A Divergence of Interests

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "A Divergence of Interests"

Date: August 5, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on political upheavals in Michigan’s Democratic primary, the radicalism of a newly-nominated Senate candidate, and broader reflections on extremism in contemporary politics. Armstrong and Getty pull no punches, dissecting both the local and national implications, linking them to global political trends and touching on the increasing strangeness (and dangers) of modern intellectual and academic thought. They’re joined briefly by Ross Douthat, who has just moved from the New York Times to 60 Minutes, and also discuss a viral academic proposal about giving children the vote.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Michigan Democratic Senate Nominee: A Radical Shift

(02:44 - 15:27)

• Opening Remarks: The hosts react to the primary win of El Said, who emerges as the Democratic nominee for US Senate in Michigan. They question why voters chose him — was it his stance on affordability and campaign finance, or radical and potentially antisemitic views?
• Quote:

  “Did he get voted in because he talks about affordability and getting big money out of politics, or did he cross the finish line because he hates Jews, which he... I think he does.” – Getty (02:44)

• Concerns About Associations:
  El Said’s public association with controversial influencer Hassan Piker and radical imams draws intense criticism.
  • Quote:

    “He was on stage the other night with Hassan Piker and they were talking about…murder white people in the streets. That’s how we get housing, for instance.” – Getty (05:15)

  • Connection to British politics: Muslim voting blocs, fear of using terms like “Islamist,” and what this signals about party strategy (07:17).
• Electoral Dynamics:
  Discussion of El Said being heavily outspent (11:1, with $30 million from AIPAC and pro-Israel groups), yet still winning, questioning what this says about the state Democratic party and voter priorities (10:01).
  • Quote:

    “$30 million and he won. Right? Right. Says something about him. And it says something about the primary system.” – Jack (10:23)

• Party Reaction & Tolerance:
  Getty and Jack debate if the Democratic establishment will back El Said or try to contain him, remarking on the party’s internal divide and referencing the UK Labour Party’s experiences (14:14).
  • Quote:

    “We got to get the seat. So we’ll get the seat. We’ll see if we can reign this guy in, and if not, we’ll kneecap him.” – Jack (09:47)

• Voter Turnout & Democracy:
  The hosts reflect on the impact of low turnout and the primaries effectively becoming the main event for candidate selection.
  • Quote:

    "Well, that's the election now. We haven't gotten that through our heads. The primary day is the election." – Getty (12:50)

• Unprecedented Radicalism:
  Both agree El Said is perhaps the most radical major-party Senate nominee in memory.
  • Quote:

    “I think he’s the most radical candidate for one of the two major parties in my lifetime.” – Getty (13:34)

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2. Longevity Oddities: Tech Billionaire Brian Johnson

(19:37 - 22:31)

• Longevity Enthusiasm Turning Absurd:
  Jack and Getty react with disbelief to news about Brian Johnson, a wealthy entrepreneur obsessed with anti-aging—reportedly transfusing his teenage son's blood and even claiming to have cloned himself for organ harvesting.
  • Quote:

    "He also claimed a week or so ago that he cloned himself as a newborn baby to harvest the organs." – Jack (21:10)

  • Quote:

    “Having babies to use their organs is not a thing.” – Getty (22:16)

• Social Commentary:
  They warn that as longevity projects proliferate among the ultra-rich, the stunts and obsessions will only get weirder.

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3. Academia & The Vote: The Case for Child Suffrage

(26:19 - 40:52)

• Ross Douthat’s New Role
  Ross Douthat, conservative columnist, leaves the NYT for 60 Minutes, sparking debate about media bias and a brief positive profile by the hosts (26:19–27:43).

• Samuel Moyne Interview Discussion
  Yale Law Professor Samuel Moyne, interviewed by Douthat, proposes “overweighting” young people’s votes or even letting youth cast "proxy" votes for children.

  • Quote (Moyne):

    "We consider overweighting the votes of younger people or assigning the youngest eligible voters proxy votes for the unrepresented children of our country...because there’s a divergence of interest between parents and children." (29:13)

  • Strong host reaction:
    • Jack: “There are some ideas so insane only an intellectual could have them. There is a Yale law professor saying that young people should get extra votes.” (31:35)
    • Getty: “Our education system is so out of control.” (31:58)
    • Jack: "Your career depends on you reinforcing your bull crap 100%...which if exposed to the real world for like a day would wither because it's crap." (39:19–40:09)

• Real-World Sarcasm:
  Jack and Getty suggest everyone let their kids run the household for a weekend as an experiment in "child supremacy." (40:41)

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4. Brief Interludes: Investing Emotionally & The Elon Musk Effect

(44:30 - 48:33)

