A B?! She's Graduated To A C!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "A B?! She's Graduated To A C!"
Date: October 9, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Brief Overview

This episode focuses primarily on the landmark Middle East peace deal brokered by Donald Trump between Israel, Hamas, and various Arab states. Jack and Joe discuss the unprecedented bipartisan praise for Trump, the mechanics and aftermath of the peace deal, the shifting attitudes in Gaza, and the roles of personal business relationships in international diplomacy. Other topics include a rapid-fire look at national headlines, media coverage critique, and some lighthearted banter about mortality and current events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Trump-Brokered Middle East Peace Deal

a. Unprecedented Praise for Trump

• Both hosts marvel at the rare sight of mainstream media and even staunch Trump critics giving him unmitigated credit for the peace deal.

• Jack reflects on the evolution of Trump’s reputation:

  “I mean, the people that just can't with a gun to their head say anything, even semi-neutral, about Donald Trump. They hate him so much, praising him like crazy today. It's wild.” (01:58, Jack)

• Joe points out that Trump's bold, norm-defying approach was pivotal:

  “Trump's boldness, which borders on, grows into recklessness sometimes, absolutely...the unwillingness to really do anything, try anything bold, ruffle any feathers, break any eggs, that's characterized a lot of American foreign policy for a long time. We've finally seen the contrast and what a robust foreign policy looks like.” (02:25, Joe)

b. Deal Mechanics & Reactions

• Main points of the deal:

  • All living hostages held by Hamas to be released (expected 20 alive, [21:41, Joe])
  • Israel to release Palestinian prisoners in exchange (upwards of 2,000, [12:41, Jack])
  • Israeli Defense Forces withdraw from parts of Gaza ([22:15, Joe])
  • Rafah crossing with Egypt to open for humanitarian aid ([23:04, Joe])

• Jack describes the outpouring of joy:

  “To see people dancing in the streets in Gaza and Tel Aviv over this thing...that's just stunning.” (05:01, Jack)

• The hosts stress the “beginning” nature of the deal:

  “Well, yeah, okay. But that's the way everything in life works...but you gotta start somewhere. And this is the best start that has happened in, I don't know, maybe ever, given the pressure coming from the Arab states.” (09:06, Jack; 09:18, Joe)

c. Hostages & The Human Cost

• Discuss stories of hostages’ families and the trauma they've endured.
• Jack:

  “Imagine how hard it is to sit across a table from [Hamas] and sign something, or shake hands, or say thanks...But what was my point I was going to make? Oh, so David Ignatius with all his sources is saying he has zero doubt the hostages are going to be returned...” (07:41, Jack)

d. Arab States’ New Stance

• Jack explains how pressure from Arab countries and loss of support for Hamas marked a sea change:

  “It's never happened before where they look around like, does anybody support us anymore? No, nobody supports you anymore. Including...the Gazans.” (05:22, Jack)

• Key point: Arab regimes may now view Islamic fundamentalists as more trouble than they're worth ([29:32, Joe]).

2. The Role of Personal Relationships and Business in Diplomacy

• Hosts dissect the role Trump's and Jared Kushner's business ties played:

  “The reason Trump could get the Arab states on board...is partially because of all the personal business deals he and Jared have done...But that allowed them to build all these relationships...with all these people.” (09:25, Jack)

• Joe makes a parallel with government-business mingling in other administrations, acknowledging its ethical complexity but practical impact ([10:13, Joe]).

3. Media, Public Perception, and Political Irony

a. Media Coverage

• Joe and Jack critique "left-leaning" analysis and highlight the broader media’s begrudging approval of Trump’s efforts.
• They reference a radio appearance by a pro-Hamas academic on NPR and note Al Jazeera's internal editorial moderation under Qatari government pressure ([26:49–27:26, Joe]).

b. Partisanship & Political Mirror Moments

• The conversation explores the notion that even Trump’s most ardent critics can't deny this achievement without appearing delusional or unhinged:

  “It's like if...Trump cured cancer, Democrats would come out pro-cancer. And to...be, you know, cynical or dismissive of this is damn close to that.” (20:47, Joe)

4. Challenges Ahead

• The hosts stress this deal is the start, not the finish, with huge challenges:
  • Ensuring Hamas disarms (which the hosts doubt)
  • Preventing released prisoners from rejoining militant ranks ([12:43, Jack])
  • Figuring out governance in Gaza ("Who the hell's gonna govern Gaza?” 24:25, Jack)
• Skepticism about international peacekeeping (“useless blue helmets of the UN” 24:49, Joe)

5. Lighter Segments & Memorable Banter

a. Rapid-fire News Headlines ([15:09–18:29])

