A Mating Episode

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: A Mating Episode
Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode explores a broad range of topics, stretching from the dysfunctions in American health care to evolutionary biology and the contemporary landscape of marriage, dating, and gender dynamics. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty inject their signature humor and conversational style into deeply contentious or complex subjects, with witty banter and honest reflection. The "mating episode" theme refers primarily to an in-depth comparative discussion of human and mammalian monogamy and polygamy, and the current changes in relationships and marriage rates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Dysfunction of American Health Care

[03:00 – 12:26]

• Health Care Cost Shock:
  Jack Armstrong relates personal shock at an exorbitant $1,355/month healthcare premium, calling on Congress to address the issue ("Let's fix it," [03:00]).

• Health Care and Employment:
  Joe Getty takes a "mean conservative" stance:

  "I don't believe health care is a right. I'm fine with it being tied to employment. Get out there and get a freaking job that gives you health care." ([04:21])

• Numbers Breakdown:
  They cite Craig Gotwalls, a healthcare expert: about 22 million Americans get subsidies (Obamacare), versus 165 million with employer health care, 77 million on Medicaid, and 69 million on Medicare ([04:51]).

• Obamacare Critique:
  Both hosts agree the current system is deeply flawed:

  • Armstrong: "It's an obscenely dysfunctional program." ([03:50])
  • Getty: "Obamacare helped inflate the sticker price of individual coverage... the underlying cost problem is exposed again." ([06:53])

• Policy and Politics:
  Jack slams the political narrative:

  "The hilariously named Affordable Care act is a disaster. It was fraud to begin with and is worse than anybody thought." ([07:48])

  • Consensus: Neither party has courage or clarity to overhaul the system; insurance companies benefit enormously.

• Systemic Dysfunction:
  Armstrong:

  "What we've got now sucks. It doesn't work. It's a bucket with holes in it... Stop saying it's a bucket. It's not. It's a sieve." ([09:25])

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2. Employer-Based Health Care & its Origins

[11:25 – 12:26]

• The US system of employer-tied health insurance is framed as an international anomaly, stemming from wage cap eras when unions negotiated for medical benefits instead of pay raises.
• Armstrong quips:

  "Nobody would unless they were seriously profoundly psychotic. Design the system we have right now." ([12:03])

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3. Food Interlude: Hot Dogs and Tube Steaks

[13:01 – 16:39]

• A humorous digression about Omaha Steaks’ holiday sale and the anatomy of hot dogs.

• Multiple euphemisms for hot dogs prompt this exchange:

  Joe: “Seriously, the term tube steak, it makes me not want to eat one.”
  Jack: “It’s a delicious hunk of meat in tube form. It’s not disgusting.” ([13:29])

• Armstrong:

  "I want a Chicago style dog right now. More than sex. Although if sex were offered to me, the hot dog would probably be warm long enough anyway." ([15:38])

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4. Strange Military History: Drunk Russians and Failed Attacks

[19:51 – 22:04]

• Joe recounts a failed Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow. The plan was allegedly thwarted because Russian truck drivers, hungover after Victory Day, failed to deliver critical cargo.

  "So many Russians got so drunk on whichever holiday this was that they were hungover and didn't go to work... Ukraine had to call off the attack." ([21:21])

• Armstrong connects this to other infamous, alcohol-influenced moments in history—Civil War secret plans wrapped in cigars, the Trenton Hessians, etc.

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5. Science Segment: Why Is Ice Slippery?

[22:42 – 23:08]

• Teaser for an upcoming scientific explanation about the slipperiness of ice, with the promise of a comedic personal anecdote about falling on ice. (“I have one particularly hilarious fall on the ice I'll have to tell about…” – Joe, [23:08])

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6. Main Theme: Human Mating, Monogamy, & Evolutionary Biology

[27:27 – 36:18]

• Mammalian Monogamy/Polygamy:
  Armstrong shares research on the variety of mating systems in mammals, from strictly monogamous deer mice to promiscuous Scottish sheep ([27:47]).

• Are Humans Meant to Be Monogamous?

