A New Level Of Soft

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: A New Level Of Soft
Date: April 14, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

Episode Overview

In this episode, Armstrong and Getty deep-dive into the backlash surrounding a viral image of Donald Trump depicted as Jesus, dissecting the reactions from religious leaders, the media, and their own listeners. The hosts debate Trump’s relationship with religion and his political strategy, explore broader free speech issues, and critique recent cultural commentary in mainstream media. The episode also touches on current U.S.-Iran relations, the geopolitics of China and Taiwan, and listener feedback—always with their trademark blend of cynicism, humor, and irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s “Jesus Image” and Religious Backlash

[03:45–07:12]

• Media Uproar: Joe Getty introduces the controversy: “Trump now facing widespread backlash. American Catholic leaders condemning his comments. Bishop Robert Barron… calling them entirely inappropriate and disrespectful.” (03:45)
• The conversation centers on a viral image Trump posted showing himself in Jesus-like robes, laying hands on a sick man, with figures like the Statue of Liberty and bald eagles ornamenting the scene.
• Jack Armstrong questions the extent of coverage: “If you watch Fox mostly, maybe you didn’t see the story. I don’t know. Has everybody seen the picture of Trump dressed as Jesus...?” (04:22)
• Joe Getty describes the over-the-top elements and the symbolic heft of the image (04:39–04:58)

2. Religious Right’s Reaction

[05:08–06:49]

• Getty relays scathing responses from religious leaders—John Yep (“We are a little bit beside ourselves… sadness and frustration.”) and Rod Dreher (“Not saying Trump is the Antichrist, but he’s radiating the spirit of the Antichrist, no question.”) (05:37)
• Armstrong and Getty agree that the image is at least “offensive” and likely “blasphemous,” though Armstrong distances himself from apocalyptic language.
• They underscore the unique offense taken by usually staunch Trump supporters in religious communities.

3. Trump’s Explanation and Armstrong & Getty’s Analysis

[06:53–08:54]

• Trump’s defense (audio clip): “I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross… I make people a lot better.” (07:12)
• Armstrong and Getty are deeply skeptical:
  • Joe Getty: “Trump doesn’t know it’s blasphemous because he’s an atheist lifelong, has no idea of Christianity or Christian iconography...” (07:39)
  • Jack Armstrong: “He looked at that thing for like a half a second thought, oh, here’s me healing somebody. That’s a good thing to post.” (07:59)
• Getty draws a parallel to being unfamiliar with Hindu iconography—how cultural ignorance can cause inadvertent offense. (08:05)

4. Is Trump Actually Religious? Or Is It All Pandering?

[08:54–11:56]

• Both hosts agree Trump isn’t truly religious, viewing religious voters as a political bloc to manipulate.
  • Armstrong: “I think Trump...thought there are a whole bunch of religious dumb people out there, that if I could harness those millions of people, that would be a very powerful political block...” (09:01)
• Getty reads a thoughtful Christian listener’s email, offering pragmatic voting logic: “Often we must not vote for a man, but against a man… you have to vote against a man or woman who is going to take you the fastest toward the loss of economic freedoms.” (10:48)
• Discussion of the Democratic Party’s own forays into “false doctrine” in Black churches, per the listener’s email (11:45)

5. Cynicism About Politicians & Tribal Politics

[12:23–15:12]

• Armstrong: “I don’t have much respect for politicians in general...I assume they’re all just doing whatever they got to do to stay in office.” (11:56)
• They argue for judging policies case-by-case, not idolizing leaders: “Why you have to declare politicians God of all people, like all good or all bad?” (13:53)
• Getty adds: “It’s a tribal thing...You got to show your tribe, I’m part of you, I’m with you…that’s not what we do around here. We just try to call them as we see him.” (14:25)

6. Free Speech: Christianity vs. Other Religions

[18:31–21:24]

• The hosts vent frustration over what they see as a double standard—AI and Western laws will refuse to allow depictions of Muhammad but freely mock Christianity.
  • Armstrong: “At least Christianity is a religion where you have a discussion about this and condemn it as opposed to vow to kill the person...” (18:51)
  • Getty: “So the religion that will kill you for it gets protected on ChatGPT. That which will forgive you and pray for you. Make all the fun of them you want.” (19:11)
• They lament Western secular authorities limiting speech about Islam (Finland, Australia), while Christian expression (even quoting the Bible) is criminalized in places abroad.