• Katie Green brings up stories from the bird flu’s return to TikTok’s dangers and Florida bars livestreaming patrons.
• Lighthearted riffing on abstaining from alcohol:

  “June drink out of a spoon, then you got August angel dust and then no, no, no. Sober October.” (16:44, Joe)

b. Humor & Dark Self-Reflection

• The hosts joke about mortality and depression, referencing a listener’s criticism:

  “We got a text the other day from someone who said, I've been listening for 10 years. You're the most depressing today you've ever.” (38:11, Jack)

• “We'll try not to be the darkest show in America, perhaps the entire Western hemisphere." (38:23, Joe)

c. “Mailbag” and Trump Memes ([34:02–37:30])

• Listener letters compare media reactions to Trump to outlandish satire (“Trump cures cancer; protestors demand cancer back” [36:04, Joe])
• Suggestion: rename ICE to “NICE” just to mess with political rhetoric ([36:39, Joe]).

d. Local/California Politics

• Jokes about California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter and satirical news from Babylon Bee:

  “She's a C. Are you kidding? She's graduated from B school and is...she's a monster. Worse than we thought.” (18:20, Joe)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Trump's boldness, which borders on grows into recklessness sometimes, absolutely is...what a robust foreign policy looks like.” — Joe Getty (02:25)
• “Sometimes it brings amazing things nobody thought could happen that are good, and sometimes it's horrible.” — Jack Armstrong (03:45)
• “He does not care what other people think.” — Jack Armstrong (04:07)
• “We are the only media outlet in Gaza talking to people on the ground...No, Hamas doesn't care about us. They've been ruining our lives for 17 years. We're done with them.” — Jack Armstrong (05:34)
• “To see people dancing in the streets in Gaza and Tel Aviv over this thing...that's just stunning.” — Jack Armstrong (05:01)
• “This is the best start that has happened in, I don’t know, maybe ever, given the pressure coming from the Arab states.” — Joe Getty (09:18)
• “The reason Trump could get the Arab states on board...is all the personal business deals he and Jared have done...they’ve got him on their favorites list, sort of relationships with all these people.” — Jack Armstrong (09:25)
• “What a lesson for life or something: the arc of this is the awful thing that was October 7, two years and two days ago, led to this...” — Jack Armstrong (10:59)
• “There is just no question that we who cherish life are at a disadvantage in that sort of negotiation with people who don’t give a damn, who are anxious for martyrdom.” — Joe Getty (13:23)
• “Damn close to the joke that if Trump cured cancer, Democrats would come out pro-cancer.” — Joe Getty (20:47)
• “Who the hell’s gonna govern Gaza? ...somebody’s got to keep picking up the garbage and be the police force...” — Jack Armstrong (24:25)
• “Qatar is carrying out a purge at Al Jazeera and the network has started to focus more on humanitarian situation in Gaza, instead of praising and boasting about the actions of Hamas...” — Joe Getty (27:26)
• “Islamism isn’t going anywhere. But ... a lot of the hardest core Islamic...lunatics exist in this uneasy alliance with regimes that run their countries. And if those regimes...start to think, you know, these crazy bastards are more trouble than they're worth...” — Joe Getty (29:01)
• “We'll try not to be the darkest show in America, perhaps the entire Western hemisphere.” — Joe Getty (38:23)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• 00:45 – 06:11: Opening banter, Trump & Netanyahu, introducing peace deal topic
• 06:31 – 11:24: Hostages and leverage; hostages' families and the reality on the ground
• 12:32 – 14:03: Parameters of prisoner exchange and earlier deals
• 15:09 – 18:29: Katie Green's news headlines
• 19:34 – 21:41: Guest drops in (likely Trump clip); breakdown of the phase one deal
• 22:07 – 24:25: Deal mechanics: prisoner lists, military withdrawal, humanitarian aid
• 24:25 – 29:34: Governance of Gaza, media critique, leverage of business relationships
• 29:49 – 31:08: Changing Mideast and European dynamics; renaissance/reversal in Arab regimes
• 31:42 – 34:02: Show banter, teasers for other stories, baseball
• 34:02 – 38:42: Mailbag: listener letters on Trump, memes, and show mood
• 38:42 – end: Closing banter

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode is a rare, cautiously optimistic appraisal of a major world event with Trump at the center.
• It acknowledges both the historic nature and fragility of the peace deal, credits Trump’s unconventional style, and examines how personal ties and hard-nosed negotiation drove results.
• The hosts maintain their trademark mix of irreverence, skepticism, and sharp observation, offering a welcome synthesis of world news with bracing honesty and humor.