• Jack’s Emotional Investment in SpaceX:
  Jack admits for the first time to "emotional investing," betting on SpaceX simply because he believes in Elon Musk’s vision.
• Tech Stock What-Ifs:
  Reflection on missed opportunities with Apple, Tesla, Nvidia, and Amazon, as examples of huge gains that come from spotting game-changing innovation early.
• Commentary on “The Tesla Divide”:
  How the perception of being a Tesla owner shifted from "liberal wuss" to "fascist" based on shifting public perceptions of Musk.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the radical Michigan nominee:

  “He’s got some radical points of view...he believes in killing white people in the street to make sure we get more housing for bipoc people and all sorts of stuff again. But odd as a landlord with properties in three countries.” – Getty (09:36)

• On the academic’s voting proposal:

  “Children have a better grasp of their needs and self interest than their parents do. Therefore, we should give the youngest people more votes.” – Jack (30:40)

• On academia vs. reality:

  “I feel like I'm listening to the rantings of a madman...He is completely divorced from reality.” – Jack (40:09)

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Time-Stamped Breakdown of Key Segments

| Segment | Start Time | Highlights | |------------------------------------------------------------------|:--------------:|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Michigan Democratic Primary Analysis | 02:44 | Radical nominee, concerns over extremism, party strategy, turnout issues | | Hassan Piker & Radical Influences | 05:14 | El Said’s associations, party accountability | | Primary System, Turnout, and Control of Parties | 12:26 | Shift from general elections to primaries as crucial battlegrounds | | "Most radical candidate" debate | 13:34 | Framing El Said as historically extreme | | Brian Johnson and Longevity Fads | 19:37 | Blood transfusions, cloning, obsession with youth, critiquing techno-elitism | | Ross Douthat’s Career Move & The Media | 26:19 | Douthat leaves NYT for 60 Minutes; media landscape discussion | | Samuel Moyne on Giving Children More Votes | 28:34 | Clip and breakdown of radical voting proposal, hosts’ incredulous reaction | | “Let your kids run the household” Sarcastic Experiment | 40:41 | Satirical suggestion for listeners | | Emotional Investing (SpaceX, Apple, Nvidia) | 44:30 | Jack’s emotional bet on Musk’s vision and reflections on missed tech investment booms | | Cultural Shifts in Tesla Ownership Perception | 47:27 | Humorous recounting of changing stereotypes | | Closing reflections on the dangers of populism, reason vs. mob | 48:04 | Discussion of “the voice of reason” and populist dangers |

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Tone & Style

Throughout the episode, Armstrong & Getty are sharp, sarcastic, and unfiltered, combining humor with a deep skepticism of both political parties and elite academic thought. Their exchanges frequently pivot from incredulity (especially at radical or bizarre proposals) to resigned, sometimes dark humor. The tone is colloquial and peppered with asides, but maintains a focus on deep cultural and institutional trends.

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Takeaways

• Political radicalism: The Democratic primary in Michigan represents a striking shift and showcases growing divides within party coalitions, with radical candidates able to win in low-turnout primaries even when massively outspent.
• Party pragmatism: Parties may prioritize victory over ideology, attempting to manage or even silence their most radical standard-bearers if necessary.
• Academia’s detachment: The segment on child suffrage serves as a jumping-off point for wider criticism: influential academics, far removed from everyday experience, pitch ideas the hosts find disconnected from any practical reality.
• Tech & wealth oddities: Extreme examples of wealth, health, and longevity obsessions highlight the sometimes grotesque lengths to which the ultra-rich and famous will go, prompting both ridicule and concern from the hosts.

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For listeners wanting the essence of this episode:
You’ll get hard-hitting, occasionally outrageous political commentary, a lens on how extremism seeps into institutions, and biting skepticism about the motives and realism of both politicians and scholars alike.

Transcript

[Armstrong]

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[Jack]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio

[Getty]

Studio at the George Washington Broadcast, Jack

[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty,

[Ross Douthat]

How

[Getty]

grateful I am for the opportunity to participate in democracy. My family immigrated to this country from a place where there is not democracy. You cannot just put your hand up and run. And the ability to do this, to have our voices heard, to select our leaders is. It is a gift that sometimes we take for granted. So to have participated means so much. Part of the i1 speech from El said today as they finally counted the votes there in Michigan. And he is going to be the Democratic nominee for the US Senate, running against Mike Rogers. Did he get voted in because he talks about affordability and getting big money out of politics, or did he cross the finish line because he hates Jews, which he. I think he does. And which of those two things is he going to emphasize now that the general election stuff has begun?

[Jack]

He's a savvy, savvy guy. I recognize the lauding of democracy as a good old technique of Islamists when they're out of power. Big, big fans of democracy till the minute they get power. Andrew Styles of the Free Beacon with a great headline, Al Said Socializes the Intifada. I thought that was pretty clever. That is pretty good masquerading as a socialist technique.