7. Mainstream Media & Cultural “Softness”

[21:24–24:13; 27:36–29:21]

• Satirical rundown of “a new level of soft” examples from the New York Times:
  • Article on why lower birth rates are “a good thing”
  • Profile of a debt-dodging grad calling $60/month payments “psychologically burdensome” (23:32)
• Getty: “A new level of soft.” (23:32)
• Review of cultural criticism: Negative film reviews for not being “despairing enough about climate change”; “horticultural debauchery” novels. (27:36–29:21)
• Armstrong: “What, as opposed to what economic system that you think is better?” (23:58)

8. Iran Nuclear Deal & Geopolitical Analysis

[29:21–38:19]

• Armstrong gives an extended summary of the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA), including its inspection loopholes and why some view it as fatally flawed.
  • “So your kid is doing drugs...you make an agreement...but he says, I’ll…only agree…if I am given a three week warning before you search my room.” (33:01)
• Both hosts argue the agreement was naïve; Trump’s withdrawal reflected skepticism about Iran’s willingness to comply (32:21–34:09)
• Broader discussion about Chinese deterrence vis-à-vis Taiwan and how US involvement with Iran may embolden adversaries. (36:19–38:19)

9. Listener Texts: Fried Chicken, Springsteen, & Trump Debate

[42:50–49:45]

• Armstrong derides the “personality” who must rain on others’ enjoyment (“I saw Bruce Springsteen…Worst concert I’ve ever been to.” (43:17)), comparing it to “fried chicken sucks” reactions (44:43).
• Returns to Trump: Listeners criticize Armstrong & Getty as “ignorant” on Trump and religion, others suggest “God put him in that position,” and some defend or minimize the offense taken at the image (45:39–47:39).
• Armstrong summarizes, reading Mark Halpern: “Trump did some trolling with that pick, for sure. People still don’t get Trump’s game of just stirring s--- up...so he’s the story.” (48:10)
• Discussion closes with a reflection on why some people feel compelled to undermine others’ happiness.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Trump Jesus Meme:

  • “Over the top is not a strong enough phrase.” — Joe Getty (04:58)
  • “Trump doesn't know it's blasphemous because he's an atheist lifelong, has no idea of Christianity or Christian iconography or images.” — Joe Getty (07:39)
  • “He thinks people like me and my family are dumb people that he can manipulate into following him. That's what I think his political idea was.” — Jack Armstrong (09:01)

• On Voting Pragmatism:

  • “Often we must not vote for a man, but against a man. In a post Christian world, you have to vote against a man or woman who is going to take you the fastest toward the loss of economic freedoms.” — Listener Steve, quoted by Joe Getty (10:48)

• On Tribalism:

  • “It's a tribal thing...You gotta have, you know, solidity, you’ve gotta have loyalty. Well, that's not what we do around here. We just try to call them as we see him.” — Joe Getty (14:25)

• On Double Standards & Free Speech:

  • “At least Christianity is a religion where you have a discussion about this and condemn it as opposed to vow to kill the person and carve out their eyeball 30 years later or whatever.” — Jack Armstrong (18:51)
  • “So the religion that will kill you for it gets protected on ChatGPT. That which will forgive you and pray for you. Make all the fun of them you want.” — Joe Getty (19:11)

• On a “New Level of Soft”:

  • “A 37-year-old who'd borrowed $65,000 to get a master's degree in historic preservation before moving to Prague and defaulting because the $60 per month repayment was too, quote, psychologically burdensome.” — Joe Getty (23:32)

• On Iran Nuclear Deal:

  • “If you were to quote the Apostle Paul...you will be breaking the law in Finland.” — Joe Getty (19:31)
  • “That's what the JCPOA was. Whenever you hear it referenced, that's what the agreement was.” — Jack Armstrong (33:58)

• On Critiquing Others’ Joy:

  • “The something you like I don’t prefer, so I’ve got to tell you how much it sucks. Personality.” — Jack Armstrong (43:23)
  • “At its root when people do that, is it because they’re unhappy that someone else is happy?” — Jack Armstrong (49:36)
  • “Yeah, that’s a big part of it.” — Joe Getty (49:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump as Jesus image controversy: 03:45–06:49
• Trump’s reaction and hosts’ religious analysis: 06:53–08:54
• Armstrong & Getty on Trump’s religious authenticity: 08:54–11:56
• Listener email (“vote against a man”): 10:48–11:56
• Tribalism and politician cynicism: 12:23–15:12
• Free speech, Christianity vs. other religions: 18:31–21:24
• New York Times & “level of soft” culture: 21:24–24:13
• Cultural criticism and media review: 27:36–29:21
• Iran nuclear deal deep-dive: 29:21–34:09
• Geopolitics: Iran, China, Taiwan: 36:19–38:19
• Listener texts and reflections on human behavior: 42:50–49:45

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Tone & Style

• Informal, irreverent, and cynical, with a penchant for satire and cultural critique.
• Willing to challenge “tribal” thinking on both sides and poke fun at themselves and their audience.
• Open to nuanced positions: critical of Trump’s antics even while admitting to voting for him over Democratic rivals; critical of the left’s own religious pandering as well.

