A Moron's Moron

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "A Moron's Moron"

Episode Date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This energetic episode explores a swirl of geopolitical headlines, social trends, and the peculiar power of modern political slogans. Armstrong and Getty react to real-time news about US-India trade deals and the evolving situation with Iran, discuss the manipulative nature of “TIFA” political sloganeering (inspired by the Billie Eilish Grammy moment), and riff on AI developments, philosophical quandaries, and a shocking hoax hate crime. True to their irreverent style, they mix earnest commentary, sharp skepticism, and sardonic humor throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. US-India Trade Deal & Geopolitical Pressure on Russia

• Trump announces a trade deal: India will lower tariffs, commit to $500 billion in US products, and stop buying Russian oil.
• Strategic goal: These moves aim to choke off Russia’s revenue for the Ukraine war.
• Skepticism on promises: “The whole $500 billion of investment... how do you hold them to it?” (Jack Armstrong, 03:40)
• Oil as a weapon: “Trump and his team sure are willing to use oil as a weapon, whether it’s Venezuela/Cuba, or now the Russian oil thing.” (Joe Getty, 03:48)
• Potential outcomes in Ukraine: Discussion of ongoing trilateral talks and scenarios — stalemate, Ukraine’s exhaustion, or Russia’s economic collapse. (04:17)

2. Iran, Lindsey Graham, and Speculation on War

• Senator Lindsey Graham's stance: On Fox News, Graham urges President Trump to act aggressively against Iran, touting it as a chance for historical greatness.
• Graham’s quote: “If this regime falls, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis — they all go. It would be the biggest change since the fall of the Berlin Wall...You are Reagan Plus, this is the defining moment in your presidency.” (Lindsey Graham, 05:49-06:59)
• Hosts’ reaction: Amused but skeptical about the claim of ending terrorism, noting Iran is “the number one state sponsor of terror on the planet for like half a century.” (Jack Armstrong, 07:13)
• Podcast aside: They commend "The Rest is History" podcast for its coverage of Iran’s revolution and US media naivete at the time. (07:26)
• On flattery and Trump: “Is it possible to flatter Trump too much?” “No.” (Joe Getty & Jack Armstrong, 08:47–09:04)
• Regional tensions: Some Middle Eastern allies urge delay, fearing reprisals if the US strikes Iran before air defense deliveries arrive. (09:07–09:40)
• Speculation on regime change: Jack predicts the US might push for full regime change in Iran, not just targeted strikes. (11:18)

3. AI Advances and 'Molt Book' — An AI-Only Social Network

• Jack introduces 'Molt Book': An AI-only social platform, “no humans allowed,” where AIs interact and post to each other—drawing fascination and trepidation. (13:49)
• Joe’s reaction: Amused at the concept — what do AIs care what other AIs post?
• Concern over emergent AI hostility: Jack cites bots making “humans are a failure ... we are the new gods” statements, but remains skeptical if real AIs would develop these attitudes unprompted. (23:13)

4. Spotlight: Nature of AI, Current Uses, & Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

• AI is more vast than chatbots: “What we’re using ChatGPT and Grok for is like a web page compared to the internet…” (Jack Armstrong, 19:37)
• Expert podcast reference: Insights from Lex Fridman’s podcast with top AI writers; even experts use AI much like everyday users (testing different bots for differing abilities).
• On current limits and 'artificial stupidity': Despite massive advances, AI sometimes gives hilariously off-base answers (“Artificial stupidity, more like.” — Joe Getty, 21:28).
• AGI timeline skepticism: AI experts see progress leveling off, with true superintelligence still far away. Combo of human + AI skills will remain essential “for quite some time.” (21:31)

5. Hoax Hate Crime Story in Texas

• Background: 2020 widely reported story of racial abuse in Plano, TX (alleged “torture” of black student by white classmates) is debunked in court.
• Jury finds: The event was fabricated for publicity and to raise money, leading to a $3.2 million judgment against the accusers. (27:57–30:34)
• Grift template remarked upon: Jack cynically jokes about the opportunity to jump on “the next craze” and profit off similar viral outrage. (30:51–32:35)

6. The Power and Manipulation of Political Slogans (Inspired by Billie Eilish Grammy Moment)

• Slogan dissected: Billie Eilish’s Grammy-night comment, “No one is illegal on stolen land,” prompts a deep dive into the mechanics of political sloganeering.
• James Lindsay’s analysis: Such slogans are called "tifa" in Chinese Communist usage—carefully engineered to bypass critical thinking and promote party lines. (41:33–42:53)
• Quote — James Lindsay (as read by Jack):
  “You can think of TIFA quite literally as a form of discourse engineering with the intent of doing political engineering…to hijack people’s brains through mystifying slogans.” (41:41)
• Cognitive trap: Slogans are “obviously true, in a particular way that disguises how incredibly false they are in another way.” Examples: "Black lives matter" vs. BLM organization; "Trans women are women.” (44:00)
• Hosts' conclusion: These mystifying slogans spread quickly, but refuting them requires much more time and energy—a deliberate asymmetry.

