Brundage, who's a tech student and A computer whiz had been following the attacks too, between classes and was conducting his own investigation. And in September, the. The college senior started messaging online with an anonymous user who seemed to have more knowledge than a person ought to have about the attack.

[Joe Getty]

As they go ahead, you're close to getting to a portion where you could just start quacking or barking and I would understand it as well. What's going on here?

[Jack Armstrong]

We need a young person to explain this story to Jack, stat. Okay, so anyway, college kid's aware of this giant super cyber attack and is intrigued. I want to know how they did it too, or how they were about to do it. So he's chatting on Discord with a bunch of, you know, hackers and programmers and computer whizzes, and he comes across a guy, you see, or a human who. Wait a minute, how does he know that? Brundage started to think, but he didn't want to come. He wanted more information because he thought, I'm on something. But he didn't want to come off as too serious, so he shut down the conversation. Then every now and then, he'd send a funny gif to lighten the mood, including a cat's owner adjusting a necktie on a cat.

[Joe Getty]

That's hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

This guy's this Brundage chap. His savvy, his emotional intelligence is what really impressed me about this.

[Joe Getty]

He'd think, a cat with a necktie.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know these are odd times. Cats are so formal, but if, if things were starting to get serious, he'd say, yeah, I gotta go. He'd cut it off. Then he'd send a cat freaking gift for Jeff. Brundage was fluent in the memes, jokes and technical jargon, jargon popular with young gamers and hackers who are extremely online. He says, quote, it was just a bit of just asking over and over again, then being like a bit unserious. At one point, he asked for some technical details. He followed up with a cat meme, a six second clip that showed a hand adjusting a necktie on a fluffy gray cat. Brundage didn't expect it to work, but he got the information. It took me by surprise. He said, did the cat have a

[Joe Getty]

wedding to go to?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not clear to me, but the cat is wearing both the black necktie and a white collar. Eventually, the leaker hinted that there was a new vulnerability on the Internet. Brundage, who is 22, would learn it threatened tens of millions of consumers, as much as a quarter of the world's corporations. As he unraveled the mystery, impressed veteran researchers with his findings, including federal law enforcement, which took action against the network. A couple of weeks ago. A researcher at a giant computer company that does this sort of thing joked at one point that the entire Internet could go down if Brundage spent too much time studying for his exams.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Savvy is that kid.

[Joe Getty]

Someday the whole Internet's going to go down. Or all of airline, you know, a major, major attack somewhere in the world, all over the world. And it might be China. Or as Trump famously said, some 300 pound guy in his basement just knows how to do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Especially given the nature of this, the, the, the joining together of the devices that I was talking about, the residential, what you call was a couple of years ago that Nokia's sensors had picked up a series of increasingly powerful cyber attack devices that hadn't previously been considered dangerous, called distributed Denial of service or DDoS attacks. We've all heard of those. I think there were massive floods of junk Internet data designed to knock websites offline by overwhelming the data pipes that connected them, sometimes launched by extortionists or even business rivals. But Nokia saw hundreds of thousands of devices joining in these attacks. One unprecedented attack later in the year on Internet service provider Cloud Fair was, quote, comparable to the combined populations of the uk, Germany and Spain, all simultaneously typing a website address and then hitting enter at the same second. Wow. The network, which would become known as Kimwolf, which sounds like an anime cartoon for adolescent girls, seemed to be using residential proxy connections to launch its attacks, giving it the potential to do massive damage. The basic message was be afraid, said one computer expert. It's the Armstrong and Getty show. Armstrong and Getty.

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