[Getty]

So we'll know today, maybe. Is he going to distance himself from this Hassan Piker character? If you were a Republican as tied to Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson as Elsa is to this Hassan Piker influencer character, you would have to answer for it until you finally disavowed them entirely. Every. You couldn't do an interview about anything anywhere until you disavowed. Do you believe Tucker Carlson is right that you know and go into whatever crazy belief. But El Sayad was on stage with Hassan Piker night before the election, two nights ago. On stage, holding hands in the air, cheering, stuff like that. This Hassan Piker guy is a crazy person. I mean, or he. I don't. I think he's a grifter. I think he's more of a Tucker. He's. I don't think he's crazy. I think he's figured out, okay, I understand how the world works now. You say crazy. Yes. And you become a gazillionaire. I'm gonna say crazy. Yes. For my side. But he says crazy ass man.

[Jack]

Right.

[Getty]

Murder white people in the streets. That's how we get housing, for instance.

[Jack]

Right. Yeah. And I would like to add to the list of things you ought to answer for the various radical imams that have lent him his. Their support that he's appeared on stage with hands held in the air people who have vowed to, you know, wipe out Israel, wipe out the Jews, 911 was a good thing, you know, that sort of thing. He has regular association and a good deal of his family does, does too, with organizations that have been branded by the State Department as terrorist organizations and terrorist supporting organizations.

[Getty]

He was on stage the other night with Hassan Piker and they were talking about with the crowd screaming in approval. Why does anyone still listen to James Carville? He said one smart thing once. So one of the most legendary strategists in Democratic politics history, but that was a long time ago. Bill Clinton ran on ending welfare for people who aren't willing to work. Bill Clinton ran on, I think capital punishment's a good idea. I mean, there's all kinds of examples, right? I mean that's, that's a long time ago. So the party's moved on from that by a lot. And. But the fact that that big break is occurring in one of the two major parties is again, is he going to do the classic tack toward the center, you know, cut off some of these crazy people that have got him the nomination, or is he going to double down? He seems like a double down guy to me.

[Jack]

That's a good question. I assume it'll be the former. He will tack toward the center and claim that anybody who claims, for instance, that he's an Islamist is a bigot.

[Getty]

Wouldn't you then wouldn't you have early if. So it ended up being a very, very close race. But nobody was predicting that. It was predicted that he was going to win by 10 to 15 points. So why are you on stage with Hassan Piker the night before the election if you're going to win by 15 points?

[Jack]

That's a really good question. That's a, that's totally legitimate point. This guy is clever and insidious. He is a socialist who happens to be well into the top 1% in Michigan. He owns rental properties. He's a landlord in three different countries, has a collection of luxury watches and is married to, as he pitches Medicaid for all, a rich psychiatrist who won't take Medicaid at all. And yet he gets over because he's very, very clever. This is a guy not to be underestimated. Oh, and one more thought about your A point you made just a couple seconds ago. This reminds me a great deal of situation in Great Britain. The Muslim vote in certain parts of Michigan is big enough and important enough that you do not use the I word if you can possibly avoid it. Islamist or anything like that it's, they're afraid of that voting block. I would love to see, I almost don't need to see what percentage of Muslims in Michigan voted for this guy. And what does that tell you?

[Getty]

Well, he's got some pretty. To call him controversial is not even right. Un American.

[Jack]

Radical.

[Getty]

Radical. There you go. He's got some radical points of view. And so I watched Mark Halperin's live newscast last night after the votes were starting to come in, and that the mainstream Democrat that he ran against. What was her name again? I forgot her name, but she apparently knew she was going to lose. And you know, they have their own county voting and they know all that sort of stuff. So she was, she was. The people inside the room were reporting basically that it was over and they knew she was going to lose. And so she went on stage and she did not, she, she did the. We're going to come together and stop a Trump nominee. Mike Rogers and Mark Halperin said that's a big deal because there was a chance that the Democratic Party, she and Chuck Schumer, who backed her, and Gretchen Whitmer, the governor who backed her and everybody else was going to say, we can't elect this guy. He is, he is too far out there. He's anti Israel. He believes in killing white people in the street to make sure we get more housing for bipoc people and all

[Jack]

sorts of stuff again. But odd as a landlord with properties in three countries.

[Getty]

But she did not do that. She said, we're gonna come together and defeat Mike Rogers. So that gives you an idea where things are going.

[Jack]

Yeah, I think you can't underestimate what mobsters these people are. I think they are thinking, look, we got to get the seat. So we'll get the seat. We'll see if we can reign this guy in, and if not, we'll kneecap him.

[Getty]

It's.

[Jack]

We want the seat.

[Getty]

It's really an astounding win if you haven't been following this closely. He was outspent 11 to 1, 12 to 1, 62 million against him and 30 million coming from AIPAC and various other pro Israel lobbies who are really worried about this guy getting in the US Senate. $30 million and he won.