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“It’s amazing...Trump’s biggest detractors are saying, got to give him credit on this one.” — Jack Armstrong (21:01)

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Listeners come away with an understanding of the deal’s significance, complexity, and unresolved issues—plus a healthy dose of Armstrong & Getty’s wit and realism.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Producer/Announcer]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's I'm Strong and Getty live from Studio C, senor, a dimly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.

[Joe Getty]

Here we are on Little Friday and.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'Re working under the tutelage of our.

[Joe Getty]

General manager, Donald J. Trump and the art of the peace deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Booyah.

[Joe Getty]

Special consideration also given to Benjamin Netanyahu, the bad cop, without whom the good cop would not have had a chance.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think that's the way it worked? Or was Trump the bad cop, putting pressure on Netanyahu?

[Joe Getty]

Maybe they switched back in fort no, no, I don't think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think they're switches. They're like people who are into that whole domination, submission, sexual thing, their switches?

[Joe Getty]

Flip a coin maybe. Yeah. I don't know. No, you know, there's, there's absolutely been some of that. I think he has been wrangling both sides in his way. My point was mostly because I've come across a couple of just useless, left leaning pieces of analysis that said, yeah, it's a great deal. Get the hostages back. Why did it take so long? Oh, come on, you know, does, did Trump get, deserve that much credit? Why didn't Netanyahu.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man, were you, are you doom scrolling? I have taken in so much media today. I'm, I've, I've, I don't think Trump has gotten this much praise.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's true.

[Jack Armstrong]

From the mainstream media ever. I mean, it's just amazing. It's absolutely amazing. I was thinking about the day after January 6th to today and the arc of Donald Trump. I mean the, the, the people that just can't with a gun to their head say anything, even semi neutral, about Donald Trump. They hate him so much, praising him like crazy today. It's wild.

[Joe Getty]

It is wild and it's deserved too. And I've been thinking a lot about the contrast between Trump and for instance, Joe Biden and you know, Obama and others and Republicans for that matter. But Trump's boldness, which borders on grows into recklessness sometimes, absolutely is. And I'm not saying this to kick Joe Biden, who has one foot in the grave and will be recorded as one of the worst presidents ever and deserves it without my trying, but the unwillingness to really do anything, try anything bold, ruffle any feathers, break any eggs, that's characterized a lot of American foreign policy for a long time. We've finally seen the contrast and what a robust foreign policy looks like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I saw Ian Bremmer, who very seldom has anything positive to say. David Ignatius of the Washington Post, both, both specifically naming Biden, saying, Biden couldn't do this. Right.

[Joe Getty]

And God forbid, Kamala Harris. Can you imagine?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, another, another. So that's the most interesting thing about Donald Trump is, you know, his, his, his, his worst, his own, his worst enemy on planet Earth is him. It always has been.

[Joe Getty]

Not even close.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, and the fact that, like you said, boldness becomes recklessness. The other thing is the willing to defy norms. I mean, sometimes it brings amazing things that nobody thought could happen that are good, and sometimes it's horrible.

[Joe Getty]

So, yeah, what's the opposite of picking your spots or picking your battles? That's Trump. Yeah, but chaos.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he, this might be the main thing that he's got going for him. And also it makes it difficult for his life. He does not care what other people think.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to do what I think is the best thing. Well, right.

[Joe Getty]

And he would, I'd imagine, in the midst of these negotiations, say, no, The Qataris have to say this to, you know, who Hamas and advisors or learned men and women would say, well, President Trump, traditionally the Qataris. And he'd be like, I don't care. No, he was, tell him that he.

[Jack Armstrong]

Didn'T do anything throughout this peace process where he was thinking, I wonder what the people at the Cato Institute are going to write about this. Right.

[Joe Getty]

What is, what is the conventional wisdom? Been here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it is absolutely amazing. And to see people dancing in the streets in Gaza and Tel Aviv over this thing.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, that's just stunning.

[Joe Getty]

It's an amazing achievement. Well, it's, it's the beginning of an amazing achievement. Fingers crossed, you know, our lips to God's ears.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I hope it works. I really, really hope it works. It'd be so good for so many people.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. And the problem is Hamas.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is. But as many people following this closely have pointed out, from Tom Friedman of the Washington Post to everybody, it's the pressure because of the deals Trump's made with all these Arab people, the pressure that Arab countries have been putting on Hamas. That's just been. It's never happened before where they look around like, does anybody support us anymore? No, nobody supports you anymore. Including. And we're gonna have a clip of this later. The Gazans. I just saw a report on News Nation. They had a reporter embedded in Gaza. They were saying this is an exclusive. We are the only media outlet in Gaza talking to people on the ground and asking them about Hamas. And they were every person they talked to. No, Hamas doesn't care about us. They've been ruining our lives for 17 years. We're done with them. So Hamas might have looked around and had zero support from anybody.