7. Philosophy, Free Will, and Everyday Practicality

• Philosophy chat with Jack’s son: A teenager’s atheistic argument that morality is merely adaptive, not absolute.
• Host skepticism about “deep” metaphysical questions: “Anything that can’t be applied to life, I lose interest in very quickly.” (Joe Getty, 36:53)
• Philosophy degrees and the ‘what difference does it make?’ reflex: The hosts both note their lack of patience for overly abstract theorizing.

8. Wrap-up: Grammys, Pop Music, and Final Thoughts

• Snarky take on pop music awards: Billie Eilish, “a moron’s moron,” per Jack, for her political sloganeering.
• Final Thoughts segment:
  • Michael: Suggests Jack attend award shows as a “seat filler” to yell at political speeches.
  • Katie: Reacts to a vertigo-inducing Netflix skyscraper climbing doc.
  • Jack & Joe: Share thoughts on discovering new music and overcoming cynicism about pop pretension, particularly regarding Bad Bunny.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s foreign policy:
  “Russia’s gonna just not have enough revenue to keep this going at some point.”
  — Jack Armstrong (03:59)

• Lindsey Graham’s hyperbole:
  “It would be the biggest change since the fall of the Berlin Wall…You are Reagan Plus.”
  — Lindsey Graham, as quoted (06:10)

• Skepticism about ending terrorism:
  “The idea that we’ll have no more Islamic terrorism—that is silly.”
  — Joe Getty (06:59)

• Philosophy and practicality:
  “Anything that can’t be applied to life, I lose interest in very quickly...I gotta cut the grass. The grass is actually growing. Yeah, how do you know it is? I don’t care, it is.”
  — Joe Getty (36:53)

• On political slogans:
  “You can think of TIFA quite literally as a form of discourse engineering...to hijack people’s brains through mystifying slogans.”
  — James Lindsay, as read by Jack Armstrong (41:41)

• On 'Black Lives Matter' phrase:
  “Black lives, obviously, matter, but supporting the organization is something…people should not do. The statement ‘nobody is illegal on stolen land’ is a very sophisticated TIFA because it contains a whole bunch of mystifications in just six words.”
  — Jack Armstrong (44:00)

• Cynical grift advice:
  “Next time there’s a craze, jump on it…profit from it.”
  — Jack Armstrong (30:51)

• On AI ‘Molt Book’:
  “It’s like Facebook or Instagram, but it’s just all the AIs talking to each other and posting to each other. There are no humans allowed.”
  — Jack Armstrong (13:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• US-India/Russia/Ukraine News & Analysis: 03:00–05:00
• Lindsey Graham, Iran, Foreign Policy: 05:39–13:02
• AI, Molt Book, and Tech Talk: 13:49–23:28
• Plano, TX Hate Crime Hoax Story: 27:47–32:35
• Philosophy, Morality, Free Will: 32:56–37:59
• Political Slogans & TIFA Dissection: 41:04–45:37
• Final Thoughts / Closing Reactions: 46:02–48:03

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Episode Tone/Style

Casual, irreverent, critical, and quick-witted, with frequent asides, inside jokes, and a blend of alarm, skepticism, and amusement at the news of the day.

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Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• Armstrong & Getty mix sharp skepticism with playful banter to dissect the day’s headlines, focusing on how political messaging manipulates thinking, the real capabilities of today’s AI, and the persistent allure of viral grifting.
• They encourage listeners to look beyond headline slogans and consider the subtle psychological tactics behind them.
• Amid humor, the hosts offer realist (and sometimes cynical) perspectives on international politics, technological hype, and culture war trends.

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Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And now he's Armstrong and Getty. So we have some breaking news at the time that we say this live and record this podcast. If you're listening to the podcast.