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For listeners seeking a brisk, skeptical, sometimes humorous tour through politics, culture, and media—grounded in case-by-case analysis rather than blind loyalty—this episode hits all the Armstrong & Getty hallmarks.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now he here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Trump now facing widespread backlash. American Catholic leaders condemning his comments. Bishop Robert Barron, who sits on the president's own Religious Liberty Commission, calling them entirely inappropriate and disrespectful. And he says Trump should apologize.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, is that apologizing to the pope about saying he's a bad pope or whatever? Or is this about the picture that he put out?

[Joe Getty]

I think it's all about the Trump as Jesus picture.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what percentage of y' all out there listening have seen that? I was just wondering, did Fox do this story at all yesterday?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah, I think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because you know how we're also bubbled. If you, if you watch Fox mostly, maybe you didn't see the story. I don't know. Has everybody seen the picture of Trump dressed as Jesus putting his hand on a sick man? I don't know if you know anything about the Bible stories, but it's kind of a Jesus thing.

[Joe Getty]

Wearing robes that are like every single picture of Jesus and, you know, soldier angels with wings looking on from above approvingly with light radiating from his hands

[Jack Armstrong]

with the Statue of Liberty behind him. Bald eagles flying over.

[Joe Getty]

Bald eagle, that's correct. At least one bald eagle. I mean, over the top is not a strong enough face.

[Jack Armstrong]

So is your sense from following the news because it's tough because the mainstream media, which does not care about offending Christians. Oh my God, I love how you all of a sudden you're really concerned Christians are offended. Give me a break.

[Joe Getty]

Bunch of New York atheists, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

But they love driving a wedge between, you know, Trump supporters and Trump. But is your sense that some people that are normally willing to forgive most things with Trump didn't dig this?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, 100%. There are a bunch of folks on the religious right who are out. Here's John Yep. CEO of Catholics for Catholics, a nonprofit that's hosted faith events at Mar a Lago, maintains close ties to the administration. We are a little bit beside ourselves, he said around the table he was at when it came out. It was one of sadness because we were truly confused by this president after Catholics gave him such a resounding vote, yet he is treating our faith with such disrespect at this moment. We are all feeling sadness and frustration. Rod Dreher, conservative writer who attended the Catholic baptism of J.D. vance before he entered politics, said, not saying Trump is the Antichrist, but he's radiating the spirit of the Antichrist, no question. The leader, the co founder of the Calvinist denomination that Pete Hegseth belongs to, called the image blasphemous. And that's a sampling.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I don't get into the Antichrist part of it. And blasphemy, it's certainly offensive.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, or it's ridiculous.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

And I think for, for what I want to say, it would be helpful to play Trump first.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Totally up to you if we do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or so Trump must have felt like it bothered some of the people he normally, you know, can count on. Anyway, this was his explanation for the photo yesterday.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross, as a Red Cross worker there, which we support. And only the fake news could come up with that one. So I, I had, I just heard about it and I said, how do they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better.

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe your take on this. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Trump doesn't know it's blasphemous because he's an atheist lifelong, has no idea of Christianity or Christian iconography or images. He has no idea that's portraying Jesus

[Jack Armstrong]

because he's never given it a second

[Joe Getty]

thought in his entire life. And he's been pandering to the religious right for their votes.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Bible, he looked at that thing for like a half a second thought, oh, here's me healing somebody. That's a good thing to post.

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[Joe Getty]

He's totally unfamiliar with it. It's like, I Had a friend who was Indian in. In high school. His family was from India, and I visited his home on a few occasions. And some of the religious iconography there was completely foreign to me. And I could easily have made some sort of joke or whatever about the multi armed blue lady or whatever. I can't remember precisely what it was. Wow. And they'd have been like, dude, that is our holiest symbol. That's not cool. And I would have been, well, unlike Trump, I would have said, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, I had no idea. Trump, of course, never admits to a mistake. So he handled it the way he did. I will say, nobody's gonna be talking about this in a week. We have a history making transitional war in the Middle east going on. I've said my piece. This is the way I see it.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I've never believed for a single

[Joe Getty]

second Trump gave a damn about Christianity or the Bible. The Bible?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I don't think he does either. That has been my belief from the beginning. I don't remember if I've ever said this on the air before or not, but I think Trump, as a lifelong New York liberal, thought there are a whole bunch of religious dumb people out there, that if I could harness those millions of people, that would be a very powerful political block. Throw in a little bit of racist. He believes I'm small town, rural, religious. He thinks people like me and my family are dumb people that he can manipulate into following him. That's what I think his political idea was. Do I prefer him to everybody he's run against? Yes, by far. Not even close. Thank God. I mean, thank God he beat Kamala Harris.