  • Anthropology provides no straight answer. Most societies allow polygamy, but most people are monogamous. Polygamy is often linked to wealth ([29:37]).
  • Armstrong: "As everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we are by nature a profoundly confused species. Somewhere in between." ([36:03])

• Comparison with Other Primates:

  • Polygamous primates: big differences in size/appearance between sexes, males show off, fight for mates, little paternal care, big testes, short lives (“tournament species”).
  • Monogamous primates: minor sexual dimorphism, shared parental care, subtle appearance, lower sperm count, less aggressive.

• Humans? In Between:
  Humans are more sexually dimorphic than monogamous primates, but less so than polygamous ones.

  "Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature…we are by nature a profoundly confused species." ([36:03])

• Societal Constructs:
  The pair joke about “social constructs,” mocking academic dogma (with Armstrong quipping: “If somebody uses the term social construct for anything, I immediately think… your worldview came from some radical professor…” [37:42])

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7. Contemporary Relationships: Changing Marriage and Fertility Dynamics

[38:08 – 40:57]

• Gender Differences in Desire for Kids:

  • Conservative men remain interested in marriage/family, but liberal women are less interested than in previous generations.
  • Quote from Emily Jashinsky (Washington Post):

    "The trend line of women reporting a declining desire to marry may indeed reflect pessimism about their prospects rather than the institution itself... If the last several decades have taught us anything... the war on boys is also. Also a war on girls." ([39:01], [40:19])

• Men's Prospects & Cultural Shifts:

  • Women's marriage prospects decline as men's economic and educational outcomes decrease.
  • Joe Getty: "Maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who live with their parents and play video games all day." ([40:35])

• The War on Boys:
  Armstrong and producer Katie echo the argument that deindustrialized schools and cultural shifts disadvantage boys–which in turn limits women's marital happiness.

• Tournament Testicles:
  A running joke about evolutionary terms and band names concludes this segment in classic Armstrong & Getty irreverence.

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8. Orchidometers & Steroid-Era Baseball

[43:40 – 44:54]

• Off-air banter leads Joe to explain that he knows what an "orchidometer" is because it was used to measure baseball player Barry Bonds’ testicles during steroid investigations.

  "Crucial information to have... I'd say you need it very much or you don't need it at all." – Jack ([44:44])

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9. Tech & Copyright: Disney, ChatGPT, and the AI Arms Race

[45:44 – 47:12]

• Disney will invest $1 billion in OpenAI and license its characters for use in ChatGPT, signifying tech and copyright's difficult coexistence.
  • Getty: "It's gonna be very hard to hold on to your intellectual property in the world of artificial intelligence. Damn near impossible." ([47:12])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Health care grenade:

  "It's a bucket with holes in it...Stop saying it's a bucket. It's not. It's a sieve. The Affordable Care Act is terrible." (Jack, [09:25])

• Monogamy, with signature sarcasm:

  "As everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we are by nature a profoundly confused species." (Jack, [36:03])

• On polygamous primates:

  "They walk around with their long incisors, their huge size, their big balls, the rest of it." (Jack, [32:59])

• Marriage market reality check:

  "Women don't want to get married. Okay, maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who live with their parents and play video games all day." (Joe, [40:35])

• Tournament Testicles:

  • "My band is going to be...Tournament Testicles. That'd be a good name for a band." (Joe, [40:51])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Healthcare dysfunction and numbers: [03:00 – 12:26]
• Employer-based insurance origins: [11:25 – 12:26]
• Hot dog banter: [13:01 – 16:39]
• Drunk Russians & failed attack anecdote: [19:51 – 22:04]
• Ice science teaser: [22:42 – 23:08]
• Mating & monogamy in mammals/humans: [27:27 – 36:18]
• Gender shift in marriage/fertility: [38:08 – 40:57]
• Orchidometers & Barry Bonds: [43:40 – 44:54]
• Disney, IP, & ChatGPT: [45:44 – 47:12]

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Tone & Delivery

The Armstrong & Getty trademark style blends earnest engagement with biting sarcasm, cultural critique, and healthy doses of self-aware humor. The conversation is rapid-fire and irreverent, with tangents (hot dogs, tournament testicles, baseball and orchidometers) providing comic relief between heavy social commentary.