[Joe Getty]

All they have left is terror and the force of arms. And so, you know, a key part of this deal is Hamas dismiss, disarming. And I don't see that happening. So it might just be, you know, the international folks and Palestinians and Israel joined together and hunting down the last of them. I don't know what that's going to look like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Safer. Zakaria, I think is a smart thinker on CNN last night said once they get back to hostages, which is going to happen on Monday, I guess, or Trump says by Monday, which I was kind of surprised I saw. I always quote David Ignatius because I know he's got tremendous sources inside of White Houses, in the Pentagon. So he, you know, he gets information with those people. He said, I have zero doubt the hostages are going to be returned. I thought, wow, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know. So I thought he, he's got some reason to believe that. Anyway, you know, I'm just, just a quick note.

[Joe Getty]

I happen to hear an interview with the brother of one of the believed to be living hostages and he was explaining it was heartbreaking that they don't dare tell his daughters.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, I can, I can understand that.

[Joe Getty]

That their dad, who they barely remember because they're at this point, they're four and two years old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. No, I, I, I wouldn't tell them either. I wouldn't tell them. What's the point?

[Joe Getty]

Because there have been too many heartbreaks and, and, and, and nightmares and what.

[Jack Armstrong]

Condition is he going to be in?

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right. Which is having been tortured and starved like all of the hostages by these inhuman monsters now for two years.

[Jack Armstrong]

They are inhuman monsters. And imagine how hard it is to sit across a table from them and sign something or shake hands or say thanks or whatever you'd have to do. But what was my point I was going to make? Oh, so David Ignatius with all his sources is saying he has zero doubt the hostages are going to be returned. And then I said, Solver Fareed Zakari on CNN say once Hamas gives up the hostages, they have zero leverage. That's their only leverage they've got on Planet Earth is those hostages. And that'll be gone as of Monday.

[Joe Getty]

And then they Just have to trust in an amnesty. And Trump raining Netanyahu, I guess. But that's why Trump doesn't. I'm sorry. That's why Hamas doesn't want to disarm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Fighting that tooth and nail.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. But you know, and I understand why everybody says this is just the beginning. Well, yeah, okay. But that's the way everything in life works. Have a baby. Yeah. Okay. You're enjoying having a baby. But this is just the beginning. Yeah, I know. I know. It's just the beginning.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, yeah. Well, I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and it'll take it.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know if that was aimed at me or not.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, but just as a. An immediately dismissive. I mean, if you don't.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no. Skepticism is not dismissiveness.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you don't understand it's only the beginning. You are a. I mean, that's true. That's what I'm saying about the baby thing. It's like stating the unbelievably obvious. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

The peace in the Middle east for all time was not declared last night and is going to be solid, of course. But you got to start somewhere. And this is the best start that has happened in, I don't know, maybe.

[Joe Getty]

Ever, given the pressure coming from the Arab states. Yeah, I would agree.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I thought this was interesting. The idea that the reason Trump could get the Arab states on board the way he did is partially because of all the personal business deals he and Jared have done with all these Arab countries that a lot of people are fairly uncomfortable with, given, you know, in the presidency, out of the presidency, back in the presidency. But that allowed them to build all these relationships where they've got him, you know, they've got, you know, first name basis. Got them on the cell phone. You're on my favorites list, sort of relationships with all these people.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. That's fascinating. It really got to teach that in political science classes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Because you've. You've done big, multi. Billion dollar deals with Jared and these other people. You trust them and know them.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And a lot of it honestly Bidenesque in its mingling of government and commerce.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's no denying that. Definitely. But it might just be in history is always more complicated than people want it to be. But this might be a key element of the whole thing.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. It reminds me in a weird way of how the mob in New York especially, would keep crime off the streets in the neighborhoods it controlled. Some of what it did was not good, but it could reach out and stop bad people. From doing bad things. And though I don't approve of the commingling of government and business, although it's happening all the time anyway, there is absolutely no question that what you said was true.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a lesson for life or something that the arc of this is the awful thing that was October 7, two years and two days ago, led to this. Yeah. That's what was the energy to get here, you know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. What does this look like a year or two from now? I'm so interested. I hope I got to start taking care of myself so I find out. Because if so, if dead enders, if.