[Joe Getty]

Right? I mean, so.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, you know, in terms of choosing one or the other. But I think he has misled lots and lots and lots of people to think he cares about what they care about. No, I don't think he's in the least bit religious. I believe the thing. From which book was it? Was it a Bob Woodward book where

[Joe Getty]

he interviewed Was it a Bob Woodward

[Jack Armstrong]

book where he had interviewed Mike Pence or Mike Pence's book? What? But after Trump lost that second election and Mike Pence went in there and is after the January 6th and all this was Trump's last day before he left, before Biden came in and Pence said, I'll pray for you, sir. And Trump said, don't bother because that's the way he is. He doesn't believe in that sort of stuff. That's my opinion.

[Joe Getty]

I am going to cede the floor To Steve, who writes, here's a Christian perspective. I'm a Christian, inerrant word, six day creation, et cetera, and voted for Trump three times. My perspective is the same as the brilliant theologian Francis Schaefer, who wrote back in the late 1970s about the United States, quote, often we must not vote for a man, but against a man. In a post Christian world, you have to vote against a man or woman who is going to take you the fastest toward the loss of economic freedoms. His final point was that the loss of these freedoms would then also include the loss of sharing the gospel to the world. Steve writes, not once did I believe Trump was a Christian or that he would save Christianity. Trump is part 90s Democrat, part showman, part buffoon, more than conservative most of the time. But I felt I had to vote against Hillary, Biden or Harris to slow the decline of our country, not to get into what about ism. But while I hate the blasphemy from Trump, I also hate Democrat politicians who regularly walk into black churches and preach a false doctrine wrapped in Democratic policies of God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Rather than the Gospel. I'll pray for Trump and his administration, but I will never worship him or what they may or may not do to help save Christianity. Oh, and save. Brilliantly said. Thanks, buddy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's really good. And Trump has been great for religious liberty, particularly Christian religious liberty. He's been fantastic for that. And I don't care. What. I don't have much respect for politicians in general unless, like, I know them personally really well. I assume they're all just doing whatever they got to do to stay in office.

[Joe Getty]

For the most part, everybody's a grifter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. But he's been great for lots of things that I care about.

[Joe Getty]

Mm. Yeah. So there we have it. I. And there it ends. I have much bigger things to worry about.

[Jack Armstrong]

I imagine he has a hard time even wrapping his head around being offended by the picture that he put out.

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[Jack Armstrong]

topic, and maybe it's from being in this business, maybe I've gotten cynical, more cynical than the average person out there. I've never quite understood why you have to declare politicians God of all people, like all good or all bad. I'm a case by case basis on all these things and I just, you know, I prefer policies I like to policies I don't like.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Pretty much the end of it. That's pretty much the end of the discussion. I don't need to be in love with them or whatever, Right.

[Joe Getty]

It's like you're going into an alley fight and then you see the guy you're gonna fight has got a big nasty bad guy with him and you're like, holy crap, I need a big nasty bad guy. So you hire one for a little bit. That's what a politician is, to win the policy fight to make things less bad. Sometimes you end up with a good person or an admirable person. I can name a few. But yeah, the whole. But it's, it's a tribal thing too. It get back, it gets back to what we've talked about many times, the tribal signaling deal where you've got to show your tribe, I'm part of you, I'm with you. And if you were to, you know, recognize ambivalence about Trump like we do every day, for instance, you're not a good tribal member because the other tribe's trying to attack you. So you got to be, you gotta have, you know, solidity, you've gotta have loyalty. Well, that's not what we do around here. We just try to call them as we see him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, like I said, thank God he beat Kamala Harris, but oh my God, that would've been a national and perhaps global blanking nightmare. Any thoughts on any thoughts on any of this stuff we just said? Text line 415295 KFT

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Very latest thinking on the negotiations between the United States and Iran, the blockade and how that's going. And there's. It's still on the table that, you know, we just are right back at war with 50, 000 troops in the area and everything else. So that could happen at any moment. We'll have the latest coming up between now and then.