[Jack]

Right? Right. Says something about him. And it says something about the primary system. Hey, as long as we're on the topic, Michael, give US clip number 65. This is Hassan Piker, recently.

[Getty]

Poor people that they can, they, they can afford housing in Berkeley.

[Jack]

I don't know how.

[Getty]

Well, my understanding is that the property owners who have properties there choose just not to rent it at all.

[Ashley Iconetti]

Yeah.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Kill them.

[Getty]

Kill those mothers and murder those mothers in the street. Let the streets, Let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods. He was on stage. He was on stage with that guy the night before the election.

[Jack]

How.

[Getty]

It's not question numbers 1 through 10. To what extent is this guy going to have no contact with you going forward anytime he's interviewed? I don't know.

[Jack]

I mean, we're up against an utterly biased media and an utterly blind media, too utterly politically correct. It's, it's, it's not good.

[Getty]

They pushed him some on Morning Joe this morning on msnbc. I watched it. I mean, they didn't, they, they didn't treat him like if she had won the mainstream Democrat where it would just be a congratulations. So what's your message for making sure Donald Trump doesn't continue to be a dictator? They pushed him on lots of stuff, but not as pointed to Leah as I would like. But he did say, he said on MSNBC this morning, this El Said guy, he said Netanyahu is a bloodthirsty killer. Oh, my God. That's a hell of a thing to say for the Democratic Party. That used to be the party of the Jews.

[Jack]

Yeah. Bernie Sanders has actually denounced one of the imams that endorsed El Sayed just a couple of days ago as being just way out there and too dangerous. But El Sayed is still buddies with him. So again, if, if, you know, again, we got to remind ourselves the number of people who vote in primaries, even, even hotly contested, highly publicized primaries, is discouragingly small.

[Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack]

In fact, was it Charles C.W. cook or one of the guys at the National Review made the point the other day, if you don't like the primary system, I mean, we could completely restructure it as political parties. They could do that or turn out, everybody, vote in the primaries, everybody pay attention and show up and vote for sane people.

[Getty]

Well, that's the election now. We haven't gotten that through our heads. The primary day is the election.

[Jack]

Yes. Well said.

[Getty]

And it didn't used to be.

[Jack]

Right. If you don't want to be handed a pile of crap to vote for on the actual election day and think, oh, my God, I'm supposed to be excited about this. You've got to participate in the primaries.

[Getty]

Yeah. Total. I don't know what the total ended up being, but when I went to bed last night, it was like 5:50 to 5:50. So about a half a million Votes each there in Michigan. That's not a ton of votes.

[Jack]

No, no, indeed.

[Getty]

For picking a guy this radical.

[Jack]

That's pretty decent turnout actually for a primary, but it's still very, very low. And I haven't heard anybody else say this.

[Getty]

I think it's true. I think he's the most radical candidate for one of the two major parties in my lifetime. If I'm missing somebody, let me know who it is who actually got the nomination to be a US Senator as a Republican.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah, Absolutely true. Yeah. And I would argue that you are right based only on the part of the iceberg that's above water. The associations he's made, the endorsements he's accepted, the things that he've said have prove your case. But if you know anything about, you know, the Red Green alliance and Islamism and that sort of thing, the part that's below the water is, is far, far beyond the part that's above the water.

[Getty]

So this is a really big deal. It could be control of the US Senate. Normally all the big guns would come out when you get close to election day. Does this guy ever share a stage with Barack Obama? I'll bet no.

[Jack]

Maybe for the reasons I said earlier. They're going to get the seat, then they're going to see if they can control him or co opt him. And if they can't, they'll kneecap him or they'll try. So yeah, I say Obama does appear with him. There you go.

[Getty]

Maybe at the very end.

[Jack]

He's rehearsing his speech right now. Michael.

[Getty]

Wow, this is something though. The most radical nominee by one of the two major parties for a big office ever. Maybe ever, certainly in modern history. You know, you can't say ever because you get back into the Civil War and people want to continue slavery and stuff like that. It gets kind of complicated.

[Jack]

But sure, yeah, fair enough.

[Getty]

Wow, that is something. Well, be crazy to watch.

[Jack]

We're not at DEFCON 2 yet, but. I'm sorry, we're not at DEFCON 1 yet, but we're at DEFCON 2 in terms of a dangerous political movement.

[Getty]

Wow, that is really something. A little bit later this hour,

[Ross Douthat]

Ross

[Getty]

do thought of the New York Times who made a bunch of news last week because he's leaving the New York Times. He's going to be a correspondent at 60 Minutes. A conservative column columnist from the New York Times is going to work for 60 Minutes. Barry Weiss is 60 Minutes. Anyway, he did an interview with a nut job academic that is getting a lot of attention.

[Jack]

Speaking of Nut jobs. One of your foremost longevity hacker guys who's been draining his son's blood.