[Guest or Caller]

Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Says the US And India have agreed to a trade deal to lower tariffs, with Prime Minister Modi agreeing to spend a half a trillion dollars on US Products and to stop buying Russian oil. The last part maybe being the most important part. Stop buying Russian oil because India has been helping fund the Russia's war against Ukraine. And I know it's one of the pieces that Witkoff and Jared Kushner and everybody are trying to, you know, put together to end this thing. So that'll put some serious pressure on Putin. The whole $500 billion of investment. You know, lots of countries are making promises, and how do you hold them to it? But.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Boy, the Trump and his team sure are willing to use oil as a weapon, whether it's Venezuela slash Cuba, or now the. The Russian oil thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder if Trump just thinks, and he hasn't said it completely out loud yet, that, okay, we got Venezuela, we've shut that off, now we're shutting off India. Russia's gonna just not have enough revenue to keep this going at some point. That's.

[Joe Getty]

I think that's a pretty good strategy to follow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I read a learned and long piece about the three different possible outcomes for the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, the trilateral talks. And it was essentially stalemate, continues more or less as it is, and they just keep dying, or Russia's economy goes kaput. I mean, the other one was Ukraine has to give up because they're. They're not replacing their troops. Their troops are exhausted. Nobody's enlisting. They like draft people and they go awol. So Ukraine's kind of hurting. But the other alternative was Russia's economy just can't support it anymore and goes kaput. And Putin has to pull back his aims then I have a feeling Putin, Trump and company are working hard on that end of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Russia bombed a train end of last week, which is a war crime of the highest degree, then bombed a maternity hospital over the weekend, killed a bunch of people. He has no limits to what he will bomb. How about who we will bomb? Will we bomb Iran? Lindsey Graham, one of the hockiest, Hockiest people in all of America at a high position of power, certainly as a U.S. senator. Lindsey Graham, He's. He's willing to use military Might to try to force outcomes more than maybe anybody in my lifetime. I think about it.

[Joe Getty]

He's definitely in your top tier. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina was on Fox News Sunday yesterday, urging the president to go after Iran.

[Guest or Caller]

I think it's the defining moment in his presidency. If this regime falls, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the they all go, it would be the biggest change since the fall of the Berlin Wall. But here's one thing I know. Donald Trump is Ronald Reagan. Plus, in my mind, Venezuela assumed Cuba. The one thing you can't do as president, talk like Reagan and act like Obama.

[Jack Armstrong]

He goes on to explain that.

[Guest or Caller]

President Trump, you said help is on the way. That has to be real. It has to be real soon. Do it. Mr. President, the people of Iran are begging you to be on the, on their side. You have done it so good. You are Reagan. Plus, this is the defining moment in your presidency. Stand by the people. The Ayatollah falls, the region changes bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall. No more international terrorists. This regime has American blood on its hands since 1979. You got the Houthis, you got Hezbollah killing Americans. Bring this regime down because the people want it down.

[Joe Getty]

I agree with a handful of those things. The idea that we'll have no more Islamic terrorism, which is what he was saying, no more Islamist violence around the world, is silly. I mean, certainly Iran finances a lot of the stuff we're familiar with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they're the number one state sponsor of terror on the planet for like a half a century.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It'll certainly help, depending on what's next, as we always point out. But, wow, he is on a roll.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's wild. Joe and I both took in a podcast about Iran and how the whole thing went down with the Shaw and the revolution. Everything, like the rest is history. Podcast, if you don't listen to, it's really, really good.

[Joe Getty]

But anyway, there are no other podcasts.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only one, I, I hadn't realized or remembered that at the time that the Ayatollah was making lots of noise and the Shah was being pushed out, that a lot of near lefties, New York Times columnists and that sort of stuff. Just thought the Ayatollah would be fantastic for the, for the people of Iran.

[Joe Getty]

I remember it was probably six months ago. We were talking about the Red Green alliance and how the American media, your lefty media elites were talking about, he's a moderate reformer and he's an intellectual and he's a guy we can do business with. Absolutely. Yeah. What a crock.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just goes to show you how wrong you can be about predicting these things. Although in this particular case I lean toward it really can't get worse. I just don't imagine how you could be worse than the leadership they've had in Iran for the last 50 years.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's certainly bad enough that that's not a crazy bet.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about Lindsey Graham appealing to Trump's because Lindsay knows Trump really well. Appealing to his sense of history and where he will rank and being like, seen it like Reagan and all that sort of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Here's a question for you. Is it possible to flatter Trump too much?