[Joe Getty]

Some miscellaneous, including this sent along by alert listener Mike in Missouri. Chat GPT has its blasphemy standards. Speaking of blasphemy, let's see. He or somebody he knows did something and then it said awesome. Now please create an image of Donald Trump as the prophet Muhammad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and a friend of mine just sent me that same text. At least Christianity is a religion where you have a discussion about this and condemn it as opposed to vow to

[Joe Getty]

kill the person and carve out their eyeball 30 years later or whatever. And ChatGPT says I can't create images depicting the prophet Muhammad even in stylized or altered way. If you'd like, I can still make something creative with Donald Trump, for example, placing him in a historical setting, a biblical scene, or symbolic artwork. Just tell me the direction you want. Okay. Wow. So the religion that will kill you for it gets protected on ChatGPT. That which will forgive you and pray for you. Make all the fun of them you want.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's. That's a weird catch 22 in that whole thing.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I've got a ton on this topic. Just occurred to me. Oh yeah, here you go here in similar fashion. And God, I'm going to get too fired up. Calm down, Joe. Calm down, Joe. In Finland, promoting biblical views against transgenderism, for instance, or homosexuality is illegal because it insults those people. And I'm not saying I necessarily agree with anything or interpret the Bible in the same way as anybody or don't is the same way. In the same way. But if you were to quote the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:32 2 about sex with other men, you will be breaking the law in Finland. Now in A similar story that I'm jumping around now and I would love to do this in full and bring the full thunder, but I won't. Australia just passed a law protecting Muslims rights. Now in Australia, like in Britain, like in Finland, if you say anything insulting about Islam, you have broken the law. You will be fined, you will be jailed, you will have your social media taken down, blah, blah, blah. But they're permitting Muslims to say horrible things about Jews because that's in their religion. So that is protected. Yeah, I know. Wow. I know it makes me insane. It motivates me to come in for work, but it makes me, wow, sane. I was seeing the Western world doing what we're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, everything doesn't have to go back to my Springsteen concert last night, but I was talking to my kids about free speech and everything last night and how, you know, it's pretty amazing. We live somewhere where a guy can get up on stage in front of 20,000 people and say bad things about the president. And it's fine because you can get up there and say good things about the president or this or that or whatever in the United States. And it works better than the other way by a lot.

[Joe Getty]

And in fact, if there are people in good conscience there who hate what Bruce is saying and somebody went, they said they should shut him up or the government, they would defend his right to speak his nonsense to the death, as they say. Yeah, let's see, what else do we have? Oh, here's some great commentary from the Free Beacon about the New York Times. Really enjoying an impressive hot streak lately. It's practically a parody of itself at this point. Here are a few examples that the New York Times has published lately. They published an article about why declining birth rates are a good thing that highlighted several letters from readers who enthusiastically agreed. One gentleman from Montreal argued that having fewer kids or none at all was a responsible choice amid the twin crises of climate change and rapacious capitalism. They lamented the downfall of the quiet restaurant worker who rammed his truck into that Jewish preschool in Michigan after the would be terrorist lost family members in an Israeli strike in Lebanon. You remember that one? The Times eventually, when they were forced to confirm that one of those family members at least was a commander of Hezbollah. Yes, they issued a correction after referring to NATO as the North American Treaty Organization. Indeed, they sarcastically observed, how do you have the North American Treaty Organization without America not knowing it was the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? Which prompt many to recall the 2016 Times profile in which former Obama guru Ben Rhodes I remember this bragged about manipulating journalists who, quote, literally know nothing. Ben Rhodes, Democrat there's more. They interviewed university yes. Oh, that was Michael in Meyer. They interviewed university grads who fled abroad to avoid paying their student loans, including a 37 year old who'd borrowed $65,000 to get a master's degree in historic preservation before moving to Prague in defaulting because the $60 per month repayment was too, quote, psychologically burdensome.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my oh my God. A new level of soft.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I I didn't even get into the 40 plus women throwing wedding themed blowouts to celebrate turning 40 and being single and then a new musical or something. Oh, a new novel about women who have vegetables instead of men. Yeah, and is oh my golly. I wish we had time for it. It's a treat.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do want to hear that later. I I got hung up on the term rapacious capitalism. I want to address that at some point. What, as opposed to what economic system that you think is better? I know Armstrong and Getty

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[Jack Armstrong]