[Jack Armstrong]

There wasn't peace in the Middle east, you're just going to let yourself go and maybe die pretty much within 24 months.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the trend I'm on. Please. But if. Because there. There are two real paths this might go down. Number one was the, you know, inevitable hiccups. The peace deal works pretty much and continues down the road. It seems to be on possibility. Number two is that it doesn't. And with the full blessing of the United States of America, Israel finishes the job. Well, maybe either way, Hamas and its, you know, the Iranian proxies are dead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, maybe the full blessing of Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Egypt also. Do you think we could get the hostages back and still kill Hamas?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, or render them irrelevant. That's the goal. It's not going to be easy, but yeah, that's the goal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you know, another part of this that is damned interesting is to get the. How many hostages are there dead and alive? 20.

[Joe Getty]

20 alive and 20 some dead.

[Jack Armstrong]

They believe they're giving back 2000 terrorists that Israel has locked up. 2000 basically Hamas warriors or Hamas adjacent warriors that they're going to get back. And you remember that Sinwar bastard that started this whole thing that was the orchestrator of the October 7th and died in that rubble throwing a new rocket. That drone, that guy, he was one of the prisoners who got let out last time they had to do a big deal. I mean the people that they let out are bad guys who can go on to do bad things. So me interesting to see how that plays out.

[Joe Getty]

There is just no question that we who cherish life are at a disadvantage in that sort of negotiation with people who don't give a damn, who are anxious for martyrdom.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got to start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is Thursday, October 9, year 2025, where Armstrong and Gideon we approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

Let's begin then. Officially According to FCC rules, regs at Mark the hostages will come back.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're coming all coming back on Monday. That was Trump on the speakerphone in Israel when the announcement happened. And people were cheering just like they were cheering in Gaza, which is quite amazing. Oh, we got Katie's headlines on the way. We'll get to those.

[Producer/Announcer]

Stay here, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Running a little late.

[Joe Getty]

Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie, take it away.

[Katie Green]

All right, the Washington Post. Israelis and Palestinians celebrate Gaz cease fire deal that would release the hostages.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, everybody's got to be happy in all ends if this actually ends the hostilities.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we'll give you the big provisions of the deal next segment, I'm guessing, or certainly in the next half hour or so.

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal. Russian drones turn the streets of Kherson into a civilian kill zone. Another really big strike.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're trying to terrorize civilians by murdering them one or two at a time. With the drone strikes, grenading civilians getting out of their cars at stores. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

From NBC. After a summer break, bird flu is back as waterfowl migrate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy. Oh, I thought I had it last year, remember?

[Joe Getty]

I do remember. That's chilling. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

From the BBC, China's TikTok is recommending porn to children.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Where is the TikTok deal? Where is that? Somehow I lost track of that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wait a minute. Wasn't there something was going to happen Monday three weeks ago or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't remember.

[Katie Green]

From USA Today. Sober October is the new dry January and more people are trying it.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is it just because it rhymes?

[Joe Getty]

I think so.

[Katie Green]

I totally think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, has he got any particular reason that you go drinkless in October and January?

[Joe Getty]

Or is it just rhyme? June drink out of a spoon, then you got August angel dust and then no, no, no. Sober October. Shut up. Either drink or don't, but don't tell me about it. And I don't care what your diet is either.

[Katie Green]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh that's a great idea.

[Katie Green]

I tuned into this and it is hysterical.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a great idea.

[Joe Getty]

Oh no, it's too good an idea. People are going to tune out of the show to go do that. Just give me the the link from.

[Katie Green]

Study finds poor sleep can make your brain age faster.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know I'm doing that to myself.

[Katie Green]

The National Enquirer Nearly half of United States homes harbor hidden mold making them sick.

[Joe Getty]

I doubt it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having been through this, there is so much money to be made on if they can find one molecule of mold.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and I have two questions. Who goes to the National Enquirer for their Science News? And 2 the National Enquirer still exists.

[Jack Armstrong]

Those are both good points.

[Katie Green]

And finally, from the Babylon be Authorities warn Katie Porter has grown to 600ft and is currently rampaging through San Francisco.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, we got more Katie Porter stuff going. Boy, she's really become an Internet sensation. That's the leading Democrat for governor in California who turns out to be a B. Oh, she's.

[Joe Getty]

She's a C. Are you kidding? She's graduated from B school and is. Oh please. She's a monster. Worse than we thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's funny.