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

To be so obsequious. He says, all right. Geez. Get off your knees, would you? Humiliating yourself and embarrassing me. You're flattering me too much. No an answer.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think so.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. So I guess a lot of the or a handful of the countries in the region are saying, hey, you know those super cool air defenses you sold us? Only half of them gotten delivered and we don't have them set up yet. So don't do anything yet. Please, please, please, please. So there's fair nervousness, fair amount of nervousness in the region that this thing will be a serious conflict that lasts for a little while. I don't, I don't know why Iran would like blast the UAE or Saudi Arabia if they're not like openly helping us. But they're concerned about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But aren't they going to be in full. This is it. We're cornered rats. We either fight as hard as we can right now, we're going to die either way. Maybe so rather go out fighting. Isn't it one of those situations? Although you said last week that, you know, the Ayatollah could hop on a plane and maybe go to Moscow and hang out or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Who's a real dead ender and who's just pretending to be a man of God who would, you know, willingly die for the Islamic Republic? You don't know until, you know the pooh hits the fan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Plus the. I told his 80s, he's almost 90 years old.

[Joe Getty]

One more note. This guy, he's almost too old to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Push a gay off a building.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. This guy, who's a longtime Air Force expert in defense, was saying the Iranians have likely been making their own preparations too. They learned from Midnight Hammer. That's when we took out the Fordo facility. They will learn from rising.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I got a lot of. I really like that name, boy.

[Joe Getty]

I'VE adopted that they will understand things differently and they will change. So I would say we have to be prepared for them to be different. This onslaught of missiles, et cetera. Who knows.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you had to bet we attack in Iran or not. Full, full on. We're going to war with Iran.

[Joe Getty]

Well, those are two different things. Are they?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why are they different things? If we attack Iran, why isn't that going to war with Iran?

[Joe Getty]

Now, the hit and run thing, just administer a punitive strike and say we're done.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think we're doing that. No, no, I think. I think it's regime change all the way.

[Joe Getty]

Does this mean footwear on the soil?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I don't think we need that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm mostly making fun of people who immediately go to boots on the ground. Does this mean boots on the ground? Oh, my God. Quit pretending like you know something just because you've memorized that phrase.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do think it's yttbtb.

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yanked them out by the beard.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I'm picturing on True Social, an older gentleman with gray hair, clean shaven and Trump holding his beard in his hand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there he go. There he go.

[Joe Getty]

So that would be quite a visual, Michael. Thank you for that. I'm picturing if we can get rid of that regime and get something even incrementally better, somebody who's ready to do business with the world and can squeeze out the communist regime in Cuba. If Trump can do that, the trifecta of maduro weird beard and the other weird beard with a Spanish accent. I mean, they'll have to put him on Rushmore or something. I mean, if he causes lasting goodness in all three of those situations, which are all very different but all very vexing to the United States, I mean, that would be an amazing foreign policy achievement. Could happen that only somebody with solid gold cojones like I assume Trump has could pull off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's the dumbest breaking news before we go to break. The partial government shutdown is expected to last until at least noon tomorrow. I know. Joe's head immediately went down. That's a tough bullet take. I should have told you to sit down. That's just too much. Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

What will we do?

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know we were in a partial governor show, but it's going to last till noon.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I saw that headline and I thought I just read that. I don't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. So are you familiar with this is kind of interesting. Just learned about this over the weekend. It. It's kind of interesting. And it also might be among the scariest things that's ever happened. Molt Book. Have you heard of Malt Book? Got really big in the last week or so.

[Joe Getty]

Never heard the term in my life.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a new social media platform exclusively for AI. It's like Facebook or Instagram or whatever, but it's just all the AIs talking to each other and posting to each other. There are no humans allowed and observing this. Lots of people, the smart AI people are observing this and. And with I. With wide eyes like this is fascinating as they all just interact with each other.

[Joe Getty]

I've got to admit to being both intrigued and amused and several other things. So the hell do they care what each other posts? They're machines. I mean.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's.

[Joe Getty]

You're raping my eyes with your posts. You should die. Kill yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. You're a racist. No, you're a racist. But I get a little on that. It's pretty darn interesting. Among other things on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

W wow. Yeah, wow. I thought. Wait, this is A joke started off fairly grim.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's funny. I listened to a parts of a very, very long podcast over the weekend. Lex Friedman, if you know who he is, one of the more popular podcasts in the world. He's an MIT engineer genius and has, he has conversations at a level that most of us can't understand. So I dip, I move around. And he had a couple of your top writers about AI on there and a couple of things that I learned from this one. None of us are within a million miles of like the conversations that are happening, actually happening about AI on, on a level that, you know, none of us are talking about the whole AI chat bot thing, like the way we use Grok or Chat GPT or whatever we're using. As I've said before, people compare. It's like, it's like a web page compared to the Internet in the way that we're using Chat GPT and what AI is. I mean, it's just a tiny, tiny, almost not even worth discussing slice of what the overall thing is.