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This episode is essential listening for those interested in the intersection of politics, society, evolutionary biology, and the unpredictable messiness of modern relationships—delivered with the hosts' distinctly American, curmudgeonly charm.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty and Now here's Armstrong. And get.

$1,355 a month for health care premium has got my attention. And I think our senators and congressmen, House members, all of them need to come together and get in a room and let's duke this out. Let's fix it.

[Joe Getty]

It's making us reevaluate, leaving the corporate world. If we had to go back to corporate America because we can't afford access to health care, not even health care, just access to health care, that would be a shame.

God, I hate this topic.

So annoying and so full of lies. It's incredibly complicated.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some aspects of it are. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, the whole thing.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Yeah.

It's the. How discouraging it is that gets to me because when you're talking about Obamacare and the subsidies and the current debate going on and blah, blah, blah, if anybody had any good faith desire to figure out what's working and what's not and what's a good expenditure of people's tax dollars, we wouldn't be anywhere close to what we're dealing with right now. It's an obscenely dysfunctional program.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm gonna play the role of mean conservative.

I don't believe health care is a right. I'm fine with it being tied to employment. Get out there and get a freaking job that gives you health care. That'd be my message.

And so we always end up having these non stop conversations about a tiny percentage of people. So I, I reached out to Craig Got walls. He's our healthcare expert. He is a healthcare expert. He's one of the best that exists and he can help your company with its healthcare costs. We should probably hit you with a website or something since Craig went to all this work.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I said, how many people are.

[Joe Getty]

We even talking here? About 22 million people that are getting the subsidies that we're talking about here. They're going to have their premiums go up compared to for instance, 165 million people that got a job that has health care. That's the vast majority of us out there. And then if you're either poorer or older, you got another 77 million on Medicaid and 69 million on Medicare.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a lot of people.

[Joe Getty]

Then you get down to that. 22 million new subdies are going to go up. Now, if Obamacare had worked the way it was sold to us, let me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Throw in their temporary Covid. Subsidies are going to be reduced.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And go back to the original ones a couple of years ago.

[Joe Getty]

All right. Well, it looks to me, if I understand this right, maybe we ought to have Craig on in the coming weeks, probably in the new year, because this is going to be like the big topic for Congress at the beginning of the year. Yeah, it looks to me like Covid came along at an opportune time with the subsidies and everything like that and covered up all kinds of price explosions that were going to hit and we were going to have this conversation anyway. And that kind of got masked by Covid and the government stepping in to help in the downtrodden. If Obamacare had worked the way it was supposed to, says Craig, these extra subsidies should be unnecessary by now. The promise was that. And he lists all these different things that were supposed to happen then. The market was going to stabilize in an affordable level. So you wouldn't have needed any of this stuff. Well, that never happened. Instead, the ACA rules, that's Obamacare drove individual market premiums sharply higher, guaranteed. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So the pandemic era enhanced subsidies didn't fix the underlying pricing. They just threw more federal money at the higher premiums so people wouldn't feel the full hit. So that kind of masked everything during.

[Jack Armstrong]

COVID and now being borrowed at increasingly high interest rates. Yes, we are spending money we don't have to do what we're talking about.

[Joe Getty]

So the current outcry isn't because Obamacare succeeded and now we're cruelly rolling back a core feature. It's almost the exact opposite. Obamacare helped inflate the sticker price of individual coverage. And now that the temporary, they were supposed to be temporary and everybody, including many Republicans now or looking at making them permanent, are scheduled to go away, the underlying cost problem is exposed again. So, yeah, and the news today in the Wall Street Journal is that there are a lot of Republicans that aren't comfortable with allowing these premiums to go back to what they were supposed to be because, you know, you're the party of the working class and all that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's so easy to demagogue. Just listen to Chuck Schumer's messaging about this. The poor are gonna lose their health care thanks to the Republicans and pretty.

[Joe Getty]

Good percentage of Americans billionaires.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. A lot of people believe that crap when instead the conversation ought to be as it is like among, you know, Craig and people who know what they're talking about. Holy cow, the hilariously named Affordable Care act. That's a 600 pound guy who calls himself Tiny. The hilariously named Affordable Care act is a disaster. It was fraud to begin with and is worse than anybody thought.