[Ross Douthat]

What?

[Jack]

Has announced that maybe he's gone too far. Gee, in what way, sir? We'll what talk about that coming up. Stay with us.

[Getty]

I want to hear that next.

[Jack]

There, Armstrong and Getty.

[Armstrong]

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[Getty]

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[Jack]

Oh, no. Are you ready to soft rock? Do you know Brian Johnson? He was a texillionaire. He's become one of those, like, leading lights of ultra. No, no, different Brian Johnson. He. This guy is not back in black. He's maybe back to sanity. 48 years old, got more money than he could ever spend in 14 lifetimes. He's invested at least $10 million of his own money in various methods of longevity and longevity research, health monitoring protocols. Injecting himself with his son's blood plasma.

[Getty]

Whoa.

[Jack]

While following a strict regimen of supplements. Yes. He's even referred to his teenage son as his blood boy.

[Getty]

Well, I was about to. His son an adult or not? I mean, does he get a say in whether or not dad sucks vital juices out of him?

[Jack]

Well, I don't know what the laws of consent for that are, but he's. He's a minor child.

[Getty]

Hold still, son. What are you doing? Dad, I need some of your blood.

[Jack]

Yes. His other stunts include sharing. Sharing detailed reports about his wife's vajayjay. I can't imagine why.

[Getty]

Tell me more about your wife's vajayjay and.

[Jack]

And the valley volume of microplastics in his sperm on social media. He's. His obsession with his own bodily fluids. Aims to preserve the fertility levels, et cetera, et cetera. He claims to have eliminated 95% of the microplastics from his issue by spending 20 minutes daily in dry saunas while applying an ice pack to his groinal area.

[Getty]

That's all I gotta do.

[Jack]

There's More. Wait, there's more. He also claimed a week or so ago that he cloned himself as a newborn baby to harvest the organs. Wait, I just cloned myself as a newborn? This might be scary to some people, a dystopian future.

[Getty]

No offense to your journalism, but I feel like you should have led with that. That's. He cloned. I was leading up to it as a baby and he's gonna use the organs.

[Jack]

I didn't know whether it was a countdown or, or a count up anyway. And there's other stuff that does isn't. Wait a minute. Right. Exactly. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[Getty]

Wait a minute.

[Jack]

Yeah, you could have led with that. I agree. But. But. And here's the twist. He made the confession the other day on X formerly Twitter that he, he says, well, he's developed an autoimmune disease and he says been thinking things over and I wonder if I've taken this whole longevity thing too far.

[Getty]

You think

[Jack]

built an infant clone of yourself to harvest its organs and you drain your son's blood?

[Getty]

Having babies to use their organs is not a thing.

[Jack]

No, you are. What is the word? Monster. You are a monster, sir. Sorry about your autoimmune disorder.

[Getty]

As people live longer, and especially among the rich, this, this longevity thing is going to get nuttier and nuttier.

[Jack]

I've known some people. Yeah. Speaking of nutty. An idea so insane only a respected intellectual could hold it. Coming up next hour. Don't miss this. Seriously. I'm sorry. Next half hour, Armstrong and Getty bite

[Armstrong]

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[Jack]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[Ashley Iconetti]

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We didn't talk much about the media move that was made last week. Ross Douthat, if you know him, of the New York Times, he's been a columnist for a while there. Conservative columnist. He Got hired at the New York Times when he is in his 20s. Still, he's a. He's not your typical, like mainstream media, especially New York Times or Washington Post or whatever columnist. He's practicing Roman Catholic, very religious, but he's not a bomb chucker, sort of like conservative. He's like a. I was going to

[Jack]

describe him as earnest.

[Getty]

Yeah, yeah, very much so. And his. Some of his religious books that I've read or listened to him talk about are really, really interesting in that sort of stuff. But anyway, he's leaving the New York Times. Barry Weiss hired him over at 60 minutes to try to balance out their coverage. Good, I'm. I'm happy to see that. Man. I saw some pushback on that online last week that was just. Oh, yeah, insane about this, this religious nut job who have had his way, we'd be living in a theocracy, being hired by Barry Weiss to further blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack]

Well, not only that, but they're afraid that 60 Minutes might become biased. I mean, can you imagine? Oh, that's right.

[Getty]

I'd forgotten. He wrote the Decadent Society. I loved that book. With a different kind of view of what the word decadent means than we usually use. And that's. That's where we are culturally. But anyway. Well, maybe we'll talk about that at a different time. But he's.

[Jack]

Sorry, I'm making a note. That is number 806 on books I need to read back to you.

[Getty]

So who is this nut we're about to hear Ross talking to?

[Jack]

Oh, Lordy, Jack. So Ross does these interview podcasts, and this one happens to be with a fellow by the name of Samuel Moyne, who is the Kent professor of Law and History at Yale University.

[Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack]

Where he also serves as head of one of the colleges within the University of Yale. He is an academic super heavyweight and an important law school professor. Why don't we just go ahead and play the audio, then we will discuss. You may drive off the road, so prepare yourselves.

[Ross Douthat]

I've gotten in some hot water for proposing we consider overweighting the. The votes of younger people or assigning.

[Jack]

Michael, stop it for just a second. I've got to point out this guy went to the same voice coach as the guy with the worst voice in America. Kind of that northeast intellectual, very effeminate vocal fry e voice. Anyway, you got to get past that to listen to his.

[Getty]

Well, and I know we're not getting into the content yet, but he just talked about overweighting the votes of young people. Like the votes would count more if you're young.

[Jack]

That is his premise. That's correct. Listen to this, would you?

[Ross Douthat]

I've gotten in some hot water for proposing we consider overweighting the votes of younger people or assigning the youngest eligible voters proxy votes for the unrepresented children of our country. So those are edgy. Why not. Why not assign them to those children's parents? Well, because there's a divergence of interest between parents and children. And I think it's likelier that young people, not people who are raising families, will have the best insight into the interests of children. Whereas if you were awarded five, I think that's staff. I think it's absurd to imagine that a 24 year old recent college graduate has a better assessment of the interests of my own children than I do.

[Getty]

And I say this with all Due

[Ross Douthat]

respect to 24 year old recent college graduates of whom I hope to be

[Getty]

the parent of in nine years or so.

[Ross Douthat]

I think parents generally confuse the interests of their family with the interests of their children. And part of our goal, I think as parents, but also as a society is trying to make sure that children aren't the hostages of their parents as much as we rely on parents to raise them.

[Getty]

Well, there's a sentence for you. Wow. There's a sentence for you. We don't want children to have to be the hostages of their parents.

[Jack]

Right. And that children have a better grasp of their needs and self interest than their parents do. Therefore we should give the youngest people more votes. Is there any society like you get two votes because you're voting for the children who can't vote? As a 19 year old, is there

[Getty]

any society in the history of planet Earth that has ever thought that? I mean, you know, you picture Native Americans and elders and Asian culture.

[Jack]

No, F. No.

[Getty]

I did like when he said, often the desires of the children diverge from those of her parents. Oh, really? I hadn't noticed that as a parent.

[Jack]

Or did he say desires or. Well, it doesn't matter. Yeah, but what your kids want.

[Getty]

Oh, really? You want to go to Disneyland and eat cake all day. I hadn't noticed that.

[Jack]

That diverges from my idea of your best interest. There are some ideas so insane only an intellectual could have them. There is a Yale law professor saying that young people should get extra votes.

[Getty]

He is.

[Jack]

Including children.

[Getty]

He is.

[Jack]

And children are the hostage of the family.

[Getty]

Our education system. I mean, I feel like we say this every day, but it needs to be said with like exclamation marks and underlined and highlighted and circled. Our education system is so out of control.

[Jack]

Yes, it is.

[Getty]

This guy is one of the most influential law voices on earth, one of the most prestigious law universities in the country, on the planet. And he believes the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Jack]

Yeah, he, he is something close to. I doubt he is textbook mentally ill. There are probably some plain spoken commonsensical descriptions for this somebody who's gotten so swept away by their ideology they're now completely unmoored from reality.

[Getty]

Well, getting back to his first sentence, he wants to overweight the votes of young people so the, you know, two young people could outvote three older people or something because they, they're smart, they're wiser than us, and indeed children, children

[Jack]

should be in charge of children's lives because they know better than their parents. You know, how long was that? Let's listen to that again. There's a lot there.

[Getty]

There is a lot there.

[Jack]

Go ahead.

[Ross Douthat]

I've gotten in some hot water for proposing we consider overweighting the votes of younger people or assigning the youngest eligible voters proxy votes for the unrepresented children of our country. So those are edgy. Why not, why not assign them to those children's parents? Well, because there's a divergence of interest between parents and children. And I think it's likelier that young people, not people who are raising families, will have the best insight into the interests of children. Whereas if you were awarded five, I think it's absurd to imagine that a 24 year old recent college graduate has a better assessment of the interests of my own children than I do.

[Getty]

And I say this with all Due

[Ross Douthat]

respect to 24 year old recent college graduates of whom I hope to be the parent of in nine years or so. I think parents generally confuse the interests of their family with the interests of their children. And part of our goal, I think as parents, but also as a society is trying to make sure that children aren't the hostages of their parents as much as we rely on parents to raise them.

[Jack]

Ross actually makes the witticism that was partially cut off saying in my experience, the parents are more the hostage of the children. Which is a funny thing to say. The, the learned professor has no children, as far as I can tell. No way that will. I know, it's surprising, isn't it, given his incredible insight. You know, I got to admit, I'm at an R U F ing kidding me spot. Yeah, mentally, emotionally, right now. I can't believe this guy is gainfully employed much Less employed as one of the head guys at Yale's law school.