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[Guest Speaker]

The whole world came together, to be honest, so many countries that you wouldn't have even thought of, and they came together. The world has come together around this deal. And that's something I would say that without. That wouldn't happen. It's been really an amazing period of time and so great for Israel, so great for Muslims, for the Arab countries, and so great for this country, for the United States of America, and that we could be involved in, you know, making a deal like this happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, the politics of it don't matter, at least for today. But why do you think the crowd that hates Trump so much or even were in love with this peace deal as soon as it arrived a week ago and are so happy about it today and so positive on Trump? Is it because he leaned on Israel so hard?

[Joe Getty]

I just think the goodness of it, the positive aspects of it are impossible to ignore. I mean, you would have to engage in some serious, serious delusion, really. Not to say, hey, this is a chance at something really good happening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

It's like if, you know, it's damn close to the joke that if Trump cured cancer, Democrats would come out pro cancer. And to, to, to be, you know, cynical or dismissive of this is damn close to that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. But I mean, it's, it's amazing. I mean, Trump's biggest detractors are saying, got to give him credit on this one.

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, absolutely. And my God, if our politics were so far gone that they couldn't. I mean, it's even worse than I thought it is. Anyway, major aspects of the first phase of the deal, which apparently has been agreed to, is all living hostages held by Hamas are to be released. Trump said on Monday 48 hostages, 20 believed to be alive. The bodies of hostages who have died are to be handed over later. It said it would need at least 10 days to locate the bodies of dead hostages, according to people close to the talks.

[Jack Armstrong]

God. And you're. And just imagine dealing with Hamas and biting your tongue. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, how about the fact that the head Hamas negotiator was the guy Israel tried to drop a bomb on his head? What was that a couple of weeks ago?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really? That they missed and, and they got his son.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. So on both sides. Can you imagine? Yeah, well, that's, that's why that's almost.

[Jack Armstrong]

Always the way it is at the end of a war, though, you know, and then you have the Germans and the French sit down. It's hard to imagine either one of them being in the same room together.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Let's see another aspect of this. Israel will release Palestinian prisoners. Israel's expected to release 200 once all the hostages are returned. Israel is expected to release 250 Palestinians who are in Israeli prisons and 1700 who have been killed, detained in Gaza during the conflict. They're finalizing who is on that list and who's not. And Hamas is pushing to get as many of the big name guys, the worst guys, released as possible, including Marwan Barghouti, who Israel jailed over his role in the Palestinian uprising in the early 2000. Kind of a celeb over there. They got posters of him and such. Also part of the deal, Israeli Defense Forces will withdraw from 70% of the enclave. The deal includes a map of the withdrawal lines, but without exact locations or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Coordinates, the enclave being Gaza.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Well, they want.

[Jack Armstrong]

They don't want to be there.

[Joe Getty]

So the final lines, the final preliminary lines are still under discussion, apparently. And finally, the Rafa crossing with Egypt will open to facilitate humanitarian aid and allow for the entry and exit of Palestinians. But of course, the dirty little secret of the Middle east is ain't nobody wants them. Egypt doesn't want any Palestinians. Jordan doesn't want any Palestinians. Syria, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, man, the rockets stop coming in from Israel and the troops aren't on the ground and food starts flowing in. Yeah, the average Gazan is going to be pretty happy with that.

[Joe Getty]

So when all of that happens, what are the always angry eternal omni. Cause college kids gonna be screeching about in the streets? Good one. Back to carving up healthy children and turning them into transsexuals or what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Good one. Or is there an angle of this that they're pointing out? It's as horrible. Somehow I haven't heard from that crowd in the last 24 hours.

[Joe Getty]

You know, a good representation of that crowd is actually. How quickly can I find this? Stand by, everybody. Oh, that's a good one. As a.

[Jack Armstrong]

As a guy who just finds this sort of stuff very interesting, the whole who the hell's gonna govern Gaza thing is gonna be really something to follow. Somebody's got to keep picking up the garbage and be the police force and blah, blah, blah. All the things that are, you know, civil society. And who's that gonna be?

[Joe Getty]