[Joe Getty]

You either like this system or you don't. I took jobs, bad jobs. I mean, bad. Bad is a bad. And quote, bad jobs. They didn't pay that well and I hated the work, but they provided health care. I worked a number of bad jobs when I was young so I would have health insurance. Because I remember my dad telling me when I was like 18 years old, he said, you step off a curb rom break your ankle, you go bankrupt if you don't have health insurance. So I always made sure I had health insurance and I worked some crappy jobs to make sure I did. But a lot of people think that's a horror, that it shouldn't be that way. You shouldn't have to do anything. And if for whatever reason you aren't working currently, there should be some sort of affordable health insurance for you. And you either believe insurance is a right or you don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before you fire off an angry email, let me just step in and say I disagree with Jack. It's the nature of the economy's changed. Gig work, that sort of thing. A lot of employers don't offer health care benefits. We need a system in addition to employee sponsored health care plans.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they, they don't anymore since we came up with a plan where you don't necessarily have to. We don't know how many companies would have been offering insurance if we continue down the same road.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we got a chicken and egg thing going on. Yeah, they feed into each other, no doubt. But putting aside your angry, oversimplified, red meat hurling screed, what we've got now sucks. It doesn't work. It's a bucket with holes in it. You fill it at the well, you walk down the street and the water pours out on the street. Stop saying it's a bucket. It's not. It's a sieve. The Affordable Care act is terrible.

[Joe Getty]

You always have to go back to the goal. Then it all makes sense. If you remember the goal, it all makes sense. The goal is for it to get more expensive and crazier and, and more maddening and more confusing to where enough people say, government health care for everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Single payer system, and then that. Then we're done.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right.

[Joe Getty]

That's the goal.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the Republican Party isn't clever enough, or, you know, maybe the, the mountain is too steep to climb, but they are not clever enough to let the American people know what they need to know, which is that the System doesn't work. It needs seriously to be reformed. Their pockets are being lined by the insurance giants which are getting crazy, crazy rich on this program. We've had the stories for you recently of the hundreds of millions, I can't even remember of accounts that were created. And then that person never asked for any health care of any sort. Well, that's because those accounts are being opened on their behalf. They don't even know they exist. But the giant subsidies are being paid to the insurance companies, for instance. That's just, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you gotta admit the, I think the, the, the whole notion of health care isn't tied to employment. A lot of people find that horrific. I don't know about a lot what that number is, but that's the way it was forever. I worked part time jobs that gave me health care because to get me to work there, they had to at that time. You don't have to anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I just, I think it's, that market for labor's changed a lot since then. But you know, we're an outlier and the whole employer based healthcare thing is an outlier internationally. And it's as you know, a vestige of, you know, unions that were prevented from getting price or wage increases during various, you know, wage cap periods in our history. And so they said, well, you can't give us more wages, how about you pay for our doctor bills? And that just metastasized. But you know, whether that's the right system or not, we can argue about another time. But again.

Nobody would unless they were seriously profoundly psychotic. Design the system we have right now and yet we act like any even tweak to it, any reasonable tweak to it is somehow a horror perpetrated against the populace. I just, I give up on self governance. We need a king. Can we just get to the bottom line? We need a K. Well, that number I gave you.

[Joe Getty]

The vast majority of people having health care through their employers. I wonder what that percentage will be in 20 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

You know, I haven't mentioned, and I feel bad about it, the hot dogs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. They are some of the best tube steaks I've ever had.

[Joe Getty]

Seriously, the term tube steak, it makes me not want to eat one.

[Jack Armstrong]

But why?

[Joe Getty]

It's disgusting.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's. It's a delicious hunk of meat in a tube form. It's not disgusting.

[Joe Getty]

No.

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[Joe Getty]

I like hot dogs, love hot dogs. And you have many euphemisms for hot dogs, and all of them make me want to eat them less.

[Jack Armstrong]

Huh? Why can't you just call it a hot dog?

I don't know. Because this is America, and the first amendment protects my right to free speech.

[Joe Getty]

That's why tube steak makes me want to not eat it. Nitrate bomb, or whatever you call it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Makes me want to eat it. Nitrate rocket.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Nothing to do with them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why?