As Joe was telling us before we get back to what's the latest going on with Iran?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I wanted to wrap up the discussion of the New York Times recent greatest hits, which include the Times chief film critic. A five time Pulitzer finalist with a PhD in cinema studies, he gave a thumbs down review to Project Hail Mary, one of the most successful and universally beloved films in recent memory. It was a bummer, this expert wrote, not because the film was too sad, but because it wasn't despairing enough about the human generated environmental catastrophe we're facing. By the way, 94% on the tomato meter, 96% on the popcorn meter for that movie panned it because it wasn't angry enough about climate change. Wow. That review pairs nicely with a book review the Times published this week. I'm gonna have to tap dance. There's some fancy words here, which makes most of it readable, but they published this week extolling the virtues of a Polish novel about a sect of pagan tree huggers, to put it mildly, who aim to topple the patriarchy by indulging in horticultural debauchery of the penetrat variety. The reviewer praised the novel's literary translator for devising, quote, an astonishing array of ways to describe a vagine end quote, and commends the author for crafting a worthwhile parable on the necessity of radicalism. The old gray lady is wearing a thong in six inch heels and parading around Times Square. Oh my lord, these are odd times.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I was reading a Mark Calperin piece or what I guess watching in one of his videos the other day, complaining about people who are still on cable news channels or Sunday morning shows. Or we were saying we still don't know why we went to war with Iran as being Come on, let's, let's be a little more intellectually honest here. We went to war with Iran to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon. That's why Trump said this yesterday.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Iran will not have a nuclear weapon, and we agreed to a lot of things, but they didn't agree to that. And I think they will agree to it. I'm almost sure of it. In fact, I am sure of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

So a lot of critics of Trump believe it was wrong for him to pull out of the jcpoa, which is a bunch of letters for an agreement we had with Iran under the Obama administration that I remember at the time. My favorite pundits, even the ones that lead Obama, said this could be great, but this could be horrible. It depends on we, we, we gave Iran a whole bunch of money, hundred billion dollars, which might have been the money that financed October 7th and Hamas's attack on Israel, for instance, to agree to not enrich uranium anymore. They did not allow any time anywhere inspections, though, and the Obama administration agreed to that. They did allow pretty strict inspections on their two main facilities, but not anywhere else in the country. And so you're just supposed to believe that they weren't interesting uranium anywhere else. So I did kind of a deep dive on this the other day because I'd forgotten about all this. The controversy centered around the Turkuzabad warehouse. In 2018, Israel shared intelligence with the IAEA indicating that the warehouse in Tehran's one particular district of Tehran contained nuclear related equipment and material. And as we all know, Israel has unbelievable intelligence gathering abilities. And they said, hey, we know that Iran is refining uranium over there and you need to do something about it. Iran, under the agreement that the JCPOA was, could stall by as many as 24 days before they let inspectors in. 24 days they had to move trucks around to clean things up, to do whatever they wanted to do before they allowed the inspector in. And so inspectors got in and they did find trace elements of uranium. But Iran said, well that was from many, many years ago before we struck this deal. This is not new. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

What possible rationale could there be for agreeing to 24 days of wait? Yeah, we're cleaning up inside, you know, put an oily air laundry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that was, that was the complaint critics have and I think a really, really good complaint. What possible rationale? Well, the, the rationale was they won't agree to anywhere anytime inspections. Well then you don't make a deal. But that's that whole everybody's a good guy, there aren't actually bad people view that some, mostly people on the left have.

[Joe Getty]

I guess I will convince them to agree with my superior intellect, says Barack

[Jack Armstrong]

Obama, or that we gave them so much money, hundred billion dollars, that they wouldn't attempt to get a weapon. And that's why I'd love to let

[Joe Getty]

you inspect, but I'm in the shower. Can you come back in three and a half weeks?

[Jack Armstrong]

And I just wanted to throw that out there just in case. If you're following this story, you regularly hear, you know, the Obama deal was working and Trump ended it and okay, it was not working that well. There are a couple of examples of this where we wanted to do an inspection, then they delayed for damn near a month and they got to clean it all up or move stuff around before anybody got. Then who knows what they were actually up to at the time. It's, it's just, it's childish. It's a childlike, it's childlike to make an agreement like that, like Mike. So your kid is doing drugs or smoking weed or whatever you want it to be, that you're trying to catch him and you make an agreement with him. But he says, I'll, I'll only agree to this if I am given a three week warning before you search my room. Okay, Parent, I'm going to say, okay, you have three weeks before I'll search your room. And then you go in the room after three weeks and, and lo and behold, you couldn't find any weed.

[Joe Getty]

It's not even laughable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, I know.

[Joe Getty]

Beyond laughable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. That's what the JCPOA was. Whenever you hear it referenced, that's what the agreement was. What?