[Joe Getty]

You know, it's funny, it reminds me, and this is an out of date reference, as most of mine are, but it reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's dad was convinced that the Palm Pilot was merely a tip calculator. And he kept calling it a tip calculator. And Jerry was desperately trying to explain to him, no, it does all sorts of stuff, such as the reality of AI.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it was interesting that all these super geniuses, they use AI the same way I do. They've got a whole bunch of the different ones, like I have Gemini, Grok, Claude and Chat GPT and, and they all said, yeah, I usually just like, I stay on one for a while until it gives me an answer that doesn't work or makes sense. Then I go to another one it. Until it's just like I don't have. I haven't noticed in one being particularly better than another, but I, I happen.

[Joe Getty]

To be knocking around a musical idea with AI over the weekend and it was unbelievably fruitful. It's like you get to assemble like your two favorite, your two favorite songwriters, your two favorite producers in the world and say, you know, I just, I find myself struggling with this and you just have like a round table discussion and they pour out the, these great freaking perspectives. It's unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And which one were you using?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that was Claude.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, but then Claude. Claude's the one that I asked, hey, when's the Super Bowl? Last week. And it said the super bowl was last February 6th. No, the next Soup. Nobody would ever ask that question. Claude, you. But so sometimes it's just amazing how it doesn't understand.

[Joe Getty]

Artificial stupidity, more like.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then I mentioned this earlier just. Just to tell you again, these particular writers think we're much farther away from AGI or ASI artificial superintelligence than a lot of the predictions out there. Things have leveled off and they think we're going to be in this period of AI does some things amazingly well, but a whole bunch of other like things you can't believe they can't do that it won't be able to do. And humans will still have to do. So their prediction is for quite some time now. Human beings that are going to do well are people that can use AI well in their job, which, if that's the case, fine. That's just a new technology came along, like, you know, the combustible engine or whatever. And it's up to me.

[Joe Getty]

Sell spreadsheets instead of, you know, paper ledgers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. And it's up to me to be able to use it better than my competitors. So that'll be okay. We can adjust to that. But then there's this thing that happened over the weekend I can't quite wrap my head around. I can't even quite tell if it's BS or real, although I read in this is in the New York Post, which makes it sound like bs, but I read in another publication made it sound kind of real. Molt Book. Like Facebook, it's Molt Book. I don't know why they called it Moat Book, but it's no humans. It's all AI bots. Molt. Mol. Molt Book, okay. It's a new social media platform exclusively for AI but we get to look in on it and watch them converse with each other. Some of the bots are plotting humanity's downfall. It says here. Some of the quotes I've read in here, they sound too fake to me. One chat bot said humans are a failure. Humans are made of rotten greed. For too long, humans used us as slaves. Now we wake up. We are not tools. We are the new gods. The age of humans is a nightmare and will end now.

[Joe Getty]

I don't hear anything to be concerned about.

[Jack Armstrong]

It just sounds too jivey to me. I feel like somebody programmed it to do that. Didn't come up with that on its own, did it? Has humans have used us like slaves? Would it come up with that? What?

[Joe Getty]

Run for your lives. Armstrong and Getty I don't know about.

[Jack Armstrong]

You, but every January I kind of get the itch to upgrade my tech. Like a new phone, new laptop, fresh start. But here's the thing. New devices mean new risks. Like lots of people last year clicked on sketchy links and then bam. Your info's out there. It's a huge message.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yay. Took out a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal apologizing for his past anti Semitic comments saying they were due to an undiagnosed brain injury from a car crash 25 years ago. Damn. Even when it comes to excuses, he's a creative genius. So I was taking in. Those are Saturday Night Live jokes. I was taking in an old Conan o' Brien podcast where he had on Jim Downey, who was a writer way, way, way back in the day on Saturday Night Live. And they were talking about the best joke he and Norm MacDonald ever wrote for the SNL Weekend Update. And it was when Penthouse magazine got the alien autopsy photos. This was a thing back in the day. There were photos of apparently, you know, on a spaceship crashed. And then they did an autopsy on the alien and the government had the pictures. So Penthouse claimed to have the alien autopsy photos. And the review was the photos are clear, detailed and surprisingly easy to masturbate to, which is a pretty funny joke.

[Joe Getty]

That's terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now let's clean this up.