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, that's. Yeah, it's. It came from a. A pig. All right, Or a cow or something or other that was running around the barnyard. Don't worry about it. You know, it's sausage and legislation. You don't want to watch them making it. Of course they don't make any freaking legislation anymore. Congress. Boo.

[Joe Getty]

So it was. It was a part of the pig or cow at some point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. Or was stuck to it or whatever. That's. That's why you go with Omaha steaks. Folks Omaha steaks.com for the quality. Yeah I I will never forget growing up in the Chicago area. The hot dog is an art form. It's really what goes around the hot dog. I love Chicago style dogs. I want one right now. Like earlier today you valued had have to have a cheeseburger before the end of the show. I want a Chicago style dog right now. More than sex. Although if sex were offered to me the hot dog probably be warm long enough anyway.

[Joe Getty]

But there's this weird thing after after event snack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well hot dog in a little oven sure. Or love and then the hot dog no, not much clearer. You don't want hot dog breath for one thing. No. Right. Clearly. I apologize. Anyway, where was it? Oh but there's this thing in Chicago. You can't have ketchup on a hot dog. People will mock you. Having a hot dog with my brother in law once I said what would you say if I asked if you have any ketchup? He'd say I'd ask. Are you 8 years old?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. I learned that years ago. I didn't know that for a long time but yeah. Mustard only or, or other things.

[Jack Armstrong]

But mustard and other things. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. If you're with a guy who says let's eat the hot dog first find a better lover.

[Jack Armstrong]

I I look it was a slip of the tongue. I know what order these things go in. It's a slip of the tongue.

[Joe Getty]

Okay we more on the way. Stay here.

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I thought he was going to be say something to the effect of who wants to be attacked by bees? Wow. I do. Oh man. Had a snickerdoodle the other night for the first time in a long time. That's a damn fine cookie. More food talk. Be great after your hot dog if you've been listening all half hour.

[Joe Getty]

Katie mentioned this in a headline earlier Hangover Hungover Russians Thwarted Ukraine's Pearl Harbor Style Attack on Moscow. So do you remember when Ukraine pulled off one of the great military feats in world military history when they shipped all those drones into Russia. They were laying in storage containers and then they all came out at the same time and blew up a whole bunch of their planes and it was absolutely amazing. It was supposed to be, and I don't quite understand if this was supposed to happen at exactly the same time or like the next day or whatever, but anyway, they had a Pearl harbor style attack on Moscow.

The biggest city in Russia that was supposed to happen. But it was the day after one of their big holidays, Russian victory day on May 9. The idea was to. To humiliate the Russians on their big holiday. Ah.

But so many Russians had gotten. Remember the, the, the, the, the. The drones were moved around by unsuspecting truck drivers. Russian truck drivers who didn't know what they were driving around. They, they're just driving shipping containers like do all the time drop them off. They didn't know what they're doing. So many Russians got so drunk on whichever holiday this was that they were hungover and didn't go to work. The, and enough of the shipping containers didn't get shipped that Ukraine had to call off the t. The attack. And it was going to be a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Major.

[Joe Getty]

Military moment, but didn't happen because too many drunk, hungover Russians.

[Jack Armstrong]

For real.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. The twists and turns of history are amazing.

You know the, the, the, the, the, the guy who left his, the left the door when Lincoln was watching the play. It was supposed to be there, went to the bar. I mean there's just so many things like that. Maybe, I don't know how often it's always has to do with drinking, but there's so many things like that here. The Civil War, the, the dropped secret plans that were wrapped around a cigar. I mean, look that up. It changed the whole, whole war. It's just stuff like that happens a lot.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was going to bring up the Hessians were, were drunk there in Trenton when, when Washington crossed the Delaware. Right? Yeah, the Delaware, yeah. Anyway, so coming up, a couple of notes from science, A follow up on our slutty, slutty mammals discussion of yesterday. Really interesting though, about the nature of human beings and reproduction and how it's gone rather sideways lately. Perhaps you've heard that. And a separate question from the world of science. As a former hockey player, I was especially fascinated by this. I didn't realize. Scientists have long disagreed with why ice is slippery.