[Joe Getty]

God, there's so much dishonesty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Obama said we could get all the clips. Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. Biden said Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. Kamala said it, Bush said it. It. Nobody was actually going to do anything though right now Trump's done something. How this is going to turn out, don't know. Will we look back on this years from now and wish that we had handled it differently? Possibly. I don't know. It's as Joe's been saying since the start of today. It's clearly too early to tell.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yep. It's out of fashion though.

[Jack Armstrong]

So one more thing. We have an ad. Is that right, Michael? So what you say? I couldn't tell what you said.

[Joe Getty]

We do and I can't wait. I am looking forward to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll give you an example of, because I think we gave an example earlier of how things could turn out great. The regime falls, the people take back their country, they're a friendly country that has a prosperous economy and a well educated population and becomes friends with the Middle east and blah, blah. All that could happen. I've got the example of a really bad thing happening that could happen right after this.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong so I won't belabor this, because if it happens, we'll have plenty of time to talk about it. But this is from Open Source Intelligence, which is a really good website slash Twitter feed. China has increased coercive deterrence measures against US Aligned nations, specifically the Philippines in the region. And US Overflight permissions would almost certainly draw ire from China right now if the Philippines allowed us to fly, you know, using their space, possibly inviting Chinese coercive measures such as, you know, the bump in their boats and, and what do you call that when you go on a boat? Boarding, I guess. Boarding, boarding work. The operational benefits of notification only overflight rights for the US Military aircraft over the strategic air and maritime corridor would directly stop any worst response to a Taiwan invasion and other potential Chinese aggression in the Indo Pacific. So they're laying the groundwork for we can't fly planes of the Philippines, which we would have to do to help them help Taiwan over the weekend. The opposition leader of Taiwan, currently the leader of Taiwan, is, is pretty anti China taking over the country. But the opposition leader was really friendly with China and China invited them to come over and that opposition leader is coming over and China's making noises with that person. So who knows what China's up to right now. A lot of us have wondered since Russia went into Ukraine and certainly now that we're in Iran, if I'm China, I don't know why I wouldn't think now's the time.

[Joe Getty]

US Is pretty busy and they're super strategic. So even if you're just talking about the Straits of Hormuz, they're going, I believe, to put the squeeze on Iran because this is hurting their economy. But they're also always thinking, all right, how do we also put the squeeze on the United States so we can push them both toward the outcome that we want? And this could well be, it could be Taiwan related, or it might be straight to Hormuz related, but certainly not

[Jack Armstrong]

crazy to think you could look back on this years from now and say, oh, the United States went to war with Iran. That's when China took Taiwan and the United States was too, too busy to do anything about it. So that's how that happened.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I still think that's unlikely, but it could. I hope I will get on. I will manfully come to the microphone and say, I was wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, I hope you're right. I, I don't want any of this stuff to happen anyway. That's enough of that. Enough scaring everybody. Nobody wants to live their life scared. I don't.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would agree. You're bringing me down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

You know I said we could get into this. I'm not sure I'm in the mood. But Gerard Baker, who mostly writes for Wall Street Journal, editor at large, says for now at least, the Iran war seems to be failing. If you're winning, you don't typically threaten to destroy a civilization or look for scapegoats. I just think it's Trump being Trump, but we can talk about that maybe next hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of Trump being Trump, we kind of laid out earlier with the chump trunk chump. The Trump Jesus. Picture what we thought of that whole thing and what that was and wanted. Responses. We got a lot of responses on the text line that you might find interesting. Let's do it. Yeah, so we can get to that.

[Joe Getty]

Coming up next, Armstrong and Getty

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[Jack Armstrong]

I read this text because I've always been highly amused by this personality. I think when I was younger I was angered by this personality. But I'm now highly amused by this personality who had heard me going on and on about my glowing review of Bruce Springsteen last night and how awesome it was. And it was freaking amazing. I saw Bruce Springsteen years ago. Worst concert I've ever been to. I was bored out of my mind. So was my friend.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. That settles it.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The something you like I don't prefer, so I've got to tell you how much it sucks. Personality. I just. I just. I never understood that. What would be a concert that I wouldn't enjoy past the age of 14?

[Joe Getty]

It's difficult to understand Katy Perry.

[Jack Armstrong]

I probably wouldn't enjoy the Katy Perry. Actually I would. I like so much music, it'd be pretty hard for me to hate. I don't know if I could do an hour and a half of a lot of people. But Springsteen was three and a half. But, but say Katy Perry. You tell me how much you love the Katy Perry's concert. I wouldn't have a. I can't even imagine wanting to say a word about. I saw her and it sucked. I mean what, what is that tendency that some people have? Is it like. It's, it's, it was what people did before trolling.