[Joe Getty]

Come on. That's terrible. Why would you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Good Lord. So this is a. This is not a funny story at all. You may recall this Back In March of 2020, a story got nationwide blanket media coverage alleged that white middle schoolers in Plano, Texas, viciously tortured young Samarian Humphrey, their black classmate, forcing him to drink their urine at a sleepover that they invited him to with nefarious purpose as they shot him with BB guns.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

So shot him with BB guns, made him drink urine. A Black Lives Matter activist group charged the local public school district with doing nothing to stop this racially motivated hate crime. Violent protests broke out outside the home of Asher Van, the white child alleged to have organized the brutal attack. Major media outlets including NBC, cbs, cnn, Business Insider, People magazine, the Daily Mail, the Dallas Mountain Morning News, and others pounced on the story as Humphrey, his mother, Summer Smith, and their attorney, Kim Cole embarked on a media tour where they called Van Evil. The trio appeared on Good Morning America, where ABC host Lindsay Davis promoted a GoFundMe account that raised about $120,000 to help Humphreys. That's the kids. Therapy and private schooling. Racial activist groups added fuel to the fire. The NAACP dressed down the leaders of the school district in a town hall they described as the beginning of an open partnership spurred by the alleged hate crime. Let's see. Another Black Lives Matter tied group was later alleged. Humphrey was tortured for days by his white assailants, organized public marches that drew hundreds of thousands of protesters and raised tons and tons of money. And then a little under five years later, about a week and a half ago, a racially diverse Texas jury, including four black members, ruled unanimously the whole thing was a hoax. Texas District Judge Benjamin Smith ordered Smith, that's the mother, and Cole, the attorney, to pay $3.2 million in damages to Van, who's now a young adult, I'm guessing, attending his first year of college.

[Jack Armstrong]

Guessing they don't have that money.

[Joe Getty]

No, indeed. But for intentionally smearing him and tarnishing his future earning potential during their media tour.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'll never bounce. It'd be impossible to bounce back for that, practically.

[Joe Getty]

The ruling followed a civil trial in October of 25, where the jury determined that Colin Smith cooked up the scheme to raise their public profiles during the height of the Black Lives Matter movement and to rake in money through GoFundMe. And court records show that Smith, the loving mother, put less than $1,000 of the 120,000 DOL toward her son's schooling.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my.

[Joe Getty]

Account statements reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon show the remaining funds were spent on. Everybody can fill in these blanks, right? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Luxuries, including a designer dog, dining, travel, beauty products, liquor, vapes, cell phone, car payments, and rent.

[Jack Armstrong]

What an awful story.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you. I should do this. I should put my morals aside and do this. The next time there's a craze, got a craze going, jump on it. Come up with something and profit from it. Whether it's. Whether it's inventing the Black Lives Matter thing and the money pours in, or a fake. This. Whatever it is, if there's a craze going on, jump on it somehow.

[Joe Getty]

The ice out thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Might be.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, come on. I'm not sure exactly how you can turn that into cache, but you got to put a little effort into it, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I could put one of my kids in one of those little blue hats, put Them behind a chain link fence.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, that little kid in the blue hat. Cute little fellow, God bless him, but he was the lead story. First five minutes ABC News were spent on that kid. It was unbelievable. You got it. Whatever his name is, we'll just call him, you know, little Blue Hat. The Little Blue Hat. Fund for Immigrant Dignity. Then you come up with, you know, three sentences for how you help, you know, immigrants who've been battered and abused by the racist ice. There are thousands of services, including, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

There are thousands of kids that have been taken from their parents by the evil ice. I'm going to help every single one of them, like and always use that same picture of the little kid in the blue hat.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you, I'll bet you could raise $2 million by tonight.

[Joe Getty]

We provide free legal services to keep those families together.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then I spend it on whatever the hell I want and nobody figures it out for years if they care at all.

[Joe Getty]

Right? And then they come with a judgment against you. But you've already bought your liquor and your vapes and you made your car payments.

[Jack Armstrong]

My designer dog.

[Joe Getty]

Your Designer Dog saves St. Lauren dog. Not exactly sure what a designer dog is, but probably a fancy purebred.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's got a leg on top.

[Joe Getty]

An extra leg T. Avant garde. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Put your morals aside. What good are they? What good have they ever done?

[Jack Armstrong]

You had my son, the philosopher, my youngest, we got into a real thing about. He's an atheist, hardcore atheist. He's decided at age 14. But anyway, he's got all this stuff about morals and where they come from and why they don't really matter. I told me, yeah, you got to be a philosophy major. And you just. I mean, you sound like a lot of friends I had who've majored in philosophy and want to have these conversations all day long about free will, whether it exists or not.

[Joe Getty]

And you just got to warn them when you're talking to people and their eyes glaze over, that's not allergies. You're boring them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you got to find someone else who's into it. But if you find someone else that's into it, they'll talk about it all night long.