And there have been various theories posited, but then they realize, no, that doesn't make any sense. That's it. So they finally have what they think is a pretty good explanation for why ISIS slippery.

[Joe Getty]

Why ice is slippery. I feel like I have an answer, but it must not be good enough. Do you? Huh? Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it is. No doubt anybody's ever fallen on their arse can attest to that.

[Joe Getty]

I have one particularly hilarious fall on the ice I'll have to tell about when we get to that story. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Has gained attention online after it began Offering vanilla soft serve dipped in me butter. So, yeah, we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies.

[Joe Getty]

That might fit into your story about scientists have figured out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter and have that work.

Seems like it would just melt your ice cream cone into the melted butter and you'd end up with a big mess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now you'd quickly dip it and the butter hardens on your ice cream and you have an inedible thing nobody should ever put in their mouth. Yeah, I don't. It's funny. I hear about that and I think, oh, another dumb novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like delighted by that over and over again. Garlic ice cream, you know, pickle flavored ice cream. They're happier than I am. Them. They're lucky. I should envy them.

[Joe Getty]

They are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Beer flavored pizza. Oh my gosh. People who always react with joy to those stories.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right.

[Joe Getty]

They are happier than you are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Huh. Anyway, so we talked about this scientist.

[Joe Getty]

Or laughing every that's what she said joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some of them are very amusing. Well, some of them are.

[Joe Getty]

Some of them aren't.

[Jack Armstrong]

You remember for a while we went with behind the scenes. Just like in prison, which. Which is a tougher one to find. It's more. It's a more advanced form of. That's what she said.

[Joe Getty]

I got a big laugh out of my brothers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got.

[Joe Getty]

Our old co worker Jay told us this one. One of the funniest things I've ever heard his thing to say. If somebody walked into a room so he's having a conversation with somebody, somebody walks up to him, they don't know what you're talking about and you just say, and that's why women shouldn't pole vault. Anyway, what can I do for you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, yeah, hilarious. Which is very, very funny. Was that Jay or was that Tim? Tim the sales guy? That was Jay. Okay. So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans rank on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals. It was a fascinating discussion. At the top of the list, the California deer mouse is apparently 100% monogamous. And at the bottom is the slutty slutty. So a sheep native to Scotland that just will mate with anything that wanders by and is pretty interesting. We got some good email comments too that were intriguing.

[Joe Getty]

Are you using the term mate and have sex interchangeably?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yeah. Although as we discussed yesterday with humans, it's much more complicated than other beasts because a, we have birth Control. B, we might copulate with multiple partners and then be monogamous once we started producing children.

[Joe Getty]

C, might have just done three shots of Jagermeister.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, yeah. Unfortunate. Anyway, it can skew the results, but. So I did a little digging about. All right, how. How monogamous are human beings meant to be biologically?

Because in, you know, being a human, we have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion, that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

We have a word for that out of Marx. This is a social construct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

The patriarchy is pushed upon you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shut up now. Yeah, Please be quiet. You woke idiots. Anyway, so I just did a little digging about what do biologists think we're designed to be? And the answer is pretty interesting.

Anthropology doesn't really give a clear answer to the question, are we meant to be monogamous or not? Historically, most cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures, most people are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy is a function of wealth, there are no doubt many monogamous men who would be polygamous if they could buy more wives. And then, of course, there are the rare polyandrous cultures where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though, offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway, some are polygamous, including our close relatives chimps and baboons.

Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmose sets. Each group has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates, the males typically spend much of their time competing for high rank and dominance hierarchies. So that gets them to mate with the hot, hot, you know, lady chimps, for instance.

[Joe Getty]

So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, exactly. Fly private. Anyway, that gives them mating access to females. So in those species, mating access is.

[Joe Getty]

Not the sexiest term.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, I know, I know. Males are. So in these species, the polyamorous ones, males are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more muscular than the females. And they have bigger canine teeth, the better to slash an opponent with. Male baboons, for example, have twice the body weight and canine length of the females. They are literally twice as big as the females. Such primates are often called, for good reason, tournament species. Ooh, tournament species.