[Joe Getty]

I guess. I, I don't know. I, I can't even work up.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just find it. You. I, I, well, one of the reasons I think about it is I don't, I, I tell my kids not to be that kind of person. Nobody likes that kind of person.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just, it's just an odd thing. And, and not even in a, like, different people have different. Like if you said I love fried chicken, I hate fried chicken.

[Joe Getty]

Fried chicken trash.

[Jack Armstrong]

What, what is the point?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it shows lack of like self awareness or. I don't. If, if I were to start into my indictment, it would, it might hurt too many feelings. So.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh wow. I just, I just find it amusing and kind of sad, I guess. Yes, Michael, I love fried chicken. But isn't it exactly the same thing? It's just like a slightly more complicated version of that. If I were to come into the room and say, man, I love fried chicken, fried chicken sucks garbage.

[Joe Getty]

I think when you're a teenager before maturing into an adult, that whole. Well, you like that, Ben, that band sucks. Is. It's fine. That's high school lunch table talk. But of course, high school kids don't talk to each other anymore. They stare at their phones. But you know what I mean. Generally people grow into adulthood, but not all.

[Jack Armstrong]

More hate this. On the subject of Trump and we were talking earlier about that picture that he posted where looks like he's Jesus healing somebody, but he, he thought he was being a doctor. Trump says. Anyway, you guys are absolutely clueless on Trump on so many levels and you advertise your shocking ignorance voluntarily. I don't know which direction that person is. If you could text back like ignorance, like he's worse than we think or better than we think. Trump needs to run those postings by his wife first. Melania is a Catholic. Maybe she would pick up on it. That that's not a bad idea. Unclenched people. Trump didn't Create it. It was sent to him and he posted it. None of us has a perfect walk with Christ, but God put him in that position. God put Trump in that position, and hopefully he will truly find his relationship with Christ before his time is up. There you go.

[Joe Getty]

That's lovely.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a very. You got. You guys are just trying.

[Joe Getty]

I think the American electorate put him in that position because Kamala was the alternative. But you and I can differ. That's fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fried chicken sucks. Who could eat that ass? You guys just are just trying to maintain your tribal ties, like chimps. You'll have to refer to an earlier story.

[Joe Getty]

Well played on the show. Well played in hour one.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think Donald Trump is a secular humanist at his core, and I'm not sure he ever even claimed to be a Christian. I don't know has.

[Joe Getty]

He was confirmed as a teenager. But, you know, not everybody who goes through the, you know, child, child, period and adolescent period religious stuff is actually quote, unquote religious or hangs on to it. But. But again, this is not really. I don't care that much.

[Jack Armstrong]

A lot of people do.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you're trying to tell me because Trump is an atheist, he doesn't know what a doctor looks like. I think what you're saying is he doesn't know what common Jesus pictures look like.

[Joe Getty]

Like, that's what I was saying. Yeah, I get the. The textures point, though. I've never seen a doctor that looks like that portrayed in kind of a. Where's the white lab clo. Lab coat and the stethoscope right now? You're not wrong, my friend. You're not wrong. But I also believe that Trump saw, you know, himself healing someone, apparently, and thought, oh, I must be a doctor. It's because, again, religious icons are completely foreign.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's the text. And this is what Mark Halpern was writing yesterday, this text. Trump did some trolling with that pick, for sure. That was Mark Halpern's take in his newsletter. People still don't get Trump's game of just stirring s up just so he's the story. That's what he does. And he's been doing it for 15 years now. Yeah, he. He does. He actually believes that old thing of, you know, there's no such thing as a bad headline as long as they spell your name right. He seems to live that and has worked for him a lot of his life.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't care if it's a story that makes me look like a creep who cheated on my wife or whatever. And I'm on the COVID of People magazine. I'm on the COVID of People magazine and I think he runs being president the same way as he ran his personal life back then.

[Joe Getty]

My final thought about the trolls and I don't know, maybe y' all find this helpful in your personal life and maybe it's partly because I've done this for a long time, but there's like a long term application process before I care about your opinion at all. Like in my real life, if I don't know you for a long time and respect you, I just don't care because everybody has an opinion and there's like a multi year process before I could ever be like offended or hurt that you think my opinion sucks. It's all just ideas. We kick them around sometimes you learn

[Jack Armstrong]

something, but at its root when people do that, is it because they're unhappy that someone else is happy?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a big part of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

They don't like somebody else liking a concert or fried chicken or whatever. Armstrong and Getty

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