Right. And, you know, not to be cynical, but anytime you hear the term international peacekeeping force. Keep in mind the useless blue helmets of the UN who have, you know, a couple of modes. Number one, do nothing. Number two, rape your women and girls and steal. So anyway, that's going to be tough. But I found the thing I wanted to mention a couple of and it's a couple of media notes, but they're, you know, dancing the same steps as the always angry college children who really ought to shut up and study because they don't have nearly the life experience to be going around telling the world how it ought to run itself. Anyway. A NPR the other day interviewed a human rights lawyer about the prospects for the peace proposal. Diana Boo to, who was described as a Harvard University lecturer and a human rights lawyer, was also a big Hamas supporter. Wow. Called October 7th a great thing. What'd she call it, one of your, you know, fighting against the oppressor or whatever. And she said she complained that Palestinians in Hamas are expected to make any concessions at all to end the war. Quote. I think the bigger issue is why is it that Palestinians had to negotiate an end to genocide. NPR described her as a human rights lawyer and former Palestinian peace negotiator. She was a PLO apparatchik and a Hamas supporter. And also speaking of the media, good old Al Jazeera, Qatar financed Muslim Brotherhood run Islamist Al Jazeera. It's so weird. We're friends with the Qataris anyway. Cutter facing pressure from Trump has pushed its Hamas linked news outlet Al Jazeera to reduce incitement to terror throughout the Middle east. Israel's Channel 12 journalist Amit Segal reported. And you have to remember Al Jazeera has like a different newsroom for different parts of the world. The Al Jazeera US is quite a bit more careful than say the Middle East Al Jazeera. But this Israeli news journalist report he asks what's going on at Al Jazeera. If you go onto its website, you'll see relatively mild news items as opposed to the incitement that is usually prominent on the Qatari propaganda network. Qatar is carrying out a purge at Al Jazeera and the network has started to focus more on the humanitarian situation in Gaza, quote. Instead of praising and boasting about the actions of Hamas's military wing.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what Trump is saying behind closed doors to his closest friends. This is what he believes about the world at his core and he's very close to right when it comes down to it. People want to make money. That's the driving force and that's what may have brought all of this together is the personal deals he and Jared and his family have been doing with all these Arab countries and the Qatar thing, you were just saying when it got down to it, there's rich people that want to get richer. Yeah, that's what they want more than anything else.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and this has always been true, but I believe Trump is a little more nakedly frank about the silver or lead deal that they talk about the cartels offering. You know, officials in Mexico, for instance, he went to the cutteries and he said, look, you can either make a crapload of money or I'll let Israel go nuts. So let's talk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And often, you know, that sort of transaction is dressed up in fancy Sunday go to meeting clothes in democracy and people try to pretend it's not happening. But I think Trump just probably at this point, especially in this conflict, said, look, yeah, he's got a couple of choices.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not much different an offer than Pablo Salazar would have given you. That was Escobar. Escobar. Pablo Escobar gave you. You want to get rich or you want to die. Those are your two options. Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah, yeah. But this is in the name of peace. Now, Islamism isn't going anywhere. But as Jack, you know, I'm not telling you this, but a lot of the hardest core Islamic supremacist, expansionist lunatics exist in this uneasy alliance with the regimes that run their countries. And if the regimes that run their countries start to think, you know, these crazy bastards are more trouble than they're.

[Jack Armstrong]

Worth, I think they're thinking that, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That could really, you know, be at least a step in the right direction for, you know, resisting the expansion of fundamentalist Islam around the world. Unfortunately, countries in Europe have already let so many of those people in, man, they're. They got a problem.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting. Wouldn't that be something that at the same time that Great Britain, France, Germany, these countries start to become, or have already become beholden to their Islamists, that Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Qatar and places like this think we've had enough of this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You could easily see a situation where MBS and Qatar are saying, a Muslim Brotherhood. No, no, no more. And Keir Starmer saying, we must beware of Islamophobia.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep, you're absolutely right. Wow, what an interesting point in history.

[Joe Getty]

Durr.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Woof. I'm reduced. Animal noises. This is. Oh, like I say, I gotta start working out and put the bottle down because I really want to see how this all plays out. I love that finding out how peace.

[Jack Armstrong]

In the Middle east plays out as a recent Frida exercise. And stop drinking.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the backstory is Judy was out last night. She had din and went to a show with friends and I was at home watching playoff baseball after I watched my newses. Welcome back baseball. Oh, night Yankees. Yeah. And they're just. There may have been some liquid refreshment. Well, I watched Happy as can be Phillies.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dodgers was a good game.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I didn't see that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that was good. The best thing. And Dodgers had a chance to wrap it up and they lost. So now it's 2:1 Dodgers. But my favorite thing about baseball is when you bring in your ace in middle relief because you feel like you got to and that's what.

[Joe Getty]

That's what they did. All the chips are on the table. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That stuff is awesome.

[Joe Getty]

I watch the Cubbies cling to life and the Yankees get vanquished. Oof.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have got mailbag on the way and so much news we haven't got to that scumbag that started the Palisades fire that they arrested. The backstory on him is sure interesting. Among other things. I hope he can stick around.