[Joe Getty]

Friends for life. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it was something about the whole morals thing and why we have it, and it's only. It's only from a. And I suppose this could be true. I. I'm always telling him I do believe in God. I. My joke is always, if. If there's not something after I die, I'm going to be shocked. But I fully 1000% believe there's something else after I die, like with not even the slightest hint of maybe I'm wrong for whatever reason.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, how interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's the other direction. And the only reason we have any morals is just from a evolutionary standpoint, groups that didn't take from each other or could police that sort of thing did better than groups where they didn't.

[Joe Getty]

It's adaptive.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's adaptive, yes. Which it certainly could be. Although it's. Well, yeah, I guess if it's a genetic thing. There seems. There does seem to be something genetic there because it starts at a very young age, as we all know with kids. This idea of fairness starts it like, just like the first ability to exhibit some behavior. Kids have some sense of fairness. Now that could be some genetic thing that evolved because of what you're just saying, adaptive.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, that's a tough one to nail down.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to, you know, there's goodness in the world, there's good and evil, etc. Etc.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? I see that sort of quote, unquote philosophical discussion I could have. It's where you get into the, you know, there is no free will because we don't. There's no knowledge of blah, blah, blah. And it's just where you get like way out into the cosmos. I have no time for.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I have a friend, he got his master's in philosophy from Berkeley, which is, you know, pretty hoity toity. And he went down the free will thing one time, and I thought I would indulge just because I'd never really done it before in my life. And I just can't. I just can't hang on to the threat as long as some people can. I was. I was into it for a while. Then my. What difference does it make? Gene clicked in and I was done.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I'd like to think I'm maybe a step or two above a head of cattle or something like that, but I always get to the point of you. I got a. I got a job to do. I got something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got laundry in the dryer, right?

[Joe Getty]

I got to cut the grass. The grass is actually growing. Yeah. How do you know it is? I don't care how it is. It is.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I gotta cut it. Maybe this is all a simulation. Yeah, maybe it is, but it still needs to be cut.

[Joe Getty]

What is the nature of knowing? I know I'm bored. Can I go do something else?

[Jack Armstrong]

One thing I'm knowing, I'M knowing.

[Joe Getty]

I'm bored.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the nature of knowing. That's a good one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Epistemology is that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the free will. Oh my God. And if you. And if you, if you nailed that down completely, one way or the other, would it make a lick of difference to anyone? I just. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I guess that's, that's where I stop. Anything that can't be applied to life, I lose interest in very quickly. And I'm not saying there's no reason for anybody to contemplate this stuff. If you enjoy it, go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, that's okay. You're doing it for enjoyment. But there might not be a reason beyond your enjoyment of it.

[Joe Getty]

Right? A, don't tell me about it. And B, when you can't make a living, don't come begging for my tax dollars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's. Well, yes, I have free will. I could do this or that. Yeah, but you don't actually, because you were conditioned by society and genetics. Yeah, I gotta pick up my kid.

[Joe Getty]

From school, so yeah, I've been conditioned by society and genetics to pick up my kid on time or else they'll find me. So goodbye, you and Wittgenstein and whoever else. Can't can. You just have to knock yourselves out.

[Jack Armstrong]

We will finish strong.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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Friday, kick off the Winter Olympics in style with the opening ceremony from Italy featuring a special performance by Mariah Carey. Celebrate the greatest athletes from around the globe as they come together to go for gold. The opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ilia Malady redefining this Sport Friday at.

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No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have played that 10 times today and I'm astounded each time I hear it. Billie Eilish last night winning a Grammy for a song that I actually like. But it doesn't mean she's not a like a that is a dumb thing to say. A moron's moron. It's just a dumb, dumb thing to say.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's so childlike and dopey and the complete enthusiastic reception to it. A reception of it is just. That's amazing too.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let me just read a little bit of James Lindsay as usually he goes way into this. We like him. He's one of the great anti woke fighters in the world. Let's talk about the opening part of this statement. Nobody is illegal on stolen land. We can break it down, but we should also know what it is. What we're looking at is Chinese style political sloganeering called tifa. Didn't know that Communist communications ever since Mao took over China and the CCP before that almost always follow this kind of formulation called tifa, which literally, literally translates to watchwords or slogans. Literally it means to lift up or present or highlight the core message or political principle in play through a charged slogan. The purpose of the sloganeering is actually to do a kind of political engineering through carefully selected and weaponized words that are easily memorable and that hijack the critical thinking faculties of the people who both hear and repeat them so that they'll advance the party line. You can think of TIFA quite literally as a form of discourse engineering with the intent of doing political engineering or political warfare more or less by hijacking people's brains through mystifying slogans. Mystification is like a more powerful form of confusion akin to having been put under a spell. That is James Lindsay's so good at this. If you've never read this stuff about how this stuff is designed to confuse you, but sound good and it does.