[Getty]

Well, I came across astonished. I came across that clip bunch of different places being retweeted by people I like. Like Jonah Goldberg said, congratulations on Ross and Ross for engaging him in the conversation. I think I would have just hit him in the head with the microphone. You.

[Jack]

That sort of thing.

[Getty]

It's like you are a numbness.

[Jacob Goldstein]

But.

[Getty]

So that thing at the end distracted me. We don't want kids to be the hostages of their parents. But that sentence before that, with the. The kids understand their interests better than the people in charge of the family or whatever it is. But what. What does that even mean? So that's that thing you always talk about with college professors who think the nuclear family is a negative.

[Jack]

So it's an. It's an organ of oppression.

[Getty]

So most of us, the family unit is, you know, that's kind of the highest everything. And he thinks that gets in the way of the best interests of the kids, which is so weird.

[Jack]

Yeah. You know, I could parse more of what he said, but at this point, I feel like I'm listening to the rantings of a madman in my. My patience is limited.

[Getty]

Well, I. I wouldn't be bothered really at all if he's just. I don't know, he's just some online guy that, you know, got a PhD in something weird. But he's one of the most important law schools in the world. Yeah.

[Jack]

He think is number. The number one law school in America.

[Getty]

Yeah. It's our. Nobody like him should be able to be running anything ever.

[Jack]

I know.

[Getty]

Teaching kids. And he's at like the highest level of it.

[Jack]

Look, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna tell you, say I told you so, but if any of you thought old Joe Getty ranting about how completely insane our university systems have become, you know what? A written apology would be Great.

[Getty]

God, that's crazy.

[Jack]

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[Getty]

Well, that's why I think dogs votes should count more than people's votes. Because there's a divergence between what the dog wants and what the owners of the dogs want.

[Jack]

The dog knows its needs better than you do, right. As it eats another animal's crap in the yard, for instance.

[Getty]

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[Getty]

Where did we have the common sense conversation Hour two kind of fits in with that. So this is a guy that's got so much education that he. He ignores what he sees around him because I would say think that he would look around him and realize that 21 year olds often have really distorted wrong views of the world because of their lack of life experience. Not their fault. I did too. Whereas somebody who's 50 years old and has had multiple jobs and raised kids and paid taxes, all this sort of stuff has all kinds of insights that a 20 year old does not have.

[Jack]

For instance, seen every scam, political and otherwise, that's come down the pike and recognizes them and thinks oh I know that one. No, at 20 something. You know Roth Ross doth that at one point said with all Due respect to 24 year old recent college graduates and I thought that was one of the most ironic uses of that phrase I've ever heard, how much respect is do them? Exactly. Anyway, yeah, you know, one of the reasons I soured on academia and it had some role in me not going to law school was that I realized in academia you spin a line of bull crap and sometimes it's truth and exploring science or coming to great realizations about humankind, but often it's just crap. And your career depends on you reinforcing your bull crap 100% and making it more complicated, writing books about it, selling it to other people, convincing your undergrads, having grad assistants who perpetuate your bullcrap which when if it is exposed to the real world for like a day, it would wither because it's crap.

[Getty]

It's crap. It's crap. It's crap.

[Jack]

That's my point precisely. And this guy has spin was spun one of the more ridiculous lines of bull crap I've ever heard in my life he has attained great heights of academia. People probably tremble in his presence. He's so important and he is completely divorced from reality.

[Getty]

Oh, I'm sure if he gives you the nod for a job or a position at another college or something like that, it's among the most important things that could happen to you.

[Jack]

Well, if he writes your letter of recommendation as you're applying for law jobs. My daughter is. Right now. Yeah. Yep.

[Getty]

Okay, here's everybody. Do an experiment this weekend. Let your kids be in charge of everything. What you do, where you go, how you spend your money, what you eat. Then see how it goes.

[Jack]

They know better than you do, you oppressor. Get out of their way.

[Getty]

Stay tuned.

[Jack]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Armstrong]

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[Jacob Goldstein]

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[Ashley Iconetti]

this is Ashley from the Ben and Ashley I Almost famous podcast. Ben. I've been reflecting a lot lately on how many big life moments our listeners have experienced with us.

[Jack]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[Ashley Iconetti]

They've watched us go from dating shows to engagements, weddings, babies, buying homes. Every stage comes with new decisions.

[Getty]

The milestones are the fun part, but the planning is where things get real.

[Ashley Iconetti]

That's why Klarna stands out. Klarna gives people smarter tools to help manage everyday money with flexible ways to pay cash back that builds automatically everything in one place and support that makes everyday decisions feel less overwhelming.