[Joe Getty]

The return of the sausages, the hostages.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So journalist Mark Halpern writing in his newsletter today that says the biggest story in the world today is a trade announcement. China made, not the Middle East. And if you don't know what that is, and you probably don't, stay tuned for hour two. It's pretty interesting. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, looking forward to that. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. Continuing the series on change. This from George Bernard Shaw. Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything. One of my favorite thinkers have made the point that if you don't have the capacity to change your mind, you're. You're a. You know, I don't expect to change my mind on certain principles.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the definition of an idiot. Yeah. Essentially, never change your mind. That's pretty good. That's pretty good, right?

[Joe Getty]

Right. At some point, the preponderance of evidence of something ought to be able to change your mind, depending. That's not to say you don't hold anything dear. I mean, uncompromisable.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you'd ever change your mind, it would be a statement that I am right about everything.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, always have been and always have it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who could say that?

[Joe Getty]

You say that out loud. It's. Well, Trump could say that. Actually, Trump was right about everything. Here's your mailbag. Trump is a no mailbag@armstrong egetty.com Speaking of the tangerine tornado. Oh, yeah, I gave the address. It's so road. At this point, I think. Oh, you forgot to give the address. While I'm giving the address. Mailbagarmstrongetti.com Breaking news. Rich writes. Breaking news. Hitler brokers peace deal between Hamas and Israel. Yeah, can we check back with everybody who's dropped an H bomb recently? Is he still Hitler? Just. Just checking.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then.

[Joe Getty]

This from rotor. Gentlemen, love your show as of September. I've been a listener for over 10 years. Wish I'd found you sooner. That's very kind of you to say. Thank you very much.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wish you had found us sooner.

[Joe Getty]

Also, 10 years is what the pot holders. Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You get Armstrong and Getty potholders and the mail Y.

[Joe Getty]

They're in the mail, so look forward to receiving them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Five years is the oven M right.

[Joe Getty]

Then the complete set of potholders. And then 20 years, of course, is the engraved pen set. Very nice. Mount Blanc is. Anyway, he writes, if Trump were my neighbor, I'm sure I wouldn't like him. He's arrogant, pompous, bossy, etc. Etc. Thank God he had the fortitude to survive the law fair and run for president a second time. Lesser men would have given up. He's the most transformative president in my lifetime and I've been alive since Truman. He's put America first, he's closed the border. He's trying to rein in excessive spending. Not hard enough, but I'll get back to your email. He's trying to bring peace to the Middle east, et cetera, et cetera. His energy and commitment to the presidency are amazing. That is true. His first term wasn't as productive because he had to fight the Russia collusion lies. Being new to politics, he listened too much to the go along to get along Republican establishment. I'm sure the end results will be mixed, but just imagine how awful it would be without his leadership at this time.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've got three years and three months left.

[Joe Getty]

That can't possibly be correct. Michael, check the mathematics. It's correct. I know John sent this along based on our conversation of only a few minutes ago. It's a meme. It's Trump in a hospital ward wearing the full doctor outfit, the stethoscope, the white lab coat, etc. And the capture. The headline is Trump cures cancer. Then the bottom half is angry protesters in the streets waving placards that say curing cancer is racist. We have the right to die from cancer and we want our cancer back. That's pretty accurate.

[Jack Armstrong]

We want our cancer back.

[Joe Getty]

The always dependable Marina from San Diego writes. Guys, there's another meme going around. Adam Carolla may have had this idea first, not sure. Uh, he told Gutfeld that Trump should change the name of ICE to nice, the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Then the Dems would have to condemn nice. They would call for abolishing nice. We hate nice. Get rid of nice. No more nice. And then this. It's criticism from our old friend JT in Livermore. Uh, first of all, he points out that one of us is having to disavow. I disavow much more than the other one. Perhaps someone is out of control here in the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are we disavowing?

[Joe Getty]

I'm often disavowing your insanity. Oh, you're outrageous.

[Jack Armstrong]

Things you say.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, terrible. All right, anyway, and then. Then he also says, we appreciate. He appreciates us not wanting the show to be too dark. But he is, he says. Which brings me to a certain member of the show who, as of late, has. Seems. Is seemingly obsessed with their impending demise. Said person is constantly bringing up the limited number of breaths, limited number of days, mentioning how they're in the winter of their life in general, seems to be obsessing over the mortality. That's what I see. I don't love being constantly reminded of my own mortality. In a way, Bubba, I love jocularity about. Okay, anyway, we got a text today.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got a text the other day from someone who said, I've been listening for 10 years. You're the most depressing today. You've ever.

[Joe Getty]

That is fair criticism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's not good. We got to find a way to break out of that.

[Joe Getty]

It's tough when the times are what they are. But we will try. We'll try not to be the darkest show in America, perhaps the entire Western hemisphere.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you missed a segment and you want the darkness, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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