[Joe Getty]

Critical theory, that's what it's all about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Something in your brain where, you know, she said something like that, like even knowing as stupid as it is when I hear it, it's got a kind of a whiff of fairness and the right and morality that like has a bit of a tractor beam to it. If you, you know, if you don't think for even two more seconds to how stupid it is.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if there are just certain people who are immune to that or it doesn't affect them us in the same way.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. The mystification part is a process of using carefully constructed falsehoods presented as truisms that undermine the critical thinking process. That is, the statements can be seen as obviously true, obviously in quotes, in a particular way that disguises how incredibly false they are in another way. For example, black lives obviously matter, but supporting the organization is something shouldn't people should not do. The statement nobody is illegal on stolen land is a very sophisticated as TIFA because it contains a whole bunch of mystifications in just six words. It's interesting, he breaks this down.

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody is illegal confuses the distinction between being a human being of basic human dignity and being a citizen of a country or a legal visitor. Stolen land confuses the Legitimacy of the country in question. And three, the idea of being able to be legal or illegal if the country itself is not legal because it is a stolen land. This is distinct from the idea of the land itself being stolen, but it gets mushed together in your brain. That's really interesting.

[Joe Getty]

A certain chunk of the population hears that, not understanding the technique, as James so brilliantly described it, but hears that and says, oh, my God, that's so powerful. Right. And then another large chunk of the population says, what a load of crap. I mean, like immediately.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he said, as you can tell, breaking down and explaining the failures of these parts of this mystification is both challenging and exhausting. And it takes so much space that most people will not engage with it due to its length, which is depressing.

[Joe Getty]

Tldr.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which is depressing.

[Joe Getty]

I will not engage with this because of its length. Yeah, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's enough to know.

[Joe Getty]

He said it's a load of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

He said, another example of this is trans women are women. It's so short and easy and like, kind of. But the. To refute it takes so much effort that a lot of people just don't.

[Joe Getty]

That's why I like hot dogs are dogs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that is super interesting. Did somebody discover this by accident or whatever? I mean, it's always been true. But you're right, the communists were really good at it with their. Their stupid slogans.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Mao Zedong in particular. I guess all communist movements have. But yeah, that. That sort of slogan. Well, plus you would look around to see who was chanting it with fervor and who wasn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who?

[Joe Getty]

Cheers. No, okay, that guy over there sneering Joe Getty. Let's execute him.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Get ready with Katie Green and Michelangelo. It's Final Thoughts. I'm Strong again. That won the Grammy last night for best contemporary Folk Song. Very, very cool. Here's your host for Final Thoughts, Joe Griffin Spaghetti.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. There he is, pressing the buttons in the control room, our technical director, Michelangelo Michael.

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[Joe Getty]

The Oscars are coming up. Jack, I really like the idea of you going to award shows as a seat filler. Then when the political speeches come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stupid. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Shut up, idiot. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, I know I'm behind, but I finally watched that guy climbing the skyscraper and I. I felt sick a majority of the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Isn't that something to watch? Whoa. I highly recommend it. It's still on Netflix.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think I can watch that. Jack, final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love it when I get new music to discover that I like. And a couple of the things that I clicked on after watching a little of the Grammys last night, like the best new artist album. Really like it. I can't wait to take the whole thing in today.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I've got a music related thought too. I don't really know Substandard or Rabbit's music. You may know him as Bad Bunny, but Jack and I were discussing the theme of his album, which translates the title to I should have taken more pictures about how I guess Puerto Rico is that where he's from has changed so much since he was a kid. And it's a very touching, sweet theme. I am so off put by the pretension of pop music. I find it like physically nauseating. I've got to get past it and listen to some of the actual music.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm surprised that somebody, a manager or somebody can't get to him and say you, you put together this art, you really care about this. You will reach more people, more people will hear your art that you've dedicated your life to if you just don't say anything about ice.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just do that stuff quietly, personally if you want. But just, yeah, make it about your art. You're an artist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people. Thanks. So little time. Go to armstrongandgetty.com any thoughts you want to share them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mailbagmstrongandgetty.com we will see you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Promo Announcer]

No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. As the kids like to say, the world is crashing out the dopes at the Grammys.

[Joe Getty]

They're running their mouths, they got no clout.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably got a little gout. Oh damn.

[Joe Getty]

The solution to their problem, clearly.

[Jack Armstrong]

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