[Joe Getty]

Males in these bigger canine teeth. Could I get those implanted?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, absolutely. You could? Yeah, absolutely. Or order away for this supplement. Guaranteed to work. Good luck returning it. So males in these species have higher metabolic rates and shorter lifespans than the females. And they basically put zero effort into caring for kids. In other words, all the female gets is the male's genes. And the females select for males with good genes, period. Which has led to the evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that advertise good genes. Flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair, silver backs. They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their beautiful feathers.

[Joe Getty]

I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was working for me.

Because the way.

[Joe Getty]

I turn bright red when I get mad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right there. Oh, he's sexy. Look how angry he is now. Because the fertile females will mate with multiple males.

[Joe Getty]

Tisk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tisk. Male Male competition extends to sperm competition. So by primate standards, polygamous male primates have large testes as a percentage of body weight and high sperm production.

[Joe Getty]

And they will.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, actually. And they'll happily mate with anyone in the county who is ovulating. So they walk around with their long incisors, their huge size, their big balls, the rest of it. Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates, who's ovulating?

[Joe Getty]

I'm ready for a mating episode.

[Jack Armstrong]

Critically, the males do much of the infant care. Thus you don't see a male indiscriminately mating left and right or fighting others for a chance to do so. Since he'll be doing a lot of work. If there's a child, I got a.

[Joe Getty]

Stack of laundry you wouldn't believe, he'll.

[Jack Armstrong]

Be raising a family. In these primates, there isn't a high degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge differences in body size, musculature, metabolism and lifespan. And males don't have those garish secondary sexual characteristics like the polygamous species does. Testes are smaller, sperm count low, mating infrequent. And these profiles are consistent. If 10 seconds into watching a newly discovered type of primate, you see that the males are twice the size of females and have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled. It's a polygamous species. If you can't. If it takes a minute to tell the difference between the sexes, they're monogamous.

[Joe Getty]

Well, what I think is did this just both ways worked, evolutionarily speaking, and, and could have gone either way. It just went one way for one reason? Or is it that particular animal, that way better than the other way?

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't know enough to answer that question, but it's a good one.

[Joe Getty]

My son is super, super into evolutionary stuff and watches gazillions of videos about it. And I have learned from him that it's, it's not near. You'd think after all the gazillions of years we'd like really perfected that there's a lot of luck involved. And some ways there's two ways. Sometimes there's two ways to get to the same point. And this way is as good as that way. So human beings, you know, in one part, a different human species did it this way and this human species did it this way.

Not for any particular reason, just kind of look.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Worked out that way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So let's bring it home to humans now. So you get your, your polygamists with their big incisors and their huge size and their short lifespans. The rest of them it. Then you got the entirely monogamous, they're much harder to tell apart, blah, blah, blah. So by these various biological measures, are human a pair bonding or a tournament species? Neither. Across populations, men are roughly 10% taller and 20% heavier than women. We need 20% more calories and live about 6% shorter. More sexually dimorphic than monogamous species, less than polygamous species. Moreover, compared with, say, monogamous gibbons, human Billy gibbons, for instance, of ZZ Top, human males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but pale in comparison to polygamous chimps. Measure after measure, it's the same. Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature. As everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we are by nature a profoundly confused species. Somewhere in between.

[Joe Getty]

Well, we have, because we have the ability to think and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or curtail our instincts if we come up with a. A world view that convinces us we should.

[Jack Armstrong]

Indeed. Yeah, indeed.

[Joe Getty]

Monkeys are not thinking about what would Jesus do when it comes to, you know, having sex with another monkey.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Only hippies who are trying to get laid are going around trying to confuse you. We're not meant to be monogamous. That's a social construct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whatever. Shut up. Yeah, you know what? If somebody uses the term social construct for anything, I immediately think, all right, you. Your worldview came from some radical professor. It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as much as you think it exists, chum. Anyway, so really interesting demographic data is coming out. We've talked about it before, about.

Women'S changing expectations and politics and desire to get married and desire to have kids and that sort of thing. And as we mentioned yesterday, I think it was men, particularly conservative men, are as interested in having children as they have ever been. Well, that's an overstatement, but certainly compared to like 20, 30 years ago, they are absolutely. Young men are interested in it, and women are way less interested. And the more liberal they are, the less interested they are in having children. And there's this imbalance, mismatch between men and women and their desire to get coupled and have children, that sort of thing. And nobody knows where this is going or if it's going to be a long term trend or whatever. However, the gaps among liberal women are just crazy. They've changed completely in 20 years, 30 years in their attitudes.