[Getty]

Since life moves so fast, the right

[Jack]

tools can help you feel more confident.

[Getty]

Download the Klarna app today or visit klarna.com to learn more.

[Jack]

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[Armstrong]

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[Jack]

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[Jack]

I must correct the record. I have done further research. Professor Moyne does have two daughters. That doesn't make him less crazy. That makes him more crazy.

[Getty]

True.

[Jack]

So he is clinging to his academic ideas in the face of all reality.

[Armstrong]

Wow.

[Jack]

If you didn't hear last segment, grab a via podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[Getty]

So I did my first ever emotional investing yesterday. I've never invested emotionally. I've only invested kind of spread everything out or this seems like a good idea. I went with some SpaceX stock just because I like Elon. I like the things he's talking about. It's purely emotional. I mean if I were going to sit down and if I was only interested in making max money, I probably this wouldn't be the decision I'm making. This is purely a I'm rooting for you sort of thing. Right? And. And I'll see if I think it was a good idea 10 years from now or if it was a dumb idea or whatever. And not a lot, but anyway. So I was looking at some of the big wins that have happened in recent years with some of these tech companies and I wish I recognizes the time. For instance Apple when the iPhone came out. I remember talking about it. You and I both talking about. It's like this is amazing. So why didn't I invest? So if you'd have put 10K into Apple 2007 when the iPhone came out. Don't want to hear it. La la la la la la la la. In 10 years it increased 15 times. She'd had 150 grand. I mean, and what an obvious game changing product, right? Tesla. Loved Tesla. When I first got one, I thought this is really, really something. Who knows where it's going now that it's a robot company. But if you'd have done that when it first came on the season scene and got going 21 times in 10 years. So your 10 grand turns into, you know, 200 grand Amazon, similar sort of amazing thing once it got going. Although I don't know when you would have picked the start date for that one. Not as clear because Amazon was a. But Nvidia. If he'd have jumped into Nvidia 10 years ago, 2016, right at the AI boom when they were talking about being the best chip out there, 150 times your investment over the last decade, your 10 grand would be, you know, somewhere between a million four and a million five, depending on when you cash out on one of these days. Because it goes up and down a lot and that's something.

[Jack]

Good Lord.

[Getty]

People can and do lose money. What?

[Jack]

Wow.

[Getty]

You know, SpaceX is either going to turn into something great and he's going to put those data centers in the sky and AI is going to rule the world and he's the one that thought of it first and we're going to get to Mars and I'm, I'm more into the, like I invested in us getting to Mars than I am any money turnaround really. But. Or he's going to decide, you know what I'm more interested in. Who knows what he'll decide he's interested in and he'll abandon SpaceX and put all his thoughts into Twitter, you know, another social media account. Now I care about entertainment news. Elon's kind of flighty like that.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. The Elon effect is a real thing stock experts talk about. If he's involved in it, people think, I'll bet it'll work out. Right? Yeah. Warren Buffett, ish. Faith in him. Well, it's a different sort.

[Getty]

But yeah, it's, it's. I'm a big fan.

[Jack]

I'm sorry, I was just daydreaming about back when, if you had a Tesla, people would say, well, you liberal, what's the matter? And then a few years later it's you conservative fascist, what's the matter with you right. Can everybody just chill the hell out?

[Getty]

I have had that experience myself.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Getty]

Driving a Tesla. I went from being a liberal wuss. I thought you were a better guy than that. To a Nazi fascist. I thought you were a better guy than that. Yeah.

[Jack]

Driving the same product. Yeah. Yeah.

[Getty]

That's kind of hilarious in a way.

[Jack]

Or terrifying. The voice. I remember I was a teenager when I first heard the expression about

[Ross Douthat]

the

[Jack]

voice of reason and the howling mob and how the voice of reason doesn't have a chance. And I thought, oh, that's probably true. And horrifying and it is true. That's why populism is such a complicated thing. Anyway, more on that and many other things.

[Getty]

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[Jacob Goldstein]

Armstrong and Getty, this is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? Running a business is hard enough. Don't make it harder. With a dozen apps that don't talk to each other. One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. That's software overload. Odoo is the all in one platform that replaces them all. CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, hr. Fully integrated, easy to use, and built to grow with your business. Thousands have already made the switch. Why not you try Odoo for [e-mail] that's odoo.com.

[Getty]

mom, can I have Lingokids? Dad, Lingokids, please? When did we become the Lingokids house?

[Armstrong]

No idea. Last week it was dinosaurs, this week it's Lingokids.

[Getty]

Why Lingokids?

[Jack]

Because it's the best thing ever.

[Getty]

We can play games with astronauts, wild animals, and superheroes. With more than 4,000 interactive games, songs and shows, LingoKids is the number one entertainment platform for young kids.

[Armstrong]

So no dinosaurs and dinosaurs, rainbow cakes.

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