What seems to be changing is women's expectations. And the likely culprit is men's prospects. Writes. Who is this? She writes really well. Emily Jashinsky for the Washington Post.

Do we have time for this?

[Joe Getty]

Come on, ladies. You need to find one of those tournament dudes with the really big testicles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Great. Historical data shows that when men's educational economic outcomes decline, it is women without a college degree who experience the sharpest declines in marriage rates.

And women's perceived appeal as marriage partners is not declining, but men's is. And what Emily brings home, and maybe when we have more time, we'll talk about this at greater length. But she goes into the whole war on boys in schools, the de industrialization efforts to make schools just custom made for girls and act like boys are unhealthy. And I love this last part. The trend line of women reporting a declining desire to marry may indeed reflect pessimism about their prospects rather than the institution itself. And not for ideological reasons so much as practical ones. If the last several decades have taught us anything about the battle of the sexes, we should remember that the war on boys is also. Also a war on girls.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you know, I have more to say about that because I. I know a lot of women who talk about the poor pickings out there for dudes. You know, this is portrayed as. Women don't want to get married. Okay, maybe they don't want to get married to dudes who live with their parents and play video games all day.

[Jack Armstrong]

And who have been systematically emasculated by you and the schools you designed.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a complicated mix.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got an amen from Katie there? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Nice job. The war on boys is a war on girls.

[Joe Getty]

My band is going to be my rock band. My heavy rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles. That'd be a good name for a band.

[Jack Armstrong]

I am not going to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover. I'm not coming.

[Joe Getty]

You gotta see the logo. All right, stay here.

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We're having an off air conversation about the last topic and I used the term orchidometer and Katie, you looked surprised that I knew the term for the instrument one uses to measure the size of a testicle.

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No need. They're magnificent.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And the fans start to chant. Barry, Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Crucial information to have well, I'd say you need it very much or you don't need it at all. I mean, very. It's not like a Phillips screwdriver comes in handy. He's gonna need one eventually, right?

[Joe Getty]

Does not come in handy a lot.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, speaking of science, maybe next hour. That's right, we do four hours. If you don't get all four hours or you don't have, you got to do something. Grab it via podcast. You ought to follow us, subscribe to Armstrong and get you on demand, wherever you like to get podcast. And indeed, if you get a chance, give us a glowing review, because then the algorithms do a better job of promoting the show as something people might like in our brand of, I would like to think fairly commonsensical, fervent patriotism and reasonableness might become more common in America instead of less.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway.

So I brought you part of this story. I didn't understand the full story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wait a second. Did I finish my sentence?

[Joe Getty]

No, you didn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is I slippery?

[Joe Getty]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to pay that off an hour for.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Science thinks they finally know why ice is slippery.

[Joe Getty]

Fascinating. I mentioned that Disney is going to allow open AI to use their characters in Chat GPT. I didn't realize the rest of that headline is Disney to invest $1 billion in open AI and license characters for use Chat GPT. This is a big boost for Chat GPT, which we talked about the other day. Sam Altman had decided we're not making enough money on this pursuing artificial intelligence, saying, we need to focus on Chat GPT for a while. That's where the money is. People love that. And it's easy to understand. This is a big step that direction with Disney saying, hey, you can use all our characters. People can go online and make all kinds of crazy videos and pictures using Disney characters. We're not going to sue you, and here's a billion dollars. So Chat GPT getting a big leg up. They're, they're. They were feeling Google catching up behind them, and we're really worried about it.

As the race to destroy humanity continues.

Now, apparently a lot of people. Google was allowing people to use Disney characters for stuff, and Disney has tried to sue Google or get him to stop. I'm interesting to watch how this works over time, whether it's music or images or whatever, or written stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, that's like impossible to police.

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right. It's gonna be very hard to hold on to your intellectual property in the world of artificial intelligence. Damn near impossible. So, anyway, like Joe mentioned, We do a lot of different hours and different segments. If you miss any, you can find it